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Speaker 1: Hey, what is up everybody? Welcome to the Gilty of

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Speaker 1: Charge podcast, presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. My name

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Speaker 1: is Stephen and I am the host as always. In

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Speaker 1: joining me is my guy Tyler. Tyler, what's up, man?

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: Uh? You know, not doing too bad, Steven. I personally

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Speaker 2: am doing well, although I am preparing for what could

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Speaker 2: be the roughest, toughest Chargers Raiders game to watch since

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, where apparently both teams played two quarterbacks

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Speaker 2: and there it was a barn burner of a game

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Speaker 2: and the Raiders won seven to six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully we get a little bit more of an

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Speaker 1: entertaining game this week, but you know, not too dissimilar

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Speaker 1: situations for mister Easton Stick and Aidan O'Connell both being

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Speaker 1: fifth round draft picks. Obviously Easton Stick has been in

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Speaker 1: the league for quite some time at this point. But

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that game in a second here. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: we'll have some news to break down regarding the quarterback

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Speaker 1: behind Tyler's right shoulder, mister Justin Herbert, And then we'll

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Speaker 1: have some things that I've into about the Chargers loss

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Speaker 1: and the Broncos and we'll just kind of zoom out,

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Speaker 1: as we like to do on this show, and look

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Speaker 1: at kind of where the Chargers are at a as

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Speaker 1: a franchise right now, being five and eight. Playoff hopes

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Speaker 1: basically done for at this point, depending on which model

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Speaker 1: you're looking at, it's basically a round one or two percent,

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Speaker 1: you know, after that loss to the Broncos. So we'll

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Speaker 1: have some good conversations and then we are going to

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Speaker 1: talk about mister Easton Stick and how the Chargers can

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Speaker 1: kind of take advantage of this month remaining of the

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Speaker 1: season with him at quarterback, and how they can potentially

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Speaker 1: build a successful offense. So we'll get to all of

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Speaker 1: that here in a second. As always, Tyler and I

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Speaker 1: are fans of the team just like you guys are.

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Speaker 1: We are very fortunate to have this platform. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of crazy to look back at at how fast this

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Speaker 1: season had has gone by with one month remaining. We obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, started becoming on this feed as of April

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Speaker 1: and here we are in December with one month left.

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Speaker 1: So it's been a super fun ride for the two

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Speaker 1: of us being on this channel. We can't thank you

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Speaker 1: guys enough for the support. That being said, the opinions

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Speaker 1: that we share on this show are just that they

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Speaker 1: are our opinions first and foremost. They are not the

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Speaker 1: opinions of the Chargers organization. We are independent contract We

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Speaker 1: are independent content creators, and hopefully you guys have enjoyed

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Speaker 1: our experience on the show. But Tyler, kind of crazy

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Speaker 1: to think about and speak out loud, you know, one

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Speaker 1: month left in the season, looking back to our first

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Speaker 1: show on the channel and that being the draft episode

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Speaker 1: and things like that, kind of crazy. How fast time flies?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our first episode was a mock draft the week

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Speaker 2: of the draft, and it's December eleventh as of recording,

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Speaker 2: and we're currently looking ahead to the next draft as well.

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Speaker 2: But you know, draft season sometimes never stops. Of course,

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Speaker 2: Alex Katson on our channel doing work in that regard

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Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, it was quick. We spent the

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Speaker 2: whole summer just going please get to the season, and

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Speaker 2: polease get to the season, please get And this season

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Speaker 2: it's week fifteen, Like what happened? I don't know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know what happened, but suddenly we are here at

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Speaker 2: the basically the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like being content creators, like you're always

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Speaker 1: working on stuff, so the season always goes by faster,

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Speaker 1: you know, as opposed to just like you know, when

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Speaker 1: I am like looking at like University of Utah football,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man like, season's kind of dragging on right now.

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Speaker 1: So it is funny.

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Speaker 2: Even the Utah fan, by the way, for nobody that.

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Speaker 1: You didn't, Yeah, if you're just listening to the show, you.

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Speaker 2: Know that I'm joking. Everybody knows your Utah fans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody knows. You know, I was treating about Utah

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Speaker 1: women's basketball the other day, so you know, it is

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Speaker 1: what It is, cool, all right, guys. That being said,

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Speaker 1: unfortunate news for for the charges, obviously, with Justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: and his injury. Brandon Statey said this morning Monday that

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Speaker 1: he was going to talk to two different specialists get

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Speaker 1: recording this, Adam Schefter tweeted out that he is going

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure Justin is really trying to do

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Speaker 1: he said just as much. He has one of the

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Speaker 1: He obviously took over for mister Tarrod Taylor in Week

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Speaker 1: So Justin herbert finger injury unfortunately seems like it's going

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Speaker 1: But Tyler, what's kind of your your thoughts about mister

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Speaker 2: That it sucks and that it's terrible. This is Justin

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Speaker 2: Herbert's fourth notable injury that he's sustained over the last

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Speaker 2: two years. You've got the fractured rib cartilage, You've got

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Speaker 1: So it sucks.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you want to see Justin Herbert out there,

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Speaker 2: and you know it's unfamiliar territory for Chargers fans. We've

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Speaker 2: at the quarterback position. That's really what it's been for

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Speaker 2: the Chargers for two decades now. And to see him

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Speaker 2: not like it's not looking like he's going to play

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Speaker 2: this season. Of course he'll try to. If there's any

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Speaker 1: But it's just.

