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Speaker 5: get to that. You know football is near, Ron Wolfley,

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Speaker 5: When Trey McBride and Nick Ross are barking at each

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Speaker 5: When Aaron Rodgers finally decides to show up for something

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Speaker 5: the precocious, the talented, the affable, Starling Thomas the Fifth.

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Speaker 1: You know, Paul, you bring up Starling Thomas the Fifth,

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Speaker 1: of course, and this guy was really a surprise last year.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sure it wasn't a surprise to star

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Speaker 1: Star Thomas is a player.

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Speaker 5: And look, Wolf we're gonna ask him about that Week

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Speaker 5: three starting assignment against Oh, I don't know, the Detroit

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Speaker 5: how good did that feel? Because we know I don't

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Speaker 5: know if he knows this, but coaches told us that

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Speaker 5: Lions coaches were pointing to Starling Thomas pregame and saying, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that was a regret mistake. We let that guy hit

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Speaker 5: Starling Thomas. We're going to talk to Starling Thomas all

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Speaker 5: about this Cardinals, what he's seen so far, where this

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Speaker 5: defense can go. And you're talking about OTA's here wolf

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Speaker 5: where you know what? Look the eyeball test so far,

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Speaker 5: a lot of guys are passing it, including Darius Robinson.

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Speaker 5: Did you not ask d rob what his weight was

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Speaker 1: Listen. If that does happen, look out, baby, that's gonna

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Speaker 5: Ford in Gilbert on the whole dynamic of broken plays

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Speaker 5: All you know is talking to Jacoby Brissett in this

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Speaker 6: I wanted more friction in off season so training camp really,

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Speaker 1: More friction, he said, more friction training camp really? Yes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So to me, PAULI, more friction is more contact. I

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Speaker 5: If you've been scoring at home? Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 5: There's been one fight that have got players kicked out

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to call it the walk of shame.

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Speaker 5: You already feel shame at that point. Well, this is.

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Speaker 1: Where you know what poly Seriously, you know how much

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Speaker 5: Well, if this got you in trouble with don't say it.

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Speaker 1: Don't say it still, Paul, it is it is okay.

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Speaker 1: I won't say okay, but you know how I feel

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Speaker 5: See I already think as a default setting going into

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it, PAULI in right now the OTAs.

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Speaker 1: What's going on right now with the OTAs, Man, this

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Speaker 7: I'm doing great man. Happy to be here man.

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Speaker 5: We had John last season. And among the other fun

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Speaker 5: and Gilbert. Do you still hang around Buddha.

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Speaker 7: Man, Yeah, it's my guy. Like as I next right

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Speaker 5: Honestly, how good did it feel? Come on, now we're

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Speaker 5: We had Paris Johnson junior in right, he was he

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Speaker 5: You can feel it already.

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Speaker 7: We can feel it already.

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Speaker 5: the Super Bowl? Right, Yeah? Who stands out so far?

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Speaker 5: Give me who's who's Maybe I don't know, a young guy,

436
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Speaker 5: a newcomer, players, no players, Is there anyone who's caught

437
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Speaker 5: your eye out there so far? Either side of the ball,

438
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Speaker 5: any position group?

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Speaker 7: This young guy on a defensive and uh, they say

440
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Speaker 7: Wats has been pretty good, and den Zale has been

441
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Speaker 7: pretty good. Max has been playing good. Will like all

442
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Speaker 7: the guys who brought in, Like, everybody's been playing good.

443
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Speaker 7: Cody's been playing good. Even Bug we call him Cante.

444
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Speaker 7: This is his name, so seventh rounder. Yeah, he's been

445
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Speaker 7: playing good. Man, everybody's been playing good.

446
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Speaker 5: What was your action when you saw the muscle mass

447
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Speaker 5: that Marvin Harrison Junior put on lining up?

448
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Speaker 4: Agains me?

449
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Speaker 7: Like, yo, man, did you did you grow a few?

