WEBVTT - Ep. 319: Stuffed 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.320 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven versatile 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:28.080 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:35.600 every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer, turn the 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.920 machine on, Phil, I'll say a bold statement, machines. You 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.839 wanna hear bold statement. Let's start show out. YEA, most 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:48.680 people I know this to be true because of anecdotal evidence, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.520 So it must be true. It must be true because 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.840 Andal Evan's most people, like a majority of people who 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.640 are into falconry, came to it not through an interest 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.120 in hunting. They came to it through an interest in 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:07.800 dungeons and dragons. I listen, this is a true thing. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.440 I've got, like probably my left big toe kind of 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:15.120 dipped into that world, Steve, And that's absolutely true. Yeah, 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.560 my brother Danny used to live up in Alaska. There 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:21.800 was some falconers and they had gotten into huge snakes. 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:27.000 They were way into D and D that's what they 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.920 called dungeon dragons all in high school and and then 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:36.280 got into falconry all out of like Sorcerer stuff. These 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.640 are people that like to dress up like it's Shakespeare 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.959 and go to the park and joust. It's called ling 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.960 action role playing. What about what about your buddy, the 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.560 world's greatest small game hunter? Didn't he engage in some 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.240 He did, yes, but he's an exception to the rule. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.520 I said a majority, meaning if you had a hundred 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.840 fifty one him came through D and D. I know 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.400 some exceptions to Phil just say, you know, when I 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:08.639 go hunting and don't successfully kill anything, I just tell 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:13.400 people I have been a lart ping go creeping around, 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:15.440 and they just feel bad for you and kind of nod. 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:19.200 That's all. That's great, right exactly. John Hayes from Hayes 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.079 Taxidermy Studio, what do you think about that. You've got 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.560 these strong opinions. You don't want to alienate potential customers. See, 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.480 he's gonna start dogging on D and D people. And 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.120 then some guy was like, gonna send over his rabbit 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.120 or whatever. It's all full of talent holes and he's like, 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.000 I'm not sending it to him now because he dogged 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.359 on D and D. You gotta stay on top, You 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.640 gotta stay in good graces with everybody. Don't try to 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.360 keep everybody happy as a tax ERNs. You can't afford 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:47.320 to alienate people. Man, I, me and Seth know about 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.639 a taxi nervous here in town that has really alienated 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:56.400 some people. Just talk to him this morning and beat 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.880 up other tax nervous and get people stuff, get people 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.720 stuff back, and then he's the business for yourself. It's 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.200 amazing how much stuff I've had brought to me from 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.560 other shops over the years. It's surprised I didn't like 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.359 know that was really like a thing I've had it? 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.000 Why would Why would they bring it? Because it's like 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.440 I just can't. Guy just pisces them off finally to 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:16.280 the point where they just don't want to deal with anymore, 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.640 dodging their calls. Takes payment, and Full doesn't complete it 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:21.480 in a timely manner, and then they go get it 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.600 and bring it. Yeah, and it's just sitting in a 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.519 freezer for two years or something, or tanned or in 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:31.800 a freezer or Yeah, we're ruined back in the stuff. 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:38.640 Oh dude, I'm fully accepted the fact that it's ruined. Yeah, 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:40.760 not just him, man, other friends of mine. I feel 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:44.080 horrible about it. Paid and Full too, a couple of 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.480 friends of mine we had we had a tax nervous 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:49.360 that we worked with for years and was and you know, 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:54.640 very very good, very reliable, and then uh, and we 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.680 referred all of our clients to this this guy too. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:03.400 And you know, so I have like an unbelievable amount 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.680 of store credit to a store that doesn't exist anymore, 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:10.040 because one day, where do I take this credit out? 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:15.400 One day? Right? It was just like a guy just 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.560 up and left the whole business, the whole deal just 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:24.200 walked away. Yeah yeah, but like no no offense, dude. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.600 But people in your business, like, I don't know where 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:32.760 they find him? Oh my god. Yeah yeah. I'm always 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:34.840 like yeah, I'm a taxiderm as and I'm always waiting 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.279 for some sort of response or the stories start coming out. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:40.599 I knew this guy, and I'm like, gosh, yeah, we 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:44.120 need to establish John as like an upstanding member of 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.080 the taxidermy community. He's got a whole he's got a 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.000 whole box, he's got a whole box of my stuff. 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.080 He's got my boys mule here. He's got my bear, 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.599 which looks beautiful. Well, my bear skull already got my 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.000 bare road back. The bear skull looks beautiful. That'll be 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:04.080 another question for you later is um, ah, why sometimes? 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.120 But I'm I'm not saying it's not on a laziness. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:08.919 But a great question that you think people have for 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.200 tax nervous is um, what is the hold up? Sometimes? 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:15.480 Well you can think about you can answer now if 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:16.880 you want, Okay, I can tell you what the hold 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.200 up has been the last year is the tanneries with COVID. 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.760 I actually just received four goats back that brought into 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.800 me in a fallow up twenty just got them back. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.520 So not even your fault, No, No, it's just we're 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.920 just we have stuff that's been out for a year 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.200 and a half and it's still there. It's being processed 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.600 and everything's coming back fine. But yeah, I'm definitely starting 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.960 to get the phone calls. We're like, are you sure 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.719 it's okay. I'm like, I'm sure it's okay. It's just 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.719 there's nobody there to man the tannery for their short staff, 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.839 very short staff. We finally split it up between four 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.520 tanneries this year just to try to not overwhelm one 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.920 place and so we can get our turnaround times a 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.000 little better. Do you ever have tanneries lose your stuff. No, 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.360 thank god, knock knock on. There haven't had that happen yet. 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.359 I've had that happened before. It's hard for them to 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.919 lose stuff these days, you know, like you'll we'll have 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:09.839 a seal put in it that's got our name and 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:11.920 our code on it. Then it's punched with our invoice 0:06:12.000 --> 0:06:15.120 number um and he distinguishing marks. We always document so 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:16.800 if they sent me the wrong thing back, it would 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.640 be pretty obvious. Then I want to be one of 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.560 the top crisis season the tax during the world. Right, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.279 is cape condition yes? And and making sure it's my 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:30.240 cape yes, yep. And so the punches and the seals 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:34.039 that that helps make sure that that's accurate. I remember 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.320 a long time ago, we did one and mounted it 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:37.760 up for a guy and he came in and he 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:39.920 was like, oh, it looks great. Comes back the next 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.680 day and he's like, this isn't my dear, and we're like, 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.560 that's your dear, and he brought a picture out and yeah, 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:50.440 the cape's got switched around. He's like different haircut. Yeah, 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.440 it's totally different. So at that shop I was working 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.560 at that time, that's when we started implementing the seals, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:00.200 not just a punch already. This guy's reputable. I want time, 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:06.560 despite his occupation, despite his calling. I sent a coyote 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:08.880 that was like super red one time to the tannery. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.440 Looked like a red fox, was kyote and uh. A 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.800 couple of months later, I get my kio back in 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.840 the mail and open it up, and it's freaking gray 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.480 as grey can be. You gotta wonder, like how much 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.600 when you bring meat to a processor because you got 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.440 no way of no one. Yeah, like there with with 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.800 a cape or a bear or something, you'd be like, look, man, 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.200 the bear I shot had a big white spots on 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.080 his chest and this bear is red, right, but like 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:37.200 how much meat? They're like, I don't know this. Help 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.239 just give him an help. Yeah, it's from that person whatever, 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.920 like that out rotted. He'll probably never come back for it. 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.560 That guy. Give that guy that OK and that guy 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.880 that open probably happens a whole time. And tell the 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.040 guy who's calling right now that we're really backed up 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.760 because COVID. Oh when people here, just I'll be a 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.880 thou and dollars richer. Why is that? Steve? Well, I'll 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:06.119 tell you why, because'm gonna win that Derby tomorrow Duck's 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:11.120 on ice. Oh yeah, you could be richer if you 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:15.960 catch the biggest fish of the whole. Damn, there's a 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:20.360 side thing if you if you have if you're fishing, No, no, 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.360 it's between it's between bourbon, walleye and perch. If you 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.160 happen to catch the biggest fish out of the entire derby, 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:30.040 you win. Well why would we not just spend tomorrow 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.760 tip up and for bourbon and win all that money? Well, 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.960 I mean that could be a your strategy could be 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:40.120 this the time, like the the timing for it's not 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.000 good for. It's not good for. You can't start until 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.160 eight while I tried that last I tried that on 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:46.600 my birthday. And let me tell you how that went. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:51.720 It was a long day. We were running what nineteen 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:57.160 tip ups twenty something like that salmon belly, the salmon 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.000 fins that I brought back from Alaska, like the little 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.480 uh what do you call him? A little pectoral finn 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.640 we had I don't know why, acres covered and tip 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.640 and you lord at the end and just oil comes 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.440 off it. Soccer strips that I bought off my kid, 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.080 not a not a flag. Well, no one falls trip. 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.559 Probably some trout at the time of year when it 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:23.400 supposed to be on fire a year ago, a year earlier. Yep, 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.720 we went from twenty four to zero man Canyan Ferry. 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.520 In my opinion, I don't know what's different this year, 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.520 but different. The water is super low. I should just 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.000 blow the damn drain the whole thing. Now it's useless. Yeah, 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.120 like I was gonna be the worst day in the world. 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.720 I think they I think they should manage it for 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.199 everything other than trout. Yeah. Man, like, it's so weird. 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.040 They're like, if you catch a perch, it's gonna be 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:53.920 bigger than a walley that you catch more than likely. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:58.640 So strange. My daughter yesterday said, I rememorized that. She said, 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.520 would you stop talking about that? No one even knows 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:08.839 what a derby is. Now I should go to it's 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.960 how Daddy's gonna make it. You couldn't go. I thought 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:15.080 it was Sunday, not Saturday. No, you can still go 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.000 buy the thing. It's forty bucks to get in this 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.600 for ducks unlimited fifty bucks at the door. Yeah, I 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.640 might join, Well, I just I'm not. I don't mean 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.920 to moral I'll shoot you morally. But I also included 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:35.760 a five dollar donation everybody. Every I was trying. I'm 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:37.760 just a modest little you know, nod. I was so 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.160 shocked that I did wasn't buying it at the door 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.000 that I was actually I was like, I'm gonna give 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.640 him at the door like it was normal, which normally 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.720 I would do this at the last minute. Yeah, yeah, 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.640 I might join. Oh, I hit us real quick with UM. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:57.320 I know it's like early and you haven't read everything yet, 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.720 but the eagle study that's you're making its round right now? Man, 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:06.480 what's your take? Half of all eagles? So if if 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:09.479 you haven't read the study, but you're only reading headlines, 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.520 you would it would seem that there's a bunch of 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.240 anti hunters out there that came out with the study 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.760 that the hunters are killing all the eagles in the 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:26.920 US half of them. Um. And as with studies, they 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.600 can be applied in certain ways. And what this was 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:35.600 was they did a study in the US of eagle health. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.120 And can I interrupt you for saying this is bald 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:44.960 and golden, bald and golden yea, both of them, and um, 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:49.480 you know I think they were like eagles captured um 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:53.000 or or or analyzed in the study and and then 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:56.120 that right is like and then if you applied that 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.840 to the entire United States, that's this is what you 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:03.560 could get. Um for I guess like the dose of 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:08.600 reality is, uh, do not pay attention to things that 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:12.439 that's Compare the effects of lead on people to the 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.640 effects of lead on birds. It turns out we're very 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:23.439 different aside from the flying and the the highly acidic stomach. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.400 So the feathers throw me off to you know, Um, 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:33.200 I've seen some people eat in similar ways. But uh, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:37.840 you know, lead does have a fast and and oftentimes 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:42.680 deadly effect on birds that eat carrion, and you know 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:47.680 that that is the truth. So um, you know. The 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:52.040 other thing to look at here, though, is ego populations 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.520 in much of the country are are actually expanding and growing. 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:02.400 And so it comes down to this conversation that you'll 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:06.199 hear many many times, like the individual versus the population? 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:10.400 Are we having population level effects? And where those things 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:13.960 are overlapping would be like the case like the California 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.319 condor right, where if you were to kill an individual, 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:22.200 that individual's death could then have an overall effect on 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:28.160 the population. So um, I'm gonna do more of an 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:32.320 in depth go through this thing, um on the weekend review. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.680 This is like broad strokes. With Cal's we can review, 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.680 ladies and gentlemen, Cal's we can review. I feel like anymore, 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:42.360 you can't drive like ten miles without seeing a bald eagle. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:47.920 They're everywhere. No, they're pr person screwed up. You just 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:53.880 get all excited seeing one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, um so yeah. 0:13:54.040 --> 0:14:00.199 Some of these headlines are very misleading, as per usual UM, 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:04.200 and as per usual good you know, good science should 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.840 be applauded UM, and lots of people can take that 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.400 good science and apply it in ways where He's like, 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:15.360 but if and that's why you gotta read this stuff. 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.720 Thanks Cal. We'll be following this one. Listen, I'm gonna 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.720 crystal ball it for a minute. This is gonna make everybody, 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:27.600 oh man, this issue is here's my crystal ball. This 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:36.040 ain't going away and stop. This discussion is not about 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.920 to end. It is not about that's my crystal ball prediction. 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.560 And you know I always say, like you have a 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:47.680 choice as a hunter to uh purchase non toxic ammunition 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.800 and and you know non toxic ammunition the variety that's 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:58.520 on the shelf right now. Uh is way broader and 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.720 way better than it's ever been. And if you choose 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.880 to hunt with that stuff, you're not gonna have these 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.880 secondary effects, right, You're you're gonna kill the thing that 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:12.520 you're shooting and not the things that are eating the leftovers. Yeah. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.920 I don't want to equate it to like spanking little kids, 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:18.120 but it's just fading out sort of its own way, 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.200 you know. Um Like when I was a little good, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.040 every kid got spanked all the time. Now that's not 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.760 that many kids get spanked anymore. And I feel like 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.200 a lot of people are just and annoying made a 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.000 law about it, right, But I just like more and 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.640 more people I know, regardless of whether they're thinking about 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.720 raptors or whatever, are for big game at least shooting 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.920 model copper bullets. Did you see the article a couple 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:47.560 of weeks ago on the phasing out of whaling due 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:51.760 to the market, right, Like the market dictates, oh like 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.680 people are buying less than whale ol yeah, or whale 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.880 products right, and or the industries that still use whale 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:03.280 oil for stuff. Uh, And you think about you know, 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:07.840 the crazy, screaming, bloody murder on on the whale topics 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:12.200 and you know, like there's alternatives hitting the market every 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:16.840 day type of thing, and that's what is ending whale 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.640 industries in in certain areas. A Karan, why did you 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:25.080 Why did you decide it's not is it? Because it 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.320 has nothing to do with our subject matter on this 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:32.160 podcast that you removed the COVID Yankee candle review. That's 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:36.760 a funny article, which is the funniest thing. Yeah, so 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.240 everybody knows that Yankee candles are sort of like like 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.040 if your grandma has a candle in her house, it's 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.880 probably a Yankee candle. People like them because they have 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:51.800 a very potent, potent candles, No, nothing subtle about them. 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:56.080 And someone I have totally explored it, but someone tracked 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:04.919 COVID outbreaks with reviews of bad reviews of yanky whatever smell. 