WEBVTT - Reverend Jesse & Jacqueline Jackson 0:00:14.836 --> 0:00:29.516 Pushkin. Hi, I'm Phil Donahue and I'm Marlowe Thomas, and 0:00:29.636 --> 0:00:32.596 we're going on a series of double dates to find 0:00:32.596 --> 0:00:39.636 out what makes a marriage last It was a bitter 0:00:39.756 --> 0:00:43.436 cold November morning when we got to the airport. We 0:00:43.436 --> 0:00:46.676 were heading out to Chicago, my old stomping grounds, to 0:00:46.796 --> 0:00:51.116 visit Reverend Jesse Jackson and Jacqueline Jackson. Not only are 0:00:51.156 --> 0:00:54.636 these two civil rights icons, his work with doctor Martin 0:00:54.716 --> 0:00:58.716 Luther King, her lifelong activism, but they've been married throughout 0:00:58.716 --> 0:01:02.156 it all, nearly sixty years. I was really looking forward 0:01:02.196 --> 0:01:05.396 to it. Only problem, our flight from New York was 0:01:05.436 --> 0:01:08.956 severely delayed and we were five hours late for our date. 0:01:09.396 --> 0:01:12.316 It was awful. I really hate being late for anything. 0:01:12.756 --> 0:01:14.716 But even though it was already evening by the time 0:01:14.756 --> 0:01:18.276 we landed, they said, come on over anyway. I've known 0:01:18.316 --> 0:01:21.196 them for decades and that's the kind of generous people 0:01:21.276 --> 0:01:25.476 they are. Oh the children, well, they all still talk 0:01:25.556 --> 0:01:29.276 to me. That's a good side. Jesse was diagnosed with 0:01:29.316 --> 0:01:33.516 Parkinson's disease several years ago, but despite his condition, his 0:01:33.676 --> 0:01:37.596 spirits were lively and Jackie, she's always full of life. 0:01:38.036 --> 0:01:41.716 As we settled in, Jesse began to recall their early days. 0:01:42.076 --> 0:01:45.236 I prison met Jackie. She was in college. She was 0:01:45.956 --> 0:01:49.676 into modern dass, she's hid been to the library and 0:01:51.116 --> 0:01:56.596 beautiful begun measure. Parents are restrict on her. Those are pluses. 0:01:57.436 --> 0:01:59.396 She was in church all the time. Those are pluses. 0:02:00.076 --> 0:02:03.716 So you beginning you saying you evaluate what values you 0:02:03.756 --> 0:02:09.276 share the foundation with. Many mergers don't last long as 0:02:09.276 --> 0:02:13.636 they have no mottle rootage. It told tree roossa's deep 0:02:13.676 --> 0:02:17.276 as the tree is high, the little roots, that's another foundation. 0:02:18.156 --> 0:02:20.636 The wind blows, they can't take it. That's why I see. 0:02:22.316 --> 0:02:29.116 And what tree grows without roots, it cannot grow grow right. 0:02:30.116 --> 0:02:34.156 I can't get over how lucky you were to find Jackie. 0:02:34.556 --> 0:02:37.876 I mean, other women would have run out the door 0:02:38.036 --> 0:02:43.036 because you were never home. I love you. I was lucky. 0:02:44.836 --> 0:02:48.956 I told him because he was going and going and going, 0:02:48.996 --> 0:02:52.076 and then he wouldn't inform me. I went to him 0:02:52.076 --> 0:02:57.236 and I said, Reverend, you're supposed to make me happy. 0:02:59.236 --> 0:03:02.196 And I was, I mean, because I really felt a 0:03:02.356 --> 0:03:06.316 man is supposed to make you happy, that's his job. 0:03:08.076 --> 0:03:12.636 We've always had a very kind of said my frank relationship. 0:03:12.916 --> 0:03:15.436 And he looked at me and he said, I can't 0:03:15.516 --> 0:03:21.836 do that. Looks like, what do you mean, can't make 0:03:21.956 --> 0:03:28.516 me happy? He said, that's your responsibility to you. Whoa oh. 0:03:28.556 --> 0:03:33.116 I hated him. I was depressed for months. It's like, 0:03:33.996 --> 0:03:38.876 that's not why you get married. Partner secure. I'm going 0:03:38.956 --> 0:03:42.756 to finish my story. But that's an interesting thing to 0:03:42.796 --> 0:03:44.996 say that you thought he should make you happy. I 0:03:45.036 --> 0:03:47.636 thought he should