1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: Caf I Am six forty. 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John and Ken Show on demand 3 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 2: on the iHeartRadio app. Man, We're on the radio from 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 2: one until four and then after four o'clock. If you 5 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: missed the show or you didn't understand it the first 6 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: time Johnny Kent on demand, you can get it as 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: a podcast on the iHeart app. 8 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 3: It's a new interpretation. Didn't understand it the first time? Correct, 9 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 3: we were speaking a foreign language. 10 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: I've just heard that's occasionally a problem that people need 11 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: repeat listenings in order to fig God, really say that. 12 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: Get the replay out. Gosh, you still have a chance 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: to win money. We got keywords all three hours at 14 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: around twenty after. Did you hear the exciting news? 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: If you get the trumpets out? 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 3: Next week, the first atmospheric river is coming to California. 17 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 2: Here comes the rain. I'm excited beginning Wednesday. So this 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: really is going to be a permanent phrase. 19 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 1: Oh it is? Yes, I know you are the weather guy, 20 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: and I know it bothers you because it's a fake phrase. 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 3: They named winter storms they wanted to name what was 22 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 3: the thing they talked about a few months ago? 23 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: Also naming heat waves. Yeah, naming. Yes, heat waves too. 24 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: Why does everything? How come weather has a name? Now? 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: I like to have a heat wave named after the 26 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: It's like Bob the heat wave. Well it started with 27 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 2: the hurricanes. You never objected to that because that goes 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: way back, right, You were a kid growing up, they 29 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: were already named, they were already named. Yeah, so you 30 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: were already hurricanes were like a tremendous force of nature. 31 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: Remember when they only used to be only used to 32 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: be named after women. Remember hurricanes. 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not that long ago, which when they started 34 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: airing all the names. But you know, as a young 35 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: it's not binary names for hurricanes too, non binary. 36 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: Names the category. 37 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: I have all kinds of rude jokes. Yes, yes, many years, 38 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: probably until maybe twenty years ago. 39 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: But I remember as a kid it made sense that 40 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: storms would be named after women. Well that's because you're 41 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: in sexist. No, it's because my life experience growing up. 42 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 4: That is just so awful, John, It is massagynous, it 43 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 4: really is. 44 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: Let me take out my authority and find the word mythogenist. 45 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 1: I really didn't. 46 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: Understand naming a hurricane after a man. It just never 47 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: happens now. Example, It's just that and it still doesn't 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: sound quite right to me. How big was Hurricane Debra? 49 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: Did we have one? 50 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: It was so big? Oh? I think there was one 51 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 1: huge Hurricane Deborah. Really I look it up. Yeah. 52 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: You imagine her if she lived in a hurricane zone 53 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: versus this earthquake thing she frets about. But imagine because 54 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: they happened more often. I would say, especially if you're 55 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: a state like Florida. 56 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 4: Well, why do you think I don't live in Florida, 57 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 4: Ken That's really one of the reasons. 58 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: Why do you put up with earthquakes? 59 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 4: Because earthquakes are once in a you know, it's not 60 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 4: that big one's gonna wipe it. Say it's happening it is. 61 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 4: I may be dead, but another day close. Well, now 62 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 4: you may be dead, So it could be decades. 63 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: Away, it could. I doubt it. I think I'll still 64 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: be alive when the big one hits it I early 65 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: twenty five, so well, yeah, exactly, but I might die, 66 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: you know. Rubble falls Onmbie never objects to that joke. 67 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: Why would I. 68 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: Last night, they screened a documentary film from Israel at 69 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: the Museum of Tolerance. This was bearing witness to the 70 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: October seventh massacre It is an unedited from the Israeli 71 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: Defense Forces, an unedited look at what the Hamas terrorists 72 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,839 Speaker 3: did on that day to people that they rounded up, 73 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: and reports where they just killed every other person. So 74 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: some felt it was important to bring this film for 75 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: people to see so they'd really understand outside of the 76 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: small videos that have circulated and the photos and eyewitness reports. 77 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: They wanted people, I don't know that I could see this. 78 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: This sounds like it must be horrified. You know what 79 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: they should are they showing the babies being killed? 80 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: Or you know what? 81 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: They should broadcast this on every single television channel all 82 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: at the same time, so everyone knows what this is about. 83 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 2: Because if it's at a site, then it never happened 84 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 2: and you don't understand why it's going on. 85 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 3: And that's the Holocaust thing where people thought that the 86 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: world just didn't care because they didn't really have much 87 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 3: firsthand knowledge of what was going on, right. 