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Speaker 1: This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven versatile

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Speaker 1: hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for

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Speaker 1: every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer, turn the

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Speaker 1: machine on, Phil, I'll say a bold statement, machines. You

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Speaker 1: wanna hear bold statement. Let's start show out. YEA, most

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Speaker 1: people I know this to be true because of anecdotal evidence,

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Speaker 1: So it must be true. It must be true because

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Speaker 1: Andal Evan's most people, like a majority of people who

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Speaker 1: dungeons and dragons. I listen, this is a true thing.

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Speaker 1: I've got, like probably my left big toe kind of

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Speaker 1: dipped into that world, Steve, And that's absolutely true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my brother Danny used to live up in Alaska. There

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Speaker 1: was some falconers and they had gotten into huge snakes.

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Speaker 1: They were way into D and D that's what they

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Speaker 1: got into falconry all out of like Sorcerer stuff. These

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Speaker 1: and go to the park and joust. It's called ling

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Speaker 1: action role playing. What about what about your buddy, the

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Speaker 1: world's greatest small game hunter? Didn't he engage in some

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Speaker 1: He did, yes, but he's an exception to the rule.

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Speaker 1: I said a majority, meaning if you had a hundred

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Speaker 1: some exceptions to Phil just say, you know, when I

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Speaker 1: people I have been a lart ping go creeping around,

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Speaker 1: That's all. That's great, right exactly. John Hayes from Hayes

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Speaker 1: Taxidermy Studio, what do you think about that. You've got

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Speaker 1: these strong opinions. You don't want to alienate potential customers. See,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna start dogging on D and D people. And

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Speaker 1: then some guy was like, gonna send over his rabbit

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Speaker 1: I'm not sending it to him now because he dogged

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Speaker 1: to alienate people. Man, I, me and Seth know about

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Speaker 1: a taxi nervous here in town that has really alienated

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Speaker 1: some people. Just talk to him this morning and beat

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Speaker 1: up other tax nervous and get people stuff, get people

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Speaker 1: amazing how much stuff I've had brought to me from

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Speaker 1: other shops over the years. It's surprised I didn't like

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Speaker 1: Why would Why would they bring it? Because it's like

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Speaker 1: and bring it. Yeah, and it's just sitting in a

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Speaker 1: Oh dude, I'm fully accepted the fact that it's ruined. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not just him, man, other friends of mine. I feel

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Speaker 1: And you know, so I have like an unbelievable amount

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Speaker 1: One day? Right? It was just like a guy just

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Speaker 1: I actually just received four goats back that brought into

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Speaker 1: So not even your fault, No, No, it's just we're

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Speaker 1: just we have stuff that's been out for a year

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Speaker 1: lose stuff these days, you know, like you'll we'll have

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Speaker 1: our code on it. Then it's punched with our invoice

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Speaker 1: the top crisis season the tax during the world. Right,

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Speaker 1: is cape condition yes? And and making sure it's my

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Speaker 1: cape yes, yep. And so the punches and the seals

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Speaker 1: despite his occupation, despite his calling. I sent a coyote

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Speaker 1: how much meat? They're like, I don't know this. Help

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Speaker 1: that open probably happens a whole time. And tell the

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Speaker 1: because COVID. Oh when people here, just I'll be a

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Speaker 1: thou and dollars richer. Why is that? Steve? Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you why, because'm gonna win that Derby tomorrow Duck's

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Speaker 1: on ice. Oh yeah, you could be richer if you

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Speaker 1: catch the biggest fish of the whole. Damn, there's a

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Speaker 1: side thing if you if you have if you're fishing, No, no,

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Speaker 1: it's between it's between bourbon, walleye and perch. If you

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Speaker 1: I mean that could be a your strategy could be

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, I don't know what's different this year,

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Speaker 1: They're like, if you catch a perch, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: bigger than a walley that you catch more than likely.

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Speaker 1: So strange. My daughter yesterday said, I rememorized that. She said,

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Speaker 1: how Daddy's gonna make it. You couldn't go. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was Sunday, not Saturday. No, you can still go

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Speaker 1: buy the thing. It's forty bucks to get in this

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Speaker 1: I know it's like early and you haven't read everything yet,

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Speaker 1: but the eagle study that's you're making its round right now? Man,

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Speaker 1: you haven't read the study, but you're only reading headlines,

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Speaker 1: And can I interrupt you for saying this is bald

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Speaker 1: and golden, bald and golden yea, both of them, and um,

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Speaker 1: effects of lead on birds. It turns out we're very

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's that's not a good way to

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00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: gonna make ice. I'm gonna make a line. What we

424
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 1: should just draw it up someone could draw it up

425
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: if you ice fish in that state and then you

426
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: draw a line at the bottom of the state and

427
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: it'll zigzag and then you'll know the south from the north.

428
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: So we'll work on that. Put it on a T shirt.

429
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture here that shows the Mason

430
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: Dixon Line being south of the Illinois border, because you

431
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: can ice fish in Illinois. But it's funny because that's

432
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: how it's funny, because it includes Missouri, which the line

433
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: shoots up. Oh, you're a half the distance of you

434
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: probably think you probably think of Missouri compromise as a bullet,

435
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: but the Missouri Compromise was actually about that very issue.

436
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: I would love love nothing more than to go into

437
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: a barbershop some and see the Missouri compromise as like

438
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: you point to the picture, Oh you want Ah, here's

439
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: the big news I've been following. And that was actually,

440
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: you know, I actually wanted to do. I wanted to do,

441
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: like do the public comment thing, but it was really

442
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: hard to do the public comment thing. That it was

443
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: time to do it, like in person public comment is

444
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: they've opened up spear fishing for a number of game

445
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: fish in Lake Michigan and Lake Huron, which is great

446
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: for me in Michigan. But they've drawn it in like

447
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: a weird way. Um, the areas they've opened up, it's

448
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: almost like they thought to themselves, what would be the

449
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: area that someone would be would be least likely to

450
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: enjoy success, and that will be the Walleye Northern Pike

451
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: spear fishing area, meaning what it's like south of the

452
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: Southern Pier in Grand Haven for Lake Michigan and Lake

453
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: here you're talking about like the distribution of the species

454
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: does They didn't open up any inland, see like everything

455
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: in the Great Lakes are inland, but like a term

456
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: would be sort of like inland being not the great

457
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: They didn't open up any non Great lake waters Great

458
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: Lakes proper, right, And then they drew a line where

459
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: like they opened up Lake Michigan and Michigan water south

460
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: of the Southern Pier where the Grand River flows into

461
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: Lake Michigan. If someone said like, hey, you can now

462
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: spearfish for Northern and Walleye in Michigan, that would be

463
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: the last place I would that would ding in my

464
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: head is where I'm headed to. Is that something to

465
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: do with the muskie populations? No, I don't think so.

466
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: I think it just has to do with the people.

467
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: People the Roding Real crowd of which I'm a member.

468
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: Most of them are real fired up about this. They're like, oh,

469
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna kill them all. So I know they're gonna

470
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: kill like five of them. But um uh tribes didn't

471
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: want it. Uh. A lot of the rod and Real

472
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: crowd didn't want it. Spear fishermen have been put in

473
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: so they did like this experimental spear fishing season in

474
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: places that seemed not great. Now hopefully there's some guy

475
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: in Michigan thinking like, no, you got it all wrong,

476
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: and he'll right in and tell me how I'm all wrong.

477
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: But then we'll go check it out and bite you

478
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: to come out there. And there's one guy who's been

479
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: sending me emails about this, and he's been following it

480
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: and he did testify on it, and he's still views

481
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: it as a win. Oh you also you gotta like

482
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: fill out like a report about what you did and

483
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: didn't do. He used it as a win because it's

484
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: it's expanding areas for spear fishing. It's because the first time,

485
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: it's the first time in michiganan spear what would be

486
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: called the game fish. So they've and what what my

487
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: guess is, what will happen if if the good if

488
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: the goodwill on the part of the fisheries managers extends

489
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: like well, let's see. My feeling is that the way

490
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: they've done it, they are not going to find that

491
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden there's an overwhelming harvest by spear fishing.

492
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: If you were if your goal was to kill a

493
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: shipload of walleye, like, to get a shipload of walleye

494
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: spear fishing is probably not no you know, or lake

495
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: trout for that matter. I'll tell you to change the

496
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: physique of a lot of walleye. Fishermen need a heavy dive.

497
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: Lead prices are gonna go way up trying to sink

498
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: all that. But it is weird because because you know,

499
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: in salt water you can spear all kinds of game fish. Yeah, freshwater,

500
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: it's just never been a thing. Freshwater spear fishing, I

501
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: think is the new frontier man and it's like good.

502
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: But I just feel like it's great that they did it.

503
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: Um being from there, I was excited and then I

504
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: saw what they're opening and I was like, I was

505
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: ready to make a special trip right then I saw

506
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: what their opening. I mean I might go there to

507
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: see my mom anyways, and that this border is very

508
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: near my mom hour drive my mom's place. Um, but

509
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: when I saw what they opened, I was like, oh wait,

510
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. So maybe someone will right in and

511
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: they'll be like, no, you got it all wrong, dude.

512
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: But you think it's more of a like is there purse,

513
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: it's just a poor spot for the fish to be

514
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: or it was there like a water clarity issue, uh,

515
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: seasonal clarity issue. But in the spring you have good

516
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 1: In the spring you have great clarity. It's just a

517
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: matter of like where they're gonna be concentrated and when

518
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna be there, and that you're it's just like

519
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: a basin, you know. I mean it's like an open

520
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: sandy basin. And a lot of those big bays did

521
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: have more sort of identifiable structure in places you'd go

522
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: like be like this would be a great place to

523
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: look for walleye. A lot of that stuff lies north there.

524
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: There might be stuffing I'm not thinking of is it

525
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: deep south there? You know what's funny is it's it's

526
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: like it's super predictively deep, like if you go six

527
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: miles out, it's two deep, you know. I mean, it's

528
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: just like it's so gradual the way it was carved out.

529
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: It might be yeah, shallow again, I don't, I don't

530
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: know what, but it greatly behooves you to stack the

531
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: deck in your favor as much as pop. So if

532
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: you're going to a spot where, yeah, there's a few

533
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: fish around, um, that's gonna be a tough day of

534
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: spear fishing. The upside is, at least this year, when

535
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: you show up down on the bottom, the last thing

536
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: on his mind is gonna be that you're gonna shoot him,

537
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. There's no marine mammals. It's

538
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: just like a big wally, just nothing ever happens to him.

539
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: There's no reason to run from anything. Yeah, and then

540
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's no catching release with spear fishing,

541
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: and I mean, my goodness, like the rotten real angler.

542
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: You gotta accept the fact that once you let that

543
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: fish go, there's a lot happening below the surface that

544
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: you just have no idea about. Whereas it somebody with

545
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: a spear, you kind of live it personally. You're very

546
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: familiar with the fate of that fish man. I don't

547
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: even know this. I wanted to talk about this one.

548
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: Don't even know. It's like I can't tell. Do you

549
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: wanna talk about the organ thing? It's sad or I'll

550
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: get out. It's like I don't even know if it's

551
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: like if it's if it fits. So a guy in Oregon,

552
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: are you deadline? Oregon man accidentally shoots brother while fending

553
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: off bear, then kills himself. So fending fending being as

554
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: a verb, right, um no, yeah, is it a bird?

555
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: I know, but when it's got an I m g

556
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: is a still over? Yeah, of course it is. So

557
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: it seems like I don't really know. But looking at

558
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: it seems more like they saw a bear out in

559
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: the yard on their property. One of them runs and

560
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: gets the gun, and then in the loading manages to

561
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: kill his brother. So I don't know, like how whether

562
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: they're fending off a bear or just fix them to

563
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: go get a bear, or just getting excited with a

564
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: gun because there's a bear out in the yard. The

565
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: tragic thing is then the guy was so distraught shot

566
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: himself moving on any more to stay there. One of

567
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: those will never really know. Yeah, oh oh no, Cal

568
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: would love to know if if O d F G

569
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: Oregon Department of Fishing game has been called previously regard

570
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: your property destroying or threatening bear question like was it

571
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: a black was it like a black bear threat? Just

572
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: a weird story. I'm sure more details like were they

573
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: super on edge because it's like, oh, the crazy marauding

574
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: bear is coming back? Or you know, it's just there's

575
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: some context there that would make this um a little

576
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: more relatable. I guess. I mean, it's just just sad.

577
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: But I got to uh removing into tax during me. Now, John,

578
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: were you getting bored? I want to talk about our calendar,

579
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I want to ask your peinbot a counter,

580
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: but first I want to heat with a listener question. Okay,

581
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: A listener wrote in with a pressing question, what do

582
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: you me eater folks expect from their mounts when they

583
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: die or pass them on? My grandfather had over one

584
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty mounts in his basement. I was wish

585
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: I could do that small museum. It's been a nightmare

586
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 1: for our family. He goes on to say his basement,

587
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: all of his stories made up or not. We're the

588
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: highlights of holidays and the grandchildren's dreams. Now that he

589
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: has passed, it seems to be a nightmare to be

590
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: rid of them. In context, before he passed, he told

591
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: me personally, I really enjoy looking at all these animals

592
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: I've collected in my basement. But when I die, good luck,

593
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: it's not my problem anymore. Does he want to see

594
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: what the problem is? Holy cow, he's got a lot

595
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: of crazy stuff. Yeah, well, the problem is that they

596
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: gotta get rid of this stuff because I imagine, you know,

597
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: they want to sell the house or Yeah, but how's

598
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: that a nightmare? It's a gold mine? But is it? Though?

599
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: That's the question? Not not necessarily? Yeah, see what they have?

600
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: What are they sitting on here? There's a nice walleme

601
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: out there. You can send that to me. John is

602
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: gonna give you a very accurate estimate of its value

603
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, it's stuff does and look all

604
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: rot and falling apart? Is that a great horned owl?

605
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: And that picture? Yeah, I might be part of the

606
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: explain that part of the problem, you know, Uh, get

607
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: go get closer your mic there. The biggest thing I

608
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: see when I look at these pictures like this, um

609
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: a lot of personal trophies, but for highly resellable. You're

610
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: basically looking at something that has Boot and Crockett value.

611
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: If if if granddadded shot you know five there, those

612
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: would be really easy to move. Uh. Just your average

613
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: little stuff that just meant something to him, it's very

614
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: difficult to move. And then as they get older. Yeah,

615
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: a lot of I get this. A lot people call

616
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: me constantly asking Hey, how can I get rid of

617
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: this stuff? Where do I sell this stuff? At? Certain

618
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: things require permitting that the permits don't exist. You have

619
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: to go back through and refile for stuff. You know,

620
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: it can be a nightmare. I would imagine, Um, did

621
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: you notice the bobcat lounging on the TV in the

622
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: lower left hand corner. No, I just got all messed

623
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: up and I lost my place on things like moved

624
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: or I don't know. I didn't do it. I didn't

625
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: do anything. I mean it looks to me like, you know,

626
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: you could just send this picture around to like every

627
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: controls get magically over here. Any kitchen, you know, restaurant, bar,

628
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: you know whatever, that's always an easy place to try

629
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: to unload a lot of that stuff. He's got a

630
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: beaver now and on a stick. I want to see

631
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: I want to see a bigger version of the axis

632
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: dear where it's got? Why can I get a big

633
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: rest of the hide over the top? Is the like

634
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: that thing belongs in some crappy bar in a SKII

635
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: in front of the fireplace. It looks like that access

636
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: to here says to me expensive cocktails could find better elsewhere.

637
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: And as the looks changed so much that you know,

638
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: I mean like stuff I did when I was in

639
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: high school compared to now, I mean, I couldn't give

640
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: that ship away. Do you know he has an airplane

641
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: hanging from the ceiling to airplane that really throws the

642
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: whole thing off. Unless he was a bush pilot. He's

643
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: got a couple of them. Yeah, so he does have

644
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: the family does have a problem. They'll have to definitely

645
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: search around and try to find places to just give

646
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: a lot of that away. Really. Yeah, we got a

647
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: letter from a guy one time that took his grandpa's

648
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: stuff and made a pire p y a E and

649
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: torched it all because he's like, it just seemed like

650
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: I didn't we didn't know what to do with it.

651
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: It just seemed like a way to just send it along,

652
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: Send it along. Man, do people come to you to

653
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: try and offload. Yeah, and usually unless I'm buying antlers

654
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: off something I don't, or like a sheep if it's

655
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: pinned and I know it's legal, something like that. I

656
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: think the big question here is not what happens to

657
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: the taxidermy items, but what happens to the taxidermist when

658
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: somebody likes this, Like this dies, that's a cash cow,

659
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, like his business is drying up. Yeah,

660
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: that's not my client. But about the rogue taxidermist who

661
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: will come in and put one head on another thing

662
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: and attach something. We're gonna next Harry Potter type, Harry

663
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: Potter type tax Yes, she was explaining that, making like

664
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: Harry Potter animals. That's it's quite She's like, she's she

665
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: doesn't know it. She's tiptoeing in that direction. Hey, well,

666
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: it seems like John's gotta little vein of that in

667
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: him too. You need to pay this guy a visit. Crane,

668
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: you'd have endless opportunity. You can make a beaver fish.

669
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 1: Get your hands on is it an our wall that

670
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: has the horns? And oh yeah, Crean, you could go.

671
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: You could go ape ship with all this stuff. You

672
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: make a lion with like steel head for legs. I

673
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: don't know. Uh, that's too bad. I want to see.

674
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: I thought all that stuff was valuable, And in fact,

675
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm faced with a similar situation my father had. My

676
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: father had the first uh fawn, first year he ever got,

677
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: which was a white tail fawn that looks like it

678
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: was mounted seven years ago. Um uh, he's got another

679
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: white tail buck. He's got like a shoulder amount of

680
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: a black bear, right, And I'm like trying to figure

681
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: out what I'm gonna do with it. Like when I

682
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: wanted my grandfather's white tail, his best white tail. Um,

683
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: I just took the antlers off and redid it. The cape,

684
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: new cape, new form, new style, you know. So just

685
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: keep it in the family. You know, the grandkids all

686
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: know the story from their parents and the uncles that

687
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: were there stuff. So just refurbish it, you know, take it,

688
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: take it back down, and put a brand new look

689
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: back on it. That is the thing that's hard to

690
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: get across on tax dury. Have you know, known a

691
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: lot of old Cogers over the years, and they can

692
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: look at them out and know the entire story and

693
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: recount the whole like, oh yeah, this is this time

694
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: of day, we were right here. Yeah, even if they're

695
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: pretty fuzzy on just about everything. All right, So let's

696
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: let's do one last for instance, Uh, is that a sailfish?

697
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: What is that thing? Yeah, some sort of a Yeah,

698
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: that billfish. That's a sailfish. Guy walks into your studio. No,

699
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: that's a bad example. Well no, let's do this one.

700
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 1: Let's check out his black bear. They're the one standing

701
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: up black bear, standing up, beautiful white throat patch, gorgeous

702
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: black beard. Guy walks into Hayes tax during studio on

703
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: Libby Montana says, hey, uh, what's your best offer? You

704
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: would literally say zero dollar. It's not my work, most importantly,

705
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: and I don't sell anybody's work but my own, especially

706
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: like the bears. I've been working a long time. We

707
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: kind of have our own look good, bad or otherwise.

708
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: It's becoming more recognizable to my studio. And I just

709
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: don't don't have anything to do with other people's stuff

710
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: because your bears look like a live bears. We're trying

711
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: to get what we could have. We could open up,

712
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: we can open ourselves up to some taxidermy donations, and

713
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: then we can put those in the Menater House of Oddities. Well,

714
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: that's something I was going to say. Next is especially

715
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: if it's fucked up old Taxidermy, because then we could

716
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: have like a companion calendar that Seth curates the photos

717
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: for with an actual live in the fake flesh version

718
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: of the I'm going to say, find out where uh,

719
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: let's find out where he is, because maybe we just

720
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: have to send someone there over there and fly over there,

721
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: get a rental U haul and bring it all back,

722
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: or if they really want to get rid of it,

723
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: package it up. But I don't want crane root around

724
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: in there cutting stuff of blue and all that ship

725
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 1: back together. Yeah, we should get it. Maybe. I'm telling

726
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: you guys, I got a spot in Idaho that we're

727
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: gonna drive down too, because everybody needs to see the

728
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: whole company. We'll get all of our messed up old

729
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: taxider any photos that we need, and everybody will be

730
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: done with it in absolute awe of everything else in

731
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: this spot from one location. Is it a bar? It's unreal,

732
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: It is unreal. We're doing last year we did a

733
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: calendar I guess it was last year. We did a

734
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: calendar for this year called fund Up Old Deer stands. Yes,

735
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: I saw that. Great all sources from our community, our listeners. Um,

736
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: that's been overwhelmed by the by next year's calendar submissions,

737
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: which is fucked up old taxidermy. How many have you

738
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: got now? Seth oh look two thousand and nine. Its

739
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: slowed down because we haven't talked about it lately. Yeah.

