1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Kiki's court. All rise, the honorable is here, Judge Kiki. Yeah, 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: it's your courtroom. Take it away, all. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: Right, let's step into the courtroom. It says, Hey, Kiki, 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: am I wrong for preventing one of my senior students 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: from attending prom. I've been a teacher for ten years now, 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: and this is the first time I've had this issue. 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: One of my students has been a constant problem and 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: pain in my behind since this school year started. He's 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: a senior and this is his last chance to attend prom. 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: While I understand how important PROM is to him and 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 2: his family, I can't understand why it hasn't been so 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: important to him and his parents that he passed my class. 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: Our school has a very strict GPA requirement for all students, 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: and unfortunately, he's been failing my class all year. I 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 2: repeatedly contact his parents and ask for their support to 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: come up with an action plan to help him. They've 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: missed every meeting that we've scheduled, and they've ignored my 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: emails and calls until now. Now his mother is sending 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: me emails, leaving asty voicemails, and even calling our principal 20 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: to pressure me to adjust his grade in my class. 21 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: He did a huge prom proposal, secured a date, and 22 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: has been telling everyone that he's actually going. 23 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 3: However he's not. 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: I feel bad that I will be the cause of 25 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: him missing out on his senior prom. 26 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: I feel bad for his date. 27 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: But what kind of example would I be setting if 28 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: I let for my other students if I let him go? 29 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 3: Am I wrong? 30 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: Judge, Kiki? What say you? 31 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 3: You know what? 32 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 2: I'm always for the teacher, I am. I'm on the 33 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 2: side of the teacher in this case. I feel like, 34 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: what can not only what kind of example are you 35 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: setting for the other students if you tweak his grade? 36 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: But what are you setting him up for in life? 37 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: Because you cannot just fail all of your responsibilities and 38 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: then still think that you get to enjoy the reward. 39 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: That's insane. 40 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: Like, if you've been failing my class, you've been a 41 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: pain in my butt, so you've probably been very disrespectful. 42 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: I've been trying to contact your parents and work on 43 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: an action plan to help you get ahead, to help 44 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: you graduate, to help you get to prom, and they've 45 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: made no effort. But now that it's prime time, you know, 46 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: now your mom is calling. Now she wants to email. 47 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: You know, your parents have failed you and you failed yourself. 48 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: You're a senior at this point, and if you're not 49 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 2: holding up to your responsibilities, there's the consequences to that. 50 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: And I don't think she should feel bad about it. 51 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: I agree, Judge Kiki, how wise, thank you wise and sound. 52 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: Here's a song forget about Let's go home. It's over 53 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: eight five five one oh three five. You can call 54 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: him text the same number. I mean, you could make 55 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: the argument that this is a once in a lifetime 56 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: thing and he'll go the rest of his life without 57 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: ever having gone to his senior problem. Now, you also 58 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: have to get good grades or passing grades at least, 59 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you you And that 60 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: was the thing. It's like you either meet this level, 61 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: this minimum requirement, or you don't get to go. So 62 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: you're right if you just say, now, well that thing 63 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: I said before, I didn't really mean that right? Right? 64 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 4: Then? 65 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: Why did everybody else work so hard? 66 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: And I've seen teachers get this type of pressure, not 67 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: even just from parents, but from other minustration at the school, 68 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: especially for students who are sports players play you know, 69 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: the star basketball player, the star football player, it's almost 70 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: like to the teacher like, come on, man, you know 71 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: we need him, so give them the grade. 72 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: And it's like, no, these they need to earn their grades. 73 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: You can't just be us in class and not do 74 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: what you're supposed to do and then still think that 75 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: you should be allowed to go to Prome or allowed 76 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: to play play in the game. 77 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: That's not how it works. 78 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: And I feel like when we allow kids to do that, 79 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: we're setting them up for failure. 80 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: You do them in disservice because in the real world, 81 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: nobody cares, nobody can know. It's like, if you don't 82 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: get the work assignment done, then you might get fired. 83 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: And that's your fault. There's nobody else's fault. That's what 84 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: you're supposed to do. Mm hmm yeah, yeah, I mean, 85 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: and let me see all these texts. That's his fault. 86 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: And he failed his date by not being truthful with 87 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: her and she probably already bought an expensive dress. That's it. Yeah, 88 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: that sucks for the date. 89 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: Right, And I'm sure the mom was like helping him 90 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: play the Prome proposal, but you're not helping him get 91 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: his grades. 