88 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 2: And then you end up with an opinion based on 89 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: whatever crackpot the news website you read right right, or 90 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: whatever opinion site you read. It's like, no, actually, look 91 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 2: at this, this really happened. Here's the video, no editing, 92 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: have a look at it. I think the network should 93 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: be required to run this so we're educated, so we 94 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: know how vicious and brutal Moss is. And then after 95 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: you see it, then have your cockamede opinion, then go 96 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 2: out and protest. And I'm guessing that they got this 97 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: from a couple of sources. The Hamask guys, some of 98 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: them had go pros when they were and on their motorcycles 99 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: and grabbing people and attacking people, and they were also 100 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: sort of official videographers who went along. In fact, there's 101 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 2: a story that one of them was a freelancer for 102 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: the Associated Press and AP said, we had no knowledge 103 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: beforehand of these attacks. We didn't know these were going 104 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: to happen. And they have dumped this guy, but apparently 105 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: he embedded himself with the Hamas fighters. Was he the 106 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: guy who worked for CNN two Because I saw a 107 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: headline that CNN had a freelancer who turned out to 108 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 2: be a big Hamas fan. 109 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 3: Well, I saw that too, but I don't think it's 110 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: the same guy. It says here we are no longer 111 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: working with Hassan as Aleya. Is that the guy you're 112 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: talking about? That's the way, Yet, I don't remember the name. 113 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 3: I just had been an occasional freelancer for AP and 114 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: other international news organizations in Gaza. Ap us his images 115 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: taken by freelancers from around the world. 116 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: But did AP take the images and. 117 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,559 Speaker 2: Disseminate them or did they just well before they knew 118 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 2: he was a Hamas supporter. 119 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: I guess yeah, well. 120 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you get the images from the reporter, 121 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: someone should have said, well, is he right there with 122 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: them as they attacked? 123 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: I mean, what is this? 124 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: I would not have they asked him whether or not 125 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: they did play any of the images. But so last 126 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: night outside the Museum of Tolerance, the expected happened. People 127 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: from both sides showed up and there was some fisticuffs. 128 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 1: It was like that word fisticuffs. LAPD had to respond. 129 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 3: They didn't end up making any arrests, but there were 130 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: two battery reports filed and the victims declined medical treatment, 131 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 3: but no arrests were made. It's not clear how many 132 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: people were gathered outside. He says here the gathering concluded peacefully, 133 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: but a small group it turned an hour later and 134 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: engaged in the physical altercation. 135 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: I guess they thought about it and came back and 136 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: said I'd like to beat somebody. 137 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Why don't these sidewalk soldiers join Hamas, Why don't 138 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: you join the. 139 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: Military? That you could join the Israeli military too. 140 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: Sure, it's like you're on a sidewalk in Los Angeles 141 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: because it's safer. 142 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: Go go fly. You know, anybody wants to go to Gaza. 143 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, go to a sidewalk in Gaza and tell Amas 144 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: what you're what you're gonna do for them? 145 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,239 Speaker 1: All right, Wendel show shilly. 146 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, the shilliest person of course, the 147 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: mayor Karen Bass. We cannot allow current world by tension 148 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: to devolve into this unacceptable violence in our city. We 149 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: must stand together. Thank you, Thank you very much for 150 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: stating the object well said. When we return, The Daily 151 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: Mail has unearthed what appears to be the identity of 152 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: the fifty year old man from Moore Park who may 153 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: have hit Paul Kesley with the megaphone, knocking him to 154 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,239 Speaker 2: the ground where he hit his head and he eventually died. 155 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: We'll talk about who this person is. 156 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 3: It's probably a pretty good guest because he was photographed 157 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: while he sat on the curb being interrogated by police 158 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: and they kind of just ran through the their their 159 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: sources to figure out who he was, so we can 160 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: talk a bit about this man who has not been 161 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: charged in the death of Paul Kesler, but certainly it 162 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: seems likely it's somewhere down the road. 163 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: Probably he will be charged with something. 164 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on Demand from KFI 165 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 166 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: Big story this week, of course, is the death of 167 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 3: a man by the name of Paul Kessler, who was 168 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: at a counter protest in Thousand Oaks, Westlake Village. On 169 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: the other side of the street were pro Palestinian people. 