1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning, 2 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: This is Laura. Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 3 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of 4 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: take their days from great to awesome and any advice 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: they have for the rest of us. So today I 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: am delighted to welcome Carl Pauline to the show. Carl 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: is the host of the Your Time, Your Way podcast. 9 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: He also teaches productivity courses, among other things. So, Carl, 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: welcome to the show. 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for having me. 12 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, why didn't you tell our listeners a little 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: bit about yourself? 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 2: Well, I think the most surprising thing is is that 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 2: I originally come from the United Kingdom, but have lived 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: in Korea now South Korea for twenty two twenty two years, 17 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty three years, yes, twenty three years. This year. 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: I only came for one year. I just came to 19 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: teach English. I needed to time out. I trained to 20 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: be a lawyer and then I went to work in 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: a law office and that was my first experience of 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: working in an office, and I felt like I was 23 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: a prisoner, you know. I had to be there from 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: nine till well, it's usually eight thirty till six thirty pm. 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: You were allowed out for lunch, but the rest of 26 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: the time there was an office manager. And it was 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 2: perfectly normal, by the way, at the end of nineteen nineties, 28 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: early two thousands for this to happen. And I really 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: genuinely felt I'm in day release prison here. So because 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: my previous jobs had been in hotel management, car sales, 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: and you know, in those jobs you just run around 32 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: all day. You weren't tied to a desk, and so 33 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, I need some time out because I 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: do I really want to spend the rest of my 35 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: career being tied to a desk. And I came to 36 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: career and that's twenty three years ago last month, and yeah, 37 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 2: there's no chance of going back now. I found my 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: forte if you like I. I fell in love with teaching, 39 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: and I knew that within three months that was really 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: what my vacate vocation was. And I've never stopped since. 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, which I love. I love that you, you know, 42 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: were able to change in the middle of life and 43 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: figure out what you wanted to do. And I'm also 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: really appreciative that you are talking at me with you 45 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: at eleven PM your time, which is during business hours 46 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: on the East coast of the United States. Definitely challenging 47 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: to connect with that. But you know, you've had such 48 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: a varied career, like you said, car sales, hotel, teaching, 49 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: English law. I'm sure that you've picked up on little 50 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: things from all of these, right, I mean, there's lessons 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: you've taken from all these as you're teaching now. 52 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean I think my first I mean I 53 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: fell in love with time management productivity was in middle school. 54 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: I used to I used to before computers and Excel 55 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: and stuff when I was at school. So it used 56 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: to be an a blank piece of a four paper 57 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: I'd write out a timetable for studying for when my 58 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 2: exams were coming. And I was absolutely fantastic at making 59 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: those timetables, but just terrible at revising. But that was 60 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: really where I just became fascinated with time and time management. 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: I also think I was quite lucky because I was. 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: I had a teacher at school who got me into 63 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: cross country running. Now most people hate that, but I 64 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: just maybe it's because I'm probably more introverted. So the 65 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: team sports. Yeah, I was okay at but they weren't 66 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: really where I excelled. As soon as I started running, 67 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: it was wow. I just fell in love with it. 68 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: And then I became quite a competitive athlete, running for 69 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: my county, which I think in the US would be state, 70 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: and that taught me. And again I was given like 71 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: training schedules from my coaches, so I at a very 72 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: early age I was I learned very quickly that actually 73 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: the calendar as we use it today, but the schedule 74 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: was always going to be the most important thing in life. 75 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: And then when I got working in the car sales, 76 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: I was very lucky because when of the first my 77 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: first real general manager, I mean, he was probably it 78 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: still is to this day, the most organized person I've 79 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: ever met. And again this was before we had all 80 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 2: the digital productivity tools we have, So it was this 81 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: wonderful a four leather bound desk diary that I just 82 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: fell in love with, and I went and bought myself one, 83 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 2: and yeah, it taught me a lot. Yeah. 84 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting you say that because that you were 85 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: drawn to productivity tools early on. I think you've also 86 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: talked about having you can correct me if I'm wrong. 87 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: Here at ADHD that as an adult, you know, you 88 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: found out and a lot of people who grow up 89 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: with that are not necessarily drawn to productivity tools. They 90 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: see it as something of a more foreign car I think. 