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Speaker 2: most important thing is your most important asset, and that

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Speaker 2: They couldn't pick up a free rusher in week one

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Speaker 2: Week fourteen. The Broncos had They had thirty pressures all together,

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Speaker 2: You know, it sucks. Injuries suck, but like just seeing

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Speaker 2: it just feels more frustrating. It's kind of infuriating when

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Speaker 2: You know, he's the guy that's always out there and

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Speaker 2: So it's a long winded way of saying, I obviously

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the specifically, you know, this being an

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Speaker 1: you know, Justin Herbert, for everything that was like said

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Speaker 1: toughness should never be in question. Like there was a

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Speaker 1: Herbert is injury prone and that could not be further

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Speaker 1: So and for him to miss games, you know, it

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Speaker 1: has to be a serious thing. You know. This man

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Speaker 1: played through a rib injury that, according to Stefani bellv ESPN,

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Speaker 1: to the point where nobody even really knew about it

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Speaker 1: the Chargers have wisely invested in him the way that

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Speaker 1: they have, you know, it's why he has earned that contract. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: all the statistics and things like that, but he embodies

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Speaker 1: of film study, prepares, is a gym rat. All of

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Speaker 1: and it just is you know, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: really frustrating for him to miss these games. For his

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of player that you want leading your franchise.

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Speaker 1: A guy that's just going to be gutted missing games

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Speaker 1: Now that's a perfect example because Tyland Wallace isn't even

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Speaker 2: But it's been a few weeks, it's been twelve weeks

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Speaker 2: got to step up. So you go, Joshua Kelly, you're

431
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: in there. You can't give up the two pressures, you know,

432
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: you can't. These guys in Spiller and Kelly, I think

433
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 2: I both said they loved past protection drills in camp,

434
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: but it doesn't really paid off. I don't think it

435
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: certainly had not paid off this season, especially when Eckler

436
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,640
Speaker 2: was out. It was not great at all. So guys

437
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,439
Speaker 2: got to step up. I think like Zion Johnson had

438
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: zero pressures in this game, that's great, but then like

439
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 2: everybody else had six or four or six. It's just

440
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: you know, the unit's got to step up together, and

441
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 2: it's frustrating. So, you know, gave it grace because of

442
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: injuries Corey Linsley obviously some good defenses in there, but

443
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 2: it's been a week to week to week to week

444
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 2: to week two week thing and then oh hey there's

445
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: something positive and then issue issue, issue, issue isue every

446
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 2: you know, every now and then where the positive moments

447
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 2: are just outliers and it's it is truly baffling, you know.

448
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: I think Duke Manyweather tried to rationalize maybe what's going on,

449
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: but flat out he just said, like, the regression is

450
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 2: across the board, and it's a bit of a surprise

451
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 2: to see.

452
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm looking up games in which Justin Herbert

453
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 1: has been pressured more than forty percent on the season,

454
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 1: and forty percent is a that's that's bad that you

455
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: don't like, that's that's not ideal, Like I think anything

456
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 1: over thirty percent to me is kind of like, Okay,

457
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: we had some issues this game, and we kind of

458
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: struggled today. We had a bad day. So Justin Herbert

459
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: was pressured more than forty percent of his dropbacks seven

460
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: games this season, and three of those games were more

461
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: than fifty percent. And in total, right now, they're hovering

462
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: around thirty thirty six percent pressure percentage on Justin Herbert dropbacks,

463
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 1: which is almost as bad as the unit in twenty twenty.

464
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: And to me, that's just that's just unacceptable based off

465
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: of what we felt about that specific group with all

466
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: the injuries, and what we feel about this group with

467
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, Trey excuse mean, Rashaan Slater has had his

468
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: ankle injuries and Corey Lindsay has been out, but other

469
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: than that, they've been healthy, like Rashawn has still been

470
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: playing these games. So to have that kind of offensive

471
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: line output, and it's again it's not even really like

472
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: fully offensive line related, Like it's not individuals. So much

473
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: of this is game plan specific and like how are

474
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: we managing these situations? And it's been an issue since

475
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: Week one. Seven games that Justin Herbert has played this season,

476
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: he has been pressured more than forty percent of his dropbacks,

477
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: and that to me is you we can talk about

478
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: like everything else, you know, from a defense perspective, everything

479
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: like that, from an offensive perspective, they have not reached expectations,

480
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: and that to me is the biggest issue that has

481
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: to be changed going forward, because you can't have Justin

482
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: Herbert being pressured like that and expect him to be

483
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 1: performing at these kind of levels. Like we Quarterbacks can't

484
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: function if they can't even get plays off, and so

485
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: forty percent that's what you're talking about. You're talking about

486
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: a guy who cannot get the plays off, and we've

487
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: seen that far too many times this season.

488
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was twenty twenty bad. It was,

489
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: I believe, close to what Rivers was going through in

490
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: like twenty fourteen when they he had the bulging disc

491
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: in his back due to the injuries and hits through

492
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: that season. But just looking through the list of players

493
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: from the twenty twenty season, all respect to these guys,

494
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: but this twenty twenty three line is should be better.

