WEBVTT - Ep. 192  — $40,000 of Debt and Not Sure Where to Start

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, hey, hey, I thought I'd start off with a

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<v Speaker 1>little sexy. Hey, it's me tipp Day by Daday's and

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<v Speaker 1>this is Brown Ambition.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Mandra, So you started sexy and how was that ending?

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<v Speaker 1>What were we doing? Ended? Wild and crazy? Because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say sexy long?

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going? Happy Brand Ambition Wednesday?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm super excited because next week it's my birthday

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm turning the big Bote. Isn't that crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>I told you know, I had lunch with our Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I sorry, I had breakfast this morning with our buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>Sharon Epperson from CNEC. You guys got to go back

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<v Speaker 2>and listen to our episode with Sharon, our interview with her.

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<v Speaker 2>She a few years ago had a break and aneurysm

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<v Speaker 2>and bounced back and uh has so much. Has such

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting story of how her brain aneurysm kind of

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<v Speaker 2>changed the trajectory of her career at CNBC. Anyway, mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>to sharing we were talking about you, of course, that

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<v Speaker 2>you're returning the Big four to zero, and the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing she said is God, I love Melanin like, because

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<v Speaker 2>she was like, I would never guess that Tiffany was forty.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm not gonna lie. I would never guess

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm forty either. It feels so old. But honestly

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel so you know, I guess that counts

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<v Speaker 1>for something. Yeah, yeah, I'm actually excited about would you

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<v Speaker 1>say forty is the new thirty, right? Yeah, Honestly, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel I feel good because I I have to reflect on,

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<v Speaker 1>like my life. I kind of feel like that the

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<v Speaker 1>things that I sat out to accomplished as far as professionally,

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<v Speaker 1>and the only things really that I'm like really working

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<v Speaker 1>on moving forward is I feel like my personal life,

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<v Speaker 1>like I want to build deeper relationships and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be a better person those kind of things like

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<v Speaker 1>I I mean, of course I've got like world domination

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<v Speaker 1>through the budget hay stuff, but I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen either way. But really I really want

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<v Speaker 1>to work on being a better person and work all

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<v Speaker 1>that aspect of my life. That's my little reflective turning

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<v Speaker 1>forty south.

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<v Speaker 2>And just yeah, and don't forget to look. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a nice time to reflect on all your accomplishments too.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm, it's not necessarily I mean speaking, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll probably I mean it's probably like a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>different emotions mixed into one. Yeah, where you are not

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<v Speaker 2>sure where you're going blah blah blah. I can only imagine,

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<v Speaker 2>and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Depends where because I you know, it's so crazy because

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<v Speaker 1>my thirtieth birthday, when I was turning thirty, that's when

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<v Speaker 1>I just moved home and I was sleeping in my

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<v Speaker 1>middle school bed. So it's been a it's been a

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<v Speaker 1>crazy rod. I'm like, wow, last Big Moments's birthday was

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<v Speaker 1>quite a different situation to circumstance. I was literally like

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<v Speaker 1>it was like turning thirty and my dad was like,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you're home by midnight. That's to curfew. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait, what So we come a long way, baby,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you no more midnight curfew, grown woman.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm honestly, I'm really excited because this week this

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<v Speaker 1>past weekend, I took the Unicorn Squad. That's the name

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<v Speaker 1>of my team, and we call them Unicorns because I

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<v Speaker 1>say they make magic happen every day. It was eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>of us, so myself, my business partner Jabrill, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really his idea. To give him credit that

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<v Speaker 1>last year was the first time that we took everyone

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<v Speaker 1>away on kind of like a family vacation, and this

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<v Speaker 1>was our second year. Mandy. It was so much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You would not think that, like because it's literally Jabrill

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<v Speaker 1>and seventeen women no drama know nothing. When I tell

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<v Speaker 1>you fun, and I love that. I mean I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I laughed more or danced more. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>summer camp for grown women, and Jabrill.

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<v Speaker 2>I have just as much Filmo for that as I

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<v Speaker 2>do for Tyler Perry's Atlanta studio opening.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just really looked like amazing weekends.

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<v Speaker 1>Well because you know, the team looked We work largely remotely,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's like the question always comes up, like how

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<v Speaker 1>do you keep you know, like you get to see

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<v Speaker 1>your team regularly, so like you can build relationships, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like these kind of intimate relationships. But it's it can

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<v Speaker 1>be difficult when it's when everybody works all around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Natalie Watsi Zaka that's her name, she lives in Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Jabrill doesn't live anywhere. He just goes from place to place.

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<v Speaker 1>Although he doesn't he lives in Opland now, but like

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<v Speaker 1>it's never there.

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<v Speaker 3>Karen is in at least that he's yes, Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 3>just like I mean, he literally lives places for like

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<v Speaker 3>three months stints and then like uh, Logan lives in DC,

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<v Speaker 3>Karen lives in Atlanta and lives in Philly.

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<v Speaker 1>So everybody lives all these different places and yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>so to get together and to meet people and to

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<v Speaker 1>hug them, like, well, I have to say, Sylvia lives

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<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas because she's like no one ever managins Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's just nice to like hug on them.

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<v Speaker 1>And we did. We we got a private chef, and

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<v Speaker 1>we we rented we're air and b Airbnb houses. We

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<v Speaker 1>had we bought like when I bought, but we rented

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<v Speaker 1>some cars to take us around. We did the escape room,

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<v Speaker 1>We had a barbecue. We went to Scott Scott Stales

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<v Speaker 1>I called Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Arizona, Okay, And it was beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>So we definitely had to go to a beautiful spot.

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<v Speaker 1>So we found like this five stars, dime five diamond,

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<v Speaker 1>not even star five diamond spot. It was the best

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<v Speaker 1>bout any of us I'd ever been to. So honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it was such a good time. It was Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>was three nights, four days, and we just really enjoyed,

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<v Speaker 1>Like my sister got to come for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>because she's been on the team. We say, people asked

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<v Speaker 1>how were we able to like afford and so what we

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<v Speaker 1>did was we saved two percent of our gross income

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<v Speaker 1>from the companies and we stashed it in the savings

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<v Speaker 1>account and then that's our budget. And actually we kind

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<v Speaker 1>of came in under budget. I think I want to

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<v Speaker 1>say we had like forty something thousand saves, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think we say we spent thirty nine thousands. So we

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<v Speaker 1>played for flights, accommodations, even the car, your lift or

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<v Speaker 1>you're whatever from the house to the airport and back again.