740
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: So now is this like novelty tax, durmy or tax

741
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: or just poorly executed traditional tax? For me, I prefer

742
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: it to be Yeah, no Harry Potter garbage at all,

743
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: though in Crin's honor on the last page of the calendar,

744
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: we might have a bunch of thumbnails, Like we might

745
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: have a collection of Harry Potter stuff in the back,

746
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: but it's not gonna be tied. We won't be tied

747
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: to a month. It's it's preferably it's just yeah, nothing

748
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: like that. What is that? I don't know. It just

749
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: says taxidermy from hell. Yeah, nothing like we're looking for

750
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: Grandpa's the perfect piece of old fund up tax, then

751
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: we would be that. Um, it's stuff from hunters, stuff

752
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: from trappers that just hasn't like aged well might have

753
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: not been done the best in the first place was

754
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: once loved now it's neglected. Yeah, like with the newspaper

755
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: coming out of their eye and stuff like that. Like yeah,

756
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: just like great old bad text nrmon, great old bad

757
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: text Nrman, but not Harry Potter stuff. Sorry. I just

758
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: so John, if you're sumbing through that calendar next year

759
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: and you find your own stuff, now, you're gonna know

760
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: you're like, that's like, just silence the conversation. Pep, we'll

761
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: get a cease and desist. Wait, hold on, I really

762
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: anyone who just really isn't a shitty mood right now,

763
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: or just isn't a great mood but like wants to laugh,

764
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: just google Old Bad Taxidermy and some real crazy ship

765
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: will pop up and you will not be able to

766
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: stop cracking up. No, I think it's gonna be good.

767
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: I think, well, we like really scour it. We're gonna

768
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: find some great months now. Funked up Old Taxidermy was seasonal,

769
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: so it feels wintertime. There's an old deer stay in

770
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: during the wintertime. Fils spring, there was up old deer

771
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: staying in the spring. This is gonna not be a

772
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 1: seasonal Maybe we can find a seasonal element. Nah, No,

773
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: probably not. We need a good representation of different species. Though,

774
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: why did you become a tax nerm me John tax

775
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: der missed. My family always had tax drm me growing

776
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: up and got it done, had it done. Um. And

777
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: then one day I finally was old enough to go

778
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: pick up a deer head with my dad and I

779
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: was about eight years old and I went over to

780
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: one of the local shops my dad pick it up,

781
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: and I was just blown away. It was just amazing

782
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: that just was absolutely enamored by the whole thing. And

783
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: just the smell, yeah, everything, you know, just like like

784
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of rot, a little bit some bondo

785
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: fumes in there. Yeah. Walking out the door, I was like,

786
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a tax numerus some My dad was like,

787
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: oh cool, you know whatever. So on and so forth

788
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: it went. And first job I got was a tax

789
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: for me in the shop, and really yeah, as soon

790
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: as I got a driver's license I was fifteen, I

791
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: just kept pestering the guy until he finally gave me

792
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: a job. What was the job he gave you, shot bitch,

793
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: basically sweeping the floor, cleaning the blood up. And finally

794
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: I worked up the skin and and prepping hides and

795
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: prepping forms and stuff. What when you were skinning, you

796
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: were just skinning like cape and deer. He started on

797
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: the bad stuff. First. We did a lot of lions

798
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: back then, like they were really avid lion hunting back

799
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: up in the b At that time. It wasn't a

800
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: special drawing, so anybody that wanted to shoot one get

801
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: attacked just over the counter. So it wasn't uncommon to

802
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: skin thirty forty mountain lions in season. Yeah, so lots

803
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: of lion skin in, um, lots of bears for springtime

804
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: up there, um, and then a lots of deer guys

805
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: bringing the whole line. It's Yeah, most of the time

806
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: when I get a line brought it in, it is

807
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: the whole line. Wow. I'm always just hoping that they

808
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: didn't ride around with it on the dog box for

809
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: two days to show everybody what it was, and then

810
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: it shows up and it's bloated. How do you how

811
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: do you skin a lot of road dirt? Right? How

812
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: do you skin a lion if you're if you're gonna

813
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: do a full body on it un down the back

814
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: any so, yes, you can, depending on the pose you want,

815
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: but ultimately on a life size anything you're skinning patterns

816
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: not as critical as say a rug, because you're just

817
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: sowing the two pieces back together. So like that cemetery

818
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: you're looking for on a rug, where you want to

819
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 1: be your splits, your legs aren't wonky, and you have

820
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: equal amounts of belly on each side. Um that's critical

821
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: for a rug size mounts. If if the artists prefers

822
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: the dorsal cut, um, like if a cat was standing

823
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: like that bear you know, or the show side is

824
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: the belly. Um A dorsal cuts okay, um, But I

825
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: don't really do dorsal cuts on anything anymore. You still

826
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 1: have to cut everybody. I think at some point thinks

827
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: you just make an incision down the back and then

828
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: slatted on the form. But the form is completely rigid,

829
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: so if it's like this, you still have to cut

830
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: every leg and cut completely down the back of it

831
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: and sew it all up. So I just I just

832
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: prefer a belly incision. And most of the time the

833
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: pose isn't just the belly. Would you prefer like if

834
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: you blue Sky World it, uh? Would you prefer people

835
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: show up with whole animals? If we're doing a life

836
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: size I don't charge any extra to skin it out

837
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: at the shop because it saves you a little. Uh

838
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: when when me and Clay brought you my bear which

839
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: turned out beautifully, were you happy or not happy with

840
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: our skin and job? Oh? That was great, that was great. Yeah,

841
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 1: it was just so you had a guy you worked

842
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: for it got in a little trouble. Yeah, the first

843
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: guy that I worked for. Did he get in like

844
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: taxidermist type trouble, I know, but he had before he

845
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: got in taxidermist type trouble. He got into like selling

846
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: fully automatic weapons to the A T, F and FBI

847
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: that he ended up had a client of his and

848
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: did a middleman make a couple of thousand bucks quick,

849
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: and the agent showed up undercover and bottom. And then

850
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: when we were kids, it was a widely held belief

851
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: that any semi automatic, including our Marlin semials and he

852
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: saw semi automatic, was a few file strokes away from

853
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: being full from being fully automatic. There was like some

854
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: secret thing that if you just knew what needed to

855
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: be filed, that was all that separated you from having

856
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: a fully automatic two Marlin tube bad. Yeah, he filed

857
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: the pin on it and like, no, this is fully automatic.

858
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: It's just like but just no one every would show

859
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: us what exactly one needed to file? Uh do you

860
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: agree that? I don't. You know, We're not gonna talk

861
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: all too much on this, but like in your opinion,

862
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 1: why do people have sort of oh tax nervous I

863
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: mean I do, even having any involvement or affiliation with

864
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: other taxiderms, I'm really standoffish until I know him, because

865
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like a lot of a lot of people

866
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: just do stupid shit. I mean, like them taking your

867
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: money and not doing your work, or just slapping poor

868
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: workout or you know, I lost it, you know, I

869
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: mean just I don't know how that many in our

870
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: industry are like that. It's just mind boggling. I think

871
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: it's it's got to be transition because I think at

872
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: a time it was like so many people kind of

873
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: working out of their basement stuff. Right now you sort

874
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: of seems like I don't really know, but it seems

875
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: now you have like big taxidermy studio, Like you guys

876
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: use like studio Like it's like a business when you go,

877
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's like a full on

878
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: business with like paperwork and stuff. And I've heard you

879
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: used the word artist a few times too. At one

880
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: point does a taxider must become an artist? Honestly, that

881
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: probably is individually based. I would say, Um, early on,

882
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: I definitely wasn't an artist. I was just mechanically trying

883
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: to put stuff together. Um. But like the more you learn,

884
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: the more you learn, right, and it starts opening up

885
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: like a little door or of creativity where you're like, oh,

886
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: maybe I'll try that this time. And so I think

887
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: it's a progression. At least it was a progression for me.

888
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I know a couple of guys are just

889
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: like they were just natural. I was not you. Weren't

890
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: you here to work for it? Ground still grinding. Yeah,

891
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: I started to really appreciate John when we're talking. I

892
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: can't ember how it came up. Oh Yanni. Yeah, He's like, man,

893
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: if I ever get a bear mounted, I'm gonna get

894
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: it mounted where it's not growling, because he's like every

895
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: bear I look at, he's never growling, right, But then

896
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: every bear amount they're growling, and so were I was

897
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: pointing out John, like why are they always growling? And

898
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: it's just easier to make them growling. It is there's

899
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: a lot more product materials available to make that look

900
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: and I said, can we do one where he just

901
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: looks like a normal bear walking through the woods, which

902
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: is his mouth is closed. Yes, And you're saying when

903
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: you go into your supply catalog, that's not in there.

904
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 1: There's only just a handful of clothes mouth and there.

905
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 1: I would never use one for any of my work.

906
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: I know that. So we just make our own look amazing.

907
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: And that's how we like when you were saying about

908
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: the guy walking with the bear, That's why I wouldn't

909
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 1: take his bear, because I'm really particular in what I'm

910
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: using to get that look, trying to try to be repeatable,

911
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: so it's not like a snowflake like, oh my bear

912
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: look great, and you're like, how my bear sucked. Trying

913
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: to keep that repeatable performance out there. Uh, you know

914
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: they want to ask you. You got into helicopter logging

915
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: for a while. Yeah. That was kind of the path

916
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: where the fork was like go to prison or go

917
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: somewhere else. So I went helicopter logging when he left

918
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 1: make our fortune and that was up. That was that

919
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: was up when that was still some some timber business

920
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: happening up. Could yeah you're on a Libby Montana, Yeah, yeah,

921
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: that's that's dried up right. Oh yeah, completely, it is

922
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: the loggers. You're in like a former logging community. Yeah, yep,

923
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: very well. That was the whole basis of the community.

924
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: Originally was basically logging and then a little bit of mining,

925
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: but logging was the staple. And you guys are doing

926
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: like you're doing, like select cut helicopter stuff. And for

927
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: the helicopter mostly we traveled, so we'd log in Washington, Oregon, Idaho, California, Montana,

928
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: anywhere where the train warranted using an aircraft. What was

929
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: your role in that? That was a hooker, so a choker,

930
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: ceter hooker. I was like John didn't make much money.

931
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: That's why to get back into taxi here. I knew

932
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: those logs and towns were off. So what's the hooker do.

933
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: You're the external load person, So when the helicopter fly over,

934
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: they lower a lion down to you and you would

935
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: select a weight of logs, so you'd look at him

936
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: and guess about how much that would weigh, and then

937
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: put those together on chokers and attach it to the

938
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: load beam on the hook and then the helicopter flat off.

939
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: That was near our fish shack. They were doing a

940
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: helicopter logging for a couple of summers, and I pictured

941
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: it being that. I mean these are this is like

942
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: old growth cedar, western red cedar, hemlock. I mean, these

943
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: trees are no joke. They were probably running big aircraft

944
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: up there, weren't they twin like big twin. But I

945
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: thought they'd like lift the tree out right. I couldn't

946
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: believe in it'd come up out of those trees with

947
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: a bundle. Yeah, of trees you can't put your arm

948
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: brown right, and then lay them onto a barge when

949
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: they when they picked them up, those things never touched

950
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: land again. Man, it was amazing lay them on a barge.

951
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: The infrastructure they would build for logging, like one area

952
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: around your shack roads and like not a town, but

953
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: like a big gass camp for all the people to

954
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: stay at. That's when they're that's when they're doing like

955
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: the logging, like where they actually do a beach landing.

956
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: But the helicopter stuff is very like discreet relatively. But

957
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: I tell you what, man, it's hard to go through

958
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: the woods. When they get done. Yes, yeah, it looks like,

959
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: oh I just greased through there real quick. All the

960
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: tops and slash are all just piled everywhere. Oh god

961
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: man there, Oh my goodness. Yeah, I mean it is.

962
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: I think it's it's twice as hard because your mental

963
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: picture of like helicopter log game is they just plucked

964
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: a few trees out of the ground and it should

965
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: be easier because yeah, yeah, uh, while you're doing that,

966
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: you always want to get back into Yeah. I would

967
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: still you know, fart around a little bit on my own,

968
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: um remedial tanning projects. And what's that mean, just like

969
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: trying to do hometans like tan muskrat or something beaver

970
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: hide or coyote hide or something like that. But that's

971
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: not even part of text room anymore, right, Like you

972
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: don't do any tanning. I don't do any tanning in

973
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: the house unless it's like emergent and we have to

974
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: get something small tan like a deer cape or something.

975
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: Oh so you can do it, We can do it, yeah,

976
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: I just we just don't have time anymore. I didn't

977
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: realize you could. So there's no like as if you

978
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: have a taxidermy studio that's doing like a ton of business.

979
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: Is there a weight Like I don't want to like

980
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: dig too deep. I don't want to ask you like

981
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: a question like how much land you have and how

982
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,479
Speaker 1: many cattle run on it? But how many thinks like

983
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: like just give sort of like a ballpark of how

984
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: many pieces flow through your hands annually. Well, we just

985
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: got a confirmation yesterday that our hundred ninth black barrel

986
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 1: becoming in since April of last year. Just coming back

987
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: to you, just getting brought through the studio. So yeah,

988
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: we'll have a hundred nine under a year's time. Just

989
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: your studio will do a hundred nine black bears. And

990
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: that's just one species. Yep, that's just bears. Percent get

991
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: lost or sold for profit. Yeah, that's what you're not

992
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: selling our stuff, right, I'm like, I didn't know. Did

993
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: you see there's no money in that? You know how

994
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: there was like way more hunting and fishing activity due

995
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: to COVID. Did you get a lot more? Did your

996
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: just see like an uptick in business requests or anything?

997
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: Are you just like for uh, one of the big

998
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: things that COVID killed for us was as they shut

999
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: down Spring Bear for non residence. And we have tons

1000
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: of non residents that come up there up in your area.

1001
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: We have tons. I mean, we've got guys that have

1002
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: been coming up from Utah's we got we got a

1003
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: large following in Utah that come up to Libby and

1004
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: bears Heart special drawing versus over the counter. And uh

1005
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: so one guy they've been coming up. They missed one

1006
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: year since Mountain Saint Helen's erupted. They were there. Yeah,

1007
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: that's the only year they had missed since the year

1008
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: before erupted to that and or twenty and so that

1009
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: was there. That was a huge dip for US. Canada

1010
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: was closed down, so all the outfit, well, like you

1011
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: weren't getting local guys for you bringing bears. They killed

1012
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: in Canada. We've we've saturated the bear rug market for

1013
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: the local guys. You know, they only want so many

1014
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: of them, you know, so a lot of times most

1015
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: of the works from out of town. So do you

1016
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: are you? Do you imagine yourself now? Is like a

1017
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: bear specialist? Like, what's your specialty? I know your bears

1018
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: are called. I really like doing bears. Um that has

1019
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: always been whether it was a rugg or a life

1020
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: size or anything in between. I always really enjoyed working

1021
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: on bears, but I enjoyed doing every thing squashy pillows

1022
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: you do pillows? Oh that rug. Yeah, that's what Yanni's

1023
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: bringing a big bobcat. Explain that, explain that piece the pillow. Yeah,

1024
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: so that's not the right word for it though, Yeah, right,

1025
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: there's gotta be a better term for it. We Uh

1026
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: we had a guy come in and talk Dennis and

1027
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: I into doing a soft mounted coyote and we were like,

1028
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: no way. Anatomically, you just don't have the form. You

1029
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: can't make everything exact. So he finally wanted into a

1030
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: Teddy Bear like, just so it's pliable, soft head, like

1031
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: a full body mount, but soft. Yeah, so so I'll

1032
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: be like a Teddy Bear kind of kind of Okay,

1033
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 1: So we ended up doing it for this guy and

1034
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,439
Speaker 1: then he never showed up and we were like, oh man,

1035
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: well he never came back to it, never came back

1036
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: to get us. Now he got how much? How much

1037
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: you charge him? Honestly, I don't even know. Back then

1038
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: Dennis would have been in charge of what's industry standard

1039
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: for deposit Uh, well, it depends this case to case sometimes,

1040
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: just like for us right now, we're usually do a third.

1041
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: That's because vanish on you, though not so much anymore.

1042
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: Back in the day, we had more people like Americans

1043
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: are getting better. More people are committed to getting it,

1044
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: especially if they do put a deposit on it. That helped,

1045
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: so a third. I want to get back to this

1046
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: teddy bear thing about it, but like, but the deposit thing.

1047
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: Now that I know that it's such a thing that

1048
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: people will abandon you, um, I guess if you said

1049
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: it's full price, then you might send business to competitors.

1050
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:50,040
Speaker 1: A third will get them common back maybe and then usually, uh,

1051
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: what we started implementing is you put a third down.

1052
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: Once we receive your high back from the tannery, and

1053
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: we're getting ready to start your your product, than you

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01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: time to either paying full or put at least another

1055
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: third down. Now you're gonna start putting manual time into it. Yeah,

1056
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: that's a good system. It helps. And then at least

1057
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: the guy that calls you up and he's like, hey,

1058
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: I really want to get that done. I want to

1059
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: get that done, and how fast can you do it?

1060
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, I'll do it right away, and

1061
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: he's like, you know it's Christmas time, man. Yeah, oh yeah,

1062
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: that's not like okay, so now we have to make

1063
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: sure they're paying along in the way with you. Okay,

1064
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: So back to the coyote teddy bear. I imagine it's

1065
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: a soft tan and then you stitch it up like

1066
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: a balloon and then uh, you pick an orifice and

1067
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: shooting doctor get one of those things that blows in insulations.

1068
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: Exactly what I'm thinking. We never thought of that one

1069
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 1: that like to out the door. So we ended up

1070
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: with this, and I mean it could end up in

1071
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: the fun up old taxi to me calendar. I'm sure

1072
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't have any pictures of it. I don't keep

1073
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: that sht try to he's trying to stay out of

1074
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: the town. There. We had a car show coming to Libby.

1075
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,920
Speaker 1: It was a hot August nice is what it was called,

1076
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: and so there were some people coming through town. I'm

1077
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: very interested, but I'm trying to understand how did you

1078
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: get from the So this is how the pillow. Oh,

1079
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: the guy vanished. The guy vanished, But then you have

1080
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: the things sitting there. So we got sitting in the

1081
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: shop and now now I'm not into the car show.

1082
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: The car show people stopped by and this guy is like, wow,

1083
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 1: I love that thing, and we're like really, He's like,

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01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: can I borrow it and take it down to the

1085
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 1: car shows. I don't want to put it in my car.

1086
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, go ahead, you know whatever. So he

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01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: took it down there and then we had about a

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01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: half a dozen people come back from the car show

1089
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: and they're like, we want once for our hot I

1090
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: saw the most amazing kind and it was sleeping on

1091
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 1: the front seat of a Chevy, you know, in a

1092
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: way that was kind of laying down, curled up like

1093
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: a dog would be on a dog bed. Yep, I

1094
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 1: found any pictures of this. I found the video that

1095
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: A knew posting about it. But this, this was kayo one.

1096
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: This is suddenly amazing. It's a big difference. Suddenly you

1097
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: had a tax. This is unbelievable. This is not the one.

1098
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: No God, no, no, no, that's what that is amazing

1099
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: right now. But wait, let him hope. Those Ronella kids

1100
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,439
Speaker 1: aren't listening. They're going to ruin their Christmas. That's unbelievable.

1101
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: And he pioneered back so we and I know other

1102
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: people do it now, um, but that was just something

1103
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: we came up at the time. There might have been

1104
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: other people doing the same thing somewhere else, but as

1105
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: far as we know, we just totally made that ship up.

1106
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: Go to at Steven Ronnella on Instagram and see what

1107
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Okay, hot rods, hot rights. So we

1108
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: end up selling about a half a dozen more of

1109
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: us to hot riders, to hot rodders for car shows. Well,

1110
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: one of the one of the car show people owned

1111
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:06,160
Speaker 1: storefront from the parody shops, and they owned storefront engine

1112
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: most of the major airports around the country. What does

1113
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: that mean parody shops. It was just the name of

1114
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: a business. You know, when you like their gift shops

1115
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: and the airport, you probably but the word is like parody,

1116
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: like like mocking parodies. And so they called up and

1117
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: asked we'd ship one to Spokane, but it didn't spoke

1118
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: Ane International, so I'm not sure someone there, and then

1119
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: that it was sold just like instantly. So they ended

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01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: up ordering a few of them, and they sent me,

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01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 1: sent them to Texas, and we sent them to New York,

1122
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: and we sent him to Arizona and for years and

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01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: they went. They just went like crazy, and then started

1124
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: getting a little bit of a negative feedback, like I

1125
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 1: can't believe you guys have these animals on displaying the

1126
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: stores and stuff. So they finally just pulled back about

1127
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: about eight nine years ago. That's what I was going

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01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: to guess. It'd be like that company that was making

1129
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: the park Is with the Coyote rofan, they never had

1130
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: a ship fit. Texas was the last holdout. They finally

1131
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: they finally were like, yeah, they're gonna make us. Corporate

1132
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 1: was like, no, you guys have to pull the pan.

1133
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: So but Texas loved him. I'm surprised you haven't picked up.