495
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 2: If you've told me, comparing investment and outlook for one

496
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: versus what they had in twenty twenty. There's no way

497
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 2: you can think these are two of the same lines

498
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,719
Speaker 2: in terms of past protection. But I mean, again respect

499
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: to these guys and what they did, but just going

500
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: through the names like Scott Questenberry Blogga in and out

501
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: of the lineup, Storm Norton, Forest Lamp, Sam Tevy Cole Toner,

502
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: Ryan Groy, Dan Feenie, Trade Turner, Trey Pipkins. Obviously Tyree

503
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: Saint louis like, sorry, if you told me to look

504
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: at these two guys two lines, you'd go easily with

505
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty three line. So to hear that these

506
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: players are not performing and are actually looking kind of

507
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: like the twenty twenty line is to me a strong

508
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 2: indictment against the coaching and the preparation so far.

509
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, the good news, if you want like silver lining,

510
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: is that, in my opinion, these issues are correctable. It's

511
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: just the attention to detail of the coaching staff has

512
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: to completely ratchet up to another level. And you know,

513
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: it's easier said than done, But you look at what

514
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: Frank Smith was able to get out of the twenty

515
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: twenty one unit again with Michael Schofield injuries at right guard.

516
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: Odiabushi was the starter, Michael Scofield came in four games in,

517
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 1: Brian Blogo was the Week one starter that lasted a half,

518
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: and then Storm Norton came in. Trey Pipkins also started

519
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: some games that year. You had a rookie left tackle,

520
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: a great one, but still a rookie left tackle, and

521
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: that unit was allowed pressure on Justin Herbert around thirty percent,

522
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: which is an above average percentage in my opinion. At

523
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: this point, anything about thirty five is completely unacceptable when

524
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: you're talking about protecting your most important asset, your starting quarterback,

525
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: your franchise guy that you're invested in until twenty twenty nine.

526
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: So in terms of the priorities in the off season,

527
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: whatever the case to be, coaches, personnel, players, everybody needs

528
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: to come together and ensure that we are not talking

529
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: about this at that point next year. I believe from

530
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: a personnel standpoint that the charters have the guys necessary

531
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: to do that. Corey Lindsay's status TVD, we don't know.

532
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: They're obviously hoping, you know, for a recovery from the

533
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: issues that he's dealing with. But Rashwan Zion Jamari and

534
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: Trey They're gonna be here next year. They're all around

535
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: here long term. They've invested in Jordan McFadden as kind

536
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: of a key backup there. They like Foster Surrell. The

537
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: core for the most part of this offensive line is

538
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: gonna be here next season. And I believe that they

539
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: can turn this around. I do. I genuinely believe that.

540
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: I've believed in this talent. I believe in this group.

541
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: I believe in the physicality and toughness that they can

542
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: play with. For Shawn Slater playing with a double high

543
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: inclose spraying for six weeks, are you kidding me? Like

544
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: the talent and the will is there, they just need

545
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: to get the right pieces together and have it all

546
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: click together. And I think that we should not have

547
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: this problem again next season.

548
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: I would agree it's the Chargers. I know a lot

549
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: of fans want to go through and just suggest to making,

550
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 2: you know, pretty sizable changes along this offensive line, at

551
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: least at a couple of spots, But the Chargers don't

552
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: have that luxury. You know, we'll get into the off

553
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 2: season in this roster, and especially when we get a

554
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: free agency we'll see who's here and who's back and

555
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: who's not but the Chargers don't really have the luxury

556
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: of going like they have to find a way to

557
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: maximize these rookie contracts for like a Jamari Sallier and

558
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: fora Zion Johnson and to let that work for them.

559
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: They can't just go and spend, you know, eight million

560
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: dollars a year on another guard because they want to

561
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: upgrade there. Maybe they do, and I guess I would

562
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: understand it. They st you're trying to put something better

563
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: out there, but you can't afford that that leaves corner, receiver, edge, safety,

564
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: tight end like you have too many other things to solve.

565
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: So this office on line has got to figure it out.

566
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: And I agree though I agree with you that I

567
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: do believe they can. We've seen it, like last year,

568
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys played some really good football.

569
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 2: Just get back to that.

570
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: Whatever it takes, Yeah, whatever it takes. That's a good

571
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: way to put that defensively really quick here, Tyler, what

572
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: would you kind of say is the biggest reason why

573
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: expectations have not been met on that side of the ball.

574
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: It's easily the secondary and coaching in the secondary. And

575
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 2: we've talked about this at length, So I don't know

576
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: how much we need to spend on this, but like

577
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 2: everything didn't work out well for this secondary overall, and

578
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: with that all not working out, the Chargers were underprepared

579
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: because they spent nothing in terms of either draft capital

580
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: or significant free agent money in the secondary. So JC

581
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: doesn't work out right, that that situation does not work out.

582
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: It would be better if he were just on ir

583
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: than playing not great on the field, not great off

584
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: the field. Tom Tellusco's apologizing to the dB room. Michael

585
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: Davis takes a step back, Brice Callahan is not brought back.

586
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: You go with John Taylor. That really didn't work out

587
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: this season, and it's unfortunate, but sometimes it doesn't work out.

