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Speaker 1: I talked about it on Undisputed that I believe that

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Speaker 1: from Burning Man. I don't know if you ever heard

426
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 1: of Burning Man. Burning Man is uh, this big celebration

427
00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: of life. It's in the desert. Ninety thousand people from

428
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: all around the world come together and they just celebrate life.

429
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: They build these big pieces of art. They have these

430
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: big concerts where these DJs come and it's forty fifty

431
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: thousand people just celebrate at one time and you meditate,

432
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 1: break up with the sun. They have sunrise ceremonies, they

433
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 1: have sunset ceremonies, and it's just a big gathering for

434
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: people to come together and just spread love and great energy.

435
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 1: So we just got back from there. But a man,

436
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: I've just been really just trying to grow spiritually, you know.

437
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: That's That's the best thing that I could possibly do,

438
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 1: is just continue to grow and continue to try to

439
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: adapt to everything that's going on around me. What about

440
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,719
Speaker 1: on the basketball front. On the basketball front, well, I've

441
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: been playing for eighteen seasons, and it seemed like after

442
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 1: this season, it's really hard for me to get a job,

443
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, which is yeah, because I'm watching media day

444
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 1: started for some team what Friday, Saturday and then going

445
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: on Sunday started today. Okay, we see these media day

446
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: everybody's talking in the media's there, and you're sitting here

447
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: doing an interview with me. What's the emotions going through

448
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: the White Howard's body? Like, damn, I should be there

449
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: if somebody's can't. I had. I had that feeling all summer,

450
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: like I really can't believe how disrespected you know, I

451
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: feel the top seventy five. It really made me feel

452
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: like I ain't even wanna play no more. To be

453
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: honest with I was like, why am I playing? I

454
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: just spent eighteen years going hard as I can for

455
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: the NBA fans, myself, these teams, these organizations, breaking records,

456
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: doing all these different things, and then I get punched

457
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: in the face like that, why am I even doing this?

458
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: This disrespectful That's how I felt, you know. So like

459
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 1: now I'm like, man, I did so much great things

460
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: this summer. I know, whatever doors I need to go through,

461
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the best. Whatever. Whatever my next, if

462
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: it's a team, if it's a new career, whatever it's

463
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: gonna be, I'm ready to walk through it. So I

464
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: would love to play more. I can still play, but

465
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: whatever happen is gonna happen as a starter of minutes.

466
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean, back up, I mean, what are you looking for?

467
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: I mean you and I talked the other night. We

468
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: were at the premier of the UH the Redeem Team

469
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: premier and you and I talked, had conversations with Brooklyn.

470
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: Have you Celtics Robert Williams is out now, he's gonna

471
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: be out eight to twelve weeks. A guy that can

472
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: come in to defend the rim playing the pick and roll.

473
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: H Brooklyn. They need a real protective They got classic,

474
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: but they got they need a real protector. I actually

475
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: talked to Brooklyn. Like I went to Brooklyn. They traded

476
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: me from Charlotte, went to Brooklyn. They told me that

477
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: they didn't wanna they didn't wanna win at that time,

478
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: so they felt they felt like they should wave me

479
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 1: because they didn't wanna win. I'm like, wow, this is crazy.

480
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: The team doesn't wanna win, right, so I get waved.

481
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: I end up getting to the Lakers and winning. So

482
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: this time around, I asked to come to Brooklyn. I

483
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: talked to them. They say they need a big that

484
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: can shoot, and I'm like, when y'all just had a

485
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: big that can shoot? So it's like, I don't know,

486
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: I don't understand it. You know. I felt like that

487
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: would have been a great pick up, a big that

488
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: could protect the rim, play good pick and roll defense, rebound,

489
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: rebound the pick and roll with KD, Kyrie and Ben Simmons.

490
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: I felt like that would have been lead thal with

491
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 1: me in it because I'm gonna get I know for sure,

492
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: KD and Kyrie are gonna get the most wilde open

493
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: shots they could possibly ever get coming off a pick

494
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: from me. So and I feel like that would have

495
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: been good. I felt like my uh presence on defense,

496
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: it's something that would have been necessary. And then you know,

497
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: just the fact that I've been in the league for

498
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: eighteen years going on nineteen, I understand basketball on a

499
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: different level. So I felt like I could have helped

500
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: that team out a lot. What about Boston. Boston's the

501
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: same way, they got a lot of young talent. I

502
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: felt like I could have been to Bill Russell in

503
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: this era. You know, with that team, you know I'm

504
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: all about defense. I understand it on a different level.

505
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: Bill Russell was one of my heroes. One of the

506
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: first books I read in high school was Russell Rules.

507
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 1: That was by Bill Russell. So I felt like me

508
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: going to the Celtics and helping them get that back,

509
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: that championship pedigree they was right there last year. I

510
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: felt like me being a VET helping out some of

511
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: those young guys, those young bids. It ain't like I'm

512
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: trying to come in and play thirty five forty five minutes,

513
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: But I can give a team twenty twenty five minutes

514
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: and give you a good twelve or fifteen points and

515
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: ten rebounds, and make sure the benches hype, make sure

516
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: everybody on the team is ready to go every day.

517
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: I can do all that. That's what I've been doing

518
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: for eighteen years. So you know, if it was an

519
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: opportunity and a team that I really wanna win, put

520
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: the White in. What about the defending champ of the Warriors.

521
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's perfect. I've been a warrior my whole life.

522
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: I started out at my school as a warrior. They

523
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: need a big I know they have Cavon Looney, and

524
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: I know they have the young boy Wiseman, but I'm

525
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: the White Howard. The Wiseman can learn so much from

526
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: me because he's headed in that direction of being the great,

527
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: a great big man, you know what I'm saying. So

528
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: I felt like, even in that situation playing with all

529
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: shooters like that Steph, the way he gets open with

530
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: me setting screens, He's gonna get more wide open play,

531
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: the same way Draymond and the picker roll me and him.

532
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: Me being able to teach Wiseman how to play defense,

533
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: how to block shots. I see him as a person

534
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: that's similar to David Robinson in his size and athletic sism.

535
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that I could really teach him.

536
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: So I mean, that's another good team as well. So

537
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: right now you're just in a holding pattern. You're hoping

538
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: you want, you want to play, I would see nineteen.

539
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: I would love to play season nineteen and go out

540
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: on top. You know what I'm saying. I would definitely

541
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: love to do that. That would be amazing and get

542
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: a parade like I deserve. I ain't never had no

543
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: parade in the NBA, even after we won the championship.

544
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: Right was in COVID, so you didn't get an opportunity

545
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: to celebrate like you wanted to celebrate. So, for the

546
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: sake of argument, if this thing, if a team doesn't call,

547
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: are you okay with not playing another down, another dribble,

548
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: another minute in the NBA? And you're ready to move

549
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: on to say something else w or whatever it is

550
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: the White Howard wants to do? Are you okay with that?

551
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: I am. I've been playing since I was three years old. Obviously,

552
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: I know that basketball one day has to end, and

553
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: there's other things that can be done. Right again, I

554
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: would love to finish my career with a parade on

555
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: a good team and ended like that instead of hour

556
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: and ended last season. But man, you know, I've been

557
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: blessed to play eighteen seasons in the NBA so far.

558
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: I went from a not for someone not being able

559
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: to when I wasn't even supposed to be here. My

560
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 1: mom lost seven kids. I won't but almost the size

561
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: of a large Fiji bottle, and I end up being

562
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: seven feet tall and making in the NBA. So I'm blessed.

563
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: Go back, you say your mom had seven she lost

564
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: seven kids. Yes, you're not the only child, are you?

565
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 1: You know what? I'm sair, But she lost seven kids

566
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 1: and I was supposed to be the eighth one to die.

567
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: But I just so happy to make it. So I

568
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: was so happy to make it an NBA and played

569
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: eighteen seasons so far, and I'm grateful whatever the universe

570
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: gives to me. You mentioned last year the season did

571
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: not go the way you anticipated. What the hell happened?

572
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: I hold you responsible, you spo. You sposed to hold

573
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: it together. You're supposed to be to glue in the

574
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: locker room. You're absolutely right, But also I needed some

575
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: minutes on the floor, right. I'm not just talking selfishly,

576
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: but I felt like I could have really helped that

577
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: team last year. And you're absolutely correct. I was supposed

578
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: to be that guy in the locker room. I just

579
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: don't think it worked out the way we all wanted

580
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: it too. I think that every team was gunning for us,

581
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: and they gave us their best shot every night, and

582
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: that uh, we didn't get a job done, and it sucked.