92 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 5: That's the difference for me is that the parents weren't 93 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 5: cooperative from the beginning. Like so now I'm almost feeling 94 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 5: bad for him because like he may not have the 95 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 5: support system at home to push him to be able 96 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 5: to catch up to everyone else, to be able to 97 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 5: go right. Sure, if you were, you know, if the 98 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 5: parents were involved right from the beginning, when the teacher said, hey, 99 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 5: there's a problem and you're kind of getting you know, 100 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 5: the push from home and school and you're still not 101 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 5: doing it, then I might feel a little bit different. 102 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 5: But I feel bad that he might lose out on 103 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 5: like these memories just because you know, he might not 104 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 5: have the most. 105 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: I've bet this happens a lot of I mean it 106 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: happened a lot because I bet teachers go home feeling 107 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: bad about what they weren't able to get their students 108 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: to achieve, when really it, while it is their job 109 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: to a certain extent, it's the parents' job to back 110 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: up the you know, the what the teachers to try 111 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: and do instill because it's not a teacher's job to 112 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: raise children, even though I think a lot of teachers 113 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: are doing it. But that must be really frustrating because 114 00:04:57,040 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 1: you feel like, I'm sure this this teacher feels like 115 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: she's failing the kid and she gets to well she 116 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: is feeling the kid, but he's failing. It's the class. 117 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: But like she gets to be the bad person here, 118 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: but she's going above and beyond to try and get 119 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: him to succeed. So I feel bad for the teacher. Urie, 120 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: how your how you doing? 121 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 6: Hey? 122 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 2: Guy? 123 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 4: Something good? 124 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:19,799 Speaker 7: How about yourself? 125 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 8: Hey? 126 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: Good morning? Hey, thank you thanks for listening being part 127 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: of the show. 128 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 9: Thanks Eddie and Jumble. 129 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: Oh wow wow, I didn't know they worked here, but 130 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: God bless you the other place without business. So yeah, 131 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: so what's going on? What do you think about this 132 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: this court case? I mean, the teacher is trying to 133 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: save this kid in a lot of ways and get 134 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: him to perform, and he's not. And and there was 135 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: a there were there were guidelines, there was you know, 136 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: you had to meet this requirement or you can't go 137 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: to prom. He didn't meet the requirement, so he's not 138 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: going to problem and now the teacher feels bad about it. 139 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 7: With the teacher Kiky. 140 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 4: As parents and as a teacher, I help teachers before 141 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 4: you trust them so much for them to do their 142 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 4: own work, and if they cannot man up. 143 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 7: Or do their job, as an adult. Technically, he's an 144 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 7: adult already. He should be responsible for his own self. 145 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 7: And if his parents are sugar coating him not able 146 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 7: to do his job, then there's no point out her 147 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 7: letting him. She's trying to let him go regardless, because 148 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 7: if she lets if she lets him past and just 149 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 7: let him go like that, she's sugarcoating his grapes, like, Oh, 150 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 7: it's okay, don't worry about that. Feel bad. 151 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 4: No, there's no such thing as feeling bad or no 152 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 4: excuse it at all. I was just saying earlier, like 153 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 4: my daughter myself. I have a daughter, she's a summer 154 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 4: and having her TwixT sixteen this year. So I told her, 155 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 4: I know I haven't been there to help job, but 156 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 4: if you don't make up your grace, I will cance 157 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 4: your party and you're done. I know it works for 158 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 4: fort first, I argue, and then the parents not doing 159 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 4: the part either. That's therefore also so there's always a 160 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 4: teacher's part, but the parents do nothing that should have 161 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 4: been done the first place. Happening. 162 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: You're I agree, Thank you, have a good day, Thanks 163 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: for listening. 164 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: Keep standing on business man. 165 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the thing that you what about 166 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: all the other kids, all the other kids that performed 167 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: and worked hard. And then so now if this one 168 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: kid gets to show up to prom and the rest, 169 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: and then the teacher looks like, you know, she's a 170 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: pushover exactly, and she loses credibility with the whole room 171 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: over one kid because it was like, well, wait a minute, 172 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: so I guess I didn't have to do well. I 173 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: guess the rules don't apply. Hey Darien, good morning, good morning. 174 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 8: How's it going? 175 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: Hey man? What do you think? 176 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 8: I think this teacher shouldn't feel bad at all. This 177 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 8: student made the decision themselves. They had plenty of time. 178 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 8: It doesn't even sound like the student is trying. 179 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: Yep. 180 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 8: Maybe there's a little bit of time and he could 181 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 8: beg or try to get all work done in a 182 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 8: few weeks or something. 