1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. It's not even the fact 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: of just dealing with not having my parents anymore. It's 3 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: the fact that I'm being accused of something of this magnitude. 4 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: I mean, AJ's attorneys say he can't discuss the facts 5 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: of the case, but the team maintains he didn't kill 6 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: his parents. An intruder dead, I'm innocent. There was somebody 7 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: else in the house that night in a note that 8 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: this is something I'm being accused of just makes everything 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: so much worse. Police say there were no signs of 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: a break in. Investigators found bullet holes on the floor 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: of AJ's room, in a pillow and comforter in his closet, 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: but AJ's fingerprints and DNA were not on the gun 13 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: that was found on the kitchen counter, along with a 14 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: note that read I have been walking for a long time. 15 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: Get me. For more than two years, the case has 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: dragged on in court. AJ spent eight months in juvie jail. 17 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: Junior year of high school in a sell no football games, 18 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: no prompt no graduation. Jail was very very hard. I 19 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: mean I many sleepless nights just not being able to 20 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: be around my family. I mean, only having ten minute 21 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: phone calls a week, like it was just hard, and 22 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: hearing my little sister on the phone, like it was 23 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: just tough to do about how hard things get. I know, 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: if I just get into my word, I pray, I 25 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: just I know everything will turn out. Okay. I know 26 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: I'll feel better. I don't know how it's going to 27 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: turn out okay. The son of an NFL star on 28 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: trial for murdering both of his parents as they slept. 29 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: The defense of course they got to point the fingers somewhere, 30 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: so they're pointing it at his brother. I'm talking about 31 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 1: Antonio AJ Armstrong Junior, just nineteen years old, now charged 32 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: with capitol murder in the shooting desks of both parents. 33 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: I mean, talk about a silverspoon. It's just your dad's 34 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: an NFL star and now you're charged with murdering him 35 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: and the mom. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. 36 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. All Star Panel with me. 37 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: Doctor Brian Russell, host of the hit series Fatal Vows 38 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: on Investigation Discovery, renowned divorce lawyer Kathleen Murphy, also family lawyer, 39 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: doctor Michelle du Pre, medical examiner and author of Homicide 40 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: Investigation Field Guide, and John Linley Crime online dot Com 41 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. Before I get all the facts, I wanted 42 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 1: to go out to Kathleen Murphy, family lawyer expert out 43 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: of North Carolina. You know Kathleen Murphy. Sometimes I feel 44 00:02:56,200 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: like the more you give, the more certain children get, 45 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: the more they are entitled, and then when they don't 46 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: get a particular thing, they nut up. You scare me. 47 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: You scare me because I have a twelve year old. 48 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: But Nancy, this case is very concerning to me, and 49 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: I can jump into it at anytime. But you're right, 50 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: we're spoiling our children and we need, we absolutely need 51 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: to have them outside in the backyard weeding and pulling 52 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: up rocks and pulling up dirt and working hard. Generation Now, 53 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: I don't see hard work. I don't see no. I 54 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: get what you're saying. But how often do you see 55 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: this is a slang term, but parenticide. Yeah, we see 56 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: it more and more, We see it more and more. 57 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: There's a trend. There's a trend, and it's concerning because 58 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: I feel like these kids that I see come in 59 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: and out of my court systems every day when the 60 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: parents are going through the divorce, they want to toddle 61 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: their kids, and I tell them, this is not the 62 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: time to title your children. This is the time to 63 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: hold them even more responsible. To John Linley, Crime online 64 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. Now, this kid, and I'm saying kid, 65 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: but he's nineteen, he's about to turn twenty, claims that 66 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: there was an intruder in the home. I can't properly 67 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: discuss the case without all the facts. I need those 68 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: facts to go to medical examiner doctor Michelle Dupree and 69 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: psychologist doctor Brian Russell. So, John line, let's just start 70 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: at the beginning. Sure, for our purposes, it's probably best 71 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: to begin. Around ten o'clock on the night of Thursday, 72 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: July twenty eighth, this family of four is heading to 73 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: bed for the night. It's the Armstrong family. Antonio Senior, 74 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: his wife Dawn, his then sixteen year old son, Antonio Junior. 