583
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: It have left a bad taste in my mouth all summer.

584
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: I probably spit ten million times just thinking about how

585
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: bad we lost and how much time was put into

586
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: that season and to put into every season, but just

587
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: for us to come together, and I really felt like

588
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: it was embarrassing, right, yeah, thirty three wins with y'all roster,

589
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: even though you know, like I said, you know me

590
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: jokingly saying, I wish I couldn't have played more. But

591
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: even if I didn't play, we still had who we had, right,

592
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: and we still should have been better. So you know,

593
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: I take my part in it. You know, I could

594
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: have been a lot better on whatever they needed me

595
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: to be. But and they're not in good last year,

596
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: and it really was an embarrassment, you know, some days

597
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, we don't even we shouldn't

598
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: even put on this jersey like this. Did do you

599
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: guys have a team meeting? Did you discuss, like, man,

600
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: what's going on? Did you try to hold guys accountable.

601
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: What transplanted? You got Lebron James wherever you rank him

602
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: by most estimation, he's a top five player all time.

603
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: You got Russ, who's a top who's an all in,

604
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: who's a a top seventy, who's an all in seventy

605
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: five Anniversary team player? Uh a d all though A

606
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: D was Nick, You're right, you should have been on

607
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: that team. But you guys have more than enough. Those

608
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: three guys right there, regardless of whoever else could got,

609
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't be more than thirty three games. I agree. I

610
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: just felt like some things could have been tweaked. We

611
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: could have switched some things up, but it just wasn't

612
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: meant for us to win. And it sucked. Man. I

613
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to play with Russ and Mellow and yeah

614
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: Mellows on the Anniversary team now. I couldn't wait for

615
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: it to happen again. And it's like I didn't. I

616
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: felt like we was fighting, fighting it so much. You

617
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: know how like people say you grasped a saying if

618
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: you hold it too tight, you know, you know it's

619
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: gonna fall out if you don't hold it up. It's

620
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: I feel like that's how it was like I felt

621
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: like it didn't mean enough like it should have right.

622
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: And you know, this is just my opinion. You know,

623
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: I can't speak on anybody else, but I just felt

624
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: like it should have meant more to all of us

625
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: and we could have done more. I could have done more.

626
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: So I just hate how it ended, you know, cause

627
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: it it shouldn't have been like that. But when you

628
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: look at it, the white you bring a lot of guys,

629
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: and you know, ever team, the pieces need to fit.

630
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: You brought guys in to play roles that they really

631
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: never played before. I agree that's the hardest part. You

632
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: asking Meller to play defense. Fellow, ain't no defender? Uh,

633
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: Trevor Reaser is in your seventeen eighteen gone. I mean

634
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: you're asking guys that. I just think, like for Trevor,

635
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: I think he was just put into some bad positions.

636
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: He had just came off of surgery and you put

637
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: him in playing the four? Are the five? Are you?

638
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: When you have him and Lebron in? That's not fat

639
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: of Trevor And it's really not fat of lebron right

640
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: to have him at the five like this. Yeah, it's

641
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: great because he can score in the offense is gonna run,

642
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: you know, a certain way. But then now you're asking

643
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: him to check Steven Adams or Trevor to check both

644
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: of these guys, and that Trevor is strong. He might

645
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: be scared, but he's strong and he'll fight. But come on, yea, yeah,

646
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: that ain't That ain't fair to him and coming off

647
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: an injury, right, and you want him to shoot threes

648
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: like you just gotta gotta be a little bit better,

649
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: That's all. How surprised are you that Lebron is playing

650
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: as well as he is in your nineteen, that he

651
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: had the type of season that he had, I'm not surprised.

652
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: We came in together. I see his work ethic, I

653
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: know how he works. His trainer is the best. Uh,

654
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: he's been with him from day one. So you know, Lebron,

655
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: he put in the work. He's always working. He's always

656
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: as Mike with him. He's always, you know, doing whatever

657
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: he needs to do to stay right. So I'm not

658
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: surprised at all. You know, I think you know what

659
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: he's doing. He could play to it. He just feel

660
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: like he don't want to just play no more old on.

661
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: So you think this man theoretically could play at the

662
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: level that he played that for another two three four years.

663
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: If he wanted to, I could do that, but I

664
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: need a team an opportunity. But Lebron, for sure he

665
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: could if Lebron wanted to play five more years and

666
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: he didn't tax his body like sometimes he y'all taxing

667
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: the many Lakers? You you and Laker right. I am

668
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: not the coach. My name did not say coach on

669
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: the back or neither did I call out who played

670
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: or who didn't? Well, I mean, I'm sure, Frankie V.

671
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 1: The objective was to try to play Bron somewhere between

672
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: I would say thirty and thirty three minutes. No, the

673
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: objective was to play Broun the whole season, every game,

674
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: every practice. Come on, man, you had to get burn

675
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: the man out like us. I'm not the coach. I

676
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: didn't think that Lebron should have been playing that many

677
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: minutes early anyway, only because he's been playing for nineteen seasons. Yes,

678
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: we know what you're gonna get out of Lebron. Get

679
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: everybody else into it, so when Lebron is there, we

680
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: all hot. But if you taxing Lebron, you taxing ad,

681
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: You taxing Russ Now the main three print players is tired.

682
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: Just look at how the season when those guys played

683
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: the whole first quarter and then they might rest with

684
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: one minute left or two minute left in the first quarter,

685
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: then go back in in the second quarter, play the

686
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: whole second quarter, then play the whole third quarter, not

687
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter. Because if you go back and

688
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: watch the games, how did we lose all these games

689
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: by the time the fourth We lost in the fourth quarter?

690
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: Why because a D's tired or he was he might

691
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: have been injured, because for team causes injuries. Are Lebron

692
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: is tired, so now his shots are short, or he

693
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: don't have the legs to get to the basket. Are

694
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: Russ is tired because the whole game he played two

695
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour trying to get to the basket.

696
00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: So it wasn't a balance, Like I'm not saying, if

697
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: you're gonna put Daser in the game, let's say, or

698
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: whoever put these other guys in so you could get

699
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: these guys a little break, right, so now they can

700
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,439
Speaker 1: go in and kill. But they was playing too many

701
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: minutes and they over exerted, they sell, and so I

702
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: felt like that was a big issue. For for the

703
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: team right there, Like, you don't need these guys playing

704
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: big minutes right now? This is why we became a team,

705
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: right you watch the new edition. They added Patrick Beverley,

706
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: Dennis Shrewder, came back, They got some different pieces. What

707
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: are your expectations for the Lakers this year? I don't

708
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: want to talk about the Lakers no more because I

709
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: ain't on the team. Would you be willing to go

710
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: back to the Lakers. I would have went willing to

711
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: go back to the Lakers. I've been willing to go back.

712
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: They told me every time, we're not gonna get nobody

713
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: over thirty year contract, a multiple year contract. Okay, And

714
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: so I'm like, dang, I just helped y'all win a

715
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: NBA championship. Y'all could get your boy a meal or two,

716
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 1: or get me a meal, right, I don't want a

717
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: whole bunch of minutes. Give me twenty minut it. Don't

718
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: let me ball out? Right? And you played You played

719
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: big for the White I gave you credit. You know me,

720
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: You played big for me and that championship run you

721
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: was huge. You held your own against a yoke. You

722
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: had to play, had to play big minutes. Against Yoke,

723
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: you came in, you rebounded, you played big minutes against BAM.

724
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: Against Miami, you played well. I was surprised that they

725
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: didn't give you that to bring you back, and then

726
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, then you go to Philly. You

727
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: played well in Philly, and then you come back. Why

728
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: do you think they did that? I personally think that

729
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: it came from me leaving the first time, So it

730
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: was like a hint, give you back. But I don't

731
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: want to believe that. But I don't know, to be

732
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: honest with you, I felt like I should have been there.

733
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: I felt like whatever they asked me to do, I

734
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: did it. You know. I came in, I played my

735
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: role to the tea. I didn't complain about it. I

736
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: didn't make any issues. Even last shit, the thing where

737
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: a D was blown out of proportion, and I felt

738
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: like that was wrong for the people to twist it

739
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: and turn it like it was me and them not

740
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: knowing what was really going on and how we ended

741
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: up getting that out the way. I just felt like,

742
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: oh that was it was messed up. So now it's

743
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: putting me in a position like I'm in now where

744
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: teams may feel like I don't know about the white

745
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: what I don't. I don't remember what transpirt with you

746
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: me and A D. Yeah, oh the argument you guys have. Yeah, yeah,

747
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and they don't know what

748
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: happened and all that, and it came back like it

749
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: was it was my fault, right, but you and A

750
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: D worked it out, right, man, we talked right after that, right.

