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Speaker 1: of like breaking up with someone. There's really no great
Speaker 1: way to do it, but maybe there are a few
Speaker 1: ways that can help soften the blow. You're listening to
Speaker 1: game Plan. My name is Sam Grobart. I am a
Speaker 1: writer at Bloomberg business Week magazine, and I'm Rebecca Greenfield,
Speaker 1: a reporter at Bloomberg where I cover the workplace. So, Becca,
Speaker 1: you've left some workplaces before. Yes, I've left to workplaces
Speaker 1: and how did they go for you? I think it
Speaker 1: could have been better. It's just you don't know what
Speaker 1: you're doing at all? Is it's really delicate situation, and
Speaker 1: especially when you're young, you have no idea what you're doing.
Speaker 1: What would you say looking back on the two occasions
Speaker 1: that you've left a job, what would be the main
Speaker 1: thing you would have done differently? Well, I've tried to
Speaker 1: do things differently. I think the hardest part is when
Speaker 1: you have that offer for your new job, and what
Speaker 1: do you do with it. My first time, I was
Speaker 1: very I was confused. I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 1: I didn't know the best way to handle it. So
Speaker 1: I went to my boss with those exact feelings, and
Speaker 1: obviously that conversation did not go great for me. Right,
Speaker 1: I think there is an instinct to be overly communicative,
Speaker 1: like you're talking to a friend and you're not talking
Speaker 1: about mistaking the relationship, well, because that was the relationship
Speaker 1: you had up until that point, and you have to
Speaker 1: realize that you're the one who is now introducing a
Speaker 1: threat to that relationship, perhaps an ultimate threat to that relationship,
Speaker 1: because you're talking about ending it right, And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was worried about making people feel bad and that's
Speaker 1: not what got to be professional exactly. So then this
Speaker 1: second time I went to go leave a job, I
Speaker 1: was like more stone cold about it. But then that
Speaker 1: also wasn't appreciated. Something happened to me years ago one
Speaker 1: of the many jobs that I've left. I thought the
Speaker 1: thing to do is to be super clear cut. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then it turned out that I sort of had
Speaker 1: offended my boss because I didn't even explain the fact
Speaker 1: that I had this amazing new opportunity which he then
Speaker 1: later learned about and was like, Oh, if you had
Speaker 1: just told me that, I would have been like, that's
Speaker 1: wonderful for you. I'm very happy. Instead you were like,
Speaker 1: I'm out of here, right. And I think that attitude
Speaker 1: that you're talking about, I mean, it's lucky that your
Speaker 1: boss said that, but it is more common than it
Speaker 1: used to be. I wrote the story maybe a year
Speaker 1: or so ago about the rise of the boomerang employee,
Speaker 1: where it's a lot more acceptable now to leave a
Speaker 1: job and come back to a job. And I think
Speaker 1: that's because employers realize, you know, they're not as obsessed
Speaker 1: with loyalty and you screwed me, so I'm never hiring
Speaker 1: you again. Like they understand you've got a better opportunity
Speaker 1: and maybe one day you'll come back with even more
Speaker 1: knowledge right to benefit the company in an entirely new way.
Speaker 1: I mean, the truth is that we are now. And
Speaker 1: here's a little data point. You know, more people are
Speaker 1: changing jobs leaving jobs in than they have since two
Speaker 1: thousand eight, and that's according to the Labor Department. And
Speaker 1: that seems to be related to of course, and improving
Speaker 1: economy and a lot more mobility and opportunities. So this
Speaker 1: is going to happen more and more. It's just a
Speaker 1: question of how do you manage it? Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: really confusing and delicate, and maybe there is no exact way.
Speaker 1: I mean that, Yeah, there's no way to break up
Speaker 1: with somebody and not hurt their feelings. I think that's
Speaker 1: the thing is, like in a breakup, you have to
Speaker 1: kind of come to terms with the fact that you're
Speaker 1: going to hurt someone and it maybe for the right
Speaker 1: reason because staying there would hurt both of you more
Speaker 1: later or would hurt you and frankly, you have to
Speaker 1: kind of look out for yourself, but you have to
Speaker 1: be willing to take on that role of being the spoiler. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: like you know obviously, Becca, we're very happy here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will never quit a job again. I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: So we can't speak about it, but we do have
Speaker 1: somebody who we're going to be talking to, Rayhan Hermancy,
Speaker 1: who is actually leaving a job basically as we speak.
