WEBVTT - Time-based productivity, with Carl Pullein

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning,

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<v Speaker 1>This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's

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<v Speaker 1>episode is going to be a longer one part of

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<v Speaker 1>the series where I interview fascinating people about how they

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<v Speaker 1>take their days from great to awesome and any advice

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<v Speaker 1>they have for the rest of us. So today I

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<v Speaker 1>am delighted to welcome Carl Pauline to the show. Carl

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<v Speaker 1>is the host of the Your Time, Your Way podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>He also teaches productivity courses, among other things. So, Carl,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, why didn't you tell our listeners a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the most surprising thing is is that

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<v Speaker 2>I originally come from the United Kingdom, but have lived

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<v Speaker 2>in Korea now South Korea for twenty two twenty two years,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, twenty three years, yes, twenty three years. This year.

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<v Speaker 2>I only came for one year. I just came to

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<v Speaker 2>teach English. I needed to time out. I trained to

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<v Speaker 2>be a lawyer and then I went to work in

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<v Speaker 2>a law office and that was my first experience of

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<v Speaker 2>working in an office, and I felt like I was

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<v Speaker 2>a prisoner, you know. I had to be there from

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<v Speaker 2>nine till well, it's usually eight thirty till six thirty pm.

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<v Speaker 2>You were allowed out for lunch, but the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the time there was an office manager. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>perfectly normal, by the way, at the end of nineteen nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>early two thousands for this to happen. And I really

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<v Speaker 2>genuinely felt I'm in day release prison here. So because

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<v Speaker 2>my previous jobs had been in hotel management, car sales,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, in those jobs you just run around

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<v Speaker 2>all day. You weren't tied to a desk, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, Okay, I need some time out because I

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<v Speaker 2>do I really want to spend the rest of my

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<v Speaker 2>career being tied to a desk. And I came to

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<v Speaker 2>career and that's twenty three years ago last month, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no chance of going back now. I found my

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<v Speaker 2>forte if you like I. I fell in love with teaching,

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<v Speaker 2>and I knew that within three months that was really

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<v Speaker 2>what my vacate vocation was. And I've never stopped since.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which I love. I love that you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>were able to change in the middle of life and

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what you wanted to do. And I'm also

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciative that you are talking at me with you

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<v Speaker 1>at eleven PM your time, which is during business hours

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<v Speaker 1>on the East coast of the United States. Definitely challenging

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<v Speaker 1>to connect with that. But you know, you've had such

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<v Speaker 1>a varied career, like you said, car sales, hotel, teaching,

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<v Speaker 1>English law. I'm sure that you've picked up on little

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<v Speaker 1>things from all of these, right, I mean, there's lessons

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<v Speaker 1>you've taken from all these as you're teaching now.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I mean I think my first I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>fell in love with time management productivity was in middle school.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to I used to before computers and Excel

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff when I was at school. So it used

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<v Speaker 2>to be an a blank piece of a four paper

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<v Speaker 2>I'd write out a timetable for studying for when my

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<v Speaker 2>exams were coming. And I was absolutely fantastic at making

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<v Speaker 2>those timetables, but just terrible at revising. But that was

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<v Speaker 2>really where I just became fascinated with time and time management.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think I was quite lucky because I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a teacher at school who got me into

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<v Speaker 2>cross country running. Now most people hate that, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just maybe it's because I'm probably more introverted. So the

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<v Speaker 2>team sports. Yeah, I was okay at but they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>really where I excelled. As soon as I started running,

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<v Speaker 2>it was wow. I just fell in love with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I became quite a competitive athlete, running for

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<v Speaker 2>my county, which I think in the US would be state,

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<v Speaker 2>and that taught me. And again I was given like

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<v Speaker 2>training schedules from my coaches, so I at a very

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<v Speaker 2>early age I was I learned very quickly that actually

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<v Speaker 2>the calendar as we use it today, but the schedule

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<v Speaker 2>was always going to be the most important thing in life.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when I got working in the car sales,

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<v Speaker 2>I was very lucky because when of the first my

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<v Speaker 2>first real general manager, I mean, he was probably it

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<v Speaker 2>still is to this day, the most organized person I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever met. And again this was before we had all

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<v Speaker 2>the digital productivity tools we have, So it was this

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful a four leather bound desk diary that I just

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<v Speaker 2>fell in love with, and I went and bought myself one,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, it taught me a lot. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's interesting you say that because that you were

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<v Speaker 1>drawn to productivity tools early on. I think you've also

