1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on MARM. So what normalish takes. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: For when the news gets weird and it's always weird, 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 2: And in the absence of my dear friend Carol Marchael West, 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: who is actually going to enjoy per trip and vacation, 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 2: I have called in a ringer my friend Matt Whitlock. 6 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: He has been with the National Republican Senatorial Committee, a 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: couple of Senate offices, longtime Republican communicator and strategists, and 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: host of the Ten Minute Drill podcast, which is exactly 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 2: what it sounds like. If you want your information in 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: ten minutes, you go get it from Matt Whitlock. How 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: are you doing, Matt. 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 3: Great to be with you. This is very exciting, huge 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 3: fan of the show. I will do my best to 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 3: fill in, but my takes will not be quite as saucy. 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 3: I don't have the accent you know of Carol, but 16 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: I will do my best. Sometimes when she gets really heated, 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 3: she gets like extra accenting. I really like that, So 18 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 3: I'm going to do my best here. 19 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: This is trying to p this is your first hot take, 20 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: because Carol will tell you she doesn't have an accent. 21 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: Well, I think we can roll the tape. Luckily that 22 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 3: lots of record of her talking, and we can now. 23 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: It's like me, I don't have an accent either. 24 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 4: I don't know what. 25 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: There you go, Okay, So let us start today with 26 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: the New York Times reporting on the autopsy that Democrats 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: are doing on the twenty twenty four election. Now, for 28 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: those who are not super political junkies and maybe don't know, 29 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: this term and autopsy is basically what it sounds like, 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: which is there's a dead campaign that lost and you 31 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: have to look back at its mistakes and examine what 32 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: killed it. 33 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 4: Is what it sounds like, right, Yeah. 34 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: The Republicans most famously did this in twenty twelve after 35 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: Mitt Romney lost to Barack Obama, and then also famously, 36 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: Trump tossed out every conclusion from that autopsy and did 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: the exact opposite, and. 38 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: Here we are with him in his second term. 39 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 4: It seemed to work out. 40 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows, man. 41 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: So they're an imperfect analysis, but they're a way for 42 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: parties to get their heads around this what's going on 43 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: with the one for twenty twenty four. 44 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 4: I love this story. I love the genre. 45 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 3: I love the idea, idea of trying to pick apart 46 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 3: what went wrong. But in this case, I think a 47 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 3: lot of us who watched this election play out would argue, 48 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: and autopsy is not really necessary. 49 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 4: We know a lot of went wrong, but if you're gonna. 50 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 3: Do an autopsy, you can't cut out the biggest reason, 51 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: or what the New York Times called the actual cause 52 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 3: of death, which was Joe Biden trying to stand too 53 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: long and then handing it over too late to Kamala Harris. Personally, 54 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 3: I would argue that the biggest problem for them was 55 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: that Kamala Harris is probably the worst candidate in modern 56 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 3: history that's led a ticket, but the Biden part of 57 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: it is unavoided, and so to cut him out of 58 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 3: there kind of defangs the entire thing, like what are 59 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 3: you even doing that? 60 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: Well, as I joked, it's like Democrats never missed an 61 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: opportunity to miss the point, and in this case, they're like, 62 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: you know what the problem. 63 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: Was the pack? The pack didn't coordinate properly. 64 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: Let's forget that, like coordinating is not actually what it's 65 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 2: allowed to do, or sure, and look, the pack Future 66 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 2: Forward spent five hundred and sixty million dollars and got 67 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: very little it right. In the way of electoral victories. 68 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: So there's a critique to be made, but I think 69 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: we're absolutely missing the larger issue. And as you note, 70 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 2: the larger issue is part Biden. 71 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: It's also the other. 