make me happy. But he helped me 0:03:47.716 --> 0:03:51.396 to grow because I think after year, after hating him 0:03:51.436 --> 0:03:55.316 for a full year, planning a divorce and running away, 0:03:55.796 --> 0:04:00.916 um I figured it out. Um, there are things he 0:04:01.676 --> 0:04:08.556 enjoys that I don't. He likes sports and early in 0:04:08.596 --> 0:04:12.316 the marriage, which I wanted, I love theater. I need 0:04:12.316 --> 0:04:16.636 to go to sleep and snore. And that was very 0:04:16.716 --> 0:04:20.556 embarrassing for me, and it occurred to me that I 0:04:20.596 --> 0:04:27.236 shouldn't humiliate him by imposing onto him the things that 0:04:27.476 --> 0:04:33.116 I absolutely enjoy. And he made me miserable when we 0:04:33.156 --> 0:04:37.956 did it together. And yet he was opening his thinking 0:04:37.996 --> 0:04:40.876 that I could call my friends and we could go 0:04:40.916 --> 0:04:45.396 out to the theater. You know, in many of these relationships, 0:04:45.436 --> 0:04:50.596 if you don't like what I do, there is a 0:04:50.676 --> 0:04:57.116 serious problem, but you can make it beyond liking what 0:04:57.196 --> 0:05:01.236 I do in retrospect, have it overhead in common. It's 0:05:01.276 --> 0:05:06.116 been married and building. We we demonstrated together. We resented 0:05:06.876 --> 0:05:16.076 southern segregation, We resented the barbarism or racist institutions, visions 0:05:16.116 --> 0:05:19.836 for our children. And at the end of the day, 0:05:19.956 --> 0:05:27.236 it's about mutual to mutual security and fulfillment. If for 0:05:27.316 --> 0:05:30.156 rest it is as exciting, it's as young, as fresh, 0:05:30.236 --> 0:05:36.036 as sexy. But then there's responsibility comblems, and you had 0:05:36.036 --> 0:05:40.916 to share your resources. I mean, one of the problems 0:05:40.916 --> 0:05:44.396 of love is trust. And you trust somebody, you can't trust. 0:05:44.436 --> 0:05:47.836 Love will asks very long. You can't trust somebody and 0:05:47.956 --> 0:05:52.396 trust to make decisions that matter to you. Love matters soon. 0:05:53.396 --> 0:05:56.636 But love has a mature and the air qualities of 0:05:56.716 --> 0:06:04.716 life that add to love's maturity. Why didn't you tell 0:06:04.756 --> 0:06:11.156 me these things? Zac was academically in kind, and so 0:06:11.356 --> 0:06:15.876 was I either as incoming. She was trist based and 0:06:15.916 --> 0:06:20.516 so was I. She marched for our freedom and our dignity, 0:06:20.676 --> 0:06:24.436 and we did that together. We took risk together. But 0:06:24.596 --> 0:06:32.316 that was said, I want you to leave seminary and 0:06:32.396 --> 0:06:36.276 work with me full time. I was determined to ben 0:06:36.356 --> 0:06:41.076 seminary jacket. You should you should go work with that 0:06:41.236 --> 0:06:45.116 man when he was vacillating as to whether or not 0:06:45.676 --> 0:06:53.836 to keep his scholarship at the Chicago Theological Seminary through 0:06:53.876 --> 0:06:57.636 the Rockefeller Foundation. He had a scholarship to be here 0:06:57.716 --> 0:07:02.996 in Illinois at the school, So our housing and everything 0:07:07.116 --> 0:07:11.716 was in that package. Uh. And so when it came 0:07:11.796 --> 0:07:15.716 time for Reverend to make the decision, he was trying 0:07:15.756 --> 0:07:19.236 to weigh, what's to happen with my family if I 0:07:19.356 --> 0:07:24.916 go fully with this guy full time? Uh, doctor King, 0:07:25.196 --> 0:07:29.916 Doctor King, and and so, And what he's saying is 0:07:30.036 --> 0:07:34.956 I I just thought, I'm not sure if I've ever 0:07:34.996 --> 0:07:37.036 murdered someone else said they would have made that decision. 0:07:38.356 --> 0:07:39.996 None of my friends, and that we're going safe for 0:07:39.996 --> 0:07:44.556 the Urban League or something. It made more let's risk 0:07:45.116 --> 0:07:49.956 and they had kind of stable administrative jobs. Dartine was 0:07:50.196 --> 0:07:53.196 you might not come home, and you did not make 0:07:53.236 --> 0:07:56.556 any money, and and and did you give up the scholarship? 