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Speaker 1: to get to. I'm knew, we scrugs, longtime Cowboys reporter,
Speaker 1: joined by two former Dallas Cowboys safeties, Barry Church and
Speaker 1: Danny McCray. All Right, fellas a lot going on. Can
Speaker 1: we start with free agency? Is that good by you guys?
Speaker 1: That's good with your boy? Whatever knew he wants, whatever
Speaker 1: knew he wants. I'm all in. Cowboys is not happy.
Speaker 1: Cowboy Nation wants moves. Cowboy Nation sees what the Patriots
Speaker 1: are doing and they want to see that happen here.
Speaker 1: And a part of me is laughing because what do
Speaker 1: we see written midway through every season? Hey, everybody who
Speaker 1: ran out there the first week of free agency, these
Speaker 1: deals aren't as good as they thought. You know, don't
Speaker 1: do it. And you used to hear people say the
Speaker 1: Patriots they understand how to do it right. They don't
Speaker 1: go out here the first week of free agency. They
Speaker 1: let everybody else go. Well, then the Patriots run out
Speaker 1: here first week of freec Yeah, see great job, Bill,
Speaker 1: look at what they're doing. I'm just trying to understand
Speaker 1: how should this go. Guys, what do we believe. Do
Speaker 1: we believe bad money spent free agency the first week
Speaker 1: or not? I don't. I think it depends on the player.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think there's good money they can be
Speaker 1: spent in the first week of free agency. And we're
Speaker 1: gonna give Bill Belichick a pass because he is the
Speaker 1: great Bill Belichick said, We're just going to assume that
Speaker 1: he knows exactly what he's doing, especially since he didn't
Speaker 1: have anything to work with last year. But there are
Speaker 1: some guys who go out there and spend too much money.
Speaker 1: Jerry would tell you that he went out there and
Speaker 1: got Brandon Car for fifty million dollars and he overpaid
Speaker 1: for him. But ever since then he's been a little gunshot.
Speaker 1: So I think that there were some moves that we
Speaker 1: could have made. I was looking at Patrick Peterson thinking
Speaker 1: we can get a veteran corner out there or making
Speaker 1: some type of splash on the d line. But I
Speaker 1: guess we're gonna wait to the draft for that. So
Speaker 1: Jerry's gonna stick to his guns and just and just
Speaker 1: wait it out. Yeah, I think he's gonna gonna wait
Speaker 1: it out. And then well, first let me address the
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, the great Bill Belichick. I don't know how
Speaker 1: great he's been. All Right, my boy Tom Brady left
Speaker 1: and everything off the cliff. If we look at his
Speaker 1: draft record, I mean, I'm not sure. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: he don't two players Brady and Gronkowski. So I'm not
Speaker 1: sure about the Great Bill Belichick. But back to the question, Um, look,
Speaker 1: I think I think the Cowboys, man, if we if
Speaker 1: we watched their track record ever since, like Danny McCrae
Speaker 1: just stated, ever since you know, we paid b car,
Speaker 1: we haven't made that big splash in free agency. And
Speaker 1: I feel like their philosophy is, you know, groom from
Speaker 1: within and pay your guys that you draft from within.
Speaker 1: Has it always worked out? No? But the free agent
Speaker 1: class we had last year when we went out there
Speaker 1: and we did a little bargain shop and we did
Speaker 1: a little here, in a little bit of there, they
Speaker 1: were terrible. I mean, Jerry, every single free agent that
Speaker 1: we brought to the team, half of them were cut
Speaker 1: before even the season started. So for Cowboys, they should
Speaker 1: to go out there and say, hey, let's plunge, just plunge,
Speaker 1: let's plunge. I mean, look at our track with do
Speaker 1: we want to spend fifty million on something and ended
Speaker 1: up being a bus Then we're really in the hole.
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm gonna continue to ride with the
Speaker 1: with the Joneses have been doing these past couple of years.
Speaker 1: Built from within. There are some moves out there and
Speaker 1: free agency that I would like to see the Cowboys make,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure they would like. I said that
Speaker 1: free safety position, to me is one of the top
Speaker 1: priorities that we gotta get after. And there's plenty of
Speaker 1: free safety free agents out there that will not break
Speaker 1: the bank. I've named the couple already on this show
Speaker 1: to Sean Gibson Trey Boston. There's plenty of options out
Speaker 1: there that can help this defense, and they're bargains and
Speaker 1: they're very solid players. So for the free agents that
Speaker 1: we've gotten already so far on this defensive line. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you, I haven't really heard a
Speaker 1: lot about those guys, but hopefully they can come in
Speaker 1: here and provide some depth or provide some pop for
Speaker 1: this defense, because we know we know we needed. But
Speaker 1: going back to the question, I just feel like the
Speaker 1: Jones is on. They've been doing a pretty good job
Speaker 1: these past couple of years as far as fielding a team.
Speaker 1: I know last year was kind of that, you know,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna throw that away because that WHO free
Speaker 1: agent class was terrible. But I'm gonna ride with them
Speaker 1: and hopefully they can get some more guys defense to help.
Speaker 1: So so, so tell me this would you have liked
Speaker 1: to see? Listen? Because I know you guys are all
Speaker 1: on the Alabama cornerback and all that. It's two guys.
Speaker 1: It's two guys out there, all right. I think I
Speaker 1: think that's a good bargain price for Patrick Peterson and
Speaker 1: Kyle Fuller just became available on the market. If I'm
Speaker 1: looking at guys who I would pick, I would have
Speaker 1: taken over the unknown of certain in the first round.
Speaker 1: I would have gave these two guys a shot. I
Speaker 1: think that would have been something where you could make
Speaker 1: a splash in free agency, and you don't go out
Speaker 1: there and spend fifty million dollars on a guy. You
Speaker 1: go out there and sign until one year deal, so
Speaker 1: kind of like you did Quinn and see how it
Speaker 1: works for one year. I would love to have fully.
Speaker 1: I would love to have him on this squad. But
Speaker 1: when we were talking in our group text, I knew it.
Speaker 1: He made a great point that I think he's gonna be.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a lot of suitors out there,
Speaker 1: and I think his price is just gonna keep rising
Speaker 1: and rising as people compete for his services. But I
Speaker 1: would love to have him. I think he's a very
Speaker 1: solid corner out there. He's a pro bowler, all pro
Speaker 1: and he seems like a great leader. He was in Chicago.
Speaker 1: So I would love to have him, Just not sure
Speaker 1: he can. We can we can afford that man? So
Speaker 1: so would you have paid the Tim Meal for Patrick
Speaker 1: Peterson without a doubt, Without a doubt, I mean, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have did that movie? Oh easy? Let me hear why,
Speaker 1: Let me hear why? I dude? And it's one one
Speaker 1: Because Dak Prescott got signed and you start looking at
Speaker 1: how many people are making big money under this cap.
Speaker 1: You aren't going to be able to go out here
Speaker 1: and spend ten million dollars, especially on an older player.
Speaker 1: What you're trying to do, You're not going to Nieman Marcus.
Speaker 1: You're you're trying not to be at five below like
Speaker 1: you were last year's shop, because five below was definitely
Speaker 1: five below. You're trying to figure out, how can I
Speaker 1: get here to TJ Max? And Patrick Peterson is not
Speaker 1: a TJ Max guy. Patrick Peterson, so so we could Hey, baby,
Speaker 1: I didn't spend many a dollar TJ Max. Baby, I
Speaker 1: like TJ Max. But so so you're trying. This is
Speaker 1: where the cowboys are the first week or free agency.
Speaker 1: You shopping at the nice big box store. They can't
Speaker 1: do that, so we try. We gotta go over here
Speaker 1: to the shopping mall, to the shopping center, and this
Speaker 1: is where the cowboys are going to be. If Kyle
Speaker 1: Fuller somehow can land in that spot, then maybe the
Speaker 1: cowboys can do something. But Patrick Peterson was not going
Speaker 1: to be a guy they were gonna be able to
Speaker 1: get the TJ Max Church Church Church. Do you remember
Speaker 1: maybe a few months ago my man knew he was
Speaker 1: throwing numbers out there for all the Smith talking about
Speaker 1: three years, talking about nine million dollars a year, you know,
Speaker 1: and now you're talking about you can't get Patrick Peterson
Speaker 1: for ten and you you're looking at all that Smith.