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<v Speaker 1>Even that we pay for everything. I don't want you

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for anything. This is just the time to enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this is the second year we came on

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<v Speaker 1>the budget last year. We came on the budget this year,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was like proud of that that like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say probably cost around forty thousand dollars for

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<v Speaker 1>about twenty of us. We even got a videographer to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like document like our weekend together. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Unicorn squad, it's like we're all amped up and everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>extra and rejuvenated and so yeah, I would honestly love

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from the listeners like, what's something that your

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<v Speaker 1>employer has done that just made you like super happy

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<v Speaker 1>and geeked because I'm always trying to be a better

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<v Speaker 1>leader and a better employer, so that way people are

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<v Speaker 1>super happy to work with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're on the right track. I wouldn't worry.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think anyone out there can talk and all expense,

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<v Speaker 2>all expenses paid girlfriend's weekend with a spa and a videographer,

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<v Speaker 2>what private chef? What s got to here? Just looking

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<v Speaker 2>for ways to improve all the amazingness that's already you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's because, first of all, like I forgot, I

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<v Speaker 1>never really told the team. I know, y'all listen to listen,

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<v Speaker 1>but her a little snitche behind hey, Adelie, So she

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<v Speaker 1>she listened to the podcast regularly, and she was telling

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<v Speaker 1>the team that's what you get all the tea about

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<v Speaker 1>the company, guys. That's how I found out that Timpany

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<v Speaker 1>let go the admint after one day. And then she

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<v Speaker 1>had everyone listen and I'm looking like, really, oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and they were like, oh, Timpany, you savage.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, I'm not savage, but they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, that it was best for the team,

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<v Speaker 1>and they kind of gave me some feedback up some

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<v Speaker 1>interactions they had with with the admin, and so, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just still we know we made the right choice.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just funny that she listens to the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>for Tea Tea on the business.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just smart. That's a smart that's a smart employee. Right, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's amazing. I was just joking about Tyler Perry, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was, you know, I'm from Atlanta, and it felt

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<v Speaker 2>like literally everybody I've ever known much invited to this

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler Perry party, and of course everyone I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>the clip showed up. I'm like, the only people who

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<v Speaker 2>did not show up were the Obamas, is what it

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<v Speaker 2>felt like. I don't know what they were doing, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was like every I mean, all of the black

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<v Speaker 2>power in America was in Atlanta for this studio opening.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, it's that amazing what he's been able to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you know that the studio like this, it's

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than what is it Disney Warner Brothers? Is something

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<v Speaker 1>all the major studios combined. Isn't that crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>I did not I did not know that. I did watch.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched Ava Duvernet stories, and they do like a

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<v Speaker 2>trolley tour of the whole studio. I mean, they legit

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<v Speaker 2>built the freaking white house, like the front and the

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<v Speaker 2>back of it, and they have a whole neighborhood on

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<v Speaker 2>his studio. Like and you know, Tayler Perry gets a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of crap for the films and the quality of

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<v Speaker 2>them and what are they really doing for the culture

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<v Speaker 2>and blah blah blah. But I'm just saying, man, when

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<v Speaker 2>a man can be that successful, a black man can

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<v Speaker 2>be as successful as all the mediocre white people producing,

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<v Speaker 2>Like come on, like, we don't all need to be

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<v Speaker 2>oscar makers, Like when we have the right to be

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<v Speaker 2>hella successful, hella rich, have big ass studios, do what

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<v Speaker 2>we want to do and put out work that's not

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<v Speaker 2>always going to be like the creme de la creme.

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<v Speaker 2>That is when I feel like we've made some progress, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so let him make his media movies. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously his content does appeal to his audience,

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<v Speaker 2>and he knows his audience as well, so I give

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<v Speaker 2>him nothing but respect. And it seemed like a really

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful inspirational, you know weekend. So good for him and

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<v Speaker 2>good for Atlanta. Like yeah, all that all that money

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<v Speaker 2>from Hollywood moving into Atlanta. It makes me feel good

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<v Speaker 2>to know that we've got like this is history. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the first black owned studio like on this scale

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<v Speaker 2>in the country and it's in Atlanta. So go shut

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<v Speaker 2>out to my hometown. Why did you get so cool it?

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<v Speaker 1>I know, well, and that has been cool for a

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<v Speaker 1>while now, you know, because first of all, Atlanta got

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<v Speaker 1>a man named gotta gotta mayor named Keisha. There's like

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<v Speaker 1>a rap song that has that in its what And

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<v Speaker 1>I love that Because I was watching this documentary that

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<v Speaker 1>Prudential has Legacy lives on. It's the one that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a part of. And they asked Keisha long Bottom, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your favorite what's your favorite line of Atlanta? And

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<v Speaker 1>she said, besides, Atlanta got a mayor named Keisha, And

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<v Speaker 1>I just love that, Like Keisha, Okay, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a blacker name and I love it, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it just it was very I'm so glad that Ever

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<v Speaker 1>kind of showed like the tour because I was blown away.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, that was actually gonna be my brown

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<v Speaker 1>booth saying thanks man, driving what apps together? Yeah? No,

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<v Speaker 1>it just yeah, it looked amazing. I was like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I think the biggest takeaway and actually

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<v Speaker 1>had me thinking maybe we could talk about this like

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<v Speaker 1>between us, like what like he said that what he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted people to take away is that to dream bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your wildest probably not gonna happen, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wildest dream you get think of. And I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>to myself, like, what would that be for me? My wildest,

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<v Speaker 1>kookiest yeah, right dream?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, are you gonna share?

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<v Speaker 1>I think?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you just neule?

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<v Speaker 1>No? You well, I think like, I mean, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of different things, but one one of them would

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<v Speaker 1>be to like have like a billion dollar business, and

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<v Speaker 1>honestly not the one that you would think, not the

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<v Speaker 1>budget Nesta, but through Molly Moore, my children's book, like

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<v Speaker 1>I could totally see her, you know, being a TV show,

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<v Speaker 1>being like a standalone character, being something that like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years from now, when I'm not here anymore, well

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm ninety, so I am going to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>But fifty years from now, people like kids are still

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Molly Moore, the character the way they talk

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<v Speaker 1>about like I don't know, the smirks or something. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be my biggest wildest like Kookie is like that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I have, I grew Molly Moore and the brand

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<v Speaker 1>to this billion dollar brand that includes like merchandise and

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<v Speaker 1>bedspreads and and sneakers and book bags and TV shows

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<v Speaker 1>and computer programs and all that kind of stuff. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Also that would be crazy to me. But yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>probably my biggest dream.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she could be the next Doc mcstuffans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I really like I could. I could feel that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like honestly, I feel like my temple is Dora. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know I did a little digging and research and