Speaker 1: And full disclosure, I worked with Rayhon at one job
Speaker 1: that both of us have since left, and we're friends
Speaker 1: and she has left many jobs, and I looked at
Speaker 1: her as a stage and it's sort of a guide
Speaker 1: on breakups, professional breakups. So we're going to talk to
Speaker 1: her in a minute. We're here with Rayhon Harmancy, the
Speaker 1: former editor in chief of Atlas Obscura. Rayhan, thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us today. Thank you, guys, and tell us
Speaker 1: a little bit about how long you've been the former
Speaker 1: editor in chief of Atlas Obscura. Um, I actually am
Speaker 1: still at Atlas Obscura for the next week or so.
Speaker 1: Do they know you're here? Have you told them yet
Speaker 1: to find out? This is like when Rudy Giuliani like
Speaker 1: divorced his wife by in your press conference, Guys, Rudy
Speaker 1: always um no, I I did in fact give notice,
Speaker 1: so it won't be a total surprise. Um. So we're
Speaker 1: having you on because you just gave notice and you're
Speaker 1: going to leave a job. But I also know that
Speaker 1: you have left jobs before. How many jobs have you left?
Speaker 1: Oh man, I actually was counting on my way here.
Speaker 1: I believe I have left seven jobs on good terms,
Speaker 1: on good terms, all in good terms, and you're always
Speaker 1: able to get another job, leading me to believe that
Speaker 1: you're leaving on your terms. And people aren't saying, don't
Speaker 1: hire this person. I mean, I hope. So I think that,
Speaker 1: as you guys know, media is a tumultuous business. In
Speaker 1: so I think a lot of people are leaving, or
Speaker 1: have leaving, or have left jobs. But I realize I've
Speaker 1: left a lot of jobs. So we're interested in the
Speaker 1: tactics that you have related to all parts of this
Speaker 1: a game pan. So maybe from like when you know
Speaker 1: that you want to leave a job, but you haven't
Speaker 1: quite found a new job yet, how do you stay
Speaker 1: interested in your current job? This is something I've given
Speaker 1: a lot of that too. Obviously for me personally, all
Speaker 1: of these jobs and new jobs came about in different ways,
Speaker 1: but I always end up applying like a romantic relationship
Speaker 1: model to this. When you know, you kind of know,
Speaker 1: and then when you start contemplating actually that conversation, it
Speaker 1: is very stressful. So you are currently in this sort
Speaker 1: of senior week of a job, right you You've given notice,
Speaker 1: but you haven't quite left yet. How are you feeling
Speaker 1: in this particular phantom zone. I'm feeling sort of sad.
Speaker 1: I love Atlas Obscura, and I know that it will
Speaker 1: continue to do great things without me, but I'm also
Speaker 1: sort of stressed because there's there's a lot of work
Speaker 1: to be done, so you're you're not checked out, which
Speaker 1: is definitely what I've done, and I guess that's bad.
Speaker 1: I mean, I am currently with you guys, not in
Speaker 1: the office, so one might argue I'm checked out, but
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think that unlike romantic relationship,
Speaker 1: you actually do have to work until the last minute. Rayhan,
Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about how you conduct a
Speaker 1: job search while continuing to have a job. Are there
Speaker 1: any things you sort of make sure you do or
Speaker 1: don't do for your own sort of protection or benefit. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to make clear that I've been
Speaker 1: lucky enough to have been approached for jobs, so it's
Speaker 1: not always that you're conducting a job search. It's more
Speaker 1: that you're living in the world and you know, having conversations.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I think that there are people leave
Speaker 1: jobs for all different kinds of reasons, and I think
Speaker 1: that if you're conducting a job search while you're still
Speaker 1: at work, I mean, I would advise that you be
Speaker 1: sort of quiet about it. You are talking about that,
Speaker 1: Sam and I about how you definitely know people or
Speaker 1: you were that person who you're like, yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a lead on this job, and you tell your coworker
Speaker 1: and you just get really excited about it because you
Speaker 1: think they're your friend, and it's just a really bad idea.
Speaker 1: You have to be careful who you tell about this
Speaker 1: sort of thing, right, Yeah, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of etiquette questions around when you tell your boss that
Speaker 1: you have been thinking about other jobs, been talking to
Speaker 1: other people, or you just give notice when you have
Speaker 1: like a job offer you've signed. I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of gray areas there. But I do remember from
Speaker 1: a time when Becca and I worked together a fast
Speaker 1: company someone telling me that once you tell a boss
Speaker 1: that you have a job offer, there's like some kind
Speaker 1: of research where says that, like, the outcomes are are bad.
