1 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it is the Queen of a dream Sprint 2 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: Scene and you are listening to eyes O. Heare with 3 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: dream Scene in the iHeartRadio Network or wherever you kick 4 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: Talkyas as always, I am enjoyed by my co host Chad. 5 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: Hey Chad, how's going? 6 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: What's up? How you doing? 7 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm doing well? How about yourself? 8 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: I'm doing great. 9 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: It's a new day. 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: It's a new day. Coffee is kicked in. Yeah, ready 11 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: to rock? 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: Ready to rock? All right? Well, today we're gonna throw 13 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: it back a little bit because we kind of had 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: an anniversary a couple of days ago. I guess Anarchy 15 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: Rules nineteen ninety nine pay per view event for Extreme 16 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: Championship Wrestling. But we go over it. A lot of 17 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: fans said to start talking more about old school stuff 18 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: and giving us perspective on matches and shows, and they 19 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: really like it. So we're gonna try and we're gonna 20 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: see what sticks, so to speak. And since this event 21 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: just happened, how many years ago? 22 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: Was it? 23 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: Ninety nine? 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 2: So that's twenty five years ago? 25 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: Wow, twenty five years ago. Seems some of these things 26 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: seem like they just happened yesterday, even though I don't 27 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: remember half the stuff that happened. But do you think 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: that's because I'm older or because of the concussions. 29 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: A little bit of a little bit of e because 30 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: guess what I mean, I was sixteen in nineteen ninety 31 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: nine and I don't remember a lot of stuff that 32 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: happened either, So yeah, that's not exclusive to you, know, 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: your concussions. 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: Let me just ask you a question off topic really quickly. 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: Do you remember a lot of your childhood? 36 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: Dribs and drabs? 37 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: Okay, I was reading a lot. Yeah, I was reading 38 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: like how people can pinpoint certain things in their childhood, 39 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, my god, I don't remember like 40 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: little tiny things. I don't remember a lot at all. 41 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: So I thought it was just me. But it's good 42 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: that it's not. 43 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: No, I mean like there's certain like things trigger things, 44 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like if I see something, 45 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: I'll be like, oh I remember that or oh you know. 46 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: I think that's why you see a lot of the 47 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: like over the top love for the nostalgia that is 48 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: out there, and why when you walk into Target you 49 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: can see all the bands that you grew up with 50 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: on the shelves and all the you go to the 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: entertainment departments. All the toy and properties of the eighties 52 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 2: in that department too, because they're trying to tap into 53 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: your nostalgia. So that makes you remember a lot more 54 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 2: when you see that stuff. But if you were to 55 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: just say, like, hey, what happened on November eighth, nineteen 56 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: eighty nine, I'd be like, I went to second grade. 57 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, not me right, Like I like, 58 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: my grandmam lived with us until I was like seven 59 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: years old, and she you know, that's when she passed away, 60 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: So I was very young. And one of the only 61 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: memories I have is her holding her hands out like 62 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: in fists like this and telling me to pick a hand, 63 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: not all a taz RVD, pick a hand, and I 64 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: would pick a hand in there would be like a 65 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: piece of candy. But she would always put candy in 66 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: both hands, so if I picked the wrong you know, 67 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: there was never a wrong hand to pick. I always 68 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: got a piece of candy. And that's one of the 69 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: memories that stick out of my head about my grandma. 70 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: But I don't remember much about her at all. But 71 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: it's just funny how certain things stick out in your brain. 72 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: Right. 73 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: I was just wondering if it's just me or if 74 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: other people like go through the scene. 75 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: No, I'm right there with you, you know again, Like 76 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: I could think of, you know, watching wrestling. I can 77 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: remember certain things about that era, back in the day 78 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: of watching things live where I was, you know, what 79 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: I was doing. Same thing with watching baseball. I can 80 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: remember really big moments of watching a met game or 81 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: even football Super Bowl. Who was at a party and 82 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: this and that. But then you fast forward there's things 83 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: I have people say like, oh you remember this, I 84 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: go I literally have zero clue of what they're talking about. 