751
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying it was is what it is?

752
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: Your first stant you mentioned like, okay, Kobe beat you

753
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: the first go around. Now you get an opportunity to

754
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: play with Kobe. Kobe was very very hard on you.

755
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: Well it wasn't. You don't think that was hard on you, No,

756
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 1: see hard on me. Well, I think he said that.

757
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: He's what he said. It made him appreciate playing with

758
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: Shot and with I guess he didn't really like your

759
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: work ethic. It's no way he could say he didn't

760
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: like my work ethic. There's no way. There's no way.

761
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: There's no way. There's nobody in the NBA who could

762
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: play or say something about Dwight Howard work ethic. It's

763
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: no way. My body is better now than it was

764
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: when I came into the league. Who can say anything

765
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: about my work ethic like that, tell me my body

766
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: is better than it is now. I can jump the

767
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: same way I jumped now, then I jump when I

768
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: was eighteen. Work ethic ain't nobody out worked Dwight Howard.

769
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: The back didn't rob you of anything. The back robbed

770
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: me of opportunity. I didn't have no opportunity after that

771
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,439
Speaker 1: because people were saying my back was the problem. Right,

772
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: But I came back and shoulder, I could still play.

773
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: I won a championship with a bad back. Two times

774
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: I had backs and came back and played for the

775
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: Lakers and bust ass. The first time I came back,

776
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: I averaged twenty two and thirteen or twenty two and

777
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: twelve after back surgery. Then the next time I come

778
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: back and we win the championship. So it's like people

779
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: just be saying stuff, were not really paying attention to

780
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: what they're talking about, Like when I don't If Kobe

781
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: said that, he must have been talking about in another

782
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: context because when it comes he called me soft win.

783
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: I was playing against each other, right, No, y'all was

784
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: played together. No, we was playing against each other when

785
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: he said this. Okay, were in Houston and he was

786
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: in LA with that because you had left because you

787
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: turned out contract. I did not turn out a max.

788
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: What max comes? You didn't turn out? You didn't. You

789
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: went to the You went to Houston. I went to Houston.

790
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: You didn't have a max contract offer from the Laker.

791
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: No out, No, let me tell you. Also this everyone

792
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: was saying that they put billboards all over LA. That

793
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: didn't happen either. It wasn't billboards. I'm not gonna just

794
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: say anything bad about I don't want the Lakers to

795
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: think that I'm disrespecting it. But none of that. A

796
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff wasn't happening. So there was no

797
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: contract to stay with the Lakers the first time you

798
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: with the Lakers. So you went to Houston because Houston

799
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: gave you the max. I went to Houston because I'm

800
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: looking at James Harden back then. I see that's what

801
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: I see. I see a young menace. I see somebody

802
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,479
Speaker 1: that I could grow with, because we dame there close

803
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: to the same age. Right, I'm a little bit older

804
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: than him. But this perfect That's what I'm looking at it.

805
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: And you got Chandler Parsons, he's a young guy, he

806
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: could shoot. You got Jeremy Lynn. He was playing good.

807
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: You gotta hold a younger group of people in Houston.

808
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know what, Hakim down there? People

809
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: saying I don't know how to post up, which I

810
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: used to kill in the posting Orlando, So how can't

811
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: I post up now? All of a sudden, So I'm like,

812
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: you know what, I can go to Houston and work

813
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: with Dream every day. Right. I didn't see Dream that

814
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: much when I worked out there because he was never there.

815
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: But it was somebody else who I worked with, and

816
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: I ended up having an awesome time in Houston. We

817
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 1: ended up making it to the Western Conference finals. Okay,

818
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: it wasn't nothing wrong with that. It just me and

819
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: Kobe at that time didn't work out. Me being soft.

820
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: Why didn't it work out there? Why didn't it work out?

821
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: We was both in two different points in our career,

822
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: and one me can't do it by myself. I had

823
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: back surgery and came back and bust. First of all,

824
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: I was I think I was. I think I led

825
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: the league in rebounds, I was second a third in blocks,

826
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: and everybody was saying I didn't have a I didn't

827
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: have a good season. That don't make sense, right, Kobe

828
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: to a different place now because Orlando you were the

829
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: man La Kobe, so you're not gonna get the same

830
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: opportunities in LA that you were getting in. So now

831
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 1: everybody's saying, why didn't work out with you and Kobe?

832
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, it's me Kobe, Pal, Steve Nash, all

833
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: these guys have These guys didn't even play. Steve Nash

834
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: was hurt. Kobe ended up getting hurt, so he didn't

835
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: even played. U Power was hurt a little bit, but

836
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: he he had my grains all type of stuff. We

837
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: just had a team with a whole bunch of guys

838
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: who was hurt. So I like, this year almost a

839
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: day the same thing. So again you saying it's my fault.

840
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: That ain't even cool. You just said it was my

841
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 1: fault this year, guys, Okay and I and listen, you

842
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: can ask any person who worked in that facility about

843
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: I tried my best to keep whatever whatever we could do.

844
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: I sage the whole facility as much as I could.

845
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: I was around as much as like we really tried.

846
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: I just don't think that when we got on the court,

847
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't there. It just didn't mash. But

848
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. But this whole Kobe thing, let's get

849
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: back to that. I want you to clear it up.

850
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: You saying that Kobe called me soft, Well, he said,

851
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 1: Kobe said he appreciated Shock more when he got D

852
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: White hotward, he appreciated Shock more when he got D White.

853
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: How but then he also say Shack was lazy. Yeah,

854
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: let's go back and let's yeah, let's put all these people.

855
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: Maybe Shack was lazy and I didn't work hard. Yeah,

856
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: maybe both of you were lazy. Both of us was lazy.

857
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know I could. I don't know how

858
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: he could ever say where he could say I was lazy?

859
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: Is right? Because you was coming out of back surgery.

860
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: Because the thing is when he when you went to Kobe,

861
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: you had the back surge. Donse's right right before, right

862
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: before the seas and also during that same season, after

863
00:47:56,200 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: every practice, I was the last person there, trying to

864
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: get in better shape, trying to work on my game

865
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: every day. You might ha had apartment yet, so you

866
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: might have needed place to stay where in La No

867
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: I did. Oh, the thing was all right? Remember this

868
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: that year who our coach was Okay, so it's Dan Tony,

869
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: a big man's coach coach. So now if we would

870
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: have had Phil Jackson, we probably would have had a

871
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: different type team. I'm not saying Dantoni is a bad coach,

872
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: and I don't want him to think that, but I

873
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: felt like Phil would have been perfect for me and

874
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,479
Speaker 1: Kobe at that stage in our career. Right. I think

875
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: when Kobe was trying to call me soft, he was

876
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: talking about my mentality. It's no way, I'm not big

877
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm allowing bullshit to affect me on

878
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: the court. Right, That's why you're soft. You're allowing this

879
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: shit to affect you. That's what he was saying, This

880
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: little dude, not my play, Like you allowed the man.

881
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: You're allowing the rest to get at you like this, right,

882
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: you allowed to meet it Because that game that he

883
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: did that we was up by like thirty points. Go

884
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: back and look at it. I got the rebound, the

885
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: whole everybody else was already down the floor. It's just

886
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: me and Kobe. I hit him with a boat boat,

887
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: hit him with another boat boom? Did everybody come over

888
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: there trying to break us up? And I don't like,

889
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: come on, bro, like really, But see, he knew what

890
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: he was doing. That's why he said, Yeah, you're soft. Mentally,

891
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: I just fucked you up for the rest of the

892
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: game because now what you're thinking about trying to fight

893
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: me and wrestle with me instead of saying, all right here,

894
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 1: Pat gonna go run and play, get down the court.

895
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: That's what he was talking about. I don't want to know.

896
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: Oh he a soft person? Are soft? Like? You can't

897
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: be soft? And when defensive Player of the Year three times, right,

898
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't playing the NBA like this and

899
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: the way we played back then and be soft. That's

900
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: just not who I am. But mentally he was, he

901
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: was a hundred than ten percent correct. Why am I

902
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: letting the rest? Why am I letting? Yeah? Why didn't

903
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: do that? Huh? Why do you let the ref bother you?