170 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 3: This was Sunday afternoon, and eventually Kessler fell to the pavement, 171 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: hit his head, did not recover from his injuries. Reports 172 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 3: were that he was first struck in the face with 173 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: like a bullhorn or a megaphone. As of this time, 174 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: so far as we know, Ventura County authorities have not charged 175 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: anybody in the death of Paul Kesler, but there certainly 176 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: is a person of interest, and we only knew him 177 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: earlier this week as a fifty year old more Park 178 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: man described as bigger than Paul Kessler. Looking at these pictures, 179 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 3: I would say that would be an accurate description. And 180 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: the Daily Mail believes that they have identified and exclusive 181 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: the man in question. He's a college professor by the 182 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: name of Lowey al Naji and he teaches computer science 183 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: at Ventura Community College. That's who they believe is the 184 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: person that had the encounter with Paul Kessler. This guy 185 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: eats well, he got Yes, he's got really scragging little beard. 186 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: There's a picture of him sitting on the sidewalk because 187 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: he was detained, obviously for questioning, and reports confirmed he 188 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 3: was one of the people that called nine to one 189 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: one after Kesseler went down. But we don't know the 190 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 3: full story and the last we heard from Ventura County authorities. 191 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 3: Why are we getting conflicting reports. We got to sort 192 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 3: this out. But a neighbor and this is how they 193 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: do this. A woman named Millie Revesio or Reveso told 194 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: the Daily Mail. My husband was getting on from Costco 195 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: and he saw a swat team, six cops with rifles 196 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: in full gear. Their vehicles were not police cars, they 197 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: were unmarked. And that's when the rated al Naji's home, 198 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 3: obviously in connection with what happened in one thousand Oaks. 199 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: So the other thing we learned from this that he 200 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 3: is unabashed in the support for the Palestinian caused no 201 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 3: surprise there, but he posted online a video of some 202 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: activists by the name of Shaheed King Bolson comparing Hamas 203 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: with his historic civil rights icons like Nelson Mandela and 204 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: Mahatma Gandhi. 205 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: H Yeah, there you go. He's just a lunatic. 206 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 3: No, no, no, they're compared to Isis. That's who they're 207 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 3: compared to. That's right, not an icon. 208 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: That's right. This was a like a game show question. 209 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: You want al Qaeda isis? 210 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: You want to compare Hamas closer to Gandhi or to Isis? 211 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: What would be the correct answer there? 212 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: Well, what this Baltson character said, we'll talk more about him, 213 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: was if someone asked me to condemn Hamas, I would say, 214 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: what's the rush. Let's let history decide. 215 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: Everybody condemned Nelson Mandela until you didn't until he was 216 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 2: a hero. You condemned Gandhi until you didn't. Let's wait 217 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: and see him because you might change your mind in 218 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: this one too. No, I don't think so. 219 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 3: I don't think that Mandela and Gandhi led a terror 220 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: raid that killed a whole lot of people. 221 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 2: When it's your terrorists, when it's your massacre you always 222 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 2: have a really clever answer, like you don't have the 223 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 2: guts to admit out loud that you were cheering the 224 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: massacre on you loved seeing a thousand dead Jews. That 225 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: was the best weekend of your life. This guy doesn't 226 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 2: have the guts to say it, but that's what he's thinking, 227 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 2: so he gives these clever little puzzle answers. 228 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, you know. 229 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: This guy was doing the war dance as he's watching 230 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: the news all that weekend. 231 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: This is the happiest day of his life. 232 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 2: And the first thing he did is run out into 233 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 2: the streets and whack a Jew in the face with 234 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: a megaphone. 235 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: That's his way of celebrating. 236 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 2: I mean, he is so pumped up about Hamas he 237 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: had to go run in and start waving a sign. 238 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: Every day, waving a flag every day. 239 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: Look, there's reports that he was sort of stalking some 240 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: of the pro Israeli protesters that were there, But we 241 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: also understand remember the audio we played yesterday, the guy 242 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: on the bullhorn saying some pretty nasty things about you know, 243 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: Nazis and news and that was not. 244 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: Al Nase. That was another man. 245 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 2: Supposedly, But just to clear that up because we weren't sure. 246 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: We played that audio and thought it, well, if this 247 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: is him, no wonder mister Kesler went down, there'd be 248 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 2: several bullhorns. He taught for a time in the United 249 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: Arab Emirates Al Naji And do you know how many 250 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: whacko professors My sons over the years have told me 251 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: about some of the people who are professors now, and 252 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: they really are unhinged obsessies. And this is what diversity brings, right, Well, 253 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: it's great to have the diverse opinions. 