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<v Speaker 1>talked about having you can correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Here at ADHD that as an adult, you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>found out and a lot of people who grow up

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<v Speaker 1>with that are not necessarily drawn to productivity tools. They

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<v Speaker 1>see it as something of a more foreign car I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, I mean, I'm very lucky because ADHD wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a thing was out school. I'm so glad that I

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<v Speaker 2>actually learned coping mechanisms without being told this is the

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<v Speaker 2>medicine you should take, because I probably would have believed them.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I developed coping mechanisms very very early on

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<v Speaker 2>in life, which means that there's no point in me

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<v Speaker 2>going to see doctors ABOUTD. I know I've got it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you just read my school reports. It's pretty clear.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I can get easily distracted. But what I

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<v Speaker 2>do notice, though, is that to me, the ADHD is

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<v Speaker 2>a superpower because I can I know now how to

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<v Speaker 2>engage it in order to get really focused on a project,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, that I'm working on, because just before I

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<v Speaker 2>went away, I was running close to a deadline for

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<v Speaker 2>a course I wanted to get out, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought, right, this is where ADHD is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be my best friend. And yeah, for about forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight hours I was completely zoned in. Nothing was going

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<v Speaker 2>to pull me away from it. And I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 2>I've got ADHD. I actually think it's the number of

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<v Speaker 2>people have got it. It's probably actually abnormal not to

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<v Speaker 2>have it, you know, because so many people have variations

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<v Speaker 2>of it. I think in many respects it's probably quite normal.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I say, it's to me, it's my superpower.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And by learning the coping techniques of planning out

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<v Speaker 1>your schedules for long term things, and I'm sure having

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<v Speaker 1>the cross country running as a way to burn off

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<v Speaker 1>some energy, those are probably a great combination.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why exercise is still a huge. If I'm not exercising,

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<v Speaker 2>everything starts falling about I don't. I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going out running, you know, ten miles a day or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that anymore, but you know, at least thirty

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<v Speaker 2>forty minutes a day, I need to be doing some excising.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm lucky I have a dog as well, so he

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<v Speaker 2>needs an hour Yeah walking, Well, we will.

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<v Speaker 1>Get mad in a minute. We're definitely going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about exercise. I wanted to ask you though, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I was reading of one of your ideas that you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this time based productivity, And you've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this issue like it's the problem with the modern world.

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<v Speaker 1>Like in the past, when you had to do a

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<v Speaker 1>great many things, you had to actually go somewhere to

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<v Speaker 1>do them right. And so obviously going somewhere takes some

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time, Like you can't fool yourself that you

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<v Speaker 1>can instantly be at the store or be at this

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<v Speaker 1>appointment or whatever else. You had to go there, so

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<v Speaker 1>you had to build in the time for it, Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>now a lot of the things we do could be

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<v Speaker 1>done whenever we have complete flexibility to choose them, and

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<v Speaker 1>so people don't necessarily allocate adequate time to them. Am

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<v Speaker 1>I understanding that correctly?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean one of the things this probably came

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<v Speaker 2>about about ten years ago when I sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>came up with my email processing system, if you like,

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<v Speaker 2>and I realized that actually the number of emails I

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<v Speaker 2>get per day is probably about one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. Of that, probably forty require me to

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<v Speaker 2>take some action. Now I've got a choice here. I

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<v Speaker 2>could just ignore that and let it build up. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow it'll be eighty, the day after that it'd be

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty. I'm never going to have time

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<v Speaker 2>to sit down and deal with one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>actionable emails, no chance. But forty, I calculated, takes me

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<v Speaker 2>around about fifty minutes to an hour. I mean, forty

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<v Speaker 2>is just I mean some days it will be twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Today it was probably about fifteen because you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday night for me, not I don't get that many.

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<v Speaker 2>But so I now allocate it just an hour a day,

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<v Speaker 2>and I call it to my communication time. Now, if

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<v Speaker 2>I don't clear all those forty emails today, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>matter because tomorrow the oldest because I reverse the order,

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<v Speaker 2>so the oldest is at the top, not the bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not cherry picking. So tomorrow, I just know

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<v Speaker 2>if I start at the top, nobody is ever really

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<v Speaker 2>going to be waiting longer than say, twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 2>for reply. And it's worked solidly for ten years now,

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<v Speaker 2>and it started probably ten years ago. I was probably

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<v Speaker 2>only getting about thirty to thirty five emails a day,

