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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. It's another episode of the Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous podcast. And hey, I want to start this thing

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Speaker 1: out by saying and reminding everybody that once again Ashley,

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Speaker 1: can Eddie and Jared are opening up a coffee shop. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And it's gonna be a bar coffee shop. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be awesome. They're using Generous coffee. Last night, Ashley, and

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Speaker 1: this is why I wanted to mention it. We had

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Speaker 1: our Generous Ambassador calls about two hundred people across the

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Speaker 1: US that represent Generous um voluntarily and told them about

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Speaker 1: the opening of your shop. They were so pumped, so

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Speaker 1: excited for for Generous to be there. So well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: We're excited. Your girls are coming out, your reps are

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Speaker 1: coming out to teach us how to make some specialty

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Speaker 1: coffees next week, stuff that you serve out in Denver.

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Speaker 1: We're very excited. We I'm excited to taste test and yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna be great. And they're pumped for two. So

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Speaker 1: the Generous team is going to show up in Rhode

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Speaker 1: Island for this big, big deal. Uh. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: dive into it. Um. We obviously got Dr Joe coming

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Speaker 1: lot of time with him to day, talking everything Paradise,

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Speaker 1: everything COVID, getting his advice and insight into all the

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Speaker 1: crazy stuff happening in Paradise and also in the world

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Speaker 1: that we live in the day. But Ashley, Um, huge

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Speaker 1: news coming out of Bachelor Nation. We have a new

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Speaker 1: host for The Bachelor, Jesse Palmer was announced. Actually, just

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Speaker 1: take it away. What are your thoughts? Okay, well, um,

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Speaker 1: I heard this rumor last week and I thought, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that'll work. I mean, he definitely is like the most

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Speaker 1: even use the word replace, but like, if we're going

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Speaker 1: to have a Chris Harrison like figure, he works very

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Speaker 1: much in that place. Um, I don't think Chris Harrison

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Speaker 1: as part of this franchise. I asked people on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: many of the people say like, oh, it's not Chris,

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Speaker 1: I don't see any like real negativity towards it. Not

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Speaker 1: you know, some people are like, oh, they're just putting

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Speaker 1: another They're just putting somebody just so much like Chris

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Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. How are you? I'm not like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's the sweetest guy. We had

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Speaker 1: weird to have him there. What do you think. I

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Speaker 1: Bachelor's show. And that's why they need because that is

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Speaker 1: Like Jesse has been really nice to us. I've been

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Speaker 1: think there's a few things that are surprised me. One person.

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Speaker 1: I have to get off my chest, I hope at

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Speaker 1: this point now, my biggest criticism has always been from

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Speaker 1: You are also a very natural seeming fit. I don't

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Speaker 1: have been more excitement about it because you are like

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Speaker 1: because he was the Bachelor back in two thousand four.

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Speaker 1: I think Jesse's shoes are going to be massive to fill.

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Speaker 1: And so like my lofty goals like Robin Roberts incredible

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Speaker 1: it feels like it's going to be a crazy season. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Well we have a doctor Joe On, none of our

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Speaker 1: favor one of our figures. Hey, Dr Joe, Hi Joe,

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Speaker 1: Just what are you calling one again? Call me whatever

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Speaker 1: you want. We've met now three times. So Joe is fine.

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Speaker 1: He just goes straight. Yeah, he's he's got another echelon

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Speaker 1: swipe up bad you know, click this link, click that link.

425
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: Podcast and so podcast just the lowest of the low.

426
00:23:54,040 --> 00:24:00,360
Speaker 1: But so, I do think it is a when there's

427
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: there's yourself in the self into this, in these incentives

428
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: in place, it's going to lead to people trying to

429
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: cheat this game. And even when they're not cheating the game,

430
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy to think that a lot

431
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: of people are there because they of secondary game. That maybe,

432
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: and this is just one man's opinion, that maybe everyone

433
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: isn't there justifying love them. Maybe they're also thinking about

434
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 1: the Instagram following, about how much they can make or

435
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: what can come out of it thereafter. So I think

436
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: that's what makes people go bad. I think it's just

437
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: the incentive structure of the show, you know, just being

438
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: real here. Yeah, well, um, you held your own man.

439
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: You came into it, Yes it was quick. Yes, we

440
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: here feel like it wasn't enough. Um, but you exited

441
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: out on a on a high note. Um, you held

442
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: your own and uh and I think for that, uh,

443
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: we were happy about it. Um. We don't want to

444
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: see a good guy like you go bad, and you didn't.