254 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: Yes, it says here. He came to the US in 255 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: the nineteen nineties. In two thousand and seven, he bought 256 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: a three bedroom home in more Park, which was thirteen 257 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: miles from where Kesler died, and the listing the real 258 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: estate agents said the Holmes got an amazing eighty four 259 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: inch high definition video projector. 260 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: In the living room for ultimate viewing. 261 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 2: Right, of course, that's back in two thousand and seven, 262 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: so he could watch old Nazi movies. 263 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: He got a doctorate in business administration from something called 264 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: Argacy University, which actually closed in twenty nineteen. I think 265 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 3: he accused the fraud and financial management. 266 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: So he's got a fake degree, and he uses that 267 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: fake degree to teach courses. Now, now, where's he a 268 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 2: Ventura Community College? 269 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: Yes he is. 270 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a scholar gius. Thank god that is pitt 271 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: photo of him. That shirt is really getting strained. 272 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a hefty guy, so you could see how 273 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 3: he could knock somebody down with or without a megaphone. 274 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 3: His most recent posting three weeks ago on Facebook, oh 275 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 3: Allah released the captivity of the al Oxwamosque sooner than later. 276 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: Oh Allah, don't deprive us of our praying before we die. 277 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: Oh God, give victory to your weak servants in Palestine 278 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: and everywhere. 279 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we know what this guy's about. 280 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, both sides got really worked up. I'd like 281 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: to have hear a recording what the two were saying 282 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: to each other that day that caused one to want 283 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: to slam into the other. Well, what you're getting out 284 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: in the streets is the crazy people. So it's gonna 285 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 2: be crazy people beating each other up. I'm looking at 286 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: the crowd in front of the Museum of Tolerance last night. 287 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: This is ancient tribal hatreds. These are tribal hatreds. They 288 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: go back thousands of years. They never die, It'll go 289 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: on for thousands more years, maybe forever. 290 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, I hear everybody talking about this two 291 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: state solution. 292 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: It's not going to do it nothing. First of all, 293 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: they're not going to agree on who gets what territory. 294 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 3: That's the big problem there, right, they'll fill feud over that. Plus, 295 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 3: you're right, Palestinians don't want the Jews in that land, 296 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: and the Jewish people think that the Palestinians now probably 297 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: can't be trusted because they'll always be a terror group 298 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: that spins off like this. 299 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: That's why I always a gag. 300 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: I'm you know, a happy talk about the wonders of 301 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 2: diversity and we should have tolerance for each other and 302 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: get along with each other. It's like good find that 303 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: in some other planet, some other lifetime. That's not what 304 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: human beings are about. 305 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: The Daily Mail has a video of al Naji sitting 306 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 3: on that curb and he's talking to a female I 307 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: guess police officer from Ventura County Sheriff's Department. The only 308 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: part that they play because a lot of it's inaudible. 309 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: Whoever took the video wasn't close enough, but she asked 310 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: him so you tried to hit the phone and then 311 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 3: he kind of swings his arm across. So I guess 312 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: she's getting his story about her his encounter with Kessler. Well, 313 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: we'll wait and see what they do in Ventura County 314 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: with any charges against this man. 315 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 316 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 317 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: In the Big fist fight at the Museum of Tolerance. 318 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: Oh man, I guess Channel seven had a copter right 319 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: overhead this morning. Fish fight and people rolling and tumbling 320 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: on the ground. It's like, hey, the first thing's working 321 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: out one. 322 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to really get the message across whatever 323 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: side you're on that to. You start tumbling in the 324 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: ground with people, but you know, it's like a road 325 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: raids thing. You get so worked up at the moment 326 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: that you just can't help, but you get violent. 327 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: I'll dare you insult my terrorist friends Johnny and Ken. 328 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 2: I can't find am Sex Sporting Live everywhere on the 329 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app on the radio one to four at four o'clock, 330 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: Johnny Ken on demand the podcast. 331 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 3: At Friday the three o'clock hour, We're going moist. We'd 332 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: like to hear from you. Use the iHeartRadio app to 333 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 3: leave the moistline a message. The microphone icon is a 334 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 3: way to connect or call this toll free number one 335 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: eight seven seven Moist eighty six one eight seven seven 336 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 3: six six four seven eight eight six. 337 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: Coming up next hour, we'll. 338 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 3: Take a look and play some of the audio from 339 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: last night's Republican presidential debate, which I have to admit 340 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: I actually watched half of Just so happened. I had 341 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: a moment and I turned on the TV and it 342 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: was just beginning, so I listened in for a while. 