1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Last week I talked about the slew of articles about 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: how women are staying single. The tone is very much 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: you go girl, with quotes on how happy they are 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: and what they're doing instead of getting married and having families. 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: They're traveling, they're building businesses or climbing in their careers. 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: They're going to bed at eight pm snuggling their cat 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: because that's what they want to do and no one 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: is there to stop them. I've said on this show before, 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: but all of that, even the early bedtime and the cat, 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: could be better and easier in a good relationship. I 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: was a big traveler even before I started dating my husband, 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: but having someone to travel with and combine resources, you know, 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: whether that means money or planning or spending the dull 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: parts of traveling, like they getting their part together. It's 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: better with someone you're into. And I've talked about how 17 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: my career took off when I got married. I was 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: able to take chances and opportunities that I couldn't take 19 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: when I was on my own, and that's a frequently 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: missed angle of the whole career or family non debate, 21 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: and I say non debate. I know people who listen 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: to the show a lot know that I think this 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: because I don't actually believe that anyone is choosing one. 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 2: Or the other. 25 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: As I've said, I think people lean into their career 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: more when they haven't met someone to be with, and 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 1: then it becomes they've quote chosen career over a spouse, 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: when really the choice was kind of made for them. 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: One of the stats I shared last week is the 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: share of women age eighteen to forty foorse single that 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: is neither married nor cohabitating with a partner was fifty 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: one point four percent in twenty twenty three, according to 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: an analysis of census data by the Aspen Economic Strategy Group, 34 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,279 Speaker 1: and that numbers up from forty one point eight percent 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: in two thousand. Now, I tried find a similar stat 36 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: for men to see what are men up to? And 37 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: I came across this one from twenty twenty three that 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: I had seen before, and I always find amusing Among 39 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: those eighteen to twenty nine years of age, sixty three 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: percent of men versus thirty four percent of women consider 41 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: themselves single. And I remember when this stat came out 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of people were confused, How could it 43 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: be that sixty three percent of men are single but 44 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: only thirty four percent of women are. But anyone familiar 45 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: with the dating world knows exactly how. A woman goes 46 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: on four dates with a guy and considers him her boyfriend. 47 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: A man goes on those same four dates and continues 48 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: dating other people until they specifically have the talk about 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: whether they're going to be exclusive. The man generally assumes 50 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: they will not be. It's funny because lately I've seen 51 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: videos of young people in other countries marveling kind of 52 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: mocking Americans about the whole talk thing. Apparently, when you 53 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: go on some dates in France or Italy, you're together 54 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: and that's it. Of course, those countries are also known 55 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 1: for kind of loose standards of monogamy, especially for the men. 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: So while I agree that needing to have that exclusivity 57 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: talk is silly, at least American couples know where they stand. 58 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: So I looked, and I looked, and it doesn't seem 59 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: that men are getting the same glowy. He just wants 60 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: to stay single and hang out with his friends, soft 61 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: pieces that single women do. That's a tell to me 62 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 1: that women are being lied to. A number of years ago, 63 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: my daughter started noticing that there were always shirts for 64 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: sale that said stuff like girls Rule and girls run 65 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: the world, and it became obvious to her that boys 66 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: didn't have similar clothing because the clothing aimed at girls 67 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: was a lie, or if not a lie, then maybe 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: a fib to them up. And that's what's happening now 69 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: with these articles about amazing singlehood that are only aimed 70 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: at women. They're being lied to, maybe to make them 71 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: feel better, but it's a lie. 72 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: Nevertheless. 