72 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: Thing they don't want to wrestle with, which is that 73 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: they signaled throughout the campaign that they're completely out of 74 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: touch with Americans and what they care about, and they 75 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: cannot figure out how to reconcile that. 76 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 3: When that's so much of these autopsies have come back 77 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 3: to what could we say slightly differently? How could we 78 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: message slightly differently? What podcast could we go on that 79 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: could have won this for us? What different message could 80 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: we have put on the spear in Las Vegas for 81 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: the most expensive aut of all time that could have 82 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,839 Speaker 3: shifted this for us? When the bottom line is their 83 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 3: message was bad. Their messenger was terrible, but their entire 84 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: message was just atrocious on every issue. They were in 85 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: the narrow twenty percent of the country who wanted something 86 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: radical and absurd, while President Trump had every opportunity to 87 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 3: just crip walk through the eighty percent issues one after another. 88 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 4: The idea Donald Trump criplocking. 89 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: Is something yeah, I thought about until I just said 90 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: that we will. 91 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: See it in my lifetime. I have no doubt. 92 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, I think you're correct that. You know when 93 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: they say like she could have she should have gone 94 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: on Rogan at this time for this many minutes, and 95 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: it's like you had no message and you had no messenger. 96 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: You can't end up on Rogan with no message and 97 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: no messenger because you got three hours to fill and 98 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: Donald Zacher, as you know, can fill it. 99 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: And as Dana Prino always says, you didn't have a 100 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 3: you know, calms problem, you had a substance problem. And 101 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: you can't dress up the lack of a message or 102 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 3: a terrible messenger, and when you know eighty million people 103 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: over it just doesn't work. And that's what they kept 104 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,040 Speaker 3: running headlong into. 105 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: Well. 106 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 2: I think when the even the New York Times is 107 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: reporting quote party officials described the draft document as focusing 108 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: on the twenty twenty four election as a whole, but 109 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: not on the presidential campaign, which is something like eating 110 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 2: at a steakhouse and then reviewing the salad like, ooh, 111 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: you're not in a great place. 112 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: When you've lost the New York Times, you know things 113 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 3: are not going well for you. But I think they're 114 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: exactly right about that. You're missing the forest for the trees, 115 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: you're missing the steak for the salad, all those different 116 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: analogies to come to the fact that they're going to 117 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 3: spend a lot of money on this, just like they 118 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: spent that twenty million dollars to try and understand how 119 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: to communicate with men based on their syntax, and the 120 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: best they got out of it was, let's put up 121 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 3: David Hogg and these effeminate influencers a little bit. 122 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a hack for that. Don't hate dudes. 123 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: That's that's the hack for talking to men. It should 124 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: posts No, it shouldn't, Okay. So that's the more traditional 125 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: type of autopsy. The parties go through a lot after 126 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: they lose. You and I have been through these cycles. 127 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: There's some venting, there's some bargaining, there's some anger, and 128 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: I think we saw all of that in an interview 129 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 2: that Hunter Biden has now given to a YouTube personality 130 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: named Andrew Callahan, and he does a sort of spoofy 131 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: interview show called Channel five and Hunter Biden showed up 132 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: on this show and he has a lot to say. 133 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: So here is Biden teeing off to. 134 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: This YouTube host and just a content warning for the parents, 135 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: if you got the kiddies around, or if you just 136 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 2: don't want to hear it. There's a lot of bleeping 137 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: going on in this conversation. Just play his clip running 138 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: through the enemies of the Biden camp. 139 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 5: Fuck him, fuck him, fuck him and everybody around him. 140 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 5: I don't have to be fucking nice. Number one. I 141 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 5: agree with Quentin Tarantino. Fucking George Clooney is not a 142 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 5: fucking actor. He is a fucking like. I don't know 143 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 5: what he is. He's a brand. 144 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: Fuck you. 145 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 5: What do you have to do with fucking anything? Why 146 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 5: do I have to listen to you? We meet and 147 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 5: James Carville, who hasn't run a race in forty fucking years, 148 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 5: and David Axelrod, who had one success in his political life, 149 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 5: and that was Barack Obama. And that was because of 150 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 5: Barack Obama, not because of fucking David Axelrod and David 151 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 5: Pluff and all of these guys in the Podsave America, 152 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 5: guys who were junior fucking speech writers in you know, 153 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 5: on Barack Obama's Senate staff, who've been dining out on 154 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 5: the relationship with him for years, making millions of dollars, 155 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 5: The Anita Dunns of the world, who's made forty fifty 156 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 5: million dollars off the Democratic Party. 