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Speaker 1: What's happening, everybody. Welcome to Wednesday edition of Texans All Access. Man,

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Speaker 1: it's good to be back John Harris alongside Mark Vandermere,

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Speaker 1: and we will start the show with well, I could

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Speaker 1: say it now. He's our good friend. He's a general

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Speaker 1: manager of your Houston Texans, Nick Cassario. And we got

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Speaker 1: a little h GB question that will arise. In fact,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna ask Nick about this, So let's get to it.

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Speaker 1: We got a chance to catch up with the general

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Speaker 1: manager of your Houston Texans. Been a little busy lately,

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Speaker 1: kind of chided me for you see me in like

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Speaker 1: a month. Yeah, I was in Mobile. He was hiring

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Speaker 1: a coach. I mean, you gotta do what you gotta do, right,

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Speaker 1: So here we go, Mark me Nick, let's roll here

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Speaker 1: in the Hunday Texans radio studio for the first time

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Speaker 1: sort of in twenty twenty three. It's Nick Cassario, general

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Speaker 1: manager of your Texans. How's it going, Nick, Oh, it's

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Speaker 1: great to be here. Good to see you. Good to

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Speaker 1: see you. I know you've been busy, new head coach,

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Speaker 1: putting a staff together, putting evaluation together for the season.

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Speaker 1: So give us a little update of what you've been

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Speaker 1: doing since the press conference introducing Tobeco. Ryan's yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it's been great, kind of full speed ahead. So we've

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Speaker 1: kind of been immersed in a little bit of everything.

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Speaker 1: First and foremost was the focus on the coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: Trying to solidify the staff. Went through a process there

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Speaker 1: last week, multiple moving parts, but just trying to identify

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Speaker 1: some different people and players that are excumey coaches that

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Speaker 1: we thought you would be a fit for what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: So that was the primary focus. Now that we kind

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Speaker 1: of have i would say the majority of the staff

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Speaker 1: sort of familiarizing themselves with our team, so to have

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Speaker 1: an understanding of what we have here, both players on

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Speaker 1: the roster and then players that will be free agents

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Speaker 1: before we transition to looking at players externally in terms

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Speaker 1: of who's going to be available league wide, So that's

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Speaker 1: kind of the bucket for the coaches. And on the

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Speaker 1: scouting side, we actually have our staff here, college scouting

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Speaker 1: staff here, so we're going through our second round of

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Speaker 1: in terms of the evaluation, where we actually talk about

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Speaker 1: how do we see that player? And then earmarking some

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Speaker 1: players that we haven't had the opportunity to visit with

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Speaker 1: in terms of underclassmen, will have an interaction with them

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Speaker 1: at the combine. So that's what the last college seven

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Speaker 1: with our college draft meetings, kind of have an open

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Speaker 1: week last week, excuse me, next week, which will be

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Speaker 1: for our staff's coaching staff, and then the following week

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Speaker 1: will be the combine and that will entail some other

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Speaker 1: to be cognizant of how much we put on a

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Speaker 1: coaching staff. They'll be involved in the evaluation process, but

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Speaker 1: work that we've done to this point. I'm sure that's

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Speaker 1: been all fun and such. But I missed you mobile,

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Speaker 1: my man, the tape. Don't worry, I'm sure I'm sure

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Speaker 1: watching from Afar, and obviously you know, didn't have a

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Speaker 1: How's the relationship between the two of you and how

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Speaker 1: much did you know Demko before this whole process? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: great question. We really didn't know each other all that well.

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Speaker 1: Obviously had an existing relationship with the organization. UM, so

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Speaker 1: both on a personal and professional level. We understand we

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Speaker 1: together and ultimately into making good decisions for the organization. Nick,

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Speaker 1: good coaches can come from anywhere, but Demko was a player.

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Speaker 1: So coaches who have been players at a high level,

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Speaker 1: especially at a leadership position the way he was, what

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Speaker 1: does that mean as they become a head coach, and

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Speaker 1: reduplicate that. When you know you're with the player, you're

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Speaker 1: AFC South, I mean, really, would you have three former

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Speaker 1: You know, Shane played but you know, it's a different dynamic.