1134
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm surprised someone hasn't assumed all that hasn't gotten

1135
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:17,640
Speaker 1: back into it. Well after Clay posted that video that

1136
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: was I think we got two million views on that

1137
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: thing on TikTok in like a week. It was getting

1138
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: more requests. We had eight hundred emails. Yeah, yeah, it was.

1139
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. So actually, uh, I got a silver

1140
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: Fox shipped in this week. I got two great Fox

1141
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: that we'll be leaving Monday morning from California, and I

1142
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: got a Kyote coming in from I think it was Ohio.

1143
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: So what we're just in case you don't go, no,

1144
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: just go look at the Instagram. But it's a I

1145
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: mean it looks like a damn Kyle landing there, curled

1146
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: up sleeping. They did not look like it originally? Can

1147
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: you guys pass like that? I don't think so. I

1148
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 1: don't know how I would patent that. You probably could

1149
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,520
Speaker 1: with like the materials that you use on the inside

1150
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: secret fill vacuum though the attachment. The heads have specific

1151
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: at that right, the heads for our pillows, whether we're

1152
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: doing the fox or the coyote of the wolf pillows

1153
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 1: are my own sculptings. So doing that that nobody else

1154
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: has the same look on theirs got trade secrets, if

1155
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: not necessarily better looking than somebody else's, but our our

1156
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 1: our look. How are those things going to hold up

1157
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: when your seven year old kids starts carrying around like

1158
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: they're quite durable? Um, that's a we get a really

1159
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: good tan on. It's a garment tan. It's like a

1160
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,520
Speaker 1: fur coat. You wouldn't want to get it wet. Um.

1161
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: You know, dog and shreds no matter of moments. So

1162
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: it's fairly fragile. But my dog will be scared of

1163
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: that for five years before she realized, she's like, you

1164
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 1: know what, that thing never does ship ever? I have

1165
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: beaver would be cool? Have you done a soft little beaver? Well? There,

1166
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: we did a lot of different things. Now it's pretty

1167
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 1: much just canine family. It's hard to do other stuff,

1168
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, the like a beaver curled up. Yeah, I

1169
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: don't picture of curling up like that with a big

1170
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: fuzzy table over their nose. Yeah. And I did a

1171
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: badger and it looked you know Canada. I'm like, I

1172
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: did a John just for your listeners at home. John

1173
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: just made uncomfortable stance. He looks uncomfortable. I pictured like

1174
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 1: a badger. Uh in like August laying along the road.

1175
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: They got hit. It's like, but its eyes were all

1176
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 1: open and clean, but it looked a lot like that. Hey,

1177
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: what do you mess her? All? Fish? I used to

1178
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: do fish? Now I I outsourced my fish to another

1179
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: tax fromers that I know. Um, I feel like it's

1180
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: like like fish tax to me, in my view, has

1181
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: ceased to be a thing. There's a lot of skin mounts.

1182
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: There's no part of the fish. If you like, I

1183
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 1: can still get a skin mountain down through my my

1184
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: friend Bill. Um, he stilled as skin mounts. You still

1185
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: can do it for real? Yep. Can I tell you

1186
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: funny story about a buddy mine buddy mind his tax dermis.

1187
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: He had a guy bring him. He's in he's over

1188
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 1: in Miles City. He's not in the business anymore, but

1189
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: he was. Uh. He had a guy snaggle paddlefish out

1190
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: on the Yellowstone and wraps in a wet sleep bag okay,

1191
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: and brings it to him. He didn't want to lose

1192
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: any weight, so it's wraps and a wet sleep bag,

1193
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: brings it to him, wanting to get it mounted. He

1194
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: takes a bunch of pictures, a bunch of measurements, and

1195
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: takes it down and lets it go in the river.

1196
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: That paddlefish swam away. Honestly, on a fish like that,

1197
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: I would definitely do a reproduction to difficult work on

1198
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,120
Speaker 1: something that size and keep it stable, and yeah, I

1199
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: know I would definitely. I feel like that's why I

1200
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: say like it ceased to be a thing. Is I

1201
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 1: don't really get it. There's still you catch a bass.

1202
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: I can see like you're commemorating it by getting a replica.

1203
01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: But if a client called you, Let's say a client

1204
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,600
Speaker 1: called you and said, hey, man, um, I want a

1205
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: tampon large mouth mhmm, yeah, you'd just be like, okay, here,

1206
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: We've done that a lot. So it's it's like there's

1207
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 1: no is there what is it is? It is basically

1208
01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: a painting. Um. We did a seeing a guy for

1209
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: it was out of Hamilton's he wanted to have it

1210
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: was a brick trout, brown trout, rainbow cutthroat, and a

1211
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: bull trout. No mountain whitefish, no mountain whitefish that he

1212
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: wanted those trout all on artificial like a button the

1213
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 1: river bottom. Is there a reason like that's different? Well,

1214
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: is there like an actual reason where a skin mount

1215
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: would look better than one of those reproductions? No? No, no,

1216
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 1: they're the casting technology. The the injection molding for casting

1217
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: has come a long way, so the scale, detail and

1218
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: everything's just spot on. And when you're painting those things

1219
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: from a picture, you're like paying attention to little details

1220
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: and do you paint them? I used to paint fish. Yeah,

1221
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: who doesn't know one of my he's a colleague on Bill.

1222
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: He he was the guy that kind of pioneered the

1223
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 1: cast at head for fish. So like when you're when

1224
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: they're first phasing towards more of the reproduction, the head

1225
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: on a lot of fish taxs dur Me is like

1226
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: you look at old fish, it starts to get where

1227
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: the paint you see, like the bleed in the paint

1228
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: where the oils are popping the finishes coming off. You

1229
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: can't you can't really clean parts of the guilt plates

1230
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: out getting there. You just can't clean all the organic

1231
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 1: material out of the head. So over time those oils

1232
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: can leach back through and pop the paint off. Oh,

1233
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: when you say clean, you don't mean dust it off

1234
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: from the original to get it prepared like the actual tissue.

1235
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: And so he started doing he'd just take your fish

1236
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: and cast its own head. Well, he had done so

1237
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: many of them he started having tons of mold. So yeah,

1238
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 1: he was He was pretty much the guy that started

1239
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: the whole cast at head m and that that was

1240
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: that was a huge step in itself. Yeah, you know this,

1241
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: See this opens up weird, Like there's nothing I want

1242
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: to say. It's not like an ethical thing. It's just

1243
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: like a sort of like what is the thing and

1244
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 1: what is not the thing? But talk about casting of

1245
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: horns and nailers. There's no way to prevent uh, just

1246
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: making up a fish. Whereas if you bring right, yes,

1247
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: not not a a mish, which would like that, but

1248
01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 1: that'd be a mouse. But right, it's like I'm just

1249
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: providing you with the species a picture and here are

1250
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: my measurements, right, or a lot of times so you

1251
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: get it. Like I think it was about like twelve

1252
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: to fifteen pounds. Okay. Has anyone come in and introduced

1253
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: the idea of there being a um, I don't know,

1254
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: man like a like a certification of some sort. Now

1255
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: that there's no part of a fish in a fish

1256
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 1: that there is like a yes, this fish was a

1257
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: thing like legitimizes fishing tails, right, so like fish tax

1258
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,760
Speaker 1: I just now I look at it, like when I

1259
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: look at the stuffed white tail, right, first thing in

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01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: my mind is I gotta know more, Like I don't know, right,

1261
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: So you just go by big dead white by big

1262
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: white tails and little pastures and shoot them. You know,

1263
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: you see a big gass moves You're like, that's cool

1264
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 1: because only one place that which is out in the woods,

1265
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: you know. And when I see a fish, I'm like,

1266
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 1: I have no idea, dude, Yeah there's And it's like

1267
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: I said, it totally legitimizes all fishing tails. Whatever you want.

1268
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: Is there a thing in taxidermy like making synthetic antlers?

1269
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:58,560
Speaker 1: Like just um like maybe making a mold of and

1270
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: said a mule deer antlers. Yeah, make that's the one

1271
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: I want the same. Yeah. Um. Usually like it only

1272
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: happens on like that, right, like it's some state record

1273
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: or world record or just some repre deficit. And then

1274
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: then there's well for the deer tour, we only use

1275
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: real deer, like that's they're all what the tour, the

1276
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 1: meal deer tour that travels aroun the country. Eastman's used

1277
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: to put it on a lot. That's all real dear.

1278
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: That is all real dear. And if they don't know

1279
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: where it came from and who harvested it, doesn't make

1280
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 1: the tour. So they it's like, yeah, it's more of

1281
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: a historical you know, taking out of old collections or

1282
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: people find them. You know, Granddad had it thrown in

1283
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: the barn and they take it off and I still

1284
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 1: have a tag on it and a little when it

1285
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: was harvested, who harvested where it came from? And then

1286
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: we put brand new mounts underneath them and take them

1287
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 1: on tour around the country. M hm. And you're involved

1288
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: in that. I do all the deer for that tour.

1289
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: Dan Woodbridge is the owner of it, and then I'm

1290
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: the tax fromis that does all the mountains that travel around.

1291
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: You've done all the mounts. Yeah, what's the biggest mule

1292
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: do you ever mounted around? I can't even imagine, man.

1293
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: And at that point everything's custom right because like there's

1294
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: not a lot of mule you're walking around, so you're

1295
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: building your own forms and stuff. We can still get

1296
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 1: forms that are close with a minor alteration. Um so

1297
01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: in reality, yeah, that that form does not match up

1298
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: to what that deer was originally. But you're not going

1299
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 1: to find a cape that was of that size to

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01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 1: worry about getting on that forum anyway. So you just

1301
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,640
Speaker 1: start with the absolute biggest primused mulder cape you can.

1302
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: We get a lot of amount of Canada and then

1303
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 1: just go from there. What's wrong with the cave that

1304
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:48,440
Speaker 1: was on it? Most of them are deteriorated or just antlers.

1305
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: Like in the tour I got you, you're you're recreating,

1306
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 1: not recreating. You're putting new caves on old antlers. Yet

1307
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 1: what's the And I was I was gonna ask you,

1308
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: what's the biggest most common mistake people make when they're

1309
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: bringing stuff to the taxi? Germist? But just like, what

1310
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: are the mistakes people make when they're bringing stuff, and

1311
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: they're like, I want to get this mounted. Like uh

1312
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 1: like to say like deer rise, yeah, any whatever. I

1313
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: don't know, that's common one. Most people that hundle get

1314
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: a deer and probably one amount of at some point.

1315
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: I would say common mistakes would be dragging it, like

1316
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: dragging it around and wear all the hair off on

1317
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 1: one side of it, um cutting its throat after you

1318
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 1: shoot it and then want us to amount it, and

1319
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,759
Speaker 1: it's hard to get it right. Again. It's very difficult

1320
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: to hide to cut throat because you kept through all

1321
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 1: the hair. I mean, if you poked in and went

1322
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 1: under and cut out, it wouldn't be as bad. But

1323
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,479
Speaker 1: when he just they lay the knife across it and

1324
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: cut all the hair off and you have to jump

1325
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: up to get past that. So it creates a pinch point. Yeah,

1326
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 1: I want to let me, let me. I want to

1327
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: dwell on that for a second. Just explain me talk

1328
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: about the people. Is that if you take a like

1329
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 1: let's say you want to cut into a deer. Um,

1330
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: if you cut from the leather up right, yep, the

1331
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 1: knife passes through all the hair parts out of the way.

1332
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 1: But sometimes take a knife and try to make an

1333
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,160
Speaker 1: incision in a deer coming down through it, hair everywhere

1334
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: a little Yeah, you cut through all the hair and

1335
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 1: create like shaving stuffing. Yeah, it's interesting to me that

1336
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 1: the throat cut is still around. That was like something

1337
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: that was prominent youth did. Oh it was a lot

1338
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: of guys were just like they yeah that you bleed it. Yeah,

1339
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: never mind, you just like put a thirty calber bull

1340
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: through its lungungs, right, there's like a cord of blood

1341
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: laying in their loose. It's just you then go bleed

1342
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 1: it to Yeah, well finishing it off, that's another one.

1343
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: Bring it in, shoot it through the face after it's

1344
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: been to dispatch it, and then want us to mount it.

1345
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 1: And it looks like that, you know, he's just going

1346
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 1: into a bar and it's missing half of his Can

1347
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: I open us up? Sorry? Whose bears that? It was

1348
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: a guy that used to work for me. Yeah, shot

1349
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: it and I was just, I don't know, morbidly curious

1350
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 1: on what the skull looked like, so I had it cleaned. Jeez,

1351
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: inter resting. That's cool though, right, So what are we

1352
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: looking at? We got a black beard. It's missing the

1353
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: back of his head. A black beard skull. They got

1354
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: shot ultramega. Was he trying to hit it there peeking

1355
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 1: up over a log? Oh I see, Oh yeah, that

1356
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: brain is he didn't go far short short blood trail.

1357
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 1: One of the kind of mistakes cutting through it, cutting throat,

1358
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: cutting a cape too short, old older style like in

1359
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: the like. I'm sure a lot of the ones that

1360
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: you guys get seen sent in for the old text.

1361
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: For me, it's a neck mount, not a shoulder mount,

1362
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: and so people end up cutting it really high up

1363
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: on the shoulder, like no brisket left on it, and

1364
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: so then you just don't have enough cape to ask

1365
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: you want them to, like if they're going to keepe

1366
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: it like way back on the start, start basically at

1367
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 1: the sternum and go all the way around. Is it

1368
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: right that it's hard to get when someone messes up

1369
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: the arm pits. It's hard to get it back right again.

1370
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: If it's there, No, if they cut up and then

1371
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 1: that piece is missing, then yes. But if they just

1372
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: make an incorrect cut but the hide is there, a

1373
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 1: lot of times will end up on the side and

1374
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: then you pull it back in and sew the leg

1375
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: back together and split the leg down the side. Hey, Steve,

1376
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:21,760
Speaker 1: you know what we should do. We should come up

1377
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: with new bandanas that show how you should properly skin

1378
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 1: and cape certain critters if you want to take them

1379
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: to who I think you're putting the artist category. They

1380
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 1: do a lot of Africa stuff and for a lot

1381
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:41,759
Speaker 1: of people who want like full He's like, I spend

1382
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: a lot of my time reconstructing penis sheaths, genitals like

1383
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: on full bodies, because folks, are you used to just

1384
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: cutting them out? M hmm, And especially on African stuff

1385
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: where it's very short hair. I mean it looks like

1386
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: kindall you'd be something that you would notice, you know,

1387
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,680
Speaker 1: it would be very obvious. So yeah, trying to reconstruct

1388
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: all that, you're like something I can't quite figure out

1389
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 1: what it is, but something's missing. What Why does have

1390
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: you done much of Africa stuff? Why does uh? Like

1391
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: why do elephants and hippos always look so phony? They

1392
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: look like theybe like a poxyed? A lot of them

1393
01:22:26,160 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: are phony. So it's like whole fishing rightly? What do

1394
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,839
Speaker 1: you got there? This will be this is a supply catalog.

1395
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can find African in here. Yeah,

1396
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:42,719
Speaker 1: it's like if you looking at a text every collection

1397
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,560
Speaker 1: in some big game room and you see that and

1398
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: you're like, yea, look, look looks like like you got

1399
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 1: it from a plastic injection molding place. Yeah, the rhinos,

1400
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 1: the hippos, elephants, a lot of them are. Really they're

1401
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 1: on the same. I don't know what's in here somewhere

1402
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 1: like a tannery. I wouldn't imagine would have a hard

1403
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: time doing that though, Like where's your vat to treat?

1404
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:09,560
Speaker 1: There's elephant. There's a there's a lot of tanneries that

1405
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:15,719
Speaker 1: will do it. You can see full life size reproduction elephant.

1406
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:18,680
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, yeah, there you are. You just buy the

1407
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: whole damn elephant and then you just screw those tusks

1408
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: in there and put their tusks in it. You gotta

1409
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: have a special house for that thing. Parkman doesn't say

1410
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: how much it costs. Oh there it is. Have you

1411
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: ever done an elephant? Just elephant foot footstools? Guess what

1412
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: you pay if you want an elephant e l P

1413
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: five zero zero slash five before shipping that sucker is

1414
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: ten grand. Yeah, that's a good guess. Ten thousand two

1415
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: bucks and YouTube can have gotten an elephant. And is

1416
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: that what's the material for that body mold. It's kind

1417
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 1: of like a fiberglass. Oh look at this. You just

1418
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 1: buy a whole damn elephant. Mm hmm. The whole fake

1419
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 1: elephant is eight thollars eighty seven thousand dollars and fifty cents.

1420
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 1: And it's just an elephant. And they don't even compu shipping,

1421
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 1: just an elephant, and then you have to put it together. Yeah,

1422
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 1: for nine bucks, you could have a not real elephant

1423
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: standing in your house. Be a fun thing to do

1424
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 1: with the kids. Like, it's like a giant lego. I

1425
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: could cut my entire house and it still won't fit.

1426
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 1: That's incredible. That's why it looks so bad. Yeah, Like

1427
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: so that's becoming more more normal normalized now. A lot

1428
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:48,360
Speaker 1: of reproduction stuff you do take that business. You know,

1429
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,520
Speaker 1: I have yet to have to order one of those, um,

1430
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: but it definitely could come up. I'm thinking pent up front,

1431
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: paid in full and we order it. Yeah. So when

1432
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: you let's walk through a deer so dear, how dear?

1433
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:12,160
Speaker 1: What happens to a dear? So guy shoots deer? Um,

1434
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,679
Speaker 1: Let's say he guts it up to the sternum, drags

1435
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: in his truck, brings it over and says, I want

1436
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 1: to get my dear a shoulder mountain. Walk me through.

1437
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: What happens? What do you do? We'll have one of

1438
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: the guys go out there and skin the cape off

1439
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: for him at that point. I'm just to make sure

1440
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: that makes our life easier at that point. And you

1441
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:31,599
Speaker 1: prefer it that way, because now you know what you're

1442
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: dealing with. Yes, you know, it's the cuts usually, uh,

1443
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: one of the other mistakes I see a lot of time,

1444
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 1: and it's it's not really that big of an issue

1445
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: on most deer mounts, but guys will start at the

1446
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,840
Speaker 1: middle of the back and cut up to the base

1447
01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 1: of the skull. That's what I thought you're supposed to do,

1448
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 1: and he kept from the base of the skull down.

1449
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: So you go with the hair so that parts out

1450
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: of the way, and if you're going up sometimes it'll

1451
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 1: still catch the hair and cut one side off. I had.

1452
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 1: What is So you prefer starting at the forehead and

1453
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: go back, start right at the base of the skull

1454
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: and go down to where you're circumfortence where you make

1455
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: the cut all the way around the body and then

1456
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 1: like and like to beating them out. I mean unless

1457
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,639
Speaker 1: you're so that's a good question to ask your artists

1458
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: at that time if they prefer a short wine decision

1459
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: or if they do the full dorsal cut down the back.

1460
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: So you guys really like this artist Norman Clature. Well,

1461
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: it's it's more applicable nowadays. What do you what do

1462
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:27,719
Speaker 1: you recommend? What do you recommend for antelope in the field?

1463
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 1: So their hair falls out so easy, it falls out

1464
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: really easy, and they blood stain. So that's one of

1465
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: the most common things we see with antalope is the

1466
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 1: blood staining around the face. Um, if you get your

1467
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 1: antelope and you know you're going to mount it, take

1468
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: some paper towels or toilet paper. You cut a bit

1469
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: of your band an up and get it plugged. Take

1470
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: your canteen and get the blood off as quick as

1471
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: you can because it goes inside the hair. When you

1472
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 1: say plugg what do you mean like fill the nose up,

1473
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: fill them out out so he's not out into the hair. Yeah,

1474
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,519
Speaker 1: you can carry some of that quick clots up with you. Man,

1475
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: you can't wash it out once. If it sits there

1476
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: long enough, it actually draws into the hair follicle, so

1477
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: it's inside the hair showing through the hair. Yeah, so

1478
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: there's no no getting it out, and it'll do it

1479
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 1: like you see like on the shoulder mount you see

1480
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 1: the darker spots by the shoulder, that's another spot. You know.

1481
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: Just you can't just like peroxide it out because you

1482
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: can get so many other colors next to it, and

1483
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 1: it would you'd have to fry the hair's like you said,

1484
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,640
Speaker 1: proxy would lighten the outside of the hair. But the

1485
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: bloods on the inside showing through because it's like that,

1486
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: like this is like kind of particular to antelope and

1487
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 1: like sheep, doll, sheep, that's the one that we see

1488
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,799
Speaker 1: a lot. You know, guys just don't know they're coded

1489
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: in blood. It's too late. Yeah, yeah, and then it

1490
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: has soaks in like that quarter inch you had that

1491
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: halo and if you just part the hair bag is

1492
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 1: beautiful white, but it's got that frosted brown on the outside.