588
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: Assamto Samuel Junior is boom or bust, but he's gotten

589
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: backwards a bit Derwyin James, I think it's his least

590
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: impactful season. I think of his career. JT. Woods misses

591
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: his time, although he Gilman misses his time. And then

592
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: you have, of course the coaching, which we've talked about

593
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: at length. I won't get into it too much, but complexity,

594
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: scheme issues, communication, etc. I think the secondary, you know,

595
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: you look at the front seven, you look at the

596
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: rush unit. Sure, there are some things you'd like to improve,

597
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: maybe the linebackers or whatever, but really it is the

598
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: secondary that has been the biggest struggle defensively for the

599
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: Chargers all year. And it almost does kind of feel

600
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: like the offensive line. I don't know where you and

601
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: I had these offensive line and DB's or at least

602
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: corners before the season. In terms of like power ranking

603
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: the units for the Chargers, yeah, I'd say there at

604
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 2: least both in the top five and now looking at

605
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: them overall, I'd say they're like, I don't know, bottom

606
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: five or bottom three. And in terms of performance this

607
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: season overall, the talent is there, I think, and we

608
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: thought the talent was there and the play was there,

609
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: and the twenty twenty two tape was all there, and

610
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: yet there was no significant step forward, and in fact,

611
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: everything just kind of went backwards. Nothing really progressed for

612
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: the Chargers. Everything just kind of got worse. And you

613
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: maybe see a bit of improvement for like a Dean Leonard,

614
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: and I do like some of the supplemental play of

615
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: Anisang Basi Dean Marlow Hawkins, but that's not enough. You

616
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: needed your core guys to any of them to take

617
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: a step forward and everything just kind of went backwards,

618
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: and I think that shocked the Chargers. It did shock me,

619
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: to be completely honest, and that's why I think that's

620
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: the easily the key reason whether the defense has struggled.

621
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Speaker 1: Yeah, to your point, for those who were are kind

622
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: of newer to our show, we did a Chargers position

623
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: group rankings back in the summer on our channel Wide

624
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: Receiver funny enough was my top position group, and then

625
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: obviously quarterback into your offensive line was was third with

626
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: Corey Lindsley, Zion Johnson, and Jamari Sawyer. So that's where

627
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: I was. At cornerback, I had as fifth, So I

628
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: was pretty high on j C. Jackson coming back, Michael Davis,

629
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: Asante Sammer Junior, just her Taylor, Dean Leonard, those guys.

630
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: So it was an issue or it's been an issue.

631
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: I think, like for me, it shouldn't take until week

632
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: twelve to figure out, like your your best and most

633
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, consistent group of cornerbacks. And you know, the

634
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: the Asante Simon Junior thing like he was going to

635
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: play slot cornerback lasted like a week and then he

636
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: was back to outside and so you you finally get

637
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: this group that works with Jalen Hawkins as your safety three,

638
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: he saying MASSI comes in as your as your nickel.

639
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: Dean Leonard's playing outside. Well now, Dean Leonard is injured

640
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: and Brandon Sealey said today that there's no timeline on

641
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: his return, so he's probably not playing on Thursday. And

642
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: so this is another star for Michael Davis, who did

643
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: have an interception forced another incompletion as well on Sunday

644
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: according to PFF. But it just felt like the whole

645
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: year was kind of a work in progress, and for

646
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: this being year three, a lot of these guys coming

647
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: back that just shouldn't really be the case. You know,

648
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: it should have been more cohesive from the jump, and

649
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: obviously the j C. Jackson situation I think was probably

650
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: the biggest issue there. But it shouldn't take you all

651
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: this time to figure out your most cohesive units. And

652
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, Brent Price Callen was literally free, he probably

653
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: would have taken them vet minimum to come back, although

654
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: he still is out there. He never signed outshore, so

655
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: we don't really know, but I think the lack of

656
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: communication and just the constant issues back there have definitely

657
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: hurt this team. Because when things work well, like coverage

658
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: and pass rush work together, it's hand in hand. Obviously,

659
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: if you have a better coverage unit, gives more time

660
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: for the pass rush to get home. And we've seen

661
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 1: some instances of that working, like I think the Raiders

662
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: game where k Limack had the six sacs. A lot

663
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: of that was due to the plan that Brandon Staley

664
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: had for the middle of the field and trying to

665
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: shut down DeVante Adams and those guys, and it worked.

666
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: And we've seen some glimpses of obviously the pass rush

667
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: taking over, specifically against like the Jets, and it was

668
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: just really like overwhelming against the Bears as well when

669
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: Joey was healthy, obviously, but it never really felt like

670
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: those two sides were clicking for multiple games. And that's obviously,

671
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, a big issue when you're talking about like

672
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: high end defensive play in the league. You need that

673
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: to come together. I mean, you look at the Cowboys,

674
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: you look at the Chiefs, you look at all these

675
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: top tier defenses, the Broncos, the Ravens. Everything is just

676
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: kind of works together. And that never really came to

677
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: fruition for the Chargers this year.

678
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: No, I don't know what it currently stands at, but

679
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: the Chargers defensive back room as has the most win

680
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: probability lost due to penalties, the most epaid loss to

681
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: the penalties, at least heading into the previous week. I

682
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: don't know where it currently stands, but it's that's not

683
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: a surprise to Chargers fans, but you do want to

684
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: put it out there just to really get a feel

685
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: for what is going on and how it stacks up

686
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: against the rest of the league. The communication issues, the penalties,

687
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: it really just does feel like the offensive line and

688
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: the free rusher kind of issues. It's like this this

689
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: should have been figured out, you know, you would hope,

690
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: especially with you know, generally the same coaches, same DBS

691
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator or at least in Brandon Staley. I know

692
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: Ronaldo Hill is gone, but Dereck Enzy was the dB coach,

693
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 2: and same with the offensive line. It's the same offensive

694
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 2: line coaches. It all really should be there, and yet

695
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: everything took a step back. It's it's frush.