450
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Speaker 5: Greg Dorsch was in here, He's like, he talked about,

451
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Speaker 5: you know what, now corners are going to face going

452
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Speaker 5: against Marvin Harrison Junior, and he paused, he said, yeah,

453
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Speaker 5: good luck with that. What what what is going to

454
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Speaker 5: make Marvin a challenge? Especially with the added strength? What

455
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Speaker 5: does that do for him? And when he's battling corners

456
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Speaker 5: one on one?

457
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Speaker 7: I feel like it's just give him more strength at

458
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Speaker 7: the top of his wraps. Marvin's already pretty good route runner,

459
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Speaker 7: he got great hands, good speed. I just felt like

460
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Speaker 7: he just added another layer on how good he's going

461
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Speaker 7: to be in his league. Honestly, he just keep adding

462
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Speaker 7: on to it. So I'm excited to see what he does.

463
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Speaker 7: I'm glad I get to go against him every day

464
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Speaker 7: and practice because it makes me better myself.

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, are there do you guys help each other out? Like,

466
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Speaker 5: okay after a rep or after a practice or maybe periodically,

467
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Speaker 5: do you tell each other Okay, I tried this, you know,

468
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Speaker 5: maybe you do that?

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Speaker 8: Do you?

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Speaker 5: You guys saw Yeah, paradogs like that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, definitely, because I was always good to see what

472
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Speaker 7: a receiver is seeing from a dB and what are

473
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Speaker 7: they're thinking and vice versas so, and we're teammates at

474
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Speaker 7: the end of the day, and we all want to

475
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Speaker 7: see each other do good and we all want to

476
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Speaker 7: win games. So if that's gonna be a way for

477
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Speaker 7: me to help him win games and me win, that's

478
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Speaker 7: a plus for us.

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Speaker 5: Starling Thomas the Fifth is our guest here in the

480
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Speaker 5: Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert Jalen

481
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Speaker 5: Thompson confirmed for us. So, when you guys are watching

482
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Speaker 5: film the last couple of months, so last season, you

483
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Speaker 5: started seeing your schemes being replicated by other teams.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that was crazy.

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Speaker 5: That's Good's a heck of a compliment, isn't it is?

486
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Speaker 7: Though? It is? It is. It was like, bro, are

487
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Speaker 7: they running the same thing? And we were running but

488
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Speaker 7: they didn't run it right there? Run it like us?

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Speaker 5: So, I mean, tell us about Nick Ross. What does

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Speaker 5: it like to play for such an innovative defensive coordinator?

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Speaker 7: Oh? Man, I love it. So many different schemes, so

492
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Speaker 7: many different techniques. He's always making a quarterback in the

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Speaker 7: offensive coordinator rethink you know, have them on an edge.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 7: I love Nick. He's He's also a high energy guy.

496
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Speaker 7: Who do you want to play for? He talks a lot,

497
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Speaker 7: you know, man, so we always want to back up

498
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Speaker 7: our decordinator. Man, So I love playing from Nick.

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Speaker 5: Trey McBride admitted he goes right after Nick Ross if

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Speaker 5: he ever makes a catch.

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Speaker 7: He does every time Trey cass theball, he looks right

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Speaker 7: at Nick.

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Speaker 5: And then Jacoby Brissett was in there and he's like,

504
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Speaker 5: oh yeah, I'm a trash talker. And you know, nobody

505
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Speaker 5: even has to start it with me. I'll started Jacoby.

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Speaker 5: That's the thing.

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Speaker 7: About this scene right now. Everybody's just so competitive.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 7: We love it and it's bringing the best out of everyone.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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Speaker 5: You know. During camp, Chris Stapleton, Country Music Superstar is

512
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Speaker 5: gonna be across the street. You're gonna take Buddha over

513
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Speaker 5: to a Chris Stapleton concert.

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Speaker 7: I have to is a must. I'm drag him out.

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Speaker 5: Have you helped him develop a little bit of an

516
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Speaker 5: affinity for country music?

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Speaker 7: He has grown? He has grown. He has grown. When

518
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Speaker 7: he goes golfing, he listens to it. Now, have you

519
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Speaker 7: taken up golfing? He's taking me, He's taking me?

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Speaker 5: All right, that's great, darling.

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Speaker 7: We really enjoyed it, have you, man?