73 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: Recent show guest Abigail Schreyer had a really good piece 74 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,559 Speaker 1: on romantic comedies and love in general in the Free 75 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: Press a few days ago. I'm going to read kind 76 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: of a longer clip because I really enjoyed it. She writes, quote, 77 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: every story involves daring, chance, and above all serendipity. Love, 78 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 1: we are reminded again and again, is ultimately an act 79 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: of surrender, Which is perhaps why our Bye with one 80 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: click era struggles when it comes to romance, why it's 81 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: technological wizardry invariably comes up short. We shop for mats 82 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: online like we shop for clothing, determined to call up 83 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: precisely and exclusively what we've already decided will please us. 84 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: But real love can't be prime delivered like toilet paper. 85 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: The precondition for romance, and especially of marriage, is our 86 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: willingness to move beyond consumption, to shift our focus from 87 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: I need a foodie who loves rock climbing to imagining 88 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: what you might give to another and create together. Sally, 89 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: and she's talking about when Harry met Sally would never 90 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: have matched with Harry on hinge. Height alone would likely 91 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: have preweeded him. He of slim build and average looks 92 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: nothing like the boyfriend who couldn't commit to marrying her tall, agreeable, blonde, 93 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: newcast handsome Joe. But rom coms exist to remind us 94 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 1: that we don't know everything, not even about what we need, 95 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: and that intimacy, like humor, involves surprise, which also means 96 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: we must be open to finding someone who isn't simply 97 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: a reflection of ourselves. End quote. I love that, and 98 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: that's what women and men need to be told. Love 99 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: is amazing and you should want. 100 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 3: To find it. 101 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: You can still travel and girl boss and have a cat, 102 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: and all of that will be better with someone. Thanks 103 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: for listening. Coming up, my interview with Logan Lefkoff. But first, 104 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: after more than a year of war, terror and pain 105 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: in Israel, the need for security essentials and support for 106 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: first responders is still critical. Even in times of ceasefire. 107 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: Israel must be prepared for the next attack, wherever it 108 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: may come from. 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That's one word support 118 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: IFCJ dot org or call eight eight eight for eight 119 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: eight IFCJ that's eight eight eight for eight eight if 120 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: CJ eight eight eight four eight eight four three two five. 121 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 4: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 122 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 4: guest today is Logan Lefkoff, a sexuality educator and host 123 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 4: of a show called The Sexy Side of Zionism on 124 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 4: Izzy Stream Israel TV. 125 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: Hi Logan, so nice to have you on. 126 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 5: Hi Carol, It's so nice to see you sort of 127 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 5: in person. 128 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's sort of in person. We've never met in person. 129 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 4: But we have to rectify that, I think soon. But 130 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 4: I have to start off with what is a sexuality educator? 131 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: And does everyone need one? Personally? 132 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 5: I mean, yes, obviously right guarded in this field. I 133 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 5: was a fifteen year old peer HIV and AIDS educator. 134 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 5: I came of age, you know, I grew up on 135 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 5: Long Island at a time when HIV was being talked 136 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 5: about as a virus that didn't discriminate, and so for 137 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 5: whatever reason, my parents became super involved in HIV and 138 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 5: AIDS awareness and fundraising, even though we had no like real. 139 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 6: Personal connection, right. 140 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 5: And I came home after school one day and there 141 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 5: were condoms and bananas on my dinner table, and my 142 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 5: parents said, Okay, next week you go to become a 143 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 5: peer educator and to teach others, and I okay. And 144 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 5: what I learned was that I was really good at 145 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 5: talking about things that made other people uncomfortable. 146 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: And I wound skill. 147 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 6: That's a real skill, Yeah, thank you. I mean, I 148 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 6: don't know. 149 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 5: I guess I was just mauthy enough and had a 150 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 5: big enough ego to think like I could do anything 151 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 5: like that didn't seem to stop that line of thinking, 152 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 5: so I wound up. I really I went to college 153 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 5: thinking I was going to be a lawyer. I went 154 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 5: to the University of Pennsylvania, which you know, I'm so 155 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 5: proud of these, so proud. And I found myself watching 156 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 5: my friends and I like smart and sophisticated women making 157 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 5: eight shittiest decisions about sex. And it wasn't like the 158 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 5: no protection question like issue. 159 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 6: It was no equity. 