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:08.200 Whenever there's a big spike in a COVID outbreak, there's 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.080 a big spike and Yankee candle reviews that it doesn't 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:19.440 have any smells candles, So damn really the graphic tracks 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:25.520 like you just lay both charts on like this could 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:31.280 be a rough week, bro. Customer service cases are spike 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:36.600 and people are not smelling their cans. Uh oh, so 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:41.040 Brody got, I don't want to say it was not 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.680 like a PR crisis, because it's like a not very 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:47.760 widely viewed thing. But Brody has now developed the track 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:54.359 record of being something about his tonality when discussing dogs. Dogs. Yeah, 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:58.800 Brody gets to talking about dogs, Corey gets to getting 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.200 emails of people that are mad at him, and I'll 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.280 you know, I'm a dog owner. I love dogs. You've 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:11.440 always had Yeah, yeah, dogs, yep, yep, the first one, 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.200 you think he's like a bad dog Personce people got 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.600 madder than the Golden retriever. Eventually this will get the 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.480 peta I feel like. So, Brody observed, did you catch 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.160 what they called you? Did they call you a jack 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.879 wagon or an ass hat or something like that. It 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:34.280 was along those lines a category of insult um, Brody said. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:39.400 Brody observed, Yeah, we were talking about just passionately observed. Yes, 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.760 going back, we were talking. A gentleman wrote us about 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:48.920 he had an injured deer in his yard that his 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:53.240 dog went out and injured it. Further yadi yadi an 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:57.760 insult to injury. Yes, and we're chatting about it and 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:02.840 I made a comment that I made the comment that 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.880 this is on the skip the flip in. In certain states, 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.920 if you see a dog chasing deer, harassing big game, 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.080 attacking big game, it is legal to shoot the dog. 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.760 That got extrapolated out to me condoning the killing of 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:25.679 domestic It is reported this is on a thing called UH, 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.760 a Facebook group called Army of Orange, which I liked 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:34.359 the UH. It is reported that this jack wagon this 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:37.640 being bro to you Henderson. It is reported that this 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:45.440 jack wagon spouts off encouraging the shooting of domestic dogs. Yeah. Yeah, 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:49.240 let him and his sponsors and his publishers know how 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:51.879 you feel. What's funny is the guy making the post 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.880 hasn't listened obviously, because he just says it is reported. Yeah, 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.600 he's and he provides a link, and he's already calling 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:01.680 for a boycott. Yeah. And basically what I was doing 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.200 was making the case that you should train your dog 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.320 not to chase a deer, right because bad things happen 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:13.040 when dogs chase an attack deer. There and and a 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:17.680 lot of places, uh, pet dogs kill a lot of deer. 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:23.520 A grade school biology teacher here in Missoula, Montana who 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:27.199 was like, I see a dog chasing a deer, I 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:31.320 kill it that's right. That was like fifth grade growing 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:35.600 up in Missoula, Montana, which for those of you unfamiliar 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.439 with Montana would be seen as the liberal it's the 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.840 Paris of West central Montana. Yeah, that would be the 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:49.280 other thing. That's what I was thinking, especially from folks 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:57.040 and those French cheese from Missoula came up. His concern 0:20:57.119 --> 0:21:00.680 is legitimate. Sure, his concern is, hey man, there's a 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.119 lot of states were allowed to legally use dogs to 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.440 hunt deer, which I support where that's legal. I think 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.960 it should stay where it's legal and has been legal. 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:12.120 I think it should stay legal. And he points out 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:17.040 that a lot of hound hunters um are very reluctant 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:19.840 to let their dogs work on public land during deer 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:24.080 season for fear that vigilante UH people such as Brody 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.960 going down. I don't actually hunt deer. I hunt dogs. 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:34.280 But every every dog an incidental dear, regardless of if 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:38.760 you've trained your dog to run deer, every dog owner 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:43.160 has a long list of serious concerns for different times 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:45.600 of year. I'm like, where you're gonna take your dog? Right, 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:50.679 like the tangled up in a snare? And so his 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.040 point was good, But then what's funny is he gets 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:55.920 riled up and he's like, if that's true, I want 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:59.480 you to post the law. Right Probably someone post law 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.720 yeah from Brody State. Read how they word you want 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:07.919 the general rule Like someone's like this from someone pointed 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:09.879 out some points. I was like, he's just say he 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.159 didn't say you should. He's just saying it is. They're like, 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:14.920 well that's not and then someone's like, well no, it's statute, 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:17.080 blah blah blah. I was saying, if you don't want 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.920 that to happen, teach your dog not to chase deer. 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:24.679 And in Pennsylvania, the law says a dog declared a 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:31.399 public nuisance pursuant to Section four relating to declaring dogs 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:35.960 public nuisances may be killed by any commission officer at 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:39.679 any time or by any person when the dog is 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.480 found to be in the act of attacking a big 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:45.760 game animal, and you're then supposed to report it. Yes, 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:50.119 didn't get a call in uh. Any person who kills 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:54.159 a license this is this is crazy. That's if you 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:58.720 kill a license dog, if you you kill a non 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.280 licensed dog, and nothing to happen. In Pennsylvania, if you 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:05.159 kill a licensed dog, you shall notify the owner or 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:07.960 a commission officer within forty eight hours after the dog 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:11.960 was killed. Now, I really do want to point out 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.399 that I'm in favor of this law and probably not. 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:17.560 You're coming out on record he wasn't even he didn't 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.439 even pass. He didn't pass for the reason that you're thinking, 0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.720 I'm in favor of this law because there are so 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:30.400 many shitty dog owners outside and oftentimes I have been 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:35.880 able to say, uh, you know, you should really teach 0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:39.360 your dog not to run deer or go under the 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:41.680 three strand barbed buire fans and chase that guy's cattle 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:48.840 around because they can legally kill your dog. And I 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:52.760 also have to say, like I would be like the 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:58.200 most crushed individual you have ever seen if somebody were 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:03.040 to shoot my dog. That is why, which is what 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:05.400 I still think people should be able to shoot your dog. 0:24:08.000 --> 0:24:11.239 It's up to you responsibilities. Bold statement. Kel. I want 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:13.800 people to know that that was not brody because Cal 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:18.600 said it. No one's gonna care but Brody. They're like 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:24.600 that Brodian dogs here, girls, that spouting off dogs was 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.880 real bad. The Golden Retrievers, the dumbest dog. I still 0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:34.800 stand by that we're launching a new series where he's 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:37.960 got a train of golden retriever. Next year it'll just 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:40.240 be a show. We should drop like every Friday night 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:43.720 and be like Brody with ten new things about ten 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:48.120 new opinions about dogs. You have the picture over. Don't 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:56.720 like that? Remember like Letterman's like listening, it's outing dogs. 0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.520 Needs to be a Formalian segment, the weekend up day segments. 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:04.960 Uh so does that? Uh? Moving down? Oh? If you 0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:07.480 do in Pennsylvania, you kill a dog who's attacking a 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:11.320 big game animal, the owner, if the dog was licensed, 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:16.439 the owner is allowed to get the information about the time, place, 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:21.080 and circumstances relating to the death of the dog, and 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.080 they're allowed to learn the location. Well, that's kind of 0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:32.280 included in place. Also angry listeners, No, no, not angry listeners. 0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.679 I explained why when you're from southern Illinois you are 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:39.400 not southern and and some people got mad about that, 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:44.280 he said. One guy writes in I promise you that 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:50.760 is the most inaccurate thing you've ever said. That's a bold, 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:53.520 bold statement. He invites me to come down and hunt deer, 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:57.240 squirrel or turkey in Pope County, Illinois, and then comes 0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:59.920 see for myself. If the people there are Southern or not, 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:03.639 I think you'd be amazed. He says. We are the 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:08.879 furthest possible from the people who ice fish up in Chicago. Steve, 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:10.720 I was on your side until I actually looked at 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.960 a map, because I did not realize how south Illinois 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:19.879 South Illinois, bro, you can't be from the same place. 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:23.119 Lincoln was from Michael and from the south, and we 0:26:23.160 --> 0:26:26.080 had an actual Southerner. Michael Wadell greed, if you can 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:30.680 ice fish, you're not from the south. In Georgia, he said, 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:33.640 I've never laid eyes on a man ice fishing in Georgia. 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:36.200 It's on, it's on the same You know, latitude is 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:39.640 as Virginia's south of St. Louis. It's not far from Nashville. 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:46.520 It's it's pretty south the right. You got a draw 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:50.520 line somewhere. But if you notice, if you go back 0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.720 in your history book, the Mason Dixon line did not 0:26:53.960 --> 0:27:00.560 follow a a latitude borders right. It was like cock 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.320 eyed kind of line. Do we still use that too? 0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:06.399 I feel like that's that's not a good way to 0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.760 gonna make ice. I'm gonna make a line. What we 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:11.479 should just draw it up someone could draw it up 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:13.960 if you ice fish in that state and then you 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:16.040 draw a line at the bottom of the state and 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.600 it'll zigzag and then you'll know the south from the north. 0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.800 So we'll work on that. Put it on a T shirt. 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:26.879 I'm looking at a picture here that shows the Mason 0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:31.280 Dixon Line being south of the Illinois border, because you 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.560 can ice fish in Illinois. But it's funny because that's 0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:41.119 how it's funny, because it includes Missouri, which the line 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:44.720 shoots up. Oh, you're a half the distance of you 0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.919 probably think you probably think of Missouri compromise as a bullet, 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:52.919 but the Missouri Compromise was actually about that very issue. 0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:58.960 I would love love nothing more than to go into 0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:05.119 a barbershop some and see the Missouri compromise as like 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:13.560 you point to the picture, Oh you want Ah, here's 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:15.720 the big news I've been following. And that was actually, 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.159 you know, I actually wanted to do. I wanted to do, 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.160 like do the public comment thing, but it was really 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:21.639 hard to do the public comment thing. That it was 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:24.760 time to do it, like in person public comment is 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:28.119 they've opened up spear fishing for a number of game 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:32.560 fish in Lake Michigan and Lake Huron, which is great 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:35.000 for me in Michigan. But they've drawn it in like 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:39.840 a weird way. Um, the areas they've opened up, it's 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:43.960 almost like they thought to themselves, what would be the 0:28:44.120 --> 0:28:46.960 area that someone would be would be least likely to 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:53.120 enjoy success, and that will be the Walleye Northern Pike 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:58.080 spear fishing area, meaning what it's like south of the 0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.880 Southern Pier in Grand Haven for Lake Michigan and Lake 0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:05.080 here you're talking about like the distribution of the species 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.880 does They didn't open up any inland, see like everything 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:10.720 in the Great Lakes are inland, but like a term 0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.480 would be sort of like inland being not the great 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:17.120 They didn't open up any non Great lake waters Great 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:21.840 Lakes proper, right, And then they drew a line where 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:25.080 like they opened up Lake Michigan and Michigan water south 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:28.720 of the Southern Pier where the Grand River flows into 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.360 Lake Michigan. If someone said like, hey, you can now 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:38.040 spearfish for Northern and Walleye in Michigan, that would be 0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.960 the last place I would that would ding in my 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.600 head is where I'm headed to. Is that something to 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.080 do with the muskie populations? No, I don't think so. 0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:48.680 I think it just has to do with the people. 0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:51.880 People the Roding Real crowd of which I'm a member. 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:55.880 Most of them are real fired up about this. They're like, oh, 0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:57.480 they're gonna kill them all. So I know they're gonna 0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:02.000 kill like five of them. But um uh tribes didn't 0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:07.920 want it. Uh. A lot of the rod and Real 0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.400 crowd didn't want it. Spear fishermen have been put in 0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:14.120 so they did like this experimental spear fishing season in 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:18.880 places that seemed not great. Now hopefully there's some guy 0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:20.720 in Michigan thinking like, no, you got it all wrong, 0:30:20.720 --> 0:30:22.600 and he'll right in and tell me how I'm all wrong. 0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:24.160 But then we'll go check it out and bite you 0:30:24.200 --> 0:30:25.960 to come out there. And there's one guy who's been 0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.080 sending me emails about this, and he's been following it 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:31.000 and he did testify on it, and he's still views 0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:33.760 it as a win. Oh you also you gotta like 0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:35.800 fill out like a report about what you did and 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.560 didn't do. He used it as a win because it's 0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:43.840 it's expanding areas for spear fishing. It's because the first time, 0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:46.120 it's the first time in michiganan spear what would be 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.920 called the game fish. So they've and what what my 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.560 guess is, what will happen if if the good if 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:58.160 the goodwill on the part of the fisheries managers extends 0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:01.920 like well, let's see. My feeling is that the way 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:04.200 they've done it, they are not going to find that 0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:07.120 all of a sudden there's an overwhelming harvest by spear fishing. 0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.240 If you were if your goal was to kill a 0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:14.280 shipload of walleye, like, to get a shipload of walleye 0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:19.720 spear fishing is probably not no you know, or lake 0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.720 trout for that matter. I'll tell you to change the 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:27.480 physique of a lot of walleye. Fishermen need a heavy dive. 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:32.800 Lead prices are gonna go way up trying to sink 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:37.360 all that. But it is weird because because you know, 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:42.640 in salt water you can spear all kinds of game fish. Yeah, freshwater, 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:45.160 it's just never been a thing. Freshwater spear fishing, I 0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:47.600 think is the new frontier man and it's like good. 0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.240 But I just feel like it's great that they did it. 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:57.280 Um being from there, I was excited and then I 0:31:57.320 --> 0:32:00.240 saw what they're opening and I was like, I was 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.520 ready to make a special trip right then I saw 0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:04.320 what their opening. I mean I might go there to 0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:06.720 see my mom anyways, and that this border is very 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:11.040 near my mom hour drive my mom's place. Um, but 0:32:11.840 --> 0:32:15.000 when I saw what they opened, I was like, oh wait, 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:17.800 I don't know. So maybe someone will right in and 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:19.440 they'll be like, no, you got it all wrong, dude. 0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:23.640 But you think it's more of a like is there purse, 0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:26.240 it's just a poor spot for the fish to be 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:31.200 or it was there like a water clarity issue, uh, 0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:34.320 seasonal clarity issue. But in the spring you have good 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.479 In the spring you have great clarity. It's just a 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:41.360 matter of like where they're gonna be concentrated and when 0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.360 they're gonna be there, and that you're it's just like 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.959 a basin, you know. I mean it's like an open 0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:52.760 sandy basin. And a lot of those big bays did 0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:56.520 have more sort of identifiable structure in places you'd go 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:57.920 like be like this would be a great place to 0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:00.440 look for walleye. A lot of that stuff lies north there. 0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:02.560 There might be stuffing I'm not thinking of is it 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.520 deep south there? You know what's funny is it's it's 0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:09.440 like it's super predictively deep, like if you go six 0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:12.560 miles out, it's two deep, you know. I mean, it's 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:15.280 just like it's so gradual the way it was carved out. 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:20.360 It might be yeah, shallow again, I don't, I don't 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:24.640 know what, but it greatly behooves you to stack the 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.320 deck in your favor as much as pop. So if 0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:29.160 you're going to a spot where, yeah, there's a few 0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:32.880 fish around, um, that's gonna be a tough day of 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:37.640 spear fishing. The upside is, at least this year, when 0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.840 you show up down on the bottom, the last thing 0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:47.920 on his mind is gonna be that you're gonna shoot him, 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.720 you know what I mean. There's no marine mammals. It's 0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:57.080 just like a big wally, just nothing ever happens to him. 0:33:57.200 --> 0:34:00.480 There's no reason to run from anything. Yeah, and then 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:05.720 all of a sudden, there's no catching release with spear fishing, 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:10.960 and I mean, my goodness, like the rotten real angler. 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:15.000 You gotta accept the fact that once you let that 0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:17.640 fish go, there's a lot happening below the surface that 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.920 you just have no idea about. Whereas it somebody with 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.560 a spear, you kind of live it personally. You're very 0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:29.640 familiar with the fate of that fish man. I don't 0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:31.160 even know this. I wanted to talk about this one. 0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:35.800 Don't even know. It's like I can't tell. Do you 0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:38.480 wanna talk about the organ thing? It's sad or I'll 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.200 get out. It's like I don't even know if it's 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:44.320 like if it's if it fits. So a guy in Oregon, 0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:50.600 are you deadline? Oregon man accidentally shoots brother while fending 0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:56.399 off bear, then kills himself. So fending fending being as 0:34:56.400 --> 0:35:02.439 a verb, right, um no, yeah, is it a bird? 