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Speaker 1: So everybody's going to have I would say, opinions. I've

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Speaker 1: So you have to weigh all those factors. But you

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Speaker 1: So to your point, John, there's a lot of moving

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Speaker 1: How does it help possibly to have Demko come in

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Speaker 1: come into the building. Yeah, it's important. I mean I

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Speaker 1: He's taken the last you know, however many days he's

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Speaker 1: time wins went to your alma mater? Johnny thinks we

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Speaker 1: should just ask what is your alma mater? Which question

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Speaker 1: should we ask for the HGIB gift card? I would say,

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Speaker 1: probably what is the alma mater? Okay, that would just

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Speaker 1: keep it simple. They might get the coach. Can I

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Speaker 1: actually I'll give you maybe a separate trivia queste okay,

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Speaker 1: probab he at least do credit to Burt Brier because

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Speaker 1: I read this. So I think there's either four head

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Speaker 1: coaches currently that went to high schools in northeast Ohio

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Speaker 1: within a forty five minute, uh fifty mile radius of

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Speaker 1: one another. So do you think there's something Do you

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Speaker 1: think there's something to that the hotbed it is? Don't

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Speaker 1: ask me? Is that like sixties and seventies quarterbacks coming

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Speaker 1: from and we're not even counting Sirianni. So but oh,

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Speaker 1: he's not including ems. I found out the other day.

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Speaker 1: I saw Sirianni's last game at Mount Union play, the

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Speaker 1: National championship game against Sint John's. My buddy of mine

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Speaker 1: went to Saint John's and so we went to the game.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize I was watching Nick. He's not in

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Speaker 1: that four. It's a different I think it's a different group.

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Speaker 1: We won't say you're all the monitor, but Mount Union

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Speaker 1: were they that was legal what they've been doing, right

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Speaker 1: with two hundred players or something like that. They have

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Speaker 1: their own farm system on campus. However they work it. No,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's incredible. A coach Cara is built and

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Speaker 1: kind of the a culture and environment that they created.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean mind numbing. I mean that

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Speaker 1: was the only team. We didn't beat great teams. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think over the course of I mean he to

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Speaker 1: ten years, they might have lost like six games. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's just yea, and they were high volume and

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Speaker 1: they kind of and then your number a couple two hundred,

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Speaker 1: I mean that was yeah. I mean they had a

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Speaker 1: lot of good players, but they were well coached, They

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Speaker 1: were disciplined, they were highly productive offensively, they played smart

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Speaker 1: and tough on defense. I mean they were I mean

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Speaker 1: a great program and a lot of good people and

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Speaker 1: players and coaches have gone through there and have gone

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Speaker 1: on and been very, very successful. First coach in Texans

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Speaker 1: history Dom Caper's Mountain Union. Did you talk to him

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Speaker 1: about that when he was with the Patriots for a

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Speaker 1: brief time, they had a conversation about that. Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: was best friends with Larry Carris. Yeah, there were roommates

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Speaker 1: or something. Great. A lot of respect for that program,

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Speaker 1: a lot of history, all right, Nick, thanks a lot

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Thanks guys, that was great stuff from

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Speaker 1: Nick Cassario, general manager of your Houston Texans. Still got

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Speaker 1: plenty of work there, man. His didn't do list. Speak

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Speaker 1: with the pro scouts on free agency, speak with the

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Speaker 1: college scouts on the draft, make sure the coaching search continues,

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Speaker 1: and help there. Man. There's a lot going on in

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Speaker 1: Nick Casserio's world, and we appreciate him taking a few

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Speaker 1: minutes to chat with us about all of it. Now.

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Speaker 1: One of the units that seemingly is in pretty good

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Speaker 1: shape as we own a twenty twenty three is the

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Speaker 1: secondary Each Wednesday, Mark and I'll pick a position and

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Speaker 1: we'll break it down. We'll do that next right here

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Speaker 1: in Texas All Access. Welcome back to Wednesday edition of

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Speaker 1: Texas All Access. Man, is it good to say that

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Speaker 1: I'm John Harris alongside Mark vander Meer. Still, we let

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Speaker 1: Nick go off and do work that he needed to do.

