1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Morning. 4 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 3: Everybody is Steen, j Envy, Charlamagne, the gud We are 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 3: the Breakfast Club. 6 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: We got a special guest in the building, legend the 7 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: brother a Z. Yes, sir, welcome. Yes, first time I 8 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: got to Breakfast Club. 9 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: Too, right, first time? 10 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 4: Yes? 11 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: Why are you feeling black man? 12 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 4: Feel juvenated? Evolved? 13 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: But you put you put out music pretty frequently, though 14 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: it's not like you you know, this is your first 15 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: project in forever. 16 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 4: Every couple of years it feel like you dropped something single. 17 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 4: I think I think the last album was Door twenty one, 18 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 4: but before that it was a singles. 19 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: That's okay, got you got You, Got You, Got you 20 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: got you. I always wanted to ask you, man, why 21 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: you do something steal like that in belly Man. Why 22 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: you ain't want them? Why you didn't want them that 23 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 2: you saw some trouble coming. 24 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 4: Listen, when they give you a script, you gotta follow 25 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 4: the script. It's a script. In reality, I wouldn't even 26 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 4: been on the block with the babe in reality. No 27 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 4: way in the world I understand that one. 28 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: But yeah, for people that don't know, as I don't 29 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 3: know the history of a zy let's gotart from the beginning. 30 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: Where is a zy from? And what got you into music? 31 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: Brooklyn? 32 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 4: I'm a Brooklyn guy, of course, like everybody else. The 33 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 4: sugar Hill Gang, you know, King Tim the third eighty 34 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 4: nineteen eighty that dropped and hip hop turned to everybody out, 35 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. As far as me getting on, 36 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 4: that wasn't by design. It just happened, you know, just 37 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 4: being at the right place, right time, meeting Niles on 38 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 4: the phone and just happened. 39 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: How did you how did you mean? Now? Is you 40 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: from Brooklyn? 41 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 3: He added that connect cause back then, you know, it 42 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: was Burrow to Burrow, Brooklyn messed with Brooklyn, Queens mess 43 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 3: with Queens. 44 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: Harlem was with Harlem b XBX right. 45 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 4: It was a homey thing, you know what I mean. 46 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 4: My homieknew was homeiere Like yo, my people's been in 47 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 4: your people's old on the phone me actually, me and 48 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 4: I was on the phone for a year first or 49 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 4: even bomp Pez and I never asked to get on 50 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 4: an album. I came to the studio, he invited me. 51 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 4: I went a couple of times prior to were doing 52 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 4: Lives of Bitch and just you know, just being supportive 53 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and we put on li 54 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 4: Likes of Bitches. I saw rapping myself henew. I was 55 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 4: going back and forth. But when he heard it, he 56 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 4: was like, I need that, man, I need that on 57 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 4: the joint. I'm thinking he's playing because I think halftime 58 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 4: was out of it was it was crazy in the 59 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 4: streets for him. I didn't have belief for myself at 60 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 4: the time, you know what I mean, But that was crazy. 61 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: So hopped on the joint and he kept it on 62 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 4: the alb. 63 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: Why didn't you have belief in yourself? Because it's like 64 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 2: the first time we heard you on Life to Bitch, 65 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: you like, who is that? 66 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 4: Well? Who likes they voice? The first time to hear it? 67 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 4: I mean when you was on air for the first time, 68 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 4: you probably yeah, I was like, And then he was 69 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 4: so critically claimed in the streets, no streets is it 70 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 4: was like the changing of the guards at the time, 71 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: and I was like, he's just being cool, you know what. 72 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: I could argue that Life's of Bitch is the best 73 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 2: record on Illmatic. I can argue that when you think oftic, 74 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: you think of that record. 75 00:02:54,080 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 3: Man, looking at such a classic out that one. 76 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: But then you got like you said halftime, it ain't 77 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: hard to tell. You got great records. 78 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: But I'm just talking about. 