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:05.560 I know, but when it's got an I m g 0:35:05.719 --> 0:35:08.239 is a still over? Yeah, of course it is. So 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:12.400 it seems like I don't really know. But looking at 0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:14.239 it seems more like they saw a bear out in 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:19.040 the yard on their property. One of them runs and 0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:23.920 gets the gun, and then in the loading manages to 0:35:23.960 --> 0:35:28.440 kill his brother. So I don't know, like how whether 0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.759 they're fending off a bear or just fix them to 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:34.880 go get a bear, or just getting excited with a 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:38.480 gun because there's a bear out in the yard. The 0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:41.200 tragic thing is then the guy was so distraught shot 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:47.920 himself moving on any more to stay there. One of 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:53.799 those will never really know. Yeah, oh oh no, Cal 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:56.680 would love to know if if O d F G 0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:59.920 Oregon Department of Fishing game has been called previously regard 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:04.080 your property destroying or threatening bear question like was it 0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:06.080 a black was it like a black bear threat? Just 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.680 a weird story. I'm sure more details like were they 0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:12.000 super on edge because it's like, oh, the crazy marauding 0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:15.800 bear is coming back? Or you know, it's just there's 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:20.879 some context there that would make this um a little 0:36:20.960 --> 0:36:23.760 more relatable. I guess. I mean, it's just just sad. 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:28.520 But I got to uh removing into tax during me. Now, John, 0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:33.640 were you getting bored? I want to talk about our calendar, 0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:36.000 and you know, I want to ask your peinbot a counter, 0:36:36.040 --> 0:36:38.240 but first I want to heat with a listener question. Okay, 0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:44.200 A listener wrote in with a pressing question, what do 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:47.279 you me eater folks expect from their mounts when they 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:53.120 die or pass them on? My grandfather had over one 0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:59.560 hundred and fifty mounts in his basement. I was wish 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:04.600 I could do that small museum. It's been a nightmare 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:06.760 for our family. He goes on to say his basement, 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:09.400 all of his stories made up or not. We're the 0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:12.560 highlights of holidays and the grandchildren's dreams. Now that he 0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.960 has passed, it seems to be a nightmare to be 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:19.480 rid of them. In context, before he passed, he told 0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.840 me personally, I really enjoy looking at all these animals 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:25.200 I've collected in my basement. But when I die, good luck, 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:29.319 it's not my problem anymore. Does he want to see 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.200 what the problem is? Holy cow, he's got a lot 0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:35.520 of crazy stuff. Yeah, well, the problem is that they 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:38.600 gotta get rid of this stuff because I imagine, you know, 0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:40.799 they want to sell the house or Yeah, but how's 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:43.759 that a nightmare? It's a gold mine? But is it? Though? 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:48.399 That's the question? Not not necessarily? Yeah, see what they have? 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.160 What are they sitting on here? There's a nice walleme 0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:54.960 out there. You can send that to me. John is 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:56.960 gonna give you a very accurate estimate of its value 0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:00.520 right now. I mean, it's stuff does and look all 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:03.080 rot and falling apart? Is that a great horned owl? 0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:07.760 And that picture? Yeah, I might be part of the 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:13.640 explain that part of the problem, you know, Uh, get 0:38:13.680 --> 0:38:16.319 go get closer your mic there. The biggest thing I 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.440 see when I look at these pictures like this, um 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:24.919 a lot of personal trophies, but for highly resellable. You're 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.520 basically looking at something that has Boot and Crockett value. 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:35.040 If if if granddadded shot you know five there, those 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:38.520 would be really easy to move. Uh. Just your average 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.399 little stuff that just meant something to him, it's very 0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.920 difficult to move. And then as they get older. Yeah, 0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.600 a lot of I get this. A lot people call 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:48.920 me constantly asking Hey, how can I get rid of 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.520 this stuff? Where do I sell this stuff? At? Certain 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.440 things require permitting that the permits don't exist. You have 0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:56.880 to go back through and refile for stuff. You know, 0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:00.400 it can be a nightmare. I would imagine, Um, did 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:04.360 you notice the bobcat lounging on the TV in the 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.160 lower left hand corner. No, I just got all messed 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:11.280 up and I lost my place on things like moved 0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:16.959 or I don't know. I didn't do it. I didn't 0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:20.520 do anything. I mean it looks to me like, you know, 0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:24.080 you could just send this picture around to like every 0:39:26.800 --> 0:39:35.480 controls get magically over here. Any kitchen, you know, restaurant, bar, 0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.080 you know whatever, that's always an easy place to try 0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:41.960 to unload a lot of that stuff. He's got a 0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:44.759 beaver now and on a stick. I want to see 0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.640 I want to see a bigger version of the axis 0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:49.759 dear where it's got? Why can I get a big 0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.560 rest of the hide over the top? Is the like 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.080 that thing belongs in some crappy bar in a SKII 0:39:56.160 --> 0:40:01.200 in front of the fireplace. It looks like that access 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:05.840 to here says to me expensive cocktails could find better elsewhere. 0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:10.840 And as the looks changed so much that you know, 0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.359 I mean like stuff I did when I was in 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.520 high school compared to now, I mean, I couldn't give 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:20.080 that ship away. Do you know he has an airplane 0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:23.320 hanging from the ceiling to airplane that really throws the 0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:25.120 whole thing off. Unless he was a bush pilot. He's 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:29.360 got a couple of them. Yeah, so he does have 0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:32.880 the family does have a problem. They'll have to definitely 0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:35.640 search around and try to find places to just give 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.520 a lot of that away. Really. Yeah, we got a 0:40:38.560 --> 0:40:41.000 letter from a guy one time that took his grandpa's 0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:45.040 stuff and made a pire p y a E and 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.960 torched it all because he's like, it just seemed like 0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:51.800 I didn't we didn't know what to do with it. 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:54.520 It just seemed like a way to just send it along, 0:40:54.719 --> 0:40:57.319 Send it along. Man, do people come to you to 0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:03.240 try and offload. Yeah, and usually unless I'm buying antlers 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:05.600 off something I don't, or like a sheep if it's 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:07.920 pinned and I know it's legal, something like that. I 0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:11.560 think the big question here is not what happens to 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:15.000 the taxidermy items, but what happens to the taxidermist when 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:18.160 somebody likes this, Like this dies, that's a cash cow, 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:23.759 all right, Yeah, like his business is drying up. Yeah, 0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:28.279 that's not my client. But about the rogue taxidermist who 0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.520 will come in and put one head on another thing 0:41:30.600 --> 0:41:34.400 and attach something. We're gonna next Harry Potter type, Harry 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:39.680 Potter type tax Yes, she was explaining that, making like 0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:44.000 Harry Potter animals. That's it's quite She's like, she's she 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:47.879 doesn't know it. She's tiptoeing in that direction. Hey, well, 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.719 it seems like John's gotta little vein of that in 0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:53.919 him too. You need to pay this guy a visit. Crane, 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:57.200 you'd have endless opportunity. You can make a beaver fish. 0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:00.560 Get your hands on is it an our wall that 0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:04.600 has the horns? And oh yeah, Crean, you could go. 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:07.319 You could go ape ship with all this stuff. You 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.680 make a lion with like steel head for legs. I 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:16.160 don't know. Uh, that's too bad. I want to see. 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.520 I thought all that stuff was valuable, And in fact, 0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:22.040 I'm faced with a similar situation my father had. My 0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:27.120 father had the first uh fawn, first year he ever got, 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:28.960 which was a white tail fawn that looks like it 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:34.840 was mounted seven years ago. Um uh, he's got another 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:37.160 white tail buck. He's got like a shoulder amount of 0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:41.560 a black bear, right, And I'm like trying to figure 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:44.399 out what I'm gonna do with it. Like when I 0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.840 wanted my grandfather's white tail, his best white tail. Um, 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:50.680 I just took the antlers off and redid it. The cape, 0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:54.120 new cape, new form, new style, you know. So just 0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:56.920 keep it in the family. You know, the grandkids all 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.560 know the story from their parents and the uncles that 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:02.360 were there stuff. So just refurbish it, you know, take it, 0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:04.600 take it back down, and put a brand new look 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:08.400 back on it. That is the thing that's hard to 0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:11.000 get across on tax dury. Have you know, known a 0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:16.239 lot of old Cogers over the years, and they can 0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:19.080 look at them out and know the entire story and 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:22.399 recount the whole like, oh yeah, this is this time 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:25.120 of day, we were right here. Yeah, even if they're 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:30.520 pretty fuzzy on just about everything. All right, So let's 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:34.520 let's do one last for instance, Uh, is that a sailfish? 0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:37.160 What is that thing? Yeah, some sort of a Yeah, 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:43.080 that billfish. That's a sailfish. Guy walks into your studio. No, 0:43:43.200 --> 0:43:46.120 that's a bad example. Well no, let's do this one. 0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.280 Let's check out his black bear. They're the one standing 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.880 up black bear, standing up, beautiful white throat patch, gorgeous 0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.960 black beard. Guy walks into Hayes tax during studio on 0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:04.480 Libby Montana says, hey, uh, what's your best offer? You 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:09.600 would literally say zero dollar. It's not my work, most importantly, 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:14.840 and I don't sell anybody's work but my own, especially 0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:17.640 like the bears. I've been working a long time. We 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:20.520 kind of have our own look good, bad or otherwise. 0:44:20.560 --> 0:44:25.359 It's becoming more recognizable to my studio. And I just 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:27.880 don't don't have anything to do with other people's stuff 0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:30.839 because your bears look like a live bears. We're trying 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:35.719 to get what we could have. We could open up, 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:40.040 we can open ourselves up to some taxidermy donations, and 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:43.640 then we can put those in the Menater House of Oddities. Well, 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.280 that's something I was going to say. Next is especially 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.480 if it's fucked up old Taxidermy, because then we could 0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:53.120 have like a companion calendar that Seth curates the photos 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:57.759 for with an actual live in the fake flesh version 0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:02.440 of the I'm going to say, find out where uh, 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:05.360 let's find out where he is, because maybe we just 0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.120 have to send someone there over there and fly over there, 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.280 get a rental U haul and bring it all back, 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:14.160 or if they really want to get rid of it, 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:16.520 package it up. But I don't want crane root around 0:45:16.520 --> 0:45:22.160 in there cutting stuff of blue and all that ship 0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:27.879 back together. Yeah, we should get it. Maybe. I'm telling 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:30.920 you guys, I got a spot in Idaho that we're 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.480 gonna drive down too, because everybody needs to see the 0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:37.879 whole company. We'll get all of our messed up old 0:45:37.880 --> 0:45:41.800 taxider any photos that we need, and everybody will be 0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:44.600 done with it in absolute awe of everything else in 0:45:44.600 --> 0:45:47.520 this spot from one location. Is it a bar? It's unreal, 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.080 It is unreal. We're doing last year we did a 0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.719 calendar I guess it was last year. We did a 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:57.680 calendar for this year called fund Up Old Deer stands. Yes, 0:45:57.760 --> 0:46:04.960 I saw that. Great all sources from our community, our listeners. Um, 0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:09.560 that's been overwhelmed by the by next year's calendar submissions, 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:13.080 which is fucked up old taxidermy. How many have you 0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:20.600 got now? Seth oh look two thousand and nine. Its 0:46:20.600 --> 0:46:23.800 slowed down because we haven't talked about it lately. Yeah. 0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:27.000 So now is this like novelty tax, durmy or tax 0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:31.560 or just poorly executed traditional tax? For me, I prefer 0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:35.719 it to be Yeah, no Harry Potter garbage at all, 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:40.080 though in Crin's honor on the last page of the calendar, 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:42.319 we might have a bunch of thumbnails, Like we might 0:46:42.360 --> 0:46:45.000 have a collection of Harry Potter stuff in the back, 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.600 but it's not gonna be tied. We won't be tied 0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:52.800 to a month. It's it's preferably it's just yeah, nothing 0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:56.400 like that. What is that? I don't know. It just 0:46:56.440 --> 0:47:01.600 says taxidermy from hell. Yeah, nothing like we're looking for 0:47:02.239 --> 0:47:06.759 Grandpa's the perfect piece of old fund up tax, then 0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:11.480 we would be that. Um, it's stuff from hunters, stuff 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:15.640 from trappers that just hasn't like aged well might have 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:18.520 not been done the best in the first place was 0:47:18.600 --> 0:47:24.040 once loved now it's neglected. Yeah, like with the newspaper 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:26.520 coming out of their eye and stuff like that. Like yeah, 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.960 just like great old bad text nrmon, great old bad 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:38.359 text Nrman, but not Harry Potter stuff. Sorry. I just 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:40.719 so John, if you're sumbing through that calendar next year 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:44.840 and you find your own stuff, now, you're gonna know 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:51.680 you're like, that's like, just silence the conversation. Pep, we'll 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:54.720 get a cease and desist. Wait, hold on, I really 0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:59.080 anyone who just really isn't a shitty mood right now, 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:02.279 or just isn't a great mood but like wants to laugh, 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:05.879 just google Old Bad Taxidermy and some real crazy ship 0:48:05.960 --> 0:48:07.960 will pop up and you will not be able to 0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:09.799 stop cracking up. No, I think it's gonna be good. 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:12.160 I think, well, we like really scour it. We're gonna 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:16.760 find some great months now. Funked up Old Taxidermy was seasonal, 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.200 so it feels wintertime. There's an old deer stay in 0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:21.680 during the wintertime. Fils spring, there was up old deer 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:23.759 staying in the spring. This is gonna not be a 0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:30.399 seasonal Maybe we can find a seasonal element. Nah, No, 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:35.319 probably not. We need a good representation of different species. Though, 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:46.839 why did you become a tax nerm me John tax 0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:50.600 der missed. My family always had tax drm me growing 0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:54.399 up and got it done, had it done. Um. And 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.640 then one day I finally was old enough to go 0:48:56.680 --> 0:48:58.239 pick up a deer head with my dad and I 0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:00.480 was about eight years old and I went over to 0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:02.399 one of the local shops my dad pick it up, 0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:04.680 and I was just blown away. It was just amazing 0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:07.200 that just was absolutely enamored by the whole thing. And 0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:10.520 just the smell, yeah, everything, you know, just like like 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:14.240 a little bit of rot, a little bit some bondo 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:18.200 fumes in there. Yeah. Walking out the door, I was like, 0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:20.200 I'm gonna be a tax numerus some My dad was like, 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:24.200 oh cool, you know whatever. So on and so forth 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:27.200 it went. And first job I got was a tax 0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:29.640 for me in the shop, and really yeah, as soon 0:49:29.640 --> 0:49:31.760 as I got a driver's license I was fifteen, I 0:49:31.800 --> 0:49:33.640 just kept pestering the guy until he finally gave me 0:49:33.640 --> 0:49:36.640 a job. What was the job he gave you, shot bitch, 0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:39.959 basically sweeping the floor, cleaning the blood up. And finally 0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:42.400 I worked up the skin and and prepping hides and 0:49:42.400 --> 0:49:46.719 prepping forms and stuff. What when you were skinning, you 0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:49.279 were just skinning like cape and deer. He started on 0:49:49.280 --> 0:49:51.800 the bad stuff. First. We did a lot of lions 0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:54.880 back then, like they were really avid lion hunting back 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:56.319 up in the b At that time. It wasn't a 0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:59.120 special drawing, so anybody that wanted to shoot one get 0:49:59.120 --> 0:50:02.040 attacked just over the counter. So it wasn't uncommon to 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:06.839 skin thirty forty mountain lions in season. Yeah, so lots 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:10.960 of lion skin in, um, lots of bears for springtime 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:14.160 up there, um, and then a lots of deer guys 0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:16.839 bringing the whole line. It's Yeah, most of the time 0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:18.120 when I get a line brought it in, it is 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:22.000 the whole line. Wow. I'm always just hoping that they 0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:23.759 didn't ride around with it on the dog box for 0:50:23.800 --> 0:50:25.640 two days to show everybody what it was, and then 0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.239 it shows up and it's bloated. How do you how 0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:32.319 do you skin a lot of road dirt? Right? How 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:34.359 do you skin a lion if you're if you're gonna 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:37.359 do a full body on it un down the back 0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:41.120 any so, yes, you can, depending on the pose you want, 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.719 but ultimately on a life size anything you're skinning patterns 0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:47.920 not as critical as say a rug, because you're just 0:50:47.920 --> 0:50:50.800 sowing the two pieces back together. So like that cemetery 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:52.400 you're looking for on a rug, where you want to 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:55.400 be your splits, your legs aren't wonky, and you have 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:59.080 equal amounts of belly on each side. Um that's critical 0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:03.560 for a rug size mounts. If if the artists prefers 0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:06.480 the dorsal cut, um, like if a cat was standing 0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:08.680 like that bear you know, or the show side is 0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:11.680 the belly. Um A dorsal cuts okay, um, But I 0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:15.960 don't really do dorsal cuts on anything anymore. You still 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.359 have to cut everybody. I think at some point thinks 0:51:18.400 --> 0:51:20.640 you just make an incision down the back and then 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:24.360 slatted on the form. But the form is completely rigid, 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:26.120 so if it's like this, you still have to cut 0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:28.319 every leg and cut completely down the back of it 0:51:28.400 --> 0:51:31.400 and sew it all up. So I just I just 0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:33.480 prefer a belly incision. And most of the time the 0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:39.239 pose isn't just the belly. Would you prefer like if 0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:42.520 you blue Sky World it, uh? Would you prefer people 0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:45.200 show up with whole animals? If we're doing a life 0:51:45.200 --> 0:51:47.120 size I don't charge any extra to skin it out 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:50.759 at the shop because it saves you a little. Uh 0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:52.919 when when me and Clay brought you my bear which 0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:55.880 turned out beautifully, were you happy or not happy with 0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:59.439 our skin and job? Oh? That was great, that was great. Yeah, 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:04.479 it was just so you had a guy you worked 0:52:04.480 --> 0:52:06.839 for it got in a little trouble. Yeah, the first 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.440 guy that I worked for. Did he get in like 0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:12.319 taxidermist type trouble, I know, but he had before he 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:15.200 got in taxidermist type trouble. He got into like selling 0:52:15.239 --> 0:52:17.760 fully automatic weapons to the A T, F and FBI 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:25.480 that he ended up had a client of his and 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:29.120 did a middleman make a couple of thousand bucks quick, 0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:33.680 and the agent showed up undercover and bottom. And then 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:37.520 when we were kids, it was a widely held belief 0:52:37.600 --> 0:52:43.480 that any semi automatic, including our Marlin semials and he 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:46.400 saw semi automatic, was a few file strokes away from 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:50.520 being full from being fully automatic. There was like some 0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:53.840 secret thing that if you just knew what needed to 0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:57.080 be filed, that was all that separated you from having 0:52:57.120 --> 0:53:03.600 a fully automatic two Marlin tube bad. Yeah, he filed 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:06.280 the pin on it and like, no, this is fully automatic. 