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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants Huddle Podcast for this rapid reaction

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Speaker 1: to the Giants Buccaneers game. I'm Madeline Burke, joined by

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Speaker 1: Shawn O'Hara. But first a reminder that Giants Huddle Podcast

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Speaker 1: by Shaun O'Haras Shan. This was a tough one for

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Speaker 1: the Giants. Monday night football headed down to Tampa fell

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Speaker 1: to the Buccaneers thirty to ten. Where do we begin

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Speaker 1: with this one? Yeah, good question. I'll say this. Leading

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Speaker 1: up to this game, there was a couple of things

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Speaker 1: that kind of stood out to me. Number One, I

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Speaker 1: don't know when is a good time to play Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They're defending Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: champions Um. You know, their offenses high power, but certainly

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Speaker 1: not after they've lost two games in a row and

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady had one of his worst performances that you

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Speaker 1: can remember in the last couple of years. They just

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Speaker 1: got knocked off by Washington, who has a backup quarterback,

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Speaker 1: and Taylor Heinekey. Last week, um, Tom threw you know,

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Speaker 1: a couple of bad interceptions, and you know that that's

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Speaker 1: not exactly what what you want if you're the Giants.

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Speaker 1: But to go down there and the Giants coming off

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Speaker 1: of their bye week, you thought, hey, maybe there would

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Speaker 1: be some life, maybe there would be some new wrinkles,

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Speaker 1: maybe there would be some new energy. And as much

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Speaker 1: as it, you know, I felt like they were, Hey,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get off to a good start. The opening

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Speaker 1: drive of the game, I mean Tampa Bay literally marched

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Speaker 1: this is not exactly how you envisioned the start. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think offensively, you knew that there had to be

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Speaker 1: some big plays. There had to be some explosive plays

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Speaker 1: where it was through a gadget. We saw Darius Tony

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Speaker 1: throw a football at Darius Layton had a chance to

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Speaker 1: complete that. There was a flag on that play. It

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Speaker 1: looked like, all right, the Giants are gonna get a

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Speaker 1: big play out of that. And then the penalty he's

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Speaker 1: picked up, So you knew you're gonna have to come

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Speaker 1: up with some exposive points and ten points, Matt, and

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna win many football games only scoring ten points.

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Speaker 1: They needed more. The red zone continues to be the

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Speaker 1: Bermuda triangle for them. They just cannot seem to find

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Speaker 1: a way. UM, I guess the answer now is just

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Speaker 1: throw the ball to Andrew Thomas. Everything exactly right, because

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Speaker 1: that was the bright spot. That was the one touchdown

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Speaker 1: they had Daniel Jones to Andrew Thomas from the two

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Speaker 1: yard line. But hey, you know what, you gotta get creative.

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Speaker 1: You gotta get him where you fit in. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I love to see that bright spot. But as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: you know, I mean the Giants defense had no pass rush.

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Speaker 1: Brady dropped back forty six times, zero sacks on Tom Brady. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, the offense for the Giants had a really

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Speaker 1: hard time getting going. Sae Quon Barkley made his return. Um,

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Speaker 1: you can see him still kind of working his way

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Speaker 1: back into form. You know. It's it's like he wants

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Speaker 1: to do a little bit more than he's fully ready to.

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Speaker 1: Uh and not saying that he's not healthy, but as

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Speaker 1: you know, it takes a while to get back into

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Speaker 1: game shape and game rhythm, and that takes some time,

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Speaker 1: and you know you see them getting creative. You know,

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Speaker 1: could Darius Tony takes a wildcat snap and as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: Truss is a bomb to Darius Layton. Official throws the

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Speaker 1: flag that picks it up. That's, you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: curious what happened there to Um. You know, Dory Jackson

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Speaker 1: did get that interception, that's what led to that Andrew

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Speaker 1: Thomas touchdown. Giants got that points on the board. But

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Speaker 1: going into the half down UM Giants won the toss.

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Speaker 1: They deferred, so they're going to have the ball to

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Speaker 1: start the second half. You're down one score. Starting the

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Speaker 1: second half, they're driving, they get to it's fourth and one,

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Speaker 1: they go for it. Things kind of fall apart there

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Speaker 1: and the Giants don't score another point in the game

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Speaker 1: and that fourth and one. A lot of fans are

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Speaker 1: pointed that, like what happened there? Yeah, good question. I

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Speaker 1: just I didn't love the play call that we've seen

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Speaker 1: see Juan and then they try to roll Daniel Jones out.

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Speaker 1: It felt like, oh my gosh, I can't believe not

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Speaker 1: that they they didn't get the fourth down conversion, it

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Speaker 1: was that's the play call. That's what we're going to

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Speaker 1: with the game on the line, and the coaches saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: That's what we're dealt with. So that was a very

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Speaker 1: the end of of of that quarter and Darius Slayton

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Speaker 1: they have some awareness. You catch that ball, you immediately

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Speaker 1: a it's a lost opportunity right before halftime. So look,

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Speaker 1: second half, and things are a little bit different. But um,

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Speaker 1: that's just kind of been the way that John's have

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Speaker 1: been all year long. And they continually to find ways too.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're all self afflicted wounds. They find different

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Speaker 1: and I've mentioned to that end of the first half.

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Speaker 1: The Giants haven't been able to score in that time

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Speaker 1: at all this year. The red zone has been a struggle,

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Speaker 1: But so is that last couple of minutes of the

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Speaker 1: first half and that's you know, some pivotal time that's

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Speaker 1: coming out of the locker room and not being able

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Speaker 1: many good players. It's just one of those things that's

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Speaker 1: it's kind of mind boggling why it's not coming together better,

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Speaker 1: They've got Galady back, Tony's back. He was banged up

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Speaker 1: Um the cavalry has shown up, and we're going to

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Speaker 1: get some points out of it. And and it didn't happen. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: But look, he's human too, and I think he's got

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Speaker 1: to be frustrated along with all the other coaches, because

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Speaker 1: this is what they love, this is their passion. Nobody

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Speaker 1: puts in more time in the coaches. Look, we talked

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Speaker 1: Coaches are not. Coaches are FaceTime and their families like

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Speaker 1: they My online coach used to say goodbye to his

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Speaker 1: it's it's a different life. Coaching life is tough, and

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Speaker 1: yet I feel like, you know what, maybe they need

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Speaker 1: if you're Patrick Graham, it's a totally different game plan.

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Speaker 1: The game plan against Tom Brady was hey, don't give

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Speaker 1: And this game plan against Jen Hurts totally opposite. I

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Speaker 1: think he's a young quarterback. Blitz him early, blitz him often,

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Speaker 1: given things to think of out the challenges. You know,

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Speaker 1: had three rushing touchdowns I think seven yards rushing against

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Speaker 1: the Saints, who have a really good defense. But yet

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Speaker 1: look out Jalen Hurts. I think him combined with Miles

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Speaker 1: The Eagle's offensive line has been very physical. Jordan Mylotta

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Speaker 1: a different game plan obviously. Uh, the Giants missed Logan Ryan.

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Speaker 1: term memory and keep it moving forward. Shawn o hair

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