183 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, well the other thing is she's she's holding 184 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: his hand as it is. Yeah, you know, And that's 185 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: something else that's not going to happen in real life, 186 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: is that she's already sort of like nursing him through this, 187 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: like I'll give you extra help. I mean, I'll do 188 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: whatever I can, like I'll go I mean, this is 189 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: more than should have to be you know what I mean, 190 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: as far as the kid has an obligation to do 191 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: the school work, and the teacher shouldn't have to go 192 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: step by step by step by step to get you 193 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: to do it, because that doesn't exist in the real world. 194 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: No one's gonna do that for you. And so he 195 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: already has an advantage and he's failing at that too, right, 196 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, hey Darren, thank you man, thanks for calling. 197 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: Have a good day. So already he's being coddled. 198 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she tried, even with the parents, like I've 199 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: been calling and emailing you all to set up an 200 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: action plan to just work with me here, like let's 201 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 2: do whatever we can. Let's be a team to support 202 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: this child. And they won't even make the effort. So 203 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: it's like and now, but now when we get close 204 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: to prom and you want to buy a dress, and 205 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: I mean, it sucks, and then you know the whole thing. 206 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: Now you have all the effort in the world. Now 207 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: you know my number, now you know my email address. 208 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: That is unacceptab And so the parents are doing him 209 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: a disservice on a number of levels. Hey Kathy, Hi, 210 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: good morning. 211 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 9: Yeah, Hi, how are you. 212 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: Hey, Kiky's Court, what say. 213 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 10: You yes, I'm just I know he maybe seventeen or eighteen. However, 214 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 10: you know, maybe he's you know, I don't want to 215 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 10: say a learning disability, but maybe he has you know, 216 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 10: my lady HD or some type of issue that's holding 217 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 10: him back or maybe not able to focus as much. 218 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 9: Maybe his parents never looked into that either. Yeah, that's 219 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 9: a tough one. 220 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 4: I don't know, you know, because it does. 221 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 9: Think that his parents never you know, came to any 222 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 9: meetings or tried to talk to the parents, you know, 223 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 9: I mean they did. What I'm saying is the parents 224 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 9: never reached back out to the teacher, like like you said, 225 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 9: until now. So well, that's pretty much my outlook on it. 226 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Kathy, maybe he does have a learning disability, but 227 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: he has the teacher's full attention, in fact, probably more 228 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: than most other students are getting, so right. 229 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 9: And all, that's true. 230 00:09:56,400 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: That so there Again, it's not as though she's saying, hey, hey, y'all, y'all, 231 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: you're on your own. Here's this. You better get an 232 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: A and I'm not going to help you. And if 233 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 1: you don't get an A or B or a C 234 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: or whatever, then you can't go to prom and I'm 235 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: not even going to assist you in this. No, she's 236 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: right there alongside him and he's still not getting it done. 237 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 4: Well, that's true. 238 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 9: Yeah, it was like maybe something's undiagnosed. 239 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: It could be, could be, you know, but I mean 240 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: he's got he has support. So Kathy, thank you. 241 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 8: Good day, Thank you you too. 242 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: Glad you called. Oh I'm saying I think she was 243 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: saying something nice. Whatever you said, it was nice. Thank you. Hey, Sevanie, 244 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: good morning. 245 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 4: Good morning. 246 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 7: Hi Fred, love you guys. 247 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: Hey, love you two. What do you think? 248 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 7: I think? 249 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 11: You know, prom is a once in a lifetime experience, 250 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 11: so it would be really sad for him to miss 251 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 11: out on it. But totally understand where the teacher is 252 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 11: coming from. In my opinion, the saddest thing about this 253 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 11: entire story is the lack of support at home. I 254 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 11: mean that's where. 255 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 8: It all starts. 256 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, agree. 257 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 11: My thought is, maybe throw the kid one last pail, Mary, 258 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 11: maybe some extra credit, and see what he does with it. 259 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 11: Hopefully he doesn't fumble the ball, but if he performs, 260 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 11: then maybe allow him to go. Just give him kind 261 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 11: of that one last opportunity. 262 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah maybe maybe so, Thank you Stephanie. Have a good day. 263 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: Thank you guys, you too, because nobody wants to see 264 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: a kid miss that on that. But again, you're doing 265 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: you're doing the kid a long term disservice, right if 266 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: you just keep making it, you know, Okay, we'll forget 267 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: about that, that expectation. How about this one. Oh, you're 268 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: not going to meet that. We'll forget about that because 269 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: no one's gonna do that for you, the real the rule, right, 270 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: no one's gonna do that for you. 271 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 12: And we mentioned too, like support coming from home, and like, 272 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 12: for a minute, maybe I'm thinking maybe there isn't support 273 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 12: at home, right, and that's where my mind kind of went, 274 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 12: and maybe like that's another place that you know, he 275 