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Speaker 2: Yeah? I could do a lot with You're stuck with you.

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Speaker 1: Hello, Renee, Hello Caitlin. How are you? Where are you?

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Speaker 1: I am very good.

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Speaker 3: I am in New Haven, Connecticut? Or does the locals

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Speaker 1: Really? Well, that's what I hear. That's weird.

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Speaker 4: So you're there obviously commentating as the illustrious commentator you

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Speaker 3: Well, I've been a coach before and doing a little

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Speaker 3: Little bit at the end of last year in Singapore

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Speaker 1: But Obviously, I'm very busy with my TV work.

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Speaker 4: Well, I can't think of anybody more capable of juggling

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Speaker 1: I'm going to leave that one alone, Caitlin.

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Speaker 4: Insiders might know how the irony of that statement. Despite

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Speaker 1: For Is it official?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, you believe me.

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Speaker 1: And you had your struggles through your career with injuries.

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Speaker 3: And does that come from a combination of hard work

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Speaker 1: Times did you steal bread rolls from the morning breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Always for lunch, Always you'd make a nice ham and

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Speaker 2: You just flew the cheapest flight. You'd fly like six

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Speaker 2: Oh? Well, from Perth, I would do like Perth, Adelaide, Adelaide, Sydney, Sydney,

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Speaker 2: That's like the longest I think route you can go.

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Speaker 3: I went Puerto Rico one time, so I was in

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Speaker 2: Then I went LA to Tokyo to get back to

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Speaker 2: But you probably got to cheap around the world ticket

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Speaker 2: You rock up plenty of times my rackets didn't show

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Speaker 1: Happy days. Yeah, yeah, making hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how hard was it to walk away from making

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how hard was that to walk away.

440
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,280
Speaker 1: From considering You've got this family and.

441
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's tough, but I guess you always

442
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 2: get to a point in life where for me, well,

443
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,399
Speaker 2: this is how I feel. It was never it's not

444
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,439
Speaker 2: about the money. I've had a great career and I've

445
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 2: been able to give my family a great start in

446
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 2: life in terms of you know, having a house, a

447
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 2: roof over a head and all that stuff that's really important.

448
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,480
Speaker 2: And a pool. We're putting in a pool, which is great.

449
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 2: So those little things I'm really proud of that I've

450
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 2: been able to do for my family. But at the

451
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 2: end of the day, the money, yeah, it's great, keeps

452
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 2: going up and up. You would be a bit spewing

453
00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,639
Speaker 2: from back when you used to be playing. It keeps

454
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 2: going up and up.

455
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 1: But I wish I'd stuck around a couple more. Yes,

456
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: but I can't complain.

457
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 2: No, But do you know what it's Yeah, it's not

458
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 2: always about the money. And it was about being at

459
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 2: home with my family and that's priceless for me. So

460
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,120
Speaker 2: that's is important.

461
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 3: Okay, So, speaking of motherhood, you decide to you and

462
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 3: your partner have kids. You now have two kids, Yeah,

463
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 3: Blake and Andy, little boy and little girl, who are

464
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 3: absolutely adorable.

465
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

466
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 1: Anybody follows you on Instagram, they know how difficult was

467
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 1: it to travel away from them. And I guess, now,

468
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 1: what's your thought for us about having more kids?

469
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 2: And yeah? Yeah, So when I met Amanda, we always

470
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 2: knew that we wanted a family, I guess, and that

471
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 2: was part of what we wanted. And we had Blake

472
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, and my career actually even turned more

473
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 2: of a head when Blake was born. I actually started

474
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 2: to do really well, and I think people were like, oh,

475
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 2: the Blake's going to make it hard for Case in that.

476
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: But you know what, it made me be in a

477
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 2: really good space in life. I was really content. I

478
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 2: was really happy, and for me, that always translated on

479
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: the court. When Blake was born, we traveled with him

480
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: a lot. He came on the road. Logistically it was hard.