1493
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: Is it okay? Just like go down to a cold

1494
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 1: as creak and throw it in the air and try

1495
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: to just get it all out right away and then

1496
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: just get it hung up and get the water off

1497
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: of it, get it drying back out again. But yeah,

1498
01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: so if you got to anlopeate that blood and it

1499
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: you can just turn a hose it. Just that's better

1500
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,679
Speaker 1: than leaving it. That's better than leaving it bloody. Yeah,

1501
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: you just gotta make sure you get it back to dry.

1502
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 1: You know, you wouldn't want to do that then throw

1503
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:09,719
Speaker 1: it in a bag because it's still gonna be leaching

1504
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:11,640
Speaker 1: out more blood from a tissue at that point. So

1505
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 1: you want to rinse the hair off and get it

1506
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 1: hanging to where the water runs off. Finally, yeah, if

1507
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,680
Speaker 1: if you leave the skull in it, Yeah, what do

1508
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 1: you what do you what's a good way to plug

1509
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: it with? What? Paper? Towels? Toilet paper? About like vasiline?

1510
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: You know, like when you have like UFC fights and

1511
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 1: then it gets his his uh you know, something in

1512
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,560
Speaker 1: his face split and they pack it with some I

1513
01:28:32,600 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't put that on an antelope just because it would

1514
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: probably soak that oil up into the hair. Also, you

1515
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,639
Speaker 1: mentioned leaving the skull, and I'm assuming you on any

1516
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 1: big game animal if someone doesn't know what they're doing,

1517
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 1: like just leave the head like the head unskinned. Yeah,

1518
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean that ideally, Yeah, um, for our benefit, but

1519
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,080
Speaker 1: I understand, you know, when you shoot an elk four

1520
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 1: miles from the truck and you're gonna mount it and

1521
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 1: not do a European You're like, should I carry the

1522
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: twenty five pound block? Is all out with me or not?

1523
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: So it you know that you don't have to make

1524
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: that call yourself at some point on what you want

1525
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: to do. I carry it actual scalpel. I mean I

1526
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 1: used to, and now I don't walk around anything. But yeah,

1527
01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 1: I had like a separate little kit inside my other

1528
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,720
Speaker 1: kit for doing faces and ye pause and stuff for

1529
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 1: bears and stuff. But that was it was a good

1530
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: way to kind of get some of your your own

1531
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: alone time too, because yeah, antelope is my number one

1532
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: uh mounted animal. Like there, it's a really pretty mountain.

1533
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 1: They're pretty animals. They're small, so you can fit them

1534
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: in a lot of different places and if they fall

1535
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 1: off the wall, they're not gonna kill anybody, right, I

1536
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,760
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of pros and the Antelope mountain. Yeah,

1537
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 1: that's why. That's why I asked, because that's like the

1538
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 1: one thing that I want to get. Shoulder mounts. Yeah,

1539
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 1: I have like us probably over half a dozen floating

1540
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 1: around Massoula. I've given away over there. Yeah, because I

1541
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: was like living out of my truck. You have to clients. Yeah, yeah,

1542
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 1: did you did you write your name on the back

1543
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: of him? Well, a buddy mine just called me. He's like, hey,

1544
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,559
Speaker 1: come over and do some framing for me and get

1545
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:27,680
Speaker 1: these fucking Antiope, so I might do that mcmig donation.

1546
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: That should be an upcoming Yeah, all right, So the

1547
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: guy shows up, you have one of your folks go out,

1548
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:41,320
Speaker 1: one of your artists keeps it. Then there you are.

1549
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 1: You gotta keeped out, dear and bring it back in

1550
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 1: the shop and then we'll actually take the skull out

1551
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: of it at that point and turn the ears inside out,

1552
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: turn your lips, your nostrils, your eyelids, remove all the

1553
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 1: excess flesh from it fat and then bury it in salt.

1554
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 1: And you're doing that over a fleshing beam um on

1555
01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 1: a deer a lot of times. Yeah, but if I

1556
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: skin myself a lot of time, there's really not much

1557
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 1: to clean skin, which if you get enough practice at it,

1558
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,640
Speaker 1: it's it's very legit, very viable way to do it.

1559
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: But when you're first started as a pretty high risk

1560
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:13,200
Speaker 1: way of cutting a lot of holes in your deer,

1561
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: it's here, it's Okay to leave a little fat meat

1562
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: on there. If you're starting to, like I'm getting kind

1563
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: of close to cutting, just leave it on there. It's

1564
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 1: not a big deal. Someone will get it off later.

1565
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 1: You prefer to do them clean. Salting is a weird deal.

1566
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:31,120
Speaker 1: There's a lot of misconception. Yeah, I remember it. Well.

1567
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 1: Here's the thing I don't get is I used to

1568
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:41,639
Speaker 1: sell for for bear for at the um this thing

1569
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: called Ravanna for auction, and there every lot gets bit on, right,

1570
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,960
Speaker 1: but deer when you brought deer, you could also sell

1571
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 1: deer at the Ravana for our auction. And the first

1572
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 1: deer that came up, they bid on it, and that

1573
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 1: was the price for every deer that came through the door.

1574
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: And these are just deer hides of people pulled off,

1575
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 1: and I mean the bulk of them. People open it

1576
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 1: up and dump a I don't think of moreton table

1577
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: salt on. But then I just thought it was like

1578
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 1: normal practice. So I later learned that doesn't do anybody

1579
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: any good. No, no, Like, it's gotta be clean. It's

1580
01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: got to be clean. Like you could have a quarter

1581
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 1: inch piece of meat on a deer hide and salt

1582
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 1: of work, right, through it, but an eighth of an

1583
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: inch of fat and it creates that oil barrier and

1584
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,320
Speaker 1: it never gets to this the actual epidermal layer to

1585
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: pull that moisture out and set the hair, and the

1586
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 1: hair will slip anyway. Got you? So do you get

1587
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff like some guy skins bear. It's

1588
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 1: got fat meat all over and he poured salt all

1589
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 1: over the head and at the feet and it's still

1590
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 1: They pour a bag of rock salt on it, roll

1591
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: it up and send it. Yeah, does it make your

1592
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: job harder? Yes? Yes, you really don't want people salt

1593
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 1: and stuff. You can trying to keep an edge on

1594
01:32:52,720 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 1: a knife fleshing through salt. You know you're like that

1595
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 1: was that? Stroke a bag up? Make a couple of

1596
01:32:58,240 --> 01:32:59,880
Speaker 1: cats stroke it back up? What do you use for

1597
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: a knife? A lot of times when refleshing bears, I

1598
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 1: use a shaving wheel? Um, actual bench mounted shaving wheel. UM.

1599
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: I can't picture you're talking about. Is that a Is

1600
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: that a skinning tool or like a work to it?

1601
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 1: It's actually just for removing flesh and shaving like a

1602
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 1: shaving a tan tide down? Is it on an angle grinder? No,

1603
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 1: it's it's a different beast, you know what you're talking about? That. Yeah,

1604
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: it's like one of those you know. It's like I'm

1605
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 1: I'm picturing like a like a big gas meat slicer wheel.

1606
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, No, that's not what I was picturing.

1607
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 1: I was picturing like a like a wheel, like one

1608
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 1: of those things you like a grinder you mount on

1609
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: your on your work bench that has like the grinding

1610
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: wheels on mane flushing table. Probably gotta figure out how

1611
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 1: to use that thing before you get started. Oh yeah,

1612
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: that there's there's a curve on that one. I can't

1613
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: really picture. Always the new guys they like if they

1614
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 1: shoot their own deer, you know, I'm like, you can

1615
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 1: practice on that because you will make a hole like

1616
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: that big. Just yeah. People can picture like a deli

1617
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: like a deli slicer. It's the blade of a deli

1618
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: slicer mountain on top of a workbench and you walk

1619
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 1: up that some bit and tried to cut your hand

1620
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:14,120
Speaker 1: off and like keep the blade between the Yeah you

1621
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 1: got yeah, because there's there's a guard on it, but

1622
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:19,759
Speaker 1: it's still exposed, so you just the only real guards

1623
01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: and you're just running it down there and like guiding

1624
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 1: it through the Wow. Have you ever done a beaver

1625
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: hide with one of those or something? Oh? Yeah? For

1626
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:30,960
Speaker 1: me it is a couple of my guys like it.

1627
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 1: A couple of them don't. How fast could you do

1628
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 1: a beaver with that thing? Like a freshwa still kind

1629
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: of fatty a couple of minutes. I think we need

1630
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:40,799
Speaker 1: I think we need a beaver pillow. We know, oh

1631
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: you know said he doesn't like pillows. It's not but

1632
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: maybe it's not curled up. Maybe it's like I don't know,

1633
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 1: this bird flasher, that's what I was picturing. Yep, it

1634
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 1: was like the wire wire wire wheel. I think we're

1635
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 1: doing a I think we're doing a live show coming

1636
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 1: up in buildings. This is there'll be special for Cal

1637
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: like a homecoming for Ocal. We're gonna do a live

1638
01:35:03,240 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: show come up for Billings. What my vision of it is,

1639
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: it's a lot of comp ticuts over there. It's a

1640
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 1: whole thing. Uh. When the curtain opens, I want the

1641
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: curtain open will be like a play and there's gonna

1642
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: be Seth at his fleshing beam, and there's gonna be

1643
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 1: like our normal scene. And off in the corner is

1644
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: one of those theater spotlights. And the whole time. So

1645
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fleshing on a flesh and beam with

1646
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 1: a spotlight on. It's gonna be so beautiful. Canna be great?

1647
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:41,759
Speaker 1: What about the flesh A mini flesher, it's it's basically

1648
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 1: a die grinder and has got that little blade on there.

1649
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,160
Speaker 1: This is I gotta play with one of them once.

1650
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,640
Speaker 1: I was terrifying. Yeah, I'll tell you that one. I

1651
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 1: could ruin so much ship with that so fast. They

1652
01:35:54,880 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 1: got a blaster and master blaster dryers. Reminds of this

1653
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 1: reminds me very much of like when you're like, why

1654
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 1: why would I ever pay somebody to mount the bindings

1655
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 1: to my skis? And then the first thing you do

1656
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 1: is you drill through the ski and you're like it'll

1657
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: be fine. Uh so what knights you use skinning? Like?

1658
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 1: Do you use replaceable razors? Are you sitting there with

1659
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 1: a strap like in the old days? I pretty much

1660
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 1: just sit with a strap like the old days and

1661
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,759
Speaker 1: keep a steel right next to me. Um the Victor Knox.

1662
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 1: So you like those commercial you know they're inexpensive, and uh,

1663
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 1: you're sharpening constantly like on a in the spring bear.

1664
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean you'll use pretty much one knife from brand

1665
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 1: new to garbage in a week, just sharpening, sharping, and

1666
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 1: you put a hell of an edge on those things.

1667
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: But it just doesn't stay for long. But if you're

1668
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 1: doing a strap anyways, you know what you're doing. We

1669
01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 1: can get I can I can skin out a whole

1670
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: bear with one without having to go actually back to

1671
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 1: a stone on it. If you just keep working it

1672
01:36:59,560 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: on them, deal or straw whatever. Stay away from you know,

1673
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 1: scraping it on the bones and stuff like that. Just

1674
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 1: stay to the flesh. Acts pretty doable. I want to

1675
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: get back to our following our theoretical deer through the process.

1676
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:14,280
Speaker 1: But I want to ask you a bearer question. When

1677
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: a guy brings you a whole bear, um what like

1678
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 1: you get the hide, but then he's got to come

1679
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 1: right back over and bring his meat down and process

1680
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 1: it or pick it up or whatever? Right yes? Or

1681
01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 1: does he does he? You just have him staying there

1682
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: while you do it. A lot of times you all

1683
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 1: just have them wait if they're going to take because

1684
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 1: you want and everything. We have a list of people

1685
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: they'll contact us from around the Liby area that want

1686
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:41,600
Speaker 1: bear meat. I do like, if you have anybody that

1687
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:43,640
Speaker 1: doesn't want their bear meat, give us a call. So

1688
01:37:43,680 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 1: then if I know somebody, yeah, I bet I donated

1689
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: probably to thirty of them last spring. That's awesome. Yeah,

1690
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:52,880
Speaker 1: how they come, they just come, get the whole thing

1691
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: on the carcass yep. And if they're going to come,

1692
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, it is very nice for them to provide

1693
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 1: that service for us to act like show up when

1694
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 1: they say they're going to show up. So if I

1695
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: get somebody that I know is gonna actually do what

1696
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 1: they said they're going to, I'll just quarter it out,

1697
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: pull the backstraps out of it and stuff, get it

1698
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 1: all bagged up. So and then all they all right.

1699
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,240
Speaker 1: So our dear you said throwing a bucket of salt,

1700
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: not sprinkle the jar of Morton's table salt on there. No,

1701
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 1: I use a fairly coarse ground salt. It's not rock salt,

1702
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 1: but it's a mixed mixing salt for hey, um yeah,

1703
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:30,679
Speaker 1: as we just lay it out on the mixing salt

1704
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 1: for hay, for livestock. It's just a course kill. Yeah,

1705
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,560
Speaker 1: I see. And you just get it laid out on

1706
01:38:38,600 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 1: the floor flat, make sure there's no folds in it,

1707
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 1: so it's like it's amazing how many guys when you're

1708
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 1: first teaching them to salt that actually make a mistake.

1709
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 1: It's like, you just have to get salt on all

1710
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 1: of it. That's it. There's like no technique, just salt

1711
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 1: on all of it. And they'll be like they'll forget

1712
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 1: to fold the face back and so the face will

1713
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 1: be stuck down. My kids arguing about what a clean

1714
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:02,439
Speaker 1: plate looks like. I'm no, no, you'll know you're done

1715
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:08,559
Speaker 1: because there'll be nothing like that, right, it'll be very obvious,

1716
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:25,640
Speaker 1: the opposite of the way. You're getting closer. I see

1717
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 1: assault on everything, on everything. You can't overdo it. Nope,

1718
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 1: you can't overdo it. So I leave I usually leave

1719
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 1: it in the salt twenty four hours. Then i'll take

1720
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 1: it out for using a salty table. It'll drain, is

1721
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:38,840
Speaker 1: that of incline, so it's interesting. It'll run if we

1722
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:40,840
Speaker 1: if we don't like big items were doing on the floor,

1723
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of good coming off there, a

1724
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 1: lot of moisture. Yeah, you'll you'll see it, like when

1725
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:46,040
Speaker 1: we're doing the bears and you get like four or

1726
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 1: five six bears stacked up in salt, you'll see the

1727
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: trail of water running off the pile towards the floor drains.

1728
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 1: I got interrupted from it. This conversation just reminami is

1729
01:39:55,479 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 1: something the time, very time since theive issue. Did you

1730
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 1: apply for the Idaho spring Bragger spressure special draw? No,

1731
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Jimmy's giant trout was in the smoker. Hey,

1732
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 1: can you run out and uh grab that those fish

1733
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 1: flames out of that smoker real quick. I left him

1734
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:22,519
Speaker 1: in there and it's been probably too long. Grab a

1735
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 1: hot grab a hot pad, and just open that cabinet.

1736
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:27,880
Speaker 1: It looks like a cabinet. It's next to the grill.

1737
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 1: Just open the door and it's all on one wire rack.

1738
01:40:31,000 --> 01:40:33,880
Speaker 1: So you just pull the wire rack out and then

1739
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,719
Speaker 1: just set it on top of the grill or something

1740
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:41,600
Speaker 1: because it'll be it'll be it'll be uh smell like

1741
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 1: smoke fish for a few minutes. But just lay it

1742
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:47,719
Speaker 1: outside to cool. Sorry about that. Yeah, the salting table.

1743
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 1: How made me think it will smoke fish? Good? Uh?

1744
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: Where were we salting table? Oh? So when it's done

1745
01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 1: salting um, it's wet, yes, so can it. So when

1746
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 1: we've taken we have racks that we assemble and assemble

1747
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 1: throughout the seasons, and you just put a new rung

1748
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 1: on the rack and then he drape him over the

1749
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:10,599
Speaker 1: rack and then let him start drying out like at night,

1750
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 1: will turn the heat up and put fans out. Next

1751
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 1: morning you should be able to fold it and then

1752
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:17,639
Speaker 1: eventually you have it folded up into a nice little

1753
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: package like rock hard dry because you know, at that

1754
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 1: point is it like pretty much archival. Remember guys showing

1755
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:28,000
Speaker 1: me a text Romans I used to know had a

1756
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:31,439
Speaker 1: zebra that he had killed. I feel like he told

1757
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 1: me that he had killed it seven years earlier. But

1758
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:38,120
Speaker 1: I mean this thing was like rock hard. Yeah, just

1759
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: salt crusted in rock hard. And he was not worried

1760
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,599
Speaker 1: about it. He's like, you got soaked the piss out

1761
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 1: of that thing to get it back to life. And

1762
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 1: as long as it's in a spot where nothing like

1763
01:41:47,160 --> 01:41:50,559
Speaker 1: mice insects don't get to it, um, it'd lasting. Definitely,

1764
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:53,680
Speaker 1: really keep it dry, man, don't let anything eat it

1765
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 1: mid last, definitely. So if deer season is running hot

1766
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:00,240
Speaker 1: and heavy, that's what you guys are doing. Oh yeah,

1767
01:42:00,479 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 1: your skin in salting drying. And this spring bear season

1768
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 1: is historically the busiest season for my studio because you

1769
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:14,719
Speaker 1: guys are in like bear central. Yeah. Do you guys

1770
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:19,719
Speaker 1: get more bears than dear? Oh yeah, yeah definitely. Um.

1771
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:23,760
Speaker 1: This year we were after everything started taking back off,

1772
01:42:23,880 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 1: we were really shorthanded. UM had one gad family stuff

1773
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 1: come up, so he was gone, and then we got

1774
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,559
Speaker 1: outfitter where like one day I got thirteen bears in

1775
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:37,840
Speaker 1: there's nobody there but size myself like I did. I

1776
01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 1: did fifty one days straight. Might just have one daughter

1777
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:45,720
Speaker 1: and she's she'll be sixteen one her skin a knife Christmas.

1778
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: She's thinking more like law school. That's probably It's like this,

1779
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:58,680
Speaker 1: this is the family business year. Could be have be

1780
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 1: the only lawyer with the popeye four arms or somebody

1781
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 1: who's yeah, tell her like if as long as we

1782
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 1: stay honest and get the hides back, we don't need

1783
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:12,280
Speaker 1: law protection right just to skin skin, to just stay

1784
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 1: clear the law. Hey John, what about it? I'm still

1785
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 1: dreaming about these squishy pills. What about a black bear pillow?

1786
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:20,960
Speaker 1: That would be kind of like you could It would

1787
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:22,760
Speaker 1: be like in someone's living room you could just lean

1788
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 1: again sleeping. We did do a small black bear UM,

1789
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:32,799
Speaker 1: and the way we did it, it wasn't. Yeah, I wouldn't.

1790
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was a success um for certain things.

1791
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 1: If you still want to do the soft mount, I

1792
01:43:38,720 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 1: would do like annealed wire frame inside of it, like

1793
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 1: when squirrel mounts when you'd make the you know, wood wool,

1794
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 1: and you put your wires through there. Then you can

1795
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: bend his legs and get him in position like old

1796
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 1: old squirrel talk like original stuffing. When you were actually

1797
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,880
Speaker 1: stuffing it said I only get the deer stuff. People

1798
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 1: would still say when I was a kid, you get

1799
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 1: stuff with a piece of foam. Yeah, But then you

1800
01:44:04,160 --> 01:44:06,759
Speaker 1: can still do this soft mount and it's still be suppled,

1801
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 1: but you would be able to pose it because so

1802
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 1: it's not just like slumped over on the floor. So

1803
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 1: you got all these little dried out packets that are

1804
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:19,840
Speaker 1: deer hides. At some point you pack them in a

1805
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:23,720
Speaker 1: trucker crates and trucks and they go to the tannery

1806
01:44:23,960 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 1: start shipping him like this, just distributing him around so

1807
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:29,880
Speaker 1: that we could actually get him back. When when I

1808
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 1: talked to my one tannery this spring and he's like,

1809
01:44:32,479 --> 01:44:34,240
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you ready for a load. He's like, well,

1810
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 1: how many are we talking? I think I had a

1811
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 1: sixty eight or sixty nine of them put up at

1812
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,160
Speaker 1: that time, and he's like, oh God, no, don't don't

1813
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:43,360
Speaker 1: do that to me. Yeah, he's like, he's like, I'm

1814
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:46,400
Speaker 1: still getting stuff from last year. He's like, don't. He's like,

1815
01:44:46,439 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 1: if you want it back, He's like, he can't send

1816
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 1: me that much at one time. So I was like,

1817
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: all right, So he started ship finding other places. Someone

1818
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:56,280
Speaker 1: told me once that every mountain He might have been

1819
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,120
Speaker 1: exaggerating slightly, but the gist was like, every mountain go

1820
01:44:59,240 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 1: in the country comes from the same tannery. You don't

1821
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 1: buy that absolutely, not that they're like mountain goats specialists. No,

1822
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 1: there's a mountain goats. The two ways that are most

1823
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 1: commonly done is you're just like a traditional tan whether

1824
01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 1: it's wet or dry or bleached. And there's only that's

1825
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:18,720
Speaker 1: only one place I know that there's like a real

1826
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:22,000
Speaker 1: real bleaching on him. Um and I don't. We don't

1827
01:45:22,040 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 1: do bleaching. So you don't like them bleached. You you

1828
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,719
Speaker 1: want to have its natural color variations. Yep. And bleaching

1829
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:30,960
Speaker 1: is really hard on him. My ride almost it's like

1830
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 1: on the ragged edge of destruction by the time you

1831
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 1: get done with it, it's just cooked. That proxy had

1832
01:45:36,200 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: just it cooks the leather. That's too bad, man, Like

1833
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:41,960
Speaker 1: the all the pigment color, like the black around the

1834
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:43,760
Speaker 1: eyes and the nose and stuff, that's all gone when

1835
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 1: it comes back the leathers is I feel like the

1836
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,759
Speaker 1: one I have getting done right now is getting bleached.