160 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 5: We didn't know how to speak up for ourselves, we 161 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 5: didn't understand our own bodies. And I just thought there 162 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 5: has to be a better way. And I called my 163 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 5: parents and said, I'm not I'm not going to law school. 164 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 5: I'm going to get my master's and then eventually a 165 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 5: PhD in this field that no one knew existed. 166 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 6: Friend, what are you going. 167 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: To do with it? 168 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 6: I said, I don't know, I don't know, but I'm 169 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 6: going to do something. 170 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 5: And so really, nowadays, or at least for the last 171 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 5: you know, three decades. I design and implement sex SED 172 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 5: programs and a lot of schools. I've done a lot 173 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 5: of consulting with organizations. I did a lot of work 174 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 5: in the media in this space of sexuality and healthy relationships. 175 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 5: And now I don't I don't know what I do, 176 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 5: but clearly difficult conversations is right wheelhouse. 177 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 4: So it's interesting because normally, if you call your parents 178 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 4: and say, I'm really into sex and I'm going to 179 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: pursue this as as a career path, I don't know, 180 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 4: a lot of parents might not be happy with that. 181 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 4: But your parents seem like they almost, like, you know, 182 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 4: kind of led you in that direction. 183 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 5: I think my parents were. They were definitely blindsided that 184 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 5: this was going to work. 185 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 4: Okay, I mean they didn't know the bananas and the 186 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 4: condoms that not. 187 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 5: Like, no, I just just not like this what we 188 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 5: are in the middle of, like a global health crisis. 189 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 6: And so we're going to do our part in our 190 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 6: own that's really nice, Yeah, which amazing. It was. 191 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 5: It was definitely amazing. And I also think that my 192 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 5: parents knew, no still, that the person I am today, 193 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 5: for all the good and sometimes not good, it's very 194 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 5: much a result of being raised to have a voice 195 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 5: and to use it and to be fearless. And so 196 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 5: I'm sure there are times they think what did we do? 197 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 5: And then also they're very proud to. 198 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: What do people misunderstand about sex? 199 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 5: Everything they misunderstart at the beginning, tell us everything. So 200 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 5: I think that what most people misunderstand is that sexuality 201 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 5: is not like a switch that gets flipped on at 202 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 5: some magical time. 203 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 6: And shut off at a magical time. 204 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 5: That you know, we have a sexuality from birth to death. 205 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 5: It's made up of all of the things that make 206 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 5: us who we are. So you know, sure our you know, 207 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 5: anatomy and gender, the way we express ourselves, the roles 208 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 5: we play in relationships, who were attracted to what we 209 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 5: like to do, and we express that differently throughout our 210 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 5: throughout our lives. Uh, And that there is I think 211 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 5: the biggest issue becomes in a world where we are 212 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 5: so consumed with with what it means to be normal, 213 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 5: to realize that there is no one way to be 214 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 5: normal when it comes to your sexuality. I think fear 215 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 5: of being normal prevents us from feeling fulfilled, whether that's 216 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 5: emotionally or sexually, or or intellectually. 217 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 2: Even so, where does Zionism come in. What's the sexy 218 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: side of Zionism? 219 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: How do they how do they intersect? 220 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 4: It's it's really I mean, I think Zionism sexy, but 221 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 4: I don't feel like that's necessarily the popular opinion. 222 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 5: Apparently not. But I too, find find it very sexy. 223 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 5: So I am a very, very proud Zionist. I am 224 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 5: the granddaughter and great daughter of great granddaughter of American 225 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 5: Zionist leaders. The sense of connection to Israel, to our story, 226 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 5: to self determination was a huge part of who I 227 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 5: was throughout my life, and I would say that, you know, 228 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 5: anytime someone like offensively says you should stick to talking 229 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 5: about sex, my answer is always my Zionist and Jewish 230 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 5: values in form everything I do in my professional life. 231 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 5: I can't separate them. So, you know, as in the 232 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 5: last couple of years, and I'm sorry, I don't want 233 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 5: this to be long winded, but it might be, so 234 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 5: I have to tell us go ahead, Yeah, obviously, you know, 235 