481
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: We'd get to like Rome, for example, we think we'd

482
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 2: book a beautiful room and we'd got this shoe box

483
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 2: room and I was like, yeah, we've got like a

484
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: little baby, and we wanted just some warm milk for

485
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 2: his bottle, and like trying to relay to the stuff

486
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 2: you just want some more milks different, yeah, Or like

487
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 2: we'd be like wanting to do some washing and a

488
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: little Nona would walk out and we'd be like, no,

489
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 2: we want a.

490
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: Washing machine, James Dela likewise, how do.

491
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Speaker 2: You I didn't know. I get that all the time.

492
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, life's good. When our second child came along,

493
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: and it does logistically it gets more difficult, but I

494
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: was already I was out with my concussion at that

495
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 2: time and life was changing a little bit anyway, But

496
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,160
Speaker 2: you know, kid, there's more kids in the in the

497
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 2: in the plan, but you know, eventually we'll get there.

498
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 2: And I've always been big on family, family life, that's

499
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: what life's about. So yeah, we're really happy. And I

500
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 2: love being at home. I love being a mum. I

501
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 2: love playing board games with my kids. I love seeing them.

502
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: It's so rewarding for a stroll.

503
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I love going for walks with them, and yeah,

504
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 2: they love having me home a lot more too, So

505
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: we're all happy.

506
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 3: Speaking of happiness, there were periods of time in your

507
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: career where, in particular, you went through this concussion thing

508
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. So you're playing a match

509
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 3: in Beijing with Yaroslava Shreda. Yep, you're an old doubles

510
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 3: partner and you've made the WT finals. You knew you

511
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: were in for the first time. Yeah, that was a

512
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 3: pretty special moment for you.

513
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: And you're playing a match. It's close to the end

514
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: to the match, correct, yep, correct, the chances point, yeah,

515
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: match point.

516
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a match point yep for you. Yeap.

517
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: Oh bloody hell it was.

518
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: And we were down like six one five, love like

519
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: we were out here and we somehow got.

520
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: There and you made it back from match point and

521
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: you end up falling.

522
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 3: Backwards, Yeah, and absolutely plunking your head very hard on

523
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 3: the tennis cord.

524
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: Yes.

525
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: Go through the period of time from that moment and

526
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 3: through to about March of the following year.

527
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was Yeah, like you said, I was

528
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: on court. Life was great. We had made Champs, we

529
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: were well and truly qualified, and we were playing Beijing

530
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: and you know, just getting some extra matches together. I

531
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: loved playing with Slava. She was awesome to play with.

532
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: And yeah, I obviously had that moment where I smashed

533
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 2: my head on that on the concrete court, which if

534
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: anyone knows a concrete court is it's.

535
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: Going to win the head too.

536
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, head to head battle, Yes, pretty much. Yes,

537
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: it's it's hard. And I have no recollection from that

538
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: moment on till I got to maybe like the hospital.

539
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 2: I remember kind of waking up and my partner happened

540
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: to be the Amanda at the time, and the WTA

541
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: trainer Kate, and yeah, I was just in all sorts.

542
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: I'd walked off the court. I was apparently vomiting and had,

543
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: you know, signs of concussion, which is what happens.

544
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: And unusual for a tennis player.

545
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: Yes, and something that the WTA stuff would never really like.

546
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: It's very rare for a player to have a concussion,

547
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,639
Speaker 2: especially on court, so and my knowledge of concussion was

548
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 2: very limited. I just assumed I'd leave Beijing and then

549
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: after two weeks I'd get home, have a little bit

550
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: of rest, and I'd be fine. I could just have

551
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: a bit of rest, and championships are on the way,

552
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: so I'd be able to do that. So but yeah,

553
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: then after that it just became a real battle for me.

554
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 2: It became difficult. I went home, I had to pull

555
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: out of the championships unfortunately. It's terrible, which was really upsetting,

556
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: upsetting for Lava, upsetting for me.