1837
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 1: But it was crazy because he had a lot of coloration. Man,

1838
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: he had a lot of gray, like, he had a

1839
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:59,920
Speaker 1: lot of gray hairs blended into him. Was he near

1840
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:03,679
Speaker 1: a burn at all? Yeah, in a burn probably from

1841
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:07,560
Speaker 1: the burntwood. This guy. Look at a head on this guy.

1842
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:12,320
Speaker 1: I got a couple from the martial that had gray.

1843
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:13,479
Speaker 1: I was like, well, it's got gray hair in it.

1844
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:19,640
Speaker 1: But it washed out no ship, Yeah, like it was

1845
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 1: the color of the hair, Yeah, I know for sure.

1846
01:46:23,439 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 1: It looked like it had just like gray charcoal hairs,

1847
01:46:26,400 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 1: the black scar In Alaska, we do we get a lot,

1848
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 1: we do a lot of work for guys in Alaska.

1849
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 1: A lot of guys stationed in the coast guard us.

1850
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:36,880
Speaker 1: So they ship us goats and grizzly bears and all

1851
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 1: sheep and all over all the time. And the goats

1852
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 1: up there, they have a lot of when I first

1853
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 1: started seeing them, like they have black and so is

1854
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:47,200
Speaker 1: that black sand from up there, but it all washes

1855
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:51,440
Speaker 1: out like like on a goat, anything with for um

1856
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 1: like shoulder mountain wires. All the goats always get it

1857
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 1: full shampoo and condition And that master blaster that's just

1858
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,960
Speaker 1: a huge commercial blow dry. It's atually for doing like

1859
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 1: car shows or bike shows. So you can blow dry

1860
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 1: your car not leave you know, marks on it from

1861
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 1: toweling it. And so between the shampooon and conditioning and

1862
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 1: then the blast you can get all the organic materials

1863
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:14,640
Speaker 1: that you don't want in there out. You know, we

1864
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:16,800
Speaker 1: recently had on We're gonna keep just so you know,

1865
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:19,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna keep following this deer project. We'll speed it

1866
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 1: up in a minute. But we recently had a fur

1867
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 1: handler on, like a trapper fur handler on the show,

1868
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,559
Speaker 1: and I realized, now what we didn't talk to him about,

1869
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:30,960
Speaker 1: which I know that he does, is he has a

1870
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:34,600
Speaker 1: washing machine in his first shed, just just dedicated to

1871
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 1: that and everything he skins, skins a raccoon before he

1872
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 1: flashes it, it goes into that washing machine. No soap

1873
01:47:43,400 --> 01:47:48,200
Speaker 1: yep agitated, And I was talking to a Bobcat trapper

1874
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:53,520
Speaker 1: the other day that does all of his with brightening shampoo. Yeah,

1875
01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:58,200
Speaker 1: shampoo's him just for presentation. The white bellies whiter. Yeah,

1876
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:01,720
Speaker 1: like the goats. We use him bright and shampoo, but

1877
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 1: not dyeing it. Nope, no, no, like actual peroxide whitening.

1878
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:10,519
Speaker 1: It's just like you know for guys with gray hair,

1879
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,240
Speaker 1: you can use it too. If you got that yellow

1880
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 1: gray hair, it helps brighten it up. Got uh, eventually

1881
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: get all these eventually get these um to grow my

1882
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:28,920
Speaker 1: hair bag and brighten. Uh. You get them all back

1883
01:48:29,240 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 1: they're tanned, and then it just looks like you gotta

1884
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 1: tan for it, right, I mean, yeah, most of our

1885
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,000
Speaker 1: deer capes and stuff come back to try tan. And

1886
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 1: meanwhile all those antlers are were hanging on our hook. Yeah.

1887
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 1: We have a series of racks upstairs so we can

1888
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,599
Speaker 1: keep like you know, white tails and mule deer, then

1889
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:46,000
Speaker 1: keep the elk and the moose separator, got cariboo. Then

1890
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:48,280
Speaker 1: we have spots for like when the African Safaris show up,

1891
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 1: we can keep all the African safaris separate. Why you

1892
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 1: worried about keep it separate, You're not gonna like easier

1893
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 1: to find oh if you keep it, yeah, to try

1894
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 1: to keep it species specific. And then so like a

1895
01:48:59,240 --> 01:49:01,479
Speaker 1: guy comes in his like your name on it turned

1896
01:49:01,479 --> 01:49:08,360
Speaker 1: into orcs. My just trying to trying to be able

1897
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,800
Speaker 1: to find stuff easy because you know, I imagine your

1898
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:14,760
Speaker 1: clientele likes that because it's like, well, I'm gonna swing

1899
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 1: in and show off my rack. Yeah, and you're like,

1900
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 1: I don't know where it's at. You know, Yeah, it's

1901
01:49:18,920 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 1: a lot nicer, and like you just go upstairs and

1902
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:24,160
Speaker 1: you go back or there and from white tail section,

1903
01:49:24,200 --> 01:49:26,200
Speaker 1: your tags on it, your names on it, your invoice

1904
01:49:26,240 --> 01:49:28,840
Speaker 1: numbers on it, and then uh, you guys got to

1905
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:31,960
Speaker 1: soak them right yep. So usually what I do is all,

1906
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,240
Speaker 1: if we're gonna do like a dozen deer heads, I'll

1907
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: soak up those twelve capes. Contact everybody, find out what

1908
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:40,960
Speaker 1: pose they want, if they want like looking left or right,

1909
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 1: or somebody sneaks or full sneaks or what they want

1910
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:46,679
Speaker 1: that that might depend on where they want to put it, yep, yep.

1911
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:49,680
Speaker 1: And then you always when they ask you, it's if

1912
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 1: you were the deer on the wall, which way would

1913
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:54,479
Speaker 1: you turn your head? Not my left? Because I'm like, well,

1914
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:56,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, let your left his left his lips.

1915
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's always what's the full sneak where the

1916
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 1: head is below the back, like when you see a

1917
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:06,680
Speaker 1: trailer that I was, did semi sneak looking left or right,

1918
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, Brody decentus of one. It was like it

1919
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:14,640
Speaker 1: was a goofy, a little bit goofy, but that's not

1920
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:17,880
Speaker 1: the right word for it. Beautifully done, but like a

1921
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 1: weird cod odd odd placement. It was a deer jump

1922
01:50:21,960 --> 01:50:25,160
Speaker 1: with a fence, but it was basically like the deer

1923
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:32,120
Speaker 1: committing suicide off the guys off the balcony railing. Yeah,

1924
01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:37,719
Speaker 1: but unbelievable, unbelievably well executed, Mike, when a white tail

1925
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 1: in the middle of one of those giant bounds that

1926
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:42,280
Speaker 1: they do, but he was gonna land down in the

1927
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:45,720
Speaker 1: living room. We're actually, when I when I get back

1928
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: next week, we're ordering a jumping white tail for a

1929
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 1: one eight class white tail and then there'll be about

1930
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:52,639
Speaker 1: a hundred It was about a hundred and seventy pound

1931
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 1: mountain lion jump into the air to catch the white tail.

1932
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 1: That's some diorama. How does that work? Like went for

1933
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: and when someone's gonna do like a like a custom

1934
01:51:04,360 --> 01:51:08,360
Speaker 1: kind of thing like that, and like it's kind of

1935
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 1: based on the architecture of their house, like it needs

1936
01:51:11,439 --> 01:51:13,599
Speaker 1: to be in a certain position in a certain place,

1937
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 1: Like do they gotta do all the measuring or like

1938
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:19,600
Speaker 1: how does that well? This particular one there in Texas,

1939
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 1: and uh, they got they found found out about us,

1940
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 1: got ahold of me. And then they've had an architect

1941
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:28,000
Speaker 1: and a contractor at their place for like three or

1942
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:31,040
Speaker 1: four years, they said, working on it constantly. And so

1943
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:33,679
Speaker 1: he went up and gave me photographs of the study

1944
01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:36,200
Speaker 1: layout in the wall, and it was like I was like, wow,

1945
01:51:36,200 --> 01:51:38,800
Speaker 1: that's nice. We can pretty much do anything we want.

1946
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:43,720
Speaker 1: You can get in put blocking in, so yeah, yep.

1947
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,080
Speaker 1: And he gave me all the dimensions for the it's

1948
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 1: like a triangle shaped piece between two rooms and so

1949
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,519
Speaker 1: that we have twenty ft lay that thing out with

1950
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 1: all the habitat and junipers. And because you'll see like

1951
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:59,600
Speaker 1: mountain lions curled up in a corner like that, I

1952
01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:01,759
Speaker 1: do like that. Yeah, I'd like to do that someday

1953
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:03,800
Speaker 1: if I had a high spot, like a mountain lion

1954
01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 1: laying up there there, like perched up on a log

1955
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:10,600
Speaker 1: or something. Looking you guys to know what the balcony

1956
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:14,559
Speaker 1: rail represents on that whitetail. Right, let's jump on offense

1957
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 1: the neighbor. That's an important that you'll notice that he's

1958
01:52:25,240 --> 01:52:30,120
Speaker 1: hitting the back end. Almost got out of the neighbor's place.

1959
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 1: Here's a question that we used to get all the time,

1960
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 1: was um, velvet, velvet bucks, what's your recommendation there. It's

1961
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:45,559
Speaker 1: like how it's going to turn out really is affected

1962
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 1: by what phase the velvet growth is in. If it's

1963
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 1: super early, where the horns like you know, you can

1964
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:54,720
Speaker 1: shake him in the horns are still rubbery, that's a

1965
01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 1: really difficult one to stabilize. In the middle where it's

1966
01:52:58,120 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 1: still alive, but you're getting good set up. That's one

1967
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:02,759
Speaker 1: of your prime ones to be able to like embalm

1968
01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 1: the actual velvet um and then at a certain point

1969
01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 1: it's just fallen off. You know, when it gets where

1970
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:10,000
Speaker 1: you just grab in your hands bloody. That's late. That's

1971
01:53:10,360 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 1: not early. I'm thinking about caribe, like you grab in

1972
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:16,320
Speaker 1: your hand, this is like soaked with blood. That's early.

1973
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 1: Wherein the antler is still soft. I guess it makes

1974
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:21,760
Speaker 1: sense because still full blogs it's growing. That's a dumb

1975
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:26,360
Speaker 1: question forgive a lot a lot of a lot of times, though, uh,

1976
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 1: you can just have it stripped and artificial put back on, right,

1977
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:33,679
Speaker 1: And and that was always the question, is like should

1978
01:53:33,680 --> 01:53:38,360
Speaker 1: we scrape all this off like in the field scraped off? Right? Yeah? Don't. Yeah,

1979
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:41,080
Speaker 1: if you're gonna revelvet it, just leave it as is

1980
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:42,840
Speaker 1: and then when it gets in on either just power

1981
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 1: wash it off or peel it and then take it

1982
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,000
Speaker 1: in and just have it actually revelveted. And can you

1983
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:52,000
Speaker 1: can you preserve the actual velvet when it's in that

1984
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:58,280
Speaker 1: in the right stay you know, like yeah, kind of,

1985
01:53:58,439 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 1: but you always run the risk of like, you know,

1986
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 1: not quite getting it and then so that it still

1987
01:54:03,320 --> 01:54:06,400
Speaker 1: has proteins left in it, which would promote bug life.

1988
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to make my wife braw lined with that

1989
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:12,960
Speaker 1: antler belt off, but it was like, you don't know

1990
01:54:13,040 --> 01:54:18,320
Speaker 1: the first thing about what people want in a bracause

1991
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:20,920
Speaker 1: I was like, how about a muskrat line bra. She's like, no, no,

1992
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:25,559
Speaker 1: you don't want a muskrat line, Bra. It's not it's

1993
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 1: not what's going on there when you wear bra. What

1994
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:33,760
Speaker 1: about a like a cactus buck that you kill in

1995
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 1: October November. That's still full velvet. If it was how

1996
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:40,160
Speaker 1: you guys doing those? Like if it's something really unique

1997
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:42,040
Speaker 1: like a cactus buck said it didn't have a freeze,

1998
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:46,120
Speaker 1: dried the whole thing. My fiance shot a couple of

1999
01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 1: years ago and got it done. I didn't know how

2000
01:54:48,640 --> 01:54:51,560
Speaker 1: they did it, but it's yeah, it's still They don't

2001
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 1: think they stripped it or anything. Yeah, if you you

2002
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:55,839
Speaker 1: can have them freeze dride and they'll be perfectly stable.

2003
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:58,879
Speaker 1: How the hell do you have a spirit of sturgeon

2004
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 1: spearing hoodie? This? Someone sent these into Hayden, and Hayden

2005
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:13,200
Speaker 1: gave me this one fish hoodie talked to Hayden about

2006
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:16,120
Speaker 1: sturgeon spearing hoodie. Ye, Hayden never had a spear in

2007
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:22,680
Speaker 1: his life. Never. I've never even rolla never get a

2008
01:55:22,720 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 1: complimentary fishing. Steve doesn't like when you have cool ship

2009
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:32,920
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have saw it Like I checked the

2010
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:36,440
Speaker 1: free table. This didn't go on a free table. No,

2011
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:41,760
Speaker 1: I must have went directs. I've never spared spear sturgeon

2012
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:44,400
Speaker 1: or have gone sturdon experience a bit of a poser,

2013
01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:47,720
Speaker 1: but I just liked sweatshirt. I thought about the poser angle.

2014
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 1: I just like he's got chains on everything. A little shanty. Um. Okay,

2015
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 1: back to our hypothetical deer. You're soaking what water? Yep,

2016
01:55:57,080 --> 01:56:00,760
Speaker 1: I just do room temperature water and then you go

2017
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:03,560
Speaker 1: on into your handy andy cattle catalog there, so you

2018
01:56:03,600 --> 01:56:07,680
Speaker 1: would uh, you've already established what pose they want, and

2019
01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:10,680
Speaker 1: then you just soak it up and then you stretch it.

2020
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 1: And part part of the learning curve when you stretch

2021
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:17,720
Speaker 1: it over the form. Now you stretch it on the

2022
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:21,320
Speaker 1: bench and then you order the form that fits those measurements.

2023
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:23,560
Speaker 1: So this is this is a form that I use

2024
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:29,320
Speaker 1: very frequently. So by measurements are like and then you

2025
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 1: have three points on the neck. Yeah, you order six

2026
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 1: nine dash seven to one L. That's not like secret sauces,

2027
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:43,080
Speaker 1: and that's not like that expensive. Okay, those are quite

2028
01:56:43,080 --> 01:56:47,680
Speaker 1: reasonable compared to buy an elephant. How much is it?

2029
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 1: But I imagine, like if you could lay out the

2030
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 1: the conversation you would like to have with everybody who

2031
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 1: walks in the door, right, because I imagine there's a

2032
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:03,520
Speaker 1: lot of like, hey, I want this mountain, and you're like,

2033
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:08,200
Speaker 1: well you're in the right spot, but yeah, trying to

2034
01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:10,400
Speaker 1: talk him off the ledge sometimes where you're like, okay,

2035
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 1: so this is what we can do. This is the

2036
01:57:12,440 --> 01:57:14,000
Speaker 1: way we need to go about do anything like that.

2037
01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, and be like and and these are

2038
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 1: like the price ranges that you're gonna come in too

2039
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:21,760
Speaker 1: if you just want something that that is your dear

2040
01:57:22,520 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 1: looking back to you. But you're not you're not going

2041
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:27,880
Speaker 1: for the jumping white tail with the mountain lion. Yeah,

2042
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:31,720
Speaker 1: that price range. Yeah, we're There's not a lot of

2043
01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:35,680
Speaker 1: like sliding scale on anything we do. It's pretty pretty set.

2044
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:39,480
Speaker 1: The only time there's any like additional charges, Like you

2045
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:42,720
Speaker 1: have a traditional shoulder mountain, but if they want habitat

2046
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:45,400
Speaker 1: on it, then you have to pay for the habitat

2047
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:47,400
Speaker 1: to go with it. But you're still basically just you're

2048
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:49,920
Speaker 1: buying accessories at that point. You still have a base

2049
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,120
Speaker 1: price of what your dear head costs. Ball park me

2050
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:58,040
Speaker 1: a like a nice job on a standard white tail

2051
01:57:58,160 --> 01:58:02,880
Speaker 1: shoulder mountain. Yeah, so you don't you don't do a

2052
01:58:02,920 --> 01:58:07,200
Speaker 1: lot of haggling that gather. No, okay, how do you

2053
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:13,080
Speaker 1: handle this? Every single taxidermy studio, any time you go

2054
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:16,320
Speaker 1: in there, there's somebody bullshitting with somebody who obviously needs

2055
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:18,880
Speaker 1: to be how do you handle them and they want

2056
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 1: to drop it off? Yeah, it's it's very difficult to

2057
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,800
Speaker 1: handle that because you can't be like, you know, dude,

2058
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 1: it's time for you to go, because you know they're

2059
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:30,680
Speaker 1: more likely a client. You can tell them, all right,

2060
01:58:31,160 --> 01:58:34,560
Speaker 1: your thing's gonna rot start, uh, you know. Just the

2061
01:58:34,640 --> 01:58:37,840
Speaker 1: secret is just to keep working and eventually a lot

2062
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:39,600
Speaker 1: of times they're like, well, you know, I probably probably

2063
01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:44,960
Speaker 1: should let you go. That's the approach to, Yeah, just

2064
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:47,720
Speaker 1: keep going. Do you get people trying to work you

2065
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:50,280
Speaker 1: like if they bring in, you know, a little danker

2066
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:52,560
Speaker 1: buck that their kids shot, and they're like, well it's smaller,

2067
01:58:52,680 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, can you yeah? Yeah, all right, Yeah, it's

2068
01:58:58,800 --> 01:59:01,160
Speaker 1: the only working around the big old antler because he

2069
01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:05,240
Speaker 1: got in the standard. Right, this is only half the

2070
01:59:05,240 --> 01:59:08,040
Speaker 1: buck that that one was. Yeah, I know, there's it

2071
01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:11,520
Speaker 1: seems like it doesn't a job opportunity for like the

2072
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 1: old retired fish cop or somebody who just wants to

2073
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 1: have those conversations all day, right, right, and you put

2074
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:23,680
Speaker 1: them up in front like a Walmart greater, where'd you

2075
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:27,080
Speaker 1: get that? You like, you're a guy to bullshit up

2076
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:29,200
Speaker 1: front like a caged off air. They could look at us,

2077
01:59:29,240 --> 01:59:32,000
Speaker 1: but they couldn't actually get to us. And then you

2078
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:33,800
Speaker 1: hire an old feller to sit out there and be

2079
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:35,640
Speaker 1: like you like talk there but run into but they

2080
01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:39,520
Speaker 1: can knock out the paperwork. Yeah yeah right, you know, yeah,

2081
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:41,360
Speaker 1: you know how you talked everybody the grocery store come

2082
01:59:41,400 --> 01:59:45,440
Speaker 1: down to do it. Speaking of speaking of fishing game cops,

2083
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:47,720
Speaker 1: how often are they popping in and out of your place?