696
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: I think this is just you know, emphasizing as a

697
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: whole the importance of the coaching staff and the players

698
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: getting on the same page, and ideally that happens in

699
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: the off season so you can build throughout the season

700
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: instead of trying to solve all of these problems. Like

701
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: we've talked about like our work situations, right, Like I'm

702
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: a school counselor. On the days where i feel like

703
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: I'm constantly putting out fires for my students, I never

704
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: feel like I'm able to like really get things done.

705
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm running around with my like

706
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: running around with my head cut off like a chicken.

707
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: I'm not able to have a plan, I'm not able

708
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: to take a breath. And I'm sure you as a

709
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: as a as a teacher have have had similar days

710
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: where you just feel like you're constantly run around trying

711
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: to solve these issues. And as a football coach, like

712
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: that's an impactful thing too, Like I don't want to

713
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: discount like what the J. C. Jackson situation does for

714
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, what Dean Leonard being out does for

715
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, what Alohi Gillman being out does for

716
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, what Joey wells Is being out for

717
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: the coaching staff does, Like you, there's probably been this

718
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: feeling of like we just have to constantly put out

719
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: these fires and like survive out here, you know. But

720
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it is their job.

721
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: It is my job as a school counselor to figure

722
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: out how to get the things that I need done,

723
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: manage my time when I have these emergencies that are happening,

724
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: Like it's not I don't don't I don't get to

725
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: go to work the next day, and like, well, I

726
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: didn't do the thing I was said I was going

727
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: to do because Billy Joe over here was having a

728
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: tough day. Like I have to figure it out, and

729
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: I have to do my task that day. And so

730
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the at the end

731
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: of the day, it is the responsibility of the coaches

732
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: to come together, you like, like we just talked about

733
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: the players, the coaches have to raise their level when

734
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: you have these kind of situations that the Chargers have had.

735
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: And hopefully that that this issue gets corrected next year,

736
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 1: because I would like to cover a team that is

737
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: on a playoff run again and not in the situation

738
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: where they're fiving.

739
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: But this wasn't fun for you.

740
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: I love football and winning. I love talking about football.

741
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: I love like all the x's and o's and everything

742
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: like that. But yes, it is much more preferable to

743
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: cover a winning team. My first season covering the team

744
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: was twenty eighteen. That was incredible. You get spoiled so

745
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: much fun. I got spoiled right off the bat. I

746
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: came in as a as a young pup, and they

747
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: were ten and three at this time at that season,

748
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: and I went to a game at they changed names

749
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: like twice, the stub Hub whatever, and it was electric.

750
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: It was so much fun. Philip Rivers was was slinging

751
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: the ball around and everything like that, and that season

752
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: was fun. I want more seasons like that. That would

753
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: be great.

754
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 2: And I hope that sometimes if it's been tough, as

755
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: not the point of the podcast today, but sometimes it

756
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: is tough to maintain momentum when the team is you know,

757
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: there was literally lose to win, to lose, to win,

758
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 2: to win, lose, lose, lose, Like it's it's been tough.

759
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: But I hope that wherever you find us, wherever we are,

760
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 2: if you follow us at all, that you're hopefully also

761
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: there and see what happens and what it looks like

762
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: when the Chargers are actually winning. So I promise there's

763
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: there's so much excitement as a fanom and a fanatic

764
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: and the fandom. It's all there. But I hope you

765
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 2: recognize right now it's it's tougher for sure to try

766
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: to cover the Chargers and to be really excited, but

767
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: that that's kind of a point. You have to be

768
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: frustrated right now so you can really enjoy those twenty

769
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: eighteen seasons and those great moments too, which we will.

770
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the beauty of the NFL is that

771
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: you can turn things around in a hurry. I mean,

772
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: look what the Houston Texans have done. They were a

773
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: dumbster fire two years ago. I know they lost on Sunday,

774
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: but they're in a playoff push with a franchise quarterback.

775
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: Like everything is so positive. That's the beauty of the NFL.

776
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: You can turn things around so fast. And I think

777
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: the Chargers have, you know, a lot of the core

778
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: pieces necessary to make that turn. But yes, it is

779
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: much more fun to cover winning team. And at this point,

780
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: like I'm list like, so, my brother's an Eagles fan

781
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: and he's complaining about the offensive play Colin, I'm like,

782
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: you guys are ten and three. You were just in

783
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl last year, Like, shut up, You're fine.

784
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they got it really rough, being ten and

785
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: three and Super Bowl a couple of years ago and

786
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: been back in it. Yeah, that's uh. I heart goes

787
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: out to them as my tiny violin. I'll happily play

788
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 2: that for them.

789
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: Those poor guys, they're only ten and three. Yeah, anyways,

790
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: but yeah, hopefully, like Tyler said, you know, you guys

791
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: will be along with us on the ride when the

792
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: charters are are back on top. So we'll end the

793
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: show today talking about Easton Stick. This is obviously his show,

794
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: well not officially confirmed his show, but presumably his show

795
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: for the final four games of the season. Brandon Staley

796
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: mentioned this today, but I think it's important for people

797
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: to realize, like when you lose your starter mid game,

798
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: you can't really like change your game plan, like you

799
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: kind of have to just like okay, like Easton, you

800
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: come in and you run the Justin stuff, and obviously,

801
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: you know you would love to just have like Justin

802
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: and Justin one bee. Unfortunately that's not the way football works.