85 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: How bad is it when you participate and you don't 86 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: remember because most of them I don't remember. But I know, 87 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: like with the guys, like they don't remember anything and 88 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: they've had twenty seven thousand concussions. Me I've only had 89 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: maybe one or two. So I'm not like ct E status, 90 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just like my memory's 91 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: just shot. And sometimes when we pull these things up, 92 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: it triggers me and I'll be like, oh, yeah, that happened, 93 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So I'm hoping that this kind of 94 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: reignites the flame in my brain because I don't remember 95 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: off the top of my head what happened this evening? 96 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: Right, We'll get you there. 97 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope so, because I hate going into these 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: things blind because I'm like, oh my god, what if 99 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't have anything to say? But hopefully I get triggered. 100 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 2: So that was always one of my biggest fears in 101 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: doing an interview show was falling into like the Chris 102 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 2: Farley style of interview, you know what I mean, where 103 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: you have somebody and you have this grand plan to 104 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: interview them and talk about X moment and you might 105 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 2: have and it's happened where it's like you have this 106 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: one moment and you're like, I have the best question 107 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: in the world about this moment, and I'm going to 108 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: ask it in the perfect way and I'm gonna say it, 109 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: and you ask it and they go, I'm sorry. I 110 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 2: don't remember being a part of that. I don't remember 111 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 2: that match. I don't remember that segment. I don't remember it. 112 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what to tell what to 113 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 2: tell you. You're like, okay, right, I'm just gonna go here. 114 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 2: Well that was it was really good. It was yeah, 115 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: it was really good. It was a really good segment. 116 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: You know, what I actually remember specifically with mister Wonderful, 117 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: you know, And turned out he ended up having some dementia, 118 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: you know, pretty bad later in his life, and when 119 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: I was around him it was worse than when I 120 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: interviewed him. But it was a great segment leading up 121 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: to WrestleMania One with him and Piper and Orton and 122 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 2: Mean Gene and they're in a gym and they're training 123 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: and stuff, and then when they go outside, they're pushing 124 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: Mean Gene around and this like innocent bystander goes to 125 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: stop them from beating up me and Gene, and they 126 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: just go and they kick the shit out of the guy. 127 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: It looked like it was real. It looked so good. 128 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: It looked real. And I brought it up. He had 129 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: no clue I'm talking about and it was like, I 130 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 2: just want to go away now. I never want to 131 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 2: talk about it ever again. 132 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: I sat next to new Jack during one of our 133 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: extreme round tables for ECW Gimmicks that we did, and 134 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: every question was like, I don't remember, I don't know 135 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: was I there. He didn't remember anything. The only thing 136 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: he remembered was like doing coke and blow and drunk 137 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: and partying and he hardly remembered anything about you know, 138 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: the matches and stuff, and he was cackling and laughing 139 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: like a hyena. But again he was double fisted and 140 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: drunk and that's what he kept going. And he was sweating. 141 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: He was I thought he was going to die right 142 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: next to me. I'm going, are you okay, jack A? 143 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: You are right scared the crap out of me? But 144 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: uh yeah, refresh my memory about this show. 145 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: Well us start with a photo. Okay, this is what 146 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: you looked like at Anarchy Rules nineteen ninety nine. 147 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: Look at my stomach. Can we just talk about my 148 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: stomach when that was in prime prestige? What do you 149 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: call it? Shape? I don't know. Uh now I'm seabowed 150 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: up and bloated and a mess. 151 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: The other parts that are sticking out that well, let 152 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: me just say pop off the page a little, just say. 153 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: Under boobage is very underrated. Under what would you call that? 154 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: Under boob? Yeah, yes, very underrated. I think under boob 155 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: is very sexy, I really do. And I loved that 156 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: outfit and I think everybody loved that outfit, you know, 157 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: that night, and it was a good one. 158 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, under overside all day long. I go with the under. 