2084
01:59:47,960 --> 01:59:51,040
Speaker 1: Oh man, I was going down that same path. Go

2085
01:59:51,040 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 1: go ahead, like uh sorry, no, no, right now. When

2086
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 1: COVID happened, trying to get all the bears tagged, and

2087
01:59:58,160 --> 02:00:00,000
Speaker 1: then like wolves tag you know, any of the first

2088
02:00:00,040 --> 02:00:01,960
Speaker 1: bears where you actually have to have that seal put

2089
02:00:01,960 --> 02:00:05,800
Speaker 1: in there, they had closed down like the public coming

2090
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:12,360
Speaker 1: into like normal tagging areas there was. They waved it

2091
02:00:12,440 --> 02:00:14,680
Speaker 1: the first year and then last year they did it

2092
02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:18,720
Speaker 1: where we did a transfer possession for him, so like

2093
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:21,600
Speaker 1: you would shoot a bear and bring it to my shop,

2094
02:00:21,800 --> 02:00:23,720
Speaker 1: and then we would fill out the paperwork like where

2095
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:26,160
Speaker 1: you harvested it, when you harvested it in your courtings,

2096
02:00:26,240 --> 02:00:28,400
Speaker 1: you know a lot long um. Then we'd signed a

2097
02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:31,240
Speaker 1: couple of pieces of paper and then you leave and

2098
02:00:31,320 --> 02:00:34,040
Speaker 1: I would have present that that was my possession. So

2099
02:00:34,120 --> 02:00:37,520
Speaker 1: then the fishing game, they were coming every two to

2100
02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:39,720
Speaker 1: three days to my shop. Well, so you could call

2101
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:41,720
Speaker 1: them and be like, yeah, I got a whole bull

2102
02:00:41,840 --> 02:00:44,160
Speaker 1: at a bulk deal for you. Yeah, so I try

2103
02:00:44,200 --> 02:00:46,720
Speaker 1: to accumulate a stack of them, because it took a while,

2104
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, because then they have to go through all

2105
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:50,720
Speaker 1: my paperwork and then register the state seal to it,

2106
02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:52,800
Speaker 1: and then I have to register that into my paper

2107
02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:54,840
Speaker 1: and they're pulling the tooth at your place. I ended

2108
02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:57,600
Speaker 1: up we They finally gave us the tooth puller, the

2109
02:00:58,040 --> 02:01:01,720
Speaker 1: elevator tool, because you can aunt pull a tooth when

2110
02:01:01,720 --> 02:01:06,240
Speaker 1: it's frozen, and I can't stacks of rotting heads laying around.

2111
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:08,240
Speaker 1: So we just would pull the tooth and put it

2112
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:10,000
Speaker 1: in the envelope and write their a LS number and

2113
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:12,200
Speaker 1: with sex of it, then put it in their paperwork,

2114
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:14,320
Speaker 1: and then they'd come and just grab everything and go.

2115
02:01:14,840 --> 02:01:18,240
Speaker 1: Have you had have you had situations where something didn't

2116
02:01:18,240 --> 02:01:20,680
Speaker 1: smell right? And see that's the question. I was dying

2117
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 1: like somebody somebody trying to forgot. Yeah. Guy walks and

2118
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:29,240
Speaker 1: he's like, I want to get this eagle mounted. Oh

2119
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm not I was going more like some big buck

2120
02:01:32,920 --> 02:01:36,280
Speaker 1: and you're like, man, something, just sayesn't I've turned I've

2121
02:01:36,280 --> 02:01:40,960
Speaker 1: turned people in that I know absolutely. I mean it's

2122
02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:44,200
Speaker 1: if if I was in Cahous at all, the state

2123
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:47,720
Speaker 1: is who provides my business license, and that's go on.

2124
02:01:47,880 --> 02:01:50,240
Speaker 1: So you can't. You can't be like body, you better

2125
02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:52,440
Speaker 1: just go on your own way. You gotta be like,

2126
02:01:52,440 --> 02:01:54,880
Speaker 1: now you've made it my problem. Yeah. If if it

2127
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:57,360
Speaker 1: comes to the shop and I know that you're like

2128
02:01:57,640 --> 02:02:00,880
Speaker 1: intentionally doing that, it's your problem. Seth and I were

2129
02:02:00,920 --> 02:02:03,320
Speaker 1: in that's gotta be I don't want to say awkward,

2130
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:07,120
Speaker 1: but that's gonna be awkward. Issh like, you know, honestly

2131
02:02:07,160 --> 02:02:09,360
Speaker 1: most of the time, and they don't do that. People

2132
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:12,520
Speaker 1: don't do that ship. It's not as common as one might. Yeah,

2133
02:02:12,600 --> 02:02:14,600
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I've only ever seen it a couple

2134
02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:16,640
Speaker 1: of times where I like, you just absolutely know that

2135
02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:20,440
Speaker 1: they poasted that thing. You're like, m so, then well

2136
02:02:20,720 --> 02:02:22,600
Speaker 1: I got a for instance, right, Seth and I were

2137
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:27,480
Speaker 1: in this cafe truck stop Baits store in Kansas Place.

2138
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:31,640
Speaker 1: Was awesome opening day a deer season. We got done

2139
02:02:31,800 --> 02:02:35,440
Speaker 1: duck hunting. It's probably like ten thirty in the morning,

2140
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:39,680
Speaker 1: and you can also get licenses and tags there right,

2141
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:45,040
Speaker 1: You're talking about that certain spearing poser next to you. Yeah,

2142
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:48,640
Speaker 1: we're sitting there having breakfast, talking about our next move.

2143
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:51,840
Speaker 1: And I just can't help but notice. The oddest thing,

2144
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:55,000
Speaker 1: if you've ever been in the hunting and angling community,

2145
02:02:55,880 --> 02:03:02,480
Speaker 1: was every person in line getting a deer tag in

2146
02:03:02,520 --> 02:03:09,920
Speaker 1: the morning. Am. It was female. And I was just

2147
02:03:10,000 --> 02:03:15,280
Speaker 1: like that or something about that, you know. And then

2148
02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:17,560
Speaker 1: and then you hear the questions like now, what do

2149
02:03:17,600 --> 02:03:20,880
Speaker 1: you need and you're like, well, I just like the

2150
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:27,280
Speaker 1: what do you need to deer something? For an extra

2151
02:03:27,320 --> 02:03:31,320
Speaker 1: buck that's laying on a property. Man. Our mom I

2152
02:03:31,320 --> 02:03:33,800
Speaker 1: shouldn't say, because she's still alive and I'm still alive. Yeah,

2153
02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:36,160
Speaker 1: our mom had a few deer tags. It was just

2154
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:39,000
Speaker 1: like we didn't even know. It was just so when

2155
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:42,560
Speaker 1: I was little, it was like you would it was

2156
02:03:42,760 --> 02:03:44,920
Speaker 1: so not hidden. It's like you would go to show

2157
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:50,520
Speaker 1: and tell at school and be like, my mom tagged it.

2158
02:03:50,520 --> 02:03:53,280
Speaker 1: It was just like it wasn't even if you didn't

2159
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:56,960
Speaker 1: give me like a polygraph or something about breaking the rule,

2160
02:03:57,080 --> 02:03:59,520
Speaker 1: Like my heart rate wouldn't have gone up because I

2161
02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:01,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't have know. I didn't know you weren't supposed to

2162
02:04:01,200 --> 02:04:03,920
Speaker 1: do it? Like did you? In fact, I'd be like,

2163
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I would have known. I wouldn't

2164
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:08,320
Speaker 1: have known them to be nervous, right, you know, I

2165
02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:14,480
Speaker 1: know it needed a tag my mother. Anyway, in a

2166
02:04:14,560 --> 02:04:17,760
Speaker 1: very circular fashion, I could see how situations like that

2167
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:21,440
Speaker 1: could come back to you, where it's like, here's the

2168
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:24,680
Speaker 1: tag that goes with the rack, and then eventually somebody

2169
02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:27,920
Speaker 1: comes in and says, hey, did somebody turn in the rack?

2170
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:32,120
Speaker 1: And what was their name? So, like, I've always been fortunate.

2171
02:04:32,160 --> 02:04:34,960
Speaker 1: We maintain a good rapport with our wardens um and

2172
02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:38,280
Speaker 1: we've had quite a few wardens circulate through our area

2173
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:39,920
Speaker 1: because we were right in the corner there, so we

2174
02:04:39,960 --> 02:04:41,920
Speaker 1: have like three up to three wardens that come through,

2175
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:46,280
Speaker 1: and all we've been very fortunate, very very nice, very

2176
02:04:46,280 --> 02:04:49,800
Speaker 1: professional wardens. And if they call call me up and

2177
02:04:49,880 --> 02:04:51,920
Speaker 1: ask me, you know, hey, you did so and so

2178
02:04:52,040 --> 02:04:54,000
Speaker 1: bring something in and having I'm like, yeah, it's in

2179
02:04:54,040 --> 02:04:57,880
Speaker 1: the shop. Oh yeah, could we come get it? Yeah,

2180
02:04:58,080 --> 02:05:00,400
Speaker 1: in the shop. Have you ever had any sort of

2181
02:05:00,440 --> 02:05:03,320
Speaker 1: strange things where everything looked up to speed but then

2182
02:05:04,120 --> 02:05:06,400
Speaker 1: some other guys in there, and he's like, where'd this

2183
02:05:06,440 --> 02:05:09,360
Speaker 1: buck come from? No, I haven't had the Hey wait

2184
02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:11,880
Speaker 1: a second, that came off my property yet that kind

2185
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,760
Speaker 1: of stuff like never any kind of crazy stuff like

2186
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:17,680
Speaker 1: that a lot. I mean, it'd be hard to like

2187
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:20,120
Speaker 1: have much visual time with the deer where we live.

2188
02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:23,080
Speaker 1: They're always in the timber. So a couple of trail

2189
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:25,960
Speaker 1: camp pictures floating around, I know, did you hear that

2190
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:30,560
Speaker 1: crazy story? Um, someone actually got prosecuted off this and

2191
02:05:30,600 --> 02:05:33,839
Speaker 1: we talked about it, but it was it occurred between

2192
02:05:33,880 --> 02:05:36,520
Speaker 1: Tennessee and Kentucky, and I can't remember which direction it went.

2193
02:05:37,880 --> 02:05:41,040
Speaker 1: But there's like a Big Buck road show, right, and

2194
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:43,120
Speaker 1: there's a buck there that was the state record of

2195
02:05:43,160 --> 02:05:45,240
Speaker 1: wherever the hell the state record or some it was

2196
02:05:45,480 --> 02:05:47,800
Speaker 1: honored by the state of Kentucky is being some such thing.

2197
02:05:48,840 --> 02:05:50,280
Speaker 1: And a guy it happens to be at the Big

2198
02:05:50,280 --> 02:05:53,240
Speaker 1: Buck show and he's like, that book was not killed

2199
02:05:53,280 --> 02:05:57,160
Speaker 1: in Kentucky. I have trail camp pictures of that book

2200
02:05:58,080 --> 02:06:00,920
Speaker 1: a couple hundred miles into Tennessee and I'd get it

2201
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:02,760
Speaker 1: every day and then it vanished and that buck was

2202
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:05,360
Speaker 1: not killed in the state. And the guy was prosecuted

2203
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:09,280
Speaker 1: over it for receiving all the like award money or

2204
02:06:09,560 --> 02:06:12,680
Speaker 1: he even had that. He even had the what's the

2205
02:06:12,680 --> 02:06:16,840
Speaker 1: commedy move across state lines O Lacy act? And this guy,

2206
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it was such an unusual buck and this

2207
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:21,960
Speaker 1: guy is like, nope, it's on my place. There he

2208
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:23,760
Speaker 1: is there, he is there, he is there, he is

2209
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:27,440
Speaker 1: is the last we ever saw him. He gets some

2210
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:31,640
Speaker 1: guy moved him, shot him and tagged them from another

2211
02:06:31,680 --> 02:06:36,560
Speaker 1: state and moved him over and started praying them around. Wow. Yeah, yeah,

2212
02:06:36,600 --> 02:06:38,240
Speaker 1: it was. It was covered and it was covered the

2213
02:06:38,280 --> 02:06:39,640
Speaker 1: press of it, you know, That's all I was kind

2214
02:06:39,640 --> 02:06:41,760
Speaker 1: of think about that. If you've ever been involved in

2215
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:44,480
Speaker 1: any stories like that, No, nothing, nothing quite that exciting.

2216
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:46,800
Speaker 1: A friend of mine was a l e O up

2217
02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:49,280
Speaker 1: in that neck of the woods a long long time ago,

2218
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:52,560
Speaker 1: and and he's like he because of what you said, right,

2219
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:57,400
Speaker 1: it's like big dark, timber country. He would volunteer for

2220
02:06:57,680 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 1: every game check station as he's like, you just never

2221
02:07:02,520 --> 02:07:04,560
Speaker 1: knew what was going to come out of the woods,

2222
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:09,960
Speaker 1: like crazy white tails, you know, crazy mule deer um.

2223
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:12,640
Speaker 1: And because you're not in country where you're like seeing

2224
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:15,440
Speaker 1: this stuff, right, they're not getting profiled by a bunch

2225
02:07:15,480 --> 02:07:18,040
Speaker 1: of people. Yeah. I was in a taxi during the

2226
02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:21,080
Speaker 1: studio one time after e h D came through real

2227
02:07:21,160 --> 02:07:24,200
Speaker 1: bad in the September, and holy ship the bucks down there, man,

2228
02:07:24,360 --> 02:07:27,120
Speaker 1: because people just bringing them in. It was like bucks.

2229
02:07:27,120 --> 02:07:30,720
Speaker 1: You did not know existence he was bringing in deadheads,

2230
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:32,520
Speaker 1: dead heads. Get him cleaned up and stuff, you know,

2231
02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:36,240
Speaker 1: but just incredible bucks man. And he's like, I don't know,

2232
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:38,160
Speaker 1: during hunting season, they don't come in, but then here

2233
02:07:38,200 --> 02:07:43,480
Speaker 1: they all are because it's like August like there they are,

2234
02:07:43,720 --> 02:07:45,360
Speaker 1: like all the ones that no one's probably gonna look

2235
02:07:45,400 --> 02:07:48,680
Speaker 1: at during hunting season. Yeah, go nocturnal, stay stay out

2236
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:53,200
Speaker 1: of the view. Uh. So back to our our deer.

2237
02:07:53,800 --> 02:07:56,920
Speaker 1: You stretch it and measure it. Then you order up

2238
02:07:56,920 --> 02:07:59,000
Speaker 1: your form. Put the hide in the freezer till the

2239
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:02,640
Speaker 1: form arrives, and then the form comes in. Then we

2240
02:08:02,680 --> 02:08:04,640
Speaker 1: take the hide out of the freezer and thought out

2241
02:08:05,120 --> 02:08:08,200
Speaker 1: and then we can start mounting and you like drape

2242
02:08:08,200 --> 02:08:11,040
Speaker 1: it over it and I see, I said, come down.

2243
02:08:11,400 --> 02:08:14,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes catch you guys like mid stride and he's all

2244
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:19,280
Speaker 1: pinned and ends holding the eyes and get all your

2245
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:22,960
Speaker 1: adhesive on there. And depending on how they how you

2246
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:24,560
Speaker 1: prefer to do your ears, whether you do like a

2247
02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:27,760
Speaker 1: bond o, your cartlete replacement, your liner. Um, get all

2248
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:30,160
Speaker 1: that done, get all your eyes set on the form.

2249
02:08:30,280 --> 02:08:33,360
Speaker 1: If you're doing a change out nose or putting septums

2250
02:08:33,360 --> 02:08:36,360
Speaker 1: into the existing form, get all that done ahead of time.

2251
02:08:36,680 --> 02:08:40,280
Speaker 1: Um short wine in decision. There's no stitching on the back,

2252
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:43,400
Speaker 1: so you set your antlers and then you take them

2253
02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:45,640
Speaker 1: out and have a clay clay edge around it. Then

2254
02:08:45,680 --> 02:08:47,880
Speaker 1: you pull the cape on and then just have just

2255
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:49,920
Speaker 1: that ye incision open up on the top to take

2256
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:52,640
Speaker 1: the antlers out and put it back on it, and

2257
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:54,360
Speaker 1: you just have that small white and sew back up

2258
02:08:54,720 --> 02:08:58,080
Speaker 1: and you're sewing it by hand the needle and thread.

2259
02:08:59,240 --> 02:09:02,480
Speaker 1: Once he started on that, is it like once you start,

2260
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:05,480
Speaker 1: you gotta finish it? Or can you walk away from once?

2261
02:09:05,800 --> 02:09:08,160
Speaker 1: When I start doing any amount, you're pretty much there

2262
02:09:08,240 --> 02:09:11,120
Speaker 1: until you're done. But how do you do how do

2263
02:09:11,120 --> 02:09:15,960
Speaker 1: you do the last stitch for like the tie off? Yeah,

2264
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:19,160
Speaker 1: but like you don't see it? Well, do you take

2265
02:09:19,200 --> 02:09:21,200
Speaker 1: it back off and do the last stitch then pull

2266
02:09:21,240 --> 02:09:23,720
Speaker 1: it back on it again? No? Usually, like I do

2267
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:27,440
Speaker 1: a full dorsal cut, so it's usually tight um. There's

2268
02:09:27,480 --> 02:09:29,720
Speaker 1: no taking it off once back on, you'd have to,

2269
02:09:29,960 --> 02:09:31,640
Speaker 1: but you still have to when it's all done, you

2270
02:09:31,680 --> 02:09:34,520
Speaker 1: still have some stitch you gotta make. It's uh so

2271
02:09:34,760 --> 02:09:37,400
Speaker 1: you're on like a shoulder mount. Your stitch dead ends

2272
02:09:37,400 --> 02:09:40,000
Speaker 1: over the back and is stapled onto the form, so

2273
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:41,600
Speaker 1: when it's on the wall, you can't ever see the

2274
02:09:41,680 --> 02:09:46,520
Speaker 1: left stitch where it ends. I got you. You'll have

2275
02:09:47,200 --> 02:09:51,560
Speaker 1: one that you'll bring over from the first antler base there,

2276
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:54,280
Speaker 1: and then the next one. You can just catch that

2277
02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:55,960
Speaker 1: one and then go back down, so you don't have

2278
02:09:55,960 --> 02:09:57,800
Speaker 1: a knot with a piece sticking up at the top,

2279
02:09:57,880 --> 02:10:01,840
Speaker 1: but you are sewing it on the form. YEP. I

2280
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:04,400
Speaker 1: still understand how you could get like I want to

2281
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:06,240
Speaker 1: see because I don't get how the hair lay back

2282
02:10:06,280 --> 02:10:10,480
Speaker 1: so nice. So like in the early days, you know,

2283
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:12,600
Speaker 1: you got it on there and you sewed it on

2284
02:10:12,680 --> 02:10:15,240
Speaker 1: and brushed it all out and let it dry. And

2285
02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:17,680
Speaker 1: that was what we did. I mean, that was what

2286
02:10:17,760 --> 02:10:19,480
Speaker 1: we That was the standard. That was how you did it.

2287
02:10:20,040 --> 02:10:22,560
Speaker 1: And then I had an opportunity to have a guy

2288
02:10:22,600 --> 02:10:25,600
Speaker 1: that was actually he took He took a blue ribbon

2289
02:10:25,720 --> 02:10:28,680
Speaker 1: first place in the world show in the Master's division

2290
02:10:28,680 --> 02:10:30,880
Speaker 1: for white tail text for me, and which is a

2291
02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:34,600
Speaker 1: really hard division. I mean, everybody does white tails for

2292
02:10:34,640 --> 02:10:37,160
Speaker 1: the for the most part around the country, and there's

2293
02:10:37,200 --> 02:10:38,640
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are really good at it.

2294
02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:42,600
Speaker 1: Where where is he from? Scott Brewer, He's in Washington

2295
02:10:42,760 --> 02:10:47,400
Speaker 1: right now, and so Scott, he is working for another

2296
02:10:47,480 --> 02:10:51,520
Speaker 1: artist in town. And in your town. There's there we

2297
02:10:51,560 --> 02:10:54,720
Speaker 1: have at one time when we had Scott and Phil

2298
02:10:55,120 --> 02:10:57,160
Speaker 1: and Daniel May was in town. All three of those

2299
02:10:57,160 --> 02:11:00,400
Speaker 1: guys have taken best in the world. You all get

2300
02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:02,640
Speaker 1: big fights at the bar. You know, there has been

2301
02:11:02,680 --> 02:11:07,640
Speaker 1: a lot of like historical bickering and pissing matches. But

2302
02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:10,120
Speaker 1: there was fourteen taxidermis and Liby at one time when

2303
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:13,640
Speaker 1: I was a kid, and then there and like there's

2304
02:11:13,720 --> 02:11:16,880
Speaker 1: some really high end talent that is still there. There's

2305
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:21,280
Speaker 1: some talent laden town. Small town of small town. A

2306
02:11:21,840 --> 02:11:27,720
Speaker 1: lot of tax and spat come from like you stole

2307
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:30,960
Speaker 1: my technique or most of the time with those guys

2308
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:33,080
Speaker 1: was like you stole my client. You know, I had

2309
02:11:33,120 --> 02:11:35,600
Speaker 1: done a deer for him and now he's at your place.

2310
02:11:35,680 --> 02:11:40,600
Speaker 1: You you've cool wurst him somehow or some ship like that. Yeah, right,

2311
02:11:40,640 --> 02:11:43,520
Speaker 1: there there there was a lot of a lot of

2312
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:46,080
Speaker 1: bickering amongst a lot of the tax Germans in town

2313
02:11:46,360 --> 02:11:50,120
Speaker 1: for years. But so if Scott ends up in town

2314
02:11:50,520 --> 02:11:53,920
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to make connection with Scott, I wanted

2315
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:56,440
Speaker 1: him to come out and look at my work that

2316
02:11:56,840 --> 02:11:59,720
Speaker 1: you know plateau. I really thought I had a pretty

2317
02:11:59,720 --> 02:12:02,080
Speaker 1: good rip on. You know, I've done by that point,

2318
02:12:02,120 --> 02:12:04,000
Speaker 1: I've probably done, you know, a few thousand deer heads.