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 5: in the last you know, I mean decade, sure, but 236 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 5: in the last five years, spaces that have been historically progressive, 237 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 5: mainly my own field, have let's just say, turned out 238 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 5: to be reaching anti Semits. And so what I decided 239 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 5: to do years ago was just be unapologetically Zionist. And 240 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 5: it wasn't like I ever hit that part of who 241 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 5: I was, but I didn't realize I had to lead 242 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 5: with it. And so I've made my platform very much 243 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 5: unapologetically Jewish, unapologetically Zionist, and you know, pro Israel as 244 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 5: if by the way, there, I've never heard of any 245 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 5: other place where you're like pro We're anties. 246 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 4: Right, who's pro France or like pro Italy? You know 247 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 4: it just it makes no sense. 248 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, ridiculous. 249 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 5: And the sexy side of Zionism came about to be honest, 250 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 5: because my media life, my TV life, kind of took 251 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 5: a well died died in the last couple of years, 252 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 5: right around the time I started speaking out very publicly 253 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 5: about Israel. 254 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 6: I don't you know, it might be a chicken red question, 255 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 6: It might be a very big coincidence. I don't know. 256 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 6: But this, this space that I love to play in, 257 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 6: was not really calling me anymore. 258 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 5: And I had an opportunity to meet the CEO of 259 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 5: Izzy Stream Israel TV Nazi Dinar, and he said, do you. 260 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 6: Want to do something on TV again? And I said yes, And. 261 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 5: He said, you want to like talk about what you 262 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 5: love and Israel. I'm like yes, And so we came 263 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 5: up with the sexy side of Zionism. It's been amazing 264 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 5: because yeh, scientism is sexy, right, As some of my 265 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 5: guests have said, moral clarity is sexy, right. Being able 266 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 5: to stand up for yourself, to be empowered by your 267 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 5: voice and your story. 268 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 6: Is knowing who you are. Yeah, resilience is sexy. So yeah, 269 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 6: there seems to be a very nice connection. 270 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: So what are the episodes like? 271 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 5: So the episodes are basically a conversation which. 272 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 6: Always starts off with why is Zionism sexy? 273 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 5: You know? 274 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 6: We start with, like to use the sex term, the 275 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 6: money shot first that we established okay, start. 276 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 5: And then people get to tell their own story, their 277 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 5: own journey, not just about zioni is, but how they 278 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 5: found their voice, how they got to where they are. 279 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 5: And then the part that I really really love is 280 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 5: every I get everyone's hot takes on Israel. So everything 281 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 5: from your favorite Hebrew word, do your favorite you know music, 282 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 5: to your favorite place in Israel to what's the best 283 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 5: thing about israelis were the one thing that everyone should 284 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 5: know about Israel, and for the people who have never been, 285 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 5: or the people who haven't been in a long time, 286 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 5: it's a way to bring them in and to remind 287 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 5: people that there is a world beyond this absurd like 288 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 5: sided lens that we we see every day. 289 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 6: So it's been a. 290 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 3: Very sexy place. 291 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 4: Everybody looks really good, and it's just it's you know, 292 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 4: warm weather and the beach and it's it's it's really 293 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 4: a wonderful, wonderful place. 294 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 6: So, Carol, I have to I would say of the. 295 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 5: Twelve interviews that are that are basically in the Canton, 296 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 5: ninety percent of maybe one hundred percent. Everyone says, I 297 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 5: don't know if I can see this, it's reelis are 298 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 5: just really hot. Yeah, I said, don't be ashamed. Everyone 299 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 5: says that. 300 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 6: And it's not untrue. 301 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: It's one interesting We're going to take a quick break 302 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: and be right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. So 303 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: I've written about sex in my life. 304 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 4: I mean, you know my columns at the Post, I've 305 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 4: written about all kinds of you know, social things, friendship 306 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 4: and marriage. 307 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 3: And when I've. 308 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 4: Written about sex, I remember I had one article and 309 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 4: this was a big one for me. 310 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 2: But it was because I got a lot of it 311 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: was passed around a lot. Obviously, anything sexu realated is 312 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: always going to be kind of popular. 