0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:13.239 It's just like but just no one every would show 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:19.319 us what exactly one needed to file? Uh do you 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.520 agree that? I don't. You know, We're not gonna talk 0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:24.240 all too much on this, but like in your opinion, 0:53:24.560 --> 0:53:28.319 why do people have sort of oh tax nervous I 0:53:28.360 --> 0:53:33.080 mean I do, even having any involvement or affiliation with 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.360 other taxiderms, I'm really standoffish until I know him, because 0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:39.560 I'm just like a lot of a lot of people 0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:42.920 just do stupid shit. I mean, like them taking your 0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:45.680 money and not doing your work, or just slapping poor 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:48.000 workout or you know, I lost it, you know, I 0:53:48.000 --> 0:53:52.239 mean just I don't know how that many in our 0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:54.440 industry are like that. It's just mind boggling. I think 0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:56.279 it's it's got to be transition because I think at 0:53:56.280 --> 0:53:57.600 a time it was like so many people kind of 0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:00.600 working out of their basement stuff. Right now you sort 0:54:00.640 --> 0:54:03.440 of seems like I don't really know, but it seems 0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:07.399 now you have like big taxidermy studio, Like you guys 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:10.279 use like studio Like it's like a business when you go, 0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:12.279 you know what I mean, it's like a full on 0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:17.279 business with like paperwork and stuff. And I've heard you 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:19.960 used the word artist a few times too. At one 0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:23.840 point does a taxider must become an artist? Honestly, that 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:28.160 probably is individually based. I would say, Um, early on, 0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:31.560 I definitely wasn't an artist. I was just mechanically trying 0:54:31.560 --> 0:54:35.279 to put stuff together. Um. But like the more you learn, 0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:37.719 the more you learn, right, and it starts opening up 0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:40.239 like a little door or of creativity where you're like, oh, 0:54:40.280 --> 0:54:42.359 maybe I'll try that this time. And so I think 0:54:42.360 --> 0:54:44.319 it's a progression. At least it was a progression for me. 0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:45.880 I mean, I know a couple of guys are just 0:54:46.040 --> 0:54:50.320 like they were just natural. I was not you. Weren't 0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:54.920 you here to work for it? Ground still grinding. Yeah, 0:54:54.960 --> 0:54:59.560 I started to really appreciate John when we're talking. I 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:02.799 can't ember how it came up. Oh Yanni. Yeah, He's like, man, 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:04.560 if I ever get a bear mounted, I'm gonna get 0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:07.759 it mounted where it's not growling, because he's like every 0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:10.000 bear I look at, he's never growling, right, But then 0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:12.200 every bear amount they're growling, and so were I was 0:55:12.239 --> 0:55:14.160 pointing out John, like why are they always growling? And 0:55:14.200 --> 0:55:17.080 it's just easier to make them growling. It is there's 0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.520 a lot more product materials available to make that look 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:23.160 and I said, can we do one where he just 0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:26.120 looks like a normal bear walking through the woods, which 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:31.120 is his mouth is closed. Yes, And you're saying when 0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:33.719 you go into your supply catalog, that's not in there. 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:36.959 There's only just a handful of clothes mouth and there. 0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:39.839 I would never use one for any of my work. 0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:43.840 I know that. So we just make our own look amazing. 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:45.799 And that's how we like when you were saying about 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:48.400 the guy walking with the bear, That's why I wouldn't 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:51.839 take his bear, because I'm really particular in what I'm 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:54.360 using to get that look, trying to try to be repeatable, 0:55:54.360 --> 0:55:56.120 so it's not like a snowflake like, oh my bear 0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:58.799 look great, and you're like, how my bear sucked. Trying 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:02.920 to keep that repeatable performance out there. Uh, you know 0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:05.080 they want to ask you. You got into helicopter logging 0:56:05.080 --> 0:56:07.239 for a while. Yeah. That was kind of the path 0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:09.640 where the fork was like go to prison or go 0:56:09.760 --> 0:56:12.560 somewhere else. So I went helicopter logging when he left 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:16.359 make our fortune and that was up. That was that 0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:18.960 was up when that was still some some timber business 0:56:19.040 --> 0:56:22.239 happening up. Could yeah you're on a Libby Montana, Yeah, yeah, 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:27.520 that's that's dried up right. Oh yeah, completely, it is 0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:33.200 the loggers. You're in like a former logging community. Yeah, yep, 0:56:33.800 --> 0:56:36.520 very well. That was the whole basis of the community. 0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.000 Originally was basically logging and then a little bit of mining, 0:56:39.080 --> 0:56:41.480 but logging was the staple. And you guys are doing 0:56:41.520 --> 0:56:45.640 like you're doing, like select cut helicopter stuff. And for 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:51.280 the helicopter mostly we traveled, so we'd log in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, California, Montana, 0:56:51.480 --> 0:56:55.920 anywhere where the train warranted using an aircraft. What was 0:56:55.960 --> 0:56:59.040 your role in that? That was a hooker, so a choker, 0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:03.719 ceter hooker. I was like John didn't make much money. 0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:07.600 That's why to get back into taxi here. I knew 0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:12.160 those logs and towns were off. So what's the hooker do. 0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:16.080 You're the external load person, So when the helicopter fly over, 0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:18.000 they lower a lion down to you and you would 0:57:18.200 --> 0:57:22.000 select a weight of logs, so you'd look at him 0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:24.640 and guess about how much that would weigh, and then 0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:26.640 put those together on chokers and attach it to the 0:57:26.840 --> 0:57:29.240 load beam on the hook and then the helicopter flat off. 0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:32.680 That was near our fish shack. They were doing a 0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:35.400 helicopter logging for a couple of summers, and I pictured 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:38.400 it being that. I mean these are this is like 0:57:38.480 --> 0:57:43.320 old growth cedar, western red cedar, hemlock. I mean, these 0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:45.880 trees are no joke. They were probably running big aircraft 0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:50.320 up there, weren't they twin like big twin. But I 0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:53.560 thought they'd like lift the tree out right. I couldn't 0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:55.200 believe in it'd come up out of those trees with 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.840 a bundle. Yeah, of trees you can't put your arm 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:04.360 brown right, and then lay them onto a barge when 0:58:04.360 --> 0:58:06.240 they when they picked them up, those things never touched 0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:10.000 land again. Man, it was amazing lay them on a barge. 0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:14.200 The infrastructure they would build for logging, like one area 0:58:14.720 --> 0:58:18.680 around your shack roads and like not a town, but 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:21.120 like a big gass camp for all the people to 0:58:21.200 --> 0:58:23.440 stay at. That's when they're that's when they're doing like 0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.480 the logging, like where they actually do a beach landing. 0:58:27.160 --> 0:58:32.640 But the helicopter stuff is very like discreet relatively. But 0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:34.440 I tell you what, man, it's hard to go through 0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:39.480 the woods. When they get done. Yes, yeah, it looks like, 0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:42.600 oh I just greased through there real quick. All the 0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:45.480 tops and slash are all just piled everywhere. Oh god 0:58:45.600 --> 0:58:53.440 man there, Oh my goodness. Yeah, I mean it is. 0:58:55.320 --> 0:58:58.320 I think it's it's twice as hard because your mental 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:02.520 picture of like helicopter log game is they just plucked 0:59:02.520 --> 0:59:05.280 a few trees out of the ground and it should 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:13.280 be easier because yeah, yeah, uh, while you're doing that, 0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:16.800 you always want to get back into Yeah. I would 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:18.640 still you know, fart around a little bit on my own, 0:59:18.960 --> 0:59:23.200 um remedial tanning projects. And what's that mean, just like 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:26.680 trying to do hometans like tan muskrat or something beaver 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:30.320 hide or coyote hide or something like that. But that's 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:32.800 not even part of text room anymore, right, Like you 0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:34.960 don't do any tanning. I don't do any tanning in 0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:37.400 the house unless it's like emergent and we have to 0:59:37.400 --> 0:59:39.480 get something small tan like a deer cape or something. 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:41.400 Oh so you can do it, We can do it, yeah, 0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:45.000 I just we just don't have time anymore. I didn't 0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:47.560 realize you could. So there's no like as if you 0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:49.880 have a taxidermy studio that's doing like a ton of business. 0:59:51.200 --> 0:59:52.320 Is there a weight Like I don't want to like 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:53.920 dig too deep. I don't want to ask you like 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:55.440 a question like how much land you have and how 0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:59.479 many cattle run on it? But how many thinks like 0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:02.080 like just give sort of like a ballpark of how 1:00:02.080 --> 1:00:06.960 many pieces flow through your hands annually. Well, we just 1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:10.360 got a confirmation yesterday that our hundred ninth black barrel 1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:13.919 becoming in since April of last year. Just coming back 1:00:13.960 --> 1:00:16.360 to you, just getting brought through the studio. So yeah, 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:18.920 we'll have a hundred nine under a year's time. Just 1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:21.600 your studio will do a hundred nine black bears. And 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:24.360 that's just one species. Yep, that's just bears. Percent get 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:29.720 lost or sold for profit. Yeah, that's what you're not 1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:32.800 selling our stuff, right, I'm like, I didn't know. Did 1:00:32.800 --> 1:00:35.840 you see there's no money in that? You know how 1:00:35.880 --> 1:00:39.160 there was like way more hunting and fishing activity due 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:42.560 to COVID. Did you get a lot more? Did your 1:00:42.840 --> 1:00:45.640 just see like an uptick in business requests or anything? 1:00:45.680 --> 1:00:49.560 Are you just like for uh, one of the big 1:00:49.960 --> 1:00:51.720 things that COVID killed for us was as they shut 1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:54.720 down Spring Bear for non residence. And we have tons 1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:57.520 of non residents that come up there up in your area. 1:00:57.640 --> 1:00:59.320 We have tons. I mean, we've got guys that have 1:00:59.360 --> 1:01:02.360 been coming up from Utah's we got we got a 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:04.840 large following in Utah that come up to Libby and 1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:10.520 bears Heart special drawing versus over the counter. And uh 1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:13.720 so one guy they've been coming up. They missed one 1:01:13.800 --> 1:01:17.440 year since Mountain Saint Helen's erupted. They were there. Yeah, 1:01:17.560 --> 1:01:19.680 that's the only year they had missed since the year 1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:24.840 before erupted to that and or twenty and so that 1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:27.920 was there. That was a huge dip for US. Canada 1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:31.600 was closed down, so all the outfit, well, like you 1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:34.520 weren't getting local guys for you bringing bears. They killed 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:37.680 in Canada. We've we've saturated the bear rug market for 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:39.640 the local guys. You know, they only want so many 1:01:39.680 --> 1:01:42.000 of them, you know, so a lot of times most 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:44.360 of the works from out of town. So do you 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:46.680 are you? Do you imagine yourself now? Is like a 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:50.680 bear specialist? Like, what's your specialty? I know your bears 1:01:50.680 --> 1:01:53.760 are called. I really like doing bears. Um that has 1:01:53.800 --> 1:01:55.520 always been whether it was a rugg or a life 1:01:55.520 --> 1:01:57.840 size or anything in between. I always really enjoyed working 1:01:57.840 --> 1:02:01.280 on bears, but I enjoyed doing every thing squashy pillows 1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:09.880 you do pillows? Oh that rug. Yeah, that's what Yanni's 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:15.880 bringing a big bobcat. Explain that, explain that piece the pillow. Yeah, 1:02:16.000 --> 1:02:19.520 so that's not the right word for it though, Yeah, right, 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:21.960 there's gotta be a better term for it. We Uh 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:24.280 we had a guy come in and talk Dennis and 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:28.040 I into doing a soft mounted coyote and we were like, 1:02:28.160 --> 1:02:31.640 no way. Anatomically, you just don't have the form. You 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:36.240 can't make everything exact. So he finally wanted into a 1:02:36.240 --> 1:02:40.480 Teddy Bear like, just so it's pliable, soft head, like 1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:46.680 a full body mount, but soft. Yeah, so so I'll 1:02:46.720 --> 1:02:50.120 be like a Teddy Bear kind of kind of Okay, 1:02:50.360 --> 1:02:52.840 So we ended up doing it for this guy and 1:02:52.880 --> 1:02:55.439 then he never showed up and we were like, oh man, 1:02:55.680 --> 1:02:57.320 well he never came back to it, never came back 1:02:57.360 --> 1:02:59.320 to get us. Now he got how much? How much 1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:02.520 you charge him? Honestly, I don't even know. Back then 1:03:02.720 --> 1:03:04.920 Dennis would have been in charge of what's industry standard 1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:10.880 for deposit Uh, well, it depends this case to case sometimes, 1:03:10.920 --> 1:03:12.800 just like for us right now, we're usually do a third. 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:18.520 That's because vanish on you, though not so much anymore. 1:03:19.080 --> 1:03:22.040 Back in the day, we had more people like Americans 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:25.800 are getting better. More people are committed to getting it, 1:03:25.880 --> 1:03:28.480 especially if they do put a deposit on it. That helped, 1:03:29.480 --> 1:03:32.400 so a third. I want to get back to this 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:34.720 teddy bear thing about it, but like, but the deposit thing. 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:36.600 Now that I know that it's such a thing that 1:03:36.640 --> 1:03:40.360 people will abandon you, um, I guess if you said 1:03:40.360 --> 1:03:42.920 it's full price, then you might send business to competitors. 1:03:44.440 --> 1:03:50.040 A third will get them common back maybe and then usually, uh, 1:03:50.120 --> 1:03:53.120 what we started implementing is you put a third down. 1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:55.440 Once we receive your high back from the tannery, and 1:03:55.440 --> 1:03:58.640 we're getting ready to start your your product, than you 1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:01.160 time to either paying full or put at least another 1:04:01.160 --> 1:04:05.360 third down. Now you're gonna start putting manual time into it. Yeah, 1:04:05.440 --> 1:04:08.560 that's a good system. It helps. And then at least 1:04:08.600 --> 1:04:10.320 the guy that calls you up and he's like, hey, 1:04:10.360 --> 1:04:11.520 I really want to get that done. I want to 1:04:11.520 --> 1:04:13.240 get that done, and how fast can you do it? 1:04:13.240 --> 1:04:15.120 And you're like, okay, I'll do it right away, and 1:04:15.200 --> 1:04:19.400 he's like, you know it's Christmas time, man. Yeah, oh yeah, 1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:21.760 that's not like okay, so now we have to make 1:04:21.800 --> 1:04:24.680 sure they're paying along in the way with you. Okay, 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:27.040 So back to the coyote teddy bear. I imagine it's 1:04:27.040 --> 1:04:30.880 a soft tan and then you stitch it up like 1:04:30.920 --> 1:04:35.000 a balloon and then uh, you pick an orifice and 1:04:35.640 --> 1:04:39.160 shooting doctor get one of those things that blows in insulations. 1:04:39.800 --> 1:04:47.160 Exactly what I'm thinking. We never thought of that one 1:04:47.160 --> 1:04:52.520 that like to out the door. So we ended up 1:04:52.520 --> 1:04:54.280 with this, and I mean it could end up in 1:04:54.320 --> 1:04:56.560 the fun up old taxi to me calendar. I'm sure 1:04:57.360 --> 1:04:58.920 I don't have any pictures of it. I don't keep 1:04:58.920 --> 1:05:04.720 that sht try to he's trying to stay out of 1:05:04.760 --> 1:05:08.680 the town. There. We had a car show coming to Libby. 1:05:08.960 --> 1:05:10.920 It was a hot August nice is what it was called, 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:14.600 and so there were some people coming through town. I'm 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:17.040 very interested, but I'm trying to understand how did you 1:05:17.040 --> 1:05:19.640 get from the So this is how the pillow. Oh, 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:22.240 the guy vanished. The guy vanished, But then you have 1:05:22.320 --> 1:05:24.040 the things sitting there. So we got sitting in the 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:26.280 shop and now now I'm not into the car show. 1:05:26.360 --> 1:05:28.880 The car show people stopped by and this guy is like, wow, 1:05:29.240 --> 1:05:32.240 I love that thing, and we're like really, He's like, 1:05:32.360 --> 1:05:34.160 can I borrow it and take it down to the 1:05:34.200 --> 1:05:35.640 car shows. I don't want to put it in my car. 1:05:36.960 --> 1:05:40.160 We're like, yeah, go ahead, you know whatever. So he 1:05:40.200 --> 1:05:42.240 took it down there and then we had about a 1:05:42.280 --> 1:05:44.120 half a dozen people come back from the car show 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:45.920 and they're like, we want once for our hot I 1:05:45.920 --> 1:05:48.960 saw the most amazing kind and it was sleeping on 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:51.880 the front seat of a Chevy, you know, in a 1:05:51.920 --> 1:05:54.960 way that was kind of laying down, curled up like 1:05:55.000 --> 1:05:57.200 a dog would be on a dog bed. Yep, I 1:05:57.240 --> 1:05:59.760 found any pictures of this. I found the video that 1:06:00.000 --> 1:06:05.240 A knew posting about it. But this, this was kayo one. 1:06:05.480 --> 1:06:13.400 This is suddenly amazing. It's a big difference. Suddenly you 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:18.640 had a tax. This is unbelievable. This is not the one. 1:06:19.280 --> 1:06:22.360 No God, no, no, no, that's what that is amazing 1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:26.000 right now. But wait, let him hope. Those Ronella kids 1:06:26.000 --> 1:06:30.439 aren't listening. They're going to ruin their Christmas. That's unbelievable. 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:36.480 And he pioneered back so we and I know other 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:39.200 people do it now, um, but that was just something 1:06:39.240 --> 1:06:40.600 we came up at the time. There might have been 1:06:40.600 --> 1:06:42.680 other people doing the same thing somewhere else, but as 1:06:42.680 --> 1:06:46.120 far as we know, we just totally made that ship up. 1:06:46.640 --> 1:06:49.560 Go to at Steven Ronnella on Instagram and see what 1:06:49.600 --> 1:06:53.360 we're talking about. Okay, hot rods, hot rights. So we 1:06:53.440 --> 1:06:56.040 end up selling about a half a dozen more of 1:06:56.080 --> 1:06:59.000 us to hot riders, to hot rodders for car shows. Well, 1:06:59.000 --> 1:07:01.880 one of the one of the car show people owned 1:07:02.400 --> 1:07:06.160 storefront from the parody shops, and they owned storefront engine 1:07:06.200 --> 1:07:08.160 most of the major airports around the country. What does 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:09.960 that mean parody shops. It was just the name of 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:13.360 a business. You know, when you like their gift shops 1:07:13.400 --> 1:07:16.280 and the airport, you probably but the word is like parody, 1:07:16.360 --> 1:07:23.240 like like mocking parodies. And so they called up and 1:07:23.280 --> 1:07:25.600 asked we'd ship one to Spokane, but it didn't spoke 1:07:25.640 --> 1:07:29.240 Ane International, so I'm not sure someone there, and then 1:07:29.400 --> 1:07:31.600 that it was sold just like instantly. So they ended 1:07:31.680 --> 1:07:33.280 up ordering a few of them, and they sent me, 1:07:33.320 --> 1:07:35.160 sent them to Texas, and we sent them to New York, 1:07:35.200 --> 1:07:37.640 and we sent him to Arizona and for years and 1:07:37.720 --> 1:07:41.160 they went. They just went like crazy, and then started 1:07:41.200 --> 1:07:44.040 getting a little bit of a negative feedback, like I 1:07:44.080 --> 1:07:46.880 can't believe you guys have these animals on displaying the 1:07:46.920 --> 1:07:49.560 stores and stuff. So they finally just pulled back about 1:07:49.880 --> 1:07:51.520 about eight nine years ago. That's what I was going 1:07:51.600 --> 1:07:53.880 to guess. It'd be like that company that was making 1:07:53.920 --> 1:07:56.360 the park Is with the Coyote rofan, they never had 1:07:56.360 --> 1:07:59.920 a ship fit. Texas was the last holdout. They finally 1:08:00.000 --> 1:08:03.640 they finally were like, yeah, they're gonna make us. Corporate 1:08:03.640 --> 1:08:05.120 was like, no, you guys have to pull the pan. 1:08:05.280 --> 1:08:08.600 So but Texas loved him. I'm surprised you haven't picked up. 1:08:08.600 --> 1:08:12.080 Like I'm surprised someone hasn't assumed all that hasn't gotten 1:08:12.080 --> 1:08:17.640 back into it. Well after Clay posted that video that 1:08:17.720 --> 1:08:20.080 was I think we got two million views on that 1:08:20.120 --> 1:08:23.880 thing on TikTok in like a week. It was getting 1:08:23.880 --> 1:08:30.000 more requests. We had eight hundred emails. Yeah, yeah, it was. 1:08:30.040 --> 1:08:33.599 It was unbelievable. So actually, uh, I got a silver 1:08:33.680 --> 1:08:36.559 Fox shipped in this week. I got two great Fox 1:08:36.600 --> 1:08:40.080 that we'll be leaving Monday morning from California, and I 1:08:40.120 --> 1:08:43.599 got a Kyote coming in from I think it was Ohio. 1:08:44.479 --> 1:08:46.400 So what we're just in case you don't go, no, 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:50.080 just go look at the Instagram. But it's a I 1:08:50.080 --> 1:08:52.479 mean it looks like a damn Kyle landing there, curled 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:59.120 up sleeping. They did not look like it originally? Can 1:08:59.160 --> 1:09:02.120 you guys pass like that? I don't think so. I 1:09:02.160 --> 1:09:05.040 don't know how I would patent that. You probably could 1:09:05.120 --> 1:09:08.520 with like the materials that you use on the inside 1:09:08.560 --> 1:09:15.800 secret fill vacuum though the attachment. The heads have specific 1:09:15.840 --> 1:09:21.200 at that right, the heads for our pillows, whether we're 1:09:21.200 --> 1:09:23.000 doing the fox or the coyote of the wolf pillows 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:27.200 are my own sculptings. So doing that that nobody else 1:09:27.240 --> 1:09:30.280 has the same look on theirs got trade secrets, if 1:09:30.320 --> 1:09:34.640 not necessarily better looking than somebody else's, but our our 1:09:34.720 --> 1:09:36.960 our look. How are those things going to hold up 1:09:37.000 --> 1:09:39.280 when your seven year old kids starts carrying around like 1:09:40.520 --> 1:09:43.200 they're quite durable? Um, that's a we get a really 1:09:43.240 --> 1:09:44.840 good tan on. It's a garment tan. It's like a 1:09:44.880 --> 1:09:47.520 fur coat. You wouldn't want to get it wet. Um. 1:09:47.560 --> 1:09:50.320 You know, dog and shreds no matter of moments. So 1:09:50.360 --> 1:09:53.120 it's fairly fragile. But my dog will be scared of 1:09:53.120 --> 1:09:56.040 that for five years before she realized, she's like, you 1:09:56.040 --> 1:09:59.720 know what, that thing never does ship ever? I have 1:10:00.560 --> 1:10:04.800 beaver would be cool? Have you done a soft little beaver? Well? There, 1:10:04.880 --> 1:10:07.240 we did a lot of different things. Now it's pretty 1:10:07.320 --> 1:10:10.400 much just canine family. It's hard to do other stuff, 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:13.920 you know, the like a beaver curled up. Yeah, I 1:10:13.920 --> 1:10:15.960 don't picture of curling up like that with a big 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:17.800 fuzzy table over their nose. Yeah. And I did a 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:22.320 badger and it looked you know Canada. I'm like, I 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:25.120 did a John just for your listeners at home. John 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:32.320 just made uncomfortable stance. He looks uncomfortable. I pictured like 1:10:32.360 --> 1:10:36.200 a badger. Uh in like August laying along the road. 1:10:36.400 --> 1:10:39.439 They got hit. It's like, but its eyes were all 1:10:39.479 --> 1:10:44.920 open and clean, but it looked a lot like that. Hey, 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:47.360 what do you mess her? All? Fish? I used to 1:10:47.360 --> 1:10:50.200 do fish? Now I I outsourced my fish to another 1:10:50.320 --> 1:10:54.040 tax fromers that I know. Um, I feel like it's 1:10:54.080 --> 1:10:57.160 like like fish tax to me, in my view, has 1:10:57.240 --> 1:11:00.439 ceased to be a thing. There's a lot of skin mounts. 