91 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: So, yeah, I mean, I'm very lucky because ADHD wasn't 92 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: a thing was out school. I'm so glad that I 93 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: actually learned coping mechanisms without being told this is the 94 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: medicine you should take, because I probably would have believed them. 95 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: And so I developed coping mechanisms very very early on 96 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: in life, which means that there's no point in me 97 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: going to see doctors ABOUTD. I know I've got it. 98 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: I mean, you just read my school reports. It's pretty clear. 99 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: And yeah, I can get easily distracted. But what I 100 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: do notice, though, is that to me, the ADHD is 101 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: a superpower because I can I know now how to 102 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: engage it in order to get really focused on a project, 103 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: for example, that I'm working on, because just before I 104 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: went away, I was running close to a deadline for 105 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: a course I wanted to get out, and I just 106 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: I just thought, right, this is where ADHD is going 107 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: to be my best friend. And yeah, for about forty 108 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: eight hours I was completely zoned in. Nothing was going 109 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: to pull me away from it. And I'm so glad 110 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: I've got ADHD. I actually think it's the number of 111 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: people have got it. It's probably actually abnormal not to 112 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 2: have it, you know, because so many people have variations 113 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: of it. I think in many respects it's probably quite normal. 114 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: But as I say, it's to me, it's my superpower. 115 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. And by learning the coping techniques of planning out 116 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,679 Speaker 1: your schedules for long term things, and I'm sure having 117 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: the cross country running as a way to burn off 118 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: some energy, those are probably a great combination. 119 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 2: That's why exercise is still a huge. If I'm not exercising, 120 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 2: everything starts falling about I don't. I mean, I'm not 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: going out running, you know, ten miles a day or 122 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: anything like that anymore, but you know, at least thirty 123 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: forty minutes a day, I need to be doing some excising. 124 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: I'm lucky I have a dog as well, so he 125 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: needs an hour Yeah walking, Well, we will. 126 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: Get mad in a minute. We're definitely going to talk 127 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: about exercise. I wanted to ask you though, I think 128 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: I was reading of one of your ideas that you 129 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: talk about this time based productivity, And you've talked about 130 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: this issue like it's the problem with the modern world. 131 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: Like in the past, when you had to do a 132 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: great many things, you had to actually go somewhere to 133 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: do them right. And so obviously going somewhere takes some 134 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: amount of time, Like you can't fool yourself that you 135 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: can instantly be at the store or be at this 136 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: appointment or whatever else. You had to go there, so 137 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: you had to build in the time for it, Whereas 138 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: now a lot of the things we do could be 139 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: done whenever we have complete flexibility to choose them, and 140 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: so people don't necessarily allocate adequate time to them. Am 141 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: I understanding that correctly? 142 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one of the things this probably came 143 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: about about ten years ago when I sort of like 144 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 2: came up with my email processing system, if you like, 145 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: and I realized that actually the number of emails I 146 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: get per day is probably about one hundred and fifty 147 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: something like that. Of that, probably forty require me to 148 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: take some action. Now I've got a choice here. I 149 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: could just ignore that and let it build up. Well, 150 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: tomorrow it'll be eighty, the day after that it'd be 151 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty. I'm never going to have time 152 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: to sit down and deal with one hundred and twenty 153 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 2: actionable emails, no chance. But forty, I calculated, takes me 154 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: around about fifty minutes to an hour. I mean, forty 155 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: is just I mean some days it will be twenty. 156 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: Today it was probably about fifteen because you know it's 157 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: Sunday night for me, not I don't get that many. 158 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 2: But so I now allocate it just an hour a day, 159 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: and I call it to my communication time. Now, if 160 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 2: I don't clear all those forty emails today, it doesn't 161 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: matter because tomorrow the oldest because I reverse the order, 162 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: so the oldest is at the top, not the bottom. 163 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: So I'm not cherry picking. So tomorrow, I just know 164 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: if I start at the top, nobody is ever really 165 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: going to be waiting longer than say, twenty four hours 166 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 2: for reply. And it's worked solidly for ten years now, 167 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: and it started probably ten years ago. I was probably 168 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: only getting about thirty to thirty five emails a day, 169 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: so I've had to increase the time I spend doing it. 170 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: But I'm quite happy to an hour after that. Nah, 171 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm not going to spend more than an hour on communications. 