Speaker 1: They could have found a way to make it work
Speaker 1: with Patrick Peterson. They could have got them on nor
Speaker 1: strooms and they would have been fine. We know, we
Speaker 1: know these teams know how to make stuff work with
Speaker 1: cap the car caps imaginary. Where did I end up
Speaker 1: with Aldon Smith? We were just talking about free agencies
Speaker 1: two weeks ago with guys. I just know when you started.
Speaker 1: I just know where you started. When did I finished?
Speaker 1: I know where I mean. Listen, after you played like that,
Speaker 1: of course you're gonna finish finished that way. But I'm saying, okay,
Speaker 1: we go to play better than you. Okay, So so
Speaker 1: there you go. Now now that you're here, now that
Speaker 1: it's money paying time, I'm putting my check book away.
Speaker 1: All talked, little talking. So I hadn't changed my mind.
Speaker 1: You you know, as Bill Parcels used to say when
Speaker 1: he coached the Cowboys, I reserved the right to change
Speaker 1: my mind. I have changed my mind. It is time
Speaker 1: to go. It plus you got a new defensive scheme.
Speaker 1: So at this time we didn't think Mike Nolan was
Speaker 1: gonna get fired. We think the Cowboys be six and
Speaker 1: ten and everything would blow up and the hot Boys
Speaker 1: and be cold Boys. But it happened, so Alder Smith
Speaker 1: got to go Danny all right, Well, Patrick Peters, I
Speaker 1: know I'm not telling that Patrick Peters. So I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you that Patrick Peterson is not a player that
Speaker 1: could have helped the Cowboys. I'm just telling you, by
Speaker 1: the way the Cowboys has spent their money and with
Speaker 1: this Dak Prescott deal, he was going to be too
Speaker 1: much for them. They're still trying to now go to
Speaker 1: TJ Max to get them Nikes, but you're not trying
Speaker 1: to get them nikes at that price tag that you
Speaker 1: gotta get at the higher store. That's all I'm saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is where you're at the now, Well Kyle Fuller
Speaker 1: get there. I don't think Kyle Fuller will get into
Speaker 1: the TJ Max category for the Cowboys, so I'd like
Speaker 1: to see the player here. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: can work out something creative. There's so many teams that
Speaker 1: have cap issues that maybe maybe the Cowboys can get
Speaker 1: lucky enough to get the player, but they definitely weren't
Speaker 1: going to get Patrick Peterson, whose agent was smart enough
Speaker 1: to say, hey, let's strike as soon as free agency hits.
Speaker 1: Don't wait because the longer you wait, the money drives up.
Speaker 1: Cow Fuller's getting more money than Patrick Peterson on the market.
Speaker 1: I agree he should. I agree. That's why I don't like.
Speaker 1: I said, I like the player, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they can afford the player. They're going to try to
Speaker 1: see if the player's price comes down. This is what
Speaker 1: the game they're playing right now as an organization, and
Speaker 1: I don't think that it will. I think the problem
Speaker 1: is we're over here shopping at TJ. Max Man when
Speaker 1: we need to be giving a little bit of Macy's
Speaker 1: or dealer's love. I think that's what we need to
Speaker 1: be going towards. We're not at the north Ship level yet,
Speaker 1: we're not at the neeble markets, but we can get
Speaker 1: some some may see some dealers in there. We can
Speaker 1: get some deals like that in there. Yeah, something something,
Speaker 1: because we're bringing in nothing but you know, no disrespect,
Speaker 1: but we're bringing in guys that you know, backup, guys,
Speaker 1: back up and why and why are you doing that? Okay,
Speaker 1: and why are you doing that? You don't have enough
Speaker 1: money to go to Macy's. Yeah, that's true, you clearly
Speaker 1: and you don't have enough money. This was going to
Speaker 1: be in church. You talked about it when it first
Speaker 1: you hit it. Yeah, oh yeah. Moving on from Dak,
Speaker 1: this was what the cost was going to be. The
Speaker 1: Patriots can spend all this money because they've got all
Speaker 1: this money under the cap. The Cowboys don't have it.
Speaker 1: When you look at who they're paying Dak Prescott, Zekiel Elliott,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, Tyrnn Smith, Lord, you've got big contracts. So
Speaker 1: this is why you going to TJ max. Your budget
Speaker 1: is limited. Okay, what's that? What's Dax's cap hit this year?
Speaker 1: Twenty It was it twenty two, twenty two. Come, so
Speaker 1: you got a twenty two million dollars cap hit and
Speaker 1: you're talking about because Dack signed the deal. That's why
Speaker 1: we can't go go go shop at Norse rooms. That
Speaker 1: I think that's that was a great decision for them,
Speaker 1: and they actually saved them some bread to go out
Speaker 1: there and make some moves. We would looking at we
Speaker 1: were looking at thirty, we were looking at thirty seven. Okay,
Speaker 1: and you're right, Danny, But at the same time, you
Speaker 1: still don't have all this this thought process that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and the press conference I was at was trying
Speaker 1: to tell you, hey, we got enough pie to go
Speaker 1: out here and build a competitive defense and team around
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. That that did not include them jumping out
Speaker 1: the first week of free agency. I think they're still
Speaker 1: going to make moves, but you're not going to see
Speaker 1: first week free agency dollars where you're sitting here singing that,
Speaker 1: hey we got Patrick Peterson on one year, ten million
Speaker 1: dollars deal. They're not doing that. I just feel like
Speaker 1: that was cheap. I feel I feel like the ten
Speaker 1: I feel like ten millis for one on the player,
Speaker 1: like that is cheap. Oh but but clearly they didn't
Speaker 1: so that you know, so that that's the that's that's
Speaker 1: the reality you have to live in, is that they
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that was what they needed. Now and
Speaker 1: this is something I don't know. This would be great
Speaker 1: if we could have a conversation, what does dan Quinn
Speaker 1: want in the quarter? Does dan Quinn want what Patrick
Speaker 1: Peterson brings? Clearly Mike Zimmer does, But that there in
Speaker 1: lies another question there um and seeing where they get
Speaker 1: to here in week two, and I think, if I'm
Speaker 1: a Cowboy fan, come off this whole premise and dog
Speaker 1: on it. They're not doing anything. I want them to
Speaker 1: do something. Here. Just understand where you gotta go shopping, baby, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're not going to the We're not going to the
Speaker 1: store you want to go to. We gotta break you
Speaker 1: on down. You can get good deals to TJ Max.
Speaker 1: And that's where the cowboys are letting you know. This
Speaker 1: is where they've been shopping. They ain't changing, baby. They
Speaker 1: got the credit card to the TJ Max. Now they
Speaker 1: got a credit card. And this is where you go
Speaker 1: church church. When the last time you've been to TJ Max? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know I was over there yesterday give some some
Speaker 1: kids supplies, you know, supplies for the I was nt
Speaker 1: Max get I had. I had a little card getting
Speaker 1: it in I was. I was shopping. I had a
Speaker 1: little receipt list from TJ Max. Even nowhere it is
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Speaker 1: Danny McCray Perry Church. I'm knew, he shrugs, all right,
Speaker 1: McCray Church played for the Cowboys safety position. I'm just
Speaker 1: the old Cowboys reporter. Let's talk about a couple of
Speaker 1: guys at the Cowboys did make some moves on the
Speaker 1: free agency. They retake Jordan Lewis. Jordan Lewis the slot corner,
Speaker 1: three year, sixteen point five million dollars eight and a
Speaker 1: half million UM guaranteed, played in sixty one of sixty
Speaker 1: six possible games, thirteen stars in twenty twenty. It's basically
Speaker 1: the Anthony Brown. I'll start with you, mccraig. You're good
Speaker 1: with this. You're good with this. Listen, I'm good with it.
Speaker 1: It's a little confusing. Um. It makes me a little
Speaker 1: nervous for you guys in that certain pick because I'm like,
Speaker 1: now they got they got three guys out there. Uh.
Speaker 1: I see Jordan Lewis as being a better slot corner
Speaker 1: than Anthony Brown, so maybe they'll pump bump him outside
Speaker 1: and make him compete with whoever they ended up drafting.