79 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 4: Thing. I think that being the last song that they 80 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 4: heard because his tape was so revered in the streets 81 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 4: and it was everybody just had it before the album 82 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 4: came out. So I think Lives of Bits was like 83 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 4: the last song nobody heard or expected. So when they 84 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 4: heard it, like because you feeling nobody could really out 85 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 4: wrap this guy right here right when you're handing him. 86 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 4: We first heard him when he put me on. I 87 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 4: figured he's being nice. 88 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: That the music in that that song was was I 89 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: think something different. I mean, you think about it, right, 90 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: y'all rapping it in, you hit the at the horns 91 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: at the end, and the horns are going and you're 92 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 3: riding through it, and it was just that project was 93 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: just an amazing project. 94 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: Hook in the world. 95 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: You felt that if you was in a certain I agree, yeah. 96 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 4: I mean at that time, I guess it was a 97 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 4: lot of the streets at that time, you know what 98 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 4: I mean, and everybody was just trying to figure it out. 99 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: So so we was that hook. 100 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: Me okay, okay, So he gave you the beat and 101 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: you did diverse in the hooking it. 102 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 4: No, he't give me. Actually, all LEAs was playing a 103 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 4: beat and I was just in the studio and I 104 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 4: heard it. I was in my own zone, you know, 105 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 4: back in the days. Well, I don't know how I 106 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 4: go now, I'm you know, everybody do studios different. But 107 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 4: in the studio, everybody's in the studio, you know what 108 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 4: I mean. So these three over there smoking weed, them 109 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 4: three over there drinking here, and see I'm finally over there. 110 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 4: Just I'm in my own zone because I'm new. I'm 111 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 4: from Brooklyn. The whole Queen's crew in there, you know. 112 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 4: I'm okay, I'm just meeting everybody. But I was in 113 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: my own zone and he heard it. He was like, Yo, 114 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: spit that again. Get out ship shit. And then like 115 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: going going to booth. You know, I spit it. I 116 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 4: had the hook already, and then they heard it. They 117 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 4: was like, Yo, that's it, you know what I mean. 118 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: It went crazy. I was like, I keep it. I 119 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 4: still wasn't really, you know, but then he kept it 120 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 4: on the album. Salute him. 121 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: We did for the whole process of that album. 122 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 3: No, not the probably half half and y'all recorded that. 123 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 4: In the city or Queens or not in the city. 124 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: They So now that record comes out right, and and 125 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: people of like Charlamade said, who's that? 126 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 4: Who's that? 127 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: Who's that? And now when when did you get your deal? 128 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: Because everybody thought you were from Harlem? Wow, Cause sugar Hill, 129 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: because you. 130 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 4: Cover you cover all this record, I couldn't correlate it, 131 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: right because I didn't know nothing. I knew about Harlem. 132 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 4: I didn't know about you know what I mean, the 133 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 4: whole situation. So sugar Hill was taking a bit of 134 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 4: with the sweet right, So because l E. S bought 135 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 4: to beat, you know what I'm saying, and he already 136 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 4: kind of more or less had the hook in his head. 137 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 4: I'm I'm trying to figure it out, right, because I 138 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 4: got a couple of verses. I don't. I'm not in 139 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 4: album mold. I'm trying to figure this whole shit out. 140 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 4: Some people do. Buddy was you know, you know, got 141 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 4: got the deals and know what it took, so I 142 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 4: had I had to start from scratch. So but it's cool. 143 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 4: But yeah, but you're saying now. 144 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: About people thought you were from Harlem because of the 145 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 3: sugar Hill at first. So you did that record and 146 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 3: then you put Miss Jones on the record, right, how 147 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: do you come to miss Jones? 148 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: During that time, At that time, we was. 149 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 4: We were trying to figure out who's gonna sing on 150 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 4: the hook? We had we had faith Evans, Like a 151 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 4: couple of people auditioned and Jones you hit it, hit 152 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 4: it so me being naives everything, I was just flown. 153 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 4: I'm flowing, just trying to get to it. 154 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: Man, that's crazy. I thought. I always thought assumed you 155 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: were from Queens until I read up on your history 156 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: back in the day and I'm like, oh, he's from Brooklyn. 157 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 2: And now I think I'm like, well, damn, how come 158 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: they don't mention a Z with the great Brooklyn mcs. 159 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: Like whenever somebody be like who the nicest from Brooklyn, 160 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: regardless of what Barrow you would be from, you'd be listed. 