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Speaker 5: We look forward to it. I mean twenty two starts

523
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Speaker 5: in two years. Think about that. Think about the depth

524
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Speaker 5: in the cornerback room. Think about what a loaded defensive

525
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Speaker 5: front is going to do for the secondary. We can't wait.

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Speaker 5: We continue. It is a big red rage presented by

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Speaker 5: santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford.

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Speaker 4: Play action of boot to the right. Murray looking downfield

529
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Speaker 4: now loves it deep heresigned Harrison count it looks funny.

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Speaker 4: Ten the ten. Parrison dies to the end zone.

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Speaker 3: He's in Touchdowwn step to Murray looking left now in trouble,

532
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Speaker 3: spins left now steps up running left.

533
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Speaker 4: Murray breaks a tackle looking end zone, firing.

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Speaker 3: Left side, a sliding tuch for a touchdown and it's Higgins.

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray does it again for Murray Magic.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray staying alive with it looked like he was

537
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Speaker 1: gonna be sacked.

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray, who takes the shotgun step backs up, looks

539
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Speaker 3: left everybody covered. Murray spins to his left, now running

540
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Speaker 3: being chased by Young at the five yard line, and

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Speaker 3: Murray hoists it deep in near side. Harrison Clottet had

542
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Speaker 3: a fifty yard line and he's tackled there. An incredible

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Speaker 3: play by Kyler Murray to keep that play alive.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many human beings make that play that.

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray just played the mighty Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 5: No doubt when he's at his best. The Cardinals are

547
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Speaker 5: at their best, and they're one of the best offenses

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Speaker 5: in the NFL. It is the Big Red Rage presented

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Speaker 5: by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Paul

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Speaker 5: calvec Ron Wolfley. We're going to get into Kyler in

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Speaker 5: the offense, but special thanks to Starling Thomas once again

552
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Speaker 5: his off season training addition where he's replicating baby steps

553
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Speaker 5: in not so many words. I think that went way

554
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Speaker 5: above my head. He says it's working though for him

555
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Speaker 5: out on the field, So we'll take his word for

556
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Speaker 5: it on that one. How about the fact that he confirmed,

557
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Speaker 5: just like Jalen Thompson, the teams did steal the Cardinals

558
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Speaker 5: defensive schemes at the end of last year, except as

559
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Speaker 5: Starling told us, yeah, they really weren't doing it right.

560
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Speaker 5: They weren't doing it for the caliber Nick Rowlis wanted

561
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Speaker 5: it in the way he designed it, Okay, and then

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Speaker 5: Wolf he can already tell even out during OTAs that

563
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Speaker 5: the pass rush has been elevated, that the Cardinals front seven,

564
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Speaker 5: all the investments are going to pay off. They're already

565
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Speaker 5: paying off. He can already tell the way they're going

566
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Speaker 5: to be able to affect the quarterback this year. I mean,

567
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Speaker 5: you talk about tick talk. We all look forward to that.

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it, Paul. I mean, think about it.

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Speaker 1: As a quarterback. You love the dynamic where you know

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Speaker 1: your offensive protection is really really good, and it's not

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Speaker 1: just the offensive line, it's everybody. The receivers are going

572
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Speaker 1: to run their right route, the offensive line is going

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Speaker 1: to protect there, your running back is going to pick

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Speaker 1: up litz Is. If you can actually have that kind

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Speaker 1: of confidence in your protection. It makes a quarterback that

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Speaker 1: much better when that protection breaks down, when he can't

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Speaker 1: count on being protected. Oh man, that's a big advantage

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Speaker 1: to the defense.

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Speaker 5: And then there are a handful of quarterbacks that when

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Speaker 5: the production breaks down, it doesn't matter because they have

581
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Speaker 5: the athleticism to get out and make a defense pay.

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Speaker 5: Kyler Murray is most definitely one of those quarterbacks. Talking

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Speaker 5: to Jacoby Brissett QB two this week, Wolf, he said,

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Speaker 5: you know the difference between me and Kyler is I

585
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Speaker 5: have a six yard run and for Kyler that's a

586
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Speaker 5: touchdown run. He said, that's just one of the many differences.