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Speaker 1: But Mark hib question, all right, So we decided that

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Speaker 1: we would ask what alma mater belongs to Nick Casserio? Right,

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Speaker 1: all right? So answer that correctly? Where did he go

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Speaker 1: to college? In other words, get it right first? On

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Speaker 1: the tweet that promoted tonight show, it's a little photo

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Speaker 1: of Johnny, Nick Casserio, and me, and you get it

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Speaker 1: right first. And the replies, and look, if there's a

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Speaker 1: little dispute, I'll just give away to gift cards. That's

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Speaker 1: just how I like, did you do that? Yeah? That

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be I'm not gonna be that I

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Speaker 1: said that wrong. I like that we do that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean you're you're driving the train on that. But

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Speaker 1: I can appreciate that for sure. It's a team effort, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: the team effort. We talked a lot with Nick about

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Speaker 1: the team. I'm at Texan's Voice, just so we have

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Speaker 1: that settled at Harris Football at Texans Voice. Uh, that's

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Speaker 1: what you want and need to know. Now we talk

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Speaker 1: about Nick a lot about the combine, that's the future

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Speaker 1: of the team. Yeah, we'll talk about the future of

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Speaker 1: the team by position. I wrote yesterday about the secondary.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving my position breakdowns going through the secondary, trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out, all right, well, not what will the

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Speaker 1: Texans do, But it's all my opinion, hasn't do with

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Speaker 1: Nick or anything. Just where the Texans are, who's on

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Speaker 1: the roster, who's an unrestricted free agent, what they might

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Speaker 1: do in free agency, and then where they might look

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Speaker 1: in the draft. Okay, So when you think about secondary,

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Speaker 1: gut reaction right off the bat, secondary two safeties, two corners,

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Speaker 1: and Nicol thrown in there. What's your read just gut

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Speaker 1: reaction to what's available or what this secondary will look

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Speaker 1: like in twenty twenty three. Just so you know, here's

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Speaker 1: here's the breakdown of who's back. Who's definitely back at

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Speaker 1: least as far as we as you know right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Steven Nelson, Jaylen Petrie, Derek Stanley, Desmond King, Eric Murray,

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Speaker 1: Kobe Francis Grayland Arnold. Also, Nick added two defensive backs,

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Speaker 1: D'Angelo Ross and Knar Holman. They signed reserve contracts, so

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Speaker 1: they're on board as well. So free agents in the

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Speaker 1: back end Jonathan Owens, Traymont Smith, m J. Stewart, Tap Thomas.

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Speaker 1: That's what we know right now as it sits okay,

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Speaker 1: your gut reaction to how this where the secondary is

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Speaker 1: and what you think the offseason might bring to the secondary.

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Speaker 1: So Jo is gonna be a free agent? How's this

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Speaker 1: to go in the Biles household? That's what I want

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Speaker 1: to know. If he's not back, she's still gonna be

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Speaker 1: friends with us. It's a business. She knows this. She's

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Speaker 1: from Houston, right, so I think can look if he

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Speaker 1: gets more money elsewhere, that's a business decision for him

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Speaker 1: to and he would have gotten that money by having

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to play here last year. Yeah, so it's

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Speaker 1: all good for everybody. But we'll see how that goes.

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Speaker 1: But I think, obviously him being a free agent, you

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Speaker 1: have to look there first, Johnny, because I do like

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Speaker 1: the accommodation of Stanley and Nelson, and do they at

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Speaker 1: you said is Bad is still under contract and Dees

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Speaker 1: is a valuable player for this team. I have a theory.

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Speaker 1: You wanna hear my theory. You're wanna keep going ahead.