313 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 4: But my argument was that sex is the most important 314 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 4: part of a relationship, and I've done monologues on this 315 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 4: show about that also, and people hate that because they're like, no, 316 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 4: what about honesty, what about connection? What about I'm not 317 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 4: saying it's the only important part of a. 318 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: Relationship, that's crazy. 319 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 3: Why would I say that. I'm saying it's. 320 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 4: The most important part of a relationship because it's what 321 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 4: separates friendship from relationship. 322 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 2: Is that generally your take as well? Or are you 323 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: going to argue with me? 324 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 6: No, I'm not going to no argument. 325 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: Let's go yeah, yeah. 326 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 5: Have you seen me online? I love to argue. It's 327 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 5: my favorite job. I would say this that I think 328 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 5: the first thing we everyone needs to establish was what 329 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 5: kind of relationship that they want throughout their lives, Like 330 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 5: what is important? However, physical intimacy and connection to a 331 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 5: partner beyond just friendship is important. Then yes, of course, 332 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 5: sexual intimacy and pleasure and good communication so that everyone 333 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 5: gets out of sex what they want is critically important. 334 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 5: That being said, great sex cannot sustain a crappy relationship, 335 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 5: and the law not just about sex, but sex. If 336 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 5: it's not good, if there's not a connection, then it 337 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 5: becomes an overwhelmingly big part of your relationship. 338 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 4: So the reverse of that for me is, could crappy 339 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 4: sex be okay? Can you live with that in a 340 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 4: great relationship? And I think no, I don't know. I 341 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 4: think that then you have a really great friendship and 342 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 4: you know, not the relationship part. 343 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 6: But I don't think you are wrong. I think that 344 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 6: that pleasure. 345 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 2: Are you going become a sex therapist because I'll do it? 346 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 6: I mean, please, please, We. 347 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 5: Need honestly, we need, we need smart, some more ethical 348 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 5: people in our field these days. 349 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 6: So the more the merrier. 350 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 5: I do think that it is really hard to be 351 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 5: in a relationship where there is bad sexual and physical 352 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 5: and maybe not in the beginning like of someone's relationship 353 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 5: trajectory where maybe they're deciding on kids and there's a 354 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 5: lot of other stressors, but at some point when everyone 355 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 5: unloads the baggage of like what it means to live 356 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 5: a fairy tale life whatever bs that means, the sexport 357 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 5: kicks in and people remember, oh wait, I enjoy that. 358 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's good. 359 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 5: And this is important to need this, and so if 360 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 5: I'm not getting it, then we need to figure out 361 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 5: how to kind of make all parties fulfilled. 362 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, what was the plan? B if you didn't go 363 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 4: into this. 364 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: Field law school? I guess I have a particular like brand. 365 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 6: No, I think that might be a lie. 366 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 5: I didn't and maybe this is maybe this is my 367 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 5: m O, which might be a problem. 368 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 6: I don't really ever have a plan B. I just 369 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 6: assume the plan it's no work, and and I run 370 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 6: with it. 371 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 5: It may not be the most strategic strategy, but I 372 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 5: never really thought about what what if it didn't work? 373 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 5: And my parents asked me, what are you going to 374 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 5: do with this career? And I thought, don't know, but 375 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 5: I'll just figure it out. And I was at this 376 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 5: moment when in the I guess late nineties, early eighties, 377 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 5: there weren't a lot of us in this in the space. 378 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 6: It was the early days of the internet. 379 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 5: Like once you got on a TV show, your voice 380 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 5: was out there and other people called in the field 381 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 5: wasn't crowded. So I like to think I was am 382 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 5: really good at what I do, But also I recognized 383 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 5: it was this moment in time too, that that gave 384 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 5: me an opportunity to find a to find a public voice. 385 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 5: Because there was no career preath. I had no idea 386 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 5: what this career was going to look like. All I 387 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 5: know is that I was a grad school student on 388 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 5: the Howard Stern Show, and the cat, the taxi driver 389 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 5: I was in recognize my voice from the show, and 390 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 5: I thought it was the weirdest thing. 