803
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: So the offense is going to change a little bit, obviously,

804
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: like the bones and things are are going to remain

805
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: the same. But Tyler and your estimation what or how

806
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: would you kind of define a successful finish to the

807
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: season for an East and stick led offense.

808
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: I in terms of points, I'd say maybe like fourteen

809
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: to seventeen points. Now, I understand that it's been quite

810
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: the struggle for the Chargers to get there, but I'm hoping,

811
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: as we sort of talked about that, other players can

812
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: rise to the occasion, and I think we saw moments

813
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: of that potentially against the Broncos one in particular Quentin Johnston.

814
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 2: Part of it was just opportunity, but he catches a big,

815
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: long fifty yarder and then the next play is a

816
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 2: torny two yarder against pats Er Tam Like, there's there's

817
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: stuff there that you can lean into. So for him

818
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 2: to be successful, I think you'd look back at the

819
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: last time the Chargers had a different quarterback and they

820
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: had to prepare for that quarterback that we were with

821
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: that quarterback heading into a game that was Tyrod Taylor.

822
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: It was very rpo, it was very roll out, it

823
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: was a very quick game. It was let's throw it to

824
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen and the tight ends and that, you know,

825
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: and maybe down the field of Mike Williams. He's not

826
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: out there, so maybe Quinton Johnston, but I think I

827
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 2: think kind of stuff like that, let's lean into what

828
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 2: east and Stick does really well. It cannot get to

829
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: the point where they are doing deep drops while he's

830
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: holding onto football for a very long time. Because on

831
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: the one hand, the quick slant stuff, some of the

832
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 2: rollout stuff that all looked pretty good. The one shot

833
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: down the field that did look pretty good. But when

834
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: it came down to hold on to it for a

835
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: bit longer, you had a couple of sacks, you had

836
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: one sack fumble, and one that should probably have been

837
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: a sack fumble but it wasn't. You had three turnover

838
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: worthy plays. So get that ball out quick and lean

839
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: into your other players. I think it's a really good

840
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: opportunity for the Chargers to almost have to evaluate their

841
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: younger guys. You know, let's Keenan Al's gonna be Keenan Allen.

842
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore's done a great job with Keenan Allen, so

843
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: that's gonna be the same. And that's gonna be a

844
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: blessing for Easton Stick that he gets to throw a

845
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen out there, and Kellen Moore is gonna use

846
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 2: him very well. But you can't expect him. I don't

847
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: think to push down the football down the field of

848
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: Quentin Johnson every game. I don't expect that to happen

849
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, get those screens going, man, that

850
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: screen against the Broncos and other Broncos were way back.

851
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 2: It looked pretty good. I mean that was a third

852
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: and twenty that he took about sixteen yards and it

853
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 2: looks pretty good. Like I genuinely believe he was gonna

854
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 2: get all twenty of those back. Lean into that, Isaiah Spiller,

855
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: it's time to evaluate him and guess what you have

856
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: Eason Stick as your backup quarterback. You could run the

857
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: ball more now. Whether it's successful or not, I don't know,

858
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: but you got nothing to lose. And Isaiah Spiller, some

859
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: of it wasn't so great, but I saw some flashes

860
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: in there as well. Lean into that. Let's see what

861
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: he's got. Let's also evaluate the futureself in terms of points.

862
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: Fourteen to seventeen would be great. Will they get there,

863
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 2: no idea. I hope they do it, at least entertaining

864
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: if they do. But if nothing else, make a company

865
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: for East and Stick and find ways to evaluate your

866
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: young guys as best you possibly can heading into next season, and.

867
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: I think eastern Stick is also part of that. I mean,

868
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: he's not a super young guy. He's been in the

869
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: league for five years. But like I think we're we

870
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: just talked about this earlier, like we're seeing the value

871
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: of a backup quarterback around the league in like what

872
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: having a stable situation at backup quarterback can give you

873
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: if you have injuries. Obviously, we hope every start stays healthy,

874
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: but this is gonna be eastern Stick's first career start.

875
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: This is we haven't really gotten a real chance to

876
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: evaluate him. Obviously, we've seen him in some preseason games.

877
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: But if east and Stick can look like a functional

878
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback in these next four games, then I think

879
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: you're talking about like like we've always heard, like, oh

880
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: we need our long term backup quarterback. If eastern Stick

881
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: has a functional four games here, then I think we

882
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: can solidify that question, or he can soldify that question

883
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: for somebody else, and that the charge is a compick.

884
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. But either way, in terms of

885
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: the Eastern Stick offense, I think you hit the nail

886
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: on the head. I think you have to increase the

887
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: easy buttons. Heading into this week, the charges we're averaging

888
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: around twenty three design rushes per game. I think with

889
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: Eastern stick you can crank that up, you know, maybe

890
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: five or six more, maybe you get to twenty eight,

891
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: twenty nine, and some of that can be Eastern stick

892
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: design runs. We saw some of that in the preseason.

893
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: We saw them do the speed option looks a couple

894
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: of times as well, which you've seen justin Herbert do

895
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: a couple times this year. And I think you first

896
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: and foremost designing his offense around Eastern stick have to

897
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: use his mobility to their advantage, and it's a way

898
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: to take pressure off of him as a passer because

899
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: it's just a threat that the defense has to account for.