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Speaker 5: He had some self deprecating humor on that one. But seriously, though,

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Speaker 5: Kyler Murray this offseason. In fact, back in April, Cardinals

589
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Speaker 5: Corner Arizona Sports in April, talking to Tyler Drake, he

590
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Speaker 5: broke down, Okay, what happens when plays break down and

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Speaker 5: how I can produce more.

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Speaker 8: I think where we could be better as a unit

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Speaker 8: in myself as extending plays in scrambled drill, because I mean,

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Speaker 8: you go, look, you look at Josh, you look at Lamar,

595
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Speaker 8: like a lot of things that they do the sexy

596
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Speaker 8: plays come from outside of the pocket and when things

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Speaker 8: break down. That's something that me is you and Drew

598
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Speaker 8: have talked about, is guys have to confinue to move,

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Speaker 8: Guys have to continue stay active when play breaks down,

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Speaker 8: because you know that's gonna happen with a guy like myself,

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Speaker 8: you know, being quarterbacks. So I think that's a big area.

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Speaker 8: Aphysis is make it things happen whatever plays breakdown.

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Speaker 5: You know, he mentioned Josh Allen Lamar Jackson more than once.

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Speaker 5: It's almost like he was sitting around watching the AFC

605
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Speaker 5: playoffs and sort of had an epiphany, said, you know

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Speaker 5: what I can do that Maybe I need to get

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Speaker 5: back to doing that. Because Wolf, if you go back

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Speaker 5: to the first half of twenty twenty one when he

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Speaker 5: was a legitimate MVP candidate, he was doing a lot

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Speaker 5: that wasn't.

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Speaker 1: He Yeah, No, he was Paully, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 1: And this is the great conversation that we have had

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Speaker 1: over the years with Kyler Murray. This, Polly is a

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Speaker 1: great example. It's a great soundcut because to me, this

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Speaker 1: is what I want to see from Kyler Murray. This

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Speaker 1: is when I want Kyler Murray to run the ball.

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Speaker 1: I don't want a lot of called runs for Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 1: Polly every now and then, is it a bad idea

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Speaker 1: to go ahead and have a quarterback sweep or go

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Speaker 1: ahead with the you know, the read option. Of course

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Speaker 1: you can do all of these things. But Paul to

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Speaker 1: me once again, you want the defense to know, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we will run him. You don't think we're gonna run him.

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Speaker 1: We will. You better pay attention to that. But man,

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Speaker 1: more than anything, when it breaks down, when he has

626
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Speaker 1: got to go out there and create, that's when I

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Speaker 1: want him to use his legs, not just to run,

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Speaker 1: not just to always run the ball, but to extend

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Speaker 1: the play like we have seen him do famously over

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Speaker 1: the first seven years of his career.

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Speaker 5: No doubt. And look, especially in the red zone. To

632
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Speaker 5: your point, you know, okay, a design run here, they're

633
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Speaker 5: absolutely warranted, really effective when he's trying to beat someone

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Speaker 5: to the pylon.

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Speaker 1: I get it.

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Speaker 5: But even Kyler Murray said over the years he'd much

637
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Speaker 5: rather have it be organic that when he sees open

638
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 5: green or he sees a defense with their backs to him,

639
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Speaker 5: and then he takes off and we all know how

640
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 5: backbreaking and demoralizing it is when it's third and fourteen

641
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 5: to the quarterback runs for fifteen. So there's that and

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Speaker 5: then there's another aspect of how this offense is evolving,

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Speaker 5: and that's something that Trey McBride talked about this week, saying,

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Speaker 5: you know what, more sauce please.

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Speaker 6: It's not as fundamental, it's not as basic. They're adding

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Speaker 6: a lot of motions and a lot of you know,

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Speaker 6: sauce is what I call it, just putting a little

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Speaker 6: you know, extra flavor on the same plays that we have,

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Speaker 6: maybe motion guys to it, running different guys in different things,

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Speaker 6: So trying to stick to our main you know, concepts

651
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Speaker 6: that we have, but dressing them up in different ways,

652
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Speaker 6: whether you know, one guy's running a motion or some

653
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 6: guys doing a route. But it's all kind of the

654
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 6: same concepts, just different ways to get to it. So, yeah,

655
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 6: this offense can be very complex. And the way that

656
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 6: Drew and these guys have changed throughout the offseason and

657
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Speaker 6: continue to build it, it's been a lot of fun

658
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Speaker 6: and I'm excited to see us in action area.