159 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: I go with the. 160 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: Somebody does the cleavage, you know, not many people were 161 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: pushing the under back then, so I was like, I'm 162 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: bringing this out. 163 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: So is that the tape holding it just in case 164 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 2: or what? 165 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think I even taped. 166 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: Oh geez. 167 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: I think they were just falling that. 168 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 2: Sat stretch a little too high. 169 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: That's true. You know, back in the day, I didn't 170 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: have to wear bras and stuff because they were just perfect. 171 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: And uh that has changed. 172 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: Oh you, So there we go. So that's what. Yeah, 173 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say anything. So anarchy rules The odium 174 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: in Villa Park, Illinois, September nineteenth, nineteen ninety nine, in 175 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: front of six thousand screamings. 176 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so the odium. I'm pretty sure that was 177 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: the building that was haunted. 178 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I want to say it. 179 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 1: Anybody listening, can you verify my story? I think that 180 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: was the one with the broad that was supposed to 181 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: be the madam at the strip club. I could be wrong. 182 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 2: I heard you say this, but I remember. 183 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: I can't remember what building we were in. Was it 184 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: the odium? Can somebody talk to me about that? Justify 185 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: my my lack of knowledge and all that is professional 186 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: fleet when it comes to me because I can't remember anything. Yeah, Sandman, 187 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: I have to ask Hack because he used to say 188 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: he talked to her. He used to say he would 189 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: talk to her in passing. 190 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure he did. 191 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: I have to ask him. Yeah, next time I speak 192 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: to him, I'm going to ask him. Remind me. 193 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I will the two man team in the booth, 194 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: he had Joey Styles and Cyrus. 195 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I'd like that pairing. 196 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: I love that pairing. 197 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, you want to read the card down 198 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: before we get into. 199 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 2: Anything, Yeah, I will. But it was also a card 200 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: that had a couple of ages, and we'll go through 201 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: that on the show specifically. You know, the main event 202 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: had a couple of weird ones too. You know, I'll 203 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: get to that one, but here we go. The card 204 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: was Danny Doring and Roadkill versus Billy Wiles and c. 205 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: W Anderson. That was a dark match. Okay, okay, Lance 206 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: Storm versus Jerry Lynn Jazz uh Jazz versus Tom Marquez 207 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 2: very good. Chris Chetty and Nova versus Simon Diamond and DeVito. 208 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: Okay, that's a weird PAIRINGA what did I say? 209 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 2: It was. 210 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, Simon Diamond. You know, I was thinking 211 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: of Nova. 212 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: Never mind, Okay, I'm Chenny and Nova. Yeah, Cheddy and 213 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 2: Nova vers Simon Diamond and Tony DeVito. 214 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: Okay, Jerry hold On, Simon Diamond and Tony DeVito. 215 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: Yeah that is because that's a weird pair. 216 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: That is a weird now that I think of it. Yeah, Okay, 217 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: keep going. 218 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, I'd have to watch the whole show. 219 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: I haven't seen it in ages. Uh ta Jerry versus 220 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: Super Crazy and Little Guido with sal E Graciano. 221 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: That's a good one, okay, okay. 222 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: Uh just incredible with Jason versus Sabu with Bill Alfonso. Okay, hey, 223 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 2: here's a big one. This is a big moment in 224 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: the CUB history. Mike Awesome versus Missado Tanaka versus Taz 225 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: in a three way dance for the ECW Championship where 226 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 2: it was an elimination for each person. This is the 227 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 2: final official ECW match. 228 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: Of Taz until he comes back. 229 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 2: Until he comes back in April. 