557
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 1: I followed money too.

558
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: It was a lot of money. We were one of

559
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: the best teams in the world that year, so it

560
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: was really hard. I continued to really struggle. I was

561
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: having a lot of issues. It termed like my physical

562
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 2: symptoms were subsiding. I had like my headaches were slowly going,

563
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 2: which was they were constant for months. I was sensitive to,

564
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 2: like couldn't use my phone, was just really switched off

565
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: from the world for a while. Then I started to

566
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: have a few like more mental I guess struggles. Certainly anxiety, Yeah,

567
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: anxiety set in and not I'd never experienced much anxiety

568
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: before where I couldn't get out of the house, Like

569
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: I'm very bubbly, I'm very social, like I like to

570
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: be chatty and stuff. And then I couldn't make Yeah,

571
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: I do, and that's something I've never struggled with. But

572
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't take my son to the park,

573
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: couldn't go out and get grosses. The little things were

574
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: really difficult for me. So I did pull out of

575
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: the Austrain Open that year. People didn't really know what

576
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: was kind of going on. I think a lot of people.

577
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: I felt like people didn't really understand because they were like,

578
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: had to be a concussion player, yeah, not play like

579
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 2: surely you're a case. Yeah. Everyone that was close to

580
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: me knew what I was going through. I did try

581
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: and come back in March. You were with me. I

582
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: called you to help me on the road, but I

583
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 2: was still struggling. I thought I was ready, but I wasn't.

584
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

585
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 3: I remember going out on the court. You were playing

586
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: with Sam Stozo and Indian Wells are so great for

587
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: doubles and they love the support. The doubles there and

588
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 3: the court was absolutely packed, and you had just an

589
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: absolute shocker of a first round playing Hingus and Mirrors

590
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 3: the first round, who I believe were a numb.

591
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: One team in the lay at the time.

592
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 3: So you know, you've been thrust out on a massive

593
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 3: court with huge amounts of crowd and you're playing, you know,

594
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: one of the best teams, and you expect a lot

595
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 3: from yourself as well as a doubles player and Sam

596
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: Stozer who you were playing with. And so I remember

597
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: going out and after the first set, and I walked

598
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 3: out into the court and I looked at Sam and

599
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 3: I was very constructive with my assessment of what.

600
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: You needed to do.

601
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: And then I looked at Sam, and then I looked

602
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: at you, and you looked at me, and you had

603
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: tears in your eyes and you were petrified.

604
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you were so overwhelmed with the moment.

605
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: And normally you'd be just like, yeah, whatever stuffs a

606
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: year where you'd be fine, but you were like, I.

607
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: Don't want to be here. You were so petrified.

608
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: About playing and the anxiety of people looking at you

609
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: and not playing well. And I remember looking I think

610
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,719
Speaker 3: I may have said to you Casey, you've got some

611
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 3: of the best returns in the world.

612
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: Just let it go. Yeah, you know, kind of thing

613
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: something along those lines.

614
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: But I remember that period of time. You went to Miami.

615
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 3: We went to San Antonio actually.

616
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: And you played singles.

617
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was disaster and.

618
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: You played singles and you lost to Peronkova. And it

619
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 3: wasn't a bad match. You in a lot of people's

620
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 3: eyes got thrashed.

621
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: It was like one in one or something.

622
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: The match wasn't that dad.

623
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, But you came off the court and you and

624
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: I sat together and you sobbed uncontrollably, and you said,

625
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: I can't take this. And it was not that you

626
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 3: couldn't take being on tennis squad. It was overwhelmingly tough

627
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: for you with the anxiety still.

628
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: And the eyes on you. And I want to tell

629
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: this because I know it's hard for you.

630
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, we went You went.