659
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Speaker 5: You know, Drew Petsing likes to use the word multiple.

660
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 5: We can do multiple things out of the same personnel group.

661
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 5: Multiple things out of the same formation. I tend to think,

662
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Speaker 5: just because they're in the Cardinals division, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh,

663
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 5: how many times maybe are they running a similar play,

664
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Speaker 5: but it's not a totally different personnel or a different formation.

665
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Speaker 5: At least that's what defensive players have said over the years,

666
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Speaker 5: and it can make it really hard to predict, really

667
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Speaker 5: hard to decipher what's coming when. And so now that

668
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Speaker 5: some of these guys have another year under their belt

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Speaker 5: of this system, it would make sense, wouldn't it that

670
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Speaker 5: the football IQ goes up and now the offensive cornera

671
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Speaker 5: can dial up a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it, Belly, right now, this is the

673
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Speaker 1: next step for Kyler Murray and this offense. It's year

674
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Speaker 1: three and Drew Petsing's offense now they have definitely got

675
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Speaker 1: to step it up. Pauli, There's no doubt about that.

676
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Speaker 1: I think we're going to see that Sauce, as Trey

677
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Speaker 1: McBride is talking about right now. But for me, the

678
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Speaker 1: broken plays once again, Bali, they got to be able

679
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Speaker 1: to capitalize on that first and foremost. I think the

680
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Speaker 1: chemistry with Marvin Harrison Junior that has got to be

681
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Speaker 1: number one, Paulli number two. It's improving in these broken

682
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Speaker 1: plays for me. But yeah, the sauce is moving around

683
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Speaker 1: this offensive front and getting some type of motion where

684
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Speaker 1: defenses are constantly making checks on what you're doing. I

685
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Speaker 1: know why Drew Petsing didn't make it complicated. I know

686
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Speaker 1: why he did last year, and that was because he

687
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Speaker 1: wanted Marvin Harrison Junior and Kyler Murray to be really,

688
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Speaker 1: really base and try to build some type of foundation

689
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Speaker 1: for chemistry. That's what he wanted more than anything else. Paully.

690
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Speaker 1: Now they can build on that foundation and from last year.

691
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Speaker 1: But to me, that's why he didn't do a lot

692
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Speaker 1: of movement. He didn't want it to be complicated for

693
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Speaker 1: Kyler or for Marvin Harrison Junior. Now it's time to

694
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Speaker 1: take that next step together.

695
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Speaker 5: And the one play that both Kyler and Drew Petsen

696
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Speaker 5: have cited over and over his evidence was week to

697
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Speaker 5: touchdown number two against the Rams, the sixty yarder, Oh yeah,

698
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Speaker 5: where Kyler bought time and pointed and there was Marvin

699
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Speaker 5: Harrison Junior going to a vacated space in the defense.

700
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 5: It was basically backyard football and then Kyler boom hits

701
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Speaker 5: him in stride and then Marvin Harrison does the rest

702
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Speaker 5: and he houses it all the way to the pylon.

703
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Speaker 5: That's the kind of thing that you know, Kyler has

704
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Speaker 5: talked about, and I think rightfully so receivers cannot give

705
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Speaker 5: up on a play, keep running because you never know

706
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Speaker 5: your quarterback is going to extend a play for a

707
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Speaker 5: stupid amount of time. I mean, yes, the receivers have

708
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Speaker 5: to stay active, don't they.