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 12: needs more supported and I totally agree. But then Kicky said, 276 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 12: the parents are coming up here for prom and doing 277 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 12: promposals and getting tuxes. So I'm like, well, then the 278 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 12: support's there, it's just in the wrong place exactly, you know. 279 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, they need to back the teacher up. And that's 280 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: what I feel bad for this teacher and for a 281 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: lot of teachers who, yes, who feel like we've had 282 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: him on the air before, we've helped with you know, 283 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: classroom wishless and stuff, and it's like they feel inadequate 284 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: because they can't provide the experience for their kids that 285 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: meets their standard. But it's not necessarily their fault. I 286 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: mean they it's not. If they don't have the budget 287 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: or they don't have the parental support or whatever. Then 288 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: they're doing the best they can and they don't need 289 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: to feel bad about their efforts because other people aren't 290 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: supporting them. But they do. Many do. We've heard them 291 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: on the show before. Hey Delilah, Hi, Hi, Hey, so 292 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: Kenny's Court. Just to recap here quickly, the teacher a 293 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: teacher has written in Tekiki saying, hey, look, I've got 294 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: a student who's not performing. I'm trying to help him perform. 295 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: He didn't meet the minimum expectations, so he can't go 296 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: to prom. His parents have been nowhere to be found. 297 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, it's well, wait a minute, 298 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: parents are here going I want my kid to go 299 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: to prom? What are we going to do about this? 300 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: And so, you know, does she let it slide or 301 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: does she stand out business? 302 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 13: I am situation because teachers like you were saying, like 303 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 13: they kind of have not a lot of control of 304 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 13: the education system that we have for kids, and I 305 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 13: think that the prom should not be tied to a 306 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 13: student's grades because students, I think are being failed by. 307 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 6: The education system we have. I'm a big proponent for 308 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 6: like Montessori style education where teachers you have to master 309 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 6: something before you can move on. So what's to say 310 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 6: that this student has not it has been failed long 311 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 6: time ago by the school system where he's not at 312 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 6: a point where he can catch up and get his 313 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 6: grades up because maybe he's lost interest and even like 314 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 6: the opportunity to excel in school because he was lost 315 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 6: along the way years ago. 316 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: So I think, but the parents to manage, like shouldn't 317 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: shouldn't As a parent, shouldn't you be watching the education 318 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: that your child's getting and if they're falling behind, or 319 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: or if they're if in fact they're being the school 320 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: district or the processes is negligent, then shouldn't the parent 321 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: be the one to step up and either supplement or 322 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: change the school or do something about it. I mean 323 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: that may be, but like you had the kid, it's 324 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: you set the standard. It's your job, right. 325 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 6: That's true, But it depends what levels they're at, Like 326 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 6: what if both parents work, you know, full time jobs, 327 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 6: or they don't have that kind of support at home, 328 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 6: or maybe they don't speak the language, or maybe they 329 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 6: just you know, maybe they're from a different country and 330 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 6: they don't even know how the school system works here, 331 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 6: or you know, they're kind of putting it up to 332 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 6: the student to carry on on his own. So I 333 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 6: know it's a very different opinion, but I think I 334 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 6: think the school system has to change to where students 335 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 6: can they have to master something before they could learn 336 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 6: something else, instead of everybody learning the same information. 337 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 9: Not everybody is going to excel the. 338 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: Well fair enough to thank you, have a good day, 339 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: thank you. 340 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 13: I'm one of the thirteens. 341 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate you. 342 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 10: Coach basketball coach, I know who you are. 343 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, you passed Paulina and I got some questions. 344 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: They have a good day, Thank you, Delia. I'm not 345 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: going to blame this on the school. It's not the 346 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:26,479 Speaker 1: school's responsibility. 347 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 14: You know what. 348 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: There are issues with the and I'm sure teachers would 349 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: say the same thing that there are issues, but I'm 350 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: not blaming this on the school. And I think I 351 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: think that this would be doing a kid at disservice 352 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: on a number of levels. 353 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I see it happen so much. I 354 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 2: hate to keep bringing up with student athletes. I feel 355 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: like I've seen this happen a lot of times. And 356 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 2: then they get in the real world and they go 357 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: to college, right, and then somebody's doing their homework in college. 358 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 2: But the moment they get injured, now it's they have 359 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: no meaning to the school. You know, they they're not 360 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 2: they can't play because they injured themselves, they tore their 361 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 2: acl or whatever, and now they're just out in the 362 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: world lost because it's somebody past them all these years 363 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: and they don't know anything. 