904
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: Because I'm watching how everybody else get calls, and I'm like, damn,

905
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: I want calls like that. You don't know you're right,

906
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: But see that's what I'm saying in my head. I'm thinking, like, bro,

907
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: this man just slapped the hell out of me. I

908
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: can't even see y'all ain't gonna call nothing. No, we're

909
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: not gonna call it. You know what I should have said,

910
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: bet all right, I'm gonna go out and finish the

911
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: next one right instead of word about it. So he

912
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: was saying mentally, I'm soft in that aspect because man,

913
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: Kobe don't had plenty of conversations before that on the phone, right,

914
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: So he ain't that? Ain't it? Are they innosimilarities between

915
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: Lebron and Kobe from the way they go about their

916
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: leadership style or the innsimilar? Different? Two different? Lebron is

917
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: not Lebron is is he gonna talk? He's boyish, He's

918
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: gonna let it be known how you feel, what do

919
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: you think? All that stuff? Kobe only gonna do that

920
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: when he gets to that point right before that, it's

921
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: something going on. The way he'd go about it is

922
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: give him the ball, and that's how he gonna show

923
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: everybody how he feels. Right, Lebron different? Lebron. Can he

924
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: know he could go score when he wants to. But

925
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like he'd be wanting to toil around

926
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: and play because I've been playing against him for so

927
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: long so last year, like I'm just watching sometimes on

928
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: the bench, I'm like, I know he's just torn around

929
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: right now, because I know he could go hard and

930
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: do this and do that. But it's like I think

931
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: that might be the difference. Like Kobe's like he gonna kill, kill, kill, kill,

932
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: kill kill. Even after they did, he goes still keep

933
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: trying to like it was, what's that movie? Uh uh,

934
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: it's some dang it Tina Turner Okay and her husband.

935
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: He said, if you die, I'm gonna kill you. Right,

936
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: That's how Kobe is. He gonna keeping he gonna keep going. Yeah.

937
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: But Lebron like he just he's a he. Lebron too nice.

938
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he too nice, but I think that

939
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: they just got a different type of killer mental like

940
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: Lebron like it's a one John Wick and the other

941
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: James Bond. Yeah, john Wick is Kobe. It's Kobe. He quiet,

942
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: like for real because John Wick don't really talk that

943
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: much at talking doing all that acting. He's just going

944
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: to kill. Because I were watching The redeem like I said,

945
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: at the Redeemed Team premier, and we see the difference.

946
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,720
Speaker 1: Kobe is like kind of like to himself. He opened

947
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: up as it. But Lebron is Lebron is like getting there.

948
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: We had his birthday celebration for Kobe, then they're like

949
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: they're really two different people, and then they always get

950
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: compared together because of their greatness on the court, right,

951
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: And I feel like people should stop comparing them because

952
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: it kind of puts like a it pissed him against it, Yeah,

953
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: and I hate it because like we should not be

954
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: putting none of them. He's great. So anybody that's doing

955
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: this against each other, like competition is one thing. When

956
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: we're playing against each other and were talking trash, that's different.

957
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: But like, nah, don't take away from his greatness to

958
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: talk about his greatness. Like Lebron is did some great

959
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: things and Kobe has done some great things too, and

960
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: let's celebrate both of their greatness because looka Lebron has

961
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: done in his eighteen years. He's accumulated the wealth of

962
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: he's a billionaire now why he's still playing, So let's

963
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: celebrate him for that. All the things that Kobe and

964
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: Jordan have paved the way for someone like for Lebron

965
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: to do, right, and now there's another one that's coming

966
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: after Lebron who's gonna do more because he's seen what

967
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: it takes to be that goat. You know what I'm saying,

968
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: only a few are called to be that goat. Everybody

969
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: else might be called to be something else. So that's

970
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: why these are the goat people. Lebron, who, I'm sorry.

971
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: You grew up in Atlanta? What was growing? And you

972
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: grew up your church kid? I think your pop father's

973
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: a minister. My dad was, No, he was a cop.

974
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: He was called my granddad was a minister. Yeah, so

975
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: even the cop granddad of minister. You in church a lot? Huh? No,

976
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: I had went to a church school school. Yeah, so

977
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: I was. I was around the church a lot. Yeah,

978
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: you could say a little bit. But what was you?

979
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: What were your upbringing? Like? Really? I stayed in a

980
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: college park, Georgia, So then where we stayed at was

981
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: really really bad. And uh, we couldn't go down the

982
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: street to the gas station. We could see the gas

983
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: station from my house, but we couldn't go down the street.

984
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: That's how crazy it was. So I just homed in

985
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: on my basketball skills. After that, I got a Magic Johnson,

986
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: a VHS tape and I plugged it in every day

987
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: and that was that's how I worked on my skills.

988
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: So I could stay away from, you know, everything else

989
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: that surrounded me, and I wanted to make sure that

990
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: I could be one of the people that could come

991
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: back and say, Yo, you could make it like this,

992
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: you can do it. And you know, that was just

993
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: my mindset. At teen years old. I wrote down my

994
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: goals to be the number one pick in the draft,

995
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: to be the top player in high school. Uh, just

996
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of goals of coming to the NBA,

997
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: and I did them. So one thing I learned real

998
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: fast growing up is a powerful power of manifestation, you know,

999
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: really believing in yourself, really writing your goals down and

1000
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: your vision. And every day, every day I put it

1001
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: above my bed and I just sit above my bed.

1002
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 1: We'll sit at the edge of my bed and watch

1003
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: it and just imagine if falls in the NBA and

1004
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: I was the first pick in the draft, and what

1005
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: would it be to come out of this area that

1006
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: I was at to to be an NBA champion And

1007
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: like all that stuff, I was thinking about it every

1008
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 1: day I went. I wanted to meet Wood Chamberlain. That

1009
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: was my favorite player. When did you start growing? Were

1010
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: you a normal size kid? I was a little I

1011
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: wasn't big at all till I was about five nine,

1012
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: five ten, and I broke my leg growing up to

1013
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: dunk on somebody. I was just learning how to dunk.

1014
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: I went to go try to dunk, and dude kind

1015
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: of blocked it and I fell. When I hit the ground,

1016
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: my leg just you had that little ball surgery now

1017
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 1: and then when they saw your ball to make you taller. Now,

1018
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: I had the same thing that Paul George had. So

1019
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: his growth plate broke. A growth plate they had pop,

1020
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: so they put it back in. They put two screws in.

1021
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,919
Speaker 1: And while I was in my cast, I went from

1022
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: five eight to five eleven to six to eleven? What yeah, crazy?

1023
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: How you growing foot? Man? I don't know, man, it

1024
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: was I guess it was me going to church. We

1025
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,720
Speaker 1: were till when I was in the church, I literally

1026
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: I promised you man, like God, I ain't gonna do nothing,

1027
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: no more pleasing. And so I was literally man. People

1028
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: would see me in church every Sunday and be like, yo,

1029
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: like you wasn't here? Did? My clothes were shrinking? It

1030
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: was crazy. I went from five eight to five eleven

1031
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 1: to six to eleven in a year. In a year.

1032
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: By the time I ended my ninth my ninth grade year,

1033
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: I was six to eleven. I was the tallest person

1034
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: on my team. Did you think he would gonna grow

1035
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: some more? You're like, man, I might be seven two

1036
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: seven three. I was thinking I was gonna grow some

1037
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: more because my knees hurt so bad, like it, I

1038
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: don't know what it was. It was just like pain

1039
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: in my knees every time I moved, walked, whatever I did,

1040
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: it was just pain. So yeah, and then the doctor

1041
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: was telling me take some vitamin uh uh D capsules

1042
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: and C capsules and stuff for all. I was like, man,

1043
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: this is crazy. Did you always want to go straight

1044
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: from high school to the NBA? Did? That was always

1045
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: my goal? That was always my plan. So college wasn't

1046
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: even you didn't you didn't you want in college? I mean,

1047
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: North Carolina can Chucky, dude. Then wasn't even your radar.

1048
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: I did not want to go to college. I felt

1049
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: like it was gonna be waste of my time in

1050
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 1: the waste of the school's time. And teammates they're like,

1051
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: I ain't wanna just go from one year and then league.

1052
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: So I wanted to go to the league out of

1053
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: high school. I wanted to be like KG. It's one

1054
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: of my favorite players all time. I wanted number twelve

1055
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: because I wanted to be the reverse of twenty one.

1056
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: So I wanted to come out of high school. That

1057
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: was my dream fulfill that. So if I ask you

1058
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: who was your Mount Rushmore players to go straight from

1059
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: high school to the NBA, you got cobe Lebron, KG, myself.

