Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning,
Speaker 1: This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's
Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of
Speaker 1: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they
Speaker 1: take their days from great to awesome and any advice
Speaker 1: they have for the rest of us. So today I
Speaker 1: am delighted to welcome Carl Pauline to the show. Carl
Speaker 1: is the host of the Your Time, Your Way podcast.
Speaker 1: He also teaches productivity courses, among other things. So, Carl,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, why didn't you tell our listeners a little
Speaker 1: bit about yourself?
Speaker 2: Well, I think the most surprising thing is is that
Speaker 2: I originally come from the United Kingdom, but have lived
Speaker 2: in Korea now South Korea for twenty two twenty two years,
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty three years, yes, twenty three years. This year.
Speaker 2: I only came for one year. I just came to
Speaker 2: teach English. I needed to time out. I trained to
Speaker 2: be a lawyer and then I went to work in
Speaker 2: a law office and that was my first experience of
Speaker 2: working in an office, and I felt like I was
Speaker 2: a prisoner, you know. I had to be there from
Speaker 2: nine till well, it's usually eight thirty till six thirty pm.
Speaker 2: You were allowed out for lunch, but the rest of
Speaker 2: the time there was an office manager. And it was
Speaker 2: perfectly normal, by the way, at the end of nineteen nineties,
Speaker 2: early two thousands for this to happen. And I really
Speaker 2: genuinely felt I'm in day release prison here. So because
Speaker 2: my previous jobs had been in hotel management, car sales,
Speaker 2: and you know, in those jobs you just run around
Speaker 2: all day. You weren't tied to a desk, and so
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, I need some time out because I
Speaker 2: do I really want to spend the rest of my
Speaker 2: career being tied to a desk. And I came to
Speaker 2: career and that's twenty three years ago last month, and yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no chance of going back now. I found my
Speaker 2: forte if you like I. I fell in love with teaching,
Speaker 2: and I knew that within three months that was really
Speaker 2: what my vacate vocation was. And I've never stopped since.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I love. I love that you, you know,
Speaker 1: were able to change in the middle of life and
Speaker 1: figure out what you wanted to do. And I'm also
Speaker 1: really appreciative that you are talking at me with you
Speaker 1: at eleven PM your time, which is during business hours
Speaker 1: on the East coast of the United States. Definitely challenging
Speaker 1: to connect with that. But you know, you've had such
Speaker 1: a varied career, like you said, car sales, hotel, teaching,
Speaker 1: English law. I'm sure that you've picked up on little
Speaker 1: things from all of these, right, I mean, there's lessons
Speaker 1: you've taken from all these as you're teaching now.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean I think my first I mean I
Speaker 2: fell in love with time management productivity was in middle school.
Speaker 2: I used to I used to before computers and Excel
Speaker 2: and stuff when I was at school. So it used
Speaker 2: to be an a blank piece of a four paper
Speaker 2: I'd write out a timetable for studying for when my
Speaker 2: exams were coming. And I was absolutely fantastic at making
Speaker 2: those timetables, but just terrible at revising. But that was
Speaker 2: really where I just became fascinated with time and time management.
Speaker 2: I also think I was quite lucky because I was.
Speaker 2: I had a teacher at school who got me into
Speaker 2: cross country running. Now most people hate that, but I
Speaker 2: just maybe it's because I'm probably more introverted. So the
Speaker 2: team sports. Yeah, I was okay at but they weren't
Speaker 2: really where I excelled. As soon as I started running,
Speaker 2: it was wow. I just fell in love with it.
Speaker 2: And then I became quite a competitive athlete, running for
Speaker 2: my county, which I think in the US would be state,
Speaker 2: and that taught me. And again I was given like
Speaker 2: training schedules from my coaches, so I at a very
Speaker 2: early age I was I learned very quickly that actually
Speaker 2: the calendar as we use it today, but the schedule
Speaker 2: was always going to be the most important thing in life.