631
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: To Miami and you had you won a good first

632
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: round doubles against Burtons and your last night yeah yeah,

633
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 3: and you came off the court and you were in

634
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 3: We went into the room. You were with melt Amazolo,

635
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 3: who's the traveling train fitness of physio from Australia and

636
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 3: I walked into the room and you were lying on

637
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 3: the ground and you were bawling your eyes out.

638
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we had won and he's a good match,

639
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: and you.

640
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: Were literally almost hyper ventilating.

641
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

642
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: And I think that's when I thought, Wow, this is

643
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: more than any.

644
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: Of us know what to do for you.

645
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it probably was a good realization

646
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: for me too, because I kept convincing myself that I

647
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: was okay. I kept convincing myself your tennis is good enough,

648
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: that other stuff will be fine, You'll get there. Yeah.

649
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: And then even we won a match and it was

650
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: like still too much and it was overwhelming, And to

651
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: be honest, if I look back now, I probably still

652
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: just hadn't recovered from my concussion, but it had been

653
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: such a long period that I was just like I

654
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: felt a bit weak, Like you've got to be back,

655
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: You've got to get back and play like you're a

656
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: good player. Get back. What are you doing?

657
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: And it was just look back on it, though you

658
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: had the worst freaking draws, probably wasn't the best sons

659
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: to come back and play, But anyway, I think you

660
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: played the top seed in three tournaments in a row

661
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: almost joke.

662
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that didn't help.

663
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 3: At least you could have maybe got a bit of

664
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 3: a shitty drawer one a couple of easy matches.

665
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: Maybe you would have thought felt a little bit more comfortable. Yeah,

666
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: but it was because there was all this pressure on

667
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: you immediately, and so you made a big decision.

668
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, from that moment after Miami, I took to Charleston.

669
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: After Charlston, sorry, yeah, I took special ranking and you

670
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 2: walked away, But yeah, I stopped, I walked away. I

671
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: never said that I was going to retire, but I

672
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: knew that I was going to be out for an

673
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: extended period of time. To get myself right. I went

674
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: back to Sydney and I worked with the psychologist weekly

675
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: for a long time, just to get me back to

676
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: being casey, like just the casey that could get up

677
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: and go for walks with me kids and have fun.

678
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: And then in April, not long after Charleston, the birth

679
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: our daughter came along, Andy, and that was a really

680
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: great time. Now I look back, we were just in

681
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: that newborn bubble of love where you got a little

682
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: baby and distracted me from a lot of the other

683
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: stuff that was happening. So yeah, so basically for the

684
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: rest of that whole year, I stopped, I didn't hit,

685
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: I didn't play any tennis, I didn't think about tennis.

686
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: I always watched a little bit. And then yeah, come

687
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: November was when, yeah, Ash and I started hitting a

688
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 2: little bit more together and we had a great year

689
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: and so be it.

690
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: So basically, you and Ash got each other back out

691
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: of retirement. You got her back from playing cricket, thank

692
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: blood God.

693
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 3: And because she dealt with her own anxiety issues, you know,

694
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: as far as not wanting you know, having a lot

695
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 3: of the notoriety of being so young and so good.

696
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: She's so good, and you know she had a hard

697
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 3: time being away from her family as well.

698
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you.

699
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: Two supported each other through a period of time that

700
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: you know you can look back on and be really

701
00:30:59,320 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 3: proud of.

702
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

703
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: She made how many Grand Slam finals together?

704
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: Well, we made five, we made oh sorry, four, we

705
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: made three back when, back in twenty thirteen, and then

706
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: we made French Open final last year. So yeah, we

707
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: reconnected and like you said, I think just timing in

708
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,959
Speaker 2: life was perfect for us. She will, you know, more

709
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: than anyone as well. You can't put her price on

710
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: the value of having good friends out on tour and

711
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: for Ash and I. Yeah, she was great for me,

712
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: and I feel like I was great for her even

713
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 2: though we're years apart, just like you and me, I guess,

714
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: but we get along great and we had a really

715
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: great year last year. We made Singapore. I finally got

716
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: to go to Singapore. We were both back to top

717
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: ten in the world in doubles, and I just felt

718
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: like it was a really good way for me to

719
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: go out as well, like having a great year coming

720
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: back from the concussion. Everything that I'd been through proved

721
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: to myself that I could get I could do it.