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<v Speaker 2>so I've had to increase the time I spend doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm quite happy to an hour after that. Nah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to spend more than an hour on communications.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know that again, I've got an hour tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>and a day after, so I'm relaxed about it. Never

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<v Speaker 2>worries me. There's always some little caveats, you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>anyone's got if there's a money issue, or there's a

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<v Speaker 2>somebody can't log into their account on my learning center. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to deal with that as soon as I

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<v Speaker 2>seal that email. But it only takes me like two

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<v Speaker 2>minutes to deal with. But the rest of the emails, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll wait until my usually about four o'clock in the

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<v Speaker 2>evening afternoon when I sit down and just do my

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<v Speaker 2>actionable email. But that taught me. I thought, Okay, if

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<v Speaker 2>I can spend an hour on communications, what about allocating

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<v Speaker 2>time for other categories of work that I have to do,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's you know, I usually have three hours set

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<v Speaker 2>aside for recording YouTube videos. I have probably about six

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<v Speaker 2>hours a week set aside for writing. And it's now

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<v Speaker 2>so much Mondy Today Monday is brilliant because this morning

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<v Speaker 2>obviously my evening time. Now I didn't have to think

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<v Speaker 2>about what am I going to do now, it's just oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Monday's writing day. So this morning I spent think

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<v Speaker 2>about two two and a half hours of writing, got

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<v Speaker 2>most of my writing done. I'm happy with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent. All right, Well, we're going to take a quick

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<v Speaker 1>ad break and then i'll be back with more from

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Poline. Well, I am back talking with Carl Pouline,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the host of the Your Time, Your Way

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<v Speaker 1>podcast productivity expert as well. So another exercise that you

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<v Speaker 1>have talked about as I was reading the description for

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<v Speaker 1>your recent course is the perfect week calendar? What is

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect week calendar?

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<v Speaker 2>Right now? This is because most Now, just to go

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<v Speaker 2>about a little bit of history, one of I was

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<v Speaker 2>introduced to something called the Franklin Planner in the early

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen nineties, probably around about ninety three ninety four. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>part of that you get sent on a training The

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<v Speaker 2>company I was working for sent me on a training

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<v Speaker 2>course and the first day I had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with time management. I'm going I'm host to be here

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<v Speaker 2>to learn about time management. Why are we talking about

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<v Speaker 2>governing values? What's important to you? And the lens the

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<v Speaker 2>way the lens you look at the world through and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. Now, back then, I'm in my early twenties.

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<v Speaker 2>It probably went over my head a little bit, but

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<v Speaker 2>I did start writing out what I felt at the

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<v Speaker 2>time was my governing values. Weirdly, when I look at

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<v Speaker 2>them today, I'm going, wow, ninety percent of them are

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<v Speaker 2>still true today. And the Perfect Week calendar is essentially

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<v Speaker 2>a step up from that. It's like, Okay, this is

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<v Speaker 2>all the stuff that's important to me, and if I

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<v Speaker 2>don't define that, what does that actually mean at a

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<v Speaker 2>task level, It's just going to never get dealt with.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just not going to be dealing with it, because,

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<v Speaker 2>as you mentioned before, today's world stuff is just coming

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<v Speaker 2>at you twenty four seven. But if you know what's

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<v Speaker 2>important to you, you can then quickly filter out the

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<v Speaker 2>less important stuff. So the Perfect week calendar is about saying, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I want this amount of time per week to exercise.

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<v Speaker 2>I want this amount of time per week to spend

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<v Speaker 2>with my family, because we have family time. So there

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<v Speaker 2>was something I read, oh a long time ago now

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<v Speaker 2>about Michael Dell when his kids were young and he's

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<v Speaker 2>building a big computer empire. He would always be home,

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<v Speaker 2>I think by six pm, to have a family dinner

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<v Speaker 2>at seven, and then he would play with his kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and then at nine pm he'd go to his home

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<v Speaker 2>office and deal with any remaining stuff that he had

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with. I was thinking, wow, that's three hours

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<v Speaker 2>every single day where he has said that's it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>now family time blocked off. Nobody gets it's my attention

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<v Speaker 2>except my family. I know that Gary Vaynerchuk does it

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<v Speaker 2>as well. You know, he's always home for family dinner

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<v Speaker 2>time with the kids, and then he will maybe go

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<v Speaker 2>out and have a business meeting later in the evening.