75 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: Everyone calls him agent, the football star. I mean, this 76 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: guy's an NFL star. For those of you that don't 77 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: watch football every Sunday, the Dad Armstrong big NFL or 78 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: go ahead, right. He also played for the Canadian Football 79 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: League in the US, first at Texas A and M 80 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: and later with the Miami dolphins in the NFL. Also 81 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: in the household that night, there is another older son, 82 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: but he's not there with them. In the house that 83 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: night also Armstrong's youngest child, their daughter Kira. Before turning 84 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: out the lights, someone in the household turns on the 85 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: alarm and fairly soon all is quiet. Antonio Senior and 86 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: Dawn are in their bedroom on the second floor of 87 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: the house, with Kara just down the hall, sort of 88 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: on the opposite side of the house, but still on 89 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: the same floor. Ajas is in his loft style bedroom 90 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: on the third floor, so he's up there by himself 91 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: on that floor. It's really just another weeknight in the 92 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: Armstrong home. They're in the bel Air neighborhood of Houston, Texas. 93 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: Within just a few hours, though, all of that quiet disappears. 94 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: Aj is on the phone with a nine one one 95 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: operator reporting that he's heard gunshots coming from downstairs. He 96 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: thinks his parents' bedroom. Aj says that he thinks there's 97 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: an intruder in the house and he's hiding in an 98 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: upstairs closet when that nine one one call begins. Now 99 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: Nancy nine one one call was not released to the public, 100 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: but as Ivory Hecker with Fox twenty six tells us 101 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: it was played in court. In court, there was debate 102 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: over whether to let the jury hear the nine one 103 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: one call made by the team charged with capital murder. Ultimately, 104 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: the judge decided to let it play. Parts of the 105 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: call are hard to hear as Armstrong is whispering. The 106 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: prosecution transcribed its interpretation. We have the video of that transcript, 107 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: but the jury was instructed to listen for its own interpretation. 108 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: Part Way into the call, Armstrong tells the dispatcher he 109 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: thinks his dad kept a gun in the drawer right 110 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: next to his bed. Dispatcher's then ask if he hears 111 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: anything else. He says he hears a loud, high pitched noise. 112 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: The dispatcher asks where his parents' bedroom is located, then 113 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: tells him that the police are on their way. The 114 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: dispatcher asks does anyone need medical He says, I have 115 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: no clue. I don't know. He tells the dischpatcher he's 116 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: calling from a closet on the third floor of the 117 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: home and that his twelve year old sister is on 118 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: the second floor. Later in the call, he's heard saying 119 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: how'd you get into our house? The dispatcher says, if 120 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: you hear anything, it might be police, because they're almost there. 121 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: Armstrong says, I heard some of them. Armstrong is then 122 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: her giving further directions on how to get to the house. 123 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: The dispatcher asks if police knocked on the door yet. 124 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: He responds, mhm, go ahead, John Limley. What more do 125 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: we know? Well, while he's on the phone with the 126 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: nine one emergency opera reader, the operator hears AJ go 127 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: into his sister's room and wakes her up and together 128 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: that's where they wait for police to arrive. Now, when 129 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 1: investigators arrive at the house, from the outside, everything looks normal, 130 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: maybe a little too normal, if there is such a thing. 131 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: Nothing appears disturbed on the outside of the home. No 132 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: doors have been burst open, no broken windows. However, there's 133 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: something holding the cops back from initially getting inside the house, 134 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: and that's the alarm system. It's still on. They have 135 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: to wait for AJ to come and disarm it so 136 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: they can get inside. Once inside, investigators check out the 137 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: first floor. Of course, everything is in pristine shape, nothing 138 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: unusual until they get to the kitchen, and as we 139 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: heard in a clip earlier, on the kitchen counter is 140 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: a gun and a note that says we've been watching you. 141 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, it sounds straight out of a like 142 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: a fifth grade mystery novel, We've been watching you and 143 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: the gun laying there screaming, please find me. But you know, 144 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: this brings it down to two people in the home. 145 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: Weren't there the two parents, the football star Antonio Armstrong, 146 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: the wife, Dawn Armstrong, the son, a j Junior and 147 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: the little sister. Isn't that all that's in the home, right? 148 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: Just the four of them? Okay, so that's a yes. 149 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: So the alarm didn't go off. There's no sign of 150 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: a forced entry in any way. There's a gun lying 151 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: on the kitchen counter in a note that says we've 152 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: been watching you. But what could be the possible motive? 