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<v Speaker 1>found that Dora, the worth of Dora the brand is

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<v Speaker 1>seven billion dollars with a big and I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, she just got a whole new movie, like a

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<v Speaker 2>whole movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what made So that would be my biggest dream.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you, what would be your biggest wildist craziest.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't I don't even know. I've always dreamed

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<v Speaker 2>about being a Broadway playwright, which sounds like the douchiest

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<v Speaker 2>thing to ever dream about, but I don't care. I've

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<v Speaker 2>dreamt about it. That's what I've always wanted to, like

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<v Speaker 2>write a play, get a play produced, and I in

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<v Speaker 2>and of itself that feat forget about awards or successful,

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<v Speaker 2>but just like getting a play and and and like

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<v Speaker 2>selling tickets and people showing up for it. That is

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<v Speaker 2>my current fantasy. But I'm sitting here wanting. I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 2>here like, yeah, you can definitely make molly more a

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollar business. But in my head, I'm like, Brol,

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<v Speaker 2>You're never gonna red play like, You're never gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>like you know how you like you lift up your

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<v Speaker 2>friends and then you just like crap on you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're such a good writer. I mean, I don't live

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<v Speaker 1>that's so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let me tell me it's not crazy because in

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<v Speaker 2>my head, I'm just it's something that I wanted to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I it's it's honestly that saying that you're

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<v Speaker 2>afraid to even say out loud because you Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's a it's a forbidden dream.

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<v Speaker 1>No. At first, I think one is such an old

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<v Speaker 1>writer too. You've got such discipline. I mean, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>you came to remember four years ago, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>courted me at in New Orleans at thinkn like you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do a podcast, and now look I'm freaking

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<v Speaker 1>getting stopped in the street, not about Budgetista, but like

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<v Speaker 1>love your podcast. I'm like, what, okay, I mean men

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<v Speaker 1>and women. I'm like, look at the Jamal's out there

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<v Speaker 1>secretly listening. No, but I just think that, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>you you know, this was a dream that you had.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't even know, like like what do we use?

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<v Speaker 1>What material? Like, how do we edit? How do we look?

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<v Speaker 1>You figured it out and now we're freaking rocking and rolling,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's I know, No, You're right, I mean that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I am really I'm super proud of the podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really proud, but like this is us, you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>do a play that's all me, and it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's scarier because it really is all you on

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<v Speaker 2>your own, just doing something, and the act of anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who's a writer or just writing a book or writing fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it is. It's just it's tortuous and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why we but it's also so rewarding to

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<v Speaker 2>just finish a body of work. So I'd be so

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<v Speaker 2>proud if I could, if I could do that, and

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<v Speaker 2>I and I you know, I'm not to be corny,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think about I I feel like there's extra

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<v Speaker 2>pressure now that I'm having a kid to not let

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<v Speaker 2>this be it, you know, Like I want and I

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<v Speaker 2>want several chapters after child. I want to have like

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of different careers after I have a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>and keep producing, keep creating, keep reinventing myself, and have

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<v Speaker 2>interesting things happen in my life, you know, so that

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<v Speaker 2>my kid will be excited about what's going on in

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<v Speaker 2>my life, you know what I mean, Like, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want it to be and she had a kid period.

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<v Speaker 2>I want there to be multiple chapters after that. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's no excuse why there shouldn't be. It's just, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's a little daunting to think about, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, But honestly, you can do it. If anybody

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<v Speaker 1>could do it, Mandy, you're like a force. Many'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>let there be podcast okay, And they were like, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was podcasts and it was good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh thank you, I am the god of podcast You're right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, honestly, I would love, honestly to hear from our listeners, like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's follow in the theme of Tyler Perry, what is

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<v Speaker 1>your big, audacious, crazy yeah, right, once in a lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>goal dream Like, I think part of the to be

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<v Speaker 1>one of the hardest parts is just to say it

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<v Speaker 1>out loud. So tweet it to us, send it to

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<v Speaker 1>us on IG, message us in the email, like I

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<v Speaker 1>would really love and maybe we'll share some of them,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think there's something powerful in writing the thing

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<v Speaker 1>and then speaking the thing and someone else is speaking

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. So let's do that. What's your biggest craziest Like, Yo,

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<v Speaker 1>if I could do this, this is what it would be.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's no way, there's no way, but say it

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll share some of them. How about that?

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds good. You know you're on the right track

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<v Speaker 2>if you got sweenty like I did when you started

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it. Oh, maybe it's the horrimone. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>These are our questions you guys already. No, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the words. So you can keep your messages to

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<v Speaker 1>yourself every every podcast without fail. Soone said Tippany, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna learn these learn these lyrics. The answer is never,

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<v Speaker 1>Just like I'm not gonna never gonna remember all the

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<v Speaker 1>handles or the email. My brain has already said tap tap,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm out all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I got you there, I got you there. If

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<v Speaker 2>you guys would like to submit a question to the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>you can hit us up at Brand Ambition Podcast on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>send us the DM, or you can hit us up

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<v Speaker 2>by email Brand Ambition Podcast at gmail dot com, or

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<v Speaker 2>check out our website brandambision podcast dot com and click

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<v Speaker 2>ask us anything and ask us anything. All right, I

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<v Speaker 2>have dug through. We had so many good questions on

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<v Speaker 2>the Instagram you guys sent in probably I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>a few dozen questions over the past week. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to parse through and pick a couple of month favorites.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's start with one from listener. Do they want to

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<v Speaker 2>be anonymous? Okay, we'll just say their name is Olivia.

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<v Speaker 2>So Olivia wants to know how can she build credit

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<v Speaker 2>in college without taking out a bunch of credit cards.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's her question. Hey, y'all, I'm a senior on

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<v Speaker 2>track to graduate from university in December. My problem is

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<v Speaker 2>that I have a really low credit score, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how I can raise it. I've tried to

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<v Speaker 2>apply for numerous credit cards in the past, student credit cards,

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<v Speaker 2>secured cards, and otherwise, but I've always been denied. I

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<v Speaker 2>do have some student loan debt about ten thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm guessing that that's why my score is so low.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to attend law school next fall, and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>really like to get my score up so I can

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<v Speaker 2>establish credit and raise my score. But how can I

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<v Speaker 2>do that if I keep getting it denied? For credit cards?

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting question?

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<v Speaker 1>So to be clear, is she applying for regular credit

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<v Speaker 1>card or has she applied for a secured card?