900
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: And we've seen the importance of that with these other

901
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: packup quarterbacks around the league, where if they can run,

902
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: it just makes your life a little bit easier as

903
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: a play caller, It makes your life a little bit

904
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: easier as an offensive lineman, makes your life a little

905
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: bit easier as a running back because that guy on

906
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 1: the edge over here probably has to like hang by

907
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: and not get beat by easton stick. So I think

908
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: that's the first thing is let East and Stick run

909
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: a little bit more and then schematically, like you mentioned,

910
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 1: give him some easier buttons, Like I think he showed

911
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: on Sunday to me that he was much more confident

912
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: with like how he was throwing the football. You know,

913
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: that out route to Keenan Allen on fourth down, Like

914
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: he zipped that thing out there, and then there was

915
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 1: the Keenan Allen conversion on third down over the middle

916
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: of that. He just zipped that thing. The deep shots

917
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: to Quentin Johnston, Like, I think he has the confidence

918
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: to go out there and run the offense, but I

919
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: think you don't want to be in a situation where

920
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: you're forcing him to be that kind of aggressive playmaker.

921
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: And again that the charges were trailing seventeen is zero

922
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: basically when he came in. So if you can kind

923
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: of manage things a little bit with his leg in

924
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: the run game, you know, do RPOs, do more play

925
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: action shots, make things easier for him. I think you

926
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: can have kind of a semi functional offense with deasn Stick.

927
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: Obviously it's not going to be justin Herbert. It's not

928
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 1: going to be what we saw against the Lions stuff

929
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: like that, But if you can have some successful drives

930
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: here and there, you know, manage the clock a little

931
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: bit more, and I think that could be a successful

932
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: recipe for Eastern Stick. Obviously, I don't think anybody is

933
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: going to misinterpret that as like, hey, they're going to

934
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 1: go on a run and win four games with decent stick.

935
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: My thing is like, let's evaluate Easton Stick and see

936
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: what he can do. And I think the mobility there

937
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: really is the key thing, because I do think he

938
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: has progressed quite a bit as a passer, which is

939
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: what we talked about when we watched him against this

940
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: in the scrimmage way back when in August, like he

941
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: has taken steps as a passer. Now we get to

942
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: see that come to fruition. Hopefully we get to see

943
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: him use his legs as well in these next four games. Yeah.

944
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: Looking at Cooper Russia's stats back last year with Kellam

945
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 2: Moore with the Cowboys when Doc went, I was surprised

946
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 2: because the adot basically didn't change. It was still about

947
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: nine yards there and they were throwing at thirty something

948
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: times a game for a lot of these games. Don't

949
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 2: know if they get to that point with Easton Stick,

950
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: but I do think Kellam Moore is it's not going

951
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: to be a complete shell of an offense. I do think,

952
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: like we saw with the Quintin Johnston pass, like that

953
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: stuff is going to be there, But just how do

954
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 2: they make it easy for him? And I'm curious how

955
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: Kellim Moore responds to the challenge of this, because it

956
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 2: feels like sometimes the offense is, Okay, we'll do this,

957
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert goes save us. I don't think you can

958
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: quite do that. It's certainly not the same way with

959
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: Eastern Sick. It's I hope he does. That'd be great,

960
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: but it's not quite the same. So how do you

961
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 2: elevate the floor of this offense? I think the Chargers

962
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: were maybe living on the ceiling of their offense and

963
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 2: trying to hit certain ceilings with Justin Herbert Justin Herbert,

964
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: but the floor was never there, and that's why I

965
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: see some catastrophic moments. Or you also see thirty eight

966
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 2: points against the Lions with Easton stick, you're just going

967
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 2: for fourteen seventeen if we're trying to be serious and

968
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: try to win. So how does Kellen More respond? How

969
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: does he elevate the floor of this offense to at

970
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: least get as many easy things as possible. If it

971
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 2: doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. I just hope

972
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out, it's not because we saw

973
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: them take deep drops and try to push the ball

974
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: down the field and run the Justin Herbert offense. You

975
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: just can't do that. And frankly, Justin Herbert and the offense,

976
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: we're struggling to run the Justin Herbert offense. So what

977
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: can you do differently?

978
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to have to be a change up.

979
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: Like you can't you can't run the same stuff. The

980
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: deep dropbacks, for the most part, are are not gonna

981
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: be the same kind of level of execution. Like I

982
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: think the biggest difference in how you see like a

983
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: quarterback versus a backup is the time to throw, is

984
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: the pressure to sack percentage? John Pff. You're kind of

985
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: looking at those two things and ideally you're trying to

986
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: make things easier upon your backup quarterback, where hey, we

987
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: have one read, let's go there and then check it

988
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: down like Justin Herbert can go one, two, three, four,

989
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 1: sometimes five, like whatever the case may be, because he's

990
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: just that level of processor. With Easton stick in your

991
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: backup quarterback. Now to say that Easton Stick can't handle that,

992
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: not to say that he's not smart, but traditionally with

993
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: your backup quarterback, you're looking for read one check down,

994
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: like take the easy play, take it the defense gives you.

995
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: Just keep the ball movie And I think that's the

996
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: key thing there. And this in like this team believes

997
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: in Easton Stick from a player perspective, Like he is

998
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: beloved in that locker room for a reason. And you know,

999
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 1: Sebastian Joseph Date Derwin James were asked about him today.

1000
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: They all spoke very glownely about him. They believe in

1001
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: Easton Stick, Randon Stay and coaching staff believes in Easton Stick.