172 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: But I know that again, I've got an hour tomorrow 173 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: and a day after, so I'm relaxed about it. Never 174 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: worries me. There's always some little caveats, you know, if 175 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: anyone's got if there's a money issue, or there's a 176 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: somebody can't log into their account on my learning center. Sure, 177 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to deal with that as soon as I 178 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: seal that email. But it only takes me like two 179 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: minutes to deal with. But the rest of the emails, yeah, 180 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: they'll wait until my usually about four o'clock in the 181 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: evening afternoon when I sit down and just do my 182 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: actionable email. But that taught me. I thought, Okay, if 183 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: I can spend an hour on communications, what about allocating 184 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: time for other categories of work that I have to do, 185 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: whether it's you know, I usually have three hours set 186 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: aside for recording YouTube videos. I have probably about six 187 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: hours a week set aside for writing. And it's now 188 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: so much Mondy Today Monday is brilliant because this morning 189 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 2: obviously my evening time. Now I didn't have to think 190 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: about what am I going to do now, it's just oh, 191 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: it's Monday's writing day. So this morning I spent think 192 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: about two two and a half hours of writing, got 193 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: most of my writing done. I'm happy with that. 194 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: Excellent. All right, Well, we're going to take a quick 195 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: ad break and then i'll be back with more from 196 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: Carl Poline. Well, I am back talking with Carl Pouline, 197 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: who is the host of the Your Time, Your Way 198 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: podcast productivity expert as well. So another exercise that you 199 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: have talked about as I was reading the description for 200 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: your recent course is the perfect week calendar? What is 201 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: the perfect week calendar? 202 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 2: Right now? This is because most Now, just to go 203 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: about a little bit of history, one of I was 204 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: introduced to something called the Franklin Planner in the early 205 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: nineteen nineties, probably around about ninety three ninety four. Now, 206 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: part of that you get sent on a training The 207 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: company I was working for sent me on a training 208 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: course and the first day I had nothing to do 209 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: with time management. I'm going I'm host to be here 210 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 2: to learn about time management. Why are we talking about 211 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: governing values? What's important to you? And the lens the 212 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 2: way the lens you look at the world through and 213 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: stuff like that. Now, back then, I'm in my early twenties. 214 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: It probably went over my head a little bit, but 215 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: I did start writing out what I felt at the 216 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: time was my governing values. Weirdly, when I look at 217 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: them today, I'm going, wow, ninety percent of them are 218 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: still true today. And the Perfect Week calendar is essentially 219 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: a step up from that. It's like, Okay, this is 220 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: all the stuff that's important to me, and if I 221 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: don't define that, what does that actually mean at a 222 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: task level, It's just going to never get dealt with. 223 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: I'm just not going to be dealing with it, because, 224 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: as you mentioned before, today's world stuff is just coming 225 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: at you twenty four seven. But if you know what's 226 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: important to you, you can then quickly filter out the 227 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 2: less important stuff. So the Perfect week calendar is about saying, Okay, 228 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: I want this amount of time per week to exercise. 229 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: I want this amount of time per week to spend 230 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: with my family, because we have family time. So there 231 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: was something I read, oh a long time ago now 232 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: about Michael Dell when his kids were young and he's 233 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: building a big computer empire. He would always be home, 234 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: I think by six pm, to have a family dinner 235 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: at seven, and then he would play with his kids, 236 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: and then at nine pm he'd go to his home 237 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: office and deal with any remaining stuff that he had 238 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: to deal with. I was thinking, wow, that's three hours 239 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: every single day where he has said that's it. It's 240 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 2: now family time blocked off. Nobody gets it's my attention 241 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: except my family. I know that Gary Vaynerchuk does it 242 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: as well. You know, he's always home for family dinner 243 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: time with the kids, and then he will maybe go 244 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: out and have a business meeting later in the evening. 