230 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: The final official but not really okay, but. 231 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: As a member of full time member of your roster. Yeah, 232 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: this was Taz's last match, so we'll talk about that 233 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 2: in a second, Okay, then Tommy Dreamer and Raven with 234 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: of course the Queen of Extreme Franccene versus Rhino and 235 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: Steve Corino. We will come back to that one as well. 236 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: And the main event was Rob Van Dam versus Balls 237 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: Mahoney for the Mean Championship. Yes, but now hang on, 238 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: now this one I don't I didn't know this. It 239 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 2: says that RVD defends the World TV Championship against Balls 240 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 2: Mahony in the main event, but he was originally supposed 241 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 2: to defend the title against Johnny Smith, but Smith was 242 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: attacked and replaced by Mahoney before the match. I don't 243 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: remember Johnny Smith being in the. 244 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: E c W. Johnny Smith was UK, right, yes, yeah, 245 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: a legend. Yeah, I I remember briefly, but I don't 246 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: know why we didn't use him that evening. That's not 247 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: ringing a bell? Why why why was Balls put in? There? 248 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: Was? 249 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean, is there a backstory to that? It was 250 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: Johnny injured? 251 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. You don't don't remember it at all. 252 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: I just remember he was from the UK. I can't 253 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: even believe I remembered that part. 254 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they got they got twenty minutes balls in RVD. 255 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: Guess what, balls could work. Despite what everybody said about balls, 256 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: he could work, you know it. There were the same 257 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: with new Jack. There were different sides. Like there was 258 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: one time the guys like Tracy smothers would hold camp 259 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: and the guys would get in there before the show 260 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: started and you know, chain wrestle and mess around. And 261 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: I remember watching new Jack like run the ropes and 262 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: then do all this kind of stuff, and I was 263 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: just like what because I didn't watch him in Smoky 264 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: Mountain like I didn't. I wasn't uh, you know, I 265 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: hate to say a fan, I wasn't aware of what 266 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: he could do. Like anything I saw him do was 267 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: in ECW and it was just like bring the tr ash, 268 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: can use the weapons, blah blah blah. He never really 269 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: wrestled like the other guys did. And when I saw him, 270 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: I think I even told him. I was like, dude, 271 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: you can go, and he's like, no, shit, I could go. 272 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, well you don't show it, and 273 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: he's like, well, yeah, well that's you know. I do 274 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: do what I'm told basically. So like when people say, oh, 275 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: garbage wrestling and blah, blah blah. Uh uh. These guys 276 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: could go and Balls was another one. It wasn't just 277 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: like chair shot you know whoa Balls with those stupid 278 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: punches he used to do because I hated those punches. 279 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: They never looked real to me, but it was it 280 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: was just a gimmick, you know. But they can work. 281 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: So it was nice to see Balls get a pay 282 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: per view main event spot for once, because that didn't 283 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: happen very often. 284 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like they battled all over, just scamming 285 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: the match. Let me see here, so it says Johnny 286 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 2: Smith actually so he popped up in ec W in 287 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety. 288 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: Six, okay, and then later yeah. 289 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: He had a match with Louis Paccoli in ninety six. 290 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: Him real quick. 291 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, give me a second here, I don't grab that, okay, 292 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: Johnny Smith. I mean regarded as you know, one of 293 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: the greatest UK pioneer, you know, skilled guys, whatever you 294 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 2: want to call it. I'm not really into the UK style, 295 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: so not my cup of tea. But you know, from 296 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: what everybody says. 297 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: He's uh, he's he's. 298 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: A great, great worker. Okay, Johnny Smith ringing a bell here? 299 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 2: He is right here. Look here against Louis Piccola while 300 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: he's back and turned. Yep. 301 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, well he had nothing to do with the dungeon, 302 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: did he. 303 00:16:53,760 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't. I don't think so, Okay, I've forgotten Brittis. 304 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: Bulldog face is very familiar to me, so I know 305 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: I know him. I met him. I was there both 306 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: times he was there, so of course, but I don't 307 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: know why he got pulled that. That's baffling to me. 308 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: Actually, no, he wasn't stampede, so he might have been 309 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: out of the dungeon. 310 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: So for some reason, the dungeon is popping up in 311 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: my head and the connection with. 312 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 2: I couldn't stampede. 313 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm right. I don't know something you are. 314 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: Look at you, Look at you dropping some knowledge today? 