157 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: They're all going to insert their. 158 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 5: Judgment over a man who has figured out, on like 159 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 5: anybody else, how to get elected to the United States 160 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 5: Senate over seven times and how to garner more votes 161 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 5: than any president that has ever won. What influence does 162 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 5: Jake Tapper have over anything? He has the smallest audience 163 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 5: on cable news and beyond that. I think that the 164 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 5: book is right now on Amazon that he put out. 165 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 5: I mean, his ratings just went as shit after he 166 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 5: put the book out, and you know, they did a 167 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 5: two week infomercial for it. I mean it was such 168 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 5: a money grab. 169 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: All right, Matt, there's Hunter. It sounds like he has 170 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 2: some stuff that he's working out still. 171 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: I don't want to sound insensitive, but I think there's 172 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: a chance Hunter might be off the wagon that was wild, 173 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 3: so he's got some access to grind. As I listen 174 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: to this, there's parts of it where I'm like, yeah, 175 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 3: get him, get him, and then there's parts that I'm like, man, 176 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: he does not sound good. But I think the biggest 177 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: takeaway from here is the Biden family is not happy 178 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 3: with the way they were treated, which isn't a surprise. 179 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 3: We've seen that in stories, mentioned a lot over the 180 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 3: last six months that they thought he got a raw deal. 181 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: He was mistreated, but man alive. So I mean, I 182 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: hope Republicans will find a way to pay for some 183 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: kind of Hunter Biden media tour, because I think if 184 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: there was one lesson from a Democrat autopsy, it would 185 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: be you need to move on and never talk about 186 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 3: this again. And Hunter is not going to let that happen. 187 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: No, this is the thing that occurred to me as well. 188 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: And from a communications standpoint, this party is desperately trying 189 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: to coalesce around a message. It's desperately trying to find 190 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: a new leader. It's desperately trying to move on from 191 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: this really, really bad thing they did to Americans and 192 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 2: to voters and lied to them throughout. And every time 193 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: it seems like they might get closer to it, Joe 194 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: Biden pops up with a New York Times interview and 195 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: that was bad enough. 196 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: And now you have this. 197 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: Ooh Hyer coming through the wall like the kool Aid man. 198 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: Amazing stuff. 199 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: I'm going to add another clip just so you can 200 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 2: really get the Senate of this interview, and they're seated. 201 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: It's very Hunter Biden. Actually they're seed in this beautiful like. 202 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: Outdoor area with a little picket fence and the sun 203 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: is shining. He's just like awesome f bombs, Like it's 204 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 2: a perfect encapsulation of the Biden family. Actually here he 205 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: is talking about illegal immigration once again with the content 206 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: warning well for. 207 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 5: Someone and Michael like all these Democrats say you have 208 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 5: to talk about and realize that people are really upset 209 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 5: about illegal immigration. Fuck you, how do you think your 210 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 5: hotel room gets cleaned? How do you think you got 211 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 5: food on your fucking table? Who do you think washes 212 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 5: your dishes? Who do you think does your fucking garden? 213 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 5: Who do you think is here by the fucking sheer, 214 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 5: fucking just grit and will that they've figured out a 215 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 5: way to get here because they thought that they could 216 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 5: give theirselves in their family a better chance. And he's 217 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 5: somehow convinced all of us that these people are the 218 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 5: fucking criminals. 219 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: I think it's strange and frequent argument for Democrats that 220 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: they're like, these are the people who do all my 221 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 2: work for me, and we can't lose them because I'm 222 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: paying them under the table. 223 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: I think Hunter. 224 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: Almost like references the garden around him when he's talking 225 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: about the gardeners. 