1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Countculus steps and disco rises every night at sunset. Chicken 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: is right, this is awful silly stuff. Ron Andanian. Electric 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: cars and autonomous cars are going to be a problem. 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Get used to it. You don't stop imagining these crazy things. 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: I'll take you to a doctor to have you examine 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: the car doctor. You're gonna put a self driving car 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: in Lower Manhattan and expected to operate safely. The only 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: way autonomous cars are gonna work in Lower Manhattan is 9 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to let a New Yorker program. Welcome 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: to the radio home of Ron Andanian, the Car Doctors. 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: This is where car owners the world overturned to for 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: take your calls. At eight and now the car's gonna 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: have to figure out to give the other driver the 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: single digit salute. I'm walking ahead, walking a half years 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: n runny, Hey, it's time to start your engines. Let's 19 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: get fired up and talk about cars. Here. I'm Roninady 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: in the Car Doctor. At eight five five five zero 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero here to take your calls and 22 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: answer your questions. Whatever you've got going on Fender defender 23 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: and door to door this week, this hour, maybe next hour, 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: but this week, this hour, this week, this week, this 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: hour at six and one to Tomato Tomato. Um, sometime 26 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: during this two hour segment of Car Doctor broadcasting, we 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: are going to give away a launch scan tool courtesy 28 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: the folks at Launch Launch take USA dot com a 29 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: millennium seventy maybe we'll give it to a millennium cook. 30 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: Nice four inch color screen, does all sorts of UH 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: scan tool stuff like graphing and live data stream and 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: reach codes modes one through ten, oxygen sensor test, color graphs. 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: Nice stuff, real nice stuff. Nice tool. Um, you'll love 34 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: it whoever's gonna get it. But we're gonna give you 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: that away in the next two hours, uh this week 36 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: here on the Car Doctor. And we look forward to 37 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: doing that as we talked about the weeks gone by 38 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: and um just stuff like that. There we're gonna talk 39 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: to a gentleman from all that in the second hour, 40 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: Robert McBride I think his name is, I was gonna 41 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: stop by there, you know, Seema is next week the 42 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: big Vegas APEX trade show out in Vegas is next week, 43 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: and we try to grab some of the industry's best 44 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: and brightest every year to talk about what you might 45 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: see if you make it out to Vegas and some 46 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: of the new products, because this is the time of 47 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: year the industry unveils, you know, pulls back the curtain 48 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: and unveils what's doing, what we're gonna deal with next 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: year in terms of the ongoing battle to continuously try 50 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: and repair automobile. So we look forward to that conversation 51 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: with Robert next hour. But I am here to take 52 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: your calls at eight zero this hour and next obviously, 53 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: and h I welcome you to come on give me 54 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: a call. We'll kick the garage doors open because that 55 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: is how you're gonna win the scan tool from launch. 56 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you from the heart for 57 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: a minute. And and I like doing this. I you ouh. 58 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: People say, what do you still fix cars after all 59 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: these years? And isn't it boring? And no, it's not boring. 60 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: You know, there's always something different. There's always you know. 61 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: Asked me how my day was, and I'll tell you 62 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: a different story every day. Yesterday was Friday, and and 63 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: Friday is always a very different kind of a day 64 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: in an order repair shop. When you're closed on Saturday 65 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: and Sunday, it's you know, it's the last day of 66 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: the week and you're trying to get cars out, and 67 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: there's there's always that sense in the air that the 68 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: weekends right around the corner, and you know, how can 69 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: you get there without you know, making any mistake. It's 70 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: you've got to pitch the perfect game. You're you're playing 71 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: baseball and you've you know, you've you've got to just 72 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: be right every time, especially on Friday. Ed walked in 73 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: the door. I've never met it before. I never saw 74 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: it before, and I think I made at a customer 75 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: without even working on his car, because he walked up 76 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: to the counter and he had that look in design. 77 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: I've seen that look. I've been doing this too long, 78 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: and I can tell when somebody has reached that that. 79 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: I call it the Obi wan Kenobi moment. You know 80 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: when they walk in and they've got that you're my 81 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: only Bobi wan Knobi, please help me. And I wasn't wrong. 