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<v Speaker 2>And I realize that that means, you know, to me,

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<v Speaker 2>family time is also important. So it's in my calendar

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<v Speaker 2>because if whatever goes on the calendar gets done. That's

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<v Speaker 2>my philosophy. So you can design the perfect week, and

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<v Speaker 2>you do it for your personal life first, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you do it for your work life. What's important at work?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your core work? What are you employed to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Make sure that you've got time set aside each week

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<v Speaker 2>for that, because if you don't, your calendar will fill

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<v Speaker 2>up with meetings. And if you're spending you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you work a typical four hour forty hour week and

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five hours are spent in meetings, when are you

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<v Speaker 2>going to do your work? So you've got to start

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<v Speaker 2>getting When you do that perfect week, you get to

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<v Speaker 2>realize just how much time you got. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Well we'll always talk about there one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight hours in a week, so you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of hours for doing various things,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have to know what you're doing with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And another exercise that you also are teaching to people

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<v Speaker 1>is a five minute daily planning session. So I saw

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<v Speaker 1>that you promised that we could plan for our days

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<v Speaker 1>in under five minutes, which sounds exciting to me. So

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<v Speaker 1>tell me how I am planning my day in less

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<v Speaker 1>than five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this again comes back to just dealing with reality.

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<v Speaker 2>The first place you look at is your calendar, where

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<v Speaker 2>are your appointments for the day, because that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how much time you've got to do tasks.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you've got seven hours of back to back meetings,

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<v Speaker 2>forget tasks, you're not going to do them. You might

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<v Speaker 2>be lucky to get to your communications, but you're probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to be eating, drinking coffee, or just exhausted. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't start with your calendar and start with

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<v Speaker 2>a to do list, you could easily write eighteen nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>tasks or got to do this. We've got to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>got to do this, and then you look at your

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<v Speaker 2>calendar and go, oh, shoot, I've got six hours of

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<v Speaker 2>meetings today as well. Your day is destroyed. So I

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<v Speaker 2>have this why call the daily planning sequence, which is

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<v Speaker 2>first look at your calendar that will tell you how

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<v Speaker 2>much time you've got left for doing to do or

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<v Speaker 2>tasks and then build what I call realistic things that

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do, and then prioritize that list. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is stolen completely from the Franklin Planner system. It's

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<v Speaker 2>they you know, they say ten to fifteen minutes planning

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<v Speaker 2>and solitude. With the digital tools that we have today,

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of tasks and we can set up

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<v Speaker 2>to recur and stuff on our calendar can recur, you

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<v Speaker 2>can actually reduce that down to easily five minutes now,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just get into the habit of doing that

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<v Speaker 2>every day. Now. I say to people, do this the

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<v Speaker 2>night before, because you'll sleep better, You'll be you won't

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<v Speaker 2>wake up us off and go oh I've got to

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<v Speaker 2>do this. Oh go that you'll just be more relaxed

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<v Speaker 2>in the evening. The other thing is is the next

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<v Speaker 2>day you're ready to start. There's none of that. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>what do I need to do today, and that just

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<v Speaker 2>slows you down. It just bangs straight into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, So do you have any routines that make

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<v Speaker 1>you more productive? I know you are a frequent exerciser.

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<v Speaker 1>That is something you do, but you do it not

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, which I know a lot of our

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<v Speaker 1>listeners in a podcast called Before Breakfast our morning exercisers.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've never been a morning I tried it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I never It just doesn't seem to work very well

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<v Speaker 2>for me. I prefer to excise mid in the afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>and the moment, we're in the summer now, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>hot and humid. It's in the nineties and it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>eighty percent humidity out there, so it's not pleasant. So

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<v Speaker 2>I tend to do it now early evening. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>only like two or three months of the year where

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<v Speaker 2>it gets ridiculously hot. So the rest of the time

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<v Speaker 2>I'll do my excise mid afternoon. And what I find

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<v Speaker 2>there is it's just a nice break. So I'll get

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<v Speaker 2>down to doing like focused work in the morning, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I'll do some errands, then I'll do my exercise,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'll come back because I work in the evenings,

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<v Speaker 2>so I basically what most people do in the evenings,

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<v Speaker 2>I do in the afternoon. Yeah. Yeah, so I split

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<v Speaker 2>my day and it works well for me, well.