Speaker 2: And then when I got working in the car sales,
Speaker 2: I was very lucky because when of the first my
Speaker 2: first real general manager, I mean, he was probably it
Speaker 2: still is to this day, the most organized person I've
Speaker 2: ever met. And again this was before we had all
Speaker 2: the digital productivity tools we have, So it was this
Speaker 2: wonderful a four leather bound desk diary that I just
Speaker 2: fell in love with, and I went and bought myself one,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it taught me a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you say that because that you were
Speaker 1: drawn to productivity tools early on. I think you've also
Speaker 1: talked about having you can correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Here at ADHD that as an adult, you know, you
Speaker 1: found out and a lot of people who grow up
Speaker 1: with that are not necessarily drawn to productivity tools. They
Speaker 1: see it as something of a more foreign car I think.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean, I'm very lucky because ADHD wasn't
Speaker 2: a thing was out school. I'm so glad that I
Speaker 2: actually learned coping mechanisms without being told this is the
Speaker 2: medicine you should take, because I probably would have believed them.
Speaker 2: And so I developed coping mechanisms very very early on
Speaker 2: in life, which means that there's no point in me
Speaker 2: going to see doctors ABOUTD. I know I've got it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just read my school reports. It's pretty clear.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I can get easily distracted. But what I
Speaker 2: do notice, though, is that to me, the ADHD is
Speaker 2: a superpower because I can I know now how to
Speaker 2: engage it in order to get really focused on a project,
Speaker 2: for example, that I'm working on, because just before I
Speaker 2: went away, I was running close to a deadline for
Speaker 2: a course I wanted to get out, and I just
Speaker 2: I just thought, right, this is where ADHD is going
Speaker 2: to be my best friend. And yeah, for about forty
Speaker 2: eight hours I was completely zoned in. Nothing was going
Speaker 2: to pull me away from it. And I'm so glad
Speaker 2: I've got ADHD. I actually think it's the number of
Speaker 2: people have got it. It's probably actually abnormal not to
Speaker 2: have it, you know, because so many people have variations
Speaker 2: of it. I think in many respects it's probably quite normal.
Speaker 2: But as I say, it's to me, it's my superpower.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And by learning the coping techniques of planning out
Speaker 1: your schedules for long term things, and I'm sure having
Speaker 1: the cross country running as a way to burn off
Speaker 1: some energy, those are probably a great combination.
Speaker 2: That's why exercise is still a huge. If I'm not exercising,
Speaker 2: everything starts falling about I don't. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 2: going out running, you know, ten miles a day or
Speaker 2: anything like that anymore, but you know, at least thirty
Speaker 2: forty minutes a day, I need to be doing some excising.
Speaker 2: I'm lucky I have a dog as well, so he
Speaker 2: needs an hour Yeah walking, Well, we will.
Speaker 1: Get mad in a minute. We're definitely going to talk
Speaker 1: about exercise. I wanted to ask you though, I think
Speaker 1: I was reading of one of your ideas that you
Speaker 1: talk about this time based productivity, And you've talked about
Speaker 1: this issue like it's the problem with the modern world.
Speaker 1: Like in the past, when you had to do a
Speaker 1: great many things, you had to actually go somewhere to
Speaker 1: do them right. And so obviously going somewhere takes some
Speaker 1: amount of time, Like you can't fool yourself that you
Speaker 1: can instantly be at the store or be at this
Speaker 1: appointment or whatever else. You had to go there, so
Speaker 1: you had to build in the time for it, Whereas
Speaker 1: now a lot of the things we do could be
Speaker 1: done whenever we have complete flexibility to choose them, and
Speaker 1: so people don't necessarily allocate adequate time to them. Am
Speaker 1: I understanding that correctly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one of the things this probably came
Speaker 2: about about ten years ago when I sort of like
Speaker 2: came up with my email processing system, if you like,
Speaker 2: and I realized that actually the number of emails I
Speaker 2: get per day is probably about one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: something like that. Of that, probably forty require me to
Speaker 2: take some action. Now I've got a choice here. I
Speaker 2: could just ignore that and let it build up. Well,
Speaker 2: tomorrow it'll be eighty, the day after that it'd be
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty. I'm never going to have time
Speaker 2: to sit down and deal with one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: actionable emails, no chance. But forty, I calculated, takes me
Speaker 2: around about fifty minutes to an hour. I mean, forty
Speaker 2: is just I mean some days it will be twenty.