161 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 4: I mean, my name come up. I mean I heard 162 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 4: I heard a few times. 163 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: Cool on. One of the greatest you talk about a 164 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: lot of a lot of this history was that you 165 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: just letting people know like this is how I got on, 166 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: this is what I've been doing, and this is why 167 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 2: I wanted the best. 168 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, well you know what, I wanted to show another 169 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 4: side of me, right, because most of the time I 170 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 4: wrap up, there's a lot of Barados just really just 171 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 4: spitting poetry, and you know, I just wanted to really 172 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 4: take him, take him on a tour, off really the 173 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 4: inception and what I've seen and what I've been through, 174 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: just you know, to take the fans on, you know, 175 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 4: a little journey with me. Yeah, I feel like I'm 176 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 4: one of the greatest. Now I feel like that. I 177 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 4: feel like I'm good. I got enough albums under the belt, 178 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 4: you know, I know the greats, I could dance with them, 179 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm tired of myself. One of the greats 180 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: is the fact. 181 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: One thing I would say about a z is coming 182 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: up in New York. I would see as was always 183 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 3: out right. I would see it at a function, a party, 184 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 3: of club, whatever, or out and about. You would never 185 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 3: with too many people. 186 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: Maybe in the beginning, in the beginning, after a while, 187 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 4: I was like, let me figure it out, right because 188 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: early early in my career, Evem I folded. That was 189 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 4: like a slap in the face because you know, I'm 190 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 4: learning the game as we go along. It's a music business, right, 191 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 4: So now I'm like the forster kid in the business, 192 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 4: right because I'm going from label to label to label, 193 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 4: trying to figure it out. So you got a lot 194 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: of luggage on your back. It's hard to really figure 195 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 4: things out. Mix things a little more crazier, you know 196 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 4: what I mean. So, yeah, I was shaving the weight 197 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 4: as I was moving on with that. 198 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 2: Just the thing to do back then though, because everybody 199 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 2: had a big entourage. What you mean, Like as far 200 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: as being with a bunch of different people, you know, when. 201 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 4: You first coming in unknown game, you know, want to 202 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 4: feel comfortable, right, you know, certain people do certain things 203 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 4: that not necessarily you won't do, but that would do 204 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: at the time, meaning like I know he ain't gonna 205 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 4: by this time, you know what I mean. Sometimes you know, 206 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 4: hold that down, you know what I'm saying, Or I 207 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 4: don't want to hop out the car to go, you know, 208 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 4: go see if I get in the club without staying 209 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 4: on the line, you know what I mean. 210 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: So you need people around for that. Yeah, you know. 211 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 2: Andre three thousand recently said that at his age of 212 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: forty eight, he feels like he has nothing to rap about. 213 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: You clearly don't feel that way. 214 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 4: No, I mean for me, everybody, everybody different, right For me, 215 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 4: it feel like I'm representing for those that really never 216 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 4: made it or see me made it in my mind. 217 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 4: This is this is me in my mind, Like damn. 218 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 4: You know a lot of homies lost their lives, a 219 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 4: lot being locked up for long time. So I'm like, 220 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 4: I'm just represented for them caving the torch. I probably 221 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: had never stopped exactly. 222 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: Also through your career, you guys create the firm. Ah, Now, 223 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: how was the firm created? And how did you guys 224 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: decide to pick the members of the firm? 225 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 4: M how was the from I mean, me and Nas 226 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 4: had that idea for a while for my album for 227 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 4: More Money, More Murder, And then from there we Fox. 228 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 4: Well I knew Fox and she was just at that time, 229 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 4: I think I don't I'm trying to remember how it 230 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 4: really happened, but I know Kim was doing her thing, 231 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 4: and then I'm like, oh, I know somebody from Brooklyn. 232 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 4: He was like cool. So then we bought Fox at 233 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 4: the table and she was getting hot. I think she 234 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 4: did the jay Z joint. After that, it was was 235 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 4: Nas brought Mega to the table and and and and 236 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 4: then you have it, and then all the other things 237 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 4: took place. 