343 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: And some are saying it's the best of the three 344 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: so far, if you want to rate it that way. 345 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: There's only five of them left, and they did go 346 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: after each other, but of course they're not doing. 347 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: Any damage to Trump. It's all feutile. 348 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: It is all feutile. But there was some good entertainment there, 349 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: but none of it matters. They're all still fifty points 350 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: behind him. 351 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: Yes, and we'll play some of what happened, including some 352 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: audio that occurred just as they were getting underway from 353 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: some people in the crowd who were chanting Trump's name, 354 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: So you can see they're dominant in the party. The 355 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: El Segundo Times Of course, over the years we've enjoyed 356 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: many of their clownish columnists. 357 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: They really do know how to put out a load 358 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: of a pile of poo. 359 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 3: One of our favorites the last several years has been 360 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 3: a Nita Chabria. Nita Chabria went all. 361 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: The way to Norway to report on a prison that 362 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 2: we should follow. 363 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: The example of here in California. 364 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: Well, they got a lot of money for travel because 365 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: they sent that other reporter all the way to New 366 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: Delhi to do the knobslobber on Garcati Patrick schu Soong. 367 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: Apparently his net wealth went up even more. I read 368 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 3: the other day a hundreds of billions of dollars the 369 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 3: guy that owns. 370 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: The paper so he can send them. The daughter screams, 371 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: give us some money. We're gonna really make a big 372 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: dent in the world. 373 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: When to change the world, we're gonna send people to 374 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 3: follow Garcetti and to follow Newsome. 375 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: We need more prisons like they have in Norway. Now 376 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: California prison guards are dying too young. Never heard that 377 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: one before. 378 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: How Norway, Yes, Norway can help. Now let's start with this. 379 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: Norway's a tiny place, and whatever crime is going on there, 380 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 3: I think compared to the type of criminals we have 381 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 3: in the United States. I mean, they did have a 382 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: mass shooting years ago. 383 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,160 Speaker 1: Didn't they. One guy he killed all the school children, right? 384 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: And one guy? No. 385 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 2: The Norwegian prisons are filled with Norwegians. That's why it's 386 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: easier there. Yeah, they going up in a completely different environment. 387 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: Norwegians don't get riled up like other people do. What 388 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: are the big gangs there? Yeah? 389 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 3: Have you seen a Norwegian gang lately? How didn't Fengsil? 390 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: That's the maybe the high security prison in Norway. Inmates 391 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 3: choose their own clothing, knockoff track suits from designer brands 392 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 3: such as Carl Lagerfelder Favored. They buy fresh produce from 393 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 3: their well stocked grocery store, and they chop onions with 394 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 3: knives from their shared kitchens. They play in bands, They 395 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 3: walk in the woods and pray in a graceful holy 396 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 3: room where windows beam sunlight down onto slate floors and 397 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 3: a compass shows a direction of Mecca. 398 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: Oh what does that mean they have Muslim prisoners? Yeah? 399 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: I would guess that's the hint the migration issue, right, 400 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: But what surprised California Corrections officer Steve Bull Durham, and 401 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: you look at a picture of him and you wonder 402 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: why they're dying young. 403 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: He needs to lose like fifty pounds. But anyway, it 404 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: was how relaxed and happy the guards were, how casually 405 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 3: they interacted with the inmates. I was blown away by 406 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 3: So they brought this guy there too, I guess, yes, 407 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 3: what do you mean he went to Norway? The prison guard? Oh, 408 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: I see, yeah, he went there too. He went to 409 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 3: visit the Norwegian prison. So you're telling me the Californy 410 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 3: Corrections Department probably paid to send one of their prison 411 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 3: guards to Norway to study their system and see how 412 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: we can turn into that. 413 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: This reminds me of years ago. 414 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 3: Remember that judge that was overseeing the prisoners because the 415 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 3: problems with healthcare and mental health. And he had this 416 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 3: grand design that they were going to build these beautiful 417 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 3: gardens with music playing and nice relaxing massage chairs, roma therapy, yes, 418 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 3: a roma therapy. 419 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 1: I think there were gonna be yoga rooms. He was 420 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: putting stage all over the place like dipper Mark does. Ooh, 421 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: that's wonderful. Smudging people. 422 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 3: A dorm has been a California Corrections officer for twenty 423 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 3: five years. 