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Speaker 5: YouTube exclusive of our response to the Draymond Green Klay

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Speaker 5: Thompson interview, which we get we got early. One of

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Speaker 5: the perks of having the same producer as Draymond as

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Speaker 5: we being at the Volume, we did get to see

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Speaker 5: the interview a little early, and I think all three

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Speaker 5: of us thought it was it was it was. I

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Speaker 5: think it doubled the amount of words I've heard Klay

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Speaker 5: Thompson say his entire career is I think where I'm start.

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Speaker 5: I don't think we've ever heard Clay talk this much

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Speaker 5: or watch him kind of sit through thinking of an

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Speaker 5: answer and then actually really expound on something. So that

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Speaker 5: was my number one takeaway was, Oh, this is more

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Speaker 5: of Clay Thompson than we've ever got.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I never thought Clay was like a

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Speaker 4: shy bashlorude. I just thought he's a dude who just

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Speaker 4: you know, speaks when needed, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: I don't think's a guy who's at a loss for words.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it was.

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Speaker 4: It was definitely some good insight into Clay's character, some

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Speaker 4: good insight into kind of you know, the team dynamics

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Speaker 4: as well, you know, the locker room dynamics of Golden State.

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Speaker 4: You know a few things there that kind of surprised me.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, we'll for sure get into that. But it's

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Speaker 4: a really really good interview.

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Speaker 1: He would shinned. I thought he would be.

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Speaker 2: I thought he might be a little I thought he

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Speaker 2: was more comfortable playing basketball than in front of the

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Speaker 2: camera speaking, you know what I mean. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean it seemed like he was super comfortable. I mean,

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Speaker 2: probably because he's with Dre, somebody he spent what twelve

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Speaker 2: years playing basketball with, But yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot of good insights to him. You know,

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Speaker 1: it may be a bigger fan of you know than

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Speaker 1: what already was.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 6: I never thought Clay was shot.

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Speaker 4: The first moment where I knew this dude was different

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Speaker 4: was after that twenty fifteen championship when during media week

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Speaker 4: was up there eating some sunflower seasons. Like then they

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Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I was like, this dude is different,

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Speaker 6: Like I was like, Bro, I like this dude.

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Speaker 5: I think one thing I would say, And he mentioned

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Speaker 5: a he's a baseball player, bro, Like he's the but

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Speaker 5: But like he's a baseball player, Bro, He's just like

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Speaker 5: you say, he's he has one mode. He does not

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Speaker 5: get real high, he does not get real low. I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna eat thecs and talk shit, you know whatever else

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Speaker 5: I thought the most this most standout moment.

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Speaker 5: And y'all tell me if you agree and then I

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Speaker 5: I think Draymond went off script and just clearly they

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Speaker 5: I thought that was first of all, I thought drey

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Speaker 3: Know that I have to ask this question. But how

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Speaker 1: Respond to that moment?

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Speaker 5: And what did you think we learned about either one

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Speaker 4: I thought that that conversation led into a good discussion

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Speaker 4: on what exactly leadership is, because, you know, Clay mentioned

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Speaker 4: how without Dre you know, Craig basically mentioned that you know,

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Speaker 4: Steph leads by example, but you are our vocal leader,

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Speaker 4: right like you are the one who kind of gets

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Speaker 4: who's who's getting in these young young guys ears and

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Speaker 4: you know, when you're not there, we lose a big

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Speaker 4: I think and I think that Clay was using some

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Speaker 4: drap that probably was like, yeah, you know, because Drake

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Speaker 4: like the connotation there was Claig was like, I probably

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Speaker 4: should have lien to your ass a few times, you know,

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Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it was like I said it was a

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Speaker 4: really interesting conversation where I thought that, you know, the

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Speaker 7: What I thought was interesting was how they I mean,

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Speaker 7: how important he is on the corporate We see that

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Speaker 7: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: But Dre is the coach. Dre is a quarterback on

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Speaker 2: I'm saying. But I didn't think about what it would

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, and practice talking to the young guys.

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Speaker 2: You feel me having him away, like you know, building

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Speaker 2: I thought that was really insightful and interesting. But also

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Speaker 2: I thought it was it was beautiful to see like,

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Speaker 2: Steph phil the bottom, like those are his guys.

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Speaker 1: These aren't These aren't just bad, These aren't just teammates.

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Speaker 2: These are people who he cares how they think about

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Speaker 3: You feel me, And it.

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Speaker 2: Kind of spoke to that and asked in the like

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Speaker 1: And then also you could see how.