1060
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: You only get four. Now you keep naming you only

1061
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: got four and by Rushmore. Okay, that's it. Damn t

1062
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: mac ain't make it, mar starting mind make it. Sorry.

1063
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: Cob Lebron knows the play. They gotta go on there

1064
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: there and then shoot me and uh kg, I gotta

1065
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: put my favorite player on there. You're right, you're right,

1066
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: you're right looking at your your Gatorade National Player of

1067
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: the Year, your name Smith, prep Player of the Year ward,

1068
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: your co MVP with J R. Smith, and the McDonald's

1069
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: All American game, one of the thirty five greatest all

1070
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: McDonald's All American. You go to that game and you're

1071
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 1: looking around like, okay, did you know you had to

1072
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: put it down in that game? Like because people say, man,

1073
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: I went this little private school, little class say school,

1074
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: little a school, daggs. I think before they before out

1075
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 1: that game, they already knew who I was, so that

1076
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: game was just like a solidified statement game, and then

1077
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: me and JR just took off. Jr. I was throwing

1078
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: crazy lobs, shooting all type of threes, and I was

1079
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: trying to go dunk everything and block everything, and it

1080
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: just ended up working out great for both of us

1081
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: because we both wanted to go to the league and

1082
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: that was kind of like our our measuring stick, Like, yo,

1083
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: we can do this and then get better and better

1084
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: and better every day from practicing. It's the need for

1085
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: us to go to college. Right eighteen years old, you're

1086
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: a multi millionaire. What's going through your mind? Like, damn, man,

1087
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: there's more money. I ever thought I was gonna have

1088
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: it one particular time. And what was the first thing

1089
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: you bought? First thing I bought was I got my

1090
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: mom a house and I got me a laptop, which

1091
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: is dumb after I go back and look at it, like,

1092
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: why did I get a laptop? You like, out of

1093
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: all things to first buy, I bought myself a laptop.

1094
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: But I really just think I did it because my

1095
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: dad was like, the white you need to save your money.

1096
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, Dad, I just got some money. Let me

1097
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: buy something. And I bought a laptop stupid, like I

1098
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 1: ain't on a car first on no jewelry. I bought

1099
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: a laptop and it was one of them small mini laptops.

1100
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: Like I was stupid, stupid, like was not thinking. So

1101
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: you bought your mama house Not in College Park. No,

1102
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: I bought her a house in Fabrin, Georgia. Okay. So

1103
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: they sport they well, they have that house there, but

1104
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: they live on my farm. I have a farm in Georgia, okay,

1105
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: in North Georgia, okay, and they live out there. You

1106
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: got familis on there? I do you got some Texas

1107
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: long horns? I have a couple of the real big

1108
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: black angers, okay. And then I have some donkeys, chickens,

1109
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: ducks halls. So you got a farm farm? Yeah? How

1110
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: many long horns you got? Oh man, I just had

1111
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: about six new births. Okay, so spat about total right now?

1112
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: Pably about seventy five different types of cattle. Okay. I

1113
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: got one black angles, red angles Charlotte, and Mama don't

1114
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: don't have a Bramah bull, no Brahma bulls yet? What

1115
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: about red angles? Her? No, I just got in the

1116
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: long horns. You've got all long horns and black angers.

1117
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: I got a couple of cats, any beet cattle, yes, okay,

1118
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: got a couple. But because that's what your angles is for,

1119
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: I want to I want to do more just because

1120
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: of the season. It's like my dad takes care of

1121
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: certain things. But now it's like, man, I got some

1122
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: really good ideas for the farm. Oh, I'm actually starting.

1123
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,000
Speaker 1: I have a garden at my house too, So I garden.

1124
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 1: I have squash, I have water mill, and I have pears.

1125
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 1: I have apples. I have bell peppers in Georgia. Yeah,

1126
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: how did you grow apples in Georgia? I got everything.

1127
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: I got figs, I got blueberries. You got a farm farm?

1128
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: It's no, it's my garden at my house. And I

1129
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 1: have a rose garden with like twelve different types of flowers. Right, So,

1130
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: so you got chickens too, I got chickens. When I

1131
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: get back where assually about to start the plant for

1132
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: the fall, for turnips and collars and all that stuff.

1133
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: You sell that stuff when you just eat it. This year,

1134
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be selling it and I'm gonna be eating

1135
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: it and using it for my diet with my kids. Okay,

1136
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Ah, so you you live in a

1137
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: whole list that you from the earth you're eating. Yeah,

1138
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: what I really want to do is trying to really

1139
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: teach people that. You know, a lot of people ask

1140
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: me how to keep my shelf myself in shape. Right,

1141
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: So that's one thing. But also I want my kids

1142
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: to be self sufficient, learn how to live and eat

1143
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: off the land. Right. We don't know the state of

1144
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: what America is gonna be in seeing, so I feel

1145
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: like we all need to learn how to grow our

1146
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: own food. We don't know what they're putting in these foods.

1147
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: They're making three D chicken, right, people, we're eating fake food.

1148
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: So like we need to start eating the right food

1149
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: so our kids can grow and we can actually feel love. Again,

1150
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: it's food that we eat. It's all process, So it's

1151
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: not you know, when your mama cook food, you great.

1152
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: You know the person that you love the most they

1153
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: make that good food. You could feel it. You know,

1154
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,439
Speaker 1: we need that. I'm looking at you in the land though,

1155
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: and you're the first player to come directly out of

1156
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: high school and play all eighty two games. You're the

1157
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: youngest person in the NBA history of the average of

1158
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,320
Speaker 1: double double in the regular season. You're the youngest player

1159
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: to average ten rebounds in the season, the young person

1160
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: the youngest person evercored twenty rebounds in the game, the

1161
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: youngest person to do twenty more points together twenty rebounds

1162
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: in the game. All NBA Rookie First Team Youngest for

1163
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: one Rookie of the Year. Yeah, you feel you got robbed. Yes,

1164
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: But he had a great year. I hain't on front.

1165
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: He had an awesome year. He really set the tone

1166
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: and for me after that were like I used to

1167
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: want to destroy a mecca over for Yeah, And it

1168
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: was only because he said something like kind of disrespectful

1169
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: to me one time in the elevator, what do you say?

1170
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: And it was that All Star weekend and I think

1171
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 1: everybody's about to go party or whatever. It was just

1172
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: getting back going up the hotel elevator to go to

1173
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: the rooms, and I was like, yeah, I'm about to

1174
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: just go back and chill. It was like all years

1175
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: about to get your bob and it just go reading.

1176
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,919
Speaker 1: And so I took that as like him like making

1177
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: a little joke about me, because I because I'm a Christian, right,

1178
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: So I was like all every time I played him

1179
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: twenty twenty? Would that would that All Star game in Denver? Yes? No,

1180
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: this was where was this? That? This? And that one

1181
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: might have been in Denver? Or in Louisia, uh, New Orleans. Yeah,

1182
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: it was one of them. And when he said that,

1183
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: it like triggered me. After that, I was like, I'm

1184
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: gonna give him twenty rebounds and twenty points every time

1185
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: we played them. And I did it. You did that, yeah,

1186
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: cause you feel that because not only that, but he

1187
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 1: had he felt he got you got your war two

1188
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: hunh that rookie of the year that I didn't even

1189
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: care about that no more. After he said that, I

1190
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 1: was like, for the rest of my career, I'm gonna

1191
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: try to give him twenty and twenty just for disrespecting

1192
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: me like that. Well, you mentioned that you didn't buy

1193
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: anything of significance. I think the greatest thing you did

1194
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 1: you brought your mama house, my mom and dadd a house.

1195
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: But you said you didn't buy anything. Now, you're known

1196
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: for your cars. I was after that and when it

1197
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: got crazy on my cars, yeah, but I do got

1198
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: a crazy car now. So so you started out, was

1199
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: the first car that you bought yourself? First car bought myself.

1200
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: Had to bend the rolls. Damn, you ain't even get

1201
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: no starter car. You ain't get no BMW, no no Mercedes,

1202
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: no Raine Rover. How you start with that? I mean,

1203
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: so when you get the roles, where you go from there?

1204
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: A space ship? The Mayback, I had fold made backs.