245 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: And I realize that that means, you know, to me, 246 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: family time is also important. So it's in my calendar 247 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: because if whatever goes on the calendar gets done. That's 248 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 2: my philosophy. So you can design the perfect week, and 249 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 2: you do it for your personal life first, and then 250 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: you do it for your work life. What's important at work? 251 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: What's your core work? What are you employed to do? 252 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: Make sure that you've got time set aside each week 253 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: for that, because if you don't, your calendar will fill 254 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: up with meetings. And if you're spending you know, if 255 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 2: you work a typical four hour forty hour week and 256 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: thirty five hours are spent in meetings, when are you 257 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 2: going to do your work? So you've got to start 258 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 2: getting When you do that perfect week, you get to 259 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: realize just how much time you got. Yeah. 260 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well we'll always talk about there one hundred and 261 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 1: sixty eight hours in a week, so you know, if 262 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: there are a lot of hours for doing various things, 263 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: but you have to know what you're doing with them. 264 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 265 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: And another exercise that you also are teaching to people 266 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: is a five minute daily planning session. So I saw 267 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: that you promised that we could plan for our days 268 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: in under five minutes, which sounds exciting to me. So 269 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: tell me how I am planning my day in less 270 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: than five minutes. 271 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: Well, this again comes back to just dealing with reality. 272 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 2: The first place you look at is your calendar, where 273 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: are your appointments for the day, because that's going to 274 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: tell you how much time you've got to do tasks. 275 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: So if you've got seven hours of back to back meetings, 276 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: forget tasks, you're not going to do them. You might 277 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 2: be lucky to get to your communications, but you're probably 278 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: going to be eating, drinking coffee, or just exhausted. But 279 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: if you don't start with your calendar and start with 280 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: a to do list, you could easily write eighteen nineteen 281 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: tasks or got to do this. We've got to do that, 282 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: got to do this, and then you look at your 283 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: calendar and go, oh, shoot, I've got six hours of 284 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: meetings today as well. Your day is destroyed. So I 285 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: have this why call the daily planning sequence, which is 286 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: first look at your calendar that will tell you how 287 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: much time you've got left for doing to do or 288 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: tasks and then build what I call realistic things that 289 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: you have to do, and then prioritize that list. Now, 290 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 2: this is stolen completely from the Franklin Planner system. It's 291 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 2: they you know, they say ten to fifteen minutes planning 292 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 2: and solitude. With the digital tools that we have today, 293 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 2: because a lot of tasks and we can set up 294 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 2: to recur and stuff on our calendar can recur, you 295 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: can actually reduce that down to easily five minutes now, 296 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: and you just get into the habit of doing that 297 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 2: every day. Now. I say to people, do this the 298 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: night before, because you'll sleep better, You'll be you won't 299 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: wake up us off and go oh I've got to 300 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: do this. Oh go that you'll just be more relaxed 301 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: in the evening. The other thing is is the next 302 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 2: day you're ready to start. There's none of that. Oh 303 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: what do I need to do today, and that just 304 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 2: slows you down. It just bangs straight into it. 305 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, So do you have any routines that make 306 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: you more productive? I know you are a frequent exerciser. 307 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: That is something you do, but you do it not 308 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: in the morning, which I know a lot of our 309 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: listeners in a podcast called Before Breakfast our morning exercisers. 310 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: But that's not you. 311 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: No, I've never been a morning I tried it, and 312 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: I never It just doesn't seem to work very well 313 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: for me. I prefer to excise mid in the afternoon, 314 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: and the moment, we're in the summer now, so it's 315 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: hot and humid. It's in the nineties and it's probably 316 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: eighty percent humidity out there, so it's not pleasant. So 317 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: I tend to do it now early evening. But it's 318 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: only like two or three months of the year where 319 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: it gets ridiculously hot. So the rest of the time 320 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: I'll do my excise mid afternoon. And what I find 321 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: there is it's just a nice break. So I'll get 322 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: down to doing like focused work in the morning, and 323 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: then I'll do some errands, then I'll do my exercise, 324 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: and then I'll come back because I work in the evenings, 325 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: so I basically what most people do in the evenings, 326 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 2: I do in the afternoon. Yeah. Yeah, so I split 327 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: my day and it works well for me, well. 328 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: Certainly, I mean with being I mean overseas. I'm sure 329 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: from a lot of the people that you're working with, 330 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: there's the time zone issue for you, so you kind 331 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: of have to use your evening hours because that's work 332 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: hours it is. 333 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: So my days will start, I mean, my work days 334 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: generally start eight thirty and I'll work up until about 335 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: eleven thirty twelve, So I do intermittent fasting as well, 336 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: so that will be my kind of first meal of 337 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 2: the day. Then then it's usually as I say, errands, 338 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 2: dog walking, exercise, and then usually I come back and 339 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: do my email later in the afternoon, and then after 340 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 2: dinner bit of badmin and then I'm onto doing meetings 341 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 2: and call again. Yeah. 342 