315 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: Oh miss, I don't remember anything. 316 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: I don't remember, but the things when they or mentioned that, 317 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: they it trickles down in my brain. I'm just like, 318 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: wait a minute, some lighte bulbs go off. 319 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you a little bit more about 320 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 2: anarchy rules here. 321 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: Okay. 322 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: So also on this show, uh so we have the 323 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: the Goodbye for Taz. Right, it's a three way dance. 324 00:17:54,800 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: H everybody's eliminated Taz he's the champion. First one gone 325 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 2: from the match gets a standing no from the crowd. 326 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: It's clear he's gone. I believe the boys come out 327 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: even and give him a little clap. He's gone. What 328 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 2: do you remember about Taz departing in September ninety nine? 329 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. You're you're really put me on 330 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: the spot here. 331 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 2: I okay, what do you remember about Taz? Just the 332 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: news of Taz leaving. 333 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: The news of Taz leaving again. To me, it was 334 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: just like, you know, he got a better deal. Taz 335 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: was a married guy who had kids, right, and he 336 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: was doing it defeed his family. At ninety nine, we 337 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: weren't sure like what was gonna happen with TV, what 338 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: was going on there? 339 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 2: There was really. 340 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: No I don't want to use the word stability, but 341 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: we weren't like one hundred sure of the direction of 342 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: the company. We were, you know, trying to just and 343 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if at this point is when I 344 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: started learning about Vince like giving the money for the 345 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: pay per views, or or we knew about it and 346 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: we were just like, oh my god, like what is 347 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: going on? Because if you don't know, I guess Vince 348 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: was giving Paul like a quarter of a million dollars 349 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: to float the pay per views every what did we 350 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: run every two months with a pay per view or something? 351 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 2: Pretty much okay? 352 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: And so that was concerning because it's like, okay, we're 353 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 1: getting loans quarter of a million dollars, what is the 354 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: return and are we able to pay off Vince and 355 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: then have excess money for you know, talent or to 356 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 1: at least keep the company going for another And it 357 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: was just like all these things were going through our 358 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: heads at this point, you know. So when somebody says 359 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna leave, it wasn't really a shock. It's a 360 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: blow to the company. But in the same breath, a 361 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: mid carter gets or a you know, a curtain jerger 362 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: gets to move up to mid carter, or a mid 363 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: carter gets to move up to main event, like they 364 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: get to advance. Because the top guy's gonna leave, you 365 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: have to fill that spot with somebody, right, you know, 366 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: who's ready, who's ready to step in Taz's position. So 367 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: you could look at it as a good thing, but 368 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 1: for the company, that's a major blow. Taz was a huge, 369 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: huge superstar for us. So I didn't want to see 370 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 1: anybody leave, but I understood why. 371 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: That's that's a great point. So this is what they 372 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: do to take him out. Ready, they give him Superman 373 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: send off. He gets hit with the elbow and then 374 00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: he gets hit with the splash. They both cover him 375 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: and that's how he's gone. And then he gets the goodbye. 376 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: I love push the leg over like Awsome's back. That 377 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: was awesome. 378 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: But then the the boys come out give him a 379 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: standing no on the on the on the stage. Yeah, 380 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 2: and Taz is on his way to the Royal Rumble 381 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: in uh January of that next year. It's a huge pop. 382 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 2: I mean it went nuts when he came out. I 383 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: remember that very clearly. 384 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, I like Taz. I have nothing against Taz, 385 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: you know, but he had to feed his family. I 386 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: get it. 387 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: He need to get a little hook some hair jail 388 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: for that do he's got. 389 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: Hook is such a good looking kid though, he really is, 390 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, even with the crazy hair. 391 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: So then it brings us to your match. 