Speaker 1: But you know, I've been saying this all along. I
Speaker 1: think that the defensive coordinator really set these guys back,
Speaker 1: because last two years ago, as we were watching Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: I thought that he was prepared to be one of
Speaker 1: the best slot corners in the league. He you see
Speaker 1: his instincts, you can see his quickness, you can see
Speaker 1: him making players on the ball, and then all that
Speaker 1: just kind of left last year. So I think with
Speaker 1: a new new coaching staff, new new scheme, new techniques,
Speaker 1: and getting back to the basics, I think he'll he'll
Speaker 1: show that he's worth what they paid him this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this this move right here from me, it was a headscratcher.
Speaker 1: It was a headscratcher because, like you said, they basically
Speaker 1: got two nickel corners. They're paying two nickel corners top
Speaker 1: nickel not top nickel money, but good nickel money. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis, who are both
Speaker 1: prototypical Nickels as far as body, stature, quicks, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: They're the same player. And we've seen Anthony Brown transition
Speaker 1: from the nickel to the outside corner with not that
Speaker 1: great success. So if you're dual, if you're paying both
Speaker 1: of those guys and they play the same position, I
Speaker 1: don't see one of those guys going out to the outside.
Speaker 1: I just don't see it. They don't have the body type.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're not good enough to do it,
Speaker 1: but they just don't have the physical body type to
Speaker 1: go out there and compete with the taller corner or
Speaker 1: the taller receivers like the AJ Greens of the World's
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So I see them both being
Speaker 1: the same type of player. So I for you to
Speaker 1: have both guys getting paid that much money in the
Speaker 1: same position, that's a head scratcher to me. Nothing against
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis because, like McCrae said, I think he was
Speaker 1: going to be one of the most prototypical nickels, and
Speaker 1: he was a ball magnet the year before last, in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, he was a ball magnet. This year he
Speaker 1: took a kind of a dip, But a lot of
Speaker 1: that people are saying is due to the Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: system and a lot of these guys didn't know what
Speaker 1: they were doing out there, so hopefully he can get
Speaker 1: back to that ball magnet type of play. But like
Speaker 1: I said, it was a head scratcher because you already
Speaker 1: got that guy Anthony Brown, and they have the same
Speaker 1: similar skill set. I thought we could have used those
Speaker 1: dollars somewhere else, maybe gotten a K one short on
Speaker 1: the defensive line or something like that, but we ended
Speaker 1: up going with George Lewis, which I found it as
Speaker 1: a head scratcher. And hopefully we still go after Certain,
Speaker 1: but if we, I mean, if we don't, we still
Speaker 1: got those three guys sitting there, and I just I
Speaker 1: just don't see that as being a solid three corner,
Speaker 1: you know, cornerback group. You know, I seek we have
Speaker 1: a great or not a great, but we have a
Speaker 1: developing outside guy in Diggs. We have two good nickel
Speaker 1: corners and Brown and Lewis, but we still don't have
Speaker 1: that outside piece. And if you bring in Certain, that's
Speaker 1: just a lot of money in that secondary room for
Speaker 1: not a lot of proven players. And you know, it
Speaker 1: was a head scratcher to me. All Right, this is good.
Speaker 1: I like the conversation and I love the conversation where
Speaker 1: this is going. So let me kind of play Devil's
Speaker 1: advocate and then you guys can shoot it down. Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown is on a three year deal, so this will
Speaker 1: be year two of the three year deal. So that
Speaker 1: third year you may decide you want to move on
Speaker 1: from Brown, and then you've got Lewis. Than by signing Lewis,
Speaker 1: you kind of give yourself all right, we've got two
Speaker 1: guys here, they're placeholders. We got three corners. If you
Speaker 1: draft another guy, Let's say it's Sir Tanner Farley at
Speaker 1: ten and who knows, maybe you could somehow magically find
Speaker 1: Kyle Fuller looking real good at the TJ Maxisle. You
Speaker 1: could possibly get him and then have the whole different
Speaker 1: looking type of cornerback big. But right now, just here
Speaker 1: we are, you know, just a couple of days after
Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Day. Isn't it almost like an insurance policy? Says,
Speaker 1: see an insurance policy. They say, hey, look, we can
Speaker 1: get George Lewis on an Anthony Brown deal, which looks
Speaker 1: better for us, and we'll kind of figure to Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown deal out later, but we can still if we
Speaker 1: want to add to this dB room. But just a
Speaker 1: free agency right now. And we look at how the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have operated. George Lewis is a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: and going back to what you said, Danny Echoes what
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones was saying at that press conference for Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: He said, we have players here that Dan Quinn can
Speaker 1: work with. There's talent to work with. He clearly feels
Speaker 1: that George Lewis was a guy who underperformed under Mike Nolan, who,
Speaker 1: in their own kind way didn't say this. Dude didn't
Speaker 1: know what he was doing. If Richard Sherman still out there, sorry, Church, Yes,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go ahead. Bro. Is Richard Sherman still out
Speaker 1: there as a free agent, because I know he played
Speaker 1: under Dan Quinn and you're looking for a veteran and
Speaker 1: you're looking for something on the TJ. Maxwell, he might
Speaker 1: be in that price range as he's looking for places
Speaker 1: to go. So, you know, I wouldn't throw that out
Speaker 1: there because, like I said, you know, defensive coordinators are
Speaker 1: always looking for leaders who were in their previous in
Speaker 1: their previous scheme that could make things happen. So be
Speaker 1: on the lookout for Richard Sherman and to talk to him.
Speaker 1: Heating up coming to the Cowboys and look and Lewis,
Speaker 1: I would agree. I would agree with your point about,
Speaker 1: you know, having a placeholder and having guys for the future,
Speaker 1: because you know, after guaranteed money is up with a Brown,
Speaker 1: I see, unless he has, you know, a spectacular season,
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna move on from him, and then you
Speaker 1: can insert jun George Lewis right there, and I would
Speaker 1: agree with that. If we had the luxury of having
Speaker 1: a great front seven, Like if we had a great
Speaker 1: front seven already and we were just like, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's add some depth for future reference and all that
Speaker 1: other stuff, I would definitely agree with you. But we
Speaker 1: just have so many other needs right now to go
Speaker 1: ahead and pay two slot corners. I just don't I
Speaker 1: don't understand that. I feel like we could have used
Speaker 1: those dollars elsewhere. But you know, hey, the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: free agency, we know it adds up in the air. Man. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's keep rolling here and I'll throw this out here.
Speaker 1: We talk about injuries and a possible seventeenth game could
Speaker 1: be added to the schedule. That's out there. So having
Speaker 1: you know, having some depth in the in the defensive
Speaker 1: backfield is not a bad deal. Now, I come back
Speaker 1: to what you just said here Church spending money up front.
Speaker 1: Who is the guy in free agency that you said, Man,
Speaker 1: they should have went and got this player up front
Speaker 1: that they could also afford at the time before we
Speaker 1: got Jordan Lewis. I just want to depending on what
Speaker 1: the Dominican wanted. Man, we still haven't herited or any
Speaker 1: numbers on what the dominicanid have wanted in free Actually,
Speaker 1: he's still out there. He's still out There's a K
Speaker 1: one short still out there, and I feel like those dollars,
Speaker 1: I feel like they could have went to those players
Speaker 1: or potential players that could get after the quarterback. And
Speaker 1: I think we need that more than anything. We both
Speaker 1: talked about this on the last episode in previous episodes,
Speaker 1: or how we would build a defense from the front
Speaker 1: to back, and from right now, from what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are doing, it's looking like they're putting more emphasis on
Speaker 1: the back end, and they're putting more emphasis on guys
Speaker 1: that haven't really done much in the in the NFL yet.
Speaker 1: I could see if these guys were just automatic ball
Speaker 1: hawks and just lightened it up, if they were the
Speaker 1: Legion of Boom, Yes, bring all those guys back, But
Speaker 1: these guys struggled a lot last year, and we struggled
Speaker 1: a lot more up in the front of our defense
Speaker 1: last year. So I feel like we should have put
Speaker 1: allocated more dollars toward that, injecting more funds into that
Speaker 1: defensive line than going ahead and showing our back in
Speaker 1: before that. But it's not all. That's just my pros over.
Speaker 1: It's not let's take a break. Let's take a break
Speaker 1: and I something you said about sue just maybe treating this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I gotta say this. So let's take a
Speaker 1: break right here. We gotta pay, we gotta pay the bills,
Speaker 1: and uh, we'll be back to talk about I domic
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys safeties, Barry Church and Danny mccraig. So we've
Speaker 1: been talking about free agency in the Cowboys. Oh, basically
Speaker 1: taking care of a little bit of the back end.
