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Speaker 1: of the stuff they don't want you to know in

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Speaker 1: this video podcast from how stuff works dot com. Hello everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette,

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Speaker 1: and I'm an editor here at how stuff Works dot com,

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Speaker 1: and sitting across from me as usual, is senior writer

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. Hey there, Well all right then, So why

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Speaker 1: why why are you waving at me? Oh? That can

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Speaker 1: all be explained with a little listener mail. List listener

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Speaker 1: mail comes from Lee. Note read in monotone. Oh wait,

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Speaker 1: that's that's a stage direction. Hang on, he doesn't take

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Speaker 1: direction while I can tell you this from my experience. Hi,

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Speaker 1: Google released Google Wave. What is it? Please answer? Love always,

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Speaker 1: Lee from Bowling Brook, Illinois. PS. I listened to every podcast.

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Speaker 1: You are the highlight of my week. Oh I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't quite monotone. Thanks Lee. Uh, I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: we're the highlight. Also kind of sad about that. But

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Google Wave then. Now, this is something

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Speaker 1: that we can actually talk about from experience, because Chris

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Speaker 1: and I have been playing with Google Wave for almost

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Speaker 1: an entire day. You've been playing with it longer than

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Speaker 1: I have. This is true. I got my invite um

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Speaker 1: I've got I've got like three days on Chris as

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Speaker 1: let's take in the way back machine, wave back machine,

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Speaker 1: the wave back Hey, yeah, let's go into the wave

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Speaker 1: back machine. Let's go someplace tropical, Liz take us away.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is nice. It's much better than you know,

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Speaker 1: is amazing. So before we get lost in this tweeting

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Speaker 1: let's let's talk about you know, you know what beach

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Speaker 1: blips are the little bits of information that you can

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Speaker 1: send in a wave. But um, but yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: don't I just don't know. It's something that I feel

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Speaker 1: use it casually. So it you're I think you're I

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Speaker 1: think you're right. It'll be interesting to see what kinds

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Speaker 1: some of the other applications you can build into it

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Speaker 1: to to get other functionality into it. But that's probably

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Speaker 1: a good thing right now, since it's in preview, we

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Speaker 1: really don't need to be using it for everything anyway.

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Speaker 1: It's also nice, if nothing else, it could set the

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Speaker 1: groundwork for future applications from not just Google, but from everyone.

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Speaker 1: We're already good. We could we could totally see a

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Speaker 1: week you know, not to not to go like overblown

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Speaker 1: and totally exaggerated out of hand or whatever, but I

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Speaker 1: could be convinced that this is a glimpse into what

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Speaker 1: the next generation of the web will be like. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think I think that's it, But I think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a subtle thing. It's just gonna be

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Speaker 1: something that creeps in and yeah, and this is something

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Speaker 1: where it's I'm not saying that Google Wave is exactly

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Speaker 1: what the Web's gonna look like in in you know,

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Speaker 1: five or ten years or whatever. I'm just saying that

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Speaker 1: the things that I'm starting to see in Google Wave,

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Speaker 1: I would not be surprised if that if those features

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Speaker 1: became more common in the web experience in the future.

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Speaker 1: And I think that the reason why Google Wave is

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Speaker 1: getting so much attention is because these features by themselves

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Speaker 1: are already in other applications. It's just that they're in

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Speaker 1: one place and that's attractive and people go, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: when you put all this stuff together, you know, you

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Speaker 1: can do all these things with it. And so look

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Speaker 1: how much we got to talk about this and we've

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Speaker 1: only been using it together for one day. Yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: I've I've had waves with Chris Um, Tom Merritt and

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Speaker 1: Jason Hawill have seen it, a couple of people I

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Speaker 1: know in your life and some listeners, and that is it?

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Speaker 1: So again, our experience is quite limited, because I mean

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Speaker 1: that's the preview is very limited. But uh out seriously,

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Speaker 1: that this is the last time we'll be mentioning way,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, well, but I hope that that more than

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Speaker 1: satisfies all the people who have written in and asked

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Speaker 1: about waves, because there's nothing else I can talk about

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Speaker 1: about it. I'm done. Yeah, I mean, if you're wondering

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Speaker 1: what it looks like, it's not even really all that

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Speaker 1: different from an email. No, it's not. You've got your contact,

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Speaker 1: you got your inbox, and you can see what's in

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Speaker 1: the message. Something he doesn't strike up when you open

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Speaker 1: the application or anything. It's the functionality more than the look.