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<v Speaker 2>She said a secured card and a student credit card,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's been denied every time. Really, isn't that surprising? Shit?

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if she's gone to a credit union, because

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<v Speaker 2>I mean secured cards, even if your credits low, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they're made for. I mean, you you literally put

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<v Speaker 2>money down on the card and then you pay them

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<v Speaker 2>off over time. But of course you put down the deposit,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's very little for the bank to lose. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why they're such good credit bolder tools.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, honestly, I would also look into them forget them.

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<v Speaker 1>I would look into self well all themselves self now

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<v Speaker 1>not self lender, So I wonder, wait, what's their website? Then?

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<v Speaker 1>If it's like not self lender, self lender. So the

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<v Speaker 1>way well, it was called the company formerly known as

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<v Speaker 1>self lender. I don't know companies be changed up their

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<v Speaker 1>names these days. Oh it's self think. I guess that's

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<v Speaker 1>their website now, yeap, that's what it is, self ink

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<v Speaker 1>dot com, I n C. So what I like about

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<v Speaker 1>self lender or self is that you do a full borrow.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the way it works is that you go

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<v Speaker 1>to self you say yes, I want to I want

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<v Speaker 1>to borrow money. And the good thing is they don't

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<v Speaker 1>lend you money based upon your credit score. They lend

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<v Speaker 1>you money based upon like your oh what is that thing? Uh? Oh, mandy,

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<v Speaker 1>Like help me with the word that you know. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just say you don't pay a bank back or

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<v Speaker 1>you over you after you don't pay the back, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they tell on you and they put you on

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<v Speaker 1>checkbooks though quick checks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh check systems.

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<v Speaker 1>Check systems, I said, check books quick you know I

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<v Speaker 1>am legitimately eighty out there. So self lender looks at

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<v Speaker 1>check systems basically as long as you don't have any

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<v Speaker 1>outstanding like beef with another bank. And so the way

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<v Speaker 1>it works is the reason why they used to call

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<v Speaker 1>themselves self lender. Is them, you don't really get the money.

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<v Speaker 1>I always suggest to people that you borrow the lowest amount,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I think five hundred dollars, and they say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the name we gave.

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<v Speaker 2>Her, Olivia? Olivia.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Olivia, here's your five hundred dollars. Side, we're actually

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<v Speaker 1>going to keep it and put it in a money

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<v Speaker 1>market fund for you. But you're going to pay us

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<v Speaker 1>back every month for a year until you pay out

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<v Speaker 1>the five hundred dollars and so and the money that

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred dollars, we're going to put it into an account.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to earn a little interest, not much, but whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you're going to pay every month, which is

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like forty something dollars a month, don't

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<v Speaker 1>quote me on that, but whatever it is a month,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll pay it. And so they will report to the

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<v Speaker 1>credit Bureaus Olivia has not only paid a debt monthly

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<v Speaker 1>on time, she paid it off in full at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the year. And then you get your five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars back, because remember you never got the original

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred dollars loan. And so that is a great

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<v Speaker 1>way if you've been locked out of the credits kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like market. That's why Self came up with that solution.

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<v Speaker 1>But Self is not the only company that does that.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of credit unions they just call a credit

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<v Speaker 1>builder loan. So you can look at your credit union

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<v Speaker 1>if you have one, if they have a credit builder loan,

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<v Speaker 1>or if they don't. I like Self, I've been suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>them for the last few years and I've never really

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<v Speaker 1>heard any negative feedback about them. I think they're a

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<v Speaker 1>great company, so I would start there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good idea. Another idea is to become

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<v Speaker 2>an authorized user, Like if you if your parents have

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<v Speaker 2>good credit and they're willing to add you as an

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<v Speaker 2>authorized user on their credit what of their credit cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Make sure that the credit card reports your authorized user

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<v Speaker 2>behavior activity to the credit bureaus. Most of them do,

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<v Speaker 2>but some of them don't, so double check that. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's one way that you can also build credit. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to be sure that you know you're hitching

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<v Speaker 2>your horse to hitching your I don't know, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to mess up that analogy anyway. Just name sure it's

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<v Speaker 2>the right move for you first, and that your parents

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<v Speaker 2>and you are in the same page, and that you

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<v Speaker 2>have you know boundaries and ground rules for how you

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<v Speaker 2>use the credit card. And also if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be you know, thinking about law school, you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>you graduate in those that ten thousand dollars where the

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<v Speaker 2>student loans come due, as long as you don't miss

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<v Speaker 2>your first payment. You know, it's easy to miss your

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<v Speaker 2>first payment because you think, oh, I've got six months,

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<v Speaker 2>and those six months fly by and you forget about

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<v Speaker 2>that payment hitting your account, and then you end up,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, starting off on the wrong foot. Once you

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<v Speaker 2>start making payments on your student loans, that should also

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<v Speaker 2>improve your credit moving forward, making those payments each month,

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.280
<v Speaker 2>and a credit a student loans a type of installment debt,

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<v Speaker 2>which just means that it's one blump sum and then

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<v Speaker 2>you pay it off and fixed payments each month, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a mortgage or an auto loan. And that

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<v Speaker 2>can also improve your mix of credit. If you let's

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<v Speaker 2>say you get a self leunder account or you get

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<v Speaker 2>added as an authorized user on a credit card, and

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<v Speaker 2>you also have a positive installment loan payment history, like

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<v Speaker 2>with your student loan, that will together start building your

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<v Speaker 2>credit slowly over time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's really good, because you're right, because installment because

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<v Speaker 1>self lender is going to be an installment loan, so

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<v Speaker 1>eventually what it will help is I just can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>you got denied from Uh, yeah, that doesn't happen very

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it does happen, it doesn't happen very often.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe once you get like one of these credit

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<v Speaker 1>builder loans into the mix, you can try again to

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<v Speaker 1>see and usually when you get denied, they're supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>send you something in the mail for why you got denied.