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does require a little bit of thought for 343 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: how this spends out, but I know a lot of 344 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: our listeners are working with people all over the world 345 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: these days, and. 346 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well that's why the Perfect week calendar 347 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: just makes this really simple. Because now I've desired I mean, 348 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: when I first started, i'd say, yeah, I can do that. 349 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 2: I can do it two o'clock in the morning. Oh, 350 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: I can do four am in the morning. Now I 351 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 2: won't because now I realize no, no, no, I need some 352 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: structure in my day, which is how how the Perfect 353 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: Week calendar came along. I know that Michael Hyatt actually 354 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: calls it ideal Week, and on his website he's got 355 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: a wonderful example of his ideal week, and weirdly it's 356 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: quite similar to mine actually, so he kind of splits 357 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: his day a little bit as well. 358 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe that's what what all I should do. But yeah, 359 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out what time we could do 360 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: this interview. I was like, Carl, I bet you know 361 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 1: you know what is good for people to. 362 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, people on the so people on the West coast 363 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 2: of the US. I usually find like early morning for me, Well, 364 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 2: I say early morning, like nine am my time works 365 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: well because it's usual about I think four or five 366 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: pm on the West coast and then East coast. That's 367 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: actually much easier because that's only thirteen hours behind. So 368 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: eleven pm my time would be ten am New York time. 369 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: So it all works, It all works, all right, Well, 370 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: we're going to take one more quick ad break and 371 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: I will be back with more from Carl Well. I 372 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: am back talking with Carl Poline about productivity strategies. We've 373 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: been talking about managing our calendars. So here's a question 374 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: for you. You've talked about when people are trying to 375 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: change their habits, it helps to picture what they want 376 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: their lives to look like. And I know that many 377 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: years ago you managed that incredibly difficult thing of quitting 378 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: smoking right over the course of a couple of years. 379 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: And I'm sure there were logistical challenges, but what was 380 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: it about envisioning that you wanted to be running or 381 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: exercising still later in life, I was. 382 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 2: Still exercising even though I was a smoker. It was 383 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: when I was running marathons and I was a smoker. 384 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: And able to do lots of stuffy I mean, the 385 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: way thing was. 386 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: I mean, because it was just to me. I mean, 387 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 2: I think I started smoking probably around about eighteen nineteen, 388 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: so I'd already been a competitive athlete. I just went 389 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: through I went to boarding school, and then suddenly I 390 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: became I was out of school. I don't all my 391 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: high school exams, and it's like, oh, there's bars. Oh 392 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: there's girls. Oh, there's cigarettes. Yeah, it just all before 393 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,679 Speaker 2: I was probably had a sheltered life and suddenly the 394 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: world opened up and pizza. That was a bad one 395 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: as well, because that just my weight went up, like skyrocketed. 396 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 2: But you know, it comes a point. And I remember 397 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 2: being interviewed on a Korean radio station and I was 398 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: supposed to be giving advice to like young university students, 399 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 2: and this student called in to say, I really want 400 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: to travel, but I know I have to get a 401 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 2: job and start my career. And I just said, no, 402 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 2: go and travel now. And the host of the show 403 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: was a bit surprised because in career it was like no, No, 404 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: education is so important, and I'd looking back and I 405 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: was thinking, no, I made a lot of stupid mistakes 406 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: in my twenties, and I am so glad I did 407 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: it then, because the worst time to do it would 408 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: be now, because I would when you're in your twenties, 409 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: you tend to think you're immortal. You're not, but you 410 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: tend to think you are. And there's always a good 411 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: chance you can recover your health, you know, I'm sure. 412 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: I mean I quit smoking a long time ago now, 413 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 2: and when I have a go and have my annual 414 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 2: medical checkup. You know, there's no lungdy in disease, there's 415 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 2: no defects or anything. But had I quit smoking, say now, 416 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 2: I probably would have done some very long lasting damage 417 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 2: that would be very hard to recover from. So do 418 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 2: all the stupid things in your twenties. That's the advice 419 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 2: I would give to anybody young to because you've got 420 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 2: to find out what you want to do, who you 421 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 2: want to be, and that's the best time to do it. 422 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: And I'm also very lucky because Facebook, LinkedIn and all 423 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 2: those but didn't exist when I was in my twenties. 424 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely, there'll be some photos of all of us from 425 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: Oh there will be somewhere. 426 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: But there'll be physical photos, some attic somewhere. 