Speaker 1: Now they take care of some of the front end.
Speaker 1: All right, So yesterday three defensive linemen were signed. You
Speaker 1: had Carlos Watkins coming from Houston on a one year deal.
Speaker 1: Brent Urban defensive end slash defensive tackle coming over from
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears, and defensive Endrell Bash him two year deal,
Speaker 1: six million dollars twenty seven three and a half sacks
Speaker 1: last year he was with the Jets. Church, I would
Speaker 1: love to see in Dominican Sue here. The issue for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys is his first preference for what's being reported,
Speaker 1: is to play in Tampa again. But Tampa is trying
Speaker 1: to resign players and get guys back, and they've done that,
Speaker 1: which makes me start to wonder is there enough money
Speaker 1: for Sue who come to come back to Tampa. And
Speaker 1: if I'm the Cowboys, the longer this goes, I think,
Speaker 1: the bigger the possibility that you could make that phone
Speaker 1: call to Sue and get in on it. But also,
Speaker 1: Sue's a guy who likes his money, So by saving
Speaker 1: a little bit of the powder, maybe you can go
Speaker 1: ahead and get an impact guy. He just have to
Speaker 1: be a little bit you have to be a little
Speaker 1: bit patient here. And while Cowboy fans don't want to
Speaker 1: hear it, I'm still thinking a guy like Sue could
Speaker 1: be a possibility. Church, I'm still thinking that I would
Speaker 1: love it. I would love it if he was able
Speaker 1: to come out here, because he just brings that nasty
Speaker 1: just in your fan doesn't care who he's playing against.
Speaker 1: You saw when he in the NSC Championship. He was
Speaker 1: throwing Rodgers around and letting him hear about it after
Speaker 1: every play. That's the type of guys you want to
Speaker 1: go to battle with on a defensive line. But let
Speaker 1: me go ahead and throw another name out there that
Speaker 1: you know he might be available because he hasn't produced
Speaker 1: in the past couple of years. But this guy has
Speaker 1: a heck of a talent and that's that's just y
Speaker 1: beyond clowney. I mean, look, he hasn't produced them, so
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna throw a lot of them.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna get garner a lot of
Speaker 1: money out there. But look, if this guy is hungry,
Speaker 1: we've seen him make plays in the past. I know
Speaker 1: we got Randy Gregory, I know we got d Law
Speaker 1: out there, so that's the only thing. That's the only
Speaker 1: problem he would be taking snaps from one of those guys.
Speaker 1: But overall, I mean, if he can come on a
Speaker 1: team friendly deal, don't think we should kick the tires
Speaker 1: on that. No good I'm going I'm going against it,
Speaker 1: mainly because, like you said, we got first of all,
Speaker 1: letting nui tell it, we have no money at all
Speaker 1: to do anything. I don't think. I don't think Jadavian
Speaker 1: Clowney is a TJ max player either. But I really
Speaker 1: really do believe that if you keep Randy Gregory, you know,
Speaker 1: keep his mind right, keep him you know, in tune
Speaker 1: with the game, and keep him out of trouble, I
Speaker 1: think that he has the potential to hold down that
Speaker 1: right side of the defensive line and I don't think
Speaker 1: you want to mess that up by bringing somebody like
Speaker 1: Clowney in. And I think our biggest problem number two
Speaker 1: was the interior. I know, we went out there and
Speaker 1: got three three guys, and like I said, mainly they
Speaker 1: had been backup players, hadn't started the full season for
Speaker 1: the majority of those guys. So I think you really
Speaker 1: need to make that flash thing. So whatever money you
Speaker 1: can get out there to put towards Sue. And then,
Speaker 1: you know, I hate to say this, but in the
Speaker 1: d have you need to find a guy. You got
Speaker 1: to find a guy because you know what we went
Speaker 1: out here and got in free agency just isn't isn't
Speaker 1: what's gonna save us from being the worst run team
Speaker 1: in the league. We really need some guys with some
Speaker 1: names and that soon leadership and that nastiness. I think
Speaker 1: that will really work for us. So let me let
Speaker 1: me just throw this scenario here, because it seems where
Speaker 1: this is heading. The Cowboys sit out the first week,
Speaker 1: so they're not shopping, they're not shopping big the first week.
Speaker 1: But they come back the second week and they signed
Speaker 1: some good players to some good deals which fit and
Speaker 1: work for them because guys are teams are starting to
Speaker 1: run out of money, and so you start to look
Speaker 1: at the Cowboys and the thing that they can sell
Speaker 1: to a whole lot of free agencies. This there's no
Speaker 1: state taxes here, and we've got our quarterback. We got
Speaker 1: our quarterback back, and we feel like we're going in
Speaker 1: the right direction. Back to me, is gonna be Jerry.
Speaker 1: Can Jerry be the salesman here? So if this is
Speaker 1: where they go with this, mccraig, can you live with it?
Speaker 1: Can you be all right? If that? You know, you
Speaker 1: let Jerry kind of play this thing out a little
Speaker 1: bit better and be so much better at Sony free
Speaker 1: agents this year because you've got Quinn coming in here
Speaker 1: running a better skin. Thoughts. Absolutely, I'll be okay with
Speaker 1: it one because I listen, there's a sword I'm gonna
Speaker 1: die on. I'm climbing this hill and I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: dan Quinn is in there. He's making these decisions, and
Speaker 1: he's going to get the best guys available for him
Speaker 1: that they can afford. So I believe dan Quinn is
Speaker 1: gonna make this happen. I believe second week, third week,
Speaker 1: whatever week it is, he's going to pinpoint his guy
Speaker 1: who he needs on his team to be that leader
Speaker 1: and be his voice in that locker room and get
Speaker 1: these guys right. So I'm okay with it. What I
Speaker 1: have loved to see, like I said, a big splash
Speaker 1: at corner, a big splash at defensive tackle, big splash
Speaker 1: of safety. Of course I would love to see it.
Speaker 1: But I said, I believe in dan Quinn. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna he's gonna make this thing happen. LUI let
Speaker 1: me tell you something, man eight and eight in seven
Speaker 1: and written all over it right now. I mean it's
Speaker 1: all over the chalkboard right now. I mean, look, we
Speaker 1: got dan Quick coming in here and mccraig. He's a
Speaker 1: part of the crew man that they think Quinn is
Speaker 1: gonna come in here and just shape these players and
Speaker 1: turn this one of the historically bad defenses into one
Speaker 1: of the best defenses. We have a bargain shopping and
Speaker 1: not that. So I just don't I don't really personally,
Speaker 1: I don't believe Dan Quinn can do that for these players.
Speaker 1: I think this guys is a good defensive coordinator, but
Speaker 1: I think he needs his tools. As we saw him
Speaker 1: in Seattle, he had those players to kind of make
Speaker 1: that defense come alive. I'm not sure he can do
Speaker 1: that with the cupboard of tools he has right now
Speaker 1: in Dallas. And as we continue to bargain shop, I
Speaker 1: know it's not over yet. I know free agency is
Speaker 1: not over yet. But if we continue this trend of
Speaker 1: just bargain shopping and getting these dollar general no disrespect,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say dollar TJ Max apologizegize, did not
Speaker 1: mean that that was disrespectaful apple. Oh. If we keep
Speaker 1: going down this bargain shopping road, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: don't see us turning around. I just see an office,
Speaker 1: you know, putting up all these points. But then eight
Speaker 1: and eight seven nine written all over it to me.
Speaker 1: So last year we saw the Cowboys ink Everson Griffin
Speaker 1: and we fought at the time it would be a
Speaker 1: good signing. One thing that I think we can't all
Speaker 1: agree on is that they ended up getting a player
Speaker 1: with a good reputation at a favorable price for them.
Speaker 1: The year before that, Robert Quinn get a favorable price
Speaker 1: on a player and it ended up turning out correctly
Speaker 1: for them. I am thinking that this is going to
Speaker 1: be that same type of deal where they're going to
Speaker 1: be able to find a player that works for them,
Speaker 1: and several teams in across the league can find some
Speaker 1: players of work for them, such as Patrick Peterson going
Speaker 1: to Minnesota that works for them. So that's to me
Speaker 1: going to be the interesting thing. Can the Cowboys do
Speaker 1: it again? And you know, I give Danny. I believe
Speaker 1: what Danny says here the queenn can get guys in
Speaker 1: a better position because Mike Nolan was so tragically bad
Speaker 1: at being a defensive coordinator and that the Jones has
Speaker 1: stepped in and there and say hey, here's Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: and you got you got Mike McCarthy rolling along with that. Here.