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<v Speaker 1>So I definitely would would request wherever you made the

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<v Speaker 1>request to, I would ask, you know, you know, am

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<v Speaker 1>I going to receive something to share, like why I

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<v Speaker 1>was denied? Like, oh, remember update, remember Mandy when I

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<v Speaker 1>said I tried to get like an increase to my

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<v Speaker 1>credit card and they denied me. So it turned out

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<v Speaker 1>they had recently given me an increase, because they sent

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<v Speaker 1>me a letter in the mail saying, hey, you were

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<v Speaker 1>denied because you recently had an increase. And I was like, oh, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess okay, yeah, so and I kind of remember that,

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<v Speaker 1>I vaguely remember, Okay, I do remember whatever, so but

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<v Speaker 1>it was good to know. So usually when you're denied credit,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll send you something in the mail to say why

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<v Speaker 1>so that I would be very interested to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, thank you Olivia for your question. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 2>let's do another question from Instagram a user whose name

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense, so I'm going to call her Greta.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry and ad fancy Greta. All right, she says, hello, ladies,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for a beautiful podcast filled with precious jewels.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh here's my question. What would be the best way

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<v Speaker 2>to tackle debt? If my husband and I have forty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars worth of debt from credit cards, student loans,

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<v Speaker 2>and personal loans, should we consolidate our debt or try

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<v Speaker 2>using a method like the snowball method for more information.

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<v Speaker 2>We're both students, we have full time jobs and a mortgage,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're struggling to save money while trying to pay

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<v Speaker 2>off debt questions. So, just to recap forty dollars in

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<v Speaker 2>total that consists of credit cards, student loans, and personal loans.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting mass, and they're wondering how to tackle it. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's collectively, that's collectively together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, I'm not gonna lie. That's not that bad. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying that we could say that.

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<v Speaker 2>What I was thinking like y'all can do this. You

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<v Speaker 2>got this, Yes, you got this. We'll take each of

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<v Speaker 2>those three types. We don't know how much it's credit cards,

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<v Speaker 2>how much is student loans, or we don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>the interest rates are, so it's a little bit difficult

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<v Speaker 2>to give specific advice. But where would you where would

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<v Speaker 2>you say start.

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<v Speaker 1>To Well, I would, I personally like the snowball methods.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little biased, and the snowball method is just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of when you line up your debt from lowest

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<v Speaker 1>to the highest as far as balances are concerned, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you start to tackle the debt with the lowest balance first.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically the other two debts get their minimum and

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<v Speaker 1>the debt with the lowest balance gets its minimum plus

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<v Speaker 1>whatever extra money you could pull from your from your budget.

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<v Speaker 1>So you should have a budget and say, hey, budget,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how much my life costs. How much is

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<v Speaker 1>left over after I pay my expenses? Oh, there's two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars left over, And then you can might decide

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars is gonna go to saving, because you

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<v Speaker 1>should be saving and paying down debts simultaneously, so maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars goes to savings. And another hundred goes

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<v Speaker 1>to my debt paydown plan. So now you have your

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<v Speaker 1>debt paid down plan money. And if you're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>the snowball method, it would look like this, Hey, lowest

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<v Speaker 1>balance debt, You're gonna get your minimum plus this one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars, and now I'm gonna pay it, pay pay,

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<v Speaker 1>pay pay and pay pay it. And then when that's

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<v Speaker 1>paid off, I'm gonna roll over the lowest debts minimum

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<v Speaker 1>plus that one hundred dollars to the second lowest debt.

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<v Speaker 1>So the second lowest det is gonna get effectively three

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<v Speaker 1>payments in one. It's minimum the first lowest debts minimum

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<v Speaker 1>plus that hundred dollars, and then you're gonna pay pay

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<v Speaker 1>pay pay pay it pay paid off, and then you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna roll it off to the third lowest debt. And

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<v Speaker 1>so that's the way the snowball method works. Or you

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<v Speaker 1>can use the add into method, which is when you

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<v Speaker 1>pay off the debt with the highest interest rate off first.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the avalance method makes the most sense as

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<v Speaker 1>far as mathematically, because you're basically paying off the debt

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<v Speaker 1>that has that's costing you the most amount of money

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<v Speaker 1>because the interest rate is the highest, and the snowball

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<v Speaker 1>method makes the most sense emotionally because if you pay

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<v Speaker 1>off the debt with the lowest balance first, you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get a faster return emotional return on your investment,

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<v Speaker 1>because it might take you ten years to pay off

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<v Speaker 1>the debt with the highest interest rate, and so you

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<v Speaker 1>might not feel as good about it. So I like

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<v Speaker 1>the snowball method, although the obviously that oline method is

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<v Speaker 1>amazing if you can stick with it. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that I think that that's what I would do.

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<v Speaker 1>I would line it up like that, Honestly, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would look at the I feel like I have a feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of all three of those types of debt that

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<v Speaker 2>you have, the credit cards probably have the highest interest rates.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm a fan, I mean, And that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>looking at things with the avalanche method in mind versus

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<v Speaker 2>a snowball. But if you wanted to quick, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>especially if you're kind of struggling, and let's say he's

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<v Speaker 2>got some credit cards, You've got some credit cards, and

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<v Speaker 2>you want a simple way to just keep track of

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<v Speaker 2>everything in one place, you could look into consolidating those

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 2>credit cards with a personal loan, for example, from a

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<v Speaker 2>credit union. If it means that you could secure a

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<v Speaker 2>lower interest rate than what you're currently paying on those

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<v Speaker 2>credit cards, because we know how difficult it can be

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<v Speaker 2>to pay down credit card debt, and when it's got

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what is the average APR in credit cards,

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<v Speaker 2>and thing like seventeen percent that's with like perfect credit today.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I could look at I know it's this crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You could look at consolidating those credit cards just so

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<v Speaker 2>you have one fixed monthly payment, which is what you

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<v Speaker 2>get with a personal loan, and then you can both

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<v Speaker 2>tackle that payment together. And of course when you're applying

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 2>for a personal loan, they're going to take into account

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<v Speaker 2>how much you can afford to pay, so your monthly

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<v Speaker 2>payment shouldn't be more shouldn't end up being more than

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<v Speaker 2>what you guys can comfortably afford with your student loans.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're both still still in school, then maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>aren't quite due yet, so they're not an immediate concern,

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<v Speaker 2>but you definitely want to. I would focus on getting

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<v Speaker 2>rid of that other types of debt, the credit card,

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<v Speaker 2>the personal loans before you guys graduate, so that when

0:30:07.920 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>you graduate, you can just throw everything you got at

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.840
<v Speaker 2>those student loans. If the student loans are an issue now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if they're federal, there's things you can do,

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<v Speaker 2>income based repayment, for bearers, deferment while you focus on

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<v Speaker 2>your higher interest debt like credit cards or personal loans

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 2>to buy yourself some time. But eventually you got to

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<v Speaker 2>tackle them right and even if you defer them, interest

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 2>is going to still be accruing, So you want to

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<v Speaker 2>aggressively as fast as you can get rid of the

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>other debt and then hop on those student loans. If

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<v Speaker 2>they're private, you can look into well, if you've got them,

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, pretty high interest rate in your student loans

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 2>and you think you're interested in looking at refinancing. That's

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 2>also an option. If you guys have strong credit scores.