709
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they have to, you know. And that really

710
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Speaker 1: is that when you hear him say the scram drill

711
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Speaker 1: when you're Kyler talking about it as well, and some

712
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Speaker 1: other cuts that we have played throughout the years. When

713
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: he's talking about that, they do that over and over

714
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Speaker 1: and over again in practice. The scramble drill is real

715
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Speaker 1: and it's alive, and it's something that's got to become

716
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Speaker 1: a significant part of what the Arizona Cardinals are going

717
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Speaker 1: to do because it is the wild card. And one

718
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Speaker 1: other thing too, Bali. While we're talking about all of this,

719
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Speaker 1: but man, and you already touched on it a little bit,

720
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Speaker 1: but when a play breaks down because the opposing defense

721
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Speaker 1: is getting pressure and getting after Kyler Murray and he

722
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: breaks out of that pressure, and you've got man covered

723
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Speaker 1: down the field and suddenly he converts a third and

724
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Speaker 1: thirteen like Russell Wilson used to do when he was

725
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: up in Seattle. It just breaks the defensive coordinator's heart.

726
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Speaker 1: It sucks the life out of a defense who has

727
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Speaker 1: done every right on first down, everything right on second down,

728
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Speaker 1: got you into a third and thirteen, and suddenly that

729
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Speaker 1: quarterback converts with his legs. It is demoralizing, Paul.

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Speaker 5: You can sense it, just the vibe, the body language,

731
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Speaker 5: the slump shoulders on the sideline. It really is demoralizing, deflating.

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Speaker 5: So we heard from Trey McBride there. We talked about

733
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Speaker 5: Marvin Errison Junior. I want to know who's the third

734
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Speaker 5: receiving option in this offense. When we come back, I'm

735
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Speaker 5: gonna talk about position battles, where is it most competitive,

736
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Speaker 5: Who exactly is the quarterback of the defense. We're gonna

737
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Speaker 5: get into all that next. Hey, get ready for the

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Speaker 5: in Gilbert.

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Speaker 3: To Gino drops back, the pass gets hit, the ball

746
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Speaker 3: comes out, and it's recovered by Smith that the forty

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Speaker 3: one Zaven Collins in the backfield.

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Speaker 4: Boys, he having a day.

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Speaker 9: I still do a lot of crazy stuff. I got'ta

750
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Speaker 9: line up in the hay gap and still drop Nick

751
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 9: likes to stretch the limits of how hard can we

752
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Speaker 9: make this?

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Speaker 1: This drob Nick rawl is doing a great job disguising

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Speaker 1: what he's going to do.

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Speaker 9: They make it very simple for you know, guys to

756
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Speaker 9: be able to be in that defense, especially a bigger

757
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Speaker 9: body guy that has to drop and what they ask

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Speaker 9: of us. They're very cognizant of what they want us

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Speaker 9: to do and how they want us to do it.

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Speaker 5: Well, remember the win in Miami last year and I

761
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 5: think we all did a double take. Wait a minute,

762
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 5: is that Zabon Collins at nearly six five to seventy

763
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Speaker 5: something running straight down the middle of the field one

764
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Speaker 5: on one with Tyreek Hill And it was a definitive yes,

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Speaker 5: as he confirm last season, right here actually on the

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Speaker 5: Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. He

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Speaker 5: was elaborating on that a little bit more this week

768
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Speaker 5: in meeting the media, And so when Starlin Thomas on

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Speaker 5: this episode confirms it, yes, other teams are replicating Nick

770
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Speaker 5: Rollis's schemes. I don't know if that's one of them,

771
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Speaker 5: having you know, a guy who is the starting middle

772
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Speaker 5: linebackers now edge player actually covered the likes of a

773
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Speaker 5: Tyreek killed downfield. But yeah, sometimes it can get pretty

774
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Speaker 5: dang innovative, can it not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. Bully and what they

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Speaker 1: have done with Zavan Collins lining them up in that

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Speaker 1: A gap, Paul. A lot of the times they're playing

778
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Speaker 1: Tampa too, and that's when you have two safeties high

779
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: and that Mike backer is running down the middle of

780
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Speaker 1: the field. But rarely are you ever going to put

781
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Speaker 1: that Mike backer in the A gap and drop him

782
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Speaker 1: into the middle of the field, hunting up the number

783
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Speaker 1: two receiver typically towards the strength of the formation that

784
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: is Tampa too. It's been around a long time, but man,

785
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of different ways you can get to

786
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: Tampa to and execute.