82 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: He had taken his car to one of the national 83 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: franchises that to exhaust you you figure it out. There's 84 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: only one or two choices there that are local to us, 85 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: and spent approximately to fix the brakes on his two 86 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: thousand Chevy Suburban with two thousand miles on the check 87 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 1: engine light and so much rust that you'd be afraid 88 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: to take it through the car washed for fear that 89 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: it would wash away. And you could see that the 90 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: vehicle was kind of at the end of its life. 91 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: And that's really all Ed wanted out of it. He 92 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: told me when I asked him that, you know, he 93 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: wants to get into the year. He wants to get 94 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: through this the winter out of it, and then figure out, 95 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, maybe in the spring he's gonna sell his 96 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: house and then buy a new car. And we had 97 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: a great conversation about life in general and car buying 98 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: and things like that. The car had a problem where 99 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: you approached a stop signer a traffic light, and a 100 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: lot of you folks out there driving from nineties six 101 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: seven up through two thousand seven seven eight GM products 102 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: have this particular problem. You'll approach a traffic light or 103 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: stop signing, as you slow down get it under twelve 104 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: miles an hour, you'll feel the the shaker, the vibration 105 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: and the brake pedal, and that's because the vehicle is 106 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: experiencing a false A B S event. What do I 107 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: mean by that? You've got four wheels on the car 108 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: where you're supposed to have four wheels on the car. 109 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: Mostly you keep all four wheels on the ground traveling 110 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: at the same speed at the same time. Anti lock breaks, 111 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: by definition, are engaged or activated when one of those 112 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: wheels starts to lock up. So if you've got four 113 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: wheels and you were stepping on the brakes and the 114 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: right front wheel hits a patch of ice, it's gonna 115 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: be a lot easier for that break to stop that 116 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: wheel from rotating, and it will. It'll lock the wheel 117 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: and the truck could go into a slot. So anti 118 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: lock brakes would see that sudden change of speed and 119 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: instead of applying full force of the break, it would 120 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 1: start to pump the brake and cycle the break. You know, 121 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: just like your mom or dad touch you when you 122 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: were driving when you were a young kid. Uh, you know, 123 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: how did everybody learn how to drive on ice? You 124 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 1: went out into a parking lot and did's did thirty 125 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: miles an hour and stepped on the brakes and spun around, 126 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: and you learned how to counteract and corrective. That's how 127 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: I did it. So ED was getting a full SABS 128 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: event and I listened to the rest of the story. 129 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 1: They put brake lines on the car. They did a 130 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: master cylinder spent almost on an eighteen year old car 131 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: with a quarter million miles and a check engine light 132 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: on and not really enough sheet metal anywhere to make 133 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: it look like one solid car. It wasn't the worst, 134 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: but I've clearly seem much better. You know, it's Friday, 135 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: It's quarter to four that I tell you that part, 136 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: and I'm tired and I'm just trying to get through 137 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,239 Speaker 1: the day. And I said, you know what, I gotta 138 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: help this guy. This guy needs help. You can see it. Uh, 139 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: you know, the universe sent this gentleman to me because 140 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: I think he needs I think he needs to see 141 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: the mechanics can fix cars. So I went out and 142 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: I went for a rod. It was everything I expected 143 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: it to be. I got up to the stop sign 144 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: and just as I'm slowing down, I'm burning the pedal vibrates. Okay, 145 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: so one of the wheel speed sensors is reporting incorrect information. 146 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: It's reporting a false speed signal compared to the other three, 147 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: and the A B S computer is saying there's a 148 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: problem and applying the A B S. It's doing what 149 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: it's learned to do. I got back to the shop, 150 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: I saw it. I said, you know, I can fix 151 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: this temporarily. It would be pretty easy in a sense. 152 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: I said, just unplug one of the wheel speed sensors. 153 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: You ever, like, you know, tell somebody the sky is 154 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: purple and and you know, and it really becomes purple, 155 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: and they look at you and they say, wow, how 156 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: did you do that? And he said, are you serious? 157 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I said, unplug one of the wheel 158 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: speed sensors. And the unplugging on the wheel speed sensors. 159 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: I showed him where it was, and um, you know, 160 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: I took it for a rod and came back and 161 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: he said, wow, it doesn't do it anymore. Said the 162 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: A B S lights on? I said, of course, the 163 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: A B S lights on because the computer can't see 164 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: the signal from the left front sensor, so it now 165 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: puts the system into default and it just you just 166 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: have normal breaks. The vehicle will always operate as if 167 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: you've got regular brakes. And that's by definition, by law, 168 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: by engineering design that any vehicle that has an A 169 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: B S event problem, it's gonna have regular brakes. You're 170 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: gonna have to apply the brake, you know, pump the 171 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: brake in a in a skidding ic situation, and you 172 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: don't think about it. Right, all the cars out there 173 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: with A B S brakes anti lock, if every manufacturer 174 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: didn't put that fault into it, then can you imagine 175 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: all the lawsuits that would have accumulated in terms of, Hey, 176 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: you're onto the A B S light came on and 177 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: I lost my brakes completely. You and I would own 178 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: General Motors, Ford and Chrysler more so than we already do, Toyota, 179 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: Honda and all the rest. So he he was stunned. 