Speaker 2: Today it was probably about fifteen because you know it's
Speaker 2: Sunday night for me, not I don't get that many.
Speaker 2: But so I now allocate it just an hour a day,
Speaker 2: and I call it to my communication time. Now, if
Speaker 2: I don't clear all those forty emails today, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter because tomorrow the oldest because I reverse the order,
Speaker 2: so the oldest is at the top, not the bottom.
Speaker 2: So I'm not cherry picking. So tomorrow, I just know
Speaker 2: if I start at the top, nobody is ever really
Speaker 2: going to be waiting longer than say, twenty four hours
Speaker 2: for reply. And it's worked solidly for ten years now,
Speaker 2: and it started probably ten years ago. I was probably
Speaker 2: only getting about thirty to thirty five emails a day,
Speaker 2: so I've had to increase the time I spend doing it.
Speaker 2: But I'm quite happy to an hour after that. Nah,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to spend more than an hour on communications.
Speaker 2: But I know that again, I've got an hour tomorrow
Speaker 2: and a day after, so I'm relaxed about it. Never
Speaker 2: worries me. There's always some little caveats, you know, if
Speaker 2: anyone's got if there's a money issue, or there's a
Speaker 2: somebody can't log into their account on my learning center. Sure,
Speaker 2: I'm going to deal with that as soon as I
Speaker 2: seal that email. But it only takes me like two
Speaker 2: minutes to deal with. But the rest of the emails, yeah,
Speaker 2: they'll wait until my usually about four o'clock in the
Speaker 2: evening afternoon when I sit down and just do my
Speaker 2: actionable email. But that taught me. I thought, Okay, if
Speaker 2: I can spend an hour on communications, what about allocating
Speaker 2: time for other categories of work that I have to do,
Speaker 2: whether it's you know, I usually have three hours set
Speaker 2: aside for recording YouTube videos. I have probably about six
Speaker 2: hours a week set aside for writing. And it's now
Speaker 2: so much Mondy Today Monday is brilliant because this morning
Speaker 2: obviously my evening time. Now I didn't have to think
Speaker 2: about what am I going to do now, it's just oh,
Speaker 2: it's Monday's writing day. So this morning I spent think
Speaker 2: about two two and a half hours of writing, got
Speaker 2: most of my writing done. I'm happy with that.
Speaker 1: Excellent. All right, Well, we're going to take a quick
Speaker 1: ad break and then i'll be back with more from
Speaker 1: Carl Poline. Well, I am back talking with Carl Pouline,
Speaker 1: who is the host of the Your Time, Your Way
Speaker 1: podcast productivity expert as well. So another exercise that you
Speaker 1: have talked about as I was reading the description for
Speaker 1: your recent course is the perfect week calendar? What is
Speaker 1: the perfect week calendar?
Speaker 2: Right now? This is because most Now, just to go
Speaker 2: about a little bit of history, one of I was
Speaker 2: introduced to something called the Franklin Planner in the early
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties, probably around about ninety three ninety four. Now,
Speaker 2: part of that you get sent on a training The
Speaker 2: company I was working for sent me on a training
Speaker 2: course and the first day I had nothing to do
Speaker 2: with time management. I'm going I'm host to be here
Speaker 2: to learn about time management. Why are we talking about
Speaker 2: governing values? What's important to you? And the lens the
Speaker 2: way the lens you look at the world through and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Now, back then, I'm in my early twenties.
Speaker 2: It probably went over my head a little bit, but
Speaker 2: I did start writing out what I felt at the
Speaker 2: time was my governing values. Weirdly, when I look at
Speaker 2: them today, I'm going, wow, ninety percent of them are
Speaker 2: still true today. And the Perfect Week calendar is essentially
Speaker 2: a step up from that. It's like, Okay, this is
Speaker 2: all the stuff that's important to me, and if I
Speaker 2: don't define that, what does that actually mean at a
Speaker 2: task level, It's just going to never get dealt with.