238 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: Then y'all decided to do a project with Dre fat. 239 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay with that part with nas messing with 240 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: Dre and and it was written and he going double 241 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 4: platinum made it that much easier, made it that much 242 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 4: easier for the firm to happen. So uh gave it 243 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 4: a shot. You know, everybody was really successfully doing their 244 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,599 Speaker 4: own thing, you know what I mean, And and it 245 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 4: made it that that easier. But it was a lot 246 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 4: of cooks in the kitchen, you know what I mean, 247 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 4: like management and labels, and it was it became hectic 248 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 4: on that and really, you know, reap the fruits. 249 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: I was gonna ask because I felt like that project 250 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: never got the lighted deserve, right y'all stepped outside the 251 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: box with wire tap, y'all your firm bits. I seen 252 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: the video the other day, but I felt like with 253 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: the amount of artists on there, when even when it 254 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: went from Megat to Nature and you and Fox and Noveg, 255 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: just felt like it should have been a bigger project. 256 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: But it kind of felt like it just fizzled out. 257 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 4: I mean, it was so much going on. It was 258 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 4: just so so much, man, you know, you got, like 259 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 4: I said, different labels, management contracts. It was just too much. 260 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 4: I think, you know what I mean, I guess after 261 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 4: they invested with so much, they figured like, all right, 262 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 4: this is enough. We we ain't gonna keep building the 263 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 4: midnight oil on this. 264 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: Who's idea was the wire tap? 265 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 4: I would say, I would say it was it was 266 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 4: I say it was mys I take that because me 267 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 4: being in there and Dre doing the beat, I hopped 268 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 4: in there, got the zone I had. I had an idea, 269 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 4: but the NAS came up with like the hook. Yeah, 270 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 4: it was a good thing, man. That was good. Listen, 271 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 4: they're still talking about it. 272 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: Sometimes. I watched I watched y'all show time with the 273 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 2: Apollo performance pretty frequently. Y'all did affirmative action on showtime 274 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: at the Apollo. Y'll start off sitting at the table. 275 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: Do you remember that night? 276 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 4: Do I remember when I see it? I remember because 277 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 4: because when I was young, I remember seeing that on TV. 278 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 4: And I don't know why that stands out to me 279 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 4: so much, And I was I watched. I was watching 280 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 4: it recently, like like like in the last few months. 281 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 2: You know, you're home on a Saturday, and that going 282 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 2: through YouTube's that firm performance up there. 283 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 4: That was good. Well we perform phone. 284 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 2: Tap, y'all did affirmative action, y'all sitting at the table 285 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: now that on the white joint with the like. 286 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: The Cowboy, I saw it. I saw it. 287 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 4: I'm thinking about the toll. We was on tour, the 288 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: bad Boy tour, and that came out. A couple of 289 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 4: people was on a jay. So I'm with a toy. 290 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 4: We performed. We had a nice little toy. It was 291 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 4: nice day. Yeah, there's no way out to our think. 292 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 4: I believe it was. There was a lot of people 293 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 4: in there. I know for sure, Jay was on it. 294 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 4: You remember anything very probably probably was jail for that. 295 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 4: I know it was a couple of But that was 296 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 4: a good tour, you know what I mean, for all 297 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 4: of us being together and really rocking. 298 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 2: That was good. 299 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: How did you always stay out of the Your name 300 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: was never mentioned in beef, no matter what beef happened, 301 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: and since you were always cool with everybody, whether it 302 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: was Hove or or Nas and Kim. 303 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: And and Fox and you were always but you would 304 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: never mention in the beef. And you never jumped in. 305 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,719 Speaker 4: There's nothing to jump in, like it's rat Well, this 306 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 4: is not, you know what I mean? So how many 307 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 4: people jumped in any of the nobody jumped in j 308 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 4: and Nas beef. 309 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: Then they try to jump the whole rocker Filler jumped 310 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: in on. 311 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 4: Nas is different right like when when he's when he attacking, 312 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 4: he won't tell you. He didn't say, Yo, I need help, 313 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: I need your comedy. He'll get low when you don't 314 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 4: hear for a moment, then he just you know what 315 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 4: I mean? So that was him. Kim and and Fox, 316 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 4: they you know, they females. They was doing what they 317 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 4: was doing. I don't even think they went on wax. 318 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: Did they a couple of times? 