1:11:00.760 --> 1:11:03.519 There's no part of the fish. If you like, I 1:11:03.520 --> 1:11:05.600 can still get a skin mountain down through my my 1:11:05.640 --> 1:11:08.200 friend Bill. Um, he stilled as skin mounts. You still 1:11:08.240 --> 1:11:09.720 can do it for real? Yep. Can I tell you 1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:12.960 funny story about a buddy mine buddy mind his tax dermis. 1:11:13.120 --> 1:11:15.479 He had a guy bring him. He's in he's over 1:11:15.520 --> 1:11:18.800 in Miles City. He's not in the business anymore, but 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:23.160 he was. Uh. He had a guy snaggle paddlefish out 1:11:23.200 --> 1:11:29.080 on the Yellowstone and wraps in a wet sleep bag okay, 1:11:30.200 --> 1:11:32.880 and brings it to him. He didn't want to lose 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:34.559 any weight, so it's wraps and a wet sleep bag, 1:11:35.240 --> 1:11:37.760 brings it to him, wanting to get it mounted. He 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:39.840 takes a bunch of pictures, a bunch of measurements, and 1:11:39.880 --> 1:11:41.519 takes it down and lets it go in the river. 1:11:42.960 --> 1:11:49.160 That paddlefish swam away. Honestly, on a fish like that, 1:11:49.200 --> 1:11:56.160 I would definitely do a reproduction to difficult work on 1:11:56.200 --> 1:11:59.120 something that size and keep it stable, and yeah, I 1:11:59.120 --> 1:12:00.720 know I would definitely. I feel like that's why I 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:02.400 say like it ceased to be a thing. Is I 1:12:02.400 --> 1:12:05.759 don't really get it. There's still you catch a bass. 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:09.160 I can see like you're commemorating it by getting a replica. 1:12:09.240 --> 1:12:11.240 But if a client called you, Let's say a client 1:12:11.280 --> 1:12:13.600 called you and said, hey, man, um, I want a 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:18.439 tampon large mouth mhmm, yeah, you'd just be like, okay, here, 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:22.160 We've done that a lot. So it's it's like there's 1:12:22.200 --> 1:12:27.280 no is there what is it is? It is basically 1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:30.240 a painting. Um. We did a seeing a guy for 1:12:30.520 --> 1:12:33.400 it was out of Hamilton's he wanted to have it 1:12:33.479 --> 1:12:38.439 was a brick trout, brown trout, rainbow cutthroat, and a 1:12:38.479 --> 1:12:41.680 bull trout. No mountain whitefish, no mountain whitefish that he 1:12:41.760 --> 1:12:44.920 wanted those trout all on artificial like a button the 1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:50.559 river bottom. Is there a reason like that's different? Well, 1:12:50.720 --> 1:12:53.360 is there like an actual reason where a skin mount 1:12:53.520 --> 1:12:57.080 would look better than one of those reproductions? No? No, no, 1:12:58.160 --> 1:13:01.280 they're the casting technology. The the injection molding for casting 1:13:01.320 --> 1:13:03.559 has come a long way, so the scale, detail and 1:13:03.560 --> 1:13:06.720 everything's just spot on. And when you're painting those things 1:13:06.760 --> 1:13:09.800 from a picture, you're like paying attention to little details 1:13:09.880 --> 1:13:13.160 and do you paint them? I used to paint fish. Yeah, 1:13:13.280 --> 1:13:16.559 who doesn't know one of my he's a colleague on Bill. 1:13:16.840 --> 1:13:18.800 He he was the guy that kind of pioneered the 1:13:18.840 --> 1:13:22.720 cast at head for fish. So like when you're when 1:13:22.760 --> 1:13:26.360 they're first phasing towards more of the reproduction, the head 1:13:26.360 --> 1:13:28.200 on a lot of fish taxs dur Me is like 1:13:28.240 --> 1:13:29.960 you look at old fish, it starts to get where 1:13:30.000 --> 1:13:31.599 the paint you see, like the bleed in the paint 1:13:31.600 --> 1:13:34.360 where the oils are popping the finishes coming off. You 1:13:34.360 --> 1:13:37.200 can't you can't really clean parts of the guilt plates 1:13:37.200 --> 1:13:40.519 out getting there. You just can't clean all the organic 1:13:40.560 --> 1:13:43.320 material out of the head. So over time those oils 1:13:43.320 --> 1:13:46.200 can leach back through and pop the paint off. Oh, 1:13:46.240 --> 1:13:48.280 when you say clean, you don't mean dust it off 1:13:48.800 --> 1:13:52.559 from the original to get it prepared like the actual tissue. 1:13:53.880 --> 1:13:56.920 And so he started doing he'd just take your fish 1:13:56.960 --> 1:13:59.880 and cast its own head. Well, he had done so 1:14:00.000 --> 1:14:02.040 many of them he started having tons of mold. So yeah, 1:14:02.040 --> 1:14:03.759 he was He was pretty much the guy that started 1:14:03.760 --> 1:14:07.120 the whole cast at head m and that that was 1:14:07.240 --> 1:14:11.040 that was a huge step in itself. Yeah, you know this, 1:14:11.120 --> 1:14:13.519 See this opens up weird, Like there's nothing I want 1:14:13.520 --> 1:14:15.000 to say. It's not like an ethical thing. It's just 1:14:15.040 --> 1:14:16.800 like a sort of like what is the thing and 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:22.680 what is not the thing? But talk about casting of 1:14:22.720 --> 1:14:27.240 horns and nailers. There's no way to prevent uh, just 1:14:27.360 --> 1:14:31.639 making up a fish. Whereas if you bring right, yes, 1:14:31.760 --> 1:14:38.000 not not a a mish, which would like that, but 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:43.080 that'd be a mouse. But right, it's like I'm just 1:14:43.120 --> 1:14:48.080 providing you with the species a picture and here are 1:14:48.120 --> 1:14:51.400 my measurements, right, or a lot of times so you 1:14:51.439 --> 1:14:53.519 get it. Like I think it was about like twelve 1:14:53.600 --> 1:14:59.880 to fifteen pounds. Okay. Has anyone come in and introduced 1:14:59.880 --> 1:15:04.559 the idea of there being a um, I don't know, 1:15:04.640 --> 1:15:08.200 man like a like a certification of some sort. Now 1:15:08.240 --> 1:15:10.880 that there's no part of a fish in a fish 1:15:11.040 --> 1:15:13.000 that there is like a yes, this fish was a 1:15:13.080 --> 1:15:17.960 thing like legitimizes fishing tails, right, so like fish tax 1:15:18.479 --> 1:15:20.760 I just now I look at it, like when I 1:15:20.760 --> 1:15:23.720 look at the stuffed white tail, right, first thing in 1:15:23.720 --> 1:15:28.000 my mind is I gotta know more, Like I don't know, right, 1:15:28.000 --> 1:15:30.120 So you just go by big dead white by big 1:15:30.120 --> 1:15:32.840 white tails and little pastures and shoot them. You know, 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:35.000 you see a big gass moves You're like, that's cool 1:15:35.240 --> 1:15:37.920 because only one place that which is out in the woods, 1:15:38.400 --> 1:15:40.160 you know. And when I see a fish, I'm like, 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:43.280 I have no idea, dude, Yeah there's And it's like 1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:47.920 I said, it totally legitimizes all fishing tails. Whatever you want. 1:15:48.479 --> 1:15:53.360 Is there a thing in taxidermy like making synthetic antlers? 1:15:53.400 --> 1:15:58.560 Like just um like maybe making a mold of and 1:15:58.600 --> 1:16:01.479 said a mule deer antlers. Yeah, make that's the one 1:16:01.520 --> 1:16:05.960 I want the same. Yeah. Um. Usually like it only 1:16:06.000 --> 1:16:09.400 happens on like that, right, like it's some state record 1:16:09.479 --> 1:16:11.800 or world record or just some repre deficit. And then 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:16.599 then there's well for the deer tour, we only use 1:16:16.760 --> 1:16:21.360 real deer, like that's they're all what the tour, the 1:16:21.479 --> 1:16:23.640 meal deer tour that travels aroun the country. Eastman's used 1:16:23.640 --> 1:16:25.960 to put it on a lot. That's all real dear. 1:16:26.040 --> 1:16:28.040 That is all real dear. And if they don't know 1:16:28.120 --> 1:16:30.320 where it came from and who harvested it, doesn't make 1:16:30.360 --> 1:16:32.800 the tour. So they it's like, yeah, it's more of 1:16:32.800 --> 1:16:36.479 a historical you know, taking out of old collections or 1:16:36.800 --> 1:16:38.880 people find them. You know, Granddad had it thrown in 1:16:38.920 --> 1:16:40.679 the barn and they take it off and I still 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:42.559 have a tag on it and a little when it 1:16:42.600 --> 1:16:45.160 was harvested, who harvested where it came from? And then 1:16:45.200 --> 1:16:47.880 we put brand new mounts underneath them and take them 1:16:47.880 --> 1:16:50.679 on tour around the country. M hm. And you're involved 1:16:50.680 --> 1:16:52.479 in that. I do all the deer for that tour. 1:16:53.600 --> 1:16:55.400 Dan Woodbridge is the owner of it, and then I'm 1:16:55.439 --> 1:16:57.840 the tax fromis that does all the mountains that travel around. 1:16:58.680 --> 1:17:02.880 You've done all the mounts. Yeah, what's the biggest mule 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:08.280 do you ever mounted around? I can't even imagine, man. 1:17:09.000 --> 1:17:11.920 And at that point everything's custom right because like there's 1:17:11.960 --> 1:17:14.960 not a lot of mule you're walking around, so you're 1:17:15.120 --> 1:17:17.439 building your own forms and stuff. We can still get 1:17:17.479 --> 1:17:21.040 forms that are close with a minor alteration. Um so 1:17:22.520 --> 1:17:26.680 in reality, yeah, that that form does not match up 1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:29.840 to what that deer was originally. But you're not going 1:17:29.880 --> 1:17:32.280 to find a cape that was of that size to 1:17:32.400 --> 1:17:35.400 worry about getting on that forum anyway. So you just 1:17:35.720 --> 1:17:38.640 start with the absolute biggest primused mulder cape you can. 1:17:38.720 --> 1:17:41.240 We get a lot of amount of Canada and then 1:17:41.680 --> 1:17:43.680 just go from there. What's wrong with the cave that 1:17:43.760 --> 1:17:48.440 was on it? Most of them are deteriorated or just antlers. 1:17:48.439 --> 1:17:51.200 Like in the tour I got you, you're you're recreating, 1:17:51.200 --> 1:17:54.600 not recreating. You're putting new caves on old antlers. Yet 1:17:55.720 --> 1:17:59.240 what's the And I was I was gonna ask you, 1:17:59.280 --> 1:18:02.000 what's the biggest most common mistake people make when they're 1:18:02.040 --> 1:18:04.160 bringing stuff to the taxi? Germist? But just like, what 1:18:04.200 --> 1:18:06.280 are the mistakes people make when they're bringing stuff, and 1:18:06.280 --> 1:18:08.400 they're like, I want to get this mounted. Like uh 1:18:08.760 --> 1:18:10.880 like to say like deer rise, yeah, any whatever. I 1:18:10.880 --> 1:18:14.599 don't know, that's common one. Most people that hundle get 1:18:14.640 --> 1:18:17.000 a deer and probably one amount of at some point. 1:18:17.080 --> 1:18:20.960 I would say common mistakes would be dragging it, like 1:18:21.040 --> 1:18:23.280 dragging it around and wear all the hair off on 1:18:23.280 --> 1:18:26.559 one side of it, um cutting its throat after you 1:18:26.600 --> 1:18:28.559 shoot it and then want us to amount it, and 1:18:28.600 --> 1:18:30.759 it's hard to get it right. Again. It's very difficult 1:18:30.760 --> 1:18:32.800 to hide to cut throat because you kept through all 1:18:32.800 --> 1:18:34.639 the hair. I mean, if you poked in and went 1:18:34.720 --> 1:18:36.640 under and cut out, it wouldn't be as bad. But 1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:38.479 when he just they lay the knife across it and 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:40.160 cut all the hair off and you have to jump 1:18:40.240 --> 1:18:43.840 up to get past that. So it creates a pinch point. Yeah, 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:45.360 I want to let me, let me. I want to 1:18:45.439 --> 1:18:47.120 dwell on that for a second. Just explain me talk 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:50.280 about the people. Is that if you take a like 1:18:50.479 --> 1:18:53.240 let's say you want to cut into a deer. Um, 1:18:53.280 --> 1:18:56.400 if you cut from the leather up right, yep, the 1:18:56.479 --> 1:18:59.080 knife passes through all the hair parts out of the way. 1:18:59.320 --> 1:19:01.760 But sometimes take a knife and try to make an 1:19:01.800 --> 1:19:05.160 incision in a deer coming down through it, hair everywhere 1:19:05.280 --> 1:19:08.320 a little Yeah, you cut through all the hair and 1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:11.720 create like shaving stuffing. Yeah, it's interesting to me that 1:19:11.760 --> 1:19:14.759 the throat cut is still around. That was like something 1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:19.120 that was prominent youth did. Oh it was a lot 1:19:19.160 --> 1:19:23.280 of guys were just like they yeah that you bleed it. Yeah, 1:19:23.320 --> 1:19:25.519 never mind, you just like put a thirty calber bull 1:19:25.600 --> 1:19:28.120 through its lungungs, right, there's like a cord of blood 1:19:28.200 --> 1:19:30.240 laying in their loose. It's just you then go bleed 1:19:30.280 --> 1:19:34.880 it to Yeah, well finishing it off, that's another one. 1:19:34.960 --> 1:19:36.960 Bring it in, shoot it through the face after it's 1:19:37.040 --> 1:19:39.760 been to dispatch it, and then want us to mount it. 1:19:39.960 --> 1:19:42.840 And it looks like that, you know, he's just going 1:19:42.840 --> 1:19:45.519 into a bar and it's missing half of his Can 1:19:45.560 --> 1:19:52.200 I open us up? Sorry? Whose bears that? It was 1:19:52.720 --> 1:19:55.800 a guy that used to work for me. Yeah, shot 1:19:55.840 --> 1:19:58.120 it and I was just, I don't know, morbidly curious 1:19:58.200 --> 1:20:01.439 on what the skull looked like, so I had it cleaned. Jeez, 1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:06.920 inter resting. That's cool though, right, So what are we 1:20:06.960 --> 1:20:09.200 looking at? We got a black beard. It's missing the 1:20:09.240 --> 1:20:12.920 back of his head. A black beard skull. They got 1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:20.280 shot ultramega. Was he trying to hit it there peeking 1:20:20.360 --> 1:20:23.280 up over a log? Oh I see, Oh yeah, that 1:20:23.360 --> 1:20:28.639 brain is he didn't go far short short blood trail. 1:20:30.320 --> 1:20:33.240 One of the kind of mistakes cutting through it, cutting throat, 1:20:33.520 --> 1:20:38.439 cutting a cape too short, old older style like in 1:20:38.479 --> 1:20:40.720 the like. I'm sure a lot of the ones that 1:20:40.760 --> 1:20:42.559 you guys get seen sent in for the old text. 1:20:42.560 --> 1:20:45.240 For me, it's a neck mount, not a shoulder mount, 1:20:45.560 --> 1:20:47.400 and so people end up cutting it really high up 1:20:47.439 --> 1:20:49.920 on the shoulder, like no brisket left on it, and 1:20:49.960 --> 1:20:51.519 so then you just don't have enough cape to ask 1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:53.360 you want them to, like if they're going to keepe 1:20:53.400 --> 1:20:56.000 it like way back on the start, start basically at 1:20:56.040 --> 1:20:57.880 the sternum and go all the way around. Is it 1:20:58.040 --> 1:21:01.400 right that it's hard to get when someone messes up 1:21:01.439 --> 1:21:04.479 the arm pits. It's hard to get it back right again. 1:21:05.240 --> 1:21:08.880 If it's there, No, if they cut up and then 1:21:09.320 --> 1:21:11.280 that piece is missing, then yes. But if they just 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:13.360 make an incorrect cut but the hide is there, a 1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:15.080 lot of times will end up on the side and 1:21:15.120 --> 1:21:16.880 then you pull it back in and sew the leg 1:21:16.920 --> 1:21:20.040 back together and split the leg down the side. Hey, Steve, 1:21:20.120 --> 1:21:21.760 you know what we should do. We should come up 1:21:21.800 --> 1:21:26.320 with new bandanas that show how you should properly skin 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:28.960 and cape certain critters if you want to take them 1:21:28.960 --> 1:21:35.559 to who I think you're putting the artist category. They 1:21:35.560 --> 1:21:38.160 do a lot of Africa stuff and for a lot 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:41.759 of people who want like full He's like, I spend 1:21:41.840 --> 1:21:47.519 a lot of my time reconstructing penis sheaths, genitals like 1:21:48.760 --> 1:21:51.240 on full bodies, because folks, are you used to just 1:21:52.000 --> 1:21:55.920 cutting them out? M hmm, And especially on African stuff 1:21:55.960 --> 1:21:58.880 where it's very short hair. I mean it looks like 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:01.000 kindall you'd be something that you would notice, you know, 1:22:01.000 --> 1:22:04.680 it would be very obvious. So yeah, trying to reconstruct 1:22:04.720 --> 1:22:08.479 all that, you're like something I can't quite figure out 1:22:08.520 --> 1:22:13.840 what it is, but something's missing. What Why does have 1:22:13.920 --> 1:22:19.080 you done much of Africa stuff? Why does uh? Like 1:22:19.080 --> 1:22:21.960 why do elephants and hippos always look so phony? They 1:22:21.960 --> 1:22:26.120 look like theybe like a poxyed? A lot of them 1:22:26.160 --> 1:22:33.000 are phony. So it's like whole fishing rightly? What do 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:35.839 you got there? This will be this is a supply catalog. 1:22:35.920 --> 1:22:40.840 Let me see if I can find African in here. Yeah, 1:22:40.880 --> 1:22:42.719 it's like if you looking at a text every collection 1:22:42.720 --> 1:22:44.560 in some big game room and you see that and 1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:46.920 you're like, yea, look, look looks like like you got 1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:49.960 it from a plastic injection molding place. Yeah, the rhinos, 1:22:50.000 --> 1:22:54.040 the hippos, elephants, a lot of them are. Really they're 1:22:54.080 --> 1:22:57.920 on the same. I don't know what's in here somewhere 1:22:58.560 --> 1:23:01.000 like a tannery. I wouldn't imagine would have a hard 1:23:01.040 --> 1:23:04.880 time doing that though, Like where's your vat to treat? 1:23:05.800 --> 1:23:09.560 There's elephant. There's a there's a lot of tanneries that 1:23:09.560 --> 1:23:15.719 will do it. You can see full life size reproduction elephant. 1:23:16.560 --> 1:23:18.680 Oh Jesus, yeah, there you are. You just buy the 1:23:18.680 --> 1:23:20.920 whole damn elephant and then you just screw those tusks 1:23:20.920 --> 1:23:24.880 in there and put their tusks in it. You gotta 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:29.240 have a special house for that thing. Parkman doesn't say 1:23:29.240 --> 1:23:31.160 how much it costs. Oh there it is. Have you 1:23:31.160 --> 1:23:35.120 ever done an elephant? Just elephant foot footstools? Guess what 1:23:35.240 --> 1:23:39.479 you pay if you want an elephant e l P 1:23:39.800 --> 1:23:47.280 five zero zero slash five before shipping that sucker is 1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:52.599 ten grand. Yeah, that's a good guess. Ten thousand two 1:23:52.640 --> 1:23:56.840 bucks and YouTube can have gotten an elephant. And is 1:23:56.880 --> 1:24:02.840 that what's the material for that body mold. It's kind 1:24:02.880 --> 1:24:05.120 of like a fiberglass. Oh look at this. You just 1:24:05.160 --> 1:24:09.080 buy a whole damn elephant. Mm hmm. The whole fake 1:24:09.120 --> 1:24:14.320 elephant is eight thollars eighty seven thousand dollars and fifty cents. 1:24:14.720 --> 1:24:17.639 And it's just an elephant. And they don't even compu shipping, 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:22.800 just an elephant, and then you have to put it together. Yeah, 1:24:22.880 --> 1:24:25.280 for nine bucks, you could have a not real elephant 1:24:25.320 --> 1:24:27.240 standing in your house. Be a fun thing to do 1:24:27.280 --> 1:24:31.760 with the kids. Like, it's like a giant lego. I 1:24:31.800 --> 1:24:34.040 could cut my entire house and it still won't fit. 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:38.920 That's incredible. That's why it looks so bad. Yeah, Like 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:43.280 so that's becoming more more normal normalized now. A lot 1:24:43.280 --> 1:24:48.360 of reproduction stuff you do take that business. You know, 1:24:48.720 --> 1:24:51.520 I have yet to have to order one of those, um, 1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:56.880 but it definitely could come up. I'm thinking pent up front, 1:24:58.560 --> 1:25:03.320 paid in full and we order it. Yeah. So when 1:25:03.320 --> 1:25:06.559 you let's walk through a deer so dear, how dear? 1:25:06.880 --> 1:25:12.160 What happens to a dear? So guy shoots deer? Um, 1:25:12.280 --> 1:25:15.679 Let's say he guts it up to the sternum, drags 1:25:15.680 --> 1:25:17.800 in his truck, brings it over and says, I want 1:25:17.800 --> 1:25:21.639 to get my dear a shoulder mountain. Walk me through. 1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:24.439 What happens? What do you do? We'll have one of 1:25:24.479 --> 1:25:26.120 the guys go out there and skin the cape off 1:25:26.120 --> 1:25:28.120 for him at that point. I'm just to make sure 1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:30.160 that makes our life easier at that point. And you 1:25:30.200 --> 1:25:31.599 prefer it that way, because now you know what you're 1:25:31.640 --> 1:25:35.160 dealing with. Yes, you know, it's the cuts usually, uh, 1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:37.000 one of the other mistakes I see a lot of time, 1:25:37.080 --> 1:25:38.840 and it's it's not really that big of an issue 1:25:38.840 --> 1:25:41.840 on most deer mounts, but guys will start at the 1:25:41.840 --> 1:25:43.840 middle of the back and cut up to the base 1:25:43.880 --> 1:25:45.519 of the skull. That's what I thought you're supposed to do, 1:25:45.560 --> 1:25:47.200 and he kept from the base of the skull down. 1:25:47.760 --> 1:25:49.519 So you go with the hair so that parts out 1:25:49.520 --> 1:25:51.720 of the way, and if you're going up sometimes it'll 1:25:51.720 --> 1:25:54.280 still catch the hair and cut one side off. I had. 1:25:54.400 --> 1:25:56.559 What is So you prefer starting at the forehead and 1:25:56.560 --> 1:25:58.240 go back, start right at the base of the skull 1:25:58.320 --> 1:26:01.200 and go down to where you're circumfortence where you make 1:26:01.240 --> 1:26:04.200 the cut all the way around the body and then 1:26:04.920 --> 1:26:07.320 like and like to beating them out. I mean unless 1:26:07.320 --> 1:26:09.639 you're so that's a good question to ask your artists 1:26:09.640 --> 1:26:12.479 at that time if they prefer a short wine decision 1:26:12.680 --> 1:26:15.120 or if they do the full dorsal cut down the back. 1:26:15.439 --> 1:26:19.400 So you guys really like this artist Norman Clature. Well, 1:26:20.120 --> 1:26:23.479 it's it's more applicable nowadays. What do you what do 1:26:23.520 --> 1:26:27.719 you recommend? What do you recommend for antelope in the field? 1:26:28.960 --> 1:26:31.639 So their hair falls out so easy, it falls out 1:26:31.680 --> 1:26:35.240 really easy, and they blood stain. So that's one of 1:26:35.240 --> 1:26:36.880 the most common things we see with antalope is the 1:26:36.880 --> 1:26:39.320 blood staining around the face. Um, if you get your 1:26:39.320 --> 1:26:41.360 antelope and you know you're going to mount it, take 1:26:41.400 --> 1:26:44.040 some paper towels or toilet paper. You cut a bit 1:26:44.120 --> 1:26:46.800 of your band an up and get it plugged. Take 1:26:46.840 --> 1:26:48.559 your canteen and get the blood off as quick as 1:26:48.560 --> 1:26:51.400 you can because it goes inside the hair. When you 1:26:51.439 --> 1:26:53.479 say plugg what do you mean like fill the nose up, 1:26:53.520 --> 1:26:58.439 fill them out out so he's not out into the hair. Yeah, 1:26:58.439 --> 1:27:00.519 you can carry some of that quick clots up with you. Man, 1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:04.200 you can't wash it out once. If it sits there 1:27:04.200 --> 1:27:06.760 long enough, it actually draws into the hair follicle, so 1:27:06.800 --> 1:27:09.720 it's inside the hair showing through the hair. Yeah, so 1:27:09.880 --> 1:27:12.080 there's no no getting it out, and it'll do it 1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:13.679 like you see like on the shoulder mount you see 1:27:13.680 --> 1:27:16.200 the darker spots by the shoulder, that's another spot. You know. 1:27:16.240 --> 1:27:18.280 Just you can't just like peroxide it out because you 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:20.599 can get so many other colors next to it, and 1:27:20.720 --> 1:27:23.040 it would you'd have to fry the hair's like you said, 1:27:23.080 --> 1:27:25.640 proxy would lighten the outside of the hair. But the 1:27:25.680 --> 1:27:27.960 bloods on the inside showing through because it's like that, 1:27:28.439 --> 1:27:32.800 like this is like kind of particular to antelope and 1:27:32.880 --> 1:27:35.720 like sheep, doll, sheep, that's the one that we see 1:27:35.720 --> 1:27:37.799 a lot. You know, guys just don't know they're coded 1:27:37.840 --> 1:27:40.080 in blood. It's too late. Yeah, yeah, and then it 1:27:40.080 --> 1:27:42.040 has soaks in like that quarter inch you had that 1:27:42.080 --> 1:27:43.720 halo and if you just part the hair bag is 1:27:43.800 --> 1:27:47.120 beautiful white, but it's got that frosted brown on the outside. 1:27:47.240 --> 1:27:48.920 Is it okay? Just like go down to a cold 1:27:48.960 --> 1:27:50.400 as creak and throw it in the air and try 1:27:50.439 --> 1:27:52.880 to just get it all out right away and then 1:27:52.920 --> 1:27:55.160 just get it hung up and get the water off 1:27:55.160 --> 1:27:57.040 of it, get it drying back out again. But yeah, 1:27:57.120 --> 1:27:58.920 so if you got to anlopeate that blood and it 1:27:58.920 --> 1:28:01.880 you can just turn a hose it. Just that's better 1:28:01.880 --> 1:28:04.679 than leaving it. That's better than leaving it bloody. Yeah, 1:28:04.920 --> 1:28:06.519 you just gotta make sure you get it back to dry. 1:28:06.560 --> 1:28:08.040 You know, you wouldn't want to do that then throw 1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:09.719 it in a bag because it's still gonna be leaching 1:28:09.720 --> 1:28:11.640 out more blood from a tissue at that point. So 1:28:11.680 --> 1:28:13.559 you want to rinse the hair off and get it 1:28:14.080 --> 1:28:18.000 hanging to where the water runs off. Finally, yeah, if 1:28:18.080 --> 1:28:19.680 if you leave the skull in it, Yeah, what do 1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:20.920 you what do you what's a good way to plug 1:28:20.960 --> 1:28:24.800 it with? What? Paper? Towels? Toilet paper? About like vasiline? 1:28:24.840 --> 1:28:26.760 You know, like when you have like UFC fights and 1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:29.880 then it gets his his uh you know, something in 1:28:29.920 --> 1:28:32.560 his face split and they pack it with some I 1:28:32.600 --> 1:28:35.280 wouldn't put that on an antelope just because it would 1:28:35.320 --> 1:28:38.479 probably soak that oil up into the hair. Also, you 1:28:38.560 --> 1:28:41.639 mentioned leaving the skull, and I'm assuming you on any 1:28:42.080 --> 1:28:44.920 big game animal if someone doesn't know what they're doing, 1:28:45.000 --> 1:28:48.360 like just leave the head like the head unskinned. Yeah, 1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:52.040 I mean that ideally, Yeah, um, for our benefit, but 1:28:52.080 --> 1:28:54.080 I understand, you know, when you shoot an elk four 1:28:54.080 --> 1:28:56.519 miles from the truck and you're gonna mount it and 1:28:56.600 --> 1:28:58.640 not do a European You're like, should I carry the 1:28:58.680 --> 1:29:01.000 twenty five pound block? Is all out with me or not? 1:29:01.080 --> 1:29:05.000 So it you know that you don't have to make 1:29:05.000 --> 1:29:07.080 that call yourself at some point on what you want 1:29:07.080 --> 1:29:11.840 to do. I carry it actual scalpel. I mean I 1:29:11.960 --> 1:29:15.880 used to, and now I don't walk around anything. But yeah, 1:29:16.520 --> 1:29:19.599 I had like a separate little kit inside my other 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:22.720 kit for doing faces and ye pause and stuff for 1:29:22.800 --> 1:29:25.720 bears and stuff. But that was it was a good 1:29:25.720 --> 1:29:27.960 way to kind of get some of your your own 1:29:28.000 --> 1:29:36.040 alone time too, because yeah, antelope is my number one 1:29:37.000 --> 1:29:42.240 uh mounted animal. Like there, it's a really pretty mountain. 1:29:42.360 --> 1:29:46.200 They're pretty animals. They're small, so you can fit them 1:29:46.200 --> 1:29:48.720 in a lot of different places and if they fall 1:29:48.760 --> 1:29:50.720 off the wall, they're not gonna kill anybody, right, I 1:29:50.760 --> 1:29:53.760 think there's a lot of pros and the Antelope mountain. Yeah, 1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:55.519 that's why. That's why I asked, because that's like the 1:29:55.600 --> 1:29:58.040 one thing that I want to get. Shoulder mounts. Yeah, 1:29:58.920 --> 1:30:02.639 I have like us probably over half a dozen floating 1:30:02.640 --> 1:30:07.680 around Massoula. I've given away over there. Yeah, because I 1:30:07.760 --> 1:30:12.719 was like living out of my truck. You have to clients. Yeah, yeah, 1:30:12.960 --> 1:30:14.639 did you did you write your name on the back 1:30:14.680 --> 1:30:18.280 of him? Well, a buddy mine just called me. He's like, hey, 1:30:18.320 --> 1:30:21.559 come over and do some framing for me and get 1:30:21.600 --> 1:30:27.680 these fucking Antiope, so I might do that mcmig donation. 