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<v Speaker 2>There's lots of companies out there that will refinance your

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<v Speaker 2>student loan debt today, which will help you secure a

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 2>lower interest rate and maybe reduce your payments and help

0:30:57.160 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 2>you pay it off faster. But just keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have federal student loans and you're refinancing them,

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 2>you're essentially turning them into a private loan, which means

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<v Speaker 2>those flexible options I mentioned earlier, like income based repayment

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:15.040
<v Speaker 2>or forbearance are probably no longer available to you, so

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<v Speaker 2>it has to be worth that trade off for you

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<v Speaker 2>to refinance them and turn them into private loans.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and to me, it rarely is worth it, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know. So, I mean there's companies like so far

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that I that are great companies for refinancing for private loans,

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 1>but I always tell people, if you can keep them federal,

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 1>it typically is worth it, just because if you ever

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 1>fall on hard times, private loans don't care, but loans,

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 1>but federal loans, there are things in place that you

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<v Speaker 1>know that you can use to protect yourself if you

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<v Speaker 1>fall on hard times, and it's much easier to default

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 1>on a private loan, like a veteral loan is harder

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<v Speaker 1>to default. And so yeah, so I mean it's except

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<v Speaker 1>for like maybe rare instances, it's almost always best to

0:31:57.120 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 1>stay federal if you can.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. But like we both said, forty k between

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<v Speaker 2>the two of you, guys, if you've got you know,

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>you're working. You said, you have full time jobs, you're

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:09.239
<v Speaker 2>wanting to pay it off. You just need a good

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 2>strategy that works for both of you. So if it

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 2>sounds like you need what Tiffany said, the snowball method,

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 2>which snowball method is excellent. I mean a study actually

0:32:17.400 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 2>showed that people were more likely to keep up their

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 2>good debt payoff habits with the snowball method, even though

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<v Speaker 2>technically it's not the most mathematically logical method between avalanche,

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 2>because with avalanche, you're paying off the highest cost debt first,

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 2>so you save money over time. But the snowball method

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>with people would stick with it longer because it builds

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 2>that momentum. It's so exciting when you pay off that

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty five dollars ballance, in the one hundred dollars ballance,

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>in the two hundred dollars balance, and you start you

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 2>start embedding those habits that bring you success later with

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 2>those early wins and building momentum. And that's why people

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 2>are so obsessed. And the snowball method continues to be,

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the most popular debt payoff methods

0:32:58.320 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now it's time to boost their break with the

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>Brown Ambish family. Will you boost? Will you break? What

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 1>will you do? Many? I wish you could see me

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 1>like you. Literally, I have my arms out and I'm

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 1>like just I'm feeling it. I'm bibing. I'm good. I

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>love how the song always makes me go first. It's fine,

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:47.760
<v Speaker 1>although Tiffany would also rhyme.

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<v Speaker 2>May yeah, you know what, I never.

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<v Speaker 1>Realized that it does make you go.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready. I'm always ready, though, always ready.

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>And I'm ready. I'm ready, I'm Do you want me

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 1>to go first?

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I can go for no, no, no, I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I'm struggling because I don't know whether it's

0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 2>a boost or a break. You guys can help me decide.

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:11.720
<v Speaker 2>But I read this article about if do you use Reddit,

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Tiffany or your redditor?

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>No, not much. I mean I've heard of it.

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 2>But my husband's a huge redditor. He gets tons of

0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 2>advice on Like there's a subreddit. So it's basically like

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 2>if you have a passion or a hobby or interest,

0:34:25.000 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 2>there is a Reddit group for you. There's a personal

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 2>finance reddit, there's you know, all just just dozens hundreds

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 2>probably of different forms where you can ask questions and

0:34:33.719 --> 0:34:37.720
<v Speaker 2>you get comments. People can vote up or down your comment,

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:40.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of like you collect clout on Reddit

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:43.319
<v Speaker 2>that way. But it's this whole just people, It's just

0:34:43.480 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>it's this whole movement and my husband loves it for

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 2>home improvement questions and all kinds of stuff. But there's

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:53.280
<v Speaker 2>there's this there's this general kind of of course trend

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 2>with Reddit where most of the users, they don't do

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 2>like a census of their user base, but most of

0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the users it does feel very white, very male on Reddit.

0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 2>But there are subreddits that target or not target, but

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 2>are meant to be like groups where people of color

0:35:08.040 --> 0:35:10.279
<v Speaker 2>can talk about whatever they're interested in. So there's one

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:15.279
<v Speaker 2>group called Black People Twitter and it's basically meant to

0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 2>be a safe space for black Reddit users to talk

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.280
<v Speaker 2>about whatever's happening in the news. Whatever people are ranting

0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:22.359
<v Speaker 2>about on Twitter, but you know, what's happening in the news,

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the biggest trends, whatever. But the moderators of this forum

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>have realized that a lot of white people apparently, and

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 2>it's hard for them to tell, but they suspected that

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of white users were posing as black users

0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 2>and commenting on various topics on the black Twitter on

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the black Twitter People subreddit forum. So imagine if this

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.880
<v Speaker 2>was like a Facebook group for people of color and

0:35:44.960 --> 0:35:48.600
<v Speaker 2>you had white people contributing commentary. Okay, not really the

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.359
<v Speaker 2>intention of the group. So these moderators, you know, it's

0:35:51.360 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>an anonymous forum, people don't put their faces as their profiles.

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 2>It's not like Facebook. You're meant to be anonymous. That's

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.440
<v Speaker 2>that's part of the appeal of Reddit. So what they

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 2>decided to do is ask their users to submit a

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:07.760
<v Speaker 2>photo of their forearm with their Reddit with their Reddit

0:36:07.880 --> 0:36:12.240
<v Speaker 2>name written on their forearm, with a timestamp to verify

0:36:12.239 --> 0:36:15.680
<v Speaker 2>that it was taken recently. To verify their blackness.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, not everybody even that's not even how

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:21.840
<v Speaker 1>we like. I know plenty of light skin black folks

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 1>that you would not know that black is not just color.

0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 2>Right, So it's such a But on the other hand,

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 2>it's like I was reading it, and that's why I

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:31.919
<v Speaker 2>feel conflicted, Like I think the way they went about

0:36:31.920 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 2>it is problematic for the reason you just mentioned. I mean,

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm mixed, right, So if my forearm is I don't know,

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty pale, it's like my summer tan is gone.