Speaker 1: Wanted to bring up another topic here about the defense,
Speaker 1: and I saw social media alleged trade talks about Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: receiver of the Cowboys, to New England for Stephan Gilmore.
Speaker 1: Gilmore is being shocked. Gilmore's got one year left at
Speaker 1: seven million dollars. The Patriots probably are not going to
Speaker 1: keep him around. He also, courted in the NFL network,
Speaker 1: wants a new deal. So if you trade for Gilmore,
Speaker 1: he's not going up for just seven million dollars. He
Speaker 1: wants a new deep So your overall opinion fellas on
Speaker 1: gaut for Gilmore? Would you want to do this deal?
Speaker 1: I'll start with you, mister mccraig. No, I listen. I
Speaker 1: really like Gallup. I think he's a really, really important
Speaker 1: part of our offense. He's that guy who can go
Speaker 1: deep and make those those big catches, those the graphs
Speaker 1: like Das Bryant used to make. You don't see Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper making those type of grabs. Ceedee Lamb will eventually
Speaker 1: get there. But if you look at our team over
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, Michael Gallup is that guy
Speaker 1: who can go out for that one on one ball.
Speaker 1: He's our main deep threat. So I really like him
Speaker 1: being on our team, and I don't think that's an
Speaker 1: even trade for us of what we're looking for him
Speaker 1: Stephan Gilmore seven million and gonna be looking for a
Speaker 1: bigger deal. If that's the case, we should have win
Speaker 1: got Patrick Peterson or Kyle Fuller. So Kyle Fuller, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's better options out there for us, and
Speaker 1: they will be cheaper. So that's not a trade that
Speaker 1: I'm willing willing to do. I like our offense in
Speaker 1: a way. It looks right now. Look for me, I
Speaker 1: say no simply because, like you said, Nui, if we
Speaker 1: bring him in here, he's gonna want a new deal.
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know if we do that,
Speaker 1: but if he comes in here, just saying, let's just
Speaker 1: say hypothetically he comes in here, he's on his mercenary.
Speaker 1: I'll take it by one year for seven meal whatever
Speaker 1: I'll play with you guys, I would do it in
Speaker 1: a heartbeat. I would do it just like that if
Speaker 1: he if he came in here and said, I'll play
Speaker 1: that one for seven and then I'll go about my way.
Speaker 1: I'll do it in a heartbeat. I love Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: I love what he brings you. Know he gets those
Speaker 1: fifty fifty balls. He's kind of that deep threat guy,
Speaker 1: has great hands. But but we have so many options
Speaker 1: on the office. I mean, we got Cooper, we got
Speaker 1: Blake Jarmon coming back from Menji, we got Shoult who
Speaker 1: was reliable out there, we got Ceedee Lamb. I mean
Speaker 1: hopefully our full back friend Ezekiel Elliott gets back on track.
Speaker 1: So like, I think, we have so many options out
Speaker 1: there offensively that if we were able to bring a
Speaker 1: solid corner like that in here, oh, I do it
Speaker 1: in a heartbeat. But like you said, Neui, he's gonna
Speaker 1: one a new deal. And that's the reason I would
Speaker 1: say no, hold on, hold on Church, although I can't
Speaker 1: let you go with that one. All right, listen, you
Speaker 1: name Themari Cooper out there, and we all talk about
Speaker 1: to disappearing that you know, in him being in the
Speaker 1: game and not available as much as we hope that
Speaker 1: he is. You said Blake jarr was coming off of
Speaker 1: tour is a ACL right to a CL. He's coming
Speaker 1: off of tourn a CL. So we don't have it.
Speaker 1: You're calling the running back and fullback. So when you
Speaker 1: start listening to weapons that we currently have, it would
Speaker 1: seem like they're a little shaky, and we've seen Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup go out there and change the entire dynamic of
Speaker 1: the game when Amari Cooper isn't really making plays, or
Speaker 1: when Ceedee Lamb was getting double team or not running
Speaker 1: the correct ross. Michael Gallup has been consistent. Out of
Speaker 1: those three guys, out of our top three receivers, who
Speaker 1: who in your opinion, is the least valuable out of
Speaker 1: out of those three Church I'm gonna stop you right
Speaker 1: here and go back to about last week. Okay, go
Speaker 1: back when we spoke about last week. And this is
Speaker 1: not just looking at twenty two twenty one, it's looking
Speaker 1: past this. You saw the Cowboys did not restruct your
Speaker 1: Cooper's deal at all. They restructured Tyre Smith, they restructure
Speaker 1: Zach Martin and Lell Collins. They left Cooper's deal alone.
Speaker 1: What do we know about Cooper's deal after this year
Speaker 1: the guarantees are gone. That it's basically a two year,
Speaker 1: forty million dollars deal. So you can get out of
Speaker 1: Cooper's contract for only six million dollars against the cap.
Speaker 1: So you take that savings, you put it towards Michael
Speaker 1: Gallut and re up him and let Cooper go. So
Speaker 1: that's why I'm not trading Michael gallup because I'd like
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to find the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: keep him long term versus paying Amari Cooper another twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars in twenty twenty one. Because now that you've
Speaker 1: got Dak in here and you see where some of
Speaker 1: these other veterans are going, You're gonna have to find
Speaker 1: some savings somewhere in your football team. So you basically
Speaker 1: have to look at it as you let Cooper go,
Speaker 1: and you can probably see if you can get Gallant
Speaker 1: for ten million dollars a year. That's my take, Church.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing on Cooper in Church. If we
Speaker 1: get if we get Um Gilmore, who are you taking
Speaker 1: at ten? Oh, I go d line in. I go
Speaker 1: d line in if if if we had Gilmore in there,
Speaker 1: we'd have Gilmore a Brown Jay Lou and then we
Speaker 1: got digs on other Yeah, I'm going d line, man,
Speaker 1: I'm going d line for the show. And I'm still
Speaker 1: having I'm still I'm still having a hard time finding
Speaker 1: a top ten D lineman out there. Bingo, Bingo, You're
Speaker 1: not You're trading out at that point in time, you're trading,
Speaker 1: you're trading out. And look, you can still trade out
Speaker 1: now if if, if Bill Belichick is gonna spend all
Speaker 1: this money right now, and the Cam Newton deal is
Speaker 1: full of so many incentence it's basically three and a
Speaker 1: half million dollars guaranteed right now. So that tells me
Speaker 1: that he's not sold on him and Cam Newton while
Speaker 1: back he's looking for a better option. So if the
Speaker 1: Patriots sitting here at fifteen and Bill BELTI, if you're
Speaker 1: gonna go in, go all the way in? Why not
Speaker 1: going up to ten and fifty Cowboys? I go from
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen, and now I got more options, a
Speaker 1: lot more options. And then it's true if you wanted
Speaker 1: to look at taking a defensive lineman Danny, Now maybe
Speaker 1: some of those guys can fit in there, but most
Speaker 1: of all, do you want to bring in an unhappy Gilmore?
Speaker 1: If this guy's like, man, I want to be here
Speaker 1: on a one year deal, then what kind of attitude
Speaker 1: or you're getting? Is that what you want to deal with?
Speaker 1: You guys have been in the room. What is it
Speaker 1: like to get a player who's been a former Defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year who's been a Super Bowl winner,
Speaker 1: who feels like he's underpaid. That's true. I just don't
Speaker 1: see Gilmore being that type of guy. Like I don't
Speaker 1: see him coming in here, you know, being that complainer.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's you never really hear about him, you know,
Speaker 1: being outspoken or anything like that. So I wouldn't you know,
Speaker 1: see him doing that, you know, being all kind of
Speaker 1: I'm on this one year deal. I ain't playing. But
Speaker 1: you never know. When money comes into things, you know,
Speaker 1: people like to change, so if we never know. But
Speaker 1: I don't think the Cowboys will take that deal simply
Speaker 1: because if we do trade him that, he's gonna want
Speaker 1: a new deal and it's gonna cause problems. So it's
Speaker 1: a no overall, but I'd love to see it happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, interesting, let's hit another break here when we
Speaker 1: come back. Um, let's dive into something church you put
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Speaker 1: My problem. I looked at the last word in the
Speaker 1: text the alert set in here it says one player
Speaker 1: or position that Boys still need to go after. So
Speaker 1: I think it was a player or position or players
Speaker 1: that needed to go now. So so I got it wrong.