1002
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: And like they're all trying to win, like this is

1003
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: their job, Like they're going to try and continue to

1004
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: execute at the highest level and hopefully we like we

1005
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: talked about that kind of raises the play of some

1006
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: of these other players around Easton Stick. So it's an

1007
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: important four games, Like I know that it's five and eight.

1008
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: We just talked about why they're not in the player

1009
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: but every game in the NFL is important for one

1010
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: reason or another, and that is definitely the case. Heading

1011
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: out to the final month of the season.

1012
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, you'd ever would love to have every

1013
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 2: year the first pick in the draft and trade out

1014
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 2: of that and accumulate picks. But you also need to evaluate.

1015
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: You know, this is not as much trying to win

1016
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: games for the sake of winning games get to the postseason.

1017
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: But it's an audition. It's an audition for next year

1018
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: for the Chargers, for other teams or both obviously, So

1019
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: the Chargers, I hope they go out there and maybe

1020
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 2: you can see, especially with the last three draft classes

1021
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: and this really young, cored nucleus that should be your

1022
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: core nucleus moving forward. Who are the guys that you

1023
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: can maybe rely on, who steps up when the adversity

1024
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: hits because it has not been worse Like there's really

1025
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: in terms of the season, nothing else to really play for,

1026
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: Like quarterbacks hurt, you're basic out of the postseason. So

1027
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 2: who with really nothing to have to really play for

1028
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: steps up for the guys around them or like even

1029
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: just for themselves. Yeah, you know, who steps up and

1030
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 2: really takes charge this season to close it out and

1031
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: put something on tape that they can be proud of

1032
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 2: and either carry momentum forward with the Chargers or when

1033
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 2: they hit for agency and go to a different team.

1034
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really believe in that as a player.

1035
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: I really believe if you finish a season strongly, that

1036
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 1: really does help you moving forward. I think we really

1037
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: did see that with like Justin Herbert for example, like

1038
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: the final four games of his rookie season, I think

1039
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: really helped propel him into knowing like I am the guy,

1040
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: I can do this at a very very high level,

1041
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: elite level. And I think he carried that into that

1042
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: next season, and I think several other young players in

1043
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: that instance too. So you know, momentum from a player

1044
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: development standpoint is a very real thing. And I think

1045
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: as these players, you know, put together multiple performances and

1046
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: just build their confidence, Like for Quentin Johnson, for example,

1047
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: your first nine yard game, like let's let's build this

1048
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: consistency as a disability or back in it after you've

1049
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: been kind of inactive for a while. Let's build this

1050
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: consistency and let's get going into the next offseason. So

1051
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: it is definitely a super important season. And I like

1052
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 1: players wise, you're playing for pride, you're playing for yourself,

1053
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: you're playing to spoil the other teams, like, you know,

1054
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: they get the Bills in a couple of weeks. If

1055
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: the Bills, you know, are pushing for the playoffs, a

1056
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: loss would do a lot for them. You know, you

1057
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: get the Chiefs in week eighteen, like you can spoil

1058
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: these other teams season. And it's not just like you know,

1059
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: of course, there are things to play for, things or

1060
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: not to play for. So it's going to be very

1061
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: interesting to see how the players handle this over the

1062
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: next month because a lot can ride on your careers

1063
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: over the end of the season like this. So yeah,

1064
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: I went a little bit longer on that discussion, particularly

1065
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: along the offensive line, but you know, it is what

1066
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: it is. We got to talk about the things that

1067
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Speaker 1: are really happening with this team. That's what we always

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Speaker 1: try to do over the ins We've always tried to

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Speaker 1: do over the last four years that we've been together

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Speaker 1: as a podcast. So, Tyler, any final thoughts before we

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Speaker 1: head out.

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Speaker 2: I am still kind of excited for the game, you know,

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Speaker 2: because it's like if we're assuming the Charger are out

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Speaker 2: of the postseason, and look, they have a one percent

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Speaker 2: of less of one percent chance of making it, so

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Speaker 2: they're they're out of the postseason then it's just it's

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Speaker 2: just kind of free house money, you know, I get

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Speaker 2: to watch, So let's see these guys play, see how

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Speaker 2: it goes. I'll be with my dad who's a Raiders fan.

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Speaker 2: You can type boo in the chat everyone who just

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Speaker 2: found that out. It should be fun. We'll be here regardless,

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Speaker 2: no matter what. We'll be here every week covering it.

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Speaker 2: Season ends, will be here.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, exactly, you know, charges Fantom is not for

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Speaker 1: the week, that's for sure. It builds characters. What I

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Speaker 1: always tell people, you know, it is what it is,

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Speaker 1: so it should be a lot of fun. Appreciate you

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Speaker 1: guys for sticking around this far into the episode, this

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Speaker 1: far into the season. Hopefully you're able to learn something

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Speaker 1: take something away from the from this show. That's kind

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Speaker 1: of always our goal is to have these kind of

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Speaker 1: discussions that that dig deep into what's going on with

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Speaker 1: the Chargers on multiple levels. So hopefully you enjoyed the show.

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Speaker 1: If you did, please let us know in a review comment,

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Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. We're always looking for that

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Speaker 1: kind of engagement, So we appreciate you guys. Appreciate the

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Speaker 1: Chargers for allowing us to have this platform. Appreciate Greg

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Speaker 1: Kim for producing. As always, that's going to do for

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Speaker 1: us this time. We'll see you next week. Hould up.