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly, I mean with being I mean overseas. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>from a lot of the people that you're working with,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the time zone issue for you, so you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have to use your evening hours because that's work

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<v Speaker 1>hours it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So my days will start, I mean, my work days

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<v Speaker 2>generally start eight thirty and I'll work up until about

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<v Speaker 2>eleven thirty twelve, So I do intermittent fasting as well,

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<v Speaker 2>so that will be my kind of first meal of

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<v Speaker 2>the day. Then then it's usually as I say, errands,

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<v Speaker 2>dog walking, exercise, and then usually I come back and

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<v Speaker 2>do my email later in the afternoon, and then after

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<v Speaker 2>dinner bit of badmin and then I'm onto doing meetings

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<v Speaker 2>and call again. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it does require a little bit of thought for

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<v Speaker 1>how this spends out, but I know a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners are working with people all over the world

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<v Speaker 1>these days, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, well that's why the Perfect week calendar

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<v Speaker 2>just makes this really simple. Because now I've desired I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when I first started, i'd say, yeah, I can do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I can do it two o'clock in the morning. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I can do four am in the morning. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>won't because now I realize no, no, no, I need some

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<v Speaker 2>structure in my day, which is how how the Perfect

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<v Speaker 2>Week calendar came along. I know that Michael Hyatt actually

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<v Speaker 2>calls it ideal Week, and on his website he's got

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<v Speaker 2>a wonderful example of his ideal week, and weirdly it's

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<v Speaker 2>quite similar to mine actually, so he kind of splits

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<v Speaker 2>his day a little bit as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe that's what what all I should do. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to figure out what time we could do

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<v Speaker 1>this interview. I was like, Carl, I bet you know

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<v Speaker 1>you know what is good for people to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people on the so people on the West coast

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<v Speaker 2>of the US. I usually find like early morning for me, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I say early morning, like nine am my time works

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<v Speaker 2>well because it's usual about I think four or five

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<v Speaker 2>pm on the West coast and then East coast. That's

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<v Speaker 2>actually much easier because that's only thirteen hours behind. So

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<v Speaker 2>eleven pm my time would be ten am New York time.

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<v Speaker 1>So it all works, It all works, all right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take one more quick ad break and

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<v Speaker 1>I will be back with more from Carl Well. I

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<v Speaker 1>am back talking with Carl Poline about productivity strategies. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about managing our calendars. So here's a question

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<v Speaker 1>for you. You've talked about when people are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>change their habits, it helps to picture what they want

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<v Speaker 1>their lives to look like. And I know that many

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<v Speaker 1>years ago you managed that incredibly difficult thing of quitting

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<v Speaker 1>smoking right over the course of a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure there were logistical challenges, but what was

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<v Speaker 1>it about envisioning that you wanted to be running or

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<v Speaker 1>exercising still later in life, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Still exercising even though I was a smoker. It was

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<v Speaker 2>when I was running marathons and I was a smoker.

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<v Speaker 1>And able to do lots of stuffy I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>way thing was.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because it was just to me. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I started smoking probably around about eighteen nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'd already been a competitive athlete. I just went

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<v Speaker 2>through I went to boarding school, and then suddenly I

0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.520
<v Speaker 2>became I was out of school. I don't all my

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<v Speaker 2>high school exams, and it's like, oh, there's bars. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>there's girls. Oh, there's cigarettes. Yeah, it just all before

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<v Speaker 2>I was probably had a sheltered life and suddenly the

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<v Speaker 2>world opened up and pizza. That was a bad one

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<v Speaker 2>as well, because that just my weight went up, like skyrocketed.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, it comes a point. And I remember

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<v Speaker 2>being interviewed on a Korean radio station and I was

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be giving advice to like young university students,

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<v Speaker 2>and this student called in to say, I really want

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<v Speaker 2>to travel, but I know I have to get a

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<v Speaker 2>job and start my career. And I just said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>go and travel now. And the host of the show

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit surprised because in career it was like no, No,

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<v Speaker 2>education is so important, and I'd looking back and I

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking, no, I made a lot of stupid mistakes

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<v Speaker 2>in my twenties, and I am so glad I did

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<v Speaker 2>it then, because the worst time to do it would

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<v Speaker 2>be now, because I would when you're in your twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>you tend to think you're immortal. You're not, but you

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<v Speaker 2>tend to think you are. And there's always a good

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<v Speaker 2>chance you can recover your health, you know, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I quit smoking a long time ago now,

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<v Speaker 2>and when I have a go and have my annual

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<v Speaker 2>medical checkup. You know, there's no lungdy in disease, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no defects or anything. But had I quit smoking, say now,

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<v Speaker 2>I probably would have done some very long lasting damage

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<v Speaker 2>that would be very hard to recover from. So do

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<v Speaker 2>all the stupid things in your twenties. That's the advice

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<v Speaker 2>I would give to anybody young to because you've got

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<v Speaker 2>to find out what you want to do, who you

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<v Speaker 2>want to be, and that's the best time to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm also very lucky because Facebook, LinkedIn and all

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<v Speaker 2>those but didn't exist when I was in my twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, there'll be some photos of all of us from

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<v Speaker 1>Oh there will be somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>But there'll be physical photos, some attic somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, no, it's true. I mean that's the

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<v Speaker 1>time to do the crazy things. And I always feel

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat bad for people who are young doing crazy things

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<v Speaker 1>because there's you know, you can wind up with photos

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<v Speaker 1>following you for the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the things I do tell people is

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<v Speaker 2>find five people dead or alive that you most admire

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<v Speaker 2>and ask yourself, what is it about them that you admire?