424 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 2: He looks like the kind of guy you'd nicknamed ball, 425 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 2: big and bald. He leans forward, but he walks like 426 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: he's battling the wind or the whorld. So she wanted 427 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: to paint him as a picture of the stereotypical kind 428 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: of Neanderthal California prison guard. Right, and he goes over 429 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 2: to Norway, and he says, Oh, they're happy here, and 430 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: the prisoners are happy here. Why can't we do this 431 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 2: in California? The focus should be on rehabilitation, not punishment. No, 432 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: it's then she admits, tiny, rich, predominantly white, with a 433 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: population half out of LA County. 434 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 3: Half of LA counties are five million people. Norway doesn't 435 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 3: seem like a good model for anything in California. You 436 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 3: should have ended the story right there. 437 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: Scandinavians are a different breed, obviously, aren't they. Well, since 438 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 2: she says, News isn't trying to replicate this, but he 439 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 2: wants to go with the premise to shift how and 440 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 2: why we incarcerate? 441 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: How and why? Because these people are dangerous. That's that's 442 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: the why they're violent criminals. 443 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: We were I thought we established that you put people 444 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: in prison who are hurting other people who can't control 445 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: their violent impulses. That's what you put in prison, and 446 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: and how you have to put them in a box 447 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 2: so they can't get out. It's gotta be four walls 448 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 2: or four gates and a roof. 449 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: There is no other way to do it. 450 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 5: Yeah. 451 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 3: It says that our California corrections officers drink too much, 452 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: get divorced often, and die by suicide at a rate 453 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: thirty nine percent higher than the rest of the weeking agent. 454 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 2: Because they're trying to oversee thousands of violent, psychotic gang members. 455 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: I don't think you have that same crowd in Norway? 456 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: Do you ever see roving gangs of Norwegians or Swedes 457 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 2: or Danish? I don't finish crime reports, but you know, 458 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 2: have you ever seen oh, like, do. 459 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 1: They do smashing grams there? I don't know. 460 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen angry fins? Well, first of all, 461 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 2: half the year, it's what in the dark, and it's cold. No, 462 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: it's hard to be out there committing crimes. 463 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: So whatever it is, it just doesn't exist. The people 464 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: are different up there. 465 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 3: She said that when you get to this prison, there's 466 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: no armed guard towers or razor wire. The only clue 467 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 3: that this is a prison is the nearly mile long 468 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 3: wall that surrounds it, twenty feet high and curving at 469 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 3: the top, with an elegance that Scandinavian seemed able to 470 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: put into everything they build, regardless of purpose. 471 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: Well this, Anita Chabria should move to Oslo. I think 472 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: she'd be much happier. 473 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,239 Speaker 1: Obama was like this. 474 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 3: He just thought the Norwegian system was just so wonderful 475 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 3: in so many ways. 476 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: He thought the US should copy it, right, because it's 477 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: the system, it's not the people. 478 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 3: But then she admits critics deride the prison as a 479 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 3: luxury prison that coddles, but it's the star of the 480 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 3: Norwegian system. Prison should not be defined by agony of 481 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 3: discomfort and fear, Well, yes it should, so you don't 482 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 3: want to go back. They leave agony in fear behind 483 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 3: after they've committed their crimes and killed people. They leave 484 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: behind all kinds of lifelong agony. Why shouldn't they get 485 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 3: it too? So, of course, has to bring up the 486 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 3: recidiism rates. The rates have fallen to about twenty percent 487 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 3: of people reoffending within five years of release. In California, 488 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 3: about forty five percent of those released are contincted of 489 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: a new crime within three years, and twenty percent return 490 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 3: to prison. 491 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: That's supposed to be the de fact. 492 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 3: They'll proof that we need to do something different because 493 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 3: they're just going out and committee more. 494 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 2: Then just send them back in, right, put them in 495 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 2: prison less. That's how it works. You put them in 496 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 2: prison less, they'll commit less crimes, right, because that's what 497 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: happened in Norway among Norwegian prisoners. 498 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 3: Okay, oh, yeah, it is true. Apparently the prison she 499 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 3: went to only has two hundred and fifty people in it. 500 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: That's fewer than your average California county jail. What are 501 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: they in there for? But there are many migrants from 502 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 3: places like Sudan and Pakistan. Forty percent the prisoners in 503 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 3: Norway are not citizens by birth, so that speaks more 504 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 3: to the migration problem and the assimilation problem. 