319 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 2: Really little balls in there? Ain't crazy? You tied of 320 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: this album? Truth be told? But what truth are you telling? 321 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 4: My truth? You know, just just my truth on when 322 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 4: I when I did one of the Greats, I felt 323 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 4: like I was just being personal. I took the title 324 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 4: from there and all of the other songs were just 325 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 4: me just expressing my my perspective, you know what I mean. 326 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 2: So yeah, how'd you pick your features? And you only 327 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: got three features on the album? You got more MoU 328 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: Fresh that Joe foul much, I. 329 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 4: Mean foul marks, stand up all day, Liverpool, Liverpool Monster. 330 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 4: I actually he was on thirty six Seasons that ghosted. 331 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 4: That was crazy. I always wanted to, you know, do 332 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: a record with him. At the end of the day, Joe, 333 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 4: me and Joe, Joe was just there, Joe good brother, 334 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Actually from him giving me sneakers. 335 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 4: I kind of seen him back to back after that 336 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 4: at the nas uh the dinner thing, you know, I 337 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 4: just kept running into him. I'm like, okay, I got 338 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 4: I got Joe get busy and she was on a 339 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 4: show I spost have been on. I was like, who 340 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 4: is Moumo Fresh? And I looked up. She was crazy, 341 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 4: She's we got to do more music. 342 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: Her voice is phenomenal. Rap, Yeah, she said, her singing 343 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: and rapping. Yes, Yes, what's the show you're supposed to 344 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: be on? Excuse me, you said you said the show show. 345 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: I didn't even know it was. It was a band 346 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 4: and they were going to be to do the show 347 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 4: and then they had hell on it and someone else. 348 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 4: I just looked it up. I was like, oh, I'm 349 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 4: doing the show with you know, I mean trying to 350 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 4: follow up. 351 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 2: So, yeah, what do you think was there any disconnect 352 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: with like you in the industry, like back in the nineties, 353 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: because it feels like you were set up to like 354 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: win and win big. Yeah. 355 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 4: But like I said, when when I and my folded, 356 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: everybody has a label that pushes them. I didn't have 357 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 4: a label at that time, so it was a rap 358 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 4: to me, right, So in my mind, I keep on going. 359 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 4: So I'm going from from there to Virgin, from virgin 360 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 4: to Electure, from electure. The more like, I kept the 361 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 4: beauty of it. I've never been dropped, and the beauty 362 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 4: of it is they didn't try to put shelf me, 363 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So that was a great thing. 364 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: Were they making you make music that you necessarily didn't 365 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: want to make or. 366 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 4: No, no, I have free will? 367 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 3: You know? 368 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 4: It was just that, you know, if a label not 369 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 4: behind you at that time, now that we know the game, 370 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 4: you're not going. But so far, you know what I mean, 371 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 4: because it's a lot they got to put in market, promotion, radio, 372 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 4: they're not one hundred percent behind you. Is nothing's happening. 373 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: You think you get the credit acknowledgement that you put 374 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: in in all the records that you've done, that you deserve, 375 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: especially this year with fifty years of hip hop, you 376 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: see all these celebrations that I'm thinking, I'm like Damn, 377 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 3: I've never seen az mention in the majority of. 378 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 4: M do I I never really thought about that either. 