226 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: Not a good look. 227 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 3: You can almost imagine like a Gavin Newsomer Karen Bass 228 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 3: like off camera being like, hey, cut it out, man, 229 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 3: that's not helpful to us. 230 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 4: That's not helpful. 231 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: Having the former president's incredibly corrupt drug addicted son, who 232 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: has mysterious amounts of money through various foreign money laundering, 233 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: arguing that we need more illegal immigrants to serve him 234 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: is not going to be Democrats' best case on this fight. 235 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 3: And I just it's easy to see why for four 236 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: years we almost never saw a Hunter. He is just 237 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 3: a nail and a hammer, and at this entire interview 238 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: is must watch content, in part because like this window 239 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 3: into what Joe Biden's been hearing. There's one reason they 240 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 3: so mad at Jake Tapper is Jake Tapper described Hunter 241 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: as the de facto chief of staff. Now look at 242 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 3: Hunter losing his mind and consider that's the person in 243 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: Joe Biden's ear for the last year of his presidency. 244 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 4: That's pretty crazy. 245 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: It is pretty crazy. 246 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: He was attending state dinners, he was there the whole time. 247 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: We don't know exactly the influence. I would imagine if 248 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: we watched that whole interview, which I will be doing, 249 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: there might be some tinbits in there that might teach 250 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: us a little bit about how much influence he had. Anyway, 251 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: that's how they're working that out. We will be back 252 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 2: on normally in a minute with more on the Vibe. 253 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: Shift, which we always like to cover here. 254 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 2: All right, we are back with the Vibe Shift and 255 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: with my friend Matt Witlock, but we always like to 256 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,119 Speaker 2: cover on this show the cultural vibe shift in twenty 257 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: twenty five, which has come off of the election year 258 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: and really seems to be flexing. 259 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 1: At this point. So let's talk about comedy. 260 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: Let's start with Stephen Colbert, who lost his gig as 261 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: a late night host. I've put comedy in quotes late 262 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 2: night comedy show hosts. Yes, his job won't end until 263 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: the end of the season next year, so I believe 264 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: it's like May twenty twenty six before he's off the air. 265 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: But he announced it to get ahead of the story. 266 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: And now there's all Stirm and Draang and much much 267 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: outcry about this from the left that apparently just believes 268 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 2: that lefties who want to live their dreams in media 269 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: should have everyone else's money all the time to do 270 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: so exactly. 271 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: And I should preface my comments with I'm one of 272 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: the few conservative Republicans who loves Saturday Night Live. I 273 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 3: love late night comedy, even though I spend most of it, 274 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: you know, thinking, oh, there's another like Trump joke, there's 275 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 3: another anti Republican joke. But some of it I actually 276 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: think is like kind of funny, Like I think the 277 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: current SNL Trump impression is one of the most incredible 278 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: pieces of comedy we've seen in a long time. But 279 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: Colbert moved away from comedy a long time ago, and 280 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 3: it's a theme that people talk about quite a bit 281 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 3: on social media, where they shifted from laughs to trying 282 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: to get applause for righteous indignation, which has not been comedy. 283 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: And it started all the way back in twenty seventeen. 284 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: And there's been so many clips of Stephen Colbert doing 285 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: what he really loves, which which just CosIng up to 286 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: Democrats not making jokes and not doing comedy. And so 287 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 3: for me, when I see every Democrat talk about how 288 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 3: he spoke truth to power, you have to remember that 289 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 3: to them, that only means talking bad about President Trump. 290 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 3: He had an opportunity to speak truth to power because 291 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: Stephen Colbert, you might remember, hosted a huge twenty six 292 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: million dollar fundraiser with Joe Biden just two or three 293 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: months before the George Clooney fundraiser that ended the Biden presidency. 294 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 3: Colbert didn't have anything to say about it because he 295 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 3: prioritized cozing up to Barack Obama people like that much 296 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: more than actually holding anyone accountable. And to be fair, 297 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 3: his job was comedy, so holding people accountable wasn't supposed 298 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: to be his first job, but he failed at that too. 299 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: Yes, I love that every picture, every post that says 300 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: he held he spoke truth to power is just a 301 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,359 Speaker 2: picture of him goofing off and laughing with a Democratic politician. 