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<v Speaker 2>There'll be some characteristic trait about them that you will admire.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of my writing hero is Ian Fleming. He

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<v Speaker 2>created James Bond stories. And I think the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>really I liked, I admired about him is because of

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<v Speaker 2>his writing style. But then I discovered that he would

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<v Speaker 2>fly off to Jamaica every January. He had a house

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<v Speaker 2>in Jamaica and he'd spend six weeks every morning, nine

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<v Speaker 2>till twelve writing the next James Bond book. Now that

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing just lit up me because I'm going, oh, routine, daily, routine,

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<v Speaker 2>three hours writing. I just thought, wow, And it's always resonated.

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<v Speaker 2>That kind of thing resonated and people like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>getting to know about Dwayne Johnson and he's some of

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<v Speaker 2>his YouTube videos and LinkedIn videos oh sorry, Instagram videos

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<v Speaker 2>you know say exercise for him comes first every day,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going, yeah, I mean, there's no reason why

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<v Speaker 2>no anyone could do that, not necessarily have your own

0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.480
<v Speaker 2>gym follow you around the world like he does. But

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<v Speaker 2>maybe every day I go out for twenty minutes walk

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<v Speaker 2>every morning or something like that. It's not difficult, but

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<v Speaker 2>once it's embedded, you just can't. It's like brushing your

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<v Speaker 2>teeth every day. It's just something that you just do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you should see me on an aeroplane a fifteen hour flight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm walking round nowadays, and nowadays I wait for people

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<v Speaker 2>to go to sleep because they ever have they'll turn

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<v Speaker 2>the lights out. Then I'll start walking.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll start walking. That's good. What on earth is he doing?

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<v Speaker 2>He keeps walking around? I thought, ID better wait until

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<v Speaker 2>you go to see.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, of course, so Carl, I always ask

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<v Speaker 1>my guest, what is something you have done recently to

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<v Speaker 1>take a day from great to awesome?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a good question. Tell you what it is is.

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<v Speaker 2>Because right now I'm suffering from jet lag. So I'll

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<v Speaker 2>wake up at like two o'clock in the morning. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I could just toss and turn in bed, hoping one

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<v Speaker 2>sleep will come. I've learned it doesn't, or if it does,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll come at like seven o'clock in the morning. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just get up, come into the home office and

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<v Speaker 2>get my work done. Now that time, between two and

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<v Speaker 2>six it is four hours, and I get a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of work done. And then the rest of the day

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<v Speaker 2>when I get hit by you know, the jet like

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<v Speaker 2>really hits in, I can just go back to bed,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have no guilt because all the important work

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<v Speaker 2>has been done. And sometimes I'm actually quite disappointed when

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<v Speaker 2>the jet lag wears off. I go back to my

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<v Speaker 2>normal hours because now it doesn't feel quite as easy.

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<v Speaker 2>But wow, if i'm and I always I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a great sleeper, but you know, I often think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>could I just do that in normal time? If I

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<v Speaker 2>wake up at like three and can't get back to sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>just get up and get on with the work. At

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<v Speaker 2>least I can go back and take a nap. But

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<v Speaker 2>that one is if he's had something most recent well,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah that was this weekend. I could have spent four

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<v Speaker 2>hours tossing and turning in bed, got up, felt rough

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<v Speaker 2>all day and got a lot done. Or get up

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<v Speaker 2>now while I feel good, get the work done and

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<v Speaker 2>then go back to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, I love it, So Carl, Where can people

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<v Speaker 1>find you?

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<v Speaker 2>A best place find me is at my website, kylepouline

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. Although these days apparently you can just type

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<v Speaker 2>my name in Google and you'll find me. Apparently, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just tend to say you can get to

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<v Speaker 2>me on socials and everything through my website. It's all there,

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<v Speaker 2>sounds good.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, Carl, thank you so much for joining us.

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