1:30:28.600 --> 1:30:33.160 That should be an upcoming Yeah, all right, So the 1:30:33.680 --> 1:30:36.840 guy shows up, you have one of your folks go out, 1:30:37.400 --> 1:30:41.320 one of your artists keeps it. Then there you are. 1:30:41.400 --> 1:30:43.760 You gotta keeped out, dear and bring it back in 1:30:43.840 --> 1:30:45.840 the shop and then we'll actually take the skull out 1:30:45.880 --> 1:30:48.760 of it at that point and turn the ears inside out, 1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:51.479 turn your lips, your nostrils, your eyelids, remove all the 1:30:51.479 --> 1:30:54.479 excess flesh from it fat and then bury it in salt. 1:30:54.640 --> 1:30:57.800 And you're doing that over a fleshing beam um on 1:30:57.840 --> 1:30:59.680 a deer a lot of times. Yeah, but if I 1:30:59.720 --> 1:31:01.479 skin myself a lot of time, there's really not much 1:31:01.520 --> 1:31:06.080 to clean skin, which if you get enough practice at it, 1:31:06.080 --> 1:31:08.640 it's it's very legit, very viable way to do it. 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:11.320 But when you're first started as a pretty high risk 1:31:11.400 --> 1:31:13.200 way of cutting a lot of holes in your deer, 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:15.760 it's here, it's Okay to leave a little fat meat 1:31:15.800 --> 1:31:18.240 on there. If you're starting to, like I'm getting kind 1:31:18.280 --> 1:31:20.760 of close to cutting, just leave it on there. It's 1:31:20.960 --> 1:31:22.599 not a big deal. Someone will get it off later. 1:31:22.720 --> 1:31:26.160 You prefer to do them clean. Salting is a weird deal. 1:31:27.200 --> 1:31:31.120 There's a lot of misconception. Yeah, I remember it. Well. 1:31:31.280 --> 1:31:34.600 Here's the thing I don't get is I used to 1:31:34.640 --> 1:31:41.639 sell for for bear for at the um this thing 1:31:41.640 --> 1:31:45.120 called Ravanna for auction, and there every lot gets bit on, right, 1:31:45.680 --> 1:31:47.960 but deer when you brought deer, you could also sell 1:31:48.040 --> 1:31:51.000 deer at the Ravana for our auction. And the first 1:31:51.040 --> 1:31:54.519 deer that came up, they bid on it, and that 1:31:54.600 --> 1:31:56.720 was the price for every deer that came through the door. 1:31:57.920 --> 1:31:59.960 And these are just deer hides of people pulled off, 1:32:00.080 --> 1:32:03.160 and I mean the bulk of them. People open it 1:32:03.240 --> 1:32:08.040 up and dump a I don't think of moreton table 1:32:08.080 --> 1:32:10.160 salt on. But then I just thought it was like 1:32:10.240 --> 1:32:13.120 normal practice. So I later learned that doesn't do anybody 1:32:13.160 --> 1:32:16.240 any good. No, no, Like, it's gotta be clean. It's 1:32:16.240 --> 1:32:18.920 got to be clean. Like you could have a quarter 1:32:18.960 --> 1:32:21.639 inch piece of meat on a deer hide and salt 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:24.000 of work, right, through it, but an eighth of an 1:32:24.040 --> 1:32:26.280 inch of fat and it creates that oil barrier and 1:32:26.600 --> 1:32:29.320 it never gets to this the actual epidermal layer to 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:31.000 pull that moisture out and set the hair, and the 1:32:31.080 --> 1:32:34.479 hair will slip anyway. Got you? So do you get 1:32:34.479 --> 1:32:36.240 a lot of stuff like some guy skins bear. It's 1:32:36.280 --> 1:32:38.280 got fat meat all over and he poured salt all 1:32:38.280 --> 1:32:40.519 over the head and at the feet and it's still 1:32:40.720 --> 1:32:42.920 They pour a bag of rock salt on it, roll 1:32:43.000 --> 1:32:45.880 it up and send it. Yeah, does it make your 1:32:45.960 --> 1:32:50.559 job harder? Yes? Yes, you really don't want people salt 1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:52.680 and stuff. You can trying to keep an edge on 1:32:52.720 --> 1:32:55.680 a knife fleshing through salt. You know you're like that 1:32:55.840 --> 1:32:58.200 was that? Stroke a bag up? Make a couple of 1:32:58.240 --> 1:32:59.880 cats stroke it back up? What do you use for 1:32:59.880 --> 1:33:03.240 a knife? A lot of times when refleshing bears, I 1:33:03.320 --> 1:33:08.479 use a shaving wheel? Um, actual bench mounted shaving wheel. UM. 1:33:08.640 --> 1:33:11.439 I can't picture you're talking about. Is that a Is 1:33:11.479 --> 1:33:13.240 that a skinning tool or like a work to it? 1:33:13.240 --> 1:33:15.760 It's actually just for removing flesh and shaving like a 1:33:15.920 --> 1:33:19.040 shaving a tan tide down? Is it on an angle grinder? No, 1:33:19.160 --> 1:33:23.479 it's it's a different beast, you know what you're talking about? That. Yeah, 1:33:23.520 --> 1:33:26.400 it's like one of those you know. It's like I'm 1:33:26.479 --> 1:33:30.639 I'm picturing like a like a big gas meat slicer wheel. 1:33:30.720 --> 1:33:33.160 Oh yeah, okay, No, that's not what I was picturing. 1:33:33.640 --> 1:33:37.000 I was picturing like a like a wheel, like one 1:33:37.000 --> 1:33:39.120 of those things you like a grinder you mount on 1:33:39.160 --> 1:33:42.240 your on your work bench that has like the grinding 1:33:42.280 --> 1:33:48.240 wheels on mane flushing table. Probably gotta figure out how 1:33:48.280 --> 1:33:49.840 to use that thing before you get started. Oh yeah, 1:33:49.840 --> 1:33:53.240 that there's there's a curve on that one. I can't 1:33:53.240 --> 1:33:55.960 really picture. Always the new guys they like if they 1:33:55.960 --> 1:33:58.000 shoot their own deer, you know, I'm like, you can 1:33:58.080 --> 1:34:00.800 practice on that because you will make a hole like 1:34:00.840 --> 1:34:03.320 that big. Just yeah. People can picture like a deli 1:34:03.400 --> 1:34:06.479 like a deli slicer. It's the blade of a deli 1:34:06.560 --> 1:34:10.000 slicer mountain on top of a workbench and you walk 1:34:10.080 --> 1:34:11.679 up that some bit and tried to cut your hand 1:34:11.720 --> 1:34:14.120 off and like keep the blade between the Yeah you 1:34:14.200 --> 1:34:16.479 got yeah, because there's there's a guard on it, but 1:34:16.720 --> 1:34:19.759 it's still exposed, so you just the only real guards 1:34:20.040 --> 1:34:22.240 and you're just running it down there and like guiding 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:26.280 it through the Wow. Have you ever done a beaver 1:34:26.360 --> 1:34:29.200 hide with one of those or something? Oh? Yeah? For 1:34:29.240 --> 1:34:30.960 me it is a couple of my guys like it. 1:34:31.040 --> 1:34:33.120 A couple of them don't. How fast could you do 1:34:33.160 --> 1:34:35.639 a beaver with that thing? Like a freshwa still kind 1:34:35.640 --> 1:34:37.960 of fatty a couple of minutes. I think we need 1:34:38.320 --> 1:34:40.799 I think we need a beaver pillow. We know, oh 1:34:41.080 --> 1:34:46.840 you know said he doesn't like pillows. It's not but 1:34:46.920 --> 1:34:49.040 maybe it's not curled up. Maybe it's like I don't know, 1:34:50.120 --> 1:34:52.479 this bird flasher, that's what I was picturing. Yep, it 1:34:52.560 --> 1:34:55.320 was like the wire wire wire wheel. I think we're 1:34:55.320 --> 1:34:58.000 doing a I think we're doing a live show coming 1:34:58.040 --> 1:35:00.280 up in buildings. This is there'll be special for Cal 1:35:00.439 --> 1:35:03.200 like a homecoming for Ocal. We're gonna do a live 1:35:03.240 --> 1:35:05.040 show come up for Billings. What my vision of it is, 1:35:05.120 --> 1:35:11.960 it's a lot of comp ticuts over there. It's a 1:35:12.000 --> 1:35:18.880 whole thing. Uh. When the curtain opens, I want the 1:35:18.880 --> 1:35:20.920 curtain open will be like a play and there's gonna 1:35:20.960 --> 1:35:24.720 be Seth at his fleshing beam, and there's gonna be 1:35:24.760 --> 1:35:26.920 like our normal scene. And off in the corner is 1:35:26.960 --> 1:35:29.920 one of those theater spotlights. And the whole time. So 1:35:30.000 --> 1:35:32.720 it's gonna be fleshing on a flesh and beam with 1:35:32.800 --> 1:35:36.160 a spotlight on. It's gonna be so beautiful. Canna be great? 1:35:36.200 --> 1:35:41.759 What about the flesh A mini flesher, it's it's basically 1:35:41.760 --> 1:35:44.760 a die grinder and has got that little blade on there. 1:35:44.920 --> 1:35:47.160 This is I gotta play with one of them once. 1:35:47.360 --> 1:35:50.640 I was terrifying. Yeah, I'll tell you that one. I 1:35:50.640 --> 1:35:54.840 could ruin so much ship with that so fast. They 1:35:54.880 --> 1:36:00.720 got a blaster and master blaster dryers. Reminds of this 1:36:00.880 --> 1:36:04.920 reminds me very much of like when you're like, why 1:36:05.120 --> 1:36:08.240 why would I ever pay somebody to mount the bindings 1:36:08.240 --> 1:36:10.519 to my skis? And then the first thing you do 1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:15.599 is you drill through the ski and you're like it'll 1:36:15.600 --> 1:36:21.960 be fine. Uh so what knights you use skinning? Like? 1:36:22.040 --> 1:36:24.360 Do you use replaceable razors? Are you sitting there with 1:36:24.360 --> 1:36:26.640 a strap like in the old days? I pretty much 1:36:26.680 --> 1:36:28.160 just sit with a strap like the old days and 1:36:28.360 --> 1:36:30.759 keep a steel right next to me. Um the Victor Knox. 1:36:30.920 --> 1:36:35.920 So you like those commercial you know they're inexpensive, and uh, 1:36:36.080 --> 1:36:38.880 you're sharpening constantly like on a in the spring bear. 1:36:38.960 --> 1:36:41.840 I mean you'll use pretty much one knife from brand 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:46.800 new to garbage in a week, just sharpening, sharping, and 1:36:46.880 --> 1:36:48.320 you put a hell of an edge on those things. 1:36:48.320 --> 1:36:50.280 But it just doesn't stay for long. But if you're 1:36:50.280 --> 1:36:53.360 doing a strap anyways, you know what you're doing. We 1:36:53.400 --> 1:36:55.000 can get I can I can skin out a whole 1:36:55.000 --> 1:36:56.840 bear with one without having to go actually back to 1:36:56.880 --> 1:36:59.519 a stone on it. If you just keep working it 1:36:59.560 --> 1:37:02.519 on them, deal or straw whatever. Stay away from you know, 1:37:02.920 --> 1:37:05.040 scraping it on the bones and stuff like that. Just 1:37:05.040 --> 1:37:08.800 stay to the flesh. Acts pretty doable. I want to 1:37:08.800 --> 1:37:12.160 get back to our following our theoretical deer through the process. 1:37:12.160 --> 1:37:14.280 But I want to ask you a bearer question. When 1:37:14.320 --> 1:37:18.960 a guy brings you a whole bear, um what like 1:37:19.920 --> 1:37:21.559 you get the hide, but then he's got to come 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:24.160 right back over and bring his meat down and process 1:37:24.200 --> 1:37:26.040 it or pick it up or whatever? Right yes? Or 1:37:26.040 --> 1:37:27.840 does he does he? You just have him staying there 1:37:27.840 --> 1:37:29.280 while you do it. A lot of times you all 1:37:29.360 --> 1:37:30.840 just have them wait if they're going to take because 1:37:30.840 --> 1:37:35.559 you want and everything. We have a list of people 1:37:35.760 --> 1:37:39.439 they'll contact us from around the Liby area that want 1:37:39.439 --> 1:37:41.600 bear meat. I do like, if you have anybody that 1:37:41.640 --> 1:37:43.640 doesn't want their bear meat, give us a call. So 1:37:43.680 --> 1:37:46.599 then if I know somebody, yeah, I bet I donated 1:37:47.360 --> 1:37:51.320 probably to thirty of them last spring. That's awesome. Yeah, 1:37:51.439 --> 1:37:52.880 how they come, they just come, get the whole thing 1:37:52.920 --> 1:37:55.439 on the carcass yep. And if they're going to come, 1:37:55.479 --> 1:37:58.920 you know, it is very nice for them to provide 1:37:58.920 --> 1:38:00.920 that service for us to act like show up when 1:38:00.920 --> 1:38:02.160 they say they're going to show up. So if I 1:38:02.160 --> 1:38:05.160 get somebody that I know is gonna actually do what 1:38:05.160 --> 1:38:07.240 they said they're going to, I'll just quarter it out, 1:38:07.280 --> 1:38:08.840 pull the backstraps out of it and stuff, get it 1:38:08.880 --> 1:38:13.519 all bagged up. So and then all they all right. 1:38:13.520 --> 1:38:15.240 So our dear you said throwing a bucket of salt, 1:38:15.760 --> 1:38:18.760 not sprinkle the jar of Morton's table salt on there. No, 1:38:18.880 --> 1:38:22.160 I use a fairly coarse ground salt. It's not rock salt, 1:38:22.240 --> 1:38:26.439 but it's a mixed mixing salt for hey, um yeah, 1:38:26.439 --> 1:38:30.679 as we just lay it out on the mixing salt 1:38:30.720 --> 1:38:35.760 for hay, for livestock. It's just a course kill. Yeah, 1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:38.560 I see. And you just get it laid out on 1:38:38.600 --> 1:38:40.519 the floor flat, make sure there's no folds in it, 1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:43.960 so it's like it's amazing how many guys when you're 1:38:44.000 --> 1:38:46.599 first teaching them to salt that actually make a mistake. 1:38:46.600 --> 1:38:48.160 It's like, you just have to get salt on all 1:38:48.200 --> 1:38:51.240 of it. That's it. There's like no technique, just salt 1:38:51.280 --> 1:38:53.439 on all of it. And they'll be like they'll forget 1:38:53.479 --> 1:38:55.280 to fold the face back and so the face will 1:38:55.280 --> 1:38:58.160 be stuck down. My kids arguing about what a clean 1:38:58.200 --> 1:39:02.439 plate looks like. I'm no, no, you'll know you're done 1:39:02.960 --> 1:39:08.559 because there'll be nothing like that, right, it'll be very obvious, 1:39:11.120 --> 1:39:25.640 the opposite of the way. You're getting closer. I see 1:39:26.000 --> 1:39:29.360 assault on everything, on everything. You can't overdo it. Nope, 1:39:29.360 --> 1:39:31.760 you can't overdo it. So I leave I usually leave 1:39:31.800 --> 1:39:34.000 it in the salt twenty four hours. Then i'll take 1:39:34.000 --> 1:39:36.280 it out for using a salty table. It'll drain, is 1:39:36.320 --> 1:39:38.840 that of incline, so it's interesting. It'll run if we 1:39:38.960 --> 1:39:40.840 if we don't like big items were doing on the floor, 1:39:40.840 --> 1:39:42.479 because there's a lot of good coming off there, a 1:39:42.520 --> 1:39:44.599 lot of moisture. Yeah, you'll you'll see it, like when 1:39:44.640 --> 1:39:46.040 we're doing the bears and you get like four or 1:39:46.040 --> 1:39:48.240 five six bears stacked up in salt, you'll see the 1:39:48.280 --> 1:39:51.479 trail of water running off the pile towards the floor drains. 1:39:51.600 --> 1:39:55.400 I got interrupted from it. This conversation just reminami is 1:39:55.479 --> 1:40:00.400 something the time, very time since theive issue. Did you 1:40:00.439 --> 1:40:04.519 apply for the Idaho spring Bragger spressure special draw? No, 1:40:05.320 --> 1:40:11.840 that's a good one. Jimmy's giant trout was in the smoker. Hey, 1:40:11.840 --> 1:40:15.400 can you run out and uh grab that those fish 1:40:15.400 --> 1:40:19.479 flames out of that smoker real quick. I left him 1:40:19.479 --> 1:40:22.519 in there and it's been probably too long. Grab a 1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:25.360 hot grab a hot pad, and just open that cabinet. 1:40:25.479 --> 1:40:27.880 It looks like a cabinet. It's next to the grill. 1:40:28.000 --> 1:40:30.880 Just open the door and it's all on one wire rack. 1:40:31.000 --> 1:40:33.880 So you just pull the wire rack out and then 1:40:35.000 --> 1:40:36.719 just set it on top of the grill or something 1:40:36.800 --> 1:40:41.600 because it'll be it'll be it'll be uh smell like 1:40:41.640 --> 1:40:43.400 smoke fish for a few minutes. But just lay it 1:40:43.439 --> 1:40:47.719 outside to cool. Sorry about that. Yeah, the salting table. 1:40:48.360 --> 1:40:54.040 How made me think it will smoke fish? Good? Uh? 1:40:54.520 --> 1:40:57.200 Where were we salting table? Oh? So when it's done 1:40:57.280 --> 1:41:00.519 salting um, it's wet, yes, so can it. So when 1:41:00.520 --> 1:41:03.240 we've taken we have racks that we assemble and assemble 1:41:03.280 --> 1:41:06.519 throughout the seasons, and you just put a new rung 1:41:06.600 --> 1:41:08.080 on the rack and then he drape him over the 1:41:08.120 --> 1:41:10.599 rack and then let him start drying out like at night, 1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:13.200 will turn the heat up and put fans out. Next 1:41:13.240 --> 1:41:15.400 morning you should be able to fold it and then 1:41:15.439 --> 1:41:17.639 eventually you have it folded up into a nice little 1:41:17.640 --> 1:41:21.320 package like rock hard dry because you know, at that 1:41:21.360 --> 1:41:25.479 point is it like pretty much archival. Remember guys showing 1:41:25.479 --> 1:41:28.000 me a text Romans I used to know had a 1:41:28.160 --> 1:41:31.439 zebra that he had killed. I feel like he told 1:41:31.439 --> 1:41:34.040 me that he had killed it seven years earlier. But 1:41:34.040 --> 1:41:38.120 I mean this thing was like rock hard. Yeah, just 1:41:38.240 --> 1:41:41.519 salt crusted in rock hard. And he was not worried 1:41:41.520 --> 1:41:43.599 about it. He's like, you got soaked the piss out 1:41:43.600 --> 1:41:45.040 of that thing to get it back to life. And 1:41:45.280 --> 1:41:47.080 as long as it's in a spot where nothing like 1:41:47.160 --> 1:41:50.559 mice insects don't get to it, um, it'd lasting. Definitely, 1:41:50.600 --> 1:41:53.680 really keep it dry, man, don't let anything eat it 1:41:53.760 --> 1:41:56.599 mid last, definitely. So if deer season is running hot 1:41:56.600 --> 1:42:00.240 and heavy, that's what you guys are doing. Oh yeah, 1:42:00.479 --> 1:42:08.320 your skin in salting drying. And this spring bear season 1:42:09.040 --> 1:42:12.200 is historically the busiest season for my studio because you 1:42:12.240 --> 1:42:14.719 guys are in like bear central. Yeah. Do you guys 1:42:14.760 --> 1:42:19.719 get more bears than dear? Oh yeah, yeah definitely. Um. 1:42:19.760 --> 1:42:23.760 This year we were after everything started taking back off, 1:42:23.880 --> 1:42:27.960 we were really shorthanded. UM had one gad family stuff 1:42:28.000 --> 1:42:30.439 come up, so he was gone, and then we got 1:42:30.800 --> 1:42:33.559 outfitter where like one day I got thirteen bears in 1:42:34.479 --> 1:42:37.840 there's nobody there but size myself like I did. I 1:42:37.880 --> 1:42:41.880 did fifty one days straight. Might just have one daughter 1:42:41.880 --> 1:42:45.720 and she's she'll be sixteen one her skin a knife Christmas. 1:42:46.479 --> 1:42:53.280 She's thinking more like law school. That's probably It's like this, 1:42:53.640 --> 1:42:58.680 this is the family business year. Could be have be 1:42:58.800 --> 1:43:03.320 the only lawyer with the popeye four arms or somebody 1:43:02.000 --> 1:43:05.559 who's yeah, tell her like if as long as we 1:43:05.840 --> 1:43:07.840 stay honest and get the hides back, we don't need 1:43:07.920 --> 1:43:12.280 law protection right just to skin skin, to just stay 1:43:12.320 --> 1:43:15.120 clear the law. Hey John, what about it? I'm still 1:43:15.200 --> 1:43:18.559 dreaming about these squishy pills. What about a black bear pillow? 1:43:19.120 --> 1:43:20.960 That would be kind of like you could It would 1:43:21.000 --> 1:43:22.760 be like in someone's living room you could just lean 1:43:22.800 --> 1:43:29.200 again sleeping. We did do a small black bear UM, 1:43:29.240 --> 1:43:32.799 and the way we did it, it wasn't. Yeah, I wouldn't. 1:43:32.800 --> 1:43:36.559 I wouldn't say it was a success um for certain things. 1:43:36.560 --> 1:43:38.680 If you still want to do the soft mount, I 1:43:38.720 --> 1:43:42.400 would do like annealed wire frame inside of it, like 1:43:42.560 --> 1:43:45.559 when squirrel mounts when you'd make the you know, wood wool, 1:43:45.600 --> 1:43:47.200 and you put your wires through there. Then you can 1:43:47.240 --> 1:43:50.479 bend his legs and get him in position like old 1:43:50.560 --> 1:43:54.320 old squirrel talk like original stuffing. When you were actually 1:43:54.320 --> 1:43:56.880 stuffing it said I only get the deer stuff. People 1:43:56.880 --> 1:43:58.519 would still say when I was a kid, you get 1:43:58.800 --> 1:44:04.160 stuff with a piece of foam. Yeah, But then you 1:44:04.160 --> 1:44:06.759 can still do this soft mount and it's still be suppled, 1:44:06.760 --> 1:44:08.760 but you would be able to pose it because so 1:44:08.800 --> 1:44:12.720 it's not just like slumped over on the floor. So 1:44:12.760 --> 1:44:16.240 you got all these little dried out packets that are 1:44:16.280 --> 1:44:19.840 deer hides. At some point you pack them in a 1:44:20.040 --> 1:44:23.720 trucker crates and trucks and they go to the tannery 1:44:23.960 --> 1:44:27.400 start shipping him like this, just distributing him around so 1:44:27.439 --> 1:44:29.880 that we could actually get him back. When when I 1:44:29.920 --> 1:44:32.439 talked to my one tannery this spring and he's like, 1:44:32.479 --> 1:44:34.240 I was like, hey, you ready for a load. He's like, well, 1:44:34.240 --> 1:44:36.080 how many are we talking? I think I had a 1:44:36.120 --> 1:44:38.000 sixty eight or sixty nine of them put up at 1:44:38.000 --> 1:44:40.160 that time, and he's like, oh God, no, don't don't 1:44:40.200 --> 1:44:43.360 do that to me. Yeah, he's like, he's like, I'm 1:44:43.360 --> 1:44:46.400 still getting stuff from last year. He's like, don't. He's like, 1:44:46.439 --> 1:44:48.280 if you want it back, He's like, he can't send 1:44:48.320 --> 1:44:50.240 me that much at one time. So I was like, 1:44:50.280 --> 1:44:53.800 all right, So he started ship finding other places. Someone 1:44:53.840 --> 1:44:56.280 told me once that every mountain He might have been 1:44:56.400 --> 1:44:59.120 exaggerating slightly, but the gist was like, every mountain go 1:44:59.240 --> 1:45:02.280 in the country comes from the same tannery. You don't 1:45:02.280 --> 1:45:06.760 buy that absolutely, not that they're like mountain goats specialists. No, 1:45:07.479 --> 1:45:11.439 there's a mountain goats. The two ways that are most 1:45:11.439 --> 1:45:14.040 commonly done is you're just like a traditional tan whether 1:45:14.080 --> 1:45:17.000 it's wet or dry or bleached. And there's only that's 1:45:17.000 --> 1:45:18.720 only one place I know that there's like a real 1:45:19.160 --> 1:45:22.000 real bleaching on him. Um and I don't. We don't 1:45:22.040 --> 1:45:24.720 do bleaching. So you don't like them bleached. You you 1:45:24.760 --> 1:45:27.719 want to have its natural color variations. Yep. And bleaching 1:45:27.800 --> 1:45:30.960 is really hard on him. My ride almost it's like 1:45:31.000 --> 1:45:33.720 on the ragged edge of destruction by the time you 1:45:33.800 --> 1:45:36.120 get done with it, it's just cooked. That proxy had 1:45:36.200 --> 1:45:39.080 just it cooks the leather. That's too bad, man, Like 1:45:39.120 --> 1:45:41.960 the all the pigment color, like the black around the 1:45:41.960 --> 1:45:43.760 eyes and the nose and stuff, that's all gone when 1:45:43.760 --> 1:45:46.280 it comes back the leathers is I feel like the 1:45:46.320 --> 1:45:48.759 one I have getting done right now is getting bleached. 1:45:50.280 --> 1:45:53.320 But it was crazy because he had a lot of coloration. Man, 1:45:53.360 --> 1:45:56.000 he had a lot of gray, like, he had a 1:45:56.040 --> 1:45:59.920 lot of gray hairs blended into him. Was he near 1:46:00.000 --> 1:46:03.679 a burn at all? Yeah, in a burn probably from 1:46:03.720 --> 1:46:07.560 the burntwood. This guy. Look at a head on this guy. 1:46:09.360 --> 1:46:12.320 I got a couple from the martial that had gray. 1:46:12.320 --> 1:46:13.479 I was like, well, it's got gray hair in it. 1:46:13.520 --> 1:46:19.640 But it washed out no ship, Yeah, like it was 1:46:19.720 --> 1:46:23.439 the color of the hair, Yeah, I know for sure. 1:46:23.439 --> 1:46:26.080 It looked like it had just like gray charcoal hairs, 1:46:26.400 --> 1:46:28.880 the black scar In Alaska, we do we get a lot, 1:46:28.920 --> 1:46:31.479 we do a lot of work for guys in Alaska. 1:46:31.479 --> 1:46:33.280 A lot of guys stationed in the coast guard us. 1:46:33.320 --> 1:46:36.880 So they ship us goats and grizzly bears and all 1:46:36.960 --> 1:46:40.760 sheep and all over all the time. And the goats 1:46:40.840 --> 1:46:42.240 up there, they have a lot of when I first 1:46:42.240 --> 1:46:44.280 started seeing them, like they have black and so is 1:46:44.320 --> 1:46:47.200 that black sand from up there, but it all washes 1:46:47.240 --> 1:46:51.440 out like like on a goat, anything with for um 1:46:51.640 --> 1:46:54.120 like shoulder mountain wires. All the goats always get it 1:46:54.600 --> 1:46:58.320 full shampoo and condition And that master blaster that's just 1:46:58.400 --> 1:47:00.960 a huge commercial blow dry. It's atually for doing like 1:47:01.080 --> 1:47:02.960 car shows or bike shows. So you can blow dry 1:47:03.000 --> 1:47:04.960 your car not leave you know, marks on it from 1:47:04.960 --> 1:47:08.920 toweling it. And so between the shampooon and conditioning and 1:47:08.960 --> 1:47:12.160 then the blast you can get all the organic materials 1:47:12.160 --> 1:47:14.640 that you don't want in there out. You know, we 1:47:14.800 --> 1:47:16.800 recently had on We're gonna keep just so you know, 1:47:16.800 --> 1:47:19.560 we're gonna keep following this deer project. We'll speed it 1:47:19.640 --> 1:47:23.160 up in a minute. But we recently had a fur 1:47:23.320 --> 1:47:26.040 handler on, like a trapper fur handler on the show, 1:47:26.560 --> 1:47:28.559 and I realized, now what we didn't talk to him about, 1:47:28.560 --> 1:47:30.960 which I know that he does, is he has a 1:47:31.000 --> 1:47:34.600 washing machine in his first shed, just just dedicated to 1:47:34.640 --> 1:47:39.840 that and everything he skins, skins a raccoon before he 1:47:39.880 --> 1:47:42.960 flashes it, it goes into that washing machine. No soap 1:47:43.400 --> 1:47:48.200 yep agitated, And I was talking to a Bobcat trapper 1:47:48.240 --> 1:47:53.520 the other day that does all of his with brightening shampoo. Yeah, 1:47:54.160 --> 1:47:58.200 shampoo's him just for presentation. The white bellies whiter. Yeah, 1:47:58.800 --> 1:48:01.720 like the goats. We use him bright and shampoo, but 1:48:01.840 --> 1:48:07.160 not dyeing it. Nope, no, no, like actual peroxide whitening. 1:48:07.360 --> 1:48:10.519 It's just like you know for guys with gray hair, 1:48:10.560 --> 1:48:12.240 you can use it too. If you got that yellow 1:48:12.280 --> 1:48:16.120 gray hair, it helps brighten it up. Got uh, eventually 1:48:16.120 --> 1:48:23.200 get all these eventually get these um to grow my 1:48:23.240 --> 1:48:28.920 hair bag and brighten. Uh. You get them all back 1:48:29.240 --> 1:48:31.240 they're tanned, and then it just looks like you gotta 1:48:31.280 --> 1:48:33.760 tan for it, right, I mean, yeah, most of our 1:48:34.000 --> 1:48:36.000 deer capes and stuff come back to try tan. And 1:48:36.040 --> 1:48:38.880 meanwhile all those antlers are were hanging on our hook. Yeah. 1:48:38.920 --> 1:48:41.240 We have a series of racks upstairs so we can 1:48:41.360 --> 1:48:43.599 keep like you know, white tails and mule deer, then 1:48:43.720 --> 1:48:46.000 keep the elk and the moose separator, got cariboo. Then 1:48:46.040 --> 1:48:48.280 we have spots for like when the African Safaris show up, 1:48:48.320 --> 1:48:51.280 we can keep all the African safaris separate. Why you 1:48:51.320 --> 1:48:53.080 worried about keep it separate, You're not gonna like easier 1:48:53.120 --> 1:48:56.920 to find oh if you keep it, yeah, to try 1:48:56.960 --> 1:48:59.240 to keep it species specific. And then so like a 1:48:59.240 --> 1:49:01.479 guy comes in his like your name on it turned 1:49:01.479 --> 1:49:08.360 into orcs. My just trying to trying to be able 1:49:08.400 --> 1:49:11.800 to find stuff easy because you know, I imagine your 1:49:11.800 --> 1:49:14.760 clientele likes that because it's like, well, I'm gonna swing 1:49:14.800 --> 1:49:16.920 in and show off my rack. Yeah, and you're like, 1:49:17.240 --> 1:49:18.920 I don't know where it's at. You know, Yeah, it's 1:49:18.920 --> 1:49:21.240 a lot nicer, and like you just go upstairs and 1:49:21.240 --> 1:49:24.160 you go back or there and from white tail section, 1:49:24.200 --> 1:49:26.200 your tags on it, your names on it, your invoice 1:49:26.240 --> 1:49:28.840 numbers on it, and then uh, you guys got to 1:49:28.880 --> 1:49:31.960 soak them right yep. So usually what I do is all, 1:49:32.520 --> 1:49:35.240 if we're gonna do like a dozen deer heads, I'll 1:49:35.280 --> 1:49:38.880 soak up those twelve capes. Contact everybody, find out what 1:49:38.920 --> 1:49:40.960 pose they want, if they want like looking left or right, 1:49:41.040 --> 1:49:43.920 or somebody sneaks or full sneaks or what they want 1:49:44.080 --> 1:49:46.679 that that might depend on where they want to put it, yep, yep. 1:49:47.040 --> 1:49:49.680 And then you always when they ask you, it's if 1:49:49.760 --> 1:49:52.160 you were the deer on the wall, which way would 1:49:52.160 --> 1:49:54.479 you turn your head? Not my left? Because I'm like, well, 1:49:54.479 --> 1:49:56.559 I don't know, let your left his left his lips. 1:49:56.560 --> 1:49:59.000 So yeah, it's always what's the full sneak where the 1:49:59.000 --> 1:50:01.559 head is below the back, like when you see a 1:50:01.880 --> 1:50:06.680 trailer that I was, did semi sneak looking left or right, 1:50:06.800 --> 1:50:10.640 you know, Brody decentus of one. It was like it 1:50:10.720 --> 1:50:14.640 was a goofy, a little bit goofy, but that's not 1:50:14.680 --> 1:50:17.880 the right word for it. Beautifully done, but like a 1:50:17.920 --> 1:50:21.960 weird cod odd odd placement. It was a deer jump 1:50:21.960 --> 1:50:25.160 with a fence, but it was basically like the deer 1:50:25.240 --> 1:50:32.120 committing suicide off the guys off the balcony railing. Yeah, 1:50:32.439 --> 1:50:37.719 but unbelievable, unbelievably well executed, Mike, when a white tail 1:50:37.840 --> 1:50:40.400 in the middle of one of those giant bounds that 1:50:40.439 --> 1:50:42.280 they do, but he was gonna land down in the 1:50:42.280 --> 1:50:45.720 living room. We're actually, when I when I get back 1:50:45.800 --> 1:50:48.400 next week, we're ordering a jumping white tail for a 1:50:48.439 --> 1:50:50.800 one eight class white tail and then there'll be about 1:50:50.840 --> 1:50:52.639 a hundred It was about a hundred and seventy pound 1:50:52.680 --> 1:50:56.320 mountain lion jump into the air to catch the white tail. 1:50:57.080 --> 1:50:59.880 That's some diorama. How does that work? Like went for 1:51:00.040 --> 1:51:04.200 and when someone's gonna do like a like a custom 1:51:04.360 --> 1:51:08.360 kind of thing like that, and like it's kind of 1:51:08.360 --> 1:51:11.439 based on the architecture of their house, like it needs 1:51:11.439 --> 1:51:13.599 to be in a certain position in a certain place, 1:51:13.680 --> 1:51:16.200 Like do they gotta do all the measuring or like 1:51:16.240 --> 1:51:19.600 how does that well? This particular one there in Texas, 1:51:19.840 --> 1:51:22.240 and uh, they got they found found out about us, 1:51:22.240 --> 1:51:25.200 got ahold of me. And then they've had an architect 1:51:25.360 --> 1:51:28.000 and a contractor at their place for like three or 1:51:28.040 --> 1:51:31.040 four years, they said, working on it constantly. And so 1:51:31.400 --> 1:51:33.679 he went up and gave me photographs of the study 1:51:33.720 --> 1:51:36.200 layout in the wall, and it was like I was like, wow, 1:51:36.200 --> 1:51:38.800 that's nice. We can pretty much do anything we want. 1:51:38.880 --> 1:51:43.720 You can get in put blocking in, so yeah, yep. 1:51:43.840 --> 1:51:46.080 And he gave me all the dimensions for the it's 1:51:46.400 --> 1:51:49.439 like a triangle shaped piece between two rooms and so 1:51:49.520 --> 1:51:52.519 that we have twenty ft lay that thing out with 1:51:52.560 --> 1:51:55.559 all the habitat and junipers. And because you'll see like 1:51:55.680 --> 1:51:59.600 mountain lions curled up in a corner like that, I 1:51:59.640 --> 1:52:01.759 do like that. Yeah, I'd like to do that someday 1:52:01.800 --> 1:52:03.800 if I had a high spot, like a mountain lion 1:52:03.880 --> 1:52:08.120 laying up there there, like perched up on a log 1:52:08.240 --> 1:52:10.600 or something. Looking you guys to know what the balcony 1:52:10.680 --> 1:52:14.559 rail represents on that whitetail. Right, let's jump on offense 1:52:14.760 --> 1:52:25.160 the neighbor. That's an important that you'll notice that he's 1:52:25.240 --> 1:52:30.120 hitting the back end. Almost got out of the neighbor's place. 