379 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm here, you know, I'm in depending I've 380 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 4: been in the game. I think in due time, you know, 381 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 4: everything is surface. But I mean the true has they 382 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 4: know what it is, you know what I mean? They 383 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: know I'm sure no, But like I said, this is 384 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 4: a business. Let's not forget that, you know, And there's 385 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 4: a lot of things to go behind these names and 386 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 4: things that's being done. You know, a lot of sponsorship, 387 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 4: a lot of people vouching for certain things. And it's cool. 388 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure the lover is there within the 389 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 4: music business and outside, Like I'm kind of cool. Everybody 390 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 4: got a position to play. It was the end of 391 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 4: the day, you know what I'm saying, Like I stand 392 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 4: on it. 393 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: This cool. 394 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 4: You know you got those there, you got those is 395 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 4: really there and you got those right here. You know, 396 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 4: I figure, I'm right here, you know what I mean, 397 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 4: And that's my position. 398 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: There was always rumors that you and now I was 399 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 3: supposed to do a couple of albums together. Whatever happened 400 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: to that when we got the like's a bitch more money, 401 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: more problems. 402 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 4: Listen, that's my brother. I ask that man, you know 403 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 4: what I mean. But I'm here, never be ready, I'm here. 404 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: Did he inspire you, you know with what he was 405 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: doing with hit Boy over the last few years. 406 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, facts, facts, he definitely did. I mean to 407 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 4: see him constantly put music out and stay relevant and 408 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 4: and and and as as his pingt Sharper's like, it 409 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 4: inspires me, like, yeah, that's my boy, and that's what 410 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 4: made me just really of course had to put door 411 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 4: do too. But now just staying on it right now, 412 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 4: ain't know like yoice, my last album were now we 413 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 4: ain't doing that. 414 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: And where the visualizer? Where did that come from? 415 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 4: Visualizing the realisab You took it from there? Okay, okay, 416 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 4: took it from there. They gave me that title. 417 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 2: So they started calling people, Wow, what what what? What 418 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 2: did what did you? What did you visualize for yourself 419 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 2: that that absolutely came true in this in this rap game. 420 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 4: That's a little dream for the more peace that never 421 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 4: made it. 422 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 2: That's it, that's it. That's all. 423 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 4: I can't ask for too much. You know. 424 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 2: The reason I like that mentality, man, is because you know, 425 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: you got so many people like I want to be 426 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: a billionaire. I want to sell records. Yo, Sometimes just 427 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: being alive is enough, being able to represent for the 428 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 2: people who are not here. 429 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 4: No more. Great, great expectations bring a great disappointment, you 430 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 4: know what I mean? So yeah, so have you ever 431 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: had any expectations for yourself in this game? In this game, 432 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: just just just to stay relevant. And I think I'm 433 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 4: doing a good job, you know, and staying out the 434 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 4: way because it's you know, just be a lot. I 435 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 4: see a lot of things to use for marketing tools. 436 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 4: Like you know when I see things and I can't 437 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 4: really understand why it's going on, and you sit back, like, 438 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 4: see what's going on? So just the game. It's a 439 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,239 Speaker 4: game of entertainment. I'm figuring out and it's it's late 440 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 4: in the game, but I get it now because I'm time, 441 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 4: Like why would you want to mess the money up? 442 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: Like? 443 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 4: Why is God? I get it now, you know what 444 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 4: I mean? Get the tools to make their ship move. 445 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: You know. That's why I love when people our age 446 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: still make music. Right because I'm riding, I'm listening to 447 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 2: your album and you just have one line you was like, 448 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: get money, give back, stay out the way. I'm like, well, 449 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 2: that's my life. 450 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: That's what I like. 451 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: That's that something up everything, get money, get stay off 452 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: the way. 453 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 4: Comes beautiful after that, and people in time, a few 454 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 4: people figured out and then some people regret it later, 455 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 4: like I could you know what I man like? So yeah, 456 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just enjoying the journey at the end 457 00:18:59,040 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 4: of the day. That's it. 458 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 3: Well, the album is out right now, truth be told, sir, 459 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 3: And we appreciate you for joining us. 460 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 4: Brother, appreciate you for having me first time up here. 461 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: That's right. 462 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 4: And it was it was great to walk up the stairs. 463 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 4: It was a good thing. That was good. 464 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: It is the Brother Yes, yes, it's the Breakfast Club. 465 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: Good morning.