Speaker 2: I'm just not going to be dealing with it, because,
Speaker 2: as you mentioned before, today's world stuff is just coming
Speaker 2: at you twenty four seven. But if you know what's
Speaker 2: important to you, you can then quickly filter out the
Speaker 2: less important stuff. So the Perfect week calendar is about saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: I want this amount of time per week to exercise.
Speaker 2: I want this amount of time per week to spend
Speaker 2: with my family, because we have family time. So there
Speaker 2: was something I read, oh a long time ago now
Speaker 2: about Michael Dell when his kids were young and he's
Speaker 2: building a big computer empire. He would always be home,
Speaker 2: I think by six pm, to have a family dinner
Speaker 2: at seven, and then he would play with his kids,
Speaker 2: and then at nine pm he'd go to his home
Speaker 2: office and deal with any remaining stuff that he had
Speaker 2: to deal with. I was thinking, wow, that's three hours
Speaker 2: every single day where he has said that's it. It's
Speaker 2: now family time blocked off. Nobody gets it's my attention
Speaker 2: except my family. I know that Gary Vaynerchuk does it
Speaker 2: as well. You know, he's always home for family dinner
Speaker 2: time with the kids, and then he will maybe go
Speaker 2: out and have a business meeting later in the evening.
Speaker 2: And I realize that that means, you know, to me,
Speaker 2: family time is also important. So it's in my calendar
Speaker 2: because if whatever goes on the calendar gets done. That's
Speaker 2: my philosophy. So you can design the perfect week, and
Speaker 2: you do it for your personal life first, and then
Speaker 2: you do it for your work life. What's important at work?
Speaker 2: What's your core work? What are you employed to do?
Speaker 2: Make sure that you've got time set aside each week
Speaker 2: for that, because if you don't, your calendar will fill
Speaker 2: up with meetings. And if you're spending you know, if
Speaker 2: you work a typical four hour forty hour week and
Speaker 2: thirty five hours are spent in meetings, when are you
Speaker 2: going to do your work? So you've got to start
Speaker 2: getting When you do that perfect week, you get to
Speaker 2: realize just how much time you got. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well we'll always talk about there one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty eight hours in a week, so you know, if
Speaker 1: there are a lot of hours for doing various things,
Speaker 1: but you have to know what you're doing with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: And another exercise that you also are teaching to people
Speaker 1: is a five minute daily planning session. So I saw
Speaker 1: that you promised that we could plan for our days
Speaker 1: in under five minutes, which sounds exciting to me. So
Speaker 1: tell me how I am planning my day in less
Speaker 1: than five minutes.
Speaker 2: Well, this again comes back to just dealing with reality.
Speaker 2: The first place you look at is your calendar, where
Speaker 2: are your appointments for the day, because that's going to
Speaker 2: tell you how much time you've got to do tasks.