2319
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:08,560
Speaker 1: She should be fairly skilled at that point. So Scott's

2320
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:11,560
Speaker 1: a certified judge for World on white Tail, and so

2321
02:12:11,600 --> 02:12:13,880
Speaker 1: they can't really get a much better critic than that.

2322
02:12:14,720 --> 02:12:17,440
Speaker 1: So I finally made him and I was like, would

2323
02:12:17,480 --> 02:12:19,320
Speaker 1: you come out and look at a deer head if

2324
02:12:19,320 --> 02:12:22,160
Speaker 1: I do one? And He's like okay, So I was

2325
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:25,320
Speaker 1: like cool, So I do the absolute best white tail.

2326
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:27,800
Speaker 1: It was like the cape was perfect. It was like pristine,

2327
02:12:28,040 --> 02:12:30,320
Speaker 1: good hair, length, good color. It was a nice buck

2328
02:12:30,360 --> 02:12:31,680
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, I was like, oh man,

2329
02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:35,600
Speaker 1: that's great. And so Scott is. He's a huge guy too.

2330
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:37,640
Speaker 1: Like when I first met Scott, it was wasn't at

2331
02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:40,280
Speaker 1: all what I was expecting. Scott's like six three two

2332
02:12:40,520 --> 02:12:43,520
Speaker 1: d and fifty pounds. He was a Navy seal instructor.

2333
02:12:43,600 --> 02:12:48,040
Speaker 1: So he's intimidating, large guy, his hands just huge guy,

2334
02:12:48,760 --> 02:12:51,360
Speaker 1: very delicate touch. It's really amazing to watch him. Those

2335
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:54,960
Speaker 1: giant myths and a little teeny breast, you know. So

2336
02:12:55,840 --> 02:12:58,080
Speaker 1: talk Scott into coming out to the shop and I've

2337
02:12:58,160 --> 02:12:59,720
Speaker 1: got it set up. You know, everything's cleaned out of

2338
02:12:59,720 --> 02:13:01,920
Speaker 1: the way, and the deer's on the mounting stand straight

2339
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:04,080
Speaker 1: up right when you open the doors, like lights on

2340
02:13:04,160 --> 02:13:07,000
Speaker 1: it look good. Scott opens the door and he's like,

2341
02:13:09,000 --> 02:13:10,960
Speaker 1: is that the deer? And I was like, that's the

2342
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:17,640
Speaker 1: deer and he's like that sucks. I was like really.

2343
02:13:18,040 --> 02:13:20,000
Speaker 1: I was like, do you need to get any closer

2344
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:22,640
Speaker 1: to it? And he's like no, I can tell it

2345
02:13:22,680 --> 02:13:25,720
Speaker 1: sucks from here and it's like twenty ft away. Like

2346
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:28,160
Speaker 1: I'm like wow. I was like, that is not at

2347
02:13:28,200 --> 02:13:30,080
Speaker 1: all what I was expected. I said. I was thinking,

2348
02:13:30,120 --> 02:13:32,040
Speaker 1: like you give me a gold star or something. He's like,

2349
02:13:32,080 --> 02:13:34,080
Speaker 1: here a long ways away from gold stars. What did

2350
02:13:34,080 --> 02:13:36,280
Speaker 1: you like about it? Which that was the thing, right,

2351
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:38,720
Speaker 1: Like I had no idea what was wrong with it? Like,

2352
02:13:38,760 --> 02:13:41,840
Speaker 1: I had no idea. So when I finally time, like

2353
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:43,480
Speaker 1: would you tell me what's wrong with it, and he's like,

2354
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:45,880
Speaker 1: are you gonna get like all, well, I like doing

2355
02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:47,240
Speaker 1: it like that or that's the way I think it

2356
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:48,840
Speaker 1: should look. And I was like no, I said I

2357
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:50,720
Speaker 1: would really like to know. And he's like, if you

2358
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:53,520
Speaker 1: really want to know, i'll help you. So he came

2359
02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:56,000
Speaker 1: out and worked with me for a few months, and uh,

2360
02:13:56,200 --> 02:13:58,640
Speaker 1: like the direction of hair, the way the hair grows

2361
02:13:58,680 --> 02:14:00,280
Speaker 1: like you look at a picture of a live deer,

2362
02:14:00,360 --> 02:14:03,360
Speaker 1: the way it grows around instead of just slicked back,

2363
02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:08,680
Speaker 1: the cow licks, your eyelash alignment, how big your bottom

2364
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:11,320
Speaker 1: lip exposure is to the with your nose padman like

2365
02:14:11,600 --> 02:14:14,240
Speaker 1: a lot. How long your earbud is if your ears

2366
02:14:14,280 --> 02:14:17,000
Speaker 1: back is it actually rolled in the right position? You know,

2367
02:14:17,080 --> 02:14:20,480
Speaker 1: the anatomy of it. I had no idea about that.

2368
02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:23,080
Speaker 1: And that's what gives the good ones like that looks.

2369
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:26,720
Speaker 1: You don't have to know why it looks like, what

2370
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:28,520
Speaker 1: made it look like that? But you can look at

2371
02:14:28,520 --> 02:14:30,840
Speaker 1: the two anybody can and be like, wow, that's clean,

2372
02:14:30,880 --> 02:14:33,120
Speaker 1: it looks nice. It looks like a deer. Yeah, when

2373
02:14:33,120 --> 02:14:35,840
Speaker 1: I shot him, he didn't have newspaper coming out, right,

2374
02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:41,120
Speaker 1: So just just getting the opportunity to have those guys

2375
02:14:41,160 --> 02:14:43,840
Speaker 1: that like that next level up or five levels up,

2376
02:14:43,880 --> 02:14:46,800
Speaker 1: wherever you happen to be, come in and actually help you.

2377
02:14:46,920 --> 02:14:50,520
Speaker 1: That's that's been the key for any anything that I do, well,

2378
02:14:50,760 --> 02:14:53,840
Speaker 1: had some really good and help over the years. How

2379
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:56,080
Speaker 1: many deer you done at this point? I have no

2380
02:14:56,200 --> 02:15:02,640
Speaker 1: idea A lot thousands, how many bears passed through your hands?

2381
02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:12,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a guess. Really, yeah, I mean I

2382
02:15:12,720 --> 02:15:16,120
Speaker 1: bet we skin close to a hundred a year, you know,

2383
02:15:16,240 --> 02:15:21,320
Speaker 1: I mean thousands of bears. So what what would given

2384
02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:23,800
Speaker 1: all that experience, like, what would be the thing that

2385
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:27,640
Speaker 1: gets your your creativity flowing? Like? What do you get

2386
02:15:27,640 --> 02:15:32,080
Speaker 1: excited about at this point? The thing that probably makes

2387
02:15:32,080 --> 02:15:33,840
Speaker 1: me the most excited at this point is if it's

2388
02:15:34,200 --> 02:15:38,040
Speaker 1: a really good conditioned specimen, not necessarily the size of

2389
02:15:38,080 --> 02:15:39,920
Speaker 1: it anything, but if it was like just really good

2390
02:15:39,960 --> 02:15:42,960
Speaker 1: condition and somebody wants to do a unique piece with it,

2391
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:46,600
Speaker 1: that's that's great. But I still, I mean, I still

2392
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:49,120
Speaker 1: love doing just a game head with nobody else. They're

2393
02:15:49,320 --> 02:15:52,880
Speaker 1: nice and quiet, just sitting there by myself. Oh yeah,

2394
02:15:53,040 --> 02:15:55,120
Speaker 1: like I can have my little spot. Everybody works over

2395
02:15:55,120 --> 02:15:59,120
Speaker 1: there that I work over here, enjoy it, oh very much. Yeah,

2396
02:15:59,160 --> 02:16:01,760
Speaker 1: that's still still my face. It is actually hands on,

2397
02:16:02,280 --> 02:16:04,920
Speaker 1: get to do it. What was it like with wolves?

2398
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:07,720
Speaker 1: We're all, you know, one minute, there's no wolf hunting,

2399
02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, and all sudden there's wolf hunting and you're

2400
02:16:11,240 --> 02:16:13,360
Speaker 1: in the thick of it, and and all of a sudden,

2401
02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:17,520
Speaker 1: like there's wolves coming in. Locally, I I had always

2402
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:20,040
Speaker 1: been known for kyot hunting, like that was my favorite

2403
02:16:20,040 --> 02:16:23,400
Speaker 1: thing to most of the time its kyotes. So everybody

2404
02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:26,000
Speaker 1: known we did a lot of kyotes. People in Laska,

2405
02:16:26,040 --> 02:16:27,920
Speaker 1: the Coastguard guys, they ship as wolves and stuff. So

2406
02:16:28,160 --> 02:16:30,640
Speaker 1: I had a lot of cane though you're getting wolves

2407
02:16:30,640 --> 02:16:34,520
Speaker 1: of all the place. And then when the wolf hunting started,

2408
02:16:34,800 --> 02:16:37,959
Speaker 1: I could already see that we were gonna have it

2409
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:40,720
Speaker 1: was gonna be another viable piece to bring into the business,

2410
02:16:40,800 --> 02:16:42,000
Speaker 1: you know. It wasn't just going to be like, well,

2411
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:45,520
Speaker 1: we might do a wolf. So like how we do

2412
02:16:45,560 --> 02:16:48,200
Speaker 1: have our own sculptings for the coyote heads I made.

2413
02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:50,840
Speaker 1: I made my own head for a pillow or a

2414
02:16:50,840 --> 02:16:52,600
Speaker 1: life size gun and used it for either way. And

2415
02:16:52,640 --> 02:16:55,240
Speaker 1: then I made a rugshell for an open mouth, like

2416
02:16:55,280 --> 02:16:58,760
Speaker 1: the relaxed open mouth, not the snarl. And at the

2417
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:00,400
Speaker 1: place I got a ko like that you did. I

2418
02:17:00,440 --> 02:17:03,720
Speaker 1: think at one time, if it was an open mouth wolf,

2419
02:17:03,879 --> 02:17:05,800
Speaker 1: back back when the season first came out, they were

2420
02:17:05,800 --> 02:17:09,520
Speaker 1: always like heavy snarls, like way heavy snarls. Um, and

2421
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:12,160
Speaker 1: I just I never liked that look. So I just

2422
02:17:12,200 --> 02:17:15,200
Speaker 1: went for a passive open mouth. And then I just

2423
02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:21,520
Speaker 1: actually redid that mold. Just about October or so, um

2424
02:17:21,520 --> 02:17:23,120
Speaker 1: that came out with a new mouth cup for it,

2425
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:24,959
Speaker 1: So I redid the mold to accept the new mouth

2426
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:27,640
Speaker 1: cup and just that nice clean pass. I think I

2427
02:17:27,879 --> 02:17:30,320
Speaker 1: posted that one, I think on my Instagram. Tell people

2428
02:17:30,360 --> 02:17:34,280
Speaker 1: what your instagram is. Hayes tax d me h a

2429
02:17:34,680 --> 02:17:39,160
Speaker 1: y ees, Hayes tax d me Studio. Yeah, that's a

2430
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:42,480
Speaker 1: good page. I like looking at that stuff. Man, it

2431
02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:46,680
Speaker 1: just comes so far. Yes, I think the discipline has

2432
02:17:46,760 --> 02:17:50,800
Speaker 1: come a long ways. And then like you're like, uh,

2433
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:55,000
Speaker 1: like an exemplary practitioner of a thing that's already like

2434
02:17:55,160 --> 02:18:00,119
Speaker 1: just so far beyond what it used to be. The

2435
02:18:00,120 --> 02:18:05,199
Speaker 1: the part where people are not just wanting to just

2436
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:06,959
Speaker 1: just have my head stuck on a wall. You know,

2437
02:18:07,200 --> 02:18:10,440
Speaker 1: it's it's my antlers, and yes, it's got I think

2438
02:18:10,480 --> 02:18:12,200
Speaker 1: it's cape on there. And that's good enough because I'm

2439
02:18:12,200 --> 02:18:14,600
Speaker 1: never going to look at anything below the antlers anyways.

2440
02:18:15,160 --> 02:18:19,160
Speaker 1: People want to see better work. They want their animal

2441
02:18:19,240 --> 02:18:20,960
Speaker 1: to look life like, They want them to be clean.

2442
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:23,120
Speaker 1: They don't want it to smell. You know that was

2443
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:25,720
Speaker 1: people that they're walking out the door and I don't

2444
02:18:25,720 --> 02:18:27,680
Speaker 1: want it to smell. I've had I've had so many

2445
02:18:27,720 --> 02:18:30,280
Speaker 1: mounts come in. People bring them in and they're like, hey,

2446
02:18:30,360 --> 02:18:32,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of old, it's funky, and you start opening

2447
02:18:32,720 --> 02:18:35,360
Speaker 1: them up to take them apart, and that there had

2448
02:18:35,400 --> 02:18:38,600
Speaker 1: been a healthy population of things living inside the mountains

2449
02:18:38,640 --> 02:18:42,720
Speaker 1: in their house for years until they completely consumed everything.

2450
02:18:43,520 --> 02:18:46,520
Speaker 1: Like I've had schools that I found and you wondered why.

2451
02:18:46,520 --> 02:18:49,400
Speaker 1: I was like a little cone of sawdust underneath them

2452
02:18:49,400 --> 02:18:52,800
Speaker 1: all the time here like something one of those beatles,

2453
02:18:52,879 --> 02:18:55,560
Speaker 1: or there was the working at it, or the little

2454
02:18:55,560 --> 02:18:58,640
Speaker 1: bit of hair people like, I'm noticing some hair on

2455
02:18:58,680 --> 02:19:00,600
Speaker 1: the coffee table below the deer head. Do you know

2456
02:19:00,640 --> 02:19:05,440
Speaker 1: what that would be from? Like something's eating it. It's

2457
02:19:05,480 --> 02:19:09,560
Speaker 1: like i'd get it out of there forward at first

2458
02:19:09,600 --> 02:19:12,840
Speaker 1: light when uh he drew his at a whole mountain

2459
02:19:12,879 --> 02:19:16,680
Speaker 1: goat like most you know, first time nonresident applicants do

2460
02:19:16,720 --> 02:19:25,680
Speaker 1: in Idaho, like all the other first Light employees. Draw Um.

2461
02:19:25,720 --> 02:19:29,800
Speaker 1: It took him long time because to go back and

2462
02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:33,920
Speaker 1: he's like, yes, it's most a smell like this it

2463
02:19:34,120 --> 02:19:38,520
Speaker 1: had like He's like, you kept taking it back. There

2464
02:19:38,560 --> 02:19:42,000
Speaker 1: was a smell, and I was like, man, you know,

2465
02:19:43,240 --> 02:19:45,600
Speaker 1: not supposed to like that, supposed to go inside your house.

2466
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:50,560
Speaker 1: Goats and antelope. Those are two of the ones that

2467
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:53,600
Speaker 1: I've seen come in where people are like, stinks and

2468
02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:56,160
Speaker 1: most of the time they didn't sweat the horn off.

2469
02:19:57,320 --> 02:20:02,160
Speaker 1: Oh that though, don't you check on that if oh,

2470
02:20:02,200 --> 02:20:04,520
Speaker 1: when they're dropping it off it smells. Yes, they're like

2471
02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:07,080
Speaker 1: they bring a mountain and they're like, this thing smells.

2472
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:08,760
Speaker 1: One of them. They were like, we put it out

2473
02:20:08,800 --> 02:20:10,760
Speaker 1: in the shed for six months and it still stinks.

2474
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:14,360
Speaker 1: And but not that you didn't stuff it. No, no, no,

2475
02:20:14,520 --> 02:20:17,480
Speaker 1: we take the horns because you make to that. Yeah,

2476
02:20:18,560 --> 02:20:20,360
Speaker 1: so I noticed, I want to use to check and

2477
02:20:20,360 --> 02:20:23,920
Speaker 1: see if that if they did a shitty job, that's yeah,

2478
02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:25,760
Speaker 1: if they did a shitty job, because they might have

2479
02:20:25,760 --> 02:20:27,640
Speaker 1: bondled it back on there. But like it's a bunch

2480
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:33,720
Speaker 1: of goog up in there. Horned. Most your horned and

2481
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:38,400
Speaker 1: go ahead, explained horn sheath and horn. Yeah case and

2482
02:20:38,440 --> 02:20:47,440
Speaker 1: point point my massive antelope. Huh, I wonder about my analope.

2483
02:20:47,720 --> 02:20:51,000
Speaker 1: Let's well, I was going to bring up your antelope

2484
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:56,000
Speaker 1: skull because your folks they sealed. I noticed they sealed

2485
02:20:56,040 --> 02:20:59,320
Speaker 1: around the bases of the horn sheath, which I'd never

2486
02:20:59,360 --> 02:21:03,920
Speaker 1: seen before. Most horned animals have a bone core and

2487
02:21:04,040 --> 02:21:07,920
Speaker 1: a horn sheet, not antlered, but horn horn. And there's

2488
02:21:07,959 --> 02:21:11,240
Speaker 1: a lot of There is a lot of those between

2489
02:21:11,320 --> 02:21:14,320
Speaker 1: those two. Man And if you don't get that off,

2490
02:21:15,280 --> 02:21:17,640
Speaker 1: you can do a couple different methods, but for most

2491
02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:20,600
Speaker 1: practical purposes, we call it sweating. You get it all

2492
02:21:20,600 --> 02:21:23,320
Speaker 1: skinned out, and then you just wrap it in plastic bags,

2493
02:21:23,360 --> 02:21:25,080
Speaker 1: like three or four bags and leave it in like

2494
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:28,440
Speaker 1: room temperature area for three to five days. It's called

2495
02:21:28,480 --> 02:21:34,320
Speaker 1: that rotting them off. Yeah, you guys called right, And

2496
02:21:34,360 --> 02:21:36,360
Speaker 1: then you can just twist and pop them off and

2497
02:21:36,360 --> 02:21:40,840
Speaker 1: then on the inside just like just like goo in there, right,

2498
02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:43,800
Speaker 1: the gooey ist of goo is the sheep. That one's

2499
02:21:43,800 --> 02:21:47,400
Speaker 1: always that's impressive taking big horns and pop those off.

2500
02:21:47,480 --> 02:21:50,440
Speaker 1: But and then that you're saying, like that's what's kind

2501
02:21:50,480 --> 02:21:53,119
Speaker 1: of rotting inside? That would give because they will try

2502
02:21:53,120 --> 02:21:56,200
Speaker 1: in place if you left it out and like you know,

2503
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:58,040
Speaker 1: if you brought it in, the guy just takes the

2504
02:21:58,080 --> 02:22:01,520
Speaker 1: skull cap off and left the horns on and underneath

2505
02:22:01,520 --> 02:22:04,480
Speaker 1: the horns. In a year's time hanging up in a building,

2506
02:22:04,520 --> 02:22:06,480
Speaker 1: it will dry on there and you would have to

2507
02:22:06,480 --> 02:22:09,040
Speaker 1: soak it in water get it to come off. Never,

2508
02:22:09,080 --> 02:22:12,400
Speaker 1: it's never gonna smell right. My brother Danny, he's got

2509
02:22:12,480 --> 02:22:17,040
Speaker 1: when he's doing doll sheet, he takes a cooler and

2510
02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:19,680
Speaker 1: takes a contractor bag, puts a sheep head in there,

2511
02:22:19,720 --> 02:22:22,560
Speaker 1: pours a cup of water in there, waits a long time,

2512
02:22:22,879 --> 02:22:24,840
Speaker 1: pulls it out, lays out a piece of plywood on

2513
02:22:25,000 --> 02:22:27,720
Speaker 1: the ground and hooks it down and pop, you know,

2514
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:30,480
Speaker 1: also do you wiggle the horn? Pop right off. He's

2515
02:22:30,480 --> 02:22:32,400
Speaker 1: got his whole little system that's got a special piece

2516
02:22:32,400 --> 02:22:37,879
Speaker 1: of plywood for that purpose. Like a good what it

2517
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:43,360
Speaker 1: is unbelievably foul though, like the beer mugs are making

2518
02:22:43,360 --> 02:22:45,200
Speaker 1: now out of horns, sing and drink out of it.

2519
02:22:45,280 --> 02:22:47,600
Speaker 1: I would never drink out of one. I've spent too

2520
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:49,879
Speaker 1: much time. Like when I see him, I always like, huh,

2521
02:22:50,000 --> 02:22:51,640
Speaker 1: you just smell it looking at like a little vix

2522
02:22:51,720 --> 02:22:53,879
Speaker 1: vapor rub in a mask, you know, to help cut

2523
02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:55,520
Speaker 1: down on it. And I'm like, I'm not drinking out

2524
02:22:55,520 --> 02:22:58,120
Speaker 1: of that thing. How do if people wanted to bring

2525
02:22:58,160 --> 02:23:01,160
Speaker 1: something to your studio but they don't live around you,

2526
02:23:01,720 --> 02:23:03,760
Speaker 1: how do you how do they like make that decision?