1205
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: How about the four Yes, Mayback was sending me madebacks

1206
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you guys, but they were sending me madebacks,

1207
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about these madebacks. Was fired. They sending

1208
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: in made backs with like this big air condition in

1209
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: the middle or you can just press a button and

1210
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: it's just seeing fresh air throughout the whole thing with

1211
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: yea like some type of paper read that come out

1212
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 1: the land alone with the back where you can open

1213
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: up the back. Yeah, like like like uh dj cally yes,

1214
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: But now I got a it's called the bribe at

1215
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: six by six and so it's that's the wagon. It's

1216
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: the big one. Yeah, yes, that elevated like yeah, yeah,

1217
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: wheels on the back. Oh yeah that one. And I

1218
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: got that from Dubai. That one was this is my

1219
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: last car purchase one point two and after that, I

1220
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: was like that's it. So how many cars is in

1221
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: the fleet. Now I have that car and I have

1222
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: the color, and then I have the other rolls Roys.

1223
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: I got two bikes in the van. But that's it.

1224
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 1: Eight eight e. I got a truck. You one guy,

1225
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: You need eight cars. I got five kids. They ain't

1226
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 1: able to drive. Yeah, you ain't got no kids. They

1227
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 1: got d van in the truck and the other truck.

1228
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: And then you do realize when they get old enough

1229
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 1: to drive, they not gonna want that. Why not? How

1230
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: old are your oldest kid right now? Fourteen? Okay, so

1231
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: they don't want no truck. No, not that true. I'm

1232
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: not saying they're not gonna want a truck. They're not

1233
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: gonna go truck. That's cool. But what I'm trying to

1234
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: value you of old truck so they can have this

1235
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: old truck. You ain't got no old schools. No, I

1236
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: had an old school man, my dad. He blew the

1237
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 1: truck up man trying to drive it. He tried to

1238
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: drive it every day, like every day truck. He trying

1239
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: to drive it fast and then set it down and

1240
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: it just blew up. The only thing left was the

1241
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: dog on door handler. Come on, tripping man, fox tripping

1242
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: want my car back Orlando. Obviously you were big. You

1243
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: go to Orlando, you know, the comparison's gonna stop gonna. Yeah.

1244
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: I liked it, you know, I felt like he was

1245
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: the most dominant player. And every day I put on

1246
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: my jersey, I said, I'm gonna dominate, dominade, dominade, dominate,

1247
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: and shoot. I wanted to whatever Shack did. If that

1248
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,959
Speaker 1: was dunking on everybody, I wanted to dunk on everybody.

1249
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: But he took offense to it like I was trying

1250
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: to disrespect him, And I'm like, bro, why you're the

1251
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: most dominant player that ever played basketball? Here? Did you

1252
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: have conference that you? Did you have a conference that

1253
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: you and Shacks that I have had a conversation with him,

1254
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: but not about that because I didn't think that he

1255
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: really felt a certain way about me until like I

1256
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: start seeing more and more interviews. Right, Oh, he's not

1257
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. I don't think he should have Vince,

1258
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 1: he should have bad. I'm like, day, Shack got a

1259
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: problem with me. So I don't know what it is

1260
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: or why he got an issue with me. But did

1261
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: he think because you adopted the Superman moniker? How did

1262
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: I adopt it from who I mean, it's not his,

1263
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. And the first Superman was Kurt Ramms.

1264
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: If you really want to get technical, Kurt Ravers was

1265
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: a Superman before Shocks. So did we both get it

1266
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: from him? Right? Or did we get it from Clark kick? Right? Like?

1267
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: Is it really that serious? It's a nickname, right, And

1268
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 1: I got the nickname Superman from Soldier Boy because he

1269
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 1: had a someone called Superman. And uh, it was a

1270
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 1: couple of things that happened in practice. When I was

1271
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: in Orlando. I used to live crazy weights, right, So

1272
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 1: how much could you ben my highest? Bitch something? Four? Yeah,

1273
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: four thirty something something, yeah something. I was in Orlando,

1274
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: and you didn't be dad basketball on the web on

1275
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: like two pounds, right, That's what my free throws was

1276
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: like that. Now your free throws was like that. It

1277
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 1: was because the bitch freens. I'm telling you, I was

1278
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: bitch pressing so much, man, for real, That's why I

1279
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: stopped because I literally was, yeah, your shoulders, your shoulders,

1280
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: I mean I couldn't. I couldn't shoot the ball, right,

1281
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: I was like this, It's all like, man, let me

1282
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: chill out and do some yoga and get right right.

1283
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: I used to bitch over four hundred some pounds and

1284
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: that's all I did that going to gym, bench press,

1285
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 1: do uh leg curves, uh squats, biceps. Yeah, I know

1286
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: you were That's all I did at first, and then

1287
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: once I learned how to train, Like after I had

1288
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: my back surgery, I have a doctor uh in uh

1289
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:20,719
Speaker 1: Atlanta's name is doctor Clayton Gibson. Change my my whole

1290
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: life from the inside out. How I how I thought,

1291
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: the food I ate, you know what I put in

1292
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: my body to drink everything. This guy was just like

1293
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,680
Speaker 1: a god seeing you know what I'm saying. So I

1294
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: was just glad I was able to meet him and

1295
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 1: he was the one who actually got me. Right after

1296
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: I had my back surgery to come back to the Lakers,

1297
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 1: I lost thirty pounds in thirty days. Are you vegan?

1298
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: I mean, do you eat me? No? I'm not vegan, okay,

1299
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: but I might have to go vegan because I found

1300
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: out that some of the U were the strongest tribe

1301
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: or the strongest people on earth, were vegan. So I'm like,

1302
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: and let me try it. I want to try it out.

1303
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 1: What were they vegan by choice? Yeah, because they might

1304
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: have not had the opporunity to getting no meat. No,

1305
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: they did, but they just knew. Like for example, gorillas,

1306
01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: they don't eat no meat and they're the strongest. You

1307
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: gonna eat forty pounds of grass. Let's go, people be

1308
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: killing me that basically. Yeah, that ain't mean that you

1309
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: ain't grass. But I'm just saying elephant, he only eat

1310
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: but what he eat and as strong as the looking

1311
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: leaves and people. But they got vegetables and fruit and

1312
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Eat that meat, the white you grew

1313
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 1: up eating meat, Look at it. Do you know what

1314
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: happened once once you the meat that you eat? Do

1315
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: you know what happened when they kill these animals? That

1316
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: stress from those animals. Yeah, it's getting transferred to you.

1317
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: That's why we have all these mental issues that we're

1318
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: having in our country right now, because the foods that

1319
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 1: we eat, even all the process stuff, that stuff sends off.

1320
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: What happened when you when you plug when you plug

1321
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:14,760
Speaker 1: that vest about the vine, nothing happened. It ain't stressed, No,

1322
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: because where's it coming from? Like an apple? What is

1323
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: the appolong? He's on a tree? What else he's gonna

1324
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: be growing? And then stop it from don't get right?

1325
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: So what you you know, you're about the farm and

1326
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: all that. I'll see. The good thing is if you're

1327
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: eating food from farm to table, then yes, I could

1328
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 1: understand and meat like that. But if we're getting it

1329
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: from the three D source, if we're getting it from Google, right,

1330
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: and you eat what you're about to eat it from

1331
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: three D, you about to eat it from the from

1332
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: from farm to table, right, That's correct. So I would

1333
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 1: do that, That's what I'm saying. I would do that,

1334
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: but not just going out every day and getting you know,

1335
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: crazy types of pork and all that stuff. How special

1336
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: could you? And h T Mac and Grant Hill? Oh

1337
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: my god man, And I was trying to it really

1338
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: hurt me that tea. Max said that he didn't want

1339
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: to play with nobody from high school. And I'm like,

1340
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: didn't you say you came from high school? Yeah, you're

1341
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: not going to play with somebody from high school. It's

1342
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: so much stuff I could have learned from just you know,

1343
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: learn from him and then Grant Hill. But I just

1344
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: felt like, and I could understand it now that I'm older,

1345
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:23,880
Speaker 1: you want to play with an older person because of

1346
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: the minds right, And I'm like, broh, Now I could

1347
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: play with a younger guy because I could show him

1348
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: the right type of mindset to have. Because I didn't

1349
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,600
Speaker 1: experienced it from the top to the bottom. I know

1350
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 1: what it takes to get to the top, and I

1351
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 1: know what happens if you at the bottom, and then

1352
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: what you gotta do to stay in the league. You

1353
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I don't mind playing with

1354
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: a younger guy on the team because I believe I

1355
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: could help him. I think that a lot of those

1356
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: guys back then did not have patience to want to

1357
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: be with a younger guy. And I get it because

1358
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,600
Speaker 1: after the season you don't and you put it in

1359
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: all this work. You're like, man, why did I just

1360
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: do all this for it? Like why? But you know

1361
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: it's it's a learning process. So I just, you know,

1362
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: looking back on the novel to be a lot better

1363
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 1: now when you look back. You guys, Nike had built

1364
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: this big promo. It was the muppets Lebron and Kobe. Yeah,

1365
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 1: you ruined it. I ain't ruined. You did ruined it.