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Speaker 5: It, all right, let's talk about middle linebacker. It used

788
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 5: to be the position for Zamon Collins. For a few

789
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 5: days in the offseason, had a hot take that maybe

790
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Speaker 5: Zamon Collins was going back to mike backer. That's a

791
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Speaker 5: definitive no. Thanks KLVC for wasting our time on that one.

792
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 5: It is going to either be from what we can tell,

793
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Speaker 5: Michael Walker, a Keen Davis Gaither or the rookie Cody

794
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Speaker 5: Simon Wolf. How would you handicap thinks? How wide open

795
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Speaker 5: is this battle to be the quarterback of the defense

796
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Speaker 5: now that team captain Kaizer White, from all appearances, will

797
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Speaker 5: not be back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Paully. I think a Keen Davis Gaither

799
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Speaker 1: is the guy that actually has the inside hand, so

800
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Speaker 1: to speak, on this. I think he's got the best

801
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Speaker 1: opportunity to be your starter. I will say that Cody

802
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Speaker 1: Simon is fascinating to me. He really is. I think

803
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Speaker 1: he's smart enough to actually do it. Now. I don't

804
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: think he's smart enough to actually go out and have

805
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: the green dot, but I do believe he's smart enough

806
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Speaker 1: to actually line up and play inside linebacker, play the

807
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Speaker 1: mike backer position in the National Football League. Now, man,

808
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: that is a that is a tall, tall order right

809
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Speaker 1: there to actually fill because it's very difficult. You've got

810
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Speaker 1: to know everything. You have got to understand what an

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Speaker 1: offense is doing, what schemes are doing. And the thing

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Speaker 1: he lacks the most is the experience of playing in

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Speaker 1: an NFL box, not a college box, an NFL box.

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Speaker 1: And that's the one reason why I pause and hesitate,

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Speaker 1: because I think Cody Simon has the physical abilities to

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Speaker 1: do that job and do it very very well, and

817
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Speaker 1: the mentality, but he just lacks the experience. And it's

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Speaker 1: the reason why I would say that Davis Gaither is

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Speaker 1: probably in the lead.

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Speaker 5: And what's really interesting, because we talked to him earlier

821
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Speaker 5: this week, is that he really had a mac Wilson

822
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Speaker 5: senior finish to twenty twenty four for the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 5: What mac Wilson senior did in December and January for

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Speaker 5: the Patriots, which got him paid by the Cardinals a

825
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Speaker 5: keen Davis Gath almost replicated that. He went from a

826
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Speaker 5: special team's assassin special teams captain to a starting inside linebacker.

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Speaker 5: He had a thirteen tackle game at Pittsburgh. He had

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Speaker 5: a twelve tackle game against Tennessee. He had another twelve

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Speaker 5: tackle game in the rematch against Pittsburgh in the season.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he ended the year as a tackling machine.

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Speaker 5: And I think he put film out there Wolf you

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Speaker 5: tell me where JG and MONTIOSIV were like, wait a minute,

833
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Speaker 5: maybe this guy is ready for more. Maybe this guy

834
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Speaker 5: can wear the green dot and call our defense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul, I mean he averaged nine point seven tackles

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Speaker 1: per game. You know, that's pretty dog on good right there. Again,

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Speaker 1: for a guy that came in under the auspices in

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Speaker 1: which he did, being a special teams player and then

839
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Speaker 1: getting the start over the last six games for the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: that really is a nice little sample size. Yet at

841
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Speaker 1: the same time, time, man, you gotta be careful. He's

842
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Speaker 1: going to have to come in here, I think, and

843
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Speaker 1: I think he's going to have to win that job.

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Speaker 1: I think that's going to be an open competition right there,

845
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Speaker 1: don't you, Paul.

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Speaker 5: I do you know? And he's the son of a coach,

847
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 5: right as his father is an assistant at Virginia, And

848
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 5: he said sometimes he'll even get feedback on his phone

849
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 5: at halftime from his dad. So he has a high

850
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 5: football at QUB by all accounts, I want to ask

851
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 5: you real quick. We teased it wide receiver two and

852
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 5: three after Marvin Arson Junior, after training Bride at tight

853
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 5: end your top two targets. But wait a minute, isn't

854
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 5: the room for someone to establish themselves, especially as wide

855
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 5: receiver two on this roster?