180 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: We had a great conversation. I said, didn't your repair 181 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: shop have this conversation with you about what you know? 182 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: He said, no, they just and he said the sad 183 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: part as he goes, I went, I paid for it. 184 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: I took the car for a ride, and I came 185 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: back and I told him the car and the car 186 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: was the car was undrivable. The brake pedal would go 187 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: to the floor and start to vibrate, and you were 188 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:20,959 Speaker 1: playing guests, your best as to whether or not it 189 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: would stop and not hit the car in front of you. 190 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: And yet this repair shop, if that's what you want 191 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: to call it, let that car leave, Let that car 192 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: go down the road. It not only puts them at 193 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: a liability risk, it puts the owner, obviously the driver 194 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: operator of that vehicle at risk, but it puts you 195 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: an I at risk because we're sort of expecting that 196 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: car that's coming up behind us to be able to stop, 197 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: and yet they charged him for this. You know what, 198 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, it would probably be easier for 199 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: half to repair shops in America to get a gun 200 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: in a mask. But they can't do that because gun 201 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: control laws aren't what they are. And maybe that's a 202 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: good thing gun control laws are in place. Bottom line, 203 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: it said what I want you and I said nothing. Brother, 204 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: I said, you got enough going on, and uh, you 205 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: know it's um it's a little as as a little 206 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: sickly and as you know, he can fight it in me. 207 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: He said, you know, I just want my my wife 208 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: to have a vehicle to drive me to the doctor 209 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: in the middle of winter. You know, I need to go. 210 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: He says, I'm getting some operations done and stuff, and uh, 211 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: you know, you could see why God put this guy 212 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: in my repair shop. I mean, you know, it's just 213 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: like this guy was at the end of his rope. 214 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: It was really an Obi wan kenobi moment. He just 215 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: didn't know what to do. He was just you're my 216 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: only hope. I'll wait ten days because I really didn't 217 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: have an appointment yesterday, but I just I carved fifteen 218 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: minutes out of the day. And then he was just stunned. 219 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: He said, gee, you fixed it in fifteen minutes. He goes, 220 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: why couldn't they do that? And I said, I don't know. 221 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: That's my question. Why couldn't they do that? And I 222 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: guess part of my comment to you, and you know, 223 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: maybe I don't see it. I'm a little naive. I 224 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: think repair shops. I think I think there's a lot 225 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: of good repair shops. I don't see the bad. And 226 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: that's something I'm working on. I'm really trying hard to 227 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: see the jerks that are in this industry, because there 228 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: are some. But I'm also trying to point out that 229 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: I think it's the moral obligation of the repair shop 230 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: and a lot of guys out there are trying really hard. 231 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: I look around the classroom and I see guys that 232 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: you know, we're we're banging our head against the wall, 233 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: trying to learn the new stuff and and and figure 234 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: it out and how to make it work and how 235 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: to you know, make a living at it while we're 236 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: making it work. And not all repair shops are bad, 237 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: but wore you get one, and one just louses it 238 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: up for everybody else. But if your repair shop takes 239 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: your money and that vehicle's not fixed, hold their feet 240 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: to the fire. Don't be unreasonable. And I'm not saying 241 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: to go out and attack them, you know, As I 242 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: said to Ed, I said, you know, in my opinion, 243 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: they owe you a repaired vehicle, or they owe you 244 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: the money back. If they can't fix it, then they 245 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: can't fix it. Interestingly, the left front wheel speed sensor 246 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: was brand new, you could see it. The wiring harness 247 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: connector was brand new. And I asked it, Did you 248 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: pay for that? And he said no. They said they 249 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: never charged me. I said, that tells me their their 250 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: hour of desperation. See, I think in my next life, 251 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna become a forensic mechanic, a mechanic detective. Go 252 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: look at the car that somebody tried to fix. Look 253 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: at the repair bill and see if those parts on 254 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: the bill match the parts changed on the vehicle. Because 255 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: you can tell the hour of desperation. You can tell 256 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: when the repair shop is having a Dunkirk moment when 257 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: they know this is it do or die? Give it 258 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: a try. I gotta make it work because they had 259 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: thrown extra parts at this vehicle that they never charged 260 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: them for, and that's when I knew they were in trouble. 261 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: The next time you go into repair shop. The best 262 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: way to avoid problems like this because you knew I 263 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: was going to tell you this. It's a simple sentence. 