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Speaker 1: Des was at the Demiko Ryan's press conference. By the way,

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Speaker 1: if you end up losing Jonathan and he takes you know,

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Speaker 1: he goes somewhere else. Yeah, what about Desmond King transitioning

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Speaker 1: to safety, doing the Kareem Jackson thing that should have

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Speaker 1: been done well before it actually happened, and actually moving

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Speaker 1: Desmond King to safety in this defense? I think ball

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Speaker 1: skills wise, absolutely. You tell me about tackling if that

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Speaker 1: is there, Joe had a billion tackles. Now, look, twenty

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Speaker 1: five guys down field. That's not always the sexiest thing

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Speaker 1: in the world, but you have to stop them from

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Speaker 1: inflicting further damage, and you have to ultimately be able

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Speaker 1: to bring those guys down. He might welcome something like

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Speaker 1: that as he advances in his career. He's twenty eight

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Speaker 1: years old now, so maybe that's something that Dez would

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Speaker 1: look at. Maybe that's something they would look at. I

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Speaker 1: still think they're going to draft or bring in another safety.

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Speaker 1: You said Murray's gone too right. Murray still Murray's and

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Speaker 1: his depth player for them. And look, m J. Stewart

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Speaker 1: had some moments did he at the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: the last four or five games of the year, all

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Speaker 1: year on special teams, last probably seventy eight games of

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Speaker 1: the year. You got more time at safety, and he

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Speaker 1: did some good things back there, for sure. You know what,

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Speaker 1: You and I find this stuff exciting, and maybe the

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Speaker 1: average casual fan doesn't. But the guys they sign, like

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Speaker 1: the Kings, Treymont Smiths and MJ. Stewarts, those players make

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Speaker 1: plays they do. You need those players. So we'll see

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Speaker 1: who they bring in this year, whether or not they

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Speaker 1: retained Smith or whether they retain m J. Stewart. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna bring in players like that because you have to

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Speaker 1: fill the roster that way and draft your young players,

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Speaker 1: but you cannot count on them to shine immediately like

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Speaker 1: a Jail and Petrie. So I expect them to draft

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Speaker 1: a safety somewhere and probably bring in another free agent

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Speaker 1: at safety. It might not be the sexiest signing, a

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Speaker 1: marquee busting, sports center leading signing, but it'll be a

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Speaker 1: signing and it will be somebody who can make some

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Speaker 1: plays with him. I'm gonna ask you this because I've

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Speaker 1: seen this a few times now. I saw I can't

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Speaker 1: remember who wrote a friend Offel dot Com wrote an

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Speaker 1: article today assessing the Texans draft from twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Gave it a B minus. He gave it he gave

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Speaker 1: the Titans a B like what you gave the Titans

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Speaker 1: a B for what Traylon Burks who was hurt a lot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't know, Roger, Roger McCurry played

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Speaker 1: a lot for them, Matt like, but he said that

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Speaker 1: Jalen Petrie season was serviceable. It was a little bit

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Speaker 1: more than serviceable. I was, but I've still a couple

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Speaker 1: of times now like people are like, well, it was,

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Speaker 1: you know it serviceable. You know if Jaylen Petrie showed

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Speaker 1: because the Texans were three win team, that's it. And

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00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: he miss tackles and I think that's you know, that's

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Speaker 1: something easily that PFF can point out. But he also

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Speaker 1: had one hundred and forty plus tackles and five interceptions.

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Speaker 1: He's one of five defensive players to do that since

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one. Here's the idea, like the ideas that

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Speaker 1: Petrie doesn't have to make quite as many tackles. Oh

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Speaker 1: yet that let's start there. Speaking of that, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put the number at two hundred and thirty five four

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Speaker 1: combined tackles. You're two starting safeties last year? Oh over under?

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Speaker 1: Oh it was over that. Okay, I put the number

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Speaker 1: two seventy Was it over under? It was just over?