Speaker 1: But I got three dudes that gotta go. Okay, players
Speaker 1: that need to go. Already brought you Olden Smith. Aldon
Speaker 1: Smith doesn't fit this scheme. Not a dan Quinn guy,
Speaker 1: three to four player, Aldon Smith gotta go. Tyrone Crawford,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, but no injuries too much. Can
Speaker 1: I should have been going two years ago. Tyrone car
Speaker 1: has been going to The Cowboys are the kings of
Speaker 1: keeping dudes two years too long. Shan Lee. I love you,
Speaker 1: I love it, but Shan Lee cannot come back here. Okay.
Speaker 1: I ain't getting sixteen games out of Sean Lee. And people,
Speaker 1: Oh he's a leader. He sit now now you know what,
Speaker 1: somebody else got to lead. Somebody else got to sit
Speaker 1: up here and do something. No, no more shan Lee.
Speaker 1: So those are three guys that the Cowboys need to
Speaker 1: go ahead and say goodbye to. I had a fourth
Speaker 1: guy that was a pun of Chris Jones, but thankfully
Speaker 1: they when they hit rolled him on his little low way,
Speaker 1: and he's good. Another guy that went on his way
Speaker 1: that I was cool with is Cheeto Woozia. And it's
Speaker 1: not a personal thing. I like Cheeto man, I liked
Speaker 1: I like the dude, but it just didn't work here
Speaker 1: the way we thought it would work with him. And
Speaker 1: maybe he finds uh the Cincinnati scheme fits for him,
Speaker 1: and maybe he becomes a better player there. But the
Speaker 1: Cheeto thing was just a disappointment. So those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: two guys gone already. Three other dudes need to be joining.
Speaker 1: But those are five guys for me that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: need to go ahead and move on along and shake hands,
Speaker 1: you say thank you for your service. We wish you will.
Speaker 1: Can you go back, Can you go back and touch
Speaker 1: on that Sean Lee reason for why he should be
Speaker 1: gone injuries. I mean, we're looking at injuries and and
Speaker 1: and I go back to this, the Cowboys specializing keeping
Speaker 1: guys about two years too long. In New England, they'd
Speaker 1: get rid of you a year too early. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: keep you around a year too long. And this has
Speaker 1: been from the time when when when they had guys
Speaker 1: from the nineties where Jerry would just keep him, and
Speaker 1: then they had guys like Mark Colombo and flows, the
Speaker 1: all Adams guys at Doug Free guys that they kept
Speaker 1: two years too long that they needed to move on
Speaker 1: away from. They've got to stop holding on the guys.
Speaker 1: And Danny. One guy here that's gonna be really interesting
Speaker 1: is Tyrn Smith down the road here? How much longer?
Speaker 1: I know you brought it up already, but I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: the way the Cowboys operating, especially the way they like
Speaker 1: to push these contracts and pushing money out, they end
Speaker 1: up keeping dudes too long. But Sean Lee has been
Speaker 1: injured for the last two seasons, last three actually the
Speaker 1: pretty much the bulk of his career. But when you've
Speaker 1: not been able to count on him the past three seasons,
Speaker 1: and it's time to go ahead and move on. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that they kept harping on, and
Speaker 1: people say, hey, many Sean's a great leader, He's this,
Speaker 1: he's that, and Sean is a good dude, and this
Speaker 1: is a guy who I believe could be a very
Speaker 1: good coach one day. But at this point in time
Speaker 1: with Jalen Smith, and you already got Lake Vanderesh. Vanderesh
Speaker 1: has got issue staying on the field. You can't have
Speaker 1: to You can't bring back two dudes who got issue
Speaker 1: staying on the field. You need to move on from
Speaker 1: shan Lee. Look, look, I'm here to say, man, I
Speaker 1: don't disagree with anything you said. I think you hit
Speaker 1: the nail on every free agent that you know that
Speaker 1: you said it needs to go. I mean, we've had
Speaker 1: the examples out there, we all know that. But I
Speaker 1: will say this, this this is where they got it right
Speaker 1: and where I think they got it wrong. I think
Speaker 1: they got it right when they got when they offered CJ,
Speaker 1: you know, his deal, and he took it. So shout
Speaker 1: outs out to CJ. He was one of the best
Speaker 1: special teams not only on the Cowboys, but then in
Speaker 1: the whole entire football league. So I'm glad we were
Speaker 1: able to resign him and bring him back and kind
Speaker 1: of bolster our special teams unit. So I'm glad they
Speaker 1: did it like that. But where they got it wrong? Man,
Speaker 1: Why they have to do the goat like that? I'm
Speaker 1: talking about l all Right, this dude sixteen years been
Speaker 1: one of the most consistent long snappers in the game.
Speaker 1: I don't even think he's ever had a box snap,
Speaker 1: So for me, no, I mean, I feel like he
Speaker 1: had at least a couple more left in him. A
Speaker 1: couple more and they went their own way. So hey,
Speaker 1: I think they did that wrong. But he shouts out
Speaker 1: to signing back CJ because he's one of the best
Speaker 1: special teams and why why do they do it? Though
Speaker 1: knew it because they didn't really save much money by
Speaker 1: letting LP go Like that was really really confusing. I
Speaker 1: understand that coaches come in and they want to bring
Speaker 1: in their own guys, But when you got a guy
Speaker 1: who's been a model of consistency and perform for you
Speaker 1: at the highest level, I don't understand how you just
Speaker 1: want to bring in somebody else so badly and he's
Speaker 1: breaking the bank. Look, I'm all board with what you
Speaker 1: guys are saying. One I'm not happy the LP litis sewer,
Speaker 1: who's always done his job efficiently is gone. But I'll
Speaker 1: go back to the press conference when Jerry Jones sat
Speaker 1: there and said we have a great head coach, a
Speaker 1: great coach, and I was over there in eyside of Jerry.
Speaker 1: I was shaking my head, and then he said, we
Speaker 1: got a fantastic special teams coach. He's all in on
Speaker 1: bones Fossil, So Fossils once again wants to bring in
Speaker 1: another one of his guys. Did they need Legatron? No,
Speaker 1: but that was what who Bones Fossil wanted and they
Speaker 1: said fine. And now he's gonna bring in his long snapper.
Speaker 1: And the only thing I can say is this long
Speaker 1: snapper better be good because the first time he makes
Speaker 1: a mistake, we're gonna go out. I'm gonna be going
Speaker 1: out the Bones Fossil. I won't go after the long snapper.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go after the special teams coach that wanted.
Speaker 1: You better be right for this whole thing, or you
Speaker 1: want your operation, then the operation better sing next year.
Speaker 1: Better be sweet, better be good, bet be better than that.
Speaker 1: I know one thing. They just need to take a
Speaker 1: little bit of power off out of Fossil's hands when
Speaker 1: it comes to calling these fake punts and fake things.
Speaker 1: We've seen too many of those this this year and
Speaker 1: they were all negative. They were all just just bad
Speaker 1: options and head scratching decisions. So I hope we don't
Speaker 1: get into that. But like you said, man, I just
Speaker 1: long snapper. That's that's some big shoes to fill because LP,
Speaker 1: I mean he was a top, he was a top
Speaker 1: of the dogs man. Yeah, And then I want to
Speaker 1: give a shout out to CJ. Man, congratulations on getting
Speaker 1: your deal sign And I hate to be a debut
Speaker 1: downer because I'm really really happy for the DoD But Cowboys, man,
Speaker 1: you just took too long. You should have locked this
Speaker 1: dude up ways sooner, show them how important he is
Speaker 1: to the organization, man, and send a message out there
Speaker 1: that we are finally taking special teams serious. You cut
Speaker 1: one of the best special teams players in the league
Speaker 1: by a cutting LP and then you waited just a
Speaker 1: little bit too long and you risk CJ getting up
Speaker 1: out of here because you never know what could happen
Speaker 1: in free agency. So congratulations to them, But I think
Speaker 1: they should have just moved a little bit faster. And
Speaker 1: that's just a special team's guy in me. I don't
Speaker 1: know in terms of moving faster, in terms of you know,
Speaker 1: just where they're looking at their priority list, in terms
Speaker 1: of you where they're trying to do something deal with
Speaker 1: the Woozi erge, I don't know. But it got done,
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm just looking at at the end.