Speaker 2: So if you've got seven hours of back to back meetings,
Speaker 2: forget tasks, you're not going to do them. You might
Speaker 2: be lucky to get to your communications, but you're probably
Speaker 2: going to be eating, drinking coffee, or just exhausted. But
Speaker 2: if you don't start with your calendar and start with
Speaker 2: a to do list, you could easily write eighteen nineteen
Speaker 2: tasks or got to do this. We've got to do that,
Speaker 2: got to do this, and then you look at your
Speaker 2: calendar and go, oh, shoot, I've got six hours of
Speaker 2: meetings today as well. Your day is destroyed. So I
Speaker 2: have this why call the daily planning sequence, which is
Speaker 2: first look at your calendar that will tell you how
Speaker 2: much time you've got left for doing to do or
Speaker 2: tasks and then build what I call realistic things that
Speaker 2: you have to do, and then prioritize that list. Now,
Speaker 2: this is stolen completely from the Franklin Planner system. It's
Speaker 2: they you know, they say ten to fifteen minutes planning
Speaker 2: and solitude. With the digital tools that we have today,
Speaker 2: because a lot of tasks and we can set up
Speaker 2: to recur and stuff on our calendar can recur, you
Speaker 2: can actually reduce that down to easily five minutes now,
Speaker 2: and you just get into the habit of doing that
Speaker 2: every day. Now. I say to people, do this the
Speaker 2: night before, because you'll sleep better, You'll be you won't
Speaker 2: wake up us off and go oh I've got to
Speaker 2: do this. Oh go that you'll just be more relaxed
Speaker 2: in the evening. The other thing is is the next
Speaker 2: day you're ready to start. There's none of that. Oh
Speaker 2: what do I need to do today, and that just
Speaker 2: slows you down. It just bangs straight into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So do you have any routines that make
Speaker 1: you more productive? I know you are a frequent exerciser.
Speaker 1: That is something you do, but you do it not
Speaker 1: in the morning, which I know a lot of our
Speaker 1: listeners in a podcast called Before Breakfast our morning exercisers.
Speaker 1: But that's not you.
Speaker 2: No, I've never been a morning I tried it, and
Speaker 2: I never It just doesn't seem to work very well
Speaker 2: for me. I prefer to excise mid in the afternoon,
Speaker 2: and the moment, we're in the summer now, so it's
Speaker 2: hot and humid. It's in the nineties and it's probably
Speaker 2: eighty percent humidity out there, so it's not pleasant. So
Speaker 2: I tend to do it now early evening. But it's
Speaker 2: only like two or three months of the year where
Speaker 2: it gets ridiculously hot. So the rest of the time
Speaker 2: I'll do my excise mid afternoon. And what I find
Speaker 2: there is it's just a nice break. So I'll get
Speaker 2: down to doing like focused work in the morning, and
Speaker 2: then I'll do some errands, then I'll do my exercise,
Speaker 2: and then I'll come back because I work in the evenings,
Speaker 2: so I basically what most people do in the evenings,
Speaker 2: I do in the afternoon. Yeah. Yeah, so I split
Speaker 2: my day and it works well for me, well.
Speaker 1: Certainly, I mean with being I mean overseas. I'm sure
Speaker 1: from a lot of the people that you're working with,
Speaker 1: there's the time zone issue for you, so you kind
Speaker 1: of have to use your evening hours because that's work
Speaker 1: hours it is.
Speaker 2: So my days will start, I mean, my work days
Speaker 2: generally start eight thirty and I'll work up until about
Speaker 2: eleven thirty twelve, So I do intermittent fasting as well,
Speaker 2: so that will be my kind of first meal of
Speaker 2: the day. Then then it's usually as I say, errands,
Speaker 2: dog walking, exercise, and then usually I come back and
Speaker 2: do my email later in the afternoon, and then after
Speaker 2: dinner bit of badmin and then I'm onto doing meetings
Speaker 2: and call again. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does require a little bit of thought for
Speaker 1: how this spends out, but I know a lot of
Speaker 1: our listeners are working with people all over the world
Speaker 1: these days, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well that's why the Perfect week calendar
Speaker 2: just makes this really simple. Because now I've desired I mean,
Speaker 2: when I first started, i'd say, yeah, I can do that.
Speaker 2: I can do it two o'clock in the morning. Oh,
Speaker 2: I can do four am in the morning. Now I
Speaker 2: won't because now I realize no, no, no, I need some
Speaker 2: structure in my day, which is how how the Perfect
Speaker 2: Week calendar came along. I know that Michael Hyatt actually
Speaker 2: calls it ideal Week, and on his website he's got
Speaker 2: a wonderful example of his ideal week, and weirdly it's
Speaker 2: quite similar to mine actually, so he kind of splits
Speaker 2: his day a little bit as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's what what all I should do. But yeah,
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out what time we could do
Speaker 1: this interview. I was like, Carl, I bet you know
Speaker 1: you know what is good for people to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people on the so people on the West coast
Speaker 2: of the US. I usually find like early morning for me, Well,
Speaker 2: I say early morning, like nine am my time works
Speaker 2: well because it's usual about I think four or five
Speaker 2: pm on the West coast and then East coast. That's
Speaker 2: actually much easier because that's only thirteen hours behind. So
Speaker 2: eleven pm my time would be ten am New York time.