392 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: Day. 393 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: You and you are unlikely tag team. You're tag team champions. Yes, 394 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: they like each other, they don't like each other. You're 395 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 2: the fun you know who Who's who are you with 396 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: with what's going on here? You know, we're not sure 397 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 2: in the storyline. 398 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: I was with both of them, but yeah, it was. 399 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: It was. 400 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: It was the kind of pairing they you know, they 401 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: didn't want to be together, but they had they were 402 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: forced to be together because they have the us, right, Yeah, 403 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: interesting fun. I think the fans liked it. Time wise, 404 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 1: I don't know how close we were to the whole 405 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: powder in the eyes gimmick. Uh. I think that was 406 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: later on, later on down yeah, later on down the line. 407 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: So now we're just trying to work together as a unit. 408 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: And again I didn't like this angle. I didn't like 409 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: being involved in this angle very much because I just 410 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: thought it was an extension of the Bula thing with 411 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: me in in the you know, the girls spot. I 412 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: wasn't one hundred percent thrilled with it. Wish we could 413 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: have won a different route. But you know, it seemed 414 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: to have worked, and we had newer fans at that time, 415 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: and a lot of the fans didn't even know the 416 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: first angle had happened, right, you know, so again it 417 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: did work, but I just, man, I just wish we 418 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 1: could have did something like different. Don't know what, never 419 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 1: really thought about it. But at the time, you know, 420 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: I didn't like to argue too too much because I 421 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: didn't want to get in trouble because in the beginning 422 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: I could be a little mouthee and you had you 423 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: had people as you and you all know, say this, 424 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: say this, and then I'm like, yeah, blah blah and 425 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: sh now you're old, shut. 426 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 2: Your eyd so yeah, so okay. So then there's that 427 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 2: little bit of you know, rock in a hard place. 428 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 2: You want to say something right, right right, You don't 429 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: want to say too much because you don't want to 430 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: get heat. 431 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you believe me, Paul was approachable. But if 432 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: if you go to him and you say, hey, I'm 433 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: not comfortable with this, blah blah bla blah blah, all 434 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,959 Speaker 1: Paul needed was five minutes to turn your brain around, 435 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: and you'd be like, I love this angle. He could 436 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: talk you into anything. This man was I don't know 437 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: what kind of gifted gap he has, but good lord. 438 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: And I guess that's why everybody used this as that 439 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: expression you drink the kool aid, which I hate that 440 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: expression because everybody says, Paul will tell you the sky 441 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: is green and the grass is blue, and you will 442 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: be like, yes, it is. You know that he had 443 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: that kind of power. He was just a really good 444 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: is it manipulator? 445 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 2: Is that the word? 446 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: I don't say manipulate anyone, but he can definitely turn 447 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: your opinion around. And I could go to him and say, 448 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: I don't like this blah blah blah, but I need 449 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: it points and I needed a different angle to approach 450 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: him with it, and back then I just didn't. I 451 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: didn't put the energy into it because it was working. 452 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: That was the main thing. The angle was working and 453 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: people were into it. The difference. The difference was we 454 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: didn't do the whole pregnancy thing. You know, I wasn't 455 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: pregnant per se. But it was just like, uh, you know, 456 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: instead of turning from a heel to a babyface, I'm 457 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: turning from a babyface to a heel and then I 458 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: get to cut these hillacious promos on Tommy Dreamer, whereas 459 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: Bullet didn't get the talk really, so it was a 460 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: different dynamic. And again the people might have missed the 461 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: first go around, they were into the second go around. 462 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: So it worked. So if it ain't broke, yeah you 463 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: don't fix it. 464 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 2: That's a great point. So now the match itself not long. 465 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 2: Three minutes and thirty seven seconds. It that's it. I'm 466 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: gonna pull it up here in a second. But the 467 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 2: question is, it's not the original match that was on paper. Okay, 468 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: on paper, Steve Corino was originally going to bring in 469 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 2: the Insane Clown Posse as a surprise to face Dreamer 470 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: and Raven, except Insane Clown Posse's management pulled them from 471 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 2: the show, resulting in the change in the card bringing 472 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: it to Rhino and Corrino versus Dreamer and Raven. And 473 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: so maybe that's where resulted in the short match. 