391 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 3: Yeah. 392 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 4: Ever, that's awesome is this saying I'll either find a 393 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 4: way or make one. It just sounds like you made 394 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 4: one for yourself. 395 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 6: I think so. 396 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 5: I think I'm I think I'm continuing to do that 397 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 5: as I'm in this weird space now professionally. 398 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 6: Where I'm so. 399 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 5: Angry so many times that the people who I thought 400 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 5: were my peers, my professional peers and friends, and now 401 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 5: I have this other chapter of my life which I 402 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 5: think and I know I find so meaningful that I 403 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 5: was kind of made for this moment. So maybe the 404 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 5: plan A was always You're going to have lots of 405 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 5: difficult conversation. Maybe the conversation the subject matter is just 406 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 5: going to change over time. 407 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 3: What do you worry about? 408 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 5: I really worry for for my kids and all of 409 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 5: our kids I should say, not not just my own. 410 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 5: I have an almost twenty year old and an almost 411 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 5: sixteen years old. 412 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 6: I worry that I worry. 413 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 2: Old enough to have a twenty and a sixteen year old. 414 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 6: Oh, thank you, good dear metology. 415 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: Right, I'll get that number from you after, Okay. 416 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 6: Any anytime I worry. 417 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 5: There are a few aspects to what I worry about, 418 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 5: and not them as individuals, but generationally speaking, I worry 419 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 5: that they, because of these weird years in a pandemic, 420 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 5: without intimacy, without taking emotional and physical risks, that they 421 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 5: that this generation does not have the skills to have 422 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 5: emotionally intimates, actually intimate relationships and be able to communicate 423 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 5: about them, especially because they're so connected via social media 424 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 5: and phones and filters and you know, other ways of 425 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 5: being inauthentic. I worry about that. I worry about the 426 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 5: fact that this is a generation of trigger warnings, where 427 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 5: we're like warning people like you're about to be uncomfortable, 428 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 5: so avoid discomfort. I don't, right, that's a space I don't. 429 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 5: I mean, look, as Jews, we've we've never really been 430 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 5: afforded a trigger warning. 431 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 6: So I feel like it's just unfair. 432 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, we just walk right into it over and over 433 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 5: and over again. So there's there's that piece of it. 434 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 5: And then of course, realistically from the anti Semitism space, 435 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 5: I really feel I feel for our kids who and 436 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 5: I speak from personal experience, whom my kids have never 437 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 5: had a day where they haven't had to deal with something, 438 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 5: And I feel so badly that they wear armor every 439 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 5: single day and don't know what it's like to take 440 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 5: that off, to always have to be ready for something, 441 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 5: for a fight, for to not know if your peers 442 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 5: or your friends are really your friends or not. I 443 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 5: just that's that's what I worry about that we are. 444 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 5: It is such a sad position for our young people 445 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 5: to be in. 446 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 3: That's so tough. 447 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I knew that that was the 448 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 4: case for a lot of people, but it's just hearing that. 449 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 2: It's really a hard place to be. 450 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 4: And I hope you're I hope they're doing okay with it, 451 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 4: and I hope you are also. 452 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you. 453 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 5: I mean, we we've I will say our obviously, our 454 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 5: family story at our my son's school was very very public. 455 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 6: It was an opposed two years. 456 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't know it. Tell me, tell me. Yeah, no, oh. 457 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 5: My son graduated from Fieldston in May of twenty three, 458 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 5: and so we dealt with an anti semitic incident basically 459 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 5: every year of high school that we were very much 460 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 5: like all in and my son is this incredible voice 461 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 5: and knows how to be a leader and knows how 462 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 5: to fight even when the stakes are high. And we 463 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 5: just had incident after incidents, So to be honest, he 464 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 5: was very very prepared for college like this right ever's 465 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 5: happening now? 466 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 7: Yeah, and they should be teaching workshops actually, I mean 467 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 7: it's it's I can laugh about it now just because 468 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 7: of course I don't think we have another alternative. 