364 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 15: Yeah, and parents like they're focused on their child. But 365 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 15: I have so much compassion for teachers because they're trying 366 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 15: to focus on all the children. So you know, these 367 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 15: pushy parents come in and it's like you're worried about 368 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 15: one kid. These teachers are trying to be empathetic and 369 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 15: you know, care about all these students and all these 370 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 15: different situations. There's got to be some compassion for the teachers. 371 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: And she would appear she's already gone above and beyond 372 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: to try and say this kid, Adam, so this happened 373 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: to you. 374 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 14: Yeah, good morning, are you doing Hey? 375 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: Good morning man, thanks for calling. Of course. 376 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 14: Yeah, I was this student and I was very appreciative 377 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 14: that the teachers and educators around me actually pushed me 378 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 14: to not go to prom and didn't let me go 379 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 14: because I was I was fooling around in school and 380 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 14: I wasn't doing my best, and me being a parent, now, 381 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 14: I definitely wouldn't I wouldn't do that for my child, 382 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 14: wouldn't want my child's teachers to do that. I mean, 383 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 14: the biggest thing that my principal said to me. You know, 384 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 14: I took it to like my pro the probo, the 385 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 14: dean and the principal, and tried to fight it, and 386 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 14: my principal looked at me and just said, listen, man, 387 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 14: the prom is a privilege. It's not a right, Like 388 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 14: that's something that's something that you've earned at the end 389 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 14: of the year from all the good work that you've done. 390 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 14: It's not a right to go to prom. That's something 391 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 14: that the school puts on to celebrate all of the great, 392 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 14: you know, accomplishments that the students and you all have 393 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 14: done and to commemorate the year and all of that. 394 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 14: And that's that's a privilege. And and yeah, so it's 395 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 14: not it's that's not what it's for. And then also 396 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 14: it kind of set you know, because I did have 397 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 14: people in my life who was like, no, you got 398 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 14: to go to prom, man, you got to go to prom. 399 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 8: We got to fight this. 400 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 14: But you know, I have people tell me like, you're 401 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 14: setting the wrong example, you're teaching him that it doesn't 402 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 14: your education is not the most important thing. 403 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: Yes, well it's interesting more important, Adam, And I bet 404 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: you would agree with this. But if you had put 405 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: as much effort into school as you did into fighting 406 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: their decision, then you or these parents, if they had 407 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: put enough, if that same energy into trying to get 408 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: his greats up as opposed to now complaining to the teacher, 409 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: then you may not have been in that situation. I 410 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: would imagine you look back and you see it that way. 411 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 14: Oh one hundred percent. And no disrespect to the young 412 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 14: lady who just got off the call. But I do 413 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 14: believe at the end of the day, there's the responsibility 414 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 14: of the parents and tandem with the teachers and the 415 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 14: student to make the priority of the education first. That's 416 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 14: the whole purpose of going to school, that's the whole 417 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 14: that's that's what we do. So you know, yeah, I think. 418 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 14: I know for a fact I was not trying my 419 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 14: hardest and I was not doing my best. And I 420 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 14: loved my parents. They were great parents, but like she said, 421 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 14: they were busy. They were doing a lot of other 422 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 14: things and the focus wasn't on that and it wasn't 423 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 14: on my education. So but it was it was totally 424 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 14: my fault, and I was happy that they decided to 425 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 14: for me not to go to PROM. So I ended up, 426 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 14: you know, hanging out with my friends after the fact. 427 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, well. 428 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 3: I'm still out there. 429 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: Hey man, I appreciate this perspective. And the truth is, Adam, 430 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if if you'd gotten to pass on 431 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: all this, I don't know if you'd be calling saying 432 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: this maybe now you're growing up and more mature. But 433 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: the fact that you can now see that, I think 434 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: probably that decision and others like it played into that 435 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: right where someone just didn't let it go and said, no, 436 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: this is the rule and you didn't meet the standard, 437 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: so you can't do it. That had to have helped 438 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: you as you grew. Oh absolutely. 439 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 14: And to Keiki's point, it's set, it's set the proper 440 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 14: perspective moving forward, in my life because, like she said, 441 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 14: when you get out here in the world, the world's 442 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 14: not gonna treat you like that. You have to, you know, 443 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 14: take responsibility for your actions. So so yeah, right, you 444 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 14: right on right on board. 445 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate you. Man. Have a great day, No, Frank, 446 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: you'll have good day. Look at that look that man. 447 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: Yeah he me real, Yeah he did value a lesson case. 448 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 3: Close seat your standout business. 449 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: That's right, I got you. The Entergym reported headlines, fun 450 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: facts all. Next Fred Show back into