427 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, no, it's true. I mean that's the 428 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: time to do the crazy things. And I always feel 429 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: somewhat bad for people who are young doing crazy things 430 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: because there's you know, you can wind up with photos 431 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: following you for the rest of your life. 432 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 2: But one of the things I do tell people is 433 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: find five people dead or alive that you most admire 434 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: and ask yourself, what is it about them that you admire? 435 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: There'll be some characteristic trait about them that you will admire. 436 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: And one of my writing hero is Ian Fleming. He 437 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 2: created James Bond stories. And I think the thing that 438 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: really I liked, I admired about him is because of 439 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: his writing style. But then I discovered that he would 440 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 2: fly off to Jamaica every January. He had a house 441 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 2: in Jamaica and he'd spend six weeks every morning, nine 442 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 2: till twelve writing the next James Bond book. Now that 443 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 2: whole thing just lit up me because I'm going, oh, routine, daily, routine, 444 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 2: three hours writing. I just thought, wow, And it's always resonated. 445 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 2: That kind of thing resonated and people like, you know, 446 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: getting to know about Dwayne Johnson and he's some of 447 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: his YouTube videos and LinkedIn videos oh sorry, Instagram videos 448 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 2: you know say exercise for him comes first every day, 449 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 2: And I'm going, yeah, I mean, there's no reason why 450 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: no anyone could do that, not necessarily have your own 451 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: gym follow you around the world like he does. But 452 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: maybe every day I go out for twenty minutes walk 453 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 2: every morning or something like that. It's not difficult, but 454 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: once it's embedded, you just can't. It's like brushing your 455 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: teeth every day. It's just something that you just do. Yeah, 456 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: you should see me on an aeroplane a fifteen hour flight. 457 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: I'm walking round nowadays, and nowadays I wait for people 458 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: to go to sleep because they ever have they'll turn 459 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: the lights out. Then I'll start walking. 460 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: I'll start walking. That's good. What on earth is he doing? 461 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: He keeps walking around? I thought, ID better wait until 462 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: you go to see. 463 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: And of course, of course, so Carl, I always ask 464 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: my guest, what is something you have done recently to 465 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: take a day from great to awesome? 466 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. Tell you what it is is. 467 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: Because right now I'm suffering from jet lag. So I'll 468 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: wake up at like two o'clock in the morning. Now 469 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 2: I could just toss and turn in bed, hoping one 470 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: sleep will come. I've learned it doesn't, or if it does, 471 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 2: it'll come at like seven o'clock in the morning. So 472 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 2: I just get up, come into the home office and 473 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 2: get my work done. Now that time, between two and 474 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 2: six it is four hours, and I get a ton 475 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: of work done. And then the rest of the day 476 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: when I get hit by you know, the jet like 477 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: really hits in, I can just go back to bed, 478 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: and I have no guilt because all the important work 479 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 2: has been done. And sometimes I'm actually quite disappointed when 480 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 2: the jet lag wears off. I go back to my 481 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 2: normal hours because now it doesn't feel quite as easy. 482 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: But wow, if i'm and I always I mean, I'm 483 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: not a great sleeper, but you know, I often think, well, 484 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: could I just do that in normal time? If I 485 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: wake up at like three and can't get back to sleep, 486 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: just get up and get on with the work. At 487 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 2: least I can go back and take a nap. But 488 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 2: that one is if he's had something most recent well, 489 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: yeah that was this weekend. I could have spent four 490 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 2: hours tossing and turning in bed, got up, felt rough 491 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: all day and got a lot done. Or get up 492 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: now while I feel good, get the work done and 493 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 2: then go back to bed. 494 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I love it, So Carl, Where can people 495 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: find you? 496 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 2: A best place find me is at my website, kylepouline 497 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 2: dot com. Although these days apparently you can just type 498 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: my name in Google and you'll find me. Apparently, yes, yes, 499 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 2: but I just tend to say you can get to 500 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: me on socials and everything through my website. It's all there, 501 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: sounds good. 502 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: All right, well, Carl, thank you so much for joining us. 503 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: Thank you to everyone for listening. If you have feedback 504 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: about this or any other episode, you can always reach 505 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: me at Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. In the meantime, 506 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: this is Laura. Thanks for listening, and here's to making 507 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: the most of our time. Thanks for listening to Before Breakfast. 508 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: If you've got questions, ideas, or feedback, you can reach 509 00:26:51,320 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: me at Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. Before Breakfast 510 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: is a production of iHeartMedia. 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