153 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: Crimes stories with Nancy Grace? The front doors locked and 154 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: the backdoors locked on the first floor, the windows and 155 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: let me back up locked and monitored. The door to 156 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: the garage monitored, the windows on the first floor closed, locked, 157 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: screens on the outside monitored by the system. So the 158 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: alarm didn't go off. There's no sign of a forced 159 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: entry in any way. There's a gun lying on the 160 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: kitchen counter in a note that says we've been watching you. 161 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: But let me ask you this literally, what could be 162 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: the possible motive? We know the little girl didn't do 163 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: it because we hear him a J junior waking her 164 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: up on the nine one one call if that is 165 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: to be leave, But what could be the possible mode 166 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: of Lemley? Well, it appears that in the past week 167 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: leading up to this date, Aj and his parents had 168 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: had a number of arguments over school, over his behavior, 169 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 1: really not concentrating enough on his school work, and he 170 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: had been grounded at one point. What do you know 171 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: about that? To doctor Brian Russell, we boy, do we 172 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: need a shrink, psychologist, lawyer or a host of fatal 173 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: vows on ID? What about the argument? Well, I think 174 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: all of this is indicative of what we were talking 175 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: about earlier, which is that you can get kids who 176 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: are feeling so entitled that when they get deprived of something, 177 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: they actually feel that that is that is an affront, 178 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: you know, and in this case, potentially a death penalty offense. 179 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: And you know, most parents who who find themselves in 180 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: this situation with their kids are not going to be 181 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: killed by their kids. But you have to keep in 182 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: mind that you know if you don't get this attitude 183 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: under control, at the very least, you're turning your kid 184 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: loose on the world, and not only not only to 185 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: do damage to others, but also to be knocked around 186 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: by others who aren't going to take their crap. We 187 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: also know that there's an older brother. He doesn't live 188 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: in the home, and the suspect in this case, Antonio 189 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: Armstrong Junior AJ is trying to point the finger at 190 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: his older brother who lives in a different area. Now, 191 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree, medical examiner and author of Homocide Investigation 192 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: Field Guide, You've been on so many murder scenes. The 193 00:12:54,880 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: home alarm was still in place. It had not alarmed, right, 194 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: So isn't it a very simple matter with the home 195 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: alarm and the alarm company to look at the data 196 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: you can see if say, let's just pretend and believe me. 197 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: This is pretending that the older brother came to the home, 198 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: knows the code, cuts the alarm off, goes in, kills 199 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: his parents, leaves behind a ridiculous note we've been watching 200 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: you and a gun, resets the alarm and leaves. Okay, 201 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: there's no blood on the doors, there's no blood on 202 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: the alarm, no blood in the kitchen, no trail of blood, nothing. 203 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: But isn't it true, doctor Michelle Dupree. You can look 204 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: at the history of an alarm. You can see what 205 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: it's been turned on and off. For instance, cops can tell, oh, 206 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: it was turned off one hour before the nine one 207 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: one call. Isn't that true? Yes, Nancy, that's exactly right. 208 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: And depending on how the alarm is set up, if 209 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: each person has of there a code, you may be 210 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: able to hell who turned it off and when. Another 211 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: issue to John Limley is they've got this alarm system 212 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: and you can't tell me. A guy that was with 213 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, Texas A and m then the Canadian 214 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: League they got some money, all right. I guarantee you 215 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: his alarm system was totally tricked out, including surveillance cameras 216 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: and number one. They can look at the security log 217 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: number two that doctor Dupree and I are just talking about. 