Speaker 1: So it all works, It all works, all right, Well,
Speaker 1: we're going to take one more quick ad break and
Speaker 1: I will be back with more from Carl Well. I
Speaker 1: am back talking with Carl Poline about productivity strategies. We've
Speaker 1: been talking about managing our calendars. So here's a question
Speaker 1: for you. You've talked about when people are trying to
Speaker 1: change their habits, it helps to picture what they want
Speaker 1: their lives to look like. And I know that many
Speaker 1: years ago you managed that incredibly difficult thing of quitting
Speaker 1: smoking right over the course of a couple of years.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there were logistical challenges, but what was
Speaker 1: it about envisioning that you wanted to be running or
Speaker 1: exercising still later in life, I was.
Speaker 2: Still exercising even though I was a smoker. It was
Speaker 2: when I was running marathons and I was a smoker.
Speaker 1: And able to do lots of stuffy I mean, the
Speaker 1: way thing was.
Speaker 2: I mean, because it was just to me. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think I started smoking probably around about eighteen nineteen,
Speaker 2: so I'd already been a competitive athlete. I just went
Speaker 2: through I went to boarding school, and then suddenly I
Speaker 2: became I was out of school. I don't all my
Speaker 2: high school exams, and it's like, oh, there's bars. Oh
Speaker 2: there's girls. Oh, there's cigarettes. Yeah, it just all before
Speaker 2: I was probably had a sheltered life and suddenly the
Speaker 2: world opened up and pizza. That was a bad one
Speaker 2: as well, because that just my weight went up, like skyrocketed.
Speaker 2: But you know, it comes a point. And I remember
Speaker 2: being interviewed on a Korean radio station and I was
Speaker 2: supposed to be giving advice to like young university students,
Speaker 2: and this student called in to say, I really want
Speaker 2: to travel, but I know I have to get a
Speaker 2: job and start my career. And I just said, no,
Speaker 2: go and travel now. And the host of the show
Speaker 2: was a bit surprised because in career it was like no, No,
Speaker 2: education is so important, and I'd looking back and I
Speaker 2: was thinking, no, I made a lot of stupid mistakes
Speaker 2: in my twenties, and I am so glad I did
Speaker 2: it then, because the worst time to do it would
Speaker 2: be now, because I would when you're in your twenties,
Speaker 2: you tend to think you're immortal. You're not, but you
Speaker 2: tend to think you are. And there's always a good
Speaker 2: chance you can recover your health, you know, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: I mean I quit smoking a long time ago now,
Speaker 2: and when I have a go and have my annual
Speaker 2: medical checkup. You know, there's no lungdy in disease, there's
Speaker 2: no defects or anything. But had I quit smoking, say now,
Speaker 2: I probably would have done some very long lasting damage
Speaker 2: that would be very hard to recover from. So do
Speaker 2: all the stupid things in your twenties. That's the advice
Speaker 2: I would give to anybody young to because you've got
Speaker 2: to find out what you want to do, who you
Speaker 2: want to be, and that's the best time to do it.
Speaker 2: And I'm also very lucky because Facebook, LinkedIn and all
Speaker 2: those but didn't exist when I was in my twenties.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there'll be some photos of all of us from
Speaker 1: Oh there will be somewhere.
Speaker 2: But there'll be physical photos, some attic somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, no, it's true. I mean that's the
Speaker 1: time to do the crazy things. And I always feel
Speaker 1: somewhat bad for people who are young doing crazy things
Speaker 1: because there's you know, you can wind up with photos
Speaker 1: following you for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2: But one of the things I do tell people is
Speaker 2: find five people dead or alive that you most admire
Speaker 2: and ask yourself, what is it about them that you admire?