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Speaker 1: Who was it was two hundred and seventy two tackles. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's see that. Even I could do that math,

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Speaker 1: Even I could do that quickie math. That's got that's

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Speaker 1: gotta change. Yeah. And and Jayleen and one hundred and

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Speaker 1: forty seven tackles led the team. And he also had

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Speaker 1: I think the number was thirty two miss tackles. Well,

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Speaker 1: remember Jo was racking up all those tackles relatively early,

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Speaker 1: and then Petrie started to light it up tackle wise,

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Speaker 1: and tackle stats are kind of a dubious honor sometimes

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Speaker 1: based on the position group and all of that. But

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Speaker 1: Petrie had the five picks, and I know sometimes the

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Speaker 1: picks come to you, but I like that. I think

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Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. The ball comes to him,

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Speaker 1: maybe it finds him and he picks it off. That's good.

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Speaker 1: I think that kind of thing. You hope it continues.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Demiko Ryan said of the press conference jail

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Speaker 1: and we got to continue to take the ball away.

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Speaker 1: He'll continue to do that. I think they'll look to

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Speaker 1: get as good as possible through the draft at that

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Speaker 1: particular position. But I wouldn't be surprised if it's those

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Speaker 1: three guys plus a new safety, probably not a draft pick,

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Speaker 1: probably a veteran. Maybe they move King, maybe they find

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Speaker 1: somebody else to play that spot, and a draft choice

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Speaker 1: could possibly work his way in. And as we know,

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Speaker 1: it's not just about four dbs, it's about the eight

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Speaker 1: hundred guys are going to roll through there. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let me. I'm gonna throw this not really a caveat,

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Speaker 1: but how do you assess this statement? This might be

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Speaker 1: the best and most in the deepest cornerback class in

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Speaker 1: quite some time in the NFL draft. I mean, mark

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Speaker 1: one through twenty five. Can I mean it? Markets you're

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Speaker 1: talking about your top twenty five corners. Okay, just just listen,

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Speaker 1: just listen to this, okay. Six two two o one

642
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Speaker 1: six two two hundred six two two hundred six two

643
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Speaker 1: two oh five six two two oh five six four

644
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: two oh four six two one ninety six two two

645
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: oh five, six two two seventeen. These are all the corners.

646
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: These are corners. They're growing him bigger six three two

647
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: oh six. I mean it's amazing. I mean, being at

648
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, was just watching all of them, Like

649
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: we got a chance to see Julius Prance a few

650
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: years ago at the Texas Bowl. I'm watching him a close.

651
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: He's six three and a half two or four, and

652
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: he's a corner. He's a corner. Is he gonna be

653
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: a safety in the n of No, He's gonna be

654
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: a corner. I mean long, I mean Rajion, right, I

655
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: don't know what Raion would rasion measures from Oregon State.

656
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: He's got armed for days six two one ninety three.

657
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: But how do these guys stay with a Tyreek hill

658
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: or something exactly? That's exactly the point. Now, there are

659
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: some of those guys that are mixed in, But there

660
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: were guys popping on the radar screen as I'm watching

661
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: down then, I'm like, oh, I mean, like Darius Rush

662
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: from South Carolina. I've been watching his teammate Cam Smith,

663
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Darius rushed to the Senior

664
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: be like, well, I better watch him a little bit

665
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: and I watch a little bit like, yeah, I kind

666
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: of like him. I watched him the senior bow. I'm like,

667
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: holy smokes, this might be one of my highest rated corners.

668
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: So with that many corners, I mean, you've invested because

669
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: you signed Stephen Nelson and you drafted sting But you

670
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: don't know if Tremont's coming back. But you also have

671
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: Desmond who's played some out there, and obviously Kobe's younger. Either,

672
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to draft a corner at some point.

673
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: You don't have to do it early. I don't think

674
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: you have to do it early, but do address safety though,

675
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: also know you have to address safety for sure. But

676
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: how about that US veteran and draft choice at both spots.

677
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: You have eleven draft picks. You're gonna draft a corner somewhere.

678
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: You have to because look, Stingley, as much as we

679
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: love them, got hurt. You want to see that happen

680
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: against slot On, sam Aley or somehow if Nelson goes out.