1:52:31.400 --> 1:52:34.040 Here's a question that we used to get all the time, 1:52:34.560 --> 1:52:41.960 was um, velvet, velvet bucks, what's your recommendation there. It's 1:52:42.000 --> 1:52:45.559 like how it's going to turn out really is affected 1:52:45.560 --> 1:52:49.960 by what phase the velvet growth is in. If it's 1:52:50.160 --> 1:52:52.000 super early, where the horns like you know, you can 1:52:52.040 --> 1:52:54.720 shake him in the horns are still rubbery, that's a 1:52:54.760 --> 1:52:58.080 really difficult one to stabilize. In the middle where it's 1:52:58.120 --> 1:53:01.000 still alive, but you're getting good set up. That's one 1:53:01.040 --> 1:53:02.759 of your prime ones to be able to like embalm 1:53:02.800 --> 1:53:05.120 the actual velvet um and then at a certain point 1:53:05.120 --> 1:53:06.880 it's just fallen off. You know, when it gets where 1:53:06.920 --> 1:53:10.000 you just grab in your hands bloody. That's late. That's 1:53:10.360 --> 1:53:14.040 not early. I'm thinking about caribe, like you grab in 1:53:14.040 --> 1:53:16.320 your hand, this is like soaked with blood. That's early. 1:53:16.760 --> 1:53:18.880 Wherein the antler is still soft. I guess it makes 1:53:18.880 --> 1:53:21.760 sense because still full blogs it's growing. That's a dumb 1:53:21.880 --> 1:53:26.360 question forgive a lot a lot of a lot of times, though, uh, 1:53:26.880 --> 1:53:30.760 you can just have it stripped and artificial put back on, right, 1:53:31.040 --> 1:53:33.679 And and that was always the question, is like should 1:53:33.680 --> 1:53:38.360 we scrape all this off like in the field scraped off? Right? Yeah? Don't. Yeah, 1:53:38.520 --> 1:53:41.080 if you're gonna revelvet it, just leave it as is 1:53:41.160 --> 1:53:42.840 and then when it gets in on either just power 1:53:42.920 --> 1:53:45.479 wash it off or peel it and then take it 1:53:45.520 --> 1:53:48.000 in and just have it actually revelveted. And can you 1:53:48.160 --> 1:53:52.000 can you preserve the actual velvet when it's in that 1:53:52.560 --> 1:53:58.280 in the right stay you know, like yeah, kind of, 1:53:58.439 --> 1:54:00.240 but you always run the risk of like, you know, 1:54:00.360 --> 1:54:03.160 not quite getting it and then so that it still 1:54:03.320 --> 1:54:06.400 has proteins left in it, which would promote bug life. 1:54:06.560 --> 1:54:08.760 I wanted to make my wife braw lined with that 1:54:08.920 --> 1:54:12.960 antler belt off, but it was like, you don't know 1:54:13.040 --> 1:54:18.320 the first thing about what people want in a bracause 1:54:18.320 --> 1:54:20.920 I was like, how about a muskrat line bra. She's like, no, no, 1:54:21.120 --> 1:54:25.559 you don't want a muskrat line, Bra. It's not it's 1:54:25.600 --> 1:54:29.880 not what's going on there when you wear bra. What 1:54:29.960 --> 1:54:33.760 about a like a cactus buck that you kill in 1:54:34.200 --> 1:54:37.600 October November. That's still full velvet. If it was how 1:54:37.640 --> 1:54:40.160 you guys doing those? Like if it's something really unique 1:54:40.200 --> 1:54:42.040 like a cactus buck said it didn't have a freeze, 1:54:42.080 --> 1:54:46.120 dried the whole thing. My fiance shot a couple of 1:54:46.160 --> 1:54:48.600 years ago and got it done. I didn't know how 1:54:48.640 --> 1:54:51.560 they did it, but it's yeah, it's still They don't 1:54:51.560 --> 1:54:53.800 think they stripped it or anything. Yeah, if you you 1:54:53.800 --> 1:54:55.839 can have them freeze dride and they'll be perfectly stable. 1:54:56.600 --> 1:54:58.879 How the hell do you have a spirit of sturgeon 1:54:58.920 --> 1:55:03.800 spearing hoodie? This? Someone sent these into Hayden, and Hayden 1:55:04.920 --> 1:55:13.200 gave me this one fish hoodie talked to Hayden about 1:55:13.280 --> 1:55:16.120 sturgeon spearing hoodie. Ye, Hayden never had a spear in 1:55:16.160 --> 1:55:22.680 his life. Never. I've never even rolla never get a 1:55:22.720 --> 1:55:28.880 complimentary fishing. Steve doesn't like when you have cool ship 1:55:28.920 --> 1:55:32.920 that he doesn't have saw it Like I checked the 1:55:32.960 --> 1:55:36.440 free table. This didn't go on a free table. No, 1:55:36.520 --> 1:55:41.760 I must have went directs. I've never spared spear sturgeon 1:55:41.880 --> 1:55:44.400 or have gone sturdon experience a bit of a poser, 1:55:44.440 --> 1:55:47.720 but I just liked sweatshirt. I thought about the poser angle. 1:55:48.000 --> 1:55:54.200 I just like he's got chains on everything. A little shanty. Um. Okay, 1:55:54.240 --> 1:55:57.000 back to our hypothetical deer. You're soaking what water? Yep, 1:55:57.080 --> 1:56:00.760 I just do room temperature water and then you go 1:56:00.840 --> 1:56:03.560 on into your handy andy cattle catalog there, so you 1:56:03.600 --> 1:56:07.680 would uh, you've already established what pose they want, and 1:56:07.760 --> 1:56:10.680 then you just soak it up and then you stretch it. 1:56:11.320 --> 1:56:14.640 And part part of the learning curve when you stretch 1:56:14.680 --> 1:56:17.720 it over the form. Now you stretch it on the 1:56:17.760 --> 1:56:21.320 bench and then you order the form that fits those measurements. 1:56:22.080 --> 1:56:23.560 So this is this is a form that I use 1:56:24.160 --> 1:56:29.320 very frequently. So by measurements are like and then you 1:56:29.400 --> 1:56:33.320 have three points on the neck. Yeah, you order six 1:56:33.440 --> 1:56:39.920 nine dash seven to one L. That's not like secret sauces, 1:56:39.960 --> 1:56:43.080 and that's not like that expensive. Okay, those are quite 1:56:43.080 --> 1:56:47.680 reasonable compared to buy an elephant. How much is it? 1:56:49.680 --> 1:56:54.680 But I imagine, like if you could lay out the 1:56:54.680 --> 1:56:57.360 the conversation you would like to have with everybody who 1:56:57.360 --> 1:57:01.520 walks in the door, right, because I imagine there's a 1:57:01.560 --> 1:57:03.520 lot of like, hey, I want this mountain, and you're like, 1:57:03.560 --> 1:57:08.200 well you're in the right spot, but yeah, trying to 1:57:08.200 --> 1:57:10.400 talk him off the ledge sometimes where you're like, okay, 1:57:10.440 --> 1:57:12.400 so this is what we can do. This is the 1:57:12.440 --> 1:57:14.000 way we need to go about do anything like that. 1:57:14.080 --> 1:57:16.800 I mean, yeah, and be like and and these are 1:57:16.800 --> 1:57:19.040 like the price ranges that you're gonna come in too 1:57:19.120 --> 1:57:21.760 if you just want something that that is your dear 1:57:22.520 --> 1:57:25.200 looking back to you. But you're not you're not going 1:57:25.240 --> 1:57:27.880 for the jumping white tail with the mountain lion. Yeah, 1:57:28.000 --> 1:57:31.720 that price range. Yeah, we're There's not a lot of 1:57:32.120 --> 1:57:35.680 like sliding scale on anything we do. It's pretty pretty set. 1:57:36.160 --> 1:57:39.480 The only time there's any like additional charges, Like you 1:57:39.480 --> 1:57:42.720 have a traditional shoulder mountain, but if they want habitat 1:57:42.800 --> 1:57:45.400 on it, then you have to pay for the habitat 1:57:45.440 --> 1:57:47.400 to go with it. But you're still basically just you're 1:57:47.400 --> 1:57:49.920 buying accessories at that point. You still have a base 1:57:49.920 --> 1:57:52.120 price of what your dear head costs. Ball park me 1:57:52.480 --> 1:57:58.040 a like a nice job on a standard white tail 1:57:58.160 --> 1:58:02.880 shoulder mountain. Yeah, so you don't you don't do a 1:58:02.920 --> 1:58:07.200 lot of haggling that gather. No, okay, how do you 1:58:07.240 --> 1:58:13.080 handle this? Every single taxidermy studio, any time you go 1:58:13.120 --> 1:58:16.320 in there, there's somebody bullshitting with somebody who obviously needs 1:58:16.360 --> 1:58:18.880 to be how do you handle them and they want 1:58:18.880 --> 1:58:22.080 to drop it off? Yeah, it's it's very difficult to 1:58:22.880 --> 1:58:25.800 handle that because you can't be like, you know, dude, 1:58:26.120 --> 1:58:28.440 it's time for you to go, because you know they're 1:58:28.480 --> 1:58:30.680 more likely a client. You can tell them, all right, 1:58:31.160 --> 1:58:34.560 your thing's gonna rot start, uh, you know. Just the 1:58:34.640 --> 1:58:37.840 secret is just to keep working and eventually a lot 1:58:37.880 --> 1:58:39.600 of times they're like, well, you know, I probably probably 1:58:39.640 --> 1:58:44.960 should let you go. That's the approach to, Yeah, just 1:58:45.560 --> 1:58:47.720 keep going. Do you get people trying to work you 1:58:47.840 --> 1:58:50.280 like if they bring in, you know, a little danker 1:58:50.320 --> 1:58:52.560 buck that their kids shot, and they're like, well it's smaller, 1:58:52.680 --> 1:58:58.760 you know, can you yeah? Yeah, all right, Yeah, it's 1:58:58.800 --> 1:59:01.160 the only working around the big old antler because he 1:59:01.240 --> 1:59:05.240 got in the standard. Right, this is only half the 1:59:05.240 --> 1:59:08.040 buck that that one was. Yeah, I know, there's it 1:59:08.080 --> 1:59:11.520 seems like it doesn't a job opportunity for like the 1:59:11.600 --> 1:59:16.160 old retired fish cop or somebody who just wants to 1:59:16.200 --> 1:59:19.040 have those conversations all day, right, right, and you put 1:59:19.080 --> 1:59:23.680 them up in front like a Walmart greater, where'd you 1:59:23.680 --> 1:59:27.080 get that? You like, you're a guy to bullshit up 1:59:27.120 --> 1:59:29.200 front like a caged off air. They could look at us, 1:59:29.240 --> 1:59:32.000 but they couldn't actually get to us. And then you 1:59:32.120 --> 1:59:33.800 hire an old feller to sit out there and be 1:59:33.840 --> 1:59:35.640 like you like talk there but run into but they 1:59:35.680 --> 1:59:39.520 can knock out the paperwork. Yeah yeah right, you know, yeah, 1:59:39.520 --> 1:59:41.360 you know how you talked everybody the grocery store come 1:59:41.400 --> 1:59:45.440 down to do it. Speaking of speaking of fishing game cops, 1:59:45.480 --> 1:59:47.720 how often are they popping in and out of your place? 1:59:47.960 --> 1:59:51.040 Oh man, I was going down that same path. Go 1:59:51.040 --> 1:59:54.640 go ahead, like uh sorry, no, no, right now. When 1:59:54.640 --> 1:59:58.160 COVID happened, trying to get all the bears tagged, and 1:59:58.160 --> 2:00:00.000 then like wolves tag you know, any of the first 2:00:00.040 --> 2:00:01.960 bears where you actually have to have that seal put 2:00:01.960 --> 2:00:05.800 in there, they had closed down like the public coming 2:00:05.840 --> 2:00:12.360 into like normal tagging areas there was. They waved it 2:00:12.440 --> 2:00:14.680 the first year and then last year they did it 2:00:14.720 --> 2:00:18.720 where we did a transfer possession for him, so like 2:00:19.040 --> 2:00:21.600 you would shoot a bear and bring it to my shop, 2:00:21.800 --> 2:00:23.720 and then we would fill out the paperwork like where 2:00:23.720 --> 2:00:26.160 you harvested it, when you harvested it in your courtings, 2:00:26.240 --> 2:00:28.400 you know a lot long um. Then we'd signed a 2:00:28.400 --> 2:00:31.240 couple of pieces of paper and then you leave and 2:00:31.320 --> 2:00:34.040 I would have present that that was my possession. So 2:00:34.120 --> 2:00:37.520 then the fishing game, they were coming every two to 2:00:37.760 --> 2:00:39.720 three days to my shop. Well, so you could call 2:00:39.800 --> 2:00:41.720 them and be like, yeah, I got a whole bull 2:00:41.840 --> 2:00:44.160 at a bulk deal for you. Yeah, so I try 2:00:44.200 --> 2:00:46.720 to accumulate a stack of them, because it took a while, 2:00:46.800 --> 2:00:48.240 you know, because then they have to go through all 2:00:48.280 --> 2:00:50.720 my paperwork and then register the state seal to it, 2:00:50.800 --> 2:00:52.800 and then I have to register that into my paper 2:00:52.840 --> 2:00:54.840 and they're pulling the tooth at your place. I ended 2:00:54.920 --> 2:00:57.600 up we They finally gave us the tooth puller, the 2:00:58.040 --> 2:01:01.720 elevator tool, because you can aunt pull a tooth when 2:01:01.720 --> 2:01:06.240 it's frozen, and I can't stacks of rotting heads laying around. 2:01:06.320 --> 2:01:08.240 So we just would pull the tooth and put it 2:01:08.240 --> 2:01:10.000 in the envelope and write their a LS number and 2:01:10.160 --> 2:01:12.200 with sex of it, then put it in their paperwork, 2:01:12.200 --> 2:01:14.320 and then they'd come and just grab everything and go. 2:01:14.840 --> 2:01:18.240 Have you had have you had situations where something didn't 2:01:18.240 --> 2:01:20.680 smell right? And see that's the question. I was dying 2:01:20.880 --> 2:01:26.840 like somebody somebody trying to forgot. Yeah. Guy walks and 2:01:26.840 --> 2:01:29.240 he's like, I want to get this eagle mounted. Oh 2:01:29.680 --> 2:01:32.880 I'm not I was going more like some big buck 2:01:32.920 --> 2:01:36.280 and you're like, man, something, just sayesn't I've turned I've 2:01:36.280 --> 2:01:40.960 turned people in that I know absolutely. I mean it's 2:01:41.400 --> 2:01:44.200 if if I was in Cahous at all, the state 2:01:44.320 --> 2:01:47.720 is who provides my business license, and that's go on. 2:01:47.880 --> 2:01:50.240 So you can't. You can't be like body, you better 2:01:50.280 --> 2:01:52.440 just go on your own way. You gotta be like, 2:01:52.440 --> 2:01:54.880 now you've made it my problem. Yeah. If if it 2:01:54.880 --> 2:01:57.360 comes to the shop and I know that you're like 2:01:57.640 --> 2:02:00.880 intentionally doing that, it's your problem. Seth and I were 2:02:00.920 --> 2:02:03.320 in that's gotta be I don't want to say awkward, 2:02:03.320 --> 2:02:07.120 but that's gonna be awkward. Issh like, you know, honestly 2:02:07.160 --> 2:02:09.360 most of the time, and they don't do that. People 2:02:09.440 --> 2:02:12.520 don't do that ship. It's not as common as one might. Yeah, 2:02:12.600 --> 2:02:14.600 I guess yeah, I've only ever seen it a couple 2:02:14.600 --> 2:02:16.640 of times where I like, you just absolutely know that 2:02:16.680 --> 2:02:20.440 they poasted that thing. You're like, m so, then well 2:02:20.720 --> 2:02:22.600 I got a for instance, right, Seth and I were 2:02:22.640 --> 2:02:27.480 in this cafe truck stop Baits store in Kansas Place. 2:02:27.560 --> 2:02:31.640 Was awesome opening day a deer season. We got done 2:02:31.800 --> 2:02:35.440 duck hunting. It's probably like ten thirty in the morning, 2:02:36.440 --> 2:02:39.680 and you can also get licenses and tags there right, 2:02:39.720 --> 2:02:45.040 You're talking about that certain spearing poser next to you. Yeah, 2:02:45.280 --> 2:02:48.640 we're sitting there having breakfast, talking about our next move. 2:02:48.880 --> 2:02:51.840 And I just can't help but notice. The oddest thing, 2:02:52.320 --> 2:02:55.000 if you've ever been in the hunting and angling community, 2:02:55.880 --> 2:03:02.480 was every person in line getting a deer tag in 2:03:02.520 --> 2:03:09.920 the morning. Am. It was female. And I was just 2:03:10.000 --> 2:03:15.280 like that or something about that, you know. And then 2:03:15.520 --> 2:03:17.560 and then you hear the questions like now, what do 2:03:17.600 --> 2:03:20.880 you need and you're like, well, I just like the 2:03:21.440 --> 2:03:27.280 what do you need to deer something? For an extra 2:03:27.320 --> 2:03:31.320 buck that's laying on a property. Man. Our mom I 2:03:31.320 --> 2:03:33.800 shouldn't say, because she's still alive and I'm still alive. Yeah, 2:03:33.800 --> 2:03:36.160 our mom had a few deer tags. It was just 2:03:36.200 --> 2:03:39.000 like we didn't even know. It was just so when 2:03:39.040 --> 2:03:42.560 I was little, it was like you would it was 2:03:42.760 --> 2:03:44.920 so not hidden. It's like you would go to show 2:03:44.960 --> 2:03:50.520 and tell at school and be like, my mom tagged it. 2:03:50.520 --> 2:03:53.280 It was just like it wasn't even if you didn't 2:03:53.280 --> 2:03:56.960 give me like a polygraph or something about breaking the rule, 2:03:57.080 --> 2:03:59.520 Like my heart rate wouldn't have gone up because I 2:03:59.520 --> 2:04:01.200 wouldn't have know. I didn't know you weren't supposed to 2:04:01.200 --> 2:04:03.920 do it? Like did you? In fact, I'd be like, 2:04:03.960 --> 2:04:06.800 I don't know, because I would have known. I wouldn't 2:04:06.800 --> 2:04:08.320 have known them to be nervous, right, you know, I 2:04:08.360 --> 2:04:14.480 know it needed a tag my mother. Anyway, in a 2:04:14.560 --> 2:04:17.760 very circular fashion, I could see how situations like that 2:04:17.840 --> 2:04:21.440 could come back to you, where it's like, here's the 2:04:21.440 --> 2:04:24.680 tag that goes with the rack, and then eventually somebody 2:04:24.680 --> 2:04:27.920 comes in and says, hey, did somebody turn in the rack? 2:04:28.040 --> 2:04:32.120 And what was their name? So, like, I've always been fortunate. 2:04:32.160 --> 2:04:34.960 We maintain a good rapport with our wardens um and 2:04:35.080 --> 2:04:38.280 we've had quite a few wardens circulate through our area 2:04:38.320 --> 2:04:39.920 because we were right in the corner there, so we 2:04:39.960 --> 2:04:41.920 have like three up to three wardens that come through, 2:04:42.600 --> 2:04:46.280 and all we've been very fortunate, very very nice, very 2:04:46.280 --> 2:04:49.800 professional wardens. And if they call call me up and 2:04:49.880 --> 2:04:51.920 ask me, you know, hey, you did so and so 2:04:52.040 --> 2:04:54.000 bring something in and having I'm like, yeah, it's in 2:04:54.040 --> 2:04:57.880 the shop. Oh yeah, could we come get it? Yeah, 2:04:58.080 --> 2:05:00.400 in the shop. Have you ever had any sort of 2:05:00.440 --> 2:05:03.320 strange things where everything looked up to speed but then 2:05:04.120 --> 2:05:06.400 some other guys in there, and he's like, where'd this 2:05:06.440 --> 2:05:09.360 buck come from? No, I haven't had the Hey wait 2:05:09.400 --> 2:05:11.880 a second, that came off my property yet that kind 2:05:11.920 --> 2:05:14.760 of stuff like never any kind of crazy stuff like 2:05:14.800 --> 2:05:17.680 that a lot. I mean, it'd be hard to like 2:05:17.760 --> 2:05:20.120 have much visual time with the deer where we live. 2:05:20.200 --> 2:05:23.080 They're always in the timber. So a couple of trail 2:05:23.120 --> 2:05:25.960 camp pictures floating around, I know, did you hear that 2:05:26.000 --> 2:05:30.560 crazy story? Um, someone actually got prosecuted off this and 2:05:30.600 --> 2:05:33.839 we talked about it, but it was it occurred between 2:05:33.880 --> 2:05:36.520 Tennessee and Kentucky, and I can't remember which direction it went. 2:05:37.880 --> 2:05:41.040 But there's like a Big Buck road show, right, and 2:05:41.080 --> 2:05:43.120 there's a buck there that was the state record of 2:05:43.160 --> 2:05:45.240 wherever the hell the state record or some it was 2:05:45.480 --> 2:05:47.800 honored by the state of Kentucky is being some such thing. 2:05:48.840 --> 2:05:50.280 And a guy it happens to be at the Big 2:05:50.280 --> 2:05:53.240 Buck show and he's like, that book was not killed 2:05:53.280 --> 2:05:57.160 in Kentucky. I have trail camp pictures of that book 2:05:58.080 --> 2:06:00.920 a couple hundred miles into Tennessee and I'd get it 2:06:00.960 --> 2:06:02.760 every day and then it vanished and that buck was 2:06:02.800 --> 2:06:05.360 not killed in the state. And the guy was prosecuted 2:06:05.720 --> 2:06:09.280 over it for receiving all the like award money or 2:06:09.560 --> 2:06:12.680 he even had that. He even had the what's the 2:06:12.680 --> 2:06:16.840 commedy move across state lines O Lacy act? And this guy, 2:06:16.880 --> 2:06:18.920 I mean, it was such an unusual buck and this 2:06:18.960 --> 2:06:21.960 guy is like, nope, it's on my place. There he 2:06:22.040 --> 2:06:23.760 is there, he is there, he is there, he is 2:06:23.920 --> 2:06:27.440 is the last we ever saw him. He gets some 2:06:27.520 --> 2:06:31.640 guy moved him, shot him and tagged them from another 2:06:31.680 --> 2:06:36.560 state and moved him over and started praying them around. Wow. Yeah, yeah, 2:06:36.600 --> 2:06:38.240 it was. It was covered and it was covered the 2:06:38.280 --> 2:06:39.640 press of it, you know, That's all I was kind 2:06:39.640 --> 2:06:41.760 of think about that. If you've ever been involved in 2:06:41.760 --> 2:06:44.480 any stories like that, No, nothing, nothing quite that exciting. 2:06:45.040 --> 2:06:46.800 A friend of mine was a l e O up 2:06:46.840 --> 2:06:49.280 in that neck of the woods a long long time ago, 2:06:49.360 --> 2:06:52.560 and and he's like he because of what you said, right, 2:06:52.600 --> 2:06:57.400 it's like big dark, timber country. He would volunteer for 2:06:57.680 --> 2:07:02.400 every game check station as he's like, you just never 2:07:02.520 --> 2:07:04.560 knew what was going to come out of the woods, 2:07:04.560 --> 2:07:09.960 like crazy white tails, you know, crazy mule deer um. 2:07:10.000 --> 2:07:12.640 And because you're not in country where you're like seeing 2:07:12.680 --> 2:07:15.440 this stuff, right, they're not getting profiled by a bunch 2:07:15.480 --> 2:07:18.040 of people. Yeah. I was in a taxi during the 2:07:18.080 --> 2:07:21.080 studio one time after e h D came through real 2:07:21.160 --> 2:07:24.200 bad in the September, and holy ship the bucks down there, man, 2:07:24.360 --> 2:07:27.120 because people just bringing them in. It was like bucks. 2:07:27.120 --> 2:07:30.720 You did not know existence he was bringing in deadheads, 2:07:30.800 --> 2:07:32.520 dead heads. Get him cleaned up and stuff, you know, 2:07:32.560 --> 2:07:36.240 but just incredible bucks man. And he's like, I don't know, 2:07:36.320 --> 2:07:38.160 during hunting season, they don't come in, but then here 2:07:38.200 --> 2:07:43.480 they all are because it's like August like there they are, 2:07:43.720 --> 2:07:45.360 like all the ones that no one's probably gonna look 2:07:45.400 --> 2:07:48.680 at during hunting season. Yeah, go nocturnal, stay stay out 2:07:48.680 --> 2:07:53.200 of the view. Uh. So back to our our deer. 2:07:53.800 --> 2:07:56.920 You stretch it and measure it. Then you order up 2:07:56.920 --> 2:07:59.000 your form. Put the hide in the freezer till the 2:07:59.040 --> 2:08:02.640 form arrives, and then the form comes in. Then we 2:08:02.680 --> 2:08:04.640 take the hide out of the freezer and thought out 2:08:05.120 --> 2:08:08.200 and then we can start mounting and you like drape 2:08:08.200 --> 2:08:11.040 it over it and I see, I said, come down. 2:08:11.400 --> 2:08:14.480 Sometimes catch you guys like mid stride and he's all 2:08:14.560 --> 2:08:19.280 pinned and ends holding the eyes and get all your 2:08:19.280 --> 2:08:22.960 adhesive on there. And depending on how they how you 2:08:23.000 --> 2:08:24.560 prefer to do your ears, whether you do like a 2:08:24.560 --> 2:08:27.760 bond o, your cartlete replacement, your liner. Um, get all 2:08:27.760 --> 2:08:30.160 that done, get all your eyes set on the form. 2:08:30.280 --> 2:08:33.360 If you're doing a change out nose or putting septums 2:08:33.360 --> 2:08:36.360 into the existing form, get all that done ahead of time. 2:08:36.680 --> 2:08:40.280 Um short wine in decision. There's no stitching on the back, 2:08:40.800 --> 2:08:43.400 so you set your antlers and then you take them 2:08:43.400 --> 2:08:45.640 out and have a clay clay edge around it. Then 2:08:45.680 --> 2:08:47.880 you pull the cape on and then just have just 2:08:47.920 --> 2:08:49.920 that ye incision open up on the top to take 2:08:49.960 --> 2:08:52.640 the antlers out and put it back on it, and 2:08:52.680 --> 2:08:54.360 you just have that small white and sew back up 2:08:54.720 --> 2:08:58.080 and you're sewing it by hand the needle and thread. 2:08:59.240 --> 2:09:02.480 Once he started on that, is it like once you start, 2:09:02.560 --> 2:09:05.480 you gotta finish it? Or can you walk away from once? 2:09:05.800 --> 2:09:08.160 When I start doing any amount, you're pretty much there 2:09:08.240 --> 2:09:11.120 until you're done. But how do you do how do 2:09:11.120 --> 2:09:15.960 you do the last stitch for like the tie off? Yeah, 2:09:16.000 --> 2:09:19.160 but like you don't see it? Well, do you take 2:09:19.200 --> 2:09:21.200 it back off and do the last stitch then pull 2:09:21.240 --> 2:09:23.720 it back on it again? No? Usually, like I do 2:09:23.760 --> 2:09:27.440 a full dorsal cut, so it's usually tight um. There's 2:09:27.480 --> 2:09:29.720 no taking it off once back on, you'd have to, 2:09:29.960 --> 2:09:31.640 but you still have to when it's all done, you 2:09:31.680 --> 2:09:34.520 still have some stitch you gotta make. It's uh so 2:09:34.760 --> 2:09:37.400 you're on like a shoulder mount. Your stitch dead ends 2:09:37.400 --> 2:09:40.000 over the back and is stapled onto the form, so 2:09:40.040 --> 2:09:41.600 when it's on the wall, you can't ever see the 2:09:41.680 --> 2:09:46.520 left stitch where it ends. I got you. You'll have 2:09:47.200 --> 2:09:51.560 one that you'll bring over from the first antler base there, 2:09:52.000 --> 2:09:54.280 and then the next one. You can just catch that 2:09:54.320 --> 2:09:55.960 one and then go back down, so you don't have 2:09:55.960 --> 2:09:57.800 a knot with a piece sticking up at the top, 2:09:57.880 --> 2:10:01.840 but you are sewing it on the form. YEP. I 2:10:01.920 --> 2:10:04.400 still understand how you could get like I want to 2:10:04.400 --> 2:10:06.240 see because I don't get how the hair lay back 2:10:06.280 --> 2:10:10.480 so nice. So like in the early days, you know, 2:10:10.720 --> 2:10:12.600 you got it on there and you sewed it on 2:10:12.680 --> 2:10:15.240 and brushed it all out and let it dry. And 2:10:15.680 --> 2:10:17.680 that was what we did. I mean, that was what 2:10:17.760 --> 2:10:19.480 we That was the standard. That was how you did it. 2:10:20.040 --> 2:10:22.560 And then I had an opportunity to have a guy 2:10:22.600 --> 2:10:25.600 that was actually he took He took a blue ribbon 2:10:25.720 --> 2:10:28.680 first place in the world show in the Master's division 2:10:28.680 --> 2:10:30.880 for white tail text for me, and which is a 2:10:30.960 --> 2:10:34.600 really hard division. I mean, everybody does white tails for 2:10:34.640 --> 2:10:37.160 the for the most part around the country, and there's 2:10:37.200 --> 2:10:38.640 a lot of guys that are really good at it. 2:10:39.200 --> 2:10:42.600 Where where is he from? Scott Brewer, He's in Washington 2:10:42.760 --> 2:10:47.400 right now, and so Scott, he is working for another 2:10:47.480 --> 2:10:51.520 artist in town. And in your town. There's there we 2:10:51.560 --> 2:10:54.720 have at one time when we had Scott and Phil 2:10:55.120 --> 2:10:57.160 and Daniel May was in town. All three of those 2:10:57.160 --> 2:11:00.400 guys have taken best in the world. You all get 2:11:00.400 --> 2:11:02.640 big fights at the bar. You know, there has been 2:11:02.680 --> 2:11:07.640 a lot of like historical bickering and pissing matches. But 2:11:07.720 --> 2:11:10.120 there was fourteen taxidermis and Liby at one time when 2:11:10.160 --> 2:11:13.640 I was a kid, and then there and like there's 2:11:13.720 --> 2:11:16.880 some really high end talent that is still there. There's 2:11:16.880 --> 2:11:21.280 some talent laden town. Small town of small town. A 2:11:21.840 --> 2:11:27.720 lot of tax and spat come from like you stole 2:11:27.760 --> 2:11:30.960 my technique or most of the time with those guys 2:11:31.000 --> 2:11:33.080 was like you stole my client. You know, I had 2:11:33.120 --> 2:11:35.600 done a deer for him and now he's at your place. 2:11:35.680 --> 2:11:40.600 You you've cool wurst him somehow or some ship like that. Yeah, right, 2:11:40.640 --> 2:11:43.520 there there there was a lot of a lot of 2:11:43.520 --> 2:11:46.080 bickering amongst a lot of the tax Germans in town 2:11:46.360 --> 2:11:50.120 for years. But so if Scott ends up in town 2:11:50.520 --> 2:11:53.920 and I'm trying to make connection with Scott, I wanted 2:11:54.000 --> 2:11:56.440 him to come out and look at my work that 2:11:56.840 --> 2:11:59.720 you know plateau. I really thought I had a pretty 2:11:59.720 --> 2:12:02.080 good rip on. You know, I've done by that point, 2:12:02.120 --> 2:12:04.000 I've probably done, you know, a few thousand deer heads. 