722
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: I got back to top ten and I was really

723
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: proud that I could finish on my own terms and

724
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: in a really positive way.

725
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I believe we've got a little bit smashed.

726
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: That night in Singapore, Yeah, we did.

727
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: We certainly sell it braided. We did. We had a

728
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: lot of drinks and it was fun. It was a

729
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: lot of it was good.

730
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 3: It was the old what's the dance with the sprinklers?

731
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: Sprinkler doubt, so I still have that on do We did.

732
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: We actually had Carolina plishkover up on that night and

733
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 3: I remember going we walked to the bathroom together and

734
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: we both had to go to the toilet at the

735
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: same time. And Carolina looked at me and she goes, oh,

736
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: they're so fun. I love I love the all the

737
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 3: Aussies were Aussies like that.

738
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: We had time exactly and we know how to have

739
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: a good time. All right.

740
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: So, speaking of Amanda and your family and coming out

741
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: and you know the controversy of the Margaret Court situation,

742
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: you were sort of thrust into that conversation unwillingly. You

743
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: didn't go out and seek this spotlight.

744
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: You're not somebody who usually tweets out shit, no.

745
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 3: Pretty quiet. You have a good time and you find

746
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 3: and you're outspoken. Yeah yeah, but you're not one that

747
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: seeks it. But you were thrust into that because Margaret

748
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: sort of put you into the spotlight about you having

749
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 3: a family and it not being right.

750
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: And you're both from Perth.

751
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's somebody that you've I'm sure looked up to

752
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: throughout your career, one of the greatest players of all time.

753
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: How difficult was that period of time and how important

754
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 3: it was it for you to stand up and also

755
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: get the support of a lot of your Aussie.

756
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: Friends yeah, it was. It was something that I put

757
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: a lot of thought into actually, because yeah, there had

758
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: been moments back when Blake was born where there was

759
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: Margaret had written an article about my family which wasn't nice,

760
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: but I left it alone and kind of didn't really

761
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 2: think too much about it because it wasn't something that

762
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: I felt was worthy to respond to. But yeah, then

763
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: the marriage equality started happening in Australia and yeah, she

764
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: was being outspoken, so I just felt like it was

765
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: the right time for me to speak up and to

766
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: you know, just be really proud of my family and

767
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: who I am and my relationship. And I think sometimes

768
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: you don't realize what a role model you are until

769
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: you then kind of speak up and you realize, like

770
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: I always, I had amazing support throughout that whole time,

771
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 2: not only from my friends on tour, like everyone's been amazing,

772
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: but from everyone the general public back in Australia were

773
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: fantastic and obviously marriage equality got passed, and yeah, it

774
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: was a it was a really good outcome.

775
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you win an award at the end?

776
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: I did? I actually want one Sports Personality of the

777
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 2: Year for the lgbt I community, which was really rewarding.

778
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: I felt quite proud that. I mean, I just like

779
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: you said, I didn't seek the spotlight. I just felt

780
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: like it was a really important time to speak up

781
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: because I feel like there are old times in life

782
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: where I don't say much, but when there's I do

783
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: behind close. But when I feel like there's a there's

784
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: the right time. And that was definitely the right time

785
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 2: to speak up. And I'm really glad I did. And yeah,

786
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: so it was nice to be I guess.

787
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: Recognized, recognized for.

788
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: No just for being me, And that was the thing,

789
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: Like I was like, Wow, I won an award for

790
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: just being Casey. That's pretty cool. Like I've just been

791
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 2: who I am and it's nice to be rewarded for that.

792
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should be right for that, case you deserve

793
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: an award for that.

794
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: Every day.