302 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: Because you're right, that's all they mean, is just Trump exactly. 303 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 5: Now. 304 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: I think you're right that, like you don't want to 305 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 2: be spending a variety show in late night holding everyone 306 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 2: accountable all the time. I don't think that's the point 307 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: of it. That's why you know, Letterman did well with 308 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: like stupid pet tricks, and Carson never tried to be 309 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: a messenger in that way. 310 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: Also, the late night format is hitting a tough road. 311 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: You know, the money's not there for it, the advertisers 312 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: aren't there for it, the viewers are getting much older. 313 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 2: And I think Colbert did the best he could for 314 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 2: those first couple of years of the Trump administration, seeing like, 315 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: oh I can add a little bit on the margins 316 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: by really getting the libs to watch me, and then 317 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: it just ran out of steam. 318 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 4: It did. And it's funny. 319 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: I saw a study that showed that his average audience 320 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: when he started his show, the age was sixty and 321 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: at the end of the time was when he was canceled, 322 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: the average audience had gone up to sixty eight. Some 323 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: of that, as you're talking about, is just the general 324 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: sort of media shift in dynamics. People are watching less 325 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: late night. But I also just think people got so 326 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 3: tired of it. You turn on late night comedy to 327 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 3: try and unplug from the stress of the day. And 328 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: that's all that Stephen Colbert wanted to talk talk about, 329 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 3: is the grievances. There's one video in particular after Trump 330 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 3: won where Steven gets like right up to the camera 331 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: and talks about this isn't normal, and you're like, wait, 332 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: a sec. I tuned in to this to laugh, and 333 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: all you're doing is reminding me of all the annoying 334 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: things throughout the day that I had to get through 335 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: to get to this point in my day before I 336 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 3: go to bed. And so it's easy to see why 337 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: it failed. Also, like he's making twenty million dollars a 338 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: year for a show that's losing forty million dollars a year. 339 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: Like the economy, the economics of it just aren't there. 340 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: Apparently it took one hundred million dollars to make that show. 341 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 2: How many writers do you have? I do think there's 342 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: this is an era too. 343 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 4: Now. 344 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: The left will argue that this was all about a 345 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: merger and acquisition that the Trump administration can or cannot approve, 346 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: and therefore CBS is sending this message that they are 347 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: on Trump's side, And like, I just think it was 348 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 2: probably a good time to cut bait because we're living 349 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: in an era where, particularly with TikTok and reels, which 350 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: have their up their good sides and their bad sides. 351 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: But I think one of the ups is that you 352 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: look around and you go, wow, a lot of people 353 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 2: have perhaps more comedic chops than you were exposed to 354 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 2: in the past, and they you get exposure to all 355 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: this comedy all day long. You don't need to sign 356 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: up for one hundred million dollar stable of writers to 357 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: watch Stephen Colbert lecture you on politics. 358 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 4: Exactly exactly. 359 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 3: It's easy to see that they're just we've moved away 360 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: from this, you know. And I do think that there's 361 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: some models of late night that seem to be working. 362 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: Like you know, Greg Guttfeld is killing it. There's an 363 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: audience for that, and I think in part because it's 364 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: a little bit more lighthearted, you're not feeling lectured while 365 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: you're watching it like you do with Colbert Kimmel, even Fallen. 366 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: Sometimes I think Fallen is the one who's found a 367 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: way to sort of inject games and funny, more lighthearted 368 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: things into it. But his show is struggling too, And 369 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 3: I think to your point, the economics are shifting away, 370 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: the audience is just shifting away in other formats and 371 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: other mediums. 