505 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: I guess if you want to look at it that way. 506 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 3: Oh, right, ninety percent have been diagnosed with a mental illness, 507 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 3: seventy percent have a personality disorder. 508 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: Right, So why would you let them out? Mental illness, 509 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: personality disorder, violent acts? 510 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, let him go. Maybe they want to go back 511 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: to their native country. Then I don't know. Oh, they 512 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: should deport all of them. 513 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: The biggest, biggest mistake Europe made was when they let 514 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 2: in all that migration after especially after the war in Syria. 515 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 3: Well, they were trying to replace the workforce that was 516 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: drying up because people weren't reproducing. 517 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: Now they got high on all their progressive gas. Is 518 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: what happened. Did you see the Henry Kissinger quote the 519 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: other day? Did I mention this? 520 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: No, he's almost a hundred, isn't he? Yeah, well he 521 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 2: actually is one hundred, and so there were a round 522 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: of interviews. Reporters went to see him because he can 523 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 2: he's still he can be understood. Yeah, he can understand 524 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 2: them years ago because accent. No, but he see, you know, 525 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 2: he's way he's way ahead of Biden put it that way, right, 526 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: He can still. But he said the biggest mistake Germany 527 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 2: made was letting in all the migrants. He goes that 528 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 2: that is the one overwhelming era that they've made in 529 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 2: recent years. 530 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 3: If you let in too many people at once, then 531 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: they come in poor, there may not be enough for 532 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 3: them to. 533 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: Do work, and different cultures don't get along. And what's 534 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: happened with all the migrants they led into Germany and 535 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: other countries is the home tribe did not accept them, 536 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: and so now they're living in ghettos. They can't get jobs, 537 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: so they're unemployed, they're poor, and eventually you end up 538 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: with violence because the two cultures don't miss mix. The 539 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 2: Germans are not mixing with all the migrants. Nobody likes 540 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 2: each other. 541 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 542 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 543 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, The moistline is coming back tomorrow. 544 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 3: So a quick reminder if you leave your messages using 545 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app or call the Tophrey number one eight 546 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: seven seven, Moist eighty six will play you. 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Next hour from last night's Republican 548 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 3: presidential debate where there was a couple of scrums between 549 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: the candidates on stage, and talk about it for a 550 00:26:59,520 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 3: few minutes. 551 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: We have new Biden audio to play two. 552 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: Well, we don't have the clips on the differences in 553 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: their position on Ukraine. 554 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying, whether differences or oh yeah. 555 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 3: We spent a lot of the beginning debate obviously discussing 556 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 3: Israel Hamas that was a big long segments of the show. 557 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: They didn't really have a lot of disagreements. But I 558 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 3: think what Lester Holt was trying to do is, you know, 559 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 3: mix in Trump in there and see what they would 560 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 3: do with the Trump question. 561 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: And there was some. 562 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: Of that, But you know what they said, because I 563 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 3: was I watched the first half of this and the 564 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: only time because the question kind of was why shouldn't 565 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: Trump be president again? It was about the debt and 566 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: the deficit, which is fine. I think that's a legitimate issue, 567 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 3: but I don't think that really plays the people to go, 568 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 3: you're right, you should never be president again. Look at 569 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: the debt. They're stuck. They're stuck because to beat somebody 570 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: you have to go full bore on them, right, you 571 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 3: have to beat them. Well, they don't even want to 572 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: mention his name because he's got, you know, one hundred 573 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 3: fifty million followers, and he's gonna piss them all off. 574 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: The candidate will piss them off, so they just say nothing. Well, 575 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 3: you're not gonna win unless he dies or he's shackled 576 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: in prison, you're not gonna win. So I don't know 577 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: why you ran. So I read one left wing pundit. 578 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 3: You actually had a good point. He said, the first 579 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 3: question to all five of them should have been who 580 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 3: won the twenty twenty election. See what kind of torture 581 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 3: answer comes out then, considering that Trump is the elephant 582 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 3: in the room, right, all right, so we'll talk about. 583 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: This after two o'clock. Well, you figured this had to happen. 