0:07:56.996 --> 0:08:00.836 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course he accepted doctor 0:08:00.916 --> 0:08:03.996 King's offer to join him. Jesse had been on this 0:08:04.076 --> 0:08:07.916 journey for civil justice since that historic summer in college 0:08:08.236 --> 0:08:11.716 in nineteen sixty. He'd been assigned a paper to write 0:08:11.956 --> 0:08:14.516 and needed to borrow a book from the local library 0:08:14.756 --> 0:08:18.716 in Greenville, South Carolina. It was a white library, and 0:08:18.796 --> 0:08:21.236 when they refused to give him the book, he went 0:08:21.276 --> 0:08:24.716 out back and cried. Eventually, he and his friends went 0:08:24.756 --> 0:08:28.156 back to that same library and staged a sit in 0:08:28.156 --> 0:08:33.316 in protest. We went to the library together, we were arrested. 0:08:35.156 --> 0:08:38.116 That's I lost my film death in jails. Frankly, the 0:08:38.116 --> 0:08:41.316 first time I went to jail, we were booked the afternoon. 0:08:41.356 --> 0:08:43.316 But the fact that we've been going to be booked, 0:08:44.636 --> 0:08:47.996 it was a book deal all over television was a breakthrough. 0:08:48.116 --> 0:08:51.236 I got home. I was never get my father. Who 0:08:51.356 --> 0:08:57.476 I got alarms my party from my father. That's your stepfather, father, 0:08:57.876 --> 0:09:02.076 And so it's the janitor. And we go by the 0:09:02.116 --> 0:09:04.236 bag on the Sunday afternoon. We would buff the floors 0:09:04.276 --> 0:09:09.796 and into the hands. Anyhow, the door open and missed 0:09:09.916 --> 0:09:11.916 the man who was in charge of the firm with 0:09:12.036 --> 0:09:14.356 two of his friends. They were tall guys, kind of 0:09:14.436 --> 0:09:17.956 drinking the red in the face. Yeah, then trying to 0:09:17.996 --> 0:09:21.476 come here at seven. I was very aware of the 0:09:21.556 --> 0:09:24.996 tone and who had that meant. He said, if you 0:09:25.036 --> 0:09:28.516 look him, I'm gonna krick you. That's not the buve machine. 0:09:29.956 --> 0:09:35.276 There's keys. The hope was what happened. He walt, miss sympathy, 0:09:36.196 --> 0:09:41.836 you take the keys. I can't subject kicking me, and 0:09:41.956 --> 0:09:44.356 you can't delay it back with you do the kick 0:09:44.356 --> 0:09:48.716 in either we walked out the bank. My policy for 0:09:48.836 --> 0:09:54.236 watching that acts of bravery. My father, Jesse's activism with 0:09:54.356 --> 0:09:57.836 doctor King took him deeper and deeper into the civil 0:09:57.916 --> 0:10:00.756 rights movement, so their work was often on the front 0:10:00.796 --> 0:10:05.036 pages of the newspapers. Can you imagine how complicated it 0:10:05.116 --> 0:10:07.796 must have been for Jesse and Jackie to be doing 0:10:07.876 --> 0:10:11.356 all of that. It's kids to raise. I had three 0:10:11.436 --> 0:10:16.876 children at that time, small children and one daughter sent 0:10:16.996 --> 0:10:21.956 Teeter and two boys who want ten months apart. That's 0:10:21.996 --> 0:10:23.956 pretty high schools all America. I never spoke with the 0:10:24.076 --> 0:10:28.116 high school. Yeah, I want to be just a Jackson's daughter. 0:10:28.836 --> 0:10:34.436 You see, that's attention because how they got you legal 0:10:34.476 --> 0:10:39.996 shit this high profile. So and so my wife slept 0:10:40.076 --> 0:10:45.036 in the gap. One time, Jesse and Junior said, I 0:10:45.436 --> 0:10:49.236 come home from the room and its team to the 0:10:49.396 --> 0:10:53.636 basketball game up at the academy. I didn't go. You 0:10:53.756 --> 0:10:56.516 said that. I appreciate all you've done. But another night, 0:10:56.596 --> 0:10:58.836 my mother comes to my game to see me play ball. 0:10:59.916 --> 0:11:04.476 I felt bad about it because I'm having I'm always 0:11:04.556 --> 0:11:08.996 ago shame between how the hell of this Jesse Jackson factor? 