372 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: Is the He's my favorite of the late night guys. 373 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: Fallon is for that reason because I'm just like, oh, 374 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 2: you seem like kind of nice and fun. 375 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 4: I don't feel like you hate me when I watch you. 376 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: Yes, that is an important part of it. Speaking of SNL, 377 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: this is part of the vibe shift. So Shane Gillis 378 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: is another comic who was rejected by SNL after being 379 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 2: hired by SNL. I can't remember the year and have 380 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: to look it up, but it was in the year's. 381 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 4: I think maybe twenty two. 382 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 1: I think it was maybe twenty one. 383 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: At any rate, it was when everyone was insane and 384 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: he told problematic jokes, and so after they found his 385 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 2: problematic jokes, they rescind his offer to be a writer 386 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 2: and cast member on SNL. They later came back and said, oh, 387 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: you are very successful, will you host SNL? And I 388 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: like SNL too. I've been a longtime SNL watcher since 389 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 2: I was a kid. And when they shine, they really shine. 390 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 2: But man, they can produce some some bad stuff too. 391 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 2: But Shane's one of the bright parts. So I was 392 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: excited to watch him come back and do his monologue. 393 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: I think he's I think he's hosted twice since then, 394 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: and he has now been given the reins to the 395 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: Spies this week, and I just want to play one 396 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: joke which I think characterizes his. 397 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: Monologue, and it's a very one. Here's Shane Gillis at 398 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: the SPS. 399 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 4: Megan Repino could not make it tonight. Nice. No, We're 400 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 4: gonna pretend she's a good time, all right. Uh. 401 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 3: I'm so glad you picked that clip because I saw 402 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 3: that one. 403 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 4: Like a few days later. 404 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 3: My entire Instagram feed has been clips of Shane Gillis 405 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: at the SP's because I fall a lot of sports 406 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 3: and I follow out of comedy and that's dominating. I 407 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 3: had missed that one until yesterday, and I loved it 408 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: so much. 409 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 4: We're just gonna. 410 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: Pretend she's a good time, okay, because he's kind of 411 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 3: a fish out of water in that room, you know, yes. 412 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 2: Well, and it punctures exactly what people want Shane Gillis 413 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: to puncture, which is this like self righteous, tired, like 414 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: harping on everyone all the time vibe that is perfectly 415 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: encapsulated by Megan Raupino. And the whole room knows she's 416 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: not a good time. That's like, that's the perfect part 417 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: about it. I love to see it. He's a guy 418 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: who takes risks. He's a guy who takes risks in 419 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 2: a room. People are going to get mad at him 420 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: for doing that. There's another great gag where he uses 421 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 2: the beautiful African American wife of his friend to say 422 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 2: that there's an UNBA MVP in the room or Hall 423 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 2: of Famer in the room, and that the camera cuts 424 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 2: to her and everyone cheers because they don't know who 425 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 2: plays in the WNBA, and he knows that, and then 426 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: he just sells them all out and he's like, yeah, 427 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 2: that's that's my buddy's wife. 428 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 3: That was so good because people forget that the WNBA 429 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 3: is actually probably the most political of all the sports leagues. 430 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 4: These women are doing marches. 431 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 3: They when the Georgia election law passed, they were out 432 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 3: attacking every Republican. They are the most politically active out there, 433 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 3: but they also have the least ground to do it 434 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: because they have the smallest audience, the least amount of 435 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: money and things like that. And when you bring Shane 436 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: Gillis in, you know you're going to get some of that, 437 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 3: and I thought he delivered. It reminded me a lot 438 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 3: when they had Ricky GERVAISI the Golden Globes and he 439 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: spent the entire night lampooning everyone in the room. People 440 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 3: are super uncomfortable, but like, there's a reason they did it. 441 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: It's great TV and there were some like really quiet 442 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 3: moments after Shane Gillis's jokes where people were like, I 443 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: don't know, that makes me uncomfortable. The TV audience loved it, 444 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: and it crushed on social media, so I kind of 445 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 3: feel like they brought him in in part for the room, 446 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: but also for everyone else to like really enjoy someone 447 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: actually like bring some of these athletes down to earth 448 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: just a little bit. And the Megan Rera Pino joke 449 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 3: was so perfect because she's so insufferable and you have 450 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 3: to imagine like other athletes are like this lady again. 