469 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 5: But we've we've been we've been down this road before, 470 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 5: so so you know, they they get it, and I 471 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 5: think they I've always given them a healthy dose of 472 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 5: identity and who they are and to keep your head 473 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 5: on a swivel. 474 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 6: But that's how I was raised. I don't understand everyone still. 475 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: Like fair that they have to deal with it, but 476 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: I get it. 477 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 4: You're giving them the foundation at home and the basis 478 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 4: for everything that they're going to encounter in their lives. 479 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 5: Yes, And I feel badly like that in this day 480 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 5: and age college kids. I mean, depending on where you 481 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 5: are more or less, but there's I don't think there's 482 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 5: any place that's totally immune. 483 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 6: To this stuff that. 484 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 5: They don't ever really get a day of being like 485 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 5: a dumb nineteen year old, right, yeah, yeah for fair, Yeah, 486 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 5: they really they don't find it fair at all. 487 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 2: What advice would you give your sixteen year old self. 488 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 5: I would tell my sixteen year old self that this 489 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 5: is not the best time of your life, not because 490 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 5: it was terrible, just because every chapter should be a 491 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 5: meaningful chapter, and when the chapter ends, it's time for 492 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 5: a new one, and that's a good thing. I think 493 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 5: a lot of us spend time in the past thinking 494 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 5: that this was the best moment, and it shouldn't be. 495 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 5: It shouldn't be the best moment. Every chapter should be 496 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 5: meaningful and be a part of your story and add 497 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 5: to the to the next story that we tell. 498 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 2: Sixteen is pretty good, though, that was a good chapter. 499 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 3: You're not even worried about that many things. 500 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 4: You're like, you know, living with your parents, that your 501 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 4: life is mostly taken care of for you. 502 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,479 Speaker 6: It's you know, I get it. 503 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: It's only gotten better since then. But I like sixteen, it. 504 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 5: Was no I mean, i'd like sixteen too, although I 505 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 5: don't think I would want to. 506 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 6: Well, I know for sure I would not want to 507 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 6: be sixteen today. 508 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 5: I think so much had the worst thing ever, I 509 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 5: would hate, hate it. I tell my students all the time. 510 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 5: I tell my own kids, I made plenty of mistakes, 511 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 5: plenty of things. 512 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 6: Like yeah, and you'll never hear about them. 513 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: Because there are no pictures. 514 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 6: No, there are no pictures. 515 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 5: And also if someone knew about it, it was because 516 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 5: they were there and they weren't saying any right. 517 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, well, I love this. Yeah, I've loved this conversation. 518 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 4: I think you're just awesome. You do such great work, 519 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 4: and you're such an interesting point of view. I think 520 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 4: that everything that you say is very unique. End us 521 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 4: here with your best tip for my listeners on how 522 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 4: they can improve their lives. 523 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 5: I would tell your listeners to get rid of the 524 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 5: fairy tale. I am very much a realist. I'm not 525 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 5: a romantic. That doesn't mean I don't like romance, but 526 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 5: I feel like these stories we were told throughout our 527 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 5: lives set us up for failures, so that when the 528 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 5: challenge is in our midst, we don't know what to do. 529 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 5: With it, and if we veer off a certain path, 530 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 5: we think there's something wrong with us, as opposed to 531 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 5: maybe thinking that there was something wrong with the story. 532 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 5: And so don't let this idea of what's normal or 533 00:27:54,359 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 5: typical paralyze you emotion the sexually. We should be able 534 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 5: to chart our own our own path forward. And who 535 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 5: cares if it doesn't look like your neighbor. Who cares 536 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 5: if it doesn't look like the book you read? 537 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 6: Those are stories you imagined for yourself. Yeah, yeah, very much, 538 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 6: so love it. 539 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 3: She is Logan Lefkoff. 540 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 4: Check her out The Sexy Side of Zionism on Izzy, 541 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 4: follow her on X. 542 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on, Logan, Thank you. 543 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marco 544 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: Witch Show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.