474 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: Why were they pulled that? 475 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 2: I haven't seen a reason why, but I mean, look, 476 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: they were in all the promotions. They were in WCW 477 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: in ninety nine. They yeah, they were with you. They 478 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: WEREWF in and out. I mean, so, I guess if 479 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 2: they didn't feel like something was working, they could just 480 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: pull them whenever they wanted. I don't know, they were 481 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: always in and out. 482 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a strange one right there. I don't know, 483 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: I don't remember a backstory to that. I'm sorry. I 484 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: wish we had more information to share, but for for 485 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: it being such a short match, I don't know why 486 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: they didn't give them more time. That's like three minutes 487 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 1: for a pay per view match. That's is that including intros? 488 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: Well, it was. It was kind of a plunder, you know, 489 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 2: like there was a little bit of talking before and 490 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: then you know they kind of go at it. But again, 491 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 2: makes kind of sense if it was ICP that was 492 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: supposed to be in there, maybe that's why it was 493 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 2: going to be a little shorter because you know, no 494 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 2: fens those guys and know they worked their ass off 495 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: when they get in there. But you're not gonna want 496 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 2: to sit through with twenty minute ICP, Dreamer and Raven match. 497 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 2: You'd rather see a shorter plunder, throw the crap around, 498 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 2: throw them around kind of match. But you know, I'll 499 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 2: pull it up. What happens, I'll pull it up from 500 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 2: about where you're, uh, okay, your action is due to begin. 501 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: If that's the case, it had to have been a 502 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: last minute decision then, because they I don't believe Paul 503 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: would ever give a semi main event three minutes and 504 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: thirty six seconds, you know what I mean, Like, that's 505 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: just a weird that's just weird. Oh oh oh oh, 506 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: all right, come on yet, I remember, is Jack Victory 507 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: in a wheelchair? 508 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 2: I believe he is. 509 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: All right, let's go. 510 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: To is Oh counter? Yeah, what a counter? Oh what? 511 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: Oh? No? 512 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: Wam oh wow, oh my butt? O goods the Oh 513 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: my god, what a kick? 514 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: Thank you? 515 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: Oh he got tied up in the ropes. 516 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: Embarrassing. 517 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: So Raven was late coming out. There's a Jack I 518 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: guess got out of his wheelchair. He was in it. 519 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, corridor. I gotta get the hell out of there. 520 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: They're gonna step on me. 521 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: So you're dead. 522 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: I know. It's so hard to sell when there's action 523 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: going on. You never know where to go in the ring. 524 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: Like I try to position myself. 525 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: I think, did you pick your head up to see 526 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: and then you put your head back down? No? 527 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: I like how they tease them fighting and then they 528 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: just sink double des yes. All right, Well now the 529 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: Scotty telling you. 530 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: Let's see, he's still wearing his belt too. 531 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: Maybe not. Somebody gonna help me? I don't remember. 532 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: They're giving a finger to somebody on the ramp. 533 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: Okay, wait, who's helping me? 534 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: Dreamers over checking on? What are they looking at the ramp? 535 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: Who's this? So? 536 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 1: I just threw a drinkle Man Cow. He's a DJ 537 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: right radio. 538 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: Guy in Chicago. 539 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what's the point of this. 540 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: Why did he come out at the end of this match? 541 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't remember this at all. 542 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: Man, Who are the two fat guys that they're helping me? 543 00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 2: Man boobies? 544 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. 545 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: Oh, Turd is one of them? Okay, I remember Turd. 546 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: No one's helping me. I love these people. 547 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 2: Look at that they are Oh do you give them 548 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: the finger? 