451 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 452 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, no, you're right about the WNBA. 453 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: They seem allergic to success, like as if they just 454 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 2: want to push it away from themselves. Yep, and they 455 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: find new and creative ways to do it all the time. 456 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,719 Speaker 2: But yeah, I just enjoyed the contrast this week of 457 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: the left telling us that we must just throw money 458 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 2: not just at NPR and PBS, but also gajillionaire Stephen Colbert, 459 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: who just gives other people's money a democracy relies on. 460 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: It's like absolutely, if you can't make fun of the president, 461 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: do we really have a democracy? 462 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, turn on any channel ever. By the way. 463 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: Shane Gillis also made fun of the president. He did 464 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 2: some Epstein jokes like this is It's fine. 465 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 4: Guys, something for everyone. 466 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: The Republic will survive. Okay, Yeah, we're gonna take a break. 467 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: We will be back in a minute with it in 468 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: case you missed it from both Matt and me. All Right, 469 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 2: we are back on normally with my buddy Matt Whitlock. 470 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here. You have a 471 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 2: little in case you missed it story I believe about 472 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: one of our favorite favorite former secretaries in the cabinet. 473 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 4: Yes, this is a great story. 474 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: New York Post broke this morning a story that Pete Bodhajic, 475 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 3: presidential hopeful leading in a number of Democrat primary polls, 476 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 3: spent eighty billion dollars on DEI grants while delaying air 477 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 3: traffic control upgrades. Part of the reason I love this 478 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 3: is throughout the Biden administration, we'd regularly get a new 479 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 3: story of Pete Boodagech doing something insane like forcing you 480 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: to host neighborhood block parties if you wanted to build 481 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: an EV charging station or transit equity day, or pretending 482 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 3: to ride his bike to events so that he could 483 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 3: show up in his helmet, but it turns out he 484 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: just pulled it out of the back of the Secret 485 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 3: Service SUV. So in Democrats talk about how this guy's 486 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: like their rising star. I just like, I would love 487 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 3: for that to be our next presidential campaign, whether it's 488 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: JD versus Pete or whoever. Like Bodagic gives us so 489 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 3: much to work with and it's awesome. 490 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a travesty that he was doing that, 491 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: And I. 492 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: Just like he's always like playing like ooh, the Trump 493 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: administration isn't on top of these transportation is used like, sir, you. 494 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: Have never been at the switch ever. Some amazing stuff. Okay, 495 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: I have a little bit of a wonky. 496 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: One Wall Street Journal had a piece on the National 497 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: Environmental Policy Act of nineteen seventy, which actually we have 498 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 2: talked about on this show before because it was one 499 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: of Trump's executive orders that I was excited about. It 500 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 2: reforms permitting, It gets a bunch of environmental nonsense and 501 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: red tape out of the process so that people can build. 502 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: That then cuts down on how. 503 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: Much litigation and environmentalist groups can do on these projects. 504 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 2: And what Trump did was he asked all the agencies 505 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: to say, well, how can you streamline this, Let's only 506 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 2: apply it to the most important things. Because as all regulation, 507 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 2: the NIPA became this huge morass of requirements. And what 508 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 2: happened is a twenty twenty federal study found that at 509 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 2: that point it took four point five years average to 510 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: complete an environmental mental impact statement. 511 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: Required, not the project, the environmental statement. 512 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: So a bunch of a bunch of the agencies have 513 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: now gotten together and said, okay, here's how we're simplifying. 514 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: The Supreme Court has spoken on this and said that 515 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: NIPA should not be a roadblock to getting anything done. 516 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: It's just a way to severe like serious issues. And 517 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: so it looks like a brighter day for building things. 518 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,719 Speaker 3: Incredibly valuable, huge, huge coup for the Trump administration. 519 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: All right, well those are in case you missed it. 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