218 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: Number two. There's probably surveillance video that, my guess is 219 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: going to show nobody coming into that home. John Linley, 220 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: what do you know. It's amazing, Nancy, how much of 221 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: this case actually hinges on that security system. One thing 222 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: that investigators found out through records from the from the 223 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: company that monitored the Armstrong home, is that when someone 224 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: turned on that alarm at nine fifty two pm on 225 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: that Thursday evening, they pressed the buttons stay. For anyone 226 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: who has a system, a security system, there are multiple 227 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: ways that you can set it for security, and stay 228 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: means that you want to make sure that people inside 229 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: the house can move around as they want to. They 230 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: can go down to the kitchen, maybe go to the 231 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: den and watch them TV move around without setting it off. 232 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: What will set it off in stay mode is if 233 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: a door or a window is open, and that is 234 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: the way it was set on that night. You know, 235 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: I've got another issue right here now. The suspect, the 236 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: nineteen year old son who's been given everything on a 237 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: silver platter by his NFL dad Antonio and mom Dawn 238 00:15:55,120 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: Armstrong out of love. He says a masked instrewder aim 239 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: in the home the night of the killings. So I 240 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: guess the masked intruder had the alarm coade. But in 241 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: his nine one one called John Linley, does he mention 242 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: a masked intruder or did that pop up later? No, well, 243 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: he doesn't mention the mask yet. He just says that 244 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: he believes there is an intruder in the home. And 245 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: that's when he's hiding in the bedroom before excuse me, 246 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: hiding in the closet before going to wake up his sister. 247 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: So he did not mention a mask on nine one 248 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: at all. And I'm called, does he say he saw 249 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: the alleged intruder. No. At this point, we think it's 250 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: just because of the gunshots that he heard down below 251 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: that he says he believes there is an intruder in 252 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: the house. The gunshot said did not wake up the 253 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: little sister. Okay, question to you, what do you make 254 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: of this? Witness Maxine Adams, who states the murders were 255 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: related to the dad's alleged involvement in a prostitution ring. Yeah, 256 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: that's something that has emerged of just in this sense 257 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: this has gone to court, that there is some sort 258 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: of nefarious business going on, a prostitution ring, a lot 259 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: of money changing hands, and that somehow Antonio Senior is 260 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: involved in all of this and this is some sort 261 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: of payback for a deal that went bad. On the 262 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: second floor windows not monitor and second floor windows are 263 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen feet up in the air, but windows, and 264 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: they went to bed that night, closed blocked screens on 265 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: the outside on the second floor, third floor. One thing 266 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: on the third floor really is the defendant's room, windows closed. 267 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: That was the safety That was the safety bubble that 268 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 1: had been set up by the Armstrong while no one's 269 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: bed that night. You know, John Limley, you've led me 270 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: all the way through the home. You told me about 271 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: the alarm system, But what you haven't told me about 272 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: is the single most important thing. The dead bodies, right, 273 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: the actual murder scene, which is the master bedroom. This 274 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: is when investigators move up after finding that gun and 275 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: note in the kitchen, move to the second floor of 276 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: the house. They enter Antonio and Dawn's room, and what 277 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: they see there could not be any different to what 278 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: they had seen on the first floor, which was almost 279 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: in pristine shape. Let's take a listen to Courtney Fisher 280 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: with ABC thirteen. A g Armstrong sat down with police 281 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: question for sixty minutes, how's your relationship with your parents? 282 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: Detectives begin, we were all like, really, dad was the 283 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: go to for everything aj described the day before Dawn 284 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: and Antonio were killed, nothing out of the ordinary. He 285 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: says he was still up at one am and as 286 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: he walked down from the third floor. He says he 287 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: heard two gunshots and saw an intruder run. I just 288 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: like personally felt bad because I saw the guy, Like, 289 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: I feel like I should have done something. What did 290 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: he look like? Asks the detective. They had it was 291 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: like a mask and you could only see the eyes 292 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: and the mouth, but he looked like a black guy. Later, 293 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: AJ says he's never touched his dad's gun, but then 294 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: changes his story when police say they found a bullet 295 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: hole in the team's bedroom floor, AJ admits he shot 296 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: the gun two to three weeks ago. About halfway through 297 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: the interview, AJ says, there will be no gunpowder, nothing 298 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: like that will come back on me. I had nothing 299 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: to do with this. Antonio Senior and Dawn have been 300 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: shot and pillows are covering their heads. Dawn is already 301 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: dead and Antonio's wait a minute, a minute, pillows covering 302 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: their heads? Correct. I wonder if they were shot through 303 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: the pillows or if the killer covered them up after 304 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: the murder, because that tells me it's not a random shooting. 