Speaker 1: Even if you stay at the job, like you are
Speaker 1: more likely to leave within a year after having sort
Speaker 1: of broken that seal of saying I don't want to
Speaker 1: be here, I don't want to I cheated on your
Speaker 1: I'm looking around, You're not my one and only kind
Speaker 1: of like a relationship, kind of like a relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've I've struggled with this. I've only left a couple
Speaker 1: of jobs. But I have done the tactic of I'm
Speaker 1: breaking up with you, I'm leaving, and my boss didn't
Speaker 1: like that approach, but I had been burned before with
Speaker 1: the oh, I have an offer, I'm not sure which
Speaker 1: I do convinced me to stay. Neither of those tactics
Speaker 1: worked for me. Yeah, I think it's super tricky. I've
Speaker 1: never personally leveraged a job offer for more money at
Speaker 1: a current employer. I know other people that have, and
Speaker 1: I think that's great, and I think that a lot
Speaker 1: of times honesty is the best policy. But you have
Speaker 1: to be ready for all possible outcomes. Once you start
Speaker 1: broaching that conversation, you have to be ready to take
Speaker 1: that job that you're using as a negotiating Definitely, as
Speaker 1: they may turn around and go sounds like a great job,
Speaker 1: you should go do it completely. And I when I've
Speaker 1: had experience managing people who have had job offers, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I don't get mad at them, but it is, uh,
Speaker 1: it is a weird feeling that makes you sort of
Speaker 1: you can't help but think that maybe they won't take
Speaker 1: this offer, but they'll take another one. Ray Han, I
Speaker 1: want to ask you something because I was just reading
Speaker 1: an article recently in the paper about a situation where
Speaker 1: somebody was offered a new job, went and told their
Speaker 1: current employer, gave their notice, and then it turned out
Speaker 1: that the offer they had been given was rescinded because
Speaker 1: it went up the chain and some somebody else, some executive, said, oh, no,
Speaker 1: we're not actually hiring for that position. Do you have
Speaker 1: any rules about when you actually give your notice? Oh
Speaker 1: that sounds like a bad situation. Um, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think you have to have a firm offer in writing,
Speaker 1: don't exchange a few like Twitter direct messages and then
Speaker 1: like tell your boss about a job offer. You know,
Speaker 1: I think just approaching that conversation is so stressful. I
Speaker 1: think you should go into it with an idea of
Speaker 1: what you want the outcome to be, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, go fishing telling employer you have a
Speaker 1: job offer, like haven't writing know that there's at least
Speaker 1: a great chance you want to take it and steer
Speaker 1: the conversation. Maybe. Yeah, that was my problem in my
Speaker 1: first trying to leave a job. Not knowing what I
Speaker 1: was doing was the problem. Really, I think being firm
Speaker 1: and knowing what you want is the best way to
Speaker 1: go into the conversation. But when you're like twenty four
Speaker 1: and have no idea how to live in the world,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. Apparently, Well, it's really hard. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes you're not sure what you want to
Speaker 1: do and you almost want to ask your boss for advice.
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Speaker 1: continue your relationship metaphor a little bit. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like the conversation you're going to have with your
Speaker 1: current employer requires a certain kind of steel if you
Speaker 1: will within you same way that if you're going to
Speaker 1: break up with someone. In both cases, you are very
Speaker 1: well aware that you are in one way or another
Speaker 1: harming someone or causing them display sure, but you have
Speaker 1: to sort of make your peace with it because it's
Speaker 1: better for you to be doing what you're doing. And yes,
Speaker 1: there are going to be consequences, some of which are
Speaker 1: going to be negative for other people. But that's just
Speaker 1: the way this whole sort of system works. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: no matter how you I mean, I guess it does
Speaker 1: depend on how you feel about your employee. But you're
Speaker 1: severing a relationship, and most of the time, you know
Speaker 1: you want to sever it in like the sort of
Speaker 1: cleanest possible way. And so it's really if you go
Speaker 1: into the conversation being like, I don't know, like maybe
Speaker 1: I'll take the job, you're not doing anybody any favors.