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 2>I've already part where they catch you, right, I've already

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 2>had to change my foundation by two shades. I had

0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:48.720
<v Speaker 2>my winter foundation my summer foundation. So what was happening

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>is some of the users were like, well, screw it,

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be anonymous. I'm going to take

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:53.680
<v Speaker 2>a picture with all my family so you can see

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:55.919
<v Speaker 2>I have a black dad or a black cousin, dark

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 2>skinned cousin, dark skinned dad, whatever, And even though I'm

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 2>light skin, here's my family. And it's like, it's just

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.880
<v Speaker 2>it's created this. It's I think they meant well, but

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.200
<v Speaker 2>the way they executed it is super problematic. On the

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 2>other hand, I see the challenge like and and you know,

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 2>knowing Reddit and knowing what the Reddit world is, like,

0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I feel like there's there needs to be a safe

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 2>space for black Reddit users to talk about what they

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about and to comment and this, you know,

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:23.560
<v Speaker 2>but to feel like people are posing as black people

0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 2>and contributing, and they're contributing comments that are proliferating stereotypes,

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, saying things like well do we really need

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 2>affirmative action like things like that, you know, come on controls,

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 2>you know. But it's just like it's the challenge with

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Reddit because they let they let excuse me, they let

0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 2>users of these forums moderate them, and there's not really

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:49.120
<v Speaker 2>a system to to to control who can join. It's

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 2>meant to be so open when you're trying to have

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 2>a private discussion what can you do? So I just

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 2>thought it was a very interesting story. I don't really

0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.279
<v Speaker 2>know how to feel about it, but that's what I

0:37:59.280 --> 0:37:59.839
<v Speaker 2>wanted to share.

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah, I that's it is hard because how one

0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:08.600
<v Speaker 1>it's it's almost like this one drop buol, like what

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 1>does black even mean? Now? We have to you have

0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:12.719
<v Speaker 1>to figure that out. Yeah.

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 2>One of one of the leaders or one of the

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 2>users was like, well, I took a DNA test and

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:20.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm my my mom is zero point five percent Ghanian.

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:24.239
<v Speaker 2>So does that mean I can join? Like every white

0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 2>person has a little bit of black in them and

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 2>persactly you know what I mean. So that's what they're saying.

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 2>So you're right, it is it's what is that? What

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 2>is that line?

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.160
<v Speaker 1>So we had that problem a little bit with a

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 1>DreamCatcher group on Facebook because dream Catchers are largely African

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 1>American women and we don't but we don't turn anyone away,

0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 1>so we you know, we we started to get like

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.719
<v Speaker 1>white women come in and for honestly, for the most part,

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>no problem. They were respectful, and you know, sometimes they

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.400
<v Speaker 1>were come in and realize like, oh okay, there's a

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 1>lot of black women in here. Am I allowed? And

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, as long as you don't act up

0:38:55.200 --> 0:39:01.759
<v Speaker 1>a child, you could stay, and so and so. But

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 1>then we started getting started to get white men and

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:09.640
<v Speaker 1>so so we were getting First it started with black men,

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and you know, it was okay because you know, men

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>could be a lot, so you're like, all right, don't

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 1>act to up, you can stay. And then we start

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 1>to get white women, and honestly, like, we have less

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 1>trouble with white women that we have with black men.

0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 1>So and then white men came. And when I tell

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.760
<v Speaker 1>you the trouble if I see what more Trump posted,

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 1>we had to make a role, which sounds so crazy,

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:32.919
<v Speaker 1>no white men because they were coming and stirring the pot,

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>saying outrageous and egregious things, and no other no one

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 1>else was doing that. Like, yes, you definitely would get

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.239
<v Speaker 1>like some folks, like you know, I would say, as

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 1>far as a large majority, So of course you get

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:47.040
<v Speaker 1>people who sometimes can be mean or nasty or whatever.

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>But when I tell you, we would add a white

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>man unfortunately, and and it was like without fail, it

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 1>would take off. Well, maybe if you get off welfare,

0:39:56.000 --> 0:39:58.600
<v Speaker 1>you're like, why are you here? You know, like not

0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>white men in general, but just like you in particular, sir,

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:04.719
<v Speaker 1>why are you here if you're gonna spew nastiness? You know,

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 1>this is not a You're not required to be a

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 1>dream catcher. And so we had to make a rule

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:13.279
<v Speaker 1>because it started to feel unsafe, and I was trying

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:14.919
<v Speaker 1>to be fair, and I was trying to be like, well,

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, we don't turn anyone away. Well, no, we

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 1>turn away, we turn away. It sounds so terrible, and

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't care because I started dream Catchers in the

0:40:25.000 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>budget needs to create a safe space for women, especially

0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 1>women of color. And you are welcome to come unless

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.879
<v Speaker 1>you bring the bullshit, then you are not welcome to come.

0:40:37.120 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>And so that is like one group that we don't

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:40.719
<v Speaker 1>allow them in the dream Catcher for anymore, because it

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:42.640
<v Speaker 1>was too hard to keep up with the handful that

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe weren't causing trouble. And I'm like, you know what,

0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.840
<v Speaker 1>every space in the world is safe for you, every space.

0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:50.360
<v Speaker 1>It's your space. This is one of the few spaces

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:53.360
<v Speaker 1>that we get to have. And everyone else respects this space.

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 1>The black men respect the pace, space, white women respect

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the space. Everybody else was respecting the space, but except

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 1>for that subgroup. So yeah, so we made we had

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>to make that defitit of ruin. I'm sure that's going

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 1>to come back to bite me in the butt. Okay,

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:09.359
<v Speaker 1>be mad, Todd. I don't care because it's hard enough

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 1>out here to like post you know that you're struggling

0:41:12.200 --> 0:41:14.400
<v Speaker 1>financially and you're trying to figure out, like what to

0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:17.319
<v Speaker 1>do with your kids without someone coming along saying maybe

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 1>you stop having so many kids. You're like, are you

0:41:19.360 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 1>kidding me? Yeah, that's the exactly what was.

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Going on in this in this reddit. So that's a

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 2>perfect example. So you're dealing with it too. But at

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 2>least you can see the faces you know, generally with

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.319
<v Speaker 2>your users. With Reddit, it's just so difficult because the

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.319
<v Speaker 2>whole point of it is that people don't share their

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:38.879
<v Speaker 2>their identities. They're anonymous, they have weird names and weird photos.