305 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: Because a random shooting, I mean, first of all, you're 306 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: going to have a burglary or a sex assault. Neither 307 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: of those here. Nothing was taken, but a random killer 308 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: doesn't take the time to cover up the bodies. They 309 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: steal what they're going to steal, the get out of there. 310 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: Prosecutors contend it was a case of both that he 311 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: actually used the pillows to silence the gunfire, and once 312 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: the killings or almost killings when it comes to his dad, 313 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: are complete, he actually covers their heads with the pillows 314 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: and leaves the pillow there. And Dawn when police arrives, 315 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: she's already dead, and Antonio Senior is barely hanging onto 316 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: life and dies very soon after arriving at the hospital. 317 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: You know, John Louily, I'm very curious about that crime scene. 318 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: What other details can you give me? I'm trying to 319 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: figure out is there any way that a j junior 320 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: did not do this thing? From what investigators say, the 321 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: rest of the bedroom looks just as they assume the parents, 322 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: Antonio Senior and Dawn left it before going to bed. 323 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: There was nothing overturned. There was no ramsacking of the room. 324 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: Nothing had no drawers pulled out or anything. It is 325 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: just as if there was a shooting involved and absolutely 326 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: nothing else, No ramsacking, no theft, no sex assault, nothing, nothing. Now, 327 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: what were you telling me about the significance of the 328 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: alarm being on stay, because that, to me is very 329 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: very probitive. In other words, it proves something to me. 330 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: The stay function is when a family or anyone is 331 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: at home and they want to be able to move 332 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: about the house. Maybe they have a dog or cat 333 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: that is going to be moving around the house during 334 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: the night. They want that not to set off the alarm. However, 335 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: they do want the alarm to go off if a door, 336 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: the front door, back door windows are opened. Interesting in 337 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 1: the records that investigators find is there are also these 338 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: little monitors that are hooked up motion detectors on different 339 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: floors of the house. And the only movement after that 340 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: alarm is set around ten o'clock is shortly after one am. Incidentally, 341 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: the emergency call was made around one forty. The first 342 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: movement is seen on the third floor, as someone will 343 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: assume it's aj is coming down the stairs onto the 344 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: landing of the second floor, and then the next movement 345 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: after that is a good twenty twenty five minutes later. 346 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: Then there is movement detected on the first floor. Okay, 347 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: where are the parents' bedrooms? The parents' bedroom is on 348 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: the second floor right there in the middle of the house, 349 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: and the children are on the third floor. Well, the 350 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: daughter k Rug, She's actually on the same floor, the 351 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 1: second floor as her parents, but at the other end 352 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: of the house. AJ is the only one that has 353 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: a bedroom on the third floor up in the loft. Correct, 354 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: So let me understand what you're telling me. This alarm 355 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: system is so sensitive. A detective movement on AJ's floor, 356 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: then movement on the second floor and nothing for twenty 357 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: five minutes, then movement on the first floor where the 358 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: gun and the note is found. And then what well, 359 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: when that movement is first detected on the first floor, 360 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 1: it's another ten fifteen minutes before AJ makes that nine 361 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: one one call around one forty one forty one am 362 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: from a landline at the home. It's not known if 363 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: it was a landline or a cell phone. So recap. 364 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: You've got movement on a junior's floor, third floor, Then 365 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: you have movement on second floor where the parents are. 366 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: Then you have movement on the first floor where the 367 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: note and the gun are, and then before there's any 368 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: other movement, the nine one one call is made. Right, 369 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: And what's very interesting is the amount of time where 370 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: really no movement is detected in the hallways. From the 371 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: moment that someone goes from the third to second floor, 372 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,160 Speaker 1: there's this twenty twenty five minute gap with no one 373 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: in the hallways, then this other gap after someone moves 374 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: down to the first floor, and between that and the 375 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: nine one one call. It's not even the fact of 376 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 1: just dealing with not having my parents anymore. It's the 377 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: fact that I'm being accused of something of this magnitude 378 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: and I'm innocent. There was somebody else in the house 379 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: that night in a note that this is something I'm 380 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: being accused of just makes everything so much worse. Jail 381 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: was very, very hard. I mean I many sleepless nights 382 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: just not being able to be around my family. I 383 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: mean only having ten minute phone calls a week, like 384 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: it was just hard, and hearing my little sister on 385 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: the phone, like it was just tough to deal with 386 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: about how hard things get. I know, if I just 387 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 1: get into my word, I pray, I just I know 388 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: everything will turn out okay. I know I'll feel better. 389 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace at the core of this case, 390 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: when you look past the claims and evidence and opinions 391 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: are three heartbroken parents. They were amazing, They were two 392 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 1: amazing people. And Tonio's mother, Dawn's mother and father. They 393 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: are navigating the deep waters of grief but fully support 394 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: their grandson. And we've got waivering now. I wouldn't were 395 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: the thing. We know our grand we know what he's 396 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: capable of doing and what he's not capable of. Now 397 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: we know that he's not capable of murdering his mother 398 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: and his father. You know, it's amazing to me and 399 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: I want to go to you doctor Brian Russell on this. 400 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: You've got the dad who was an nfl are. The 401 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: only way that son could have overcome him is to 402 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: attack him in his sleep, attack him in his sleep, 403 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: attack him with a firearm. And I think that's another 404 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: thing that we ought to point out here that if 405 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: this kid is guilty, and I am don't get me wrong. 406 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: If anybody listens to the show regularly, they know I 407 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 1: am a huge Second Amendment supporter. However, one thing that 408 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 1: we know here, if this kid is guilty, is that 409 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: we have yet another teenager who found access to a firearm, 410 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: presumably his parents firearm in the home. And you got 411 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: to watch that parents You've got to keep these things. 412 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: If you're going to have him, you got to keep 413 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: him responsibly. The kids should have never had access. And 414 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: to you, doctor Michelle Dupree, renowned medical examiner, what does 415 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: it say to you why would he employ the use 416 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 1: of pillows in the martyr and NC That could be 417 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: several reasons. He could be silencing the noise. He could 418 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: also be trying to smother them. He could also be 419 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: covered them up after the fact as a sign of remorse. 420 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: Whatever was discovered about the alleged prostitution ring, is there 421 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: anything to that? There hasn't been a lot. It was 422 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: brought up sort of peripherally in arguments brought about by 423 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: the defense, but they didn't go into death. Got a witness, Maxie, 424 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: that is talking about it, right and as she is 425 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: the soul witness when it comes to this supposed prostitution ring. 426 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: Well wait a minute, so is she saying that the 427 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: NFL star Antonio Armstrong yeus prostitutes or ran a ring? Nancy, 428 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to Courtney Fisher with ABC thirteen 429 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: inter Maxine Adams, a close friend to Dawn and Antonio. 430 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: Six months after the murders, Adams spoke to police saying 431 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: her husband and Antonio were involved in a prostitution ring 432 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: and Antonio had received death threats. Prosecutors told AJ's attorneys 433 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: about that conversation quote the defense could have spoken with 434 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: Adams at the time, but chose not to do so. 435 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: The DA's office sent us that statement they declined to 436 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: be interviewed for this story. Wouldn't you have done your 437 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: due diligence and set your PI to talk for as 438 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: soon as you knew massing Adams is making claims about 439 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: this prostitution. We could have and that's probably a mistake 440 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: on our part. A year and a half later, AJ's 441 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: attorneys were given the taped conversation between Adams and police, 442 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: and it's thirteen minutes of full details, names, phone numbers, 443 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: people involved, how it worked. The woman said that must 444 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: sign was received and threatening phone calls. He did you 445 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: mean to tell me? That wasn't enough for you to 446 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: start investigating. She is saying that he was involved in 447 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: a ring that he didn't run, that he didn't run it, 448 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 1: but that there was also some real trouble when it 449 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: came to money that had changed hands or was supposed 450 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: to change hands. At one point and that's when the 451 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: trouble really started, and someone had motive to kill him, 452 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: somebody that was already hiding on the third floor. Okay, 453 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's bad enough that the guy is murdered 454 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: along with his wife, but then to drag his name 455 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: through the mud, and Nancy, can I weigh in on 456 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,479 Speaker 1: that for a second? Yes? Please. We recently spoke with 457 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: the Vitranos, and one of the things that I thought 458 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: of during that conversation, this is the family that the 459 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: parents of a young woman who was murdered, and it 460 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: took a long time. There was a mistrial and then 461 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: finally a verdict and a second trial. But one of 462 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: the things I thought about when we were talking with 463 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: them is, you know, the anguish that the survivors that 464 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: loved the victims go through is sort of the price 465 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: that we pay in our society for having a system 466 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: that goes to such eight lengths to make sure that 467 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: we don't lock up an innocent person. In other words, 468 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: we give the defense all kinds. I mean, we actually 469 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: stacked the deck in favor of the defense, and we've 470 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: decided as a society that we want to do that 471 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: because it's worse to us to lock up an innocent 472 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: person than to let a guilty person go free. I 473 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: understand it, and I'm an attorney, but one of the 474 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: things that I hate is that we allow defense attorneys 475 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: to throw up these wild theories that have virtually no support. Well, 476 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: maybe he was involved in a prostitution ring, and maybe 477 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: somebody came in here and knew the alarm code and 478 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: did this really complex James Bond style murder and got 479 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: back out and turned the alarm back on. Seriously, come on, 480 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean, we've got a young daughter here who survives 481 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: these parents. Presumably there's other extended family that are in 482 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: anguish right now, and it just bugs the hell out 483 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: of me when I heard these kinds of theories actually 484 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: being entertained. Let me ask you this. Now, we know 485 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: the defense was told during the case, during the investigation 486 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: on the son aj Jor, that the allegation of the 487 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: DAB being involved in a prostitution ring had been investigated 488 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: and was not credible that the investigation was complete. So 489 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: for eighteen months, the defense has been claiming that there 490 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: were all these recordings about a prostitution ring, and the 491 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: cops are saying they investigated those claims and that that 492 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: was not true. Let me ask you this, John Lemley 493 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: AJ Armstrong Junior were sixteen years old at the time 494 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: his parents were shot dead in their sleep. Is this 495 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: being tried in an adult court or GV court? It 496 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: was moved to adult court. And very interestingly about that 497 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: prostitution ring of this for Maxine Adams, she said on 498 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: the stand began because she was suspicious about what her 499 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: husband was doing. She said that Armstrong Senior and her 500 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: then husband, Cecil Adams, were involved in some sort of 501 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: prostitution ring. There were death threats, life insurance policy changes 502 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: at the time. Maxine said that she hired a private 503 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: investigator to snoop on her husband due to her suspicions. However, 504 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: in addition to not even remembering the name of the 505 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: PI that she hired, Adams could only point to very 506 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: vague indications of the alleged prostitution ring her ex husband 507 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: and Armstrong Senior were supposedly involved in, mostly phone records. 508 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: Adams testified she could not remember who told her about 509 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 1: the supposed death threats or about the deceased former footballer 510 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: changing his life insurance policy shortly before he was killed. 511 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: Great a man, let me just break that down. I've 512 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: been through this many many times in court trying murders 513 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: and all sorts of felony cases. The defense will come 514 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: up with a theory like, hey, it's not my guy. 515 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: There have been other break ins and rapes in that neighborhood, 516 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: that food did it. You can't just come up this 517 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: is the law, it's not me pontificating. The law does 518 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: not allow the defenst to just come up with a 519 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: theory and bring it into court like this woman Maxine 520 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 1: Adams claiming, you know, I had a PI on my 521 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: husband and he knew Antonio Armstrong and I think they 522 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,600 Speaker 1: were seeing hookers and they were part of a prostitution 523 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: ring and that's really what happened. No, you have to 524 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,800 Speaker 1: have credible evidence to bring that in as a defense. 525 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: All this testimony occurred and preachfile hearings. We wait as 526 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime story signing off, goodbye friend,