264 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: Will this fix my problem? And you'll know right away. 265 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: And watch their eyes. Always watch their eyes. You can 266 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: tell a lot about people by looking at them. But 267 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: watch their eyes. Tom, Well, this fix my problem. And 268 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: just watch what his eyes do. And if he starts 269 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: to you know, huh, and shift his weight. And I'm 270 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: not saying there aren't liars out there, and I'm not 271 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: saying there aren't people who are gonna be nervous anyway, 272 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: but you know, you've got to learn to read your 273 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: mechanic because I'm questioning whether or not they can all 274 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: fix everything they say they can fix, because what I'm 275 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: seeing from my seat, I don't see it. And um, 276 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: you know that's the way it was Friday afternoon yesterday 277 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: at Alrio Automotive. It gave me a hug. He said, 278 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: what oh yea, I said nothing, brother, I said, the 279 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 1: universe sent you to me because I said, I think 280 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: you're supposed to. I'm supposed to just try and show 281 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: you that mechanics can fix cars. And it's not that hard. 282 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: It's just try and it's just He said, how did 283 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: you know that unplugged the censor and it would go 284 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: into default. I said, that's the first thing I learned 285 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: to ABS class twenty two years ago, and it was 286 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: the instructor told it to us in the first ten minutes. 287 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: He says, you're gonna see a car that either you 288 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: can't fix it, you don't have the time, or the 289 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 1: customers not gonna be able to leave it. And he said, 290 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: you gotta make it safe. He goes unplug one of 291 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: the censors of what's the system into the default and 292 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: the guy, I'll have regular breaks. I just I don't know. 293 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: I never forgot that. It was only twenty two years ago. 294 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: I can't remember dinner yesterday, but I can remember what 295 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: the guy told me in class twenty two years ago. 296 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: Eight five five zero nine zero zero. Running late, let 297 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: me scoot this segment and come back right after this. 298 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm running. Any in the car Doctor will be here 299 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: to take your calls and open the garage doors. Don't 300 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: go away. I was looking in the love one light 301 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: when my hoy and rise and suddenly, to my surprise, Hey, 302 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: welcome back. Any of the Car Doctor here at zero 303 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. Keep in mind that phone number seven 304 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: that's there all the time. If you need the Car 305 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: Doctor during the week, you can give us a call, 306 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: leave a message and Tom Ray, my executive producer, will 307 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: clay back and get you in the queue in the 308 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: lineup when we can talk to you here on air, 309 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: or you can send me an email ron at card 310 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: Doctor Show dot com. And I still try to answer 311 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: each and everyone and talk to you during the week, 312 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: and um, you know, if you've got an obi wan 313 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: kenobie moment going on like Ed did with this quarter 314 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: million miles suburban, I'll do my best to give you 315 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: some answers. And you know, if you can't wait till Saturday, 316 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: which is when we broadcast this show live here on 317 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: the network Saturday afternoons to to four pm. Let's go 318 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: over and let's kick the garage doors open. Let's go 319 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: talk to Charlie Redbank, New Jersey, and then No. One 320 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: Volvo Charlie, Welcome to the Car Doctor. How can I help? Hey, Ron, 321 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: great to talk to you, a long time listener and 322 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: podcast downloader. Thank you, sir. Yeah, I've got a two 323 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: thousand one Volvo S forty which has only about sixty 324 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: five thousand miles on it. My wife owned it up 325 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: until last year, and uh, she used it and I 326 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: sort of inherited it. Uh. It has a severe shutter 327 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: or shaking pretty much right at the six seventy mile 328 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: per hour mark, and the dealer wants us to replace 329 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: the shocks and motor mounts. And frankly, even though I'm 330 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: not a season mechanic, it doesn't quite make sense to 331 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: me the cup. The clues that I think might be 332 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: helpful to you is I find the stirring wheel does 333 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: not shake, which seems to a rule out tire of 334 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: balance or alignment. And coming into work this morning, I 335 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: was going down the hill at sixty five miles per 336 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: hour with the car and neutral which Chris drastically slowed 337 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: down the RPMs and the shuttering really wasn't affected by that. 338 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: So to me, that kind of rolls out the engine mounts. 339 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: So is it? So's it sounds like it's really worse 340 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: underload or under acceleration. I find that if if I'm 341 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: going sixty miles per hour and accelerate or take my 342 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: foot off the great gas, it doesn't really seem to 343 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: effected right much. It just seems to be a function 344 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: of the speed. So it's it's more speed related, it's 345 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: it's just there at Yeah, I know the most of 346 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: the information and discussions on the internet talk in terms 347 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: of CV joints and drive shaft so that's yeah. And 348 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: there are there are more than a few axle issues 349 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: with these cars. It's not it's not completely uncommon. Now, 350 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: that's that's not to say, and let's just eliminate the obvious. 