Speaker 1: That's very real in relationships too. I think we I
Speaker 1: think we've all experienced then they're good. So that is
Speaker 1: it does continue to be awkward though, once you've decided
Speaker 1: to take a job, because most people do give some
Speaker 1: form of notice, like two weeks notice. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: and then you're still working at the job for two weeks,
Speaker 1: and I'm first of all wondering should we still be
Speaker 1: doing two weeks notice? Tick of a movie, by the way,
Speaker 1: two weeks I obviously don't get your reference as usual. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not that old. Oh wait, I do remember that
Speaker 1: I thought you were alive when that movie came out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's two weeks notice useful anymore. That's a
Speaker 1: really good question. I remember my first the first you guys,
Speaker 1: take you back in time. The first time I left
Speaker 1: a job. I was working in a newspaper I had
Speaker 1: worked for for seven years, and I was just in
Speaker 1: my young, deluded brain. For some reason, I was so
Speaker 1: scared to give notice. Like they were doing rounds after
Speaker 1: rounds of layoffs. I'm sure they were like reassured that
Speaker 1: I wanted to leave, but I was very upset and
Speaker 1: like didn't know what to say and how to say goodbye. Um.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I can work here for six
Speaker 1: more weeks, and my boss at the time was like,
Speaker 1: well great, I mean we need you around. You're the
Speaker 1: youngest love was paid employee here, so no need to
Speaker 1: rush out. And then I worked. I was in a union,
Speaker 1: and according to union rules, though I had to, I
Speaker 1: gave notice on like a Tuesday, and then I got
Speaker 1: a no the next day. There's like if you're not
Speaker 1: out by Friday, you're going to not get your pension,
Speaker 1: which or ira A or some union front of money
Speaker 1: I didn't really know existed. So then I suddenly went
Speaker 1: from being like, oh, I'll have like a long goodbye
Speaker 1: to like, you have three days to pack up your
Speaker 1: stuff and you've worked here for seven years. But in retrospect,
Speaker 1: that was the best possible outcome, right, it's kind of
Speaker 1: good to make the clean break, don't you think? Yes?
Speaker 1: I think that, Like when you again you think maybe
Speaker 1: I don't know people do I would do things out
Speaker 1: of guilt a lot, So like, maybe out of guilt,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, I'll stay as long as you need
Speaker 1: me to stay. But the truth is, I think two
Speaker 1: weeks is it's way enough time to tie things up
Speaker 1: unless you have a very specific project. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing by giving them two more
Speaker 1: weeks of your time. Really, I don't know. You're not
Speaker 1: really helping and it's just awkward, which brings me to
Speaker 1: my next question, which is, how do you tell people
Speaker 1: you're leaving? And when do you tell them you're leaving
Speaker 1: besides for your boss, who obviously you need to tell.
Speaker 1: Great question, Becca, this is thing that you're not giving
Speaker 1: notice once at a job, you actually have to give notice,
Speaker 1: like as many times as you need to to tell
Speaker 1: the people around you, and like the way you want
Speaker 1: to tell them. So yeah, so I mean, so I
Speaker 1: give notice to your boss first. Do not let your
Speaker 1: boss here about it from anybody else. I think that
Speaker 1: is a really bad look. So tell your boss first,
Speaker 1: get that conversation out of the way, and then decide
Speaker 1: who needs to be told in person and who needs
Speaker 1: to be told in a group. Because once the information
Speaker 1: is released, it really wants to be free, and it
Speaker 1: wants to be free over email, and I wants to
Speaker 1: be free over slack, and it wants to be free
Speaker 1: in any possible way. So I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a race after you give noticed your
Speaker 1: boss to then start telling other people in a way
Speaker 1: that is not too harsh or weird. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: know how many times I have this is horrible gossiped
Speaker 1: and g chatted somebody, Oh my god, did you hear so?
Speaker 1: And so I was leaving, only to have them say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I already knew that. Yeah. Have you ever taken steps
Speaker 1: before even giving notice but knowing that you would be
Speaker 1: getting your affairs in order? Maybe you're you know, forwarding
Speaker 1: information to your regular private email account, or do you
Speaker 1: ever worry about, you know, not having everything if they
Speaker 1: tell you hit the bricks. Yeah, if you think you
Speaker 1: are going to take a job offer but you're not
Speaker 1: ready to say yes, you're not at a place yet.