795
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: Go back to tennis.

796
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: Can you one of the some of the one or

797
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 3: some of the funniest times matches moments on court?

798
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I've got plenty, there's plenty. You probably tell the

799
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: story better than I do, though, probably one of the

800
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: funniest ones was when I was playing with you, So

801
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: you can tell it in Madrid, Yes, in Madrid. Well,

802
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: so basically I'll tell the beginning of it and you

803
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 2: can tell the end of it. But I was coming

804
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 2: back from another injury and I still had a good

805
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: special ranking. But Stubbsy's ranking was good. But you were

806
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: about to on the vergees contemplating the timement. Yeah, and

807
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: I just called you and said, can you play with me?

808
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: We'll get into these times.

809
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 3: Your exact words were, Stubbsy, can you help me try

810
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: and get my ranking back?

811
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: So basically, can I use an abusie just get me

812
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: back and then I'll flip you. Yeah, I'll w for

813
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 2: a younger version, like a twenty year younger version called

814
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: ash Bardi pretty much. But yeah, so we started and

815
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: we did really well. We did great, and then I

816
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: was on my way. But yeah, the one of the

817
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 2: funniest stories was probably the first tournament back that we

818
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: played together. Was in Madrid, and do you tell it?

819
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: You tell the first match it was we were playing, but.

820
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 2: You tell it funny.

821
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: And somebody had a ball on top of the net

822
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: and they had the whole court and they decided to

823
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: try and.

824
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: Tag you, and then you flicked it back and you

825
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: got it back. I don't know how you close your

826
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: eyes and then they hit it again at you, rather

827
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: than again.

828
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: Trying to hit it away, and they went right at

829
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: you again and you flicked it up in the air

830
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 3: over their head and you hit a volley winner and

831
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: I laughed so hard because I was so.

832
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: Just embarrassed for that person. And then I just said, haha,

833
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: fuck you. I just sort of said it out loud.

834
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: And it was very impulsive, but it was so funny, oh,

835
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: because it was just so appropriate. I know they were

836
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 2: really trying to achieve me and like go at me. Yeah,

837
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: and I'm just a bit weird with my reflexes somehow,

838
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: I just put my racket.

839
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: It's like a frying pan sometimes.

840
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: But I'm like, you always had my back, and in

841
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: that moment it was very funny. Oh yeah. And it

842
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: was so impulsive because yeah, it was unexpected but great.

843
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one.

844
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 3: And then you had one about three weeks later at

845
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: the French Open against again unnamed opponents.

846
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: They know who they are.

847
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: And I was trying to keep you together because you

848
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: were losing your.

849
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: Shit the whole. Yeah.

850
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: I was pretty fired up that match, and which it's

851
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: usually the opposite. Yeah, I'm usually trying to bring you down,

852
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: but I was very fired up.

853
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I just lost my shit.

854
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 3: Yeah second the last game, to the point where it

855
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: was just hysterical.

856
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, we've had we had some fun.

857
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 2: Moments and most of a lot of my best times

858
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 2: on tour from fed Cup and you would know as well,

859
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 2: like those times at fed Cut when we've had great

860
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: for me, like they were great weeks Olympics for example,

861
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: even the weeks I loved being on tour, but the

862
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: weeks that I had with my teammates or my Aussie friends,

863
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: you can't replace them, and they are the memories that

864
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: stick out in my mind as being some of the

865
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 2: greatest memories on tour. We will always look back and

866
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: have some good laughs. We'll always have girls' weekends. We'll

867
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: organize with that.

868
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: Although you're trying to get a girl's weekend together, I

869
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 3: don't know if I can make you no disappointed.

870
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: With you you spend too much time in America. But

871
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: the Ossie ones that live in Australia, we're going to

872
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 2: get together. And I don't know if many girls would

873
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: do that on tour, but we're very fortunate to have

874
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: a group of girls that really enjoy each other's company

875
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: and we have great stories, great memories, and that's something

876
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: that old Cherry should take with me for the rest

877
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: of my life. As those friends.