351 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 1: I mean, it is, it's a two thousand one, so 352 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: what is it sixteen seventeen years old? That's that's that's 353 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: not to say it can't have a bad motor mount 354 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: or transmount and all that's possible, and maybe that's what 355 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: the tech saw first, and you know he's following fixed 356 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: what you know is bad and then move on to 357 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: the next thing conversation and you know it's it's it's possible, 358 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: and there's some obviously some easy power. Break it forward 359 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: and reverse to the mounts, shift to the mount's change. Um, 360 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, just to see what sort of reaction they have. Uh, 361 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: you know there's another thing they can do, is how 362 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: about just loosening up the motor mounts and put it 363 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: in part, put in drive, kind of wiggle the motor 364 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: around a little bit, tighten everything. I'll take it for 365 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: a right, Does that change anything? If the mounts themselves 366 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: aren't physic we damaged and that's clearly something they contrived 367 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: before they spent three thousand dollars on. Might be tell 368 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: you what, stick around, Charlie, just to have a seat. 369 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: Let me pull over and take this pause. We'll continue 370 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: this conversation. I'm moderating the card doctor. We're back right 371 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: after this Bombas for heavy fog, these just to be gone, 372 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: but just included. Ronan Tracula and his son, welcome back 373 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: the car doctor here. You know where we must be 374 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: getting closer to the holidays because we're doing a bunch 375 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: of giveaways this week. We're doing the Launch Scan tool, 376 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: the Millennium seventy giveaway, either next week or the week after. 377 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: I'm just looking at my sheets here. We're going to 378 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: be giving away a Predator to courtesy the folks at 379 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: Diablo Sport, and the Predator to will help you take 380 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: your particular vehicle and tune it and chip it and 381 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: make it run better and do what you want to 382 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: do from the draw receipt. And we'll talk about that 383 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: a little bit later on. And I think we can 384 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: give Tony away. Um, I don't want to give Tony away. 385 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: I like Tony. Well, come on, where we're giving things away? 386 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: I mean, what the heck? Well, where will we give him? 387 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: I don't know who would want them? Oh, some some 388 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: some lovely lady with the car problem. You know, maybe 389 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: we could put Tony up there for date night. Alright, 390 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: when a date with Tony America's sexiest board operator. Okay, 391 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: back to real radio. Let's get back to Charlie. Charlie, 392 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: you're still there, sir. You see what I have to 393 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: put up with every week, and I still fix cars. 394 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: It's it's amazing, isn't it Um, so, you know, talking 395 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: about the Volvo and the vibration, you know, maybe it's 396 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: got bad mounts and and and I could, I could, 397 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 1: I could argue, you know, bad mount, good mount. But 398 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: obviously it's pretty simple to check it. Let's just see 399 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: what sort of shape the mounts are in. It's something 400 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: you can physically test. I would also want to take 401 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: a look at and just verify the rest of the 402 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: front suspension. You know, control arm bushings in particular very 403 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: common to fail. They fall out of the control arm 404 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: on those cars, and you know it could be related 405 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: to that, So mounts, anything rubber related, suspension related that sense. Yeah, 406 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: let's take a look at it all right, front shots, 407 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: you know, are they leaking? Do they clunk? You know, 408 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: if you give it the bounce test, how does it feel? 409 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: You know, still a tried and true way to test 410 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: those things. And if it passes those I don't see 411 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: how they're going to affect a shimmy like you're describing, right, 412 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't It doesn't make any sense to me. Now. 413 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: You know, do they have axle issues? Yeah, they've they've 414 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: got a lot of axle issues. Um, The first question 415 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: I'd want to know is where the axles ever replaced? 416 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: Or is this an original car? Low mileage? Well, I've 417 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: owned it since it was new, so uh, you know 418 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: that my wife drove it just around town, so you know, 419 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: I know it's only got six it right, then you 420 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: know on the assumption that there were original axles, because 421 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: sometimes I've seen some of the replacement afters axles in 422 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: the aftermarket are just junk and they create problems just 423 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: like this too, because they're worn, and then they're allegedly 424 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: rebuilt and they're not, and they go back in the car, 425 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: and you know, three weeks later, three months later, you 426 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: end up with a problem. So the question then becomes, 427 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: if you were to take this car for a ride, 428 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: create the condition you know, duplicated through your sixty is 429 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,959 Speaker 1: it's stronger on one side versus the other? Do you 430 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: feel it more on the left than the right? And 431 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: as much as you're tempted to try judging it sitting 432 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: in the driver's seat while you're driving the car, because 433 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure you go out after we get off the 434 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: air and drive the car six if I put your 435 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: hand on the right seat and go, no, I feel 436 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: it more over here. You know where your body is 437 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, you really need to be on the passenger 438 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: side to feel it