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Speaker 2: He was truly like, you know, it seemed like he

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Speaker 2: I mean he has to know important he has been

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Speaker 1: He's a future Hall of Famer, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: But to hear the guys that you care the most

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Speaker 5: many hours have we spent watching the Warriors on television?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: But this was a completely different look at that big

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Speaker 5: But also there were certain comments Drey made that Clay

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Speaker 5: And I you know, like I love the comment when

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Speaker 1: He doesn't have to.

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Speaker 5: of like, my legacy's already set.

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Speaker 3: I won X.

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Speaker 5: Number of championships with these two all time greats. I

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Speaker 2: Where he had drives his boat to work every day.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, I've earned the right to enjoy this

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Speaker 2: brol I thought I thought that part was really relatable.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like he had that moment where he said when

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Speaker 4: He's like, you know, I'm just kind of soaking all

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Speaker 6: Who can you know, have a shot at a championship.

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Speaker 4: seems like he has a real good balance on this shit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I also think he might be the odd man out.

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Speaker 3: I just really got this.

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Speaker 5: I got this sense from him, Tyler, tell me if

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Speaker 5: because once you put that out there, the team goes cool,

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Speaker 5: So that he just don't want him to say that,

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Speaker 3: Tyler, did you agree, right?

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what I took from it because like I said,

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Speaker 4: He's someone who's fully aware of his talent level and

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to have delusions of wanting

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Speaker 2: I think also what was interested too is him talking

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Speaker 3: Business philosophy, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's really interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: I thought that was really dope when I'm breaking that down, Like,

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Speaker 3: In terms of those connections and stuff. For sure, I

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Speaker 5: Tyler just referenced the conversations Clay said he had with

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Speaker 5: And I guarantee you part of what Steve curR is

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Speaker 5: I was surprised that they opened up by giving so

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 4: The discussion they had on Mark Jackson when they were

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Speaker 6: I was.

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Speaker 4: I was not one of the people who wanted them out,

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Speaker 4: and we're gonna not that shit down right. So yeah,

439
00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,560
Speaker 4: that was interesting to me because, like I said, I

440
00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,800
Speaker 4: knew that that they a lot of them thought that

441
00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,679
Speaker 4: Mark Jackson out of Royal deal. They thought Mark Jackson

442
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,119
Speaker 4: was their guy. We knew that Steve Curry had to

443
00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,560
Speaker 4: kind of fight that uphill battle from that perspective, but

444
00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,440
Speaker 4: I did not know that he had to win them

445
00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,080
Speaker 4: over on the court with the schemes in the Exis

446
00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:16,840
Speaker 4: and olt. So that was a revealer for me.

447
00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I've seen them show love to Mark Jackson.

448
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean we don't.

449
00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,000
Speaker 2: The Masters as a whole don't talk about Mark Jackson

450
00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,440
Speaker 2: as much, you feel me, But you know, like I've

451
00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,760
Speaker 2: always seen them show love to Mark Jackson. I do

452
00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,919
Speaker 2: think they bring you up like really interesting points, like

453
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Speaker 2: he might not get you to the Promised Land, you

454
00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,600
Speaker 2: feel me, but like you know, he'd be good for

455
00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,080
Speaker 2: a lot of these young teams that would need somebody

456
00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,159
Speaker 2: to put the type of confidence he put in. You

457
00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,880
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Stephen Clay earlier in their careers,

458
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Speaker 2: You feel me, But yeah, I do wanted to have

459
00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,200
Speaker 2: the same question, like why hasn't somebody given that man

460
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Speaker 2: a shot, being that they saw he laid the foundation

461
00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,520
Speaker 2: for probably the greatest team of all time. But yeah,

462
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Speaker 2: I mean I was to hear that they you know,

463
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,800
Speaker 2: were with with with with with uh when.

464
00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,240
Speaker 3: Kurt came in. How they were, you know, not comfortable

465
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Speaker 3: with the offense.

466
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Speaker 2: You know, like Tyler said, it seemed like it was

467
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Speaker 2: something that they, oh, yeah, we needed this.

468
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Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying.

469
00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,080
Speaker 2: But I can understand it going from you know, hey,

470
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Speaker 2: go get a bucket or being Hoopers to being a

471
00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,080
Speaker 2: basketball team. You know what I mean, There's there's gonna

472
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,639
Speaker 2: be a little bit of a transition when it's like

473
00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,919
Speaker 2: I can just go down here and pull this motherfucker.

474
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

475
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Speaker 2: You talk about transition, threes and ship which is something

476
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Speaker 2: I still can't get used to. I saw one last

477
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,320
Speaker 2: night where I was like, why are you doing this unless.