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00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, there's no doubt about it. I mean,

857
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Speaker 1: Greg Derch, I think once again is going to be

858
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: one of your starters in eleven personnel. I think Michael

859
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: Wilson is going to have the opportunity to go out

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Speaker 1: there and prove that he is not the guy. I

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Speaker 1: think he is going to be the guy because I

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00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: believe in Michael Wilson. I think he's going to continue

863
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: to take that next step. But yeah, there's some interesting

864
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: guys they have PAULI that are out there that could

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Speaker 5: Even Zay Jones, who sort of had a pretty solid

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Speaker 5: finish in week seventeen and eighteen when he finally got

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Speaker 5: in rhythm, got some targets. He could be an intriguing

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Speaker 5: Guy's had some huge seasons in the NFL. He told

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Speaker 5: us this week he feels really good. So there's that,

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Speaker 5: and then there's corner. I mean even minus Sean Murphy

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Speaker 5: Bunting done for the year with injury. I consider that

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Speaker 5: pretty wide open, including the rookie Will Johnson, who I

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Speaker 5: think is gonna be given every opportunity to be a

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be fascinating to watch. Are you really going

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Speaker 1: to take Will Johnson and stick him out there on

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Speaker 1: an island? Are you gonna do that? Week one? Are

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Speaker 1: you gonna do that? Are you gonna run him out there?

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Speaker 1: And he's gonna be the starter coming out of training camp? Yes,

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Speaker 1: is my answer to that. I think the kids got

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Speaker 1: everything that he needs. And what I love about this

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Speaker 1: the vetting process with JG of course, and Manti asen

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Speaker 1: Fort and every kid they bring onto this roster right now.

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Speaker 1: They have a great way of vetting this guy and

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Speaker 1: whether or not he's got the mentality, whether or not

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Speaker 1: he's got the intellect to actually come on and play

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Speaker 1: the position and do it well as a young guy man.

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Speaker 1: To me, they're really really high on Will Johnson in

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Speaker 1: regard to his brain and in regard to his physical gifts.

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Speaker 1: And because of that, I think, Paul, this is just

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Speaker 1: it's not even a hot take, is it. But Will

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Speaker 1: Johnson's your starter week one.

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Speaker 5: How many times Jonathan Gannon called him a quote perfect

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Speaker 5: scheme fit. Yeah, Drew Standon told us on the Red

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Speaker 5: Sea Report, Wink Martindale, the defensive coordinator from Michigan runs

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Speaker 5: an NFL caliber defense, very complex, very complicated, very exotic

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Speaker 5: at times. If Will Johnson can master that defense in

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Speaker 5: one year, then he's equipped for the NFL. So I

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Speaker 5: thought that was really intriguing. And then if he truly

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Speaker 5: is an elite corner think about the fact that Patrick Sir,

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Speaker 5: Tam Sauce Gardner, Derek Stingley Junior, they have started every

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Speaker 5: single game of their NFL career. The moment they were drafted,

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Speaker 5: they were starters, not unlike Marvin Arrison Junior, not unlike

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Speaker 5: Paris Johnson Junior. I mean, if he's that dude, if

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Speaker 5: he's that good, if he's a legitimate top fifteen player

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Speaker 5: in this draft, win healthy, and the only reason he

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Speaker 5: fell is because of some erroneous claims about his knee,

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Speaker 5: then I agree with you. He easily could be cornerback

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Speaker 5: one when they break camp in August.

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Speaker 1: And Paul, that is a jammed room now cornerback, which

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Speaker 1: is amazing right now because it was a going into

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Speaker 1: last season. We thought it was a weakness. It didn't

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Speaker 1: turn out to be a weakness. Now it's a jam

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Speaker 1: pack room.

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Speaker 5: No doubt. Maximelon looked really good at the end of

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Speaker 5: last year. Starling Thomas our guest tonight. He started twenty

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Speaker 5: two games in two years, so it is going to

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Speaker 5: be highly competitive. Not to mention Garrett Williams, you're starting

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Speaker 5: nickel corner, one of the highest graded corners in the

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