there, and then you need to 439 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: be on the driver's side to feel it there. Uh 440 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, but I would also really consider axles. Axles 441 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: are not an unusual form of failure on these cars. 442 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: And then last, like you heard me in the open, 443 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 1: you were on the air on hold during the open. 444 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: Look the guy right in the eye, is this gonna 445 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: fix my car? Do you guarantee this is gonna fix 446 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: my car? And if he you know, gives you the 447 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: you know, the stutter and the stair and the feet shuffle, 448 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: they're guessing and that's you know, it's just the bottom line, 449 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. Great. Yeah, you're welcome, 450 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: let me let me know what happens. And then then again, 451 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: don't be afraid to get a second opinion. Take it 452 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: to another mechanic. If is this the Volvo dealer had 453 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: they be the ones working on the car since it 454 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: was new. Yeah, and you know, typical dealer in my opinion. 455 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: They just throw these high cost items at you and uh, 456 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: you know, if it doesn't fix the problem, they just 457 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: tell you they found something else wrong. Well, you know, 458 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: it's it's it seems that order repairs is a business 459 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: where there's not a lot of accountability, and um, I 460 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 1: think accountability. If you find a repair shop that's got 461 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: accountability and take responsibility for what's going on and you're 462 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: reasonable to deal with, I think you found a good 463 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: show up. I had a customer two weeks ago, three 464 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: weeks ago. Um, I forget why he ended up there. 465 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: The car broke on a Saturday. I wasn't around, or 466 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: the car broke when he was on the road, and 467 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: he get toad, I think is what it turned out 468 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: to be. Oh no, I'm sorry. I went into the 469 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: Honda dealer for a recall. You know, that's something I 470 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: don't really talk a lot about, but boy, these Air 471 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: big recalls are really making these dealers. I mean, just 472 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: the crazy things that are going on. He walked out 473 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: of there after the Air Big recall thanks to the 474 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: folks at Takata, with an estimate for fourteen thousand dollars 475 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: worth of repairs on a two thousand four Honda accord. 476 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: Fourteen thousand dollars. I mean, it's it's staggering. Who would 477 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: take the time, who would Who would you know, Charlie, 478 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: would you know Charlie, here's your O one Volvo. He 479 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: needs fourteen thousand dollars worth of repairs. You're gonna die 480 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: on the floor laughing, and you're gonna ever really consider it, 481 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: do you? Right? Um? I saw the estimate. It's nuts. 482 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: It's they want to put a transmission in the car. 483 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: They want to do a bunch of things to the car. 484 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: That it's just it's just because you know, it's so 485 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: you know what. It comes back to the relationship and 486 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: the sentence, will this fix my car? That's what repairing 487 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: cars is all about. Today. Try that, let me know 488 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: what happens. So all right, sir, appreciate it. You're welcome, Charlie, thanks, 489 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate you. Let me have the time, 490 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: Um long call. Sorry about that, folks. But and will 491 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: it fix the car? I don't know. You know, he's 492 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: gonna have his own obi wan kenobi moment coming up. 493 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: I can see it if he's not careful. Let's go 494 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: and talk to Tim and Flint Michigan. Oh seven Chevy 495 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: and palette. Tim, you're on with the car doctor. How 496 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: can I help, sir? Yes, sir, how can I help? Yeah? 497 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: Pala this week a week to check in and like 498 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: come on, and then it goes off on and off. 499 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: So okay, last night, yesterday afternoon, I had a stand 500 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: by a car park store, which is a start, and 501 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: I got a two codes. One is a p O 502 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: eight e c T you know. The next one is 503 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: a p O seven bank sensor um cards wanting to 504 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: find you and find I'm reading I'm rating up on 505 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: these two codes and it's a rich lean fuel situation. 506 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: And I guess before I take it in they actually 507 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: have it repaired. I kind of want to get insight. 508 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: Is one code affecting the other? Or is two separate 509 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: situation two separate parts. I just have two codes, one 510 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: back to back. Fair fair question and a good question. 511 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: There's a there's a reasonable chance that the one can 512 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: be creating the one thirty seven, And I'll tell you 513 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: how one thirty seven is low sensor output signal from 514 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 1: the bank too, I'm sorry, from from the downstream bank 515 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: one O two censor all right, So if it's not 516 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: them up properly, you know it's the old story. How 517 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: well do you work getting at a bed first thing 518 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: in the morning, right? You know you gotta be warmed 519 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: up and get your muscles going and you know, do 520 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: your thing. You know, that's that's part of what the 521 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: sensor is looking to do. In two censor has to 522 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: hit a heat span and and and wake up and 523 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: bang here I am. That's why they added heaters to 524 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: O two censors twenty years ago to get them to 525 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: work faster. Um. So, you know, is clearly a fault 526 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: with coolant temp. It's seemed coolant temp below speck for 527 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: too long a period of time. Typical on these cars 528 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: and not unusual on these cars, would be that it's 529 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: it's it's a thermostat issue, very common, all right. And 530 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: one of the things I would you know, as part 531 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: of the diagnosis would be, you know, on the chance 532 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: that this car, this car have a temperature gauge, okay, 533 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, does the temperature gauge seem like it's in 534 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: the normal position. How fast does it take to get there? 