478
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Speaker 3: You're one of the fucking le's You're play or Steph.

479
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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, the fuck all that shit,

480
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,679
Speaker 2: But yeah, I can see how there could be a

481
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Speaker 2: transition from going from just hey, go get a bucket

482
00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,440
Speaker 2: to hey, we gotta play basketball?

483
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Speaker 3: You feel me?

484
00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,399
Speaker 6: Yeah.

485
00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 5: I also appreciated the window into like we always talked

486
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Speaker 5: about obviously pro athletes, and especially the highest level of

487
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,399
Speaker 5: pro athletes, like these guys are so different from regular people,

488
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,719
Speaker 5: but they still have regular people soft spots on their brains,

489
00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 5: Like they're still regul in the ways that you wouldn't

490
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 5: necessarily expect them to be. You can see how much,

491
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 5: and we know this obviously with the Warriors, you can

492
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,360
Speaker 5: see how much public narratives bother them. You can see

493
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 5: how much, like like Clay talked about, like I used

494
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Speaker 5: to be on Twitter all the time, and you know

495
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 5: not anymore. Like I'm always fascinated by that because I

496
00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 5: think we all have an idea, or we had an

497
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,439
Speaker 5: idea as kids, that if we could reach some level

498
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 5: that we would be like covered in armor, you know

499
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 5: what I mean, that it would be like cool. And

500
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 5: in fact, it's like these guys did it. I thought

501
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 5: they did a pretty good job of revealing what so

502
00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 5: many athletes like Tomato Rows and others who've talked about this,

503
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,639
Speaker 5: it's the opposite. You're just as sensitive and driven, but

504
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,160
Speaker 5: now there's ten million people who know who you are

505
00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 5: and have opinions about you. You know what I'm saying, like,

506
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Speaker 5: which I think to all of the three of us,

507
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Speaker 5: it's like it sounds it sounds a little bit like

508
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Speaker 5: a nightmare, you know. So it's but I think that's

509
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Speaker 5: part of that bond that they've talked about with the

510
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Speaker 5: three of them, that's like they all went through this

511
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Speaker 5: experience together. The Kevin Durant wrinkle, which I don't think

512
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 5: his name was mentioned once in the whole interview, that's

513
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 5: a whole that in the history of basketball, that's a

514
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,919
Speaker 5: whole different wrinkle. But in the history of humanity, you

515
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 5: have these three dudes who've been through this incredibly unique

516
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 5: experience together clearly have a bond between the three of

517
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 5: them that like no one else really would fully understand

518
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 5: or be able to speak on. And I just found

519
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 5: that humanizing part of it interesting and to me, even

520
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Speaker 5: though I don't love all of the effects of like

521
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 5: star athletes taking over media, that's the upside of it

522
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 5: is seeing that human side of what they're going through.

523
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Speaker 5: Seeing Draymond be emotional and nervous about asking his friend like,

524
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Speaker 5: are you mad at me? Well, you know, when I

525
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 5: get is suspended. So I just love that humanizing side

526
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 5: of them. And I appreciated that they took the interview.

527
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 5: Raymond's a good interviewer, bro like a great job of

528
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 5: getting that out of both of them, you know.

529
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One thing I thought was interesting too, was like, you know,

531
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Speaker 2: and and it makes me understand why they, you know,

532
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 2: are so effective by how people talk about them. You know,

533
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: like when you saw Clay talk about the injuries, he shuddered,

534
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: he had a physical reaction, he looked uncomfortable. We've been

535
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 2: speaking about the time and you know, when people are

536
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 2: talking about the injuries, we're just talking about him like

537
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: they're just injuries, you.

538
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

539
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 2: When there's a guy on our end, Yeah, yeah, you

540
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,640
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, you know, yeah, you feel

541
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: me like there's a guy on the other end whose

542
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 2: entire world, you know what I'm saying, like who, like.

543
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Speaker 6: You know who?

544
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 3: Gravity has pulled them towards that their.

545
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Speaker 2: Entire life for the most part, isn't being able to

546
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 2: play plays after you know, like I said, for five

547
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: seasons of playing it, you know, playing it all the

548
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 2: way to the finals is not able to play the

549
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 2: game for two years?

550
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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

551
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: I mean, like I see the seeing him like shake

552
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Speaker 2: his head and like like even thinking about that, what's

553
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 2: eye opening for me? So yeah, man, so I can

554
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 2: see why they feel the way they feel so strongly

555
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: about you know, how people talk about them. But yeah,

556
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 2: like I feel like also when you know, thinking we

557
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: get to a point where can be like fuck it,

558
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck what you think.