Speaker 1: I also think it's only human to not let it
Speaker 1: be a total shock for your boss. Like at some point,
Speaker 1: I think if you are thinking or unhappy, like you
Speaker 1: owe it to your employer to make your feelings visible
Speaker 1: in some way, Like, I mean, at least that's something
Speaker 1: I personally hate surprises. So I think that if you
Speaker 1: think there's something you want out of another company that
Speaker 1: your current employees possible for them to give to you,
Speaker 1: I think don't have that conversation like with a gun
Speaker 1: to their head necessarily, you know, like have that conversation
Speaker 1: in advance. That's something that Sam and I were also
Speaker 1: talking about that I definitely struggle with being honest with
Speaker 1: the current employer about like constructive things that you want.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had employers say, oh, like you didn't
Speaker 1: really ask us for that, How do we know that
Speaker 1: you would have wanted it? And now you're just leaving
Speaker 1: to go to another company to get it. We could
Speaker 1: have maybe fixed it six weeks ago, but I'm too scared. Well,
Speaker 1: it helps to feel like there's another suitor, right, Like,
Speaker 1: it helps to feel like you have options. So when
Speaker 1: you have that conversation, you're doing it like with the
Speaker 1: private knowledge that like just so you have options. Yeah,
Speaker 1: leverage basically exactly. And I think in many cases, you know,
Speaker 1: certainly surprises can happen. But if you begin a job
Speaker 1: process with another employer, there is a point at which
Speaker 1: it's moved past the sort of preliminary and you realize,
Speaker 1: like this is advancing, and you know this looks to
Speaker 1: be heading somewhere. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, it's you know,
Speaker 1: you met, you like each other. May you're going to
Speaker 1: fall in love, you know, But until anything is signed,
Speaker 1: I would not assumption. I can't tell you how many
Speaker 1: people I know, bright, smart, disciplined people who go and
Speaker 1: tell their employers that they're leaving before they have the
Speaker 1: written job offer. And you never know because sometimes that offer,
Speaker 1: while it is definitely heading your way, gets delayed for
Speaker 1: the most silly of reasons. Right the person who needs
Speaker 1: to sign the form went on a two week vacation
Speaker 1: and no one else can sign the form, and so
Speaker 1: now the whole thing drags out and they're stuck. You know,
Speaker 1: they've told their employer, but they they're not leaving. It's awful. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that's terrible. That's terrible and should be avoided at all costs. Also,
Speaker 1: like until you get the written job offer in the
Speaker 1: case of your time at rescinding, I don't even know
Speaker 1: how you deal with that. That seems like that's pretty
Speaker 1: sort of sex macin that kind of way. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like there's no there's no guarantees, and that your future employer,
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't you Guys, business is brutal, Like they're
Speaker 1: talking to other people too. You know, you don't know
Speaker 1: what the behind the scenes are. Are you taking any
Speaker 1: time off between Atlas and your next move? Well, you know,
Speaker 1: before I started Atlas, my soon to be former boss,
Speaker 1: David Plotts, insisted that I take time off between jobs,
Speaker 1: and I really deeply appreciated that in the wisdom of that.
Speaker 1: So I'm taking a few days off. I should be
Speaker 1: taking more time off, but but I'm not. I'm a
Speaker 1: huge advocate of taking as much time off as you
Speaker 1: can afford. It is a rare, rare thing to not
Speaker 1: be at work and not necessarily have work on the
Speaker 1: other side of it. Obviously, starting a new job requires
Speaker 1: some new things, but you don't have that coming home
Speaker 1: from vacation dread of like, oh that thing that I
Speaker 1: let you know slide for two weeks is still there,
Speaker 1: and now you have sort of open territory. Precious. I've
Speaker 1: actually considered going to grad school just for that time
Speaker 1: between applying to grad school and hopefully getting into grad
Speaker 1: school and knowing you're going to grad school. Same. I'm
Speaker 1: so only jealous of my friends who went to law
Speaker 1: school because they seem to have this like months long
Speaker 1: time between taking the bar and starting their jobs, so
Speaker 1: they get to travel places. But that is not a
Speaker 1: reason to go to law school. It's not. And then
Speaker 1: they have to go be first year associate somewhere and
Speaker 1: so who zoom and who right? What's a vacation now,
Speaker 1: Buddy Rahn, thank you so much for joining us. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, thank you guys so much. This is fun.