681
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: You had a couple of games where we had both

682
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: those guys out for a stretch, So let's see what

683
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: happens here. You're gonna have to get deeper. Obviously, always

684
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: need that at every position group. But I would not

685
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: be surprised if they go draft choice and veteran at

686
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: free agents, especially free agents, they had both spots, especially

687
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: those two spots. Those guys, if they're not playing, they're

688
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: gonna end up playing a special teams. So you're gonna

689
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna need special teams guys being linebacker, safeties, and corners.

690
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: But this is a tremendous This is why I think

691
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: it works out for the Texans having such a deep

692
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: draft class is you don't have to take a you know,

693
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: you got two and twelve and thirty thirty three. Okay,

694
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: so let me ask you this. This is just a

695
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: weird kind of So there's a forfeited pick. Yeah, the

696
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: Dolphins forfeited pick. So is the top pick in the

697
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: second round number thirty two or is it number thirty three.

698
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: I believe it's number thirty three. I believe they still

699
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: count that because it's a forfeited pick. It does not

700
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: according in the draft right exactly, because that means that

701
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: your last pick in the first round or your first

702
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: pick in the second round, according to the thirty two logic,

703
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: with the forfeited pick, would have that five year option

704
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: possibility exactly. They're not going to allow that. So the

705
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: first pick of the second round is the first pick

706
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: in the second round, no matter if there's fifteen picks

707
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: in the first round. That's how they would play it

708
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: as a league as a policy. But the fact is this,

709
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: you're still getting the thirty third play yeah, because we've

710
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: got the number two spot in the second round. All

711
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: the number two, that's right, okay, but you're getting the

712
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: thirty third round. So which is where Dabiko Ryans was picked.

713
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: It's exactly right, Yeah, that was exactly right he was.

714
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: He was picked number thirty three. Yeah, which will be ours.

715
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: It's it's pick number thirty three, but it's number thirty

716
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: four overall. Point being, you got two, you got twelve,

717
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: you got thirty three. Overall, you got sixty five and

718
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: seventy three. One of those is probably gonna be a corner.

719
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: One of those, I would imagine probably gonna be a corner.

720
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: All right, give me how many picks was that? Wait?

721
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: That was twelve thirty three. It was five, sixty five

722
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: seventy three. It's five picks in top seven O. So

723
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: of those five picks, this is another show topic, but

724
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: we'll hit it quickly. Here position groups, place your bets. Everybody.

725
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 1: We could do a contest on Houston Texans dot com.

726
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: Quarterback your bets, quarterback somewhere U d tackle the end?

727
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: Is that one one thing to two different two different

728
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: tackle d end? Quarterback? You said corner, you have one left?

729
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: Who is it? You gotta have a you gotta have

730
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: a receiver. No, you've got to have some sort of

731
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: ball carrying weapon. I don't care how you I don't

732
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: know how you classify it. I don't want to classify it.

733
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: You gotta have a ball carrying weapon. And I know

734
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: how people think. I know how people think, Well he

735
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: a receiver. Well whoa wait a second, wait, whoa whoa?

736
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: He made the played receiver, but he's done some different

737
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: things like Jamir Gibbs Alabama. Oh he's a running back.

738
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, not always so somebody like that.

739
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: And I don't care. I don't care. Maybe it's maybe

740
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: it's a true receiver. Oh man, I watched a Nico

741
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: Collins clone last night. Oh I mean he is Nico

742
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: Collins to a t from Tennessee Cedric Tillman, Yeah, yeah,

743
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: he is Nico Colin. I'm watching going holy callitt's Nico.

744
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: Wait did he have the huge game against Alabama? No,

745
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: that's Jalen Hyatt. That's Will Fuller. Wait is he coming out?

746
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: I like speaking Texans. Ze. No, it's good. It's like translating,

747
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's nice. It's like the cop. Yeah, Jalen

748
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: Hyatt is will Fuller. It's amazing to watch on film

749
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: and watch the receivers run their routes and how they're moving,

750
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: and then you see Jalen Hyatt. It looks like he's

751
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: been put in like fast forward motion. You know what

752
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: Fuller was. He was a super expensive, souped up sports

753
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: car that was in the shop a lot. Yes, exactly,

754
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: because that's what happens to the fine Italian sports cars. Yeah,

755
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: they get one. There's one little kids just just off

756
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: not a little right, But when it's on, baby, there's nothing.