584 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 3: One of the things that's become hot around the globe, 585 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: particularly in Europe. But that's not where we're gonna go 586 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 3: with this story. Is that people now like to block 587 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: traffic over environmental issues. We have told you many times 588 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 3: that some motorists actually get up there and drag the 589 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: protesters out of the streets. Sometimes it gets a little violent, 590 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: but most of the protesters don't resist, so it doesn't 591 00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 3: turn into fisticuffs. Well, this story comes from Panama, where 592 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 3: a retired lawyer by the name of Kenneth Darlington got 593 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: stuck in traffic on the Pan American Highway in a 594 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 3: city about fifty miles west of Panama City. It was 595 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 3: a blockade. It was a problem that people were protesting 596 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: a government mining contract that allows some Canadian company to 597 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 3: resume extracting copper for at least the next twenty years. 598 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: They had a. 599 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: Problem with that, so their answer was to block traffic 600 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 3: on the Pan American Highway. Well, Darlington, who apparently is 601 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 3: a dual citizen of America and Panama, had enough and 602 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 3: he walked up to some of the protesters and after 603 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: some sort of words were exchanged, he pulled the gun 604 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 3: and shot. 605 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: Two of them, killed him. That's wow, it says here. 606 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 3: He tries to move some of the items being used 607 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: to block the road, then waves the gun around. Some 608 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 3: protesters quarrel with him. Then he just lifts his right 609 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 3: hand and he shoots one who slumps to the ground 610 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 3: wile holding a flag. Then he opens fire again and 611 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: another man a black T shirt goes down. 612 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: Don't block They don't block roadways. They think the lesson 613 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 2: is I shouldn't die for it. Well, yeah, but some 614 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: people are gonna shoot you for it and and then 615 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 2: you're dead, So you're you know, what was the point 616 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: of this? 617 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: For copper for a copper mind? People took video and 618 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: pictures of this, and I don't know. If you don't know, 619 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: you don't look at the online version. You have a 620 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: printed version. I did see this online. 621 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well the picture Fox News has of Kenneth Darlington 622 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 3: pointing the gun and I think he. 623 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: Actually shot it. 624 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 3: There there's a bulletcasing in the air just above his head. 625 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 3: It's flying in the air. You can see it. Fascinating. 626 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 3: It's like just caught and stop action. What a perfect 627 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 3: You know how they plase for bootcasings after a shot. Yeah, 628 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 3: that's what it is. It's just right above his h 629 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 3: his right temple. 630 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: A good action shot. I know. 631 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 3: It's like really bizarre. Uh, now you complain about California justice. 632 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 3: Here's a twist. He may not serve any prison. 633 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: Time because he's too old. He may be subject to 634 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: house arrest. 635 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: I guess that's the laws and pound so old people 636 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: get one one free killing, two two free killings. 637 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: He killed two guys. Wow. 638 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: It doesn't say that will happen. It says it could happen. 639 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 2: It could happen. Well, he's seventy seven. 640 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: I mean if they. 641 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 3: Says, if convicted, he could avoid jail time and instead 642 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 3: be sentenced to house arrest due to. 643 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: His house imagine that. 644 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: Imagine if you want to kill somebody in panama'll wait 645 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 2: to your seven. 646 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: Wait right and then, and then go ahead and start firing. 647 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: These roadblocks have been going on for some time. 648 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 3: They've caused up two estimates of eighty million dollars in 649 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: daily business losses. 650 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: Oh so this is the shut schools for more than 651 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: a week. Oh so this is going on all the time. Yes, 652 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 2: he finally, he pushed this character too far. 653 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: I had enough. 654 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: You imagine, you imagine we you know, just keep your 655 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: list and then you get into your seventies and hey, 656 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: take your hair, all right, take two shots or do. 657 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 3: You want to take out? Hey, you like road trips? 658 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 3: I didn't know this. The Pan American Highway is nearly 659 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 3: nineteen thousand miles long, considered the world's largest motorable route, 660 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 3: stretches from Alaska to Argentina, with a break in the 661 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 3: Darien Gap. 662 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: It says here, So there you go. There's a road 663 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: trip for you. 664 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I didn't I heard of the Pan 665 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: American Highway. I had no idea. It's nineteen thousand miles. 666 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 3: Nineteen thousand miles. How long would that take you? I mean, 667 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 3: even riding across the US is not that many months. 668 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 2: So no, I mean, what could you do if you 669 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: drove twelve hours a day like you go seven hundreds? Yeah, yeah, 670 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 2: so that that would take you several weeks. 671 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 3: You might see some interesting things along the way, including 672 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 3: protect you see this guy all right? When we return, well, 673 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: two o'clock hour brings another chance for money. But we'll 674 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 3: start by playing some of the audio clips from last 675 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 3: night's Republican presidential debate in Miami. 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