2527
02:23:04,320 --> 02:23:05,600
Speaker 1: Not how do they make this that's not the right

2528
02:23:05,640 --> 02:23:08,360
Speaker 1: word what they like? You don't just like stick a

2529
02:23:08,400 --> 02:23:10,560
Speaker 1: deer in the mail. We get a lot of stuff

2530
02:23:10,640 --> 02:23:14,400
Speaker 1: shipped in through FedEx, FedEx and ups. We get stuff

2531
02:23:14,400 --> 02:23:17,440
Speaker 1: shipped in. They can skin their deer down to the

2532
02:23:17,480 --> 02:23:21,320
Speaker 1: base of the head, sever the head yep. Use most

2533
02:23:21,320 --> 02:23:24,640
Speaker 1: commonly like even like this tote here, that's just stuff

2534
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:26,520
Speaker 1: that we get stacks of totes brought in there and

2535
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:28,480
Speaker 1: you'll talk him through the process, yep. And that we

2536
02:23:28,520 --> 02:23:31,800
Speaker 1: usually recommend doing FedEx second day air um, not overnight

2537
02:23:31,879 --> 02:23:33,920
Speaker 1: because usually it should be frozen. And asked the thought

2538
02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:36,680
Speaker 1: out and they got to have the paperwork square and

2539
02:23:36,760 --> 02:23:39,039
Speaker 1: help with the paperwork, and they go down and get

2540
02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:43,039
Speaker 1: everything set up. And we had a deer show up

2541
02:23:43,160 --> 02:23:47,440
Speaker 1: on last night actually from Wisconsin, so he has wanted

2542
02:23:47,480 --> 02:23:51,480
Speaker 1: you to do it. That's not a problem. Nope, No,

2543
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:54,320
Speaker 1: we get most of our work and you created and

2544
02:23:54,360 --> 02:23:56,640
Speaker 1: shipping back to him. Yeah, yep, we ship all over

2545
02:23:56,680 --> 02:23:59,280
Speaker 1: the country. She got a guy that just making crates

2546
02:24:00,040 --> 02:24:02,840
Speaker 1: m hm. And then we also this year there was

2547
02:24:02,920 --> 02:24:07,000
Speaker 1: another company with the the rise on like the materials

2548
02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:10,800
Speaker 1: for creating all the lumber prices. They started doing crate lists.

2549
02:24:10,959 --> 02:24:14,440
Speaker 1: So this company doesn't do anything besides ship taxidermy. They

2550
02:24:14,440 --> 02:24:16,760
Speaker 1: just travel around and so you don't have the cost

2551
02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:19,680
Speaker 1: of the crate factored in. And they have the same

2552
02:24:19,720 --> 02:24:22,400
Speaker 1: systems of plates that we mount all of our stuff

2553
02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:24,440
Speaker 1: to the stands when we're actually working on them, and

2554
02:24:24,480 --> 02:24:25,840
Speaker 1: so they'll just take it and put a plate on

2555
02:24:25,879 --> 02:24:27,280
Speaker 1: it and mount him in the trailer and then just

2556
02:24:27,320 --> 02:24:31,640
Speaker 1: travel around drop it off. There's a guy in Alaska.

2557
02:24:32,520 --> 02:24:35,560
Speaker 1: There's probably motile guys in Alaska do that. They like

2558
02:24:35,600 --> 02:24:38,840
Speaker 1: Their business is at the end of the year transporting

2559
02:24:39,000 --> 02:24:41,000
Speaker 1: hauling all that ship down to the lower forty eight.

2560
02:24:41,040 --> 02:24:45,360
Speaker 1: And then they got drop off points. Yep, we just

2561
02:24:45,440 --> 02:24:50,760
Speaker 1: had big moose and adul sheep dropped off at our

2562
02:24:50,840 --> 02:24:53,440
Speaker 1: tannery and then I'll go pick up the antlers at

2563
02:24:53,480 --> 02:24:55,200
Speaker 1: some point. But we got a long time until its

2564
02:24:55,240 --> 02:24:58,320
Speaker 1: stand and then uh like uh, I have to go

2565
02:24:58,400 --> 02:25:01,959
Speaker 1: over to John Edwards from standing is Um, they harvested

2566
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:04,080
Speaker 1: a big Yukon moose and us so I'm gonna pick

2567
02:25:04,160 --> 02:25:06,640
Speaker 1: up the antlers from them today. And their cape got

2568
02:25:06,959 --> 02:25:09,440
Speaker 1: drop shipped right to one of our tanneries in Michigan.

2569
02:25:09,640 --> 02:25:12,240
Speaker 1: And then we just got confirmation yesterday that it'll be

2570
02:25:12,320 --> 02:25:14,800
Speaker 1: here next week. So we'll make that loop and pick

2571
02:25:14,840 --> 02:25:17,720
Speaker 1: that up and they're gonna do a half life size

2572
02:25:17,720 --> 02:25:22,240
Speaker 1: in the store. Really yeah, yeah, just the ass end

2573
02:25:27,400 --> 02:25:30,680
Speaker 1: my old man had, My old man had, my brothers

2574
02:25:30,720 --> 02:25:34,080
Speaker 1: stole the ass when you went in the bathroom. Inside

2575
02:25:34,120 --> 02:25:36,720
Speaker 1: the bathroom was the pig's ass, and outside the bathroom

2576
02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:38,640
Speaker 1: with the pig's head. But he did that thing the

2577
02:25:38,640 --> 02:25:40,160
Speaker 1: guys used to do in the old days, where like

2578
02:25:40,240 --> 02:25:42,560
Speaker 1: when they price still do when you glue the toss

2579
02:25:42,560 --> 02:25:45,640
Speaker 1: in you barely stick the tuscan and then glue it

2580
02:25:45,640 --> 02:25:48,840
Speaker 1: so it looks like it's got like huge like fives

2581
02:25:48,920 --> 02:25:51,880
Speaker 1: going out of it, you know. And now then you'll

2582
02:25:51,879 --> 02:25:55,320
Speaker 1: see old where they would like really exaggerate bear fangs. Dude,

2583
02:25:55,320 --> 02:25:57,840
Speaker 1: they let a lot of hang out, let a lot

2584
02:25:57,840 --> 02:25:59,880
Speaker 1: of it hang out to make it look more ferocious.

2585
02:26:00,400 --> 02:26:04,280
Speaker 1: That's not your scene, no, no, I honestly, I'm I'm

2586
02:26:04,320 --> 02:26:07,800
Speaker 1: more into just the details of trying to make it

2587
02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:10,560
Speaker 1: look alive again. Yeah, well, I'm Johnny Man the bear

2588
02:26:10,720 --> 02:26:13,080
Speaker 1: the barry did the close mouth bear rugg you did

2589
02:26:13,160 --> 02:26:17,200
Speaker 1: for me. I don't wait to see you. It's I'm

2590
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:19,320
Speaker 1: still waiting for Chester. I supposed to be hanging at

2591
02:26:19,320 --> 02:26:22,480
Speaker 1: some pitch up. But these guys Seth and Chester actually

2592
02:26:22,520 --> 02:26:24,160
Speaker 1: have a little desk these Chester is not here, but

2593
02:26:24,160 --> 02:26:25,880
Speaker 1: they have a little desk next to each other, and

2594
02:26:25,959 --> 02:26:31,280
Speaker 1: they call their little area the bear Den. It's like

2595
02:26:31,320 --> 02:26:33,920
Speaker 1: in the Muppets. It's two old man. They have that

2596
02:26:34,480 --> 02:26:42,199
Speaker 1: little booth, you know. It's called the mediums the medium sketch. Yeah,

2597
02:26:42,200 --> 02:26:46,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't raring. It certainly wasn't done. But they're in

2598
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:49,720
Speaker 1: kind of a recessed area. But my bear is hanging

2599
02:26:50,040 --> 02:26:51,840
Speaker 1: over the rail and the bear den right now, I'm

2600
02:26:51,840 --> 02:26:53,680
Speaker 1: gonna get a hung up as clay as going up

2601
02:26:53,720 --> 02:26:55,600
Speaker 1: there too. I don't know what we're gonna do with

2602
02:26:55,640 --> 02:26:57,880
Speaker 1: ex seed now. It's gonna take a while, but we Yeah,

2603
02:26:58,120 --> 02:26:59,840
Speaker 1: never mind that thing is there's a lot of stuff.

2604
02:26:59,920 --> 02:27:02,520
Speaker 1: Is I get moved to a new place at some

2605
02:27:02,600 --> 02:27:05,160
Speaker 1: point soon, meaning all of our ship, all of your ship.

2606
02:27:05,200 --> 02:27:06,920
Speaker 1: So it's just hard to get excited about hanging anything

2607
02:27:06,959 --> 02:27:11,600
Speaker 1: up right now? Right competitive delivery serve us? Were you

2608
02:27:11,680 --> 02:27:15,879
Speaker 1: factor in the cost of me listening to how you

2609
02:27:16,000 --> 02:27:20,440
Speaker 1: got the animal I delivered, not to show up to deliver.

2610
02:27:21,000 --> 02:27:26,520
Speaker 1: I will give you an hour of happened? How far

2611
02:27:26,600 --> 02:27:38,000
Speaker 1: did you go? Good? Hit on it? All the questions. Yeah,

2612
02:27:38,240 --> 02:27:42,720
Speaker 1: you can sell that you got all the retired Border

2613
02:27:42,720 --> 02:27:46,880
Speaker 1: Patrol guys and stuff for that stuff. Oh yeah, yeah,

2614
02:27:47,080 --> 02:27:49,400
Speaker 1: hanging out with the coffee shop. But they could a

2615
02:27:49,440 --> 02:27:58,199
Speaker 1: little more new faces to what's the ballistic coefficient on that? Alright,

2616
02:27:58,360 --> 02:28:04,000
Speaker 1: Hayes tax jermy studio, Libby Montana. Do you got more

2617
02:28:04,040 --> 02:28:06,320
Speaker 1: room for more business? Your business? And I got a

2618
02:28:07,040 --> 02:28:08,879
Speaker 1: hide in a freezer I told you about. You got

2619
02:28:09,160 --> 02:28:12,680
Speaker 1: to take that absolutely bring with him right now. Yep.

2620
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:17,280
Speaker 1: Did you get Yanni's Bobcat yet? Not yet? Not yet?

2621
02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:19,560
Speaker 1: We just got actually when I was pulling up here

2622
02:28:19,600 --> 02:28:22,000
Speaker 1: this morning, we just got confirmation on the reproductions going

2623
02:28:22,040 --> 02:28:25,000
Speaker 1: there in the works for the sheep. Now that's gonna

2624
02:28:25,000 --> 02:28:29,680
Speaker 1: be cool. Yeah, should be pretty new. Big horn. That

2625
02:28:29,720 --> 02:28:31,960
Speaker 1: was the first bear ever skinned all and it was

2626
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:33,879
Speaker 1: all by myself in the middle of the night. So

2627
02:28:33,920 --> 02:28:37,080
Speaker 1: hopefully I didn't does he miss an appendage? That's that's

2628
02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:40,320
Speaker 1: old stumpy. You can do a recreation on the appendage.

2629
02:28:41,360 --> 02:28:49,600
Speaker 1: Put a fish on it, you mean like head, is

2630
02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:53,080
Speaker 1: it black? You got a human arm? You can is

2631
02:28:53,080 --> 02:28:56,880
Speaker 1: it a black color phase? Yeah? Black? Yep, we could

2632
02:28:56,920 --> 02:29:00,720
Speaker 1: put another one on there. Kind of like the way

2633
02:29:00,760 --> 02:29:04,440
Speaker 1: it was, keep it the way it was, like Clays bear,

2634
02:29:05,480 --> 02:29:09,000
Speaker 1: yeah whatever, Like did you reconstruct that bear's face or

2635
02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:10,600
Speaker 1: did it stay the same? That looked like it been

2636
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:15,000
Speaker 1: a hit about lawnmower, the opera kind of stuff. The face, Um,

2637
02:29:15,480 --> 02:29:18,480
Speaker 1: you can only do so much before you distort the

2638
02:29:18,480 --> 02:29:20,480
Speaker 1: shape of the face. We were able to take out

2639
02:29:20,480 --> 02:29:23,039
Speaker 1: as many of the shave outs. And my boys just

2640
02:29:23,080 --> 02:29:25,520
Speaker 1: watched that episode like a week ago there, like what's

2641
02:29:25,520 --> 02:29:28,560
Speaker 1: wrong with that bear's head? And then we uh, the

2642
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:30,320
Speaker 1: ears were so far gone. We had to cut the

2643
02:29:30,360 --> 02:29:33,240
Speaker 1: ears off another stock bear we had and lay those

2644
02:29:33,280 --> 02:29:35,600
Speaker 1: onto you know, you guys talk about different bears. A

2645
02:29:35,800 --> 02:29:38,120
Speaker 1: you're talking about the bear Clays bear had gotten in

2646
02:29:38,200 --> 02:29:39,840
Speaker 1: a fight. He'd been in a fight and had his

2647
02:29:39,920 --> 02:29:42,840
Speaker 1: muzzle all bit up. He thought about Clay had, oh,

2648
02:29:43,000 --> 02:29:46,680
Speaker 1: like the biggest black the biggest black bear rug because

2649
02:29:46,720 --> 02:29:49,959
Speaker 1: not just a length but I mean it's huge, just like, yeah,

2650
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:53,680
Speaker 1: did you do? It was all messed up? He had

2651
02:29:53,800 --> 02:29:57,760
Speaker 1: it was all destroyed, messed up, and he rejuvenated it.

2652
02:29:58,280 --> 02:30:01,000
Speaker 1: Got it was. It wasn't taken care of. He didn't

2653
02:30:01,000 --> 02:30:02,160
Speaker 1: know what he's gonna do with it. He had a

2654
02:30:02,240 --> 02:30:04,440
Speaker 1: hanging around his house as just like a rug that's

2655
02:30:04,440 --> 02:30:06,600
Speaker 1: like a tan hide. My bad. I thought we were

2656
02:30:06,600 --> 02:30:08,200
Speaker 1: talking about, Oh the bear that got bit up by

2657
02:30:08,200 --> 02:30:11,280
Speaker 1: a bear. I don't know what he did with that bear. Yeah,

2658
02:30:11,480 --> 02:30:14,720
Speaker 1: I think it turned out great. It was. It was lucky.

2659
02:30:14,959 --> 02:30:18,680
Speaker 1: We luckily we had the right bears in stock to

2660
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:21,560
Speaker 1: us to take pieces after place parts and stuff. So

2661
02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:24,080
Speaker 1: it was definitely yeah, I got lucky on that. And

2662
02:30:24,080 --> 02:30:26,640
Speaker 1: my bear is beautiful. Man, my clothes mouth bear rug.

2663
02:30:26,840 --> 02:30:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm a real soccer for rugs. Man. I like those

2664
02:30:28,680 --> 02:30:31,520
Speaker 1: bear rugs. I like rugs. Always did a great job,

2665
02:30:32,440 --> 02:30:34,720
Speaker 1: enjoyed doing him. A lot of places to kind of

2666
02:30:34,720 --> 02:30:37,160
Speaker 1: look down on rug work. They're like, you know, maybe

2667
02:30:37,160 --> 02:30:39,080
Speaker 1: I have my my wife do that or something. I

2668
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:42,840
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Yeah, it's not really not really likestigious thing.

2669
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:45,840
Speaker 1: I got like I gave some away, but yeah, I

2670
02:30:45,840 --> 02:30:48,360
Speaker 1: mean I got like a mountain lion rug, Himalayan tar

2671
02:30:48,480 --> 02:30:53,000
Speaker 1: rug that gave my body. A lot of bear rugs,

2672
02:30:53,200 --> 02:31:01,879
Speaker 1: rugs the old. Yeah, yeah, I always like a lot.

2673
02:31:02,640 --> 02:31:05,360
Speaker 1: I think a well done rug is really beautiful. Bad

2674
02:31:05,480 --> 02:31:07,680
Speaker 1: rugs for bad you know I'm saying bad anything, you know,

2675
02:31:07,720 --> 02:31:14,280
Speaker 1: bad rugs for bad people? All right, Hayze Tax Durny

2676
02:31:14,320 --> 02:31:25,320
Speaker 1: Studio yourself. No, it does beautiful stuff. Go look at

2677
02:31:25,320 --> 02:31:29,080
Speaker 1: the crazy ass kyote squishy thing as Steve Hornella. Make

2678
02:31:29,120 --> 02:31:31,879
Speaker 1: sure to hit following you there on Instagram. Go to

2679
02:31:31,920 --> 02:31:34,720
Speaker 1: Hayes tax rest. Go and see for yourself beautiful work.

2680
02:31:34,760 --> 02:31:37,920
Speaker 1: I'll live in Montana and I'll send a box over there.

2681
02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:41,000
Speaker 1: We'll be there. Rough skin it so it's got a

2682
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:43,039
Speaker 1: lot of fat meat on it. Throw a jar, assault

2683
02:31:43,120 --> 02:31:46,039
Speaker 1: on Aaron. Do they need to send you an email

2684
02:31:46,120 --> 02:31:48,039
Speaker 1: beforehand that like, hey, I'm sending a box or do

2685
02:31:48,040 --> 02:31:52,600
Speaker 1: you just get boxes from I strongly encourage before contact

2686
02:31:52,640 --> 02:31:56,560
Speaker 1: before Yeah, we actually had a amount of animal ship

2687
02:31:56,600 --> 02:32:01,280
Speaker 1: to us with no name, no times, act, no nothing.

2688
02:32:01,680 --> 02:32:03,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you know, run it through

2689
02:32:03,640 --> 02:32:06,840
Speaker 1: the tanning process. And it was probably the most patient

2690
02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:09,360
Speaker 1: customer we ever had. It was about four years later

2691
02:32:09,440 --> 02:32:13,200
Speaker 1: this guy calls up and He's like, hey, man, where's

2692
02:32:13,240 --> 02:32:16,000
Speaker 1: my or whatever it was? And I'm like who are

2693
02:32:16,040 --> 02:32:18,200
Speaker 1: Like who are you? You know? And he gives me

2694
02:32:18,280 --> 02:32:20,400
Speaker 1: his name and I was like okay, So I go

2695
02:32:20,520 --> 02:32:22,440
Speaker 1: to the alphabetical file trying to find him. I was like,

2696
02:32:22,480 --> 02:32:24,120
Speaker 1: when did he send it? And he's like it's been

2697
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:26,920
Speaker 1: a long time, all right. I'm rippling to there. I'm like,

2698
02:32:26,959 --> 02:32:29,280
Speaker 1: you're not even on file and I was like, wait

2699
02:32:29,280 --> 02:32:32,160
Speaker 1: a second, was it did you ship? He's like, yeah,

2700
02:32:32,200 --> 02:32:33,880
Speaker 1: that's me. I'm like, well, you gotta put your name

2701
02:32:33,879 --> 02:32:36,440
Speaker 1: in it. Before he ascended to me, there was nothing

2702
02:32:36,520 --> 02:32:38,600
Speaker 1: there and he's like, oh, you still got it. I

2703
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:41,040
Speaker 1: was like, we still got it. We were doing yeah,

2704
02:32:41,160 --> 02:32:42,440
Speaker 1: able to get it down and get it to him.

2705
02:32:42,720 --> 02:32:47,520
Speaker 1: That's great, that's happy. End the story. Oh Everyboddy John Hayes,

2706
02:32:47,560 --> 02:32:49,680
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for joining. Thank you very much. Send

2707
02:32:49,760 --> 02:32:51,480
Speaker 1: send all your text and re ordered John who get

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02:32:51,480 --> 02:32:54,560
Speaker 1: you squared away? Those beautiful work. And I should point

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02:32:54,560 --> 02:32:57,680
Speaker 1: out the Freedom Mounts look amazing. I call him, You're

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02:32:57,760 --> 02:32:59,760
Speaker 1: I don't like remember how they had to rebrand French

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02:32:59,760 --> 02:33:02,640
Speaker 1: for during the Iraq invasion. Yes, I don't like calling

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02:33:02,600 --> 02:33:08,760
Speaker 1: the European Mounts freedom Mounts. Freedom mounts, whether that yeah, beautiful,

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02:33:09,040 --> 02:33:12,800
Speaker 1: less or more, it's called the freedom mount. Judge a

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02:33:12,840 --> 02:33:17,120
Speaker 1: little less, a little less just the skull, but the

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02:33:17,120 --> 02:33:19,920
Speaker 1: bear is beautiful. I think it's pinned this way. When

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02:33:19,920 --> 02:33:21,320
Speaker 1: your kids picking up to show their friend and the

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02:33:21,400 --> 02:33:24,240
Speaker 1: jaw doesn't fall off the floor break in half, you

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02:33:24,360 --> 02:33:26,640
Speaker 1: prevent all that from happening. I feel like there's two

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02:33:26,680 --> 02:33:29,400
Speaker 1: things around without the European mounts a little more expensive,

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02:33:29,480 --> 02:33:33,760
Speaker 1: and it's gonna smell like cigarette Freedom mount over here.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks a lot, everybody,