549 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm trying to thank you, Tommy. Finally, somebody check 550 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: on the book. Oh man care? Oh okay, Mare is 551 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: very prominent on that. Man, Tommy's helping me. 552 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 2: Thank you. You know. 553 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: I hate when the guys just leave you strand it. 554 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: It's like they want you to sell, but then nobody 555 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: helps you to the back, and it's like, what am 556 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: I supposed to do? Crawl the dead the army, crawl 557 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: take forty two minutes to get back to the to 558 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: the curtain by myself. I need help, damn it. 559 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 2: It makes sense though, that that could have been the 560 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: spot because with man Cow being out there at the end, 561 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: and you know, why would he have been out there 562 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 2: in any other match? You know, it makes sense that 563 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 2: it was shorter. It was ICP you continue your Little 564 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 2: Dreamer and Raven you know, uh, interfeweding. 565 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: Did we do anything in the beginning of the show 566 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: with Mankal? Was there like a promo or something, because 567 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: that sense to me. 568 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: Did you do any local radio? That's what I could possibly, 569 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: I mean. 570 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: We have I don't remember. I never did the man 571 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: CaAl show. I don't think. 572 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: Let's see if man Cal's on here at the beginning, 573 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 2: there's Joey and Cyrus. Nope, there's the video. Yeah, who knows, 574 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: unless he came out. He could have been just promoting 575 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 2: the crap out of it on a show. 576 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: He could have worked, he could have did something. We 577 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: had a pre show as well, like a thirty minute 578 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: pre show before this. Maybe there was something on there. Yeah, 579 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: well it was fun. Nonetheless, good little match. I like 580 00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: the teas with Tommy and Scottie, always like how they 581 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: would shove each other but then work together because they 582 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: had to, you know, And again it was a good angle. 583 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: It worked. I just wish my role was a little different, 584 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: but you know, you can't go back and your delurean 585 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: and change things, unfortunately, so that legacy will live on. 586 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 2: I could have been fighting with ICP though, and then 587 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: been on one of the records. Oh man, you know, 588 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: and it had been another video. 589 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: Would I have had to go on the Kisting couch 590 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: for that because I would not have done it. 591 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 2: Maybe you would have been a Juggalo. 592 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 1: Oh. I was asked to do the what is that 593 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: called the Juggalo Weekend? 594 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: Oh uh, Juggalo Mania or whatever whatever. 595 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: It's called, like years ago. Uh, somebody inquired to me 596 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: about it and then I was like, oh, because I 597 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: didn't know anything about it, and they were like, yeah, 598 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: you'll probably go on at three am, and I was like, uh, 599 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm in bed by ten, no, thank you. 600 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: That never happened for a while there, they were stacking 601 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 2: those shows like yeah, big time with the Legends, and 602 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,360 Speaker 2: I mean pulling matches out that you could only like 603 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 2: having a fever dream. But they were happening at one 604 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 2: o'clock at two o'clock in the morning, right, and they're 605 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere. You got to get driven 606 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 2: out into this area with those cell receptions yeah yeah, yeah, 607 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: great winds. 608 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: Or something, and there's like everybody's naked. I was told 609 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: it was like Woodstock. There were drugs everywhere, naked people everywhere, 610 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: and a ring just like dropped in the middle of 611 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: a deserted forest, and then everybody would just you know, 612 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: your calling time was like twelve midnight, but you're on 613 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: at three, So everybody would like sit around in the 614 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: back and get high and drink and then go out 615 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: and do their matches and party with the fans. That's 616 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 1: not my deal, yo. 617 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: You could have given you a little nappy, you know, 618 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:04,399 Speaker 2: a little pillow, little kerchief. Now sleepy, I'd rather sleep 619 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 2: in wat snuggie. 620 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: Perhaps, Yeah, I'm all right, I'll by ay. 621 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: That was Anarchy Rules nineteen ninety. 622 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: Nine, or goodness sake, all right, Well did you like it? 623 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: Did you hate it? What were your reviews on Anarchy Rules? 624 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: Did you even watch it? Were you in a fan 625 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine? Drop a comment below and let 626 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: us know how about that? All right? 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