0:11:10.916 --> 0:11:16.836 And so it was about assuming responsibility, whether jack understood 0:11:16.876 --> 0:11:21.276 it and she transmitted it to them. In my work, 0:11:21.356 --> 0:11:25.676 I never was inhibited from doing what I had to do. 0:11:26.556 --> 0:11:32.516 My creativity was unlimited in times filling the road and 0:11:32.676 --> 0:11:42.196 my work was risky. More Over, we had threats and 0:11:43.836 --> 0:11:46.956 around the house beguns. We moved from the University of 0:11:47.076 --> 0:11:54.596 Chicago right because we were working with doctor King, and 0:11:55.476 --> 0:12:00.716 because of our work, we had access to many of 0:12:00.796 --> 0:12:04.196 the people who were products of the Great Migration. That's 0:12:04.236 --> 0:12:08.356 when so many African Americans, with the oppression in the 0:12:08.436 --> 0:12:13.516 South cave to Illinois. Most of those people are deceased 0:12:13.596 --> 0:12:17.396 now because that was a another age our elders and 0:12:17.956 --> 0:12:20.516 because they knew that we had worked, we were working 0:12:20.596 --> 0:12:26.036 with doctor King, and people kind of dove in and 0:12:26.236 --> 0:12:29.716 embraced us and protected us. We lived on the third 0:12:29.836 --> 0:12:36.556 floor of their apartment. And I remember who Spencer League now, 0:12:36.636 --> 0:12:41.436 who is one of the largest funeral power services in 0:12:41.636 --> 0:12:46.716 this area African American, and I remember his mother saying, 0:12:47.836 --> 0:12:52.316 You'll be very safe here. You'll be safe. Jackie is 0:12:52.356 --> 0:12:55.516 such a brave and determined woman. She wanted to be 0:12:55.676 --> 0:12:58.476 down in the trenches with the people they were fighting for. 0:12:59.156 --> 0:13:03.476 That's right. She didn't have what Jesse calls first lady ITAs. 0:13:05.556 --> 0:13:07.876 I like this. I like to sit in the audience 0:13:08.316 --> 0:13:11.596 because one you sit in the audience, you can hear 0:13:12.036 --> 0:13:15.596 what they truly think. I go to the grocery store 0:13:16.676 --> 0:13:22.316 and I interact with people in the parking lot. I 0:13:22.516 --> 0:13:25.956 fight over my right to park in this space. And 0:13:26.116 --> 0:13:30.756 you saw me here first. And then somebody will say, 0:13:31.636 --> 0:13:34.836 aren't you Jesse Jackson's wife. I said, no, she's I 0:13:34.956 --> 0:13:39.596 left her at home. No, I'm jack Well, I Jackson. 0:13:39.956 --> 0:13:44.036 I still exist. You know, I can think for myself. 0:13:44.516 --> 0:13:49.156 And I think women are very essential in holding a marriage, 0:13:49.356 --> 0:13:54.316 and marriages are based on the attitude really of a woman. 0:13:55.036 --> 0:13:58.916 If she wants, if she wants to keep it, she 0:13:59.116 --> 0:14:03.956 will keep it. And if she's finished with it completely, 0:14:04.076 --> 0:14:09.916 it's it's done. We'll have more. After a quick break, 0:14:21.276 --> 0:14:24.996 we're back to our conversation with Reverend Jesse Jackson and 0:14:25.236 --> 0:14:30.636 Jacqueline Jackson. Jackie never had first Lady IDAs, but that's 0:14:30.676 --> 0:14:34.796 because she was already doing her own thing, traveling the world, 0:14:35.156 --> 0:14:40.956 with diplomatic delegations and on fact finding missions. Jackie met 0:14:42.516 --> 0:14:48.956 a Fat first the delegation in Lebanon. I met him 0:14:49.076 --> 0:14:55.796 as Jack's husband, this international dimission of her life of vision. 