757
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: And that's it's got to be an offensive weapon. I

758
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: don't care how you classify it. Waits high it coming out.

759
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah he's in, all right, So yeah he's in.

760
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: He's will Fuller. He's in. He's half of the the

761
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: easiest comp I had player the Cough Award. Will Fuller.

762
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he can fly. He can jet. I'm gonna

763
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: go skills too. And I'm not going to name the

764
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: order now, but quarterback, receiver, corner, defensive, Can I say

765
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: defensive lineman four three defensive linemansive lineman, because look, if

766
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: you draft Jail and Carter, you're not drafting we need

767
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: help in the interior. Ok. Fine, you need help in

768
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: the interior, but you're drafting him to wreck the game.

769
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: Game wrecker wherever the physician is in the front seven.

770
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: I want somebody to destroy the backfield. Carter will do that.

771
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: There's no there's no doubt. You know, I probably need

772
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: to take the back of a corner because I forgot.

773
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: We need to We need to find the middle of

774
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: the offensive line. We need the center. Now. Again, there's

775
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: freegient money that you can, you know, use and maybe

776
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: you end up finding a center that way. I don't.

777
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: I don't love the center class, but you gotta have.

778
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: You gotta have the center. Position. To the next show topic,

779
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: which is more likely to happen, We'll do this tomorrow.

780
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: We'll do that tomorrow. Trade up or trade down from

781
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: twelve more likely to happen. Now we'll be on the agenda. Johnny,

782
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ask Nick right now, Nick, what are

783
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: you doing? Like I did earlier? He wouldn't tell me,

784
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: But maybe you'll tell me a private and then I'll

785
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: share it on the radio. Maybe. Now I'm kidding Nick,

786
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm kidding now, and I'm not kidding about it was yesterday,

787
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: it was Valentine's Day, and that's all about love. Drew

788
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: Doherty and I talked about what we love next on

789
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: Texas Access. What's up everybody? Welcome back to this final

790
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: segment of a Wednesday A Nation of Texans All Access.

791
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm your ost John Harris, football on a Suddown reporter

792
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: and one half of the in the Lab podcast duo,

793
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: a man Drew Doherty. Now, we recorded this on Valentine's Day,

794
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: and so the word love of was was brought to

795
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: the forefront. What do we love about the Texans, etc. Well,

796
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: Drew and I handled that here, well, at least a

797
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: little bit of it here. Take a listen. Let's lead

798
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: off with Demiko Ryan's being the head coach after being

799
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: the captain. Here here's one fun little fact I love

800
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: about Demiko Ryans that I heard the first year I

801
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: was here. Demiko Ryans hit so hard and hit so

802
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: much that dang near after every single game they had

803
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: to replace his face mask because he was bending his

804
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: face masks like singletary sque. I mean, I don't think

805
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: that gets out there these days. I think the technology

806
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: has improved, maybe, But Demiko Ryans, that's that's the type

807
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: of guy. All you kiddos out here that never got

808
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: to see him play, that's the type of guy he was.

809
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 1: And he just gobbled up tackles. He was the defensive

810
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: player of the Year in the SEC his final year

811
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: at Alabama in two thousand and five. Really good team.

812
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: They won nine games. They're undefeated into November before a

813
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: couple of stumbles there, which happens in the SEC. But

814
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: I love that a guy who had his face mask

815
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: get bent. And I love saying get bent. And there's

816
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: an energy in the building. Man, there's an energy in

817
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: the building that I love, love, love John having a

818
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: bent face mask. You know the force, it takes a lot.