Speaker 1: At the end, it got done and it was a
Speaker 1: multi year deal and said it was a one year deal,
Speaker 1: So I can't you can argue with the process. I'm
Speaker 1: just looking at the result and say, Okay, boom, the
Speaker 1: baby was delivered. Might have been some complications for CJ,
Speaker 1: but hey, boom, babies delivered with good listen all right,
Speaker 1: and they released them last year. They released them last
Speaker 1: year and took a chance on them, took a chance
Speaker 1: of the last year. Then you wait, when you wait,
Speaker 1: you know, extra days to go ahead and lock the
Speaker 1: man down this year. I just didn't like the process
Speaker 1: that happened over the last two years. The dude has
Speaker 1: been once again a model of consistency and one of
Speaker 1: the best players on your team. You just go ahead
Speaker 1: and take care of that man, especially after after the
Speaker 1: deal that he pretty much gave y'all last year by
Speaker 1: saying he was gonna sign back after you released him
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season. Danny, I'm not arguing
Speaker 1: you about that. I'm just saying, Okay, it was some
Speaker 1: complications in the delivery, but it was delivered. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it got done. It got done. It got done so right,
Speaker 1: So you could have been smoother because they came out
Speaker 1: of eighty day one, yes, but they didn't. I'm just
Speaker 1: happy it got done, and most of all, I was
Speaker 1: really happy to see when I saw it said two years.
Speaker 1: You know, all right, boom, good for you, CJ. That
Speaker 1: my fear was that they bringing back on a one
Speaker 1: year deal. So to me, I think they they've gone
Speaker 1: out here really said. He may not have liked it,
Speaker 1: but I think he liked it the end. You got
Speaker 1: some guaranteed money, you got a two year deal, and
Speaker 1: there's a commitment, a true first time commitment to him.
Speaker 1: So I gotta go ahead and just say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm good with it. You know I'm good with it.
Speaker 1: I know one thing, CJ. Man, if you're listening, don't
Speaker 1: don't big time us now. I mean you use on
Speaker 1: the show how that you got this deal, you got
Speaker 1: you got some money in your pockets. Man, don't big
Speaker 1: time US now we need your back on the show man. Listen.
Speaker 1: CJ is literally the first special teams player to get
Speaker 1: pace since Sam Herd because when they paid Jeff Heath,
Speaker 1: they really signed a safety. CJ is going to be
Speaker 1: expected to just play special teams so ever since Sam
Speaker 1: Herd back and I think two thousand and eleven, two
Speaker 1: thousand and ten, CJ is the first dude to get
Speaker 1: paid for special teams, So shout out to you, man,
Speaker 1: you're changing the game out there. All right, Let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's chat about a couple of things we've seen in
Speaker 1: other places here. Why Washington signs Ryan Fitzpatrick to a
Speaker 1: one year, ten million dollar contract. They ink Taylor Heineke
Speaker 1: in the offseason, they still have Josh Allen. Those are
Speaker 1: their three quarterbacks. Some people question whether or not Washington
Speaker 1: may try to move up or try to acquire a
Speaker 1: quarterback in the first round. Um several people on social
Speaker 1: media and several people in the media saying now that
Speaker 1: they believe Washington is the favorite in the division because
Speaker 1: they signed Ryan Fitzpatrick. Church you're feeling on that, is
Speaker 1: Washington the favorite in the NFC East. No, I'm still
Speaker 1: I was saying Cowboys are the favorite, but I say
Speaker 1: Washington like they have the second best quarterbaback in the
Speaker 1: division behind that Prescot. But they for sure got the
Speaker 1: best defense. The way chase the quarterback, I mean, they
Speaker 1: got alais defense that will keep them in almost every
Speaker 1: single game. The only thing about Ryan is Patrick. We've
Speaker 1: seen this in the past, is will have a couple
Speaker 1: of games, two or three games where you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, this guy is lightening it up. He's thrown
Speaker 1: for four hundred yards, five touchdowns. This guy's immaculate. But
Speaker 1: then he'll have a stretch of about eight or nine
Speaker 1: games where he's throwing three picks. He's throwing teams back
Speaker 1: into the game. So for me, I wouldn't say they're
Speaker 1: the favorite just because they signed Fitzpatrick. I do think
Speaker 1: it gives them an upgrade after that position from Taylor
Speaker 1: Heineke and Haskins and Alex Smith. But I still have
Speaker 1: them second behind the Cowboys, but a close second because
Speaker 1: that hilaious defense and I think is gonna be a
Speaker 1: problem for years to come. And if they're able to
Speaker 1: have any semblance of an offense, consistent offense, this team
Speaker 1: is gonna be is gonna be trouble in the NFC East.
Speaker 1: But I still think the Cowboys got this. Pittsburgh, Now, Yeah,
Speaker 1: asking is about it. Listen, Church, I listen. I gotta
Speaker 1: go against you on thistle Man, just based off what
Speaker 1: we saw last year, the moves we made so far
Speaker 1: in free agency, I just don't think that we've gotten
Speaker 1: that much better, just just on paper. And I think
Speaker 1: the only thing that Washington was missing last year was
Speaker 1: a quarterback like Ryan Fitzpatrick. They had a running game
Speaker 1: they had, they got the receivers, they got a tight end,
Speaker 1: and they got the defense. And we know on any
Speaker 1: given day, Ryan Fitzpatrick can be a top five quarterback
Speaker 1: in the league. And then opposite of that, yes, he
Speaker 1: can't go out there and throw some passes that shouldn't
Speaker 1: be shouldn't be thrown. But I think this will be
Speaker 1: different for him because he has that running game to
Speaker 1: lean on, he has some receivers, and defense wins these games. Man.
Speaker 1: We saw what Tampa was able to do against Kansas City,
Speaker 1: and Washington has that type of defense, So I gotta
Speaker 1: give him a little notch up on us. We will
Speaker 1: see how it goes after we make our moves in
Speaker 1: free agency, and I probably will hopefully be able to
Speaker 1: change that after like week one or two. But right now,
Speaker 1: Washington has it Ryan Fitzpatrick. And if anybody's ever had
Speaker 1: had him as their fantasy quarterback, you understand what it is.
Speaker 1: He may give you two weeks where he's top score,
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna give you three weeks where you're
Speaker 1: just like, oh my goodness, gracious, what's he gonna do?
Speaker 1: And when you need it, the most throughout his career,
Speaker 1: he's not been able to deliver. I remember the one
Speaker 1: year he was he was with the New York Jets
Speaker 1: and he had an opportunity to get these guys into
Speaker 1: the playoffs and he just totally messed it up. Or
Speaker 1: either he was with Buffalo and it was against the Jets.
Speaker 1: It's one or the other, because Dennis Thurmer was talking
Speaker 1: about it because he was he was with both of
Speaker 1: those clubs, but it was an issue. It was an issue,
Speaker 1: and it was just like, hey man, the guy just
Speaker 1: kind of turns into who you thought he was, and
Speaker 1: he's a good backup quarterback, but he's not that guy.
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny so many people like, hey, can
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott be that guy that takes you over the top.
Speaker 1: Brian Fitzpatrick's that guy who can. He's a good player
Speaker 1: and he helps you, but he won't get you over
Speaker 1: the top. And then it's a thirty eight year old,
Speaker 1: we've seen enough about what to bring you. By the way,
Speaker 1: some breaking news, Pittsburgh is retaining wide receiver Juju Smith.
Speaker 1: So j Smith Schuster Juju Smith anyway, so he's going back.
Speaker 1: Stevens putting their money on the offense, and they need
Speaker 1: some defensive help, and they need some offensive line help.
Speaker 1: But hey, they're about the weapons and they're trying to
Speaker 1: have one last ride with Big Ben. So there you go.