535 00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 1: A long time? Okay? So long? So this car probably 536 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: has a bad thermostat. Not would would not be unusual, 537 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: all right. And you know, here's a case where a 538 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: scan tool would be a wonderful tool because you know, 539 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: plug it in, bring up cool intemp and watch it. 540 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: You should see a minimum of a hundred and sixty 541 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: five to seventy degrees within the first six to eight minutes. 542 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: That's a typical spec. And you know that's what you're 543 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: looking for. And I'm willing to bet it probably takes 544 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: this car ten minutes to get to a hundred and 545 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: sixty degrees from your description, and right away that's gonna 546 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: set O B D two fault. And you know, because 547 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: if the engines running too cold, think of the old days, right, 548 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: if you ever drove a car with a carburetor and 549 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: a choke, This car is running on choke. It's and 550 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: that's a no note, right, choke made the car run richer. 551 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: Low cool intent makes the car run richer, increases emissions, 552 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: Catalytic converters work harder, fuel economy goes down, pollution levels 553 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: go up, you know, so they're they're they're chasing clean 554 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: air and all those other things. So you know, I 555 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: would work on and you know, get a thermostat and 556 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: you know, decent quality and make sure you use a 557 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: good quality you know, either either O We out of 558 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: the manufacturer, motor Rat makes a great thermostat. If you've 559 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: got a local Oraileyoto parts by you get over to 560 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: Oraillyoto parts and pick up a motor rat thermostat and uh, 561 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: you know that's oequality now, and you know that'll work 562 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: just fine if that's what it needs. And then clear 563 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: the code and give it a shot and see what 564 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: happens as far as you know, does the one thirty 565 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: seven come back? Now while you've got the scan tool 566 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: hooked up? You know, the nice thing here is this 567 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: is a this is a V six, is a three five. 568 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: So with a good scan tool you could bring up 569 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: both down stream O two sensors. There should be four 570 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: on this car, if memory serves me correct. And the 571 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: nice thing there is you can take the one from 572 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,239 Speaker 1: Bank one of the one from Bank to stick them 573 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: up on a graph situation. And here's where you would 574 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: graph a sensor and look at them. Do they both 575 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: come up to activity level at the same time or 576 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: approximately the same time? Do they both have the same 577 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: activity level? Sometimes when you sit there and say and 578 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure you do it, I do it, everybody does it. Hey, 579 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: I've got you know this widget is bad. I wonder 580 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: what a good one looks like. The first thought I've 581 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: got is is there another one on the car? Okay? 582 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: You know, is there another one on the car that 583 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: I can compare it to. Yeah. Look it's got a 584 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: bank one and a bank two oh two center downstream. 585 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: Let's compare one to the other. And you know, and 586 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: just just be mindfully aware that I could have two 587 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: bad parts in the same car. So I'm aware of that. 588 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes it's just as easy as that. 589 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: So those are those are some of the things you 590 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: gotta do, brother, and from there we can talk again. 591 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: If we have to, let me let me throw a 592 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: quick question, because I'll tell you. I'll tell you what. Tim. 593 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: Then before we do that, let me just pull over 594 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: and take this poise and then I come back and 595 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: can give you some time and we'll we'll go from there. 596 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: So sit tight. I'm running at the car doctor. We're 597 00:29:51,160 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: coming back right after this. Everything's cool. H Who you 598 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: living to smash? Which men too? When you get tomorrow 599 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: door tell them the car doctor, welcome back. We're on 600 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: the end of the car. Let's get back to Tim 601 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,239 Speaker 1: in Michigan. Tim, you had one more question. How can 602 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: I help? Yeah? Long, I'll make a long story short, 603 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: flat out. I love cars, have anything to do with them. 604 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: I've been around him all my life. I did a 605 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: little bumping paint work. I did detail work. Uh, I'm 606 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: fifty years old. I've I've raised my family. They're gone. 607 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm watching this comes back to your show what you 608 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: talked about before. I'm watching the ads. I'm a little 609 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: bit in a job hunting situation. I never never have 610 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: been a mechanic as far as certified and trained, but 611 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: I've always been around him. I love it. I just 612 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: never really had the opportunity to do it. Raising families 613 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: and uh, the whole thing. Yeah, life gets in the 614 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: way sometimes, right, And that's exactly what it did for me. 615 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: I lost two good jobs. So I'm kind of back 616 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: into so detail and again, I love it. It's fine. 617 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: I always look down at mechanics grow and think, man, 618 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: I want to do that. I wanted to do that. 619 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: I think I think I'm trainable. But here's the question. 