819
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: I hit people as hard as I possibly could when

820
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: I could. I never bent my face mask, except for

821
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: the one time where I I got up and I

822
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know what just happened. I hite

823
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: wand Camp from Mady Creek made Creeks and he ended

824
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 1: up going to Michigan. That dude, he was a big

825
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: he was like six one two ten and I hit

826
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: him with everything I had in a playoff game. And

827
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: I got up and my two bars were like, Wow, Wow,

828
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: you gotta do something to Ben. Some face mask Ben,

829
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: some face masks. That's for sure. That was seventeen five

830
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: A made Creek back there. Yeah, there were four A

831
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: at that point because it was right when made Creek over. Okay, yeah,

832
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: right right when they opened. Um. Yeah, I think it's

833
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: loving having Demiko on here. I have a question real fast,

834
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: will you call him kapper coach? I'd question, but I'm

835
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: kind of been debating because I've always said this, Every

836
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: single coach that I come across is coached to me,

837
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: always and forevermore, especially if you coached me, you always

838
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: be coached. I will never like it was. It was

839
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: hard for me to call Jim Bernhardt Jimmy like. I

840
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: had a hard time doing that. He was always coached.

841
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: So I think he's gonna be coached me, probably because yeah,

842
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: I always called him Demiko. I you know, I always

843
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: called Cushing Brian. Yeah, and everybody calls him Cush. Yeah,

844
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, I always just called him Brian Ryan, so

845
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: that's kind of like a weirdo in that regard. But

846
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: I'll probably call him coach yeah when I see him.

847
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, I love I'm in love with Demiko Higher

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Speaker 1: for sure. I think that's really cool. I Now, I

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Speaker 1: don't know this has been announced, but it's been out there.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of sources saying this one. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with it. Okay. I love the fact

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Speaker 1: that Grog Johnson's here. Yeah, n Johnson's great at quarterback,

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Speaker 1: played at Humble High School. Don't pronounce the h. It's silent.

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Speaker 1: We're not humble here, We're humble and in time out, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you want to know one of one of my pet peeves.

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Speaker 1: One of the things we want to know. One thing

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Speaker 1: I don't love is when you get an award. Not you,

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Speaker 1: John Harris, but when people get awards or get honored yea,

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Speaker 1: and they get up and they say, I'm just so

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Speaker 1: humbled by this or rumble. But no, you're not humble,

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Speaker 1: but you're flattered by it. Right, You're not humbled because

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Speaker 1: humbled means you've had your legs chopped out from you

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Speaker 1: and you've been taken down a rung or two. Stop

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Speaker 1: stop saying you're humbled. If you get something something nice happens. Honored. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're honored is a great I am showing. I hope

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Speaker 1: to show my humility in accepting this award. That's a

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Speaker 1: good that would be okay. Um. Draw went to Humble

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Speaker 1: and then you went to text saying am I thought

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Speaker 1: the end of his career texts? And it was unfortunate

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Speaker 1: because of the arm issue. He ended up having an injury.

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Speaker 1: And then he went to league and he bounced around.

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Speaker 1: He saw a lot of different teams and organizations. And

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Speaker 1: I got to know him around twenty sixteen twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 1: I think, and he actually I went to do a

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Speaker 1: game at sam and they say, oh, yeah, Gird's on

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Speaker 1: the sideline like Gard like yeah, Draw Johnson, I'm like what,

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Speaker 1: I don't know else, Drid down there and I'm up here.

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Speaker 1: And so I talked to him Butts that day and

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Speaker 1: he's like, you know, I'm just trying to kind of

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Speaker 1: figure it out, man, just trying to figure out what

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Speaker 1: I want to do, how I want to go about it.

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Speaker 1: And it was the next year that he ended up

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Speaker 1: getting a fellowship up with the Indiapolis Colts. We got

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Speaker 1: a lot more to that podcast. Go check it out

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Speaker 1: Houston Texas dot com wherever you get your podcasts, and

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00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: can't wait to see Gerard officially named very very soon.

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Speaker 1: In a big thanks to Drawd obviously, to Drew, to

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Speaker 1: Mark and of course in Nick Cassari, to all you

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Speaker 1: for listening. We'll see him everybody in his allways, Go Texans,