Speaker 1: There you go, Steve Juju Smith Schooster. I just I
Speaker 1: don't to me, Juju, it depends on what the price
Speaker 1: tag and what they signed him for. I didn't see that,
Speaker 1: but Juju, I mean we've seen ever since Ab left,
Speaker 1: he is he was supposed to take over. Is that
Speaker 1: number one, that BONA five receiver, that's supposed to be
Speaker 1: Big Ben's number one, And he just hasn't been able
Speaker 1: to do that. When defensive when defenses focused their coverage
Speaker 1: on Juju Smith Smooster, he's been a no show. He
Speaker 1: has to have somebody else out there to tim to
Speaker 1: take the kind of take the line light away from
Speaker 1: him and have defenses focusing on him to where he
Speaker 1: can just get one on one coverage and then he'll
Speaker 1: be able to work. But they don't have that guy
Speaker 1: in the Steeler's locker room with him. I mean, they
Speaker 1: don't have another AB. They got some developing guys that
Speaker 1: you know in the future, like a Chase Claypool or
Speaker 1: Dante Johnson. They can develop into something special. But right now,
Speaker 1: seeing Juju as your number one, I mean it's gonna
Speaker 1: be another one of those big Ben. Let me throw
Speaker 1: it five yards and hope these guys can run and
Speaker 1: we as we've seen in the playoffs, defense will choke
Speaker 1: down on Big Ben and they won't be able to
Speaker 1: go anywhere, especially without a run game. So that was
Speaker 1: ascrasher to me. I thought, I think for sure would
Speaker 1: be letting Juju go. But what's crazy about? Geno Atkins
Speaker 1: has been released by the Cincinnati Bengals, thirty three years old,
Speaker 1: March twenty eighth. They drafted him in twenty ten. Eight
Speaker 1: time Pro Bowl selection, two time first team All Pro,
Speaker 1: named to the NFL's All Decade Team. It's got seventy
Speaker 1: five point five sacks, which ranks second in Bengals franchise history.
Speaker 1: They say nine point five million dollars by letting him go,
Speaker 1: So there you go. Also with Reef, they released rightly Reef,
Speaker 1: so that's how they say nine point five meal with
Speaker 1: the Bengals. So anyway, another defensive tackle out there, Well,
Speaker 1: let me let me hit on Jujull just quickly. I
Speaker 1: don't believe that Juju is the number one receiver on
Speaker 1: the Stealers right now. I think that uh Deontay Johnson,
Speaker 1: it has more potential than Juju does. And Claypool is
Speaker 1: an emerging receiver as well. So I would like to
Speaker 1: see the price sag and see if they paid him
Speaker 1: like a number one receiver in the NFL, because I
Speaker 1: see those other two guys are passing him in this
Speaker 1: season or the next and goodness you know, oh okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, so they didn't commit that much to him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one year deal, got okay, Yeah, that sounds right. And
Speaker 1: this Geno Atkins Church do it? You're going to get him?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, depending on that price. Gino. I mean, if
Speaker 1: he's healthy, Gino is still in my mind he can
Speaker 1: still be a definitely a bona fide starter, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't call him a difference maker, but he would be
Speaker 1: a lot better than what we have in there right now.
Speaker 1: And that for sure. I go after him, oh without
Speaker 1: a doubt than So, yeah, I would go after him
Speaker 1: for sure, d MAC, I would. Um. It's by the way,
Speaker 1: Justin Simmons signed four years, sixty one million dollars thirty
Speaker 1: five Steed money to go back to Denver, so there's
Speaker 1: a safety off the market. So also Justin Simmons is
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. They had Brad Dak Prescott. They both are
Speaker 1: represented by Todd Franz. So he'll become the NFL's highest
Speaker 1: paid safety in the first safety in the NFL to
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars a year. So Todd France revenge tour. This, uh,
Speaker 1: this is pretty good. So and he also got Bud
Speaker 1: dupre paid in Tennessee and he tore his ACL. So
Speaker 1: Todd Franz played the waiting game. Didn't get those three
Speaker 1: guys franch I didn't get him long term contracts last
Speaker 1: year when all three were franchise, gets them all long
Speaker 1: term contracts a year later. So congratulations, Todd Franz. I
Speaker 1: was wrong. I apologize, Okay, okay, okay, listen, New Nui
Speaker 1: tell me this. Who is Trent Williams agent? All right?
Speaker 1: Because if you're talking about making boss moves, my man
Speaker 1: told Washington, I am not playing for y'all normal, and
Speaker 1: y'all gonna have to trade me after they had already
Speaker 1: paid him. They trade him. Then he goes and gets paid.
Speaker 1: And did you see the paid in this? In it?
Speaker 1: He got paid one cent more than the guy from
Speaker 1: from Green Bay, I believe, just so to make him
Speaker 1: the highest paid guy about. And add when when they
Speaker 1: made the trade, he made San Francisco put in there
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't franchise Tach so he got himself a
Speaker 1: nice deal in San Francisco decided that they wanted to
Speaker 1: go there. Um, guys, look at what we're starting to
Speaker 1: see here. They're going to be able to go to
Speaker 1: TJ Max and get this player, to get some players. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, just wait a little bit, Wait a
Speaker 1: little bit, they're gonna be okay, you don't. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna have to go You're not gonna have to go
Speaker 1: to Northstrom and get it. Baby. They're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to get some good telling you man, I've been shopping
Speaker 1: at teach Max for a long time. You can find
Speaker 1: good deals. Just gotta be there on the right day
Speaker 1: and know when the ship comes in. If you know
Speaker 1: when the shipment comes in thirst days, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: all right. I'm not I'm not participating when you. I'm
Speaker 1: not participating when you or church in this North TJ Max,
Speaker 1: the church over there talking about people dollar general deals
Speaker 1: because when I said, by mistake and apologize, y'all ran
Speaker 1: me through the mud for the entire season. Now I
Speaker 1: knew y' over here and talking about TJ Max. Where
Speaker 1: they got the stuff not even organized on the racks,
Speaker 1: you know what I say. He talking about this in
Speaker 1: church of it, talking about Dollar General. They got the
Speaker 1: old stings in the in the in the dryway, you know.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm gonna drag y'all for the rest of
Speaker 1: the season on listening because y'all didn't let up on me.
Speaker 1: You were saying, and can remember what he said, Church,
Speaker 1: He said, Anthony Brown didn't get no real money, okay,
Speaker 1: didn't get a real contract. Yeah yeah, a real yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. The way he said, I
Speaker 1: should have said, I should have said I should have
Speaker 1: said I said. I should have said dollar General. I
Speaker 1: should have said, he's a Dollar General guy. That's what
Speaker 1: I should have said. If I want, if I wanted
Speaker 1: to be politically correct, like my man, Barry Church. He
Speaker 1: didn't come like that, man like that, you would have
Speaker 1: denigrated in my man. My man said dollar Jennial. My
Speaker 1: man said dollar Jual. You have been talking about TJ
Speaker 1: Max and talking no nobody even go to t J
Speaker 1: Max talk about the shipment. Come in on Thursday. Me
Speaker 1: and American Yo, okay, me and americuld go okay, I'm
Speaker 1: there too. I'm there too. New Let me ask, with
Speaker 1: the defense, with the defense constructed as it is right now,
Speaker 1: do we think that can take this team to the
Speaker 1: playoffs with the deepest construction as it is right now?
Speaker 1: You can't? Right now? Church has not done. Okay, they're not.
Speaker 1: We don't know that. I say yes anyways, no, no, anyway,
Speaker 1: not answering the question. Not answering the question. I'm saying
Speaker 1: yea Church. I'm saying yes. You saying he could take
Speaker 1: this this team as the defense is constructed right now,
Speaker 1: he could take them to the church. Church. What was
Speaker 1: the record of the team then went to the playoffs
Speaker 1: side of the NFC each last season? Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: something to nine. They were all right, So you don't
Speaker 1: You don't have to be that great if you're basically
Speaker 1: what you see previously. So I believe that Dak has
Speaker 1: enough to at least get us to eight and eight.
Speaker 1: I believe that, and we can beat Washington, you know,
Speaker 1: the final game of the season. I think I think
Speaker 1: we can. Listen, I think Ryan Fitzpatrick has one of
Speaker 1: those bad days and then we beat them. The Church Church.
Speaker 1: I'm not participating in this one. I'm not because it's
Speaker 1: there's so much left, Okay, there's soul is a second
Speaker 1: week Fridzy, I have the draft. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: things to still take place here. Hey, we are out
Speaker 1: of time. As always, it's always this was fun. Danny
Speaker 1: McCray Bury Church, former Dallas Cowboys safeties. They join us
Speaker 1: every Friday right here on the players lines, eleven thirty
Speaker 1: Central time in the morning. I'm knew, he scrugs. Chris Beams,
Speaker 1: our producer. We appreciate you. Lots to talk about when
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