2:12:04.320 --> 2:12:08.560 She should be fairly skilled at that point. So Scott's 2:12:08.560 --> 2:12:11.560 a certified judge for World on white Tail, and so 2:12:11.600 --> 2:12:13.880 they can't really get a much better critic than that. 2:12:14.720 --> 2:12:17.440 So I finally made him and I was like, would 2:12:17.480 --> 2:12:19.320 you come out and look at a deer head if 2:12:19.320 --> 2:12:22.160 I do one? And He's like okay, So I was 2:12:22.200 --> 2:12:25.320 like cool, So I do the absolute best white tail. 2:12:25.360 --> 2:12:27.800 It was like the cape was perfect. It was like pristine, 2:12:28.040 --> 2:12:30.320 good hair, length, good color. It was a nice buck 2:12:30.360 --> 2:12:31.680 you know. I was like, I was like, oh man, 2:12:31.840 --> 2:12:35.600 that's great. And so Scott is. He's a huge guy too. 2:12:35.680 --> 2:12:37.640 Like when I first met Scott, it was wasn't at 2:12:37.680 --> 2:12:40.280 all what I was expecting. Scott's like six three two 2:12:40.520 --> 2:12:43.520 d and fifty pounds. He was a Navy seal instructor. 2:12:43.600 --> 2:12:48.040 So he's intimidating, large guy, his hands just huge guy, 2:12:48.760 --> 2:12:51.360 very delicate touch. It's really amazing to watch him. Those 2:12:51.400 --> 2:12:54.960 giant myths and a little teeny breast, you know. So 2:12:55.840 --> 2:12:58.080 talk Scott into coming out to the shop and I've 2:12:58.160 --> 2:12:59.720 got it set up. You know, everything's cleaned out of 2:12:59.720 --> 2:13:01.920 the way, and the deer's on the mounting stand straight 2:13:02.000 --> 2:13:04.080 up right when you open the doors, like lights on 2:13:04.160 --> 2:13:07.000 it look good. Scott opens the door and he's like, 2:13:09.000 --> 2:13:10.960 is that the deer? And I was like, that's the 2:13:11.000 --> 2:13:17.640 deer and he's like that sucks. I was like really. 2:13:18.040 --> 2:13:20.000 I was like, do you need to get any closer 2:13:20.040 --> 2:13:22.640 to it? And he's like no, I can tell it 2:13:22.680 --> 2:13:25.720 sucks from here and it's like twenty ft away. Like 2:13:26.000 --> 2:13:28.160 I'm like wow. I was like, that is not at 2:13:28.200 --> 2:13:30.080 all what I was expected. I said. I was thinking, 2:13:30.120 --> 2:13:32.040 like you give me a gold star or something. He's like, 2:13:32.080 --> 2:13:34.080 here a long ways away from gold stars. What did 2:13:34.080 --> 2:13:36.280 you like about it? Which that was the thing, right, 2:13:36.320 --> 2:13:38.720 Like I had no idea what was wrong with it? Like, 2:13:38.760 --> 2:13:41.840 I had no idea. So when I finally time, like 2:13:41.920 --> 2:13:43.480 would you tell me what's wrong with it, and he's like, 2:13:43.520 --> 2:13:45.880 are you gonna get like all, well, I like doing 2:13:45.880 --> 2:13:47.240 it like that or that's the way I think it 2:13:47.280 --> 2:13:48.840 should look. And I was like no, I said I 2:13:49.280 --> 2:13:50.720 would really like to know. And he's like, if you 2:13:50.920 --> 2:13:53.520 really want to know, i'll help you. So he came 2:13:53.520 --> 2:13:56.000 out and worked with me for a few months, and uh, 2:13:56.200 --> 2:13:58.640 like the direction of hair, the way the hair grows 2:13:58.680 --> 2:14:00.280 like you look at a picture of a live deer, 2:14:00.360 --> 2:14:03.360 the way it grows around instead of just slicked back, 2:14:04.000 --> 2:14:08.680 the cow licks, your eyelash alignment, how big your bottom 2:14:08.680 --> 2:14:11.320 lip exposure is to the with your nose padman like 2:14:11.600 --> 2:14:14.240 a lot. How long your earbud is if your ears 2:14:14.280 --> 2:14:17.000 back is it actually rolled in the right position? You know, 2:14:17.080 --> 2:14:20.480 the anatomy of it. I had no idea about that. 2:14:20.600 --> 2:14:23.080 And that's what gives the good ones like that looks. 2:14:24.280 --> 2:14:26.720 You don't have to know why it looks like, what 2:14:26.880 --> 2:14:28.520 made it look like that? But you can look at 2:14:28.520 --> 2:14:30.840 the two anybody can and be like, wow, that's clean, 2:14:30.880 --> 2:14:33.120 it looks nice. It looks like a deer. Yeah, when 2:14:33.120 --> 2:14:35.840 I shot him, he didn't have newspaper coming out, right, 2:14:36.760 --> 2:14:41.120 So just just getting the opportunity to have those guys 2:14:41.160 --> 2:14:43.840 that like that next level up or five levels up, 2:14:43.880 --> 2:14:46.800 wherever you happen to be, come in and actually help you. 2:14:46.920 --> 2:14:50.520 That's that's been the key for any anything that I do, well, 2:14:50.760 --> 2:14:53.840 had some really good and help over the years. How 2:14:53.840 --> 2:14:56.080 many deer you done at this point? I have no 2:14:56.200 --> 2:15:02.640 idea A lot thousands, how many bears passed through your hands? 2:15:05.760 --> 2:15:12.680 I wouldn't have a guess. Really, yeah, I mean I 2:15:12.720 --> 2:15:16.120 bet we skin close to a hundred a year, you know, 2:15:16.240 --> 2:15:21.320 I mean thousands of bears. So what what would given 2:15:21.360 --> 2:15:23.800 all that experience, like, what would be the thing that 2:15:24.880 --> 2:15:27.640 gets your your creativity flowing? Like? What do you get 2:15:27.640 --> 2:15:32.080 excited about at this point? The thing that probably makes 2:15:32.080 --> 2:15:33.840 me the most excited at this point is if it's 2:15:34.200 --> 2:15:38.040 a really good conditioned specimen, not necessarily the size of 2:15:38.080 --> 2:15:39.920 it anything, but if it was like just really good 2:15:39.960 --> 2:15:42.960 condition and somebody wants to do a unique piece with it, 2:15:44.000 --> 2:15:46.600 that's that's great. But I still, I mean, I still 2:15:46.600 --> 2:15:49.120 love doing just a game head with nobody else. They're 2:15:49.320 --> 2:15:52.880 nice and quiet, just sitting there by myself. Oh yeah, 2:15:53.040 --> 2:15:55.120 like I can have my little spot. Everybody works over 2:15:55.120 --> 2:15:59.120 there that I work over here, enjoy it, oh very much. Yeah, 2:15:59.160 --> 2:16:01.760 that's still still my face. It is actually hands on, 2:16:02.280 --> 2:16:04.920 get to do it. What was it like with wolves? 2:16:04.960 --> 2:16:07.720 We're all, you know, one minute, there's no wolf hunting, 2:16:08.240 --> 2:16:11.240 you know, and all sudden there's wolf hunting and you're 2:16:11.240 --> 2:16:13.360 in the thick of it, and and all of a sudden, 2:16:13.360 --> 2:16:17.520 like there's wolves coming in. Locally, I I had always 2:16:17.520 --> 2:16:20.040 been known for kyot hunting, like that was my favorite 2:16:20.040 --> 2:16:23.400 thing to most of the time its kyotes. So everybody 2:16:23.520 --> 2:16:26.000 known we did a lot of kyotes. People in Laska, 2:16:26.040 --> 2:16:27.920 the Coastguard guys, they ship as wolves and stuff. So 2:16:28.160 --> 2:16:30.640 I had a lot of cane though you're getting wolves 2:16:30.640 --> 2:16:34.520 of all the place. And then when the wolf hunting started, 2:16:34.800 --> 2:16:37.959 I could already see that we were gonna have it 2:16:38.000 --> 2:16:40.720 was gonna be another viable piece to bring into the business, 2:16:40.800 --> 2:16:42.000 you know. It wasn't just going to be like, well, 2:16:42.000 --> 2:16:45.520 we might do a wolf. So like how we do 2:16:45.560 --> 2:16:48.200 have our own sculptings for the coyote heads I made. 2:16:48.240 --> 2:16:50.840 I made my own head for a pillow or a 2:16:50.840 --> 2:16:52.600 life size gun and used it for either way. And 2:16:52.640 --> 2:16:55.240 then I made a rugshell for an open mouth, like 2:16:55.280 --> 2:16:58.760 the relaxed open mouth, not the snarl. And at the 2:16:58.800 --> 2:17:00.400 place I got a ko like that you did. I 2:17:00.440 --> 2:17:03.720 think at one time, if it was an open mouth wolf, 2:17:03.879 --> 2:17:05.800 back back when the season first came out, they were 2:17:05.800 --> 2:17:09.520 always like heavy snarls, like way heavy snarls. Um, and 2:17:09.600 --> 2:17:12.160 I just I never liked that look. So I just 2:17:12.200 --> 2:17:15.200 went for a passive open mouth. And then I just 2:17:15.280 --> 2:17:21.520 actually redid that mold. Just about October or so, um 2:17:21.520 --> 2:17:23.120 that came out with a new mouth cup for it, 2:17:23.120 --> 2:17:24.959 So I redid the mold to accept the new mouth 2:17:25.000 --> 2:17:27.640 cup and just that nice clean pass. I think I 2:17:27.879 --> 2:17:30.320 posted that one, I think on my Instagram. Tell people 2:17:30.360 --> 2:17:34.280 what your instagram is. Hayes tax d me h a 2:17:34.680 --> 2:17:39.160 y ees, Hayes tax d me Studio. Yeah, that's a 2:17:39.200 --> 2:17:42.480 good page. I like looking at that stuff. Man, it 2:17:42.600 --> 2:17:46.680 just comes so far. Yes, I think the discipline has 2:17:46.760 --> 2:17:50.800 come a long ways. And then like you're like, uh, 2:17:51.000 --> 2:17:55.000 like an exemplary practitioner of a thing that's already like 2:17:55.160 --> 2:18:00.119 just so far beyond what it used to be. The 2:18:00.120 --> 2:18:05.199 the part where people are not just wanting to just 2:18:05.200 --> 2:18:06.959 just have my head stuck on a wall. You know, 2:18:07.200 --> 2:18:10.440 it's it's my antlers, and yes, it's got I think 2:18:10.480 --> 2:18:12.200 it's cape on there. And that's good enough because I'm 2:18:12.200 --> 2:18:14.600 never going to look at anything below the antlers anyways. 2:18:15.160 --> 2:18:19.160 People want to see better work. They want their animal 2:18:19.240 --> 2:18:20.960 to look life like, They want them to be clean. 2:18:21.000 --> 2:18:23.120 They don't want it to smell. You know that was 2:18:24.000 --> 2:18:25.720 people that they're walking out the door and I don't 2:18:25.720 --> 2:18:27.680 want it to smell. I've had I've had so many 2:18:27.720 --> 2:18:30.280 mounts come in. People bring them in and they're like, hey, 2:18:30.360 --> 2:18:32.680 it's kind of old, it's funky, and you start opening 2:18:32.720 --> 2:18:35.360 them up to take them apart, and that there had 2:18:35.400 --> 2:18:38.600 been a healthy population of things living inside the mountains 2:18:38.640 --> 2:18:42.720 in their house for years until they completely consumed everything. 2:18:43.520 --> 2:18:46.520 Like I've had schools that I found and you wondered why. 2:18:46.520 --> 2:18:49.400 I was like a little cone of sawdust underneath them 2:18:49.400 --> 2:18:52.800 all the time here like something one of those beatles, 2:18:52.879 --> 2:18:55.560 or there was the working at it, or the little 2:18:55.560 --> 2:18:58.640 bit of hair people like, I'm noticing some hair on 2:18:58.680 --> 2:19:00.600 the coffee table below the deer head. Do you know 2:19:00.640 --> 2:19:05.440 what that would be from? Like something's eating it. It's 2:19:05.480 --> 2:19:09.560 like i'd get it out of there forward at first 2:19:09.600 --> 2:19:12.840 light when uh he drew his at a whole mountain 2:19:12.879 --> 2:19:16.680 goat like most you know, first time nonresident applicants do 2:19:16.720 --> 2:19:25.680 in Idaho, like all the other first Light employees. Draw Um. 2:19:25.720 --> 2:19:29.800 It took him long time because to go back and 2:19:29.840 --> 2:19:33.920 he's like, yes, it's most a smell like this it 2:19:34.120 --> 2:19:38.520 had like He's like, you kept taking it back. There 2:19:38.560 --> 2:19:42.000 was a smell, and I was like, man, you know, 2:19:43.240 --> 2:19:45.600 not supposed to like that, supposed to go inside your house. 2:19:48.080 --> 2:19:50.560 Goats and antelope. Those are two of the ones that 2:19:50.560 --> 2:19:53.600 I've seen come in where people are like, stinks and 2:19:53.840 --> 2:19:56.160 most of the time they didn't sweat the horn off. 2:19:57.320 --> 2:20:02.160 Oh that though, don't you check on that if oh, 2:20:02.200 --> 2:20:04.520 when they're dropping it off it smells. Yes, they're like 2:20:04.560 --> 2:20:07.080 they bring a mountain and they're like, this thing smells. 2:20:07.280 --> 2:20:08.760 One of them. They were like, we put it out 2:20:08.800 --> 2:20:10.760 in the shed for six months and it still stinks. 2:20:11.200 --> 2:20:14.360 And but not that you didn't stuff it. No, no, no, 2:20:14.520 --> 2:20:17.480 we take the horns because you make to that. Yeah, 2:20:18.560 --> 2:20:20.360 so I noticed, I want to use to check and 2:20:20.360 --> 2:20:23.920 see if that if they did a shitty job, that's yeah, 2:20:24.080 --> 2:20:25.760 if they did a shitty job, because they might have 2:20:25.760 --> 2:20:27.640 bondled it back on there. But like it's a bunch 2:20:27.680 --> 2:20:33.720 of goog up in there. Horned. Most your horned and 2:20:34.000 --> 2:20:38.400 go ahead, explained horn sheath and horn. Yeah case and 2:20:38.440 --> 2:20:47.440 point point my massive antelope. Huh, I wonder about my analope. 2:20:47.720 --> 2:20:51.000 Let's well, I was going to bring up your antelope 2:20:51.040 --> 2:20:56.000 skull because your folks they sealed. I noticed they sealed 2:20:56.040 --> 2:20:59.320 around the bases of the horn sheath, which I'd never 2:20:59.360 --> 2:21:03.920 seen before. Most horned animals have a bone core and 2:21:04.040 --> 2:21:07.920 a horn sheet, not antlered, but horn horn. And there's 2:21:07.959 --> 2:21:11.240 a lot of There is a lot of those between 2:21:11.320 --> 2:21:14.320 those two. Man And if you don't get that off, 2:21:15.280 --> 2:21:17.640 you can do a couple different methods, but for most 2:21:17.640 --> 2:21:20.600 practical purposes, we call it sweating. You get it all 2:21:20.600 --> 2:21:23.320 skinned out, and then you just wrap it in plastic bags, 2:21:23.360 --> 2:21:25.080 like three or four bags and leave it in like 2:21:25.200 --> 2:21:28.440 room temperature area for three to five days. It's called 2:21:28.480 --> 2:21:34.320 that rotting them off. Yeah, you guys called right, And 2:21:34.360 --> 2:21:36.360 then you can just twist and pop them off and 2:21:36.360 --> 2:21:40.840 then on the inside just like just like goo in there, right, 2:21:41.120 --> 2:21:43.800 the gooey ist of goo is the sheep. That one's 2:21:43.800 --> 2:21:47.400 always that's impressive taking big horns and pop those off. 2:21:47.480 --> 2:21:50.440 But and then that you're saying, like that's what's kind 2:21:50.480 --> 2:21:53.119 of rotting inside? That would give because they will try 2:21:53.120 --> 2:21:56.200 in place if you left it out and like you know, 2:21:56.240 --> 2:21:58.040 if you brought it in, the guy just takes the 2:21:58.080 --> 2:22:01.520 skull cap off and left the horns on and underneath 2:22:01.520 --> 2:22:04.480 the horns. In a year's time hanging up in a building, 2:22:04.520 --> 2:22:06.480 it will dry on there and you would have to 2:22:06.480 --> 2:22:09.040 soak it in water get it to come off. Never, 2:22:09.080 --> 2:22:12.400 it's never gonna smell right. My brother Danny, he's got 2:22:12.480 --> 2:22:17.040 when he's doing doll sheet, he takes a cooler and 2:22:17.120 --> 2:22:19.680 takes a contractor bag, puts a sheep head in there, 2:22:19.720 --> 2:22:22.560 pours a cup of water in there, waits a long time, 2:22:22.879 --> 2:22:24.840 pulls it out, lays out a piece of plywood on 2:22:25.000 --> 2:22:27.720 the ground and hooks it down and pop, you know, 2:22:27.840 --> 2:22:30.480 also do you wiggle the horn? Pop right off. He's 2:22:30.480 --> 2:22:32.400 got his whole little system that's got a special piece 2:22:32.400 --> 2:22:37.879 of plywood for that purpose. Like a good what it 2:22:38.000 --> 2:22:43.360 is unbelievably foul though, like the beer mugs are making 2:22:43.360 --> 2:22:45.200 now out of horns, sing and drink out of it. 2:22:45.280 --> 2:22:47.600 I would never drink out of one. I've spent too 2:22:47.680 --> 2:22:49.879 much time. Like when I see him, I always like, huh, 2:22:50.000 --> 2:22:51.640 you just smell it looking at like a little vix 2:22:51.720 --> 2:22:53.879 vapor rub in a mask, you know, to help cut 2:22:53.920 --> 2:22:55.520 down on it. And I'm like, I'm not drinking out 2:22:55.520 --> 2:22:58.120 of that thing. How do if people wanted to bring 2:22:58.160 --> 2:23:01.160 something to your studio but they don't live around you, 2:23:01.720 --> 2:23:03.760 how do you how do they like make that decision? 2:23:04.320 --> 2:23:05.600 Not how do they make this that's not the right 2:23:05.640 --> 2:23:08.360 word what they like? You don't just like stick a 2:23:08.400 --> 2:23:10.560 deer in the mail. We get a lot of stuff 2:23:10.640 --> 2:23:14.400 shipped in through FedEx, FedEx and ups. We get stuff 2:23:14.400 --> 2:23:17.440 shipped in. They can skin their deer down to the 2:23:17.480 --> 2:23:21.320 base of the head, sever the head yep. Use most 2:23:21.320 --> 2:23:24.640 commonly like even like this tote here, that's just stuff 2:23:24.640 --> 2:23:26.520 that we get stacks of totes brought in there and 2:23:26.520 --> 2:23:28.480 you'll talk him through the process, yep. And that we 2:23:28.520 --> 2:23:31.800 usually recommend doing FedEx second day air um, not overnight 2:23:31.879 --> 2:23:33.920 because usually it should be frozen. And asked the thought 2:23:33.920 --> 2:23:36.680 out and they got to have the paperwork square and 2:23:36.760 --> 2:23:39.039 help with the paperwork, and they go down and get 2:23:39.040 --> 2:23:43.039 everything set up. And we had a deer show up 2:23:43.160 --> 2:23:47.440 on last night actually from Wisconsin, so he has wanted 2:23:47.480 --> 2:23:51.480 you to do it. That's not a problem. Nope, No, 2:23:51.600 --> 2:23:54.320 we get most of our work and you created and 2:23:54.360 --> 2:23:56.640 shipping back to him. Yeah, yep, we ship all over 2:23:56.680 --> 2:23:59.280 the country. She got a guy that just making crates 2:24:00.040 --> 2:24:02.840 m hm. And then we also this year there was 2:24:02.920 --> 2:24:07.000 another company with the the rise on like the materials 2:24:07.040 --> 2:24:10.800 for creating all the lumber prices. They started doing crate lists. 2:24:10.959 --> 2:24:14.440 So this company doesn't do anything besides ship taxidermy. They 2:24:14.440 --> 2:24:16.760 just travel around and so you don't have the cost 2:24:16.800 --> 2:24:19.680 of the crate factored in. And they have the same 2:24:19.720 --> 2:24:22.400 systems of plates that we mount all of our stuff 2:24:22.440 --> 2:24:24.440 to the stands when we're actually working on them, and 2:24:24.480 --> 2:24:25.840 so they'll just take it and put a plate on 2:24:25.879 --> 2:24:27.280 it and mount him in the trailer and then just 2:24:27.320 --> 2:24:31.640 travel around drop it off. There's a guy in Alaska. 2:24:32.520 --> 2:24:35.560 There's probably motile guys in Alaska do that. They like 2:24:35.600 --> 2:24:38.840 Their business is at the end of the year transporting 2:24:39.000 --> 2:24:41.000 hauling all that ship down to the lower forty eight. 2:24:41.040 --> 2:24:45.360 And then they got drop off points. Yep, we just 2:24:45.440 --> 2:24:50.760 had big moose and adul sheep dropped off at our 2:24:50.840 --> 2:24:53.440 tannery and then I'll go pick up the antlers at 2:24:53.480 --> 2:24:55.200 some point. But we got a long time until its 2:24:55.240 --> 2:24:58.320 stand and then uh like uh, I have to go 2:24:58.400 --> 2:25:01.959 over to John Edwards from standing is Um, they harvested 2:25:02.000 --> 2:25:04.080 a big Yukon moose and us so I'm gonna pick 2:25:04.160 --> 2:25:06.640 up the antlers from them today. And their cape got 2:25:06.959 --> 2:25:09.440 drop shipped right to one of our tanneries in Michigan. 2:25:09.640 --> 2:25:12.240 And then we just got confirmation yesterday that it'll be 2:25:12.320 --> 2:25:14.800 here next week. So we'll make that loop and pick 2:25:14.840 --> 2:25:17.720 that up and they're gonna do a half life size 2:25:17.720 --> 2:25:22.240 in the store. Really yeah, yeah, just the ass end 2:25:27.400 --> 2:25:30.680 my old man had, My old man had, my brothers 2:25:30.720 --> 2:25:34.080 stole the ass when you went in the bathroom. Inside 2:25:34.120 --> 2:25:36.720 the bathroom was the pig's ass, and outside the bathroom 2:25:36.720 --> 2:25:38.640 with the pig's head. But he did that thing the 2:25:38.640 --> 2:25:40.160 guys used to do in the old days, where like 2:25:40.240 --> 2:25:42.560 when they price still do when you glue the toss 2:25:42.560 --> 2:25:45.640 in you barely stick the tuscan and then glue it 2:25:45.640 --> 2:25:48.840 so it looks like it's got like huge like fives 2:25:48.920 --> 2:25:51.880 going out of it, you know. And now then you'll 2:25:51.879 --> 2:25:55.320 see old where they would like really exaggerate bear fangs. Dude, 2:25:55.320 --> 2:25:57.840 they let a lot of hang out, let a lot 2:25:57.840 --> 2:25:59.880 of it hang out to make it look more ferocious. 2:26:00.400 --> 2:26:04.280 That's not your scene, no, no, I honestly, I'm I'm 2:26:04.320 --> 2:26:07.800 more into just the details of trying to make it 2:26:07.840 --> 2:26:10.560 look alive again. Yeah, well, I'm Johnny Man the bear 2:26:10.720 --> 2:26:13.080 the barry did the close mouth bear rugg you did 2:26:13.160 --> 2:26:17.200 for me. I don't wait to see you. It's I'm 2:26:17.200 --> 2:26:19.320 still waiting for Chester. I supposed to be hanging at 2:26:19.320 --> 2:26:22.480 some pitch up. But these guys Seth and Chester actually 2:26:22.520 --> 2:26:24.160 have a little desk these Chester is not here, but 2:26:24.160 --> 2:26:25.880 they have a little desk next to each other, and 2:26:25.959 --> 2:26:31.280 they call their little area the bear Den. It's like 2:26:31.320 --> 2:26:33.920 in the Muppets. It's two old man. They have that 2:26:34.480 --> 2:26:42.199 little booth, you know. It's called the mediums the medium sketch. Yeah, 2:26:42.200 --> 2:26:46.680 it wasn't raring. It certainly wasn't done. But they're in 2:26:46.800 --> 2:26:49.720 kind of a recessed area. But my bear is hanging 2:26:50.040 --> 2:26:51.840 over the rail and the bear den right now, I'm 2:26:51.840 --> 2:26:53.680 gonna get a hung up as clay as going up 2:26:53.720 --> 2:26:55.600 there too. I don't know what we're gonna do with 2:26:55.640 --> 2:26:57.880 ex seed now. It's gonna take a while, but we Yeah, 2:26:58.120 --> 2:26:59.840 never mind that thing is there's a lot of stuff. 2:26:59.920 --> 2:27:02.520 Is I get moved to a new place at some 2:27:02.600 --> 2:27:05.160 point soon, meaning all of our ship, all of your ship. 2:27:05.200 --> 2:27:06.920 So it's just hard to get excited about hanging anything 2:27:06.959 --> 2:27:11.600 up right now? Right competitive delivery serve us? Were you 2:27:11.680 --> 2:27:15.879 factor in the cost of me listening to how you 2:27:16.000 --> 2:27:20.440 got the animal I delivered, not to show up to deliver. 2:27:21.000 --> 2:27:26.520 I will give you an hour of happened? How far 2:27:26.600 --> 2:27:38.000 did you go? Good? Hit on it? All the questions. Yeah, 2:27:38.240 --> 2:27:42.720 you can sell that you got all the retired Border 2:27:42.720 --> 2:27:46.880 Patrol guys and stuff for that stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, 2:27:47.080 --> 2:27:49.400 hanging out with the coffee shop. But they could a 2:27:49.440 --> 2:27:58.199 little more new faces to what's the ballistic coefficient on that? Alright, 2:27:58.360 --> 2:28:04.000 Hayes tax jermy studio, Libby Montana. Do you got more 2:28:04.040 --> 2:28:06.320 room for more business? Your business? And I got a 2:28:07.040 --> 2:28:08.879 hide in a freezer I told you about. You got 2:28:09.160 --> 2:28:12.680 to take that absolutely bring with him right now. Yep. 2:28:13.920 --> 2:28:17.280 Did you get Yanni's Bobcat yet? Not yet? Not yet? 2:28:17.600 --> 2:28:19.560 We just got actually when I was pulling up here 2:28:19.600 --> 2:28:22.000 this morning, we just got confirmation on the reproductions going 2:28:22.040 --> 2:28:25.000 there in the works for the sheep. Now that's gonna 2:28:25.000 --> 2:28:29.680 be cool. Yeah, should be pretty new. Big horn. That 2:28:29.720 --> 2:28:31.960 was the first bear ever skinned all and it was 2:28:32.000 --> 2:28:33.879 all by myself in the middle of the night. So 2:28:33.920 --> 2:28:37.080 hopefully I didn't does he miss an appendage? That's that's 2:28:37.120 --> 2:28:40.320 old stumpy. You can do a recreation on the appendage. 2:28:41.360 --> 2:28:49.600 Put a fish on it, you mean like head, is 2:28:49.600 --> 2:28:53.080 it black? You got a human arm? You can is 2:28:53.080 --> 2:28:56.880 it a black color phase? Yeah? Black? Yep, we could 2:28:56.920 --> 2:29:00.720 put another one on there. Kind of like the way 2:29:00.760 --> 2:29:04.440 it was, keep it the way it was, like Clays bear, 2:29:05.480 --> 2:29:09.000 yeah whatever, Like did you reconstruct that bear's face or 2:29:09.040 --> 2:29:10.600 did it stay the same? That looked like it been 2:29:10.640 --> 2:29:15.000 a hit about lawnmower, the opera kind of stuff. The face, Um, 2:29:15.480 --> 2:29:18.480 you can only do so much before you distort the 2:29:18.480 --> 2:29:20.480 shape of the face. We were able to take out 2:29:20.480 --> 2:29:23.039 as many of the shave outs. And my boys just 2:29:23.080 --> 2:29:25.520 watched that episode like a week ago there, like what's 2:29:25.520 --> 2:29:28.560 wrong with that bear's head? And then we uh, the 2:29:28.640 --> 2:29:30.320 ears were so far gone. We had to cut the 2:29:30.360 --> 2:29:33.240 ears off another stock bear we had and lay those 2:29:33.280 --> 2:29:35.600 onto you know, you guys talk about different bears. A 2:29:35.800 --> 2:29:38.120 you're talking about the bear Clays bear had gotten in 2:29:38.200 --> 2:29:39.840 a fight. He'd been in a fight and had his 2:29:39.920 --> 2:29:42.840 muzzle all bit up. He thought about Clay had, oh, 2:29:43.000 --> 2:29:46.680 like the biggest black the biggest black bear rug because 2:29:46.720 --> 2:29:49.959 not just a length but I mean it's huge, just like, yeah, 2:29:50.000 --> 2:29:53.680 did you do? It was all messed up? He had 2:29:53.800 --> 2:29:57.760 it was all destroyed, messed up, and he rejuvenated it. 2:29:58.280 --> 2:30:01.000 Got it was. It wasn't taken care of. He didn't 2:30:01.000 --> 2:30:02.160 know what he's gonna do with it. He had a 2:30:02.240 --> 2:30:04.440 hanging around his house as just like a rug that's 2:30:04.440 --> 2:30:06.600 like a tan hide. My bad. I thought we were 2:30:06.600 --> 2:30:08.200 talking about, Oh the bear that got bit up by 2:30:08.200 --> 2:30:11.280 a bear. I don't know what he did with that bear. Yeah, 2:30:11.480 --> 2:30:14.720 I think it turned out great. It was. It was lucky. 2:30:14.959 --> 2:30:18.680 We luckily we had the right bears in stock to 2:30:18.800 --> 2:30:21.560 us to take pieces after place parts and stuff. So 2:30:21.600 --> 2:30:24.080 it was definitely yeah, I got lucky on that. And 2:30:24.080 --> 2:30:26.640 my bear is beautiful. Man, my clothes mouth bear rug. 2:30:26.840 --> 2:30:28.640 I'm a real soccer for rugs. Man. I like those 2:30:28.680 --> 2:30:31.520 bear rugs. I like rugs. Always did a great job, 2:30:32.440 --> 2:30:34.720 enjoyed doing him. A lot of places to kind of 2:30:34.720 --> 2:30:37.160 look down on rug work. They're like, you know, maybe 2:30:37.160 --> 2:30:39.080 I have my my wife do that or something. I 2:30:39.120 --> 2:30:42.840 didn't know that. Yeah, it's not really not really likestigious thing. 2:30:43.280 --> 2:30:45.840 I got like I gave some away, but yeah, I 2:30:45.840 --> 2:30:48.360 mean I got like a mountain lion rug, Himalayan tar 2:30:48.480 --> 2:30:53.000 rug that gave my body. A lot of bear rugs, 2:30:53.200 --> 2:31:01.879 rugs the old. Yeah, yeah, I always like a lot. 2:31:02.640 --> 2:31:05.360 I think a well done rug is really beautiful. Bad 2:31:05.480 --> 2:31:07.680 rugs for bad you know I'm saying bad anything, you know, 2:31:07.720 --> 2:31:14.280 bad rugs for bad people? All right, Hayze Tax Durny 2:31:14.320 --> 2:31:25.320 Studio yourself. No, it does beautiful stuff. Go look at 2:31:25.320 --> 2:31:29.080 the crazy ass kyote squishy thing as Steve Hornella. Make 2:31:29.120 --> 2:31:31.879 sure to hit following you there on Instagram. Go to 2:31:31.920 --> 2:31:34.720 Hayes tax rest. Go and see for yourself beautiful work. 2:31:34.760 --> 2:31:37.920 I'll live in Montana and I'll send a box over there. 2:31:38.720 --> 2:31:41.000 We'll be there. Rough skin it so it's got a 2:31:41.040 --> 2:31:43.039 lot of fat meat on it. Throw a jar, assault 2:31:43.120 --> 2:31:46.039 on Aaron. Do they need to send you an email 2:31:46.120 --> 2:31:48.039 beforehand that like, hey, I'm sending a box or do 2:31:48.040 --> 2:31:52.600 you just get boxes from I strongly encourage before contact 2:31:52.640 --> 2:31:56.560 before Yeah, we actually had a amount of animal ship 2:31:56.600 --> 2:32:01.280 to us with no name, no times, act, no nothing. 2:32:01.680 --> 2:32:03.600 And I was like, well, you know, run it through 2:32:03.640 --> 2:32:06.840 the tanning process. And it was probably the most patient 2:32:07.040 --> 2:32:09.360 customer we ever had. It was about four years later 2:32:09.440 --> 2:32:13.200 this guy calls up and He's like, hey, man, where's 2:32:13.240 --> 2:32:16.000 my or whatever it was? And I'm like who are 2:32:16.040 --> 2:32:18.200 Like who are you? You know? And he gives me 2:32:18.280 --> 2:32:20.400 his name and I was like okay, So I go 2:32:20.520 --> 2:32:22.440 to the alphabetical file trying to find him. I was like, 2:32:22.480 --> 2:32:24.120 when did he send it? And he's like it's been 2:32:24.160 --> 2:32:26.920 a long time, all right. I'm rippling to there. I'm like, 2:32:26.959 --> 2:32:29.280 you're not even on file and I was like, wait 2:32:29.280 --> 2:32:32.160 a second, was it did you ship? He's like, yeah, 2:32:32.200 --> 2:32:33.880 that's me. I'm like, well, you gotta put your name 2:32:33.879 --> 2:32:36.440 in it. Before he ascended to me, there was nothing 2:32:36.520 --> 2:32:38.600 there and he's like, oh, you still got it. I 2:32:38.640 --> 2:32:41.040 was like, we still got it. We were doing yeah, 2:32:41.160 --> 2:32:42.440 able to get it down and get it to him. 2:32:42.720 --> 2:32:47.520 That's great, that's happy. End the story. Oh Everyboddy John Hayes, 2:32:47.560 --> 2:32:49.680 thanks a lot for joining. Thank you very much. Send 2:32:49.760 --> 2:32:51.480 send all your text and re ordered John who get 2:32:51.480 --> 2:32:54.560 you squared away? Those beautiful work. And I should point 2:32:54.560 --> 2:32:57.680 out the Freedom Mounts look amazing. I call him, You're 2:32:57.760 --> 2:32:59.760 I don't like remember how they had to rebrand French 2:32:59.760 --> 2:33:02.640 for during the Iraq invasion. Yes, I don't like calling 2:33:02.600 --> 2:33:08.760 the European Mounts freedom Mounts. Freedom mounts, whether that yeah, beautiful, 2:33:09.040 --> 2:33:12.800 less or more, it's called the freedom mount. Judge a 2:33:12.840 --> 2:33:17.120 little less, a little less just the skull, but the 2:33:17.120 --> 2:33:19.920 bear is beautiful. I think it's pinned this way. When 2:33:19.920 --> 2:33:21.320 your kids picking up to show their friend and the 2:33:21.400 --> 2:33:24.240 jaw doesn't fall off the floor break in half, you 2:33:24.360 --> 2:33:26.640 prevent all that from happening. I feel like there's two 2:33:26.680 --> 2:33:29.400 things around without the European mounts a little more expensive, 2:33:29.480 --> 2:33:33.760 and it's gonna smell like cigarette Freedom mount over here. 2:33:36.080 --> 2:33:44.679 All right, thanks a lot, everybody,