878
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: If there was one match that you could take back,

879
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 3: I like talking about that.

880
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what would it be. I've never asked

881
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: you this question.

882
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: No, I don't think you have, and I haven't really

883
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: put much thought into it. There's a few, but you

884
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: can only have one. Yeah. Well, I actually played Flavia

885
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 2: Panetta at a fourth round at a US Open, and

886
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: I felt like it was a really I mean, she's

887
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: an amazing player, obviously winning the US Open, but this

888
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: was prior to that. But I just felt like it

889
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: was a really good opportunity for me to kind of

890
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: break through into like a quarter final of a Slam,

891
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 2: and I was playing really good tennis. I'd struggled through

892
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: my first couple of rounds as well, but found some

893
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: great form and I feel like I probably let myself

894
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: down a little bit, not believing potentially like it was

895
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: almost good enough to make the fourth round, but at

896
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: some point like I was better than that, but I

897
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: never kind of through that. Even I made two fourth

898
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,919
Speaker 2: rounds at the SHOWN Open as well in singles, and

899
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 2: we'd kind of get to that point and then I

900
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 2: would almost feel like, but sometimes that's not good enough.

901
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: And I think that's what I learned a little bit

902
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: in some matches that you should be disappointed when you

903
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: come off and you've you know, lost matches that are winnable,

904
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: not because someone's ranked higher, you have. I had opportunities,

905
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: I guess in that match to take, which I didn't.

906
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: So when I look back, it's, yeah, those matches you

907
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 2: kind of wish I just had that moment again.

908
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: And what's the match that you will remember the most

909
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: in your career?

910
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably the Emily maresmo one for me back into that. Yeah, Yeah,

911
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: in my nan it was two thousand and eight, the

912
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 2: roof was closed on Rod Laver Arena. It was packed

913
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand people, and I just will never forget the

914
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: adrenaline of the people supporting me.

915
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: And do you miss that?

916
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: Is that?

917
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: One thing you miss is that?

918
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: Because I always say that sports or tennis or whatever,

919
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 3: professional sports is like it's.

920
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: Like legal drug taking. Yeah, it's like that, It's like

921
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: legal addiction.

922
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard to let go of that adrenaline and

923
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: that feeling of accomplishment.

924
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: Yes, do you miss that at all? You know, I did.

925
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: If you had one thing you.

926
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: Missed, yeah, it's actually probably that. To be honest, I

927
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: missed the competition, and I miss the competing. I don't

928
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: miss the training, and I don't miss the other stuff

929
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: that comes along. But that moment that you're on court

930
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: and you're actually competing against your opponent and you come

931
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,919
Speaker 2: off and you've had a great win, that exhilarating adrenaline,

932
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: whether it even be at a smaller tournament or bigger tournament.

933
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: I do miss that, which is probably why I need

934
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: to pick up a new sport or something like that

935
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: away from tennis. But yeah, I missed probably that the most,

936
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: and my friends obviously. But yeah, other than that, I

937
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: don't miss too much. To be honest with you, what

938
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: are you up to now? So at the moment, I'm

939
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 2: transitioning to try and figure out what I want to do.

940
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a second.

941
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: You have a certificate as a beautician.

942
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: I do, so you you didn't want to use that?

943
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

944
00:40:59,080 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to do it.

945
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: One No, I don't feel like doing mannies and petties

946
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: all day. But I definitely am trying to work out

947
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: what I.

948
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: Want to do. It works my eyebrows or pluck them.

949
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could do a lot with your stuck with you. No,

950
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 2: you're looking good for your age. But yeah, No, I

951
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: don't exactly know what I want to do, but I'm

952
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: trying a lot of different things. I'm doing some work

953
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 2: within our federation at Australia. I'll do some TV work

954
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: of January. I'm just gonna, I guess, do a few

955
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,959
Speaker 2: things and see what I like, see what I'm good at.