Speaker 1: You know. One thing we didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: talk to Rayhan about, although perhaps it's happening imminently, is
Speaker 1: the whole issue of the goodbye drinks. I don't know
Speaker 1: back if maybe you've been invited to this because you're
Speaker 1: friends with her. Well, we we we had been talking
Speaker 1: about the phenomenon of the going away drinks, and it's
Speaker 1: something that happens. It's like un necessary, But does anybody
Speaker 1: really want it? I really, I really like to sort
Speaker 1: of I could buy a job. I think that's better.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of awkward. Yeah, I think it's better
Speaker 1: to have like small lunches and coffees with the people
Speaker 1: that you want to make sure that's right, you're explaining
Speaker 1: everything to and maintaining relationships with right. And I think
Speaker 1: that maybe the best version of the goodbye drinks, if
Speaker 1: there can be a good version, is it just in
Speaker 1: the office. Yeah, somebody runs out and buys a few
Speaker 1: bottles of cheap prosecco and you raise a glass and
Speaker 1: it's a twenty five minute thing and everybody goes back
Speaker 1: to work. Yeah, because going to drinks after work can
Speaker 1: seem like a burden to a lot of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not really the best way to get together because,
Speaker 1: of course, the undertone to this is like I'm leaving
Speaker 1: all of you, assumably for something better, which means that
Speaker 1: what you have is something worse piece out losers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say that the big takeaway I got from
Speaker 1: our conversation is the importance of keeping your mouth shut
Speaker 1: when you have a new offer and making sure that
Speaker 1: you don't announce your departure before the new job is
Speaker 1: really solidified. Yeah, there's the importance of certainty, certainty and
Speaker 1: where you're going, what you're doing, what you want to
Speaker 1: do before you make any moves. I think that'll be
Speaker 1: the best. As we discussed, this is business, and the
Speaker 1: two words that pop into my head are stone cold right, like,
Speaker 1: you want to be a nice person, you want to
Speaker 1: be open, you want to share, but in fact, the
Speaker 1: kind thing to do is to keep it to yourself
Speaker 1: until it's really all set up, and then be very
Speaker 1: clear and inform people at the right time and cut
Speaker 1: the cord, rip off the band aid and other metaphors
Speaker 1: as well. And now it's time for half baked takes,
Speaker 1: half fake takes. So Becca, do you have any half
Speaker 1: formed opinions or ideas or thoughts that you would like
Speaker 1: to share with the group. To bring it back to
Speaker 1: one of my favorite topics, my sad desk. One one
Speaker 1: way to brighten up your sad desk lunch is to
Speaker 1: have a really great glass tupperware, Like the salad just
Speaker 1: tastes so much better when it's not a sad like
Speaker 1: deformed plastic thing that's been through the dishwasher ten too
Speaker 1: many times. You're not even supposed to put those in
Speaker 1: the dishwasher. But like you, it sounds like you're sort
Speaker 1: of applying this sort of business class logic, like the
Speaker 1: soda tastes better in glass exactly than in a plastic
Speaker 1: and it does. It totally does the little things. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're finding, you know, ways to improve. Well,
Speaker 1: my glass tupperware was recently stolen here at Bloomberg and
Speaker 1: it really got me down. Anyway. That's my half bay take.
Speaker 1: What's my half bake take is decades after I graduated
Speaker 1: from grade school in high school, I'm coming back around
Speaker 1: to the backpack. Welcome to the world, backpack. Yeah no, no,
Speaker 1: I for years now have been doing the messenger bag thing,
Speaker 1: but have suddenly mostly thanks to my wife, who bought
Speaker 1: a backpack recently and has been extolling its virtues. I
Speaker 1: think that I'm going to make that make that leap.
Speaker 1: I think it just seems like a more practical easier
Speaker 1: to carry sort of system. Okay, So as a backpack
Speaker 1: user myself, I need to tell you the one thing
Speaker 1: is that backpack users are really annoying on the subway
Speaker 1: because they don't take them off right, And I'm incredibly
Speaker 1: conscious you always bring it down and but a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't. Don't. Don't. Don't be that guy. Oh
Speaker 1: I will never be that guy. I take them off
Speaker 1: in elevators. That's nice. Yeah, even shoulderbacks. Maybe I should
Speaker 1: do that. Well. Great, Okay, this has been half baked takes,
Speaker 1: half baked takes. All right, you've been listening to game Plan,
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