Speaker 2: There'll be some characteristic trait about them that you will admire.
Speaker 2: And one of my writing hero is Ian Fleming. He
Speaker 2: created James Bond stories. And I think the thing that
Speaker 2: really I liked, I admired about him is because of
Speaker 2: his writing style. But then I discovered that he would
Speaker 2: fly off to Jamaica every January. He had a house
Speaker 2: in Jamaica and he'd spend six weeks every morning, nine
Speaker 2: till twelve writing the next James Bond book. Now that
Speaker 2: whole thing just lit up me because I'm going, oh, routine, daily, routine,
Speaker 2: three hours writing. I just thought, wow, And it's always resonated.
Speaker 2: That kind of thing resonated and people like, you know,
Speaker 2: getting to know about Dwayne Johnson and he's some of
Speaker 2: his YouTube videos and LinkedIn videos oh sorry, Instagram videos
Speaker 2: you know say exercise for him comes first every day,
Speaker 2: And I'm going, yeah, I mean, there's no reason why
Speaker 2: no anyone could do that, not necessarily have your own
Speaker 2: gym follow you around the world like he does. But
Speaker 2: maybe every day I go out for twenty minutes walk
Speaker 2: every morning or something like that. It's not difficult, but
Speaker 2: once it's embedded, you just can't. It's like brushing your
Speaker 2: teeth every day. It's just something that you just do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you should see me on an aeroplane a fifteen hour flight.
Speaker 2: I'm walking round nowadays, and nowadays I wait for people
Speaker 2: to go to sleep because they ever have they'll turn
Speaker 2: the lights out. Then I'll start walking.
Speaker 1: I'll start walking. That's good. What on earth is he doing?
Speaker 2: He keeps walking around? I thought, ID better wait until
Speaker 2: you go to see.
Speaker 1: And of course, of course, so Carl, I always ask
Speaker 1: my guest, what is something you have done recently to
Speaker 1: take a day from great to awesome?
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. Tell you what it is is.
Speaker 2: Because right now I'm suffering from jet lag. So I'll
Speaker 2: wake up at like two o'clock in the morning. Now
Speaker 2: I could just toss and turn in bed, hoping one
Speaker 2: sleep will come. I've learned it doesn't, or if it does,
Speaker 2: it'll come at like seven o'clock in the morning. So
Speaker 2: I just get up, come into the home office and
Speaker 2: get my work done. Now that time, between two and
Speaker 2: six it is four hours, and I get a ton
Speaker 2: of work done. And then the rest of the day
Speaker 2: when I get hit by you know, the jet like
Speaker 2: really hits in, I can just go back to bed,
Speaker 2: and I have no guilt because all the important work
Speaker 2: has been done. And sometimes I'm actually quite disappointed when
Speaker 2: the jet lag wears off. I go back to my
Speaker 2: normal hours because now it doesn't feel quite as easy.
Speaker 2: But wow, if i'm and I always I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not a great sleeper, but you know, I often think, well,
Speaker 2: could I just do that in normal time? If I
Speaker 2: wake up at like three and can't get back to sleep,
Speaker 2: just get up and get on with the work. At
Speaker 2: least I can go back and take a nap. But
Speaker 2: that one is if he's had something most recent well,
Speaker 2: yeah that was this weekend. I could have spent four
Speaker 2: hours tossing and turning in bed, got up, felt rough
Speaker 2: all day and got a lot done. Or get up
Speaker 2: now while I feel good, get the work done and
Speaker 2: then go back to bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I love it, So Carl, Where can people
Speaker 1: find you?
Speaker 2: A best place find me is at my website, kylepouline
Speaker 2: dot com. Although these days apparently you can just type
Speaker 2: my name in Google and you'll find me. Apparently, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: but I just tend to say you can get to
Speaker 2: me on socials and everything through my website. It's all there,
Speaker 2: sounds good.
Speaker 1: All right, well, Carl, thank you so much for joining us.
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