956
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: I know what you're not good at. What's that could

957
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: be the one of the worst golfers I've ever seen?

958
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: Yes, anyone seeing me post videos of myself like golf.

959
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: But I'm having a go. I'm try and get out them.

960
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: Amanda brought me some lessons for Mother's Day that I

961
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: want to take advantage of. So I'm going to improve.

962
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: That's one thing I do want to get better at golf. Yeah, golf,

963
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: because I'm pretty bad.

964
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: A bit less stressful on the body than tennis.

965
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and you can have a beer after the

966
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 2: ninth pole and.

967
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: Something to look forward to after the ninth hole.

968
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about on the way? Yeah, that's more your style.

969
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: Oh, you don't have to tell anybody about that, but anyway,

970
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 3: it's it was always such a pleasure to be around

971
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: you on tour. I miss you on the tour, that's

972
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 3: for sure, because you do have a camaraderie with certain

973
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 3: people on tour. And it's not necessarily because you're an aussy.

974
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: It's just you're always that person in the locker room

975
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: and there's so can I see actually who your your

976
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: idols were, Like, if there's one player that you looked

977
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: up to the most that you could have emulated.

978
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: Well, I guess as a player when I was like

979
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: coming up, I would always tend to look to the

980
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: lefties a little bit. So yeah, like I would always

981
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: see like there wasn't many around there. Seems like there's

982
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: a lot more lefties now, but you know back years ago,

983
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: there was very few. So I look at like a

984
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 2: Patti Schneeder even she used a heavy forehand. I's trying

985
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 2: to do that a little bit and say those players.

986
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: But when you talk about having role models or friends,

987
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 2: I would always and this is not just to pump

988
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: up your tires, but I would look up to more

989
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 2: the Aussie girls like you are, Leisha Molly, those girls

990
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: that for me that I felt like I could go

991
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 2: to and I hope that continues through the next generation

992
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: of Australian players where they feel That's what I always

993
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: tried to do with the younger girls and pass on

994
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 2: what I guess you guys taught me was so that

995
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: the Assie girls on tour felt like they could have

996
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 2: someone they could talk to. If they wanted to practice,

997
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: they could ask me. And I've always been very conscious

998
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: of how difficult it can be in the struggle, so

999
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: I've tried to do that with our younger girls. But yeah,

1000
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: I would always look like I would find comfort in

1001
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: knowing that I had my Aussie friends on tour, particularly

1002
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: you and Alisha. I think was always very comforting on

1003
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 2: tour because it's hard. It's a hard sport, so yeah,

1004
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: that was always they were probably yeah things that I

1005
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: always a still here. Don't talk about me in the

1006
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: past today, but anyway, okay, so case, thanks for joining me,

1007
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: and I know you on the road a little bit

1008
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: doing the Tennis Australia sort of stuff from player relations

1009
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 2: things and you're trying to figure out the next step,

1010
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: which is always a little difficult, ye, but I know

1011
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: that you'll find a way and I love you to

1012
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: death and what you.

1013
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: Get is truly what you see with you.

1014
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,959
Speaker 3: And so for everybody out there that's going to listen

1015
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: to this podcast, Casey truly is who you think she is.

1016
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: So thanks for joining.

1017
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: Me, no worries, Thanks so much for having me. It

1018
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: was great, chat, was.

1019
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: Glad you didn't tell too many of my darks.

1020
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 2: Was all good. Thanks so much, all right, love you,

1021
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: Thanks bye.

1022
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 4: And that's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast.

1023
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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.

1024
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: Our host is Renee Stubbs.

1025
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 4: Our co host and producer is me Keaitland Thompson. Music

1026
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Speaker 4: by internationally renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong. Thanks to Tim Rogerry

1027
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1028
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,879
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1029
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1030
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Speaker 2: Yeah