1366
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: I got my own puppet right at home, right at

1367
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: my dogs of this stuff. But I still got a

1368
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: puppet at the house, and I'm glad I'll ruin it,

1369
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: cause that one ain't right. They pissed our whole team off,

1370
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,679
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we went out there. We showed Lebrun

1371
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: in the calves that held all the puppet gotta go

1372
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 1: for real, because I'm like, how y'all gonna have a

1373
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:48,799
Speaker 1: whole Nike commercial about Lebron and Kobe in the finals

1374
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: and they ain't even in the finals yet, And we

1375
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:56,719
Speaker 1: took so much. We took that, did we? We wanted

1376
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: to destroy Lebrun in the in the calves because of that.

1377
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't wait to see Anderson barratge. I wanted to

1378
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: rip his hair off. I wanted to kill it. Got

1379
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: easks his name was you dropped forty and fourteen? Telling

1380
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: you I couldnt wait to get on the floor. Then

1381
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: I tried to break the goal in Cleveland. That's why

1382
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: the shot clock came down. I wanted to was Ben

1383
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: Wallace on that team that year? I think it might

1384
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: have been every big man they had because they want

1385
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna get my own puppet. I brought

1386
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 1: my own puppet to our gym, and I had my

1387
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: own puppet that practice I don't want to do. It's

1388
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: like that that was I was I was kind and

1389
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: you wanted to see that. That's messed up. You're from

1390
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: Georgia and you wanted to see two people that ain't

1391
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: even close to Georgia play in the finals. When you

1392
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 1: I want to see I mean you sometimes you want

1393
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: to see. I mean, can you imagine Can I see

1394
01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: a bird and magic? Can you imagine not seeing federal adult?

1395
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:55,879
Speaker 1: I mean something. You just gotta see the white and Kobe?

1396
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: What what is it talking about? That's paid part you,

1397
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: that's paid for. You wanted to watch me and Kobe

1398
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: scrap bad y'all that you went out there bad y'all got.

1399
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 1: But that's only because I'm gonna give you. Let me

1400
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 1: tell you what happened. What happened Kobe, Bryant, Lamar Oldham, Yeah,

1401
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 1: Derry Fisher, Pall Gasol and Andrew buying them and Phil Jackson,

1402
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: they had experience that we didn't have. They knew what

1403
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 1: it took, they knew they knew what to do at

1404
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 1: all the right moments in the game. And for us,

1405
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: I felt like at that time we were so young

1406
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 1: and inexperienced that we didn't know how to handle the moment, right,

1407
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:50,679
Speaker 1: because mind you just the finals. You got this big

1408
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: the big trophy on the court, big air trophy, you

1409
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 1: got all these fans. We're the only team playing in

1410
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: the world besides the Lakers. So it's like it's all

1411
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: new for us, right. They knew how to handle that

1412
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: whole situation. We had just got up in it. So

1413
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: for us, we all excited. And then I think a

1414
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: couple plays kept us out from winning that lay up

1415
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: with Cordy Leaders. Yeah yeah, yeah, Algasol goaltended. If you

1416
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: go back and look, I think he gold tended it right.

1417
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: That play right there cost us might have cost us

1418
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,040
Speaker 1: a serious I believe we would have won that game.

1419
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,680
Speaker 1: We would have won a serious if that was game one,

1420
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, right, a game two, Game two,

1421
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: I think game two. But you know what, Kobe him

1422
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 1: did it. Man, Derek Fisher hit that three to put

1423
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: the dagger in. But man, after that game, I sit

1424
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: down and watched him celebrate, and I was like, Man,

1425
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:48,799
Speaker 1: if I get back to the Finals, I'm we're not losing.

1426
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure I do whatever I can to

1427
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: where our team is no doubt that we're gonna win, right.

1428
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: I had Lamar ol him on my podcast and he

1429
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 1: say he knew they would be you guys when he

1430
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: saw you joking in the court. Do you think people

1431
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: took your personality because you you you are a fun loving,

1432
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,759
Speaker 1: you're an outgoing guy, and til your personality and held

1433
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:13,160
Speaker 1: that against you. Yeah, because you're the same guy that

1434
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: was joking up and down the court when you won

1435
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 1: three defensive players the year. So it don't make no sense,

1436
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 1: but but I get it. That's again, like I said,

1437
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: there's these older guys and the perception that they've had,

1438
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: people's perception kicking him become every everyone's reality. Right. So

1439
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 1: they see that I'm laughing, having a good time, and

1440
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 1: in their mind, they probably thinking he ain't really focused

1441
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: on basketball. He thinking about everything else. But in turn,

1442
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: when I'm training and practicing, that's when I'm not laughing

1443
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 1: and smiling because I'm really locked in on getting better

1444
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: the court. When I'm out there in front of the fans,

1445
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 1: that's the showtime. That's when I'm out there at my greatest.

1446
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,879
Speaker 1: I'm having a good time. I'm a dunk, block shots

1447
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: and have a good time. Why am I out there mad?

1448
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm an m M A fighter. That's not who

1449
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: I am. I can't go out there and be that

1450
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 1: way and im and it's crazy that I've had to

1451
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: and I still have to express that to people, Like

1452
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 1: what I I that's this is just who I am.

1453
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: Do you think you're a good leader? Do I think

1454
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm a good leader. I think I'm a better leader

1455
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:23,920
Speaker 1: now than I've been in the past. I think that

1456
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:25,600
Speaker 1: there are some things that I could have worked on,

1457
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: But I also think that I at those times I

1458
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: didn't have the proper guidance to be able to lead.

1459
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 1: But I think I'm a I'm a good leader. Did

1460
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: you ever have problems connecting with your teammates? Did you

1461
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 1: ever have problems with your teammates? Uh? I don't think

1462
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: I really had a lot of problems with my teammates

1463
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 1: like people said that I did. But knowing Orlando, we

1464
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: were very close knit in Houston the same thing, we

1465
01:21:55,400 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: was very close knit. We didn't White y'all close knit.

1466
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: Why do you and James Harden fault out? Did y'all

1467
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 1: fall out? I don't think man and James was close, Okay, uh,

1468
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened. Can you want because

1469
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: pick it rolled me and James harding to pick it roll,

1470
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: He'll bucket get a pick it roll, stepping down to me.

1471
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to figure that out too. Since I

1472
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: left Houston, why is he acted like this? Because I

1473
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: left La gold play with him? So it wasn't like,

1474
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: so how soon did you notice a shift or a

1475
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: change in his attitude towards you? I would kind of say,

1476
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: like in our second season together, and I was just like, dang'

1477
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: like I feel like we're competing against each other when

1478
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: we should be. Did you talk? Did you have a

1479
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,599
Speaker 1: conversation with him? I didn't. That's what that was. That

1480
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: was my fault. That was my fault. And I actually

1481
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 1: I had a conversation, but it was kind of too late,

1482
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 1: and I could have been I could have been better

1483
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: at talking than him, but I chose to go around

1484
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: him and we talked to other people, which now the

1485
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: message coming from other people, yeah, it's gonna get lost

1486
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,639
Speaker 1: in translation. So I could have been better that For one,

1487
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 1: it's been the older guy and knowing better, right, And

1488
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: two just if really want to win, really squashing that better,

1489
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I didn't know how

1490
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 1: to at the time, because I didn't really know how

1491
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 1: to talk to him like that when it seemed like

1492
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: it had gotten to that point where when we first

1493
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 1: got there it was cool, but then after you know,

1494
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: it got to that point, it's just like, dang, how

1495
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,720
Speaker 1: do we not even not even talking? No more like

1496
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: we decided to come down here together, like I wanted

1497
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: to come see us when championships and us grow. But

1498
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: you know it didn't happen that way. So I'll put

1499
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: that on me, right, I'll put that part on me.