0:41:40.480 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 2>But and I'm glad it's it's a really interesting conversation

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:45.319
<v Speaker 2>to have. And you're right, it's so hard to say

0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 2>it in the right way, but you just have to

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.720
<v Speaker 2>say it. The space is really not meant for certain people.

0:41:49.760 --> 0:41:52.520
<v Speaker 2>It's meant to be a safe space for a marginalized group,

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:56.399
<v Speaker 2>and it's and and when so of course your first

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 2>loyalty is to your audience, the people you made the

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 2>group for, and you need to make you need to

0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 2>continue to make it a safe space for them and

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:06.880
<v Speaker 2>buy And we can call it discriminating or whatever or

0:42:06.960 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 2>keeping out certain people, You're doing it with the right intention.

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:13.399
<v Speaker 2>It's not to it's not to deny people their right

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 2>to for free speech. It is to make it a

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 2>safe space and the people that you intended the group

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:20.200
<v Speaker 2>for in the first place. And I think that's what

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 2>these people are doing as well. But it's just super problematic. Yeah,

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 2>it's hard taking it.

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And it's hard because even saying it, I'm like, oh,

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 1>because somebody can make the argument for keeping black folks out, well,

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 1>this is a safe space for us, you know, And

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.680
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, so I mean, so I'm dynomians who I

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:38.880
<v Speaker 1>think I had the perfect solution, but I do know

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:40.719
<v Speaker 1>so many women came to me and like message me,

0:42:40.760 --> 0:42:43.359
<v Speaker 1>They're like, honestly, I don't feel safe here. I don't

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 1>feel like I can share like I used to. And

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's not We're not doing that, and

0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>so like I just you know, I was like, we're

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna make an execute decision whatever, and make that choice

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 1>and honestly, it's been so much better as a result,

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 1>because for the most part, everyone else polices themselves. Like

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 1>I said, we have a few playerups here and there,

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>but for the most part, everyone is kind to everyone

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:07.360
<v Speaker 1>in there. And yeah, so my well, my boost was

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna be Tyler Perry, but instead I'm going to boost

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:13.840
<v Speaker 1>my new obsession. Have you ever heard of the Terrell

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Show on YouTube?

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Manadra, no, I have doc Are you gonna educate me?

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 1>I am so. Torell is a young African American man

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 1>who does this show where it's oh, what do they

0:43:26.719 --> 0:43:29.479
<v Speaker 1>call it? I guess it's like a song association where

0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:32.760
<v Speaker 1>he sits behind this like really bright, beautiful blue screen

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>and he loves music and so he gets like these

0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:38.359
<v Speaker 1>music artists that some of you know, some of them

0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:40.480
<v Speaker 1>you don't know as well. He has broken kind of

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of new artists too, where he'll say

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 1>a word and then they have to sing sing a

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 1>song that has a word in the title or in

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 1>the song itself. And honestly, it is delightful. It is funny.

0:43:51.680 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there are some people who just can sing

0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.799
<v Speaker 1>down They're like wow. I mean there are people now

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.360
<v Speaker 1>who am following on Spotify as a result. And so

0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 1>if you need a little joy in your life, you

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>know Terrell. It's literally just t E R R e

0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:09.320
<v Speaker 1>LLL on on YouTube. And there's a there's a gentleman

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 1>named Sammot or Samo that now I'm like in love

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.399
<v Speaker 1>with his voice because I saw him on The Terrell Show.

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Cynthia or Rebo, my girl who plays Harriet in the

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:21.839
<v Speaker 1>new Harriet movie, was just recently a guest on the show. So,

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>like I said, he's had, like, you know, some well

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 1>known folks, and he's had some folks that you might know,

0:44:26.200 --> 0:44:29.959
<v Speaker 1>like Amber Riley from Gale. Oh my goodness, her voice

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.560
<v Speaker 1>is the voice of an angel, and so just happy times.

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:35.600
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think that people would enjoy enjoy his show.

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.799
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're typically about twenty twenty to thirty minutes long,

0:44:38.840 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 1>the videos, but you just really get to hear people's voice.

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:44.399
<v Speaker 1>And if you really love music, I think you'll love

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>the Terrell Show.

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 2>That seems like a fun thing to watch. I'm gon

0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 2>check it out. I love you know, I love me

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 2>some Cynthia Orribo. I can't wait for Harriet tell my movie.

0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I'm trying to think out what I'm

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>going to do special, like if I should do like

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 1>a DreamCatcher mob through because I really feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>all need to go watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, buy out a theater in Newark or something. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I wonder how much that would cross. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, no, because honestly, it just I just

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it would just I just cannot wait. It

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<v Speaker 1>looks so good and empowering. And because sometimes you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you watch some of those movies like Twelve Years of

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<v Speaker 1>Slave left me so broken, like I I can't do this.

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<v Speaker 2>My movie broke a lot of people, you know, my

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<v Speaker 2>friends and I. After that movie came out, we're like,

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<v Speaker 2>we cannot see any more slave Moviesation never saw it either.

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<v Speaker 2>But this one feels different because yes, we know she's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna make it.

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<v Speaker 1>And it feels empowering. It seems like she can't hear

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<v Speaker 1>very much like that, like she is not a victim

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<v Speaker 1>of her circumstance. She is she's heroic. She is powerful,

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<v Speaker 1>and she owns that power. And that's why I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>to see it. Because you're right, so many of the

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<v Speaker 1>slave and not and not to say that they're bad

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<v Speaker 1>because that's the reality. That's what it was like. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad I watched Twelve Years of Slave, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was I mean, I was sobbing weeping in the movie there.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wow, it was it was traumatic and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, I don't I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>hate people. So I'm just not gonna watch these movies

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<v Speaker 1>anymore because it just makes you look around and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you like this? So yeah, so yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>definitely the Harry movie. I cannot wait to see it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because she's just so dope and I just got to

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<v Speaker 1>hang out with her a little bit at Love's wedding

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<v Speaker 1>and she's just even dopeer. She's sang that saying love

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<v Speaker 1>you down the aisle, so she was the one who

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<v Speaker 1>likes Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was beautiful, beautiful yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just such great energy. And Superman was like can

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<v Speaker 1>I get a picture? And she's like, oh sure. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm all my friends. I was like, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>He took a picture with her and and eyvon Og

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<v Speaker 1>Molly from Insecure. He was so geek to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to tell his friends he meant to famous people.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't blame him. I've been like, yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 2>and of course you're probably playing it cool, but you

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<v Speaker 2>get to geek out when you're Tiffany ellye Chase, mister

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<v Speaker 2>budget stick. Can I get a picture please,