559
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 3: I'm me, you know what I'm saying. But like we

560
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 3: we didn't we didn't understand.

561
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 2: Like the levels it can go to as far as

562
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: like can we could comprehend having the world, you know,

563
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 2: you know, speaking about us in the way ways that

564
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: you know these guys are being spoken about.

565
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Speaker 3: So yeah, man, I mean even like dog like shit,

566
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: I'm like, fuck the Warriors, d you know what I'm saying.

567
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 2: In two thousand and sixty, twenty and seventeen and shit, when

568
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: we talked about how many games we watched, I probably

569
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 2: have watched just as many Warriors games as bron if

570
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: not more.

571
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Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying, so, like, what is that defined? Yes,

572
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: think I'm more of a fan and a hater.

573
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 2: But on Twitter, I'm talking about shit but but but Steph,

574
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: but Steph hit a hit a forty foot of the

575
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Speaker 2: beat Kadi, who is my second favorite player at the time.

576
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Speaker 8: And I'm running around in my damn living room. You

577
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 8: feel me so like, yeah, I mean like, yeah, I could.

578
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Speaker 8: I mean, I get it, man, I get it. Yeah.

579
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Speaker 8: Last question for me. You know, the end of on

580
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Speaker 8: a discussion of NBA families.

581
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I think kind of correctly narrowed down

582
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 5: to the Thompsons and the and the Holidays. H Clay

583
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 5: goes with the family pride answer. I understand that they

584
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 5: got the rings. You know, they have some stylistic differences,

585
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 5: but I gotta go with the holidays.

586
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: How do you How do y'all feel about it?

587
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I'm Clay Clay and and and

588
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 4: Mikyle with that inside out game.

589
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 6: Bro, they might be a problem.

590
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: Man.

591
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 6: I don't know, Bro, I don't know.

592
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: Man.

593
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 3: I don't have an opinion. You want me to know,

594
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 3: I know, I don't.

595
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Speaker 5: I'm just surprised because I feel like the Holidays are

596
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 5: so much more your style of you know what I mean,

597
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 5: Like when you talk about things you value in basketball,

598
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 5: that's those kind of hoopers. And even when you saw

599
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 5: him ask the question, Drew was excited to say, yeah,

600
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 5: like line that ship up, like let me run Like, well,

601
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 5: I'll run ones and will do a team tournament.

602
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. I love both players a lot.

603
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

604
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 6: I don't know.

605
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 3: I don't the way Clay just when Clay gets hot,

606
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: hot hot, hot hot hot.

607
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: There is literally no human that's ever existed that can

608
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 2: do anything with them.

609
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: You feel me.

610
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: And so like if he's what how many was he

611
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,159
Speaker 2: thirty one in a was it thirty one?

612
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 3: Twenty six in a quarter?

613
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: What was it? How many these.

614
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 6: Quarters in this quarter?

615
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 3: Seven?

616
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, the seventh quarter?

617
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah thirty? That play show up. Good luck to anybody, brother.

618
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 5: I also appreciate nobody else in the court has that level.

619
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Speaker 6: You know what I'm taking touch and get that close

620
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Speaker 6: to the sun.

621
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Speaker 1: You feel me.

622
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 5: I also appreciate them taking a little shot at Steve

623
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 5: Kerr with the you know, if you would have let

624
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 5: me really shoot in the game where I had fourteen threes,

625
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 5: he said, He's like the record book should have the as.

626
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

627
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, but but but I feel I feel like I

628
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 4: feel like the right answer for what family would win,

629
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: it's it's Michael Jordan and Edwards that too, right there.

630
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 6: That's the answer, bro.

631
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: Bro. When I went to the game last night, there

632
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 2: was an old dude sitting in front of me, right

633
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: and Ant had a moment where he like, you know,

634
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 2: he used a little footwork, you know, hit'll fade away

635
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 2: off the glass, and me and the old nigga looked

636
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 2: at each other like.

637
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 6: We've seen that before.

638
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: Brother, was real scary, you know what I'm saying.

639
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 6: We were there in nineteen ninety seven.

640
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: We walk with each other, and we root for the

641
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: Lakers obviously, right we bolled them, take our hair like shit.

642
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 3: Some people just nice. They bigger than rooting against nigga,

643
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

644
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna see that and not root for that.

645
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 3: You feel what I'm saying, Well, that'll be.

646
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 5: That'll be Draymond's interview with Aunt Edwards and Michael Jordan

647
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 5: on a very special episode of the show in twenty

648
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 5: thirty seven. But anyway, thanks everyone for listening.

649
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