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01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: Where would you rank yourself as an all time great

1501
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: defensive big man? As an all time I'm great defensive

1502
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: big man? Yeah, I gotta be top three? Name three

1503
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: better besides probably Bill Russell. I got three defensive player

1504
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the years, I mean yeah, I mean,

1505
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 1: if you just look at the war, you you like

1506
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: your defensive probits better than a La Juan How many

1507
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: he got? He got one? Okay, David Robinson how many

1508
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: he got? Well, if that's the case, so Ben Wallace,

1509
01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: Ben Wallace got folded, the Kim Big got four, so

1510
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: they got more? We right there? No, No, you said

1511
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: top three I got? I named I name guys they got,

1512
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: all right, you're right, you're right, all right, all right,

1513
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 1: So I like Dream, Okay, Dream. I think he's top,

1514
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: and so I would go with me Dream and probably uh,

1515
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman, you left Being Russell up. All right. Please

1516
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: nobody think I'm saying Bill Russell Kate played defense. I

1517
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: just believe that with the error that we have. I

1518
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. I like Bill Russell too,

1519
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 1: but he not in that group because he Bill Russell. Okay,

1520
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: he by himself. Okay, you say you have a fourteen

1521
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,320
Speaker 1: year old son. How many kids do you have? Now? Five?

1522
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: You have five kids, old is fourteen, oldest fourteen, the

1523
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: youngest is eighty. Had five baby mamas. One of them

1524
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 1: passed away right before the bubble. Uh so my youngest

1525
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: son has been living with me since then. And ever

1526
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,519
Speaker 1: since I've been in the league and had kids. You know,

1527
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 1: people have always tried to find a way to make

1528
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: it seem like I not a good father and I

1529
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: don't take care of my kids and all that stuff.

1530
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 1: And that that's one of the things too that I

1531
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: back then that I should have addressed and talked about.

1532
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: But I just like, why my kids know I love them?

1533
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: And that's all that matters. But it just sucks that

1534
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: people would be so caught up in somebody's life life

1535
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: like that, that they would sit up there and make

1536
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 1: up lives and make and pass judgments on situations that

1537
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: they have no clue on. How difficult is it to

1538
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 1: be professional athlete and to be a single parent as

1539
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 1: hard as ill having to travel all the time and

1540
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: leave my son, you know what I'm saying. And when

1541
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 1: his mom died, he was six, so that's a very

1542
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 1: critical age. Yeah, really didn't he really didn't understand, you know,

1543
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: because when she first passed away, he's he's saying to me,

1544
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 1: they dad, my mom died, but they took her to

1545
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 1: the hospital. She's gonna be back. So in his mind

1546
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,519
Speaker 1: he's thinking, and I understand it, she's coming back, because

1547
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 1: that's what when you go to the hospital, you're gonna

1548
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 1: come back. They go, they gonna help you. So I'm like, man,

1549
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: how do I even express this to him and tell

1550
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 1: him that? So it took me a while to really

1551
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:11,680
Speaker 1: like get him to have a better understanding. Yeah, And

1552
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,519
Speaker 1: and it just made our relationships so much better, you know.

1553
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:20,040
Speaker 1: And now it's just like that time that we've had together.

1554
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,719
Speaker 1: It's really bunded us to a point where the other kids,

1555
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 1: my other kids is like, man, like Dad, we we

1556
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: need we want you to like please cauld we live

1557
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: with you. Like it's it's just amazing to see if

1558
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: my kids are getting a lot older now, so just

1559
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: the different personalities and me being able to talk to

1560
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 1: them about my experiences and uh, it's just so different.

1561
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: It's just so different. I'm glad that, you know, even

1562
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 1: though I have five children, I had to experience them

1563
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 1: and having different moms. I'm glad I have these kids

1564
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 1: because it's the best thing in the world. Man. So

1565
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 1: it's a blessing to be able to have children and

1566
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:08,280
Speaker 1: the person analyzies that they have all of them. My

1567
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 1: daughters are really just starting to get into volleyball, okay,

1568
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 1: and like you, they tall. My daughter is eleven and

1569
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 1: twelve and they at my shoulders and I'm seven feet Wow,

1570
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,679
Speaker 1: that's tall. And my son is eight and he's right

1571
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 1: here in my in the middle of my chest. So

1572
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: it's like, my kids love sports, but they can do

1573
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 1: it all. I feel like I almost got like the

1574
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard version of the Jackson five. So like I've

1575
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: been really coming up with some ideas of like what

1576
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: I can do to see them really really be successful

1577
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: in life. And I want to really help them with that.

1578
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to to really doing that. Have

1579
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,679
Speaker 1: you thought about, well, you know what if I don't

1580
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: play basketball, if last year year eighteen was my final year,

1581
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 1: have you thought about the transition to maybe coaching your kids?

1582
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 1: Obviously you have more time to spend with the kids,

1583
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 1: and have you thought about that? Yes? I would. I

1584
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 1: love that being able to coach them and being able

1585
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 1: to really like pull that greatness out of them. You know,

1586
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: I believe that every person on earth has greatness inside

1587
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 1: of them. Right, we have that energy built up. It

1588
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 1: just would need someone to call help us call on

1589
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 1: that greatness, help us pull that greatness out. And with

1590
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,960
Speaker 1: my kids, I can see it. I see what it.

1591
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,760
Speaker 1: I know what it would take because I had to

1592
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 1: go through the ringer to get to where I am today. Right,

1593
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 1: So they have a perfect example of what to do

1594
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 1: and what not to do because I've experienced so much

1595
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: in the league where they know they can do this

1596
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: and be successful and do this and not be successful.

1597
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 1: And I've had the opportunity to in a blessing to

1598
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: experience it been having even the bad things I've experienced,

1599
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,200
Speaker 1: Like you just alluded to somebody coming out and making

1600
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 1: a statement and saying, I'm like this, or you know

1601
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 1: my situation when my kids moms, you know all these things?

1602
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 1: Or could could you hate that like one of your

1603
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: kids mom? It became so public and you wish you

1604
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: had that situation. Look, we we we we we can

1605
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 1: handle this. One's in the bed with us. Yeah, it

1606
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: was just me and you. Why why are you putting

1607
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:35,600
Speaker 1: all these other people in our situation? Because they're not

1608
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: gonna ever understand it. They're not gonna see from the father,

1609
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: they're not going to see the mother's point of view,

1610
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: they're not going to see the child's point of view

1611
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 1: unless they've experienced it, right, And the people that experienced it,

1612
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,080
Speaker 1: they gonna tell you the same thing that I'm telling you.

1613
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: Don't let the people out in the public into your

1614
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: private business because they will ruin you. And they were

1615
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:00,560
Speaker 1: ruining the kid's minds, right, And I don't think sometimes

1616
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 1: people really understand that until it's a situation and they

1617
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 1: have to experience it for themselves, and now they're like,

1618
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:09,720
Speaker 1: I wish I never did this, I should have did

1619
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 1: it this way. But then it's okay, now we know,

1620
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: let's keep this private. Let's keep this between me and

1621
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 1: me and you, because our son, our daughter is the

1622
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 1: most precious in this moment. Let's not forget what what

1623
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: we're actually our purpose is. So yeah, it just takes

1624
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 1: a lot of times with the kids, moms. They haven't

1625
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 1: experienced nothing like this before. Bil with an NBA player,

1626
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: dealing with the fame, the fortune or whatever that whatever

1627
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: may come with being a sports figure. Yeah, they never

1628
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: dealt with that, you know what I'm saying. So obviously

1629
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: for on a woman's side, on a woman's standpoint, they

1630
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 1: dealing with, you know, being they could feel rejected, they

1631
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 1: could you know, feel like the people online are talking

1632
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: about them, so they they're hurt about this, and now

1633
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 1: they want to you know, hurt, people might want to

1634
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 1: hurt somebody else. It's just so much going on, and

1635
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: it's like, yo's keep it private, man. You don't you

1636
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 1: don't want all these people in your business because they

1637
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 1: really don't care. Yes, And that's the thing that a

1638
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 1: lot of people don't really get until they actually get

1639
01:32:14,040 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: into the situation and see, these people don't care. No,

1640
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: they don't. They only they only doing this because they

1641
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: want that gospel. They want to have something to talk about. Yeah, yeah,

1642
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: the white I really appreciate you're stopping by and give

1643
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: me a couple of minutes of your time. Yet, if

1644
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: this is if last year was your last season, congratulations

1645
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 1: on eighteen great years. Thank you so much. You're gonna

1646
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame in five years from

1647
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:39,440
Speaker 1: when you do hang it up. So congratulations on unbelievable.

1648
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 1: One George boy to another, Yes, sir, down South Georgia boy.

1649
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 1: Maybe all my life and grinding all my life, sack fights,

1650
01:32:50,439 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 1: hustle back rice one slice, one got the sad all

1651
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding all my life, all my life,

1652
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 1: and grinding all my life and out second pice, tustle,

1653
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 1: bade the price and want a slice, got the broiler,

1654
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 1: dice to swap all my life. I've been running all

1655
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,599
Speaker 1: my life.