0:14:57.196 --> 0:15:03.076 She met Daniel take a first and Castro and are 0:15:03.196 --> 0:15:11.556 Fat and middlease home with the field. Jack was in Lebanon, 0:15:13.516 --> 0:15:16.196 and there were moment So I don't tell you. There 0:15:16.196 --> 0:15:23.956 were moment I panicked and she can't make you. I 0:15:23.996 --> 0:15:27.396 could hear myself. I couldn't imagine her being over there 0:15:27.436 --> 0:15:32.236 and me be at home, and a lot you lay. 0:15:32.596 --> 0:15:36.516 You both have led a purposeful life, and you both 0:15:36.596 --> 0:15:40.116 have supported each other and inspired each other, it feels 0:15:41.196 --> 0:15:45.076 most of the time. Now. That does not mean that 0:15:45.276 --> 0:15:48.916 we don't fight. I have to fight with him to 0:15:49.036 --> 0:15:53.476 keep him sharp, and I do that every morning we 0:15:54.076 --> 0:16:01.316 have our exercise. I shouted him and I call him names. 0:16:02.276 --> 0:16:04.436 What what? What? What's ther name? You go? I'm not 0:16:04.676 --> 0:16:12.116 telling you. It's our little secret. Call you return. You'll 0:16:12.156 --> 0:16:17.556 never forget it. So I just take that blue. Let 0:16:17.636 --> 0:16:24.356 me just comment about how I see you. First of all, 0:16:24.436 --> 0:16:28.876 you're both very good looking, always have been. And Jesse 0:16:29.076 --> 0:16:31.636 really enters the room. I mean, he's a tree He's like, 0:16:32.036 --> 0:16:35.636 you know, that's very tall, and I have a feeling 0:16:35.716 --> 0:16:38.476 that you know, you can yell at him and he's 0:16:38.516 --> 0:16:41.516 not gonna run out the door. He won't run out 0:16:41.556 --> 0:16:50.196 the door. He takes bunches. Oh, he's good, un profound. 0:16:55.956 --> 0:16:59.356 You're not jealous of him, You're never concerned. It seems 0:16:59.396 --> 0:17:02.236 to me. I'm not jealous of him. No, you're not 0:17:02.396 --> 0:17:08.796 worried about I'm not worried about it. Mister tallman. Yeah, 0:17:09.156 --> 0:17:13.276 good looking. I was. We went out one night and 0:17:13.476 --> 0:17:19.196 this lady was so stunned to see reverend, so she 0:17:19.756 --> 0:17:23.836 ran past me and she just grabbed him by his 0:17:24.076 --> 0:17:29.396 neck and she just swung and swung, swung, and I 0:17:29.596 --> 0:17:34.076 kept moving further back. It's like, I'm not getting the 0:17:34.356 --> 0:17:38.116 hell beat out of me. You deal with the woman 0:17:38.236 --> 0:17:42.236 until and he comes saying, my wife Jackie, got in 0:17:42.716 --> 0:17:47.236 my wife Jackie. I think we've been in that situation 0:17:47.356 --> 0:17:50.276 a few times. Well, perhaps, but there was a more 0:17:50.436 --> 0:17:54.716 serious intrusion into the Jackson's marriage. We were in Atlanta, 0:17:54.956 --> 0:17:58.956 maybe yeah, and this woman walked up to me. My god, 0:17:59.036 --> 0:18:01.276 she was gorgeous, and she was saying, and she had 0:18:01.316 --> 0:18:03.756 her camera and she said, I want to take a picture, 0:18:04.196 --> 0:18:07.156 and I said, oh you can. She said, and who 0:18:07.236 --> 0:18:10.756 are you? I said, I'm his wife. She said, how 0:18:10.836 --> 0:18:13.916 can you stay with him after he went out there 0:18:14.076 --> 0:18:18.236 and had this baby? I said, this one is taken 0:18:19.716 --> 0:18:23.996 and you cannot stay around him too long because you're 0:18:24.076 --> 0:18:28.076 too good looking. Now you take your picture and leave. 0:18:28.356 --> 0:18:32.476 What baby? What she talking? The California reverend has a child. 0:18:32.996 --> 0:18:37.676 I have five children. Reverend has six. So was this 0:18:37.836 --> 0:18:41.356 woman's child? No, but she wanted to address it, and 0:18:41.516 --> 0:18:44.316 I wanted to let her know that I could. Well. 0:18:44.356 --> 0:18:48.316 I asked a question, I don't know about this baby thing. 