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Speaker 1: For me, it's even just the potential. It's not even

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Speaker 1: the functionality. It's the potential of the tool. Now, whether

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Speaker 1: it goes anywhere, we'll have to wait and see, oh

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Speaker 1: will I'm just I'm trying not to build up my

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Speaker 1: own expectations, much less our listeners. All right, All right, well, um,

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Speaker 1: uh that exhausts me if not the subject this is true,

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Speaker 1: I'm still getting over swine flu um. The let's move

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Speaker 1: onto a little listener mail, and this listener mail comes

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Speaker 1: from Mike. Mike says, I really enjoyed your podcast concerning

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Speaker 1: privacy and Facebook. I also share your hatred of quizzes

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Speaker 1: and apps. When I heard about the light dot Facebook

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Speaker 1: dot com, I fell in love. Perhaps I mentioned on

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Speaker 1: the podcast will be helpful for others, Thanks Mike. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've got light dot facebook dot com, which is sort

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Speaker 1: of a stripped down version of Facebook bloodc status updates,

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Speaker 1: but takes away a lot of the other features that

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Speaker 1: that can clutter up your Facebook feed. There are potential

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Speaker 1: downfalls to light dot facebook dot com, as our own

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Speaker 1: beloved Chris Palette discovered when he blogged about it. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about that for a second, Chris, No,

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Speaker 1: I don't, but I will anyway. No, No, No, it's um.

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Speaker 1: It's it's funny because there was there's there was a

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Speaker 1: group of people and one geographic area in the world, UM,

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Speaker 1: which apparently was a very specific part of India oddly enough,

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Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit of Pakistan possibly. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: we can't really tell yet. It's kind of hard to tell.

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Speaker 1: And um for a while, for whatever reason, they they

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Speaker 1: wrote in UM. I got probably a few dozen comments

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Speaker 1: on the blog post. I wrote about you know Facebook light. Um,

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Speaker 1: and uh, it was just really strange because everybody they

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Speaker 1: were stuck. They couldn't get out of it. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: go back to regular Facebook. And I thought, well, it's strange.

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Speaker 1: Just go back to regular Facebook, you know, type the

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Speaker 1: R A L L again. No it didn't work. Clear

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Speaker 1: out your cookies, No, that didn't work. And everything I suggested.

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Speaker 1: I was so frustrated because I wanted to help so

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Speaker 1: badly and nothing I was doing, Uh what what you know,

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Speaker 1: none of the suggestions I was making this helpful. This

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Speaker 1: wasn't a client side issue. Now that yeah, there was.

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Speaker 1: There was something about that particular geographic area where they

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Speaker 1: could not get too regular Facebook, and they all wanted

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Speaker 1: the apps and all the other you know whistles, and

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Speaker 1: they just wanted to check out what light the Facebook

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Speaker 1: light looked like. And then they got stuck with Facebook

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Speaker 1: Light and they couldn't get out. Actually I think they

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Speaker 1: got I don't know this for a fact, but from

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Speaker 1: what they were saying, I think they got switched over

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Speaker 1: and couldn't get out like they actually they didn't even

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Speaker 1: necessarily try it. They just got switched to it. That's

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Speaker 1: the way it appeared. And somebody posted on the Facebook

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Speaker 1: forums that I might be able to help, and so

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Speaker 1: I got a whole bunch of people saying, change my

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Speaker 1: Facebook back, and I had to explain to them that

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Speaker 1: I don't work for Facebook and how stuff Works dot

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Speaker 1: m is not part of Facebook and vice versa, and

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Speaker 1: that didn't really appease people. I had a lot of

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Speaker 1: people still asking me to change their Facebook back, and

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Speaker 1: then suddenly the comments went away, So I assume that

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Speaker 1: it's fixed. But yeah, that's uh. If you are I

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Speaker 1: know all about Facebook Light, if you're at it, you

539
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: can try Facebook Light and it is nice actually, if

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Speaker 1: you're if you're just looking to see what everybody is saying,

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Speaker 1: your your your contacts, it's very nice because it's very

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Speaker 1: streamlined and very simple and you don't have to look

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Speaker 1: at all the applications and the quizzes and all that

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Speaker 1: other stuff. But if you want all that stuff, then

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna be happy with it. So, yeah, something

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Speaker 1: is broken. We can't fix it. Yes, that that that's

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Speaker 1: the model of this podcast. Feel feel free to write

548
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Speaker 1: us at tech stuff at how stuff works dot com,

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Speaker 1: but again not with tech support questions because we probably

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Speaker 1: won't be able to help you. Now, if you want

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Speaker 1: to learn more about Google Wave, you're gonna have to

552
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Speaker 1: wait because we don't have an article on that yet.

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00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: But we have lots of other articles about Google at

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Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com, so you should go read

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Speaker 1: those while you're waiting for us to get enough info

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Speaker 1: to write a full article on how Google Wave works. Yes,

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