620 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: I'm looking online. They're begging everywhere for for text everywhere 621 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: now and now they have sign on bonuses, and now 622 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: more than ever they have a training program for They 623 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: bring you in mainly dealer show. You work with a 624 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: guy from reading about a year and then you're start 625 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: get your certifications. And now they've they've built their next check. 626 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: I know there's involved in me. I gotta buy two 627 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: more tools and specific stuff. But do you think at 628 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 1: this stage in the game on a personal level? And 629 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: fifty do you think the stage of game? I can 630 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: do it or you know? I know I can do 631 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: it in my mind? But is it reasonable? Is a 632 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: sound reasonable? Do you you ever want to play a 633 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: musical instrument? I have a guitar? Did you want to 634 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: get better at it? Sure? Did you ever try? I tried? 635 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: Are you better at it? I had let that go 636 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: to a little bit, But you're satisfied because you tried, right, 637 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: and it doesn't haunt you. One thing I've learned about life. 638 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: When you see something you want, if you don't try, 639 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: it haunts you. And you know what, brother, never be 640 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: afraid to learn. I'm sixty one. I start a cross 641 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: fit this week, all right. I'm there with kids twenty 642 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: five years old. They're all looking at me. Who's the 643 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: old man? I can't keep up with them? But you 644 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: know what, I got them looking over their shoulder. And 645 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: sometimes that's all it takes, all right. Sometimes that's all 646 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: you need in life, is just to get people to 647 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: look over their shoulders, all right, you know my my 648 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: my orchestra is under the hood. I know where my 649 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 1: strengths are. Um, you may never be another may all right, 650 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you can't be, but I'm just saying, 651 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: you know what, it's not too bad to make me 652 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: look over my shoulder either, because I'll always be looking 653 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: at who's coming up next. So don't be afraid to try. Brother, 654 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: get back to school, go find somebody whole training you 655 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: by all means, I would tell you to do it. 656 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: And you know what, five years from now, Leman, know 657 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: how much you're enjoying the industry, and um, you know 658 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: it's it's never too late. It's never too late. Like 659 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: Rocky Balboa said, it ain't over till it's over. That's 660 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: my new T shirt. By the way, I'm roning Anading 661 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. I'm coming back right after this. I'm 662 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: I'm talking you come back, Hey, ron any of the 663 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,479 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. Yeah, how sad? Right? Fats Domino and I'm 664 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: Benson Robert Uh home from Benson Uh. And it's it's 665 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: weird right, both of them were eighty nine. Um we 666 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: lost both of them this week. Just really two hugely 667 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: talented people and um, you know with with with great 668 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: respect and sadness. Quick piece of email. Hey Ron, a 669 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: long time listener. I was listening last week when you 670 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: when the person wrote in and spoke to you about 671 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: the coolant leak on their car from Missouri, the school teacher, 672 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: and you recommended using a product called case seal. I 673 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: was surprised to hear that. I didn't think you were 674 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 1: a mechanic and a can type of mechanic. And I'd 675 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: like to know what you really think about that product, 676 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: and I have some questions. Fred in Illinois, Fred, you 677 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: know what k seal is really a great product. Okay, 678 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: we've been using it in the shop for a while now. 679 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: As I've pointed out, we had it this week. We 680 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: had a two thousand eleven Dodge Caravan hundred and nine 681 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: thousand miles on it. It had a coolant leak. It 682 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: had a coolant leak from the thermostat gasket and the 683 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: water pump gasket. And a lot of the gaskets today 684 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: are hard shim and there's a little rubber beat on them, 685 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: and it's not that the gasket has broken or deteriorated, 686 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: it's just collapsed. Just to smitche everything is a is 687 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: a very microscopic seal or you know, the ability to 688 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: seal in that sense. Now, to take apart of that 689 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: water pump and thermostat housing is you know seven repair. 690 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,759 Speaker 1: Whereas a bottle of K seal um more information at 691 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: k sal dot com. A bottle of K seal cooling 692 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: system seal, it poured it in. Leaks are gone, no 693 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: other damn it's to the vehicle. Vehicle will roll on 694 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: and I have to make major repairs to an older 695 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: vehicle that you know it's got some other issues. So 696 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: I save the guy some money. So there is a 697 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: place for using a product like case. Hell, i'minating the 698 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: car doctor. The mechanics aren't expensive to their priceless