0:18:48.396 --> 0:18:52.676 Would you mind telling me? I don't discuss it because 0:18:54.676 --> 0:18:59.516 it's something in my past that I dealt with, and 0:19:00.036 --> 0:19:04.276 I feel very comfortable. The young lady now is about 0:19:04.756 --> 0:19:10.476 Ashley's about twenty, and she's ad spellman in school. And 0:19:11.316 --> 0:19:17.716 I'm very comfortable and I'm very h Well, did you 0:19:17.796 --> 0:19:19.796 get mad at him? Did you throw him out? Or? An? 0:19:20.036 --> 0:19:23.796 Of course I did, because I uh, you know, as 0:19:23.836 --> 0:19:28.196 a wife, you feel you're the sexiest, you're the best. 0:19:29.036 --> 0:19:34.036 I'm trying to say before we go, is this well, 0:19:34.676 --> 0:19:39.756 days of sunshine and the wind behind your back there 0:19:39.956 --> 0:19:42.956 random days too. I don't think it's I don't like 0:19:43.116 --> 0:19:47.436 to say that. I think there are some realities. I 0:19:47.516 --> 0:19:53.116 think we are people. Nobody in this game, in this 0:19:53.396 --> 0:19:59.836 world today it's perfect. We're imperfect beings. There are a 0:19:59.876 --> 0:20:03.916 lot of flaws. And one of the things my attitude 0:20:04.236 --> 0:20:08.476 in life is I don't like to discuss problems of anybody. 0:20:08.836 --> 0:20:11.556 Tell how you got out of it, Tell me how 0:20:11.636 --> 0:20:15.476 you feel today, Tell me how you move forward. I 0:20:15.636 --> 0:20:18.676 call him reverence, so it reminds him of who he 0:20:18.876 --> 0:20:22.636 should be. What interested me when you said that is 0:20:23.516 --> 0:20:26.916 you kept that marriage together. Yes, you said, this is 0:20:27.036 --> 0:20:31.356 not going to destroy my marriage. I promised in sickness 0:20:31.916 --> 0:20:36.996 and in health, in good times and in bad, through 0:20:37.236 --> 0:20:42.636 triumphs and sorrows. This marriage is a test of my 0:20:42.996 --> 0:20:48.796 character and I and I learned this from my mother. 0:20:49.476 --> 0:20:52.716 Every time I received my report card, the first thing 0:20:52.876 --> 0:20:57.196 she looked at was my character. I don't look for 0:20:57.316 --> 0:21:01.316 good people. I try to be it myself and be 0:21:01.516 --> 0:21:06.276 the example. And that's a test of my character. Oh, 0:21:06.356 --> 0:21:11.916 I so admire you. I do you know. I am 0:21:12.156 --> 0:21:15.196 very proud to be a woman. If I have another 0:21:15.316 --> 0:21:17.356 chance to come back, I want to be a woman. 0:21:18.156 --> 0:21:23.956 I love and I love being an African American woman. 0:21:27.356 --> 0:21:33.036 I want women to be the very best people. Women 0:21:33.156 --> 0:21:37.476 are so necessary for men, and that's why women were 0:21:37.636 --> 0:21:44.036 created last, so that all of the finest ingredients that 0:21:45.156 --> 0:21:53.716 God may have missed when you were being composed. The 0:21:53.836 --> 0:22:01.156 Lord thought about Lord stopped, rested, said when he looked 0:22:01.196 --> 0:22:06.876 at men, I need a little help, and he's going 0:22:06.916 --> 0:22:10.156 to need some help. And God I'd sat down and 0:22:10.356 --> 0:22:16.556 thought about it and created me the second draft. I'm 0:22:16.596 --> 0:22:22.516 Mumuranella was plaut Israel. Well, I would not I would 0:22:22.596 --> 0:22:26.476 not have to do without my wife. I'm pretty good 0:22:26.516 --> 0:22:30.996 he didn't take me first. I'd be lost. I couldn't survive. 0:22:35.076 --> 0:22:39.916 That's the Reverend Jesse Jackson and Jacqueline Jackson. It's amazing 0:22:40.636 --> 0:22:44.236 their hard work for justice and their long partnership had 0:22:44.276 --> 0:22:47.876 been a part of American history. They certainly have. And 0:22:47.996 --> 0:22:49.556 I've got to say, it was fun to be back 0:22:49.596 --> 0:22:53.436 in Chicago again. Yep, just like the old days. Until 0:22:53.556 --> 0:22:57.556 next time. I'm Phil Donahue and I'm Marlo Thomas. I 0:22:57.756 --> 0:23:03.156 really thank you and it was a delightful interview. Double Day. 0:23:03.196 --> 0:23:06.876 It's a production of Pushkin Industries. 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