445
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: But before we move on, I do have to have

446
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: two more paradise questions for you, if you don't mind. Okay,

447
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: on TV, it seemed it seems so abrupt that your

448
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: date went from being great and by the way, I

449
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: love the speaking Spanish to her, loved the I'm gonna

450
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: switch drinks because there's a bug in yours move. It

451
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: was so cute. You're such a perfect gentleman. And then

452
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the Brendan thing came up and

453
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: like the tables turned. But I'm assuming that in real

454
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: life it was probably a two was it a two

455
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: hour ishul sit down day? And well just hour and

456
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: a half and then like on TV, we just saw

457
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: it go sour real quick. How was it that abrupt

458
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: that you was started having second thoughts about her because

459
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: of the Brendan twitch. I I when I watched it,

460
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: I watched it um with friends, and it really does

461
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: take you back to your mind space because I was

462
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: I saw it for the first time when everyone else

463
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: saw it, and my I think everyone thought second thoughts.

464
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: But it wasn't second thoughts per se. I could tell

465
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: when she had started really going into it that she

466
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: it really did hurt her. And it's just my way.

467
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: And I felt the same way about Kendall because I wasn't,

468
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: especially after reading your book, I was interested in her.

469
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: You and Kendall seemed to make a lot of sense.

470
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: Just no and you both a little you know, um,

471
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: but when somebody is hurt, my first instinct not to think, oh,

472
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: here's my chance, like let's make my move. I just

473
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: wanted to say, hey, I don't know if you have

474
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: anyone else out out there in the beast, I don't know.

475
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: They're in their own relationships, their own they're in their

476
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: own space, trying to make things work. I wanted first

477
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: and foremost. I know it's a TV show. I know

478
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: it's bass from Paradise and people are there to find love,

479
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: but I still can't turn off that part of me.

480
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: It's like, Hey, I want you to be okay as

481
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: a person. I want you to be like good and

482
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: I want you to know that, like relationally or unrelationally,

483
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 1: that uh, I am a safe place for you, like period,

484
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: like I'm if you want to talk about it, we

485
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: can talk about it. And so at the end of

486
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: the day, I remember, I don't remember saying it, but

487
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: then I watched it. I was saying hey, like I'll

488
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: be here, You'll be here. That really was me trying

489
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: to say hey. And I told her also that wasn't aired.

490
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: I said, Hey, we'll also both be in New York.

491
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: You know, both in New York. I can't wait until

492
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: we because obviously people are different on camera. Some people

493
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: are different camera than they are off camera. I meant

494
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: to say, hey, when you're ready, because you literally just

495
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: got through this eight hours ago. You just went through this,

496
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: this storm of this redemption roase. It was the same day,

497
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, because the road sun't happened early in the morning.

498
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: It's just me, this me saying, hey, like, I don't

499
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: want to push this forward. When you're ready, I'm here.

500
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: You're here, and when you're comfortable and you feel like

501
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: you're able to kind of regroup and form that connection again,

502
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: I'm here for you and I'll be here and I

503
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: don't want to again make you uncomfortable by, you know,

504
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: all of a sudden trying to kiss you and be

505
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: overly touchy. And that's what that was. It wasn't I mean,

506
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 1: the touch is beautiful, and she's intelligent, and she's funny,

507
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: and she's very mature, and I just didn't want to

508
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: form a foundation on something that was um where she's

509
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: in such a hard place emotionally. And that's why interviews

510
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: like these are great. We get to learn more about

511
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: the situation. I also just gotta know, Um, you are

512
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: such close friends with Brendan that, like you must have

513
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: known that he had a prior relationship with Piper. Did

514
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: you ever think, like, hey, dude, maybe he should chill

515
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: this out if you're both going to paradise, because you

516
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: may get in trouble. So I hung out with them

517
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: in group settings A lot of us, you know, just

518
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's a lot of people did, but a

519
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: lot of people held a lot of people in group settings.

520
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: And that's true for like I find out Abigail a lot. Um,

521
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: I finding out Chelsea a lot. I find out Serena

522
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: a lot. I've hung out with Piper a lot. And

523
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: they existed in group settings all the time. I was

524
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: there when they first met. We all met the same time.

525
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: So I don't think. I don't think they were in

526
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: a full on relationship at least before. I mean, I

527
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: hadn't seen Brendan for three two or three months prior

528
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: to the filming, I believe, um, And I wasn't obviously.

529
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: I saw the pictures online. Um, I saw like a

530
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: sweekly article, you know, popsible on Instagram feed. But I

531
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: didn't think they were in like an exclusive, exclusive relationship.

532
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: And I don't. I still I'm not sure if they

533
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: were in fairness, um so if they did have a

534
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: plan obviously, so really it went very poorly and they

535
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: shouldn't have done it. But again. I'm telling you, we

536
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: all it's a small, small, vast nation world. After all,

537
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: we all hang out. It's just we haven't all made out.

538
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: But well, a lot of people, very important, very important distinction. Yeah, yeah,

539
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people have made out. Let's not let's

540
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: not ignore that either. Um me, yeah, we were just

541
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: talking about that Actuley and I are texting this weekend.

542
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: A lot of people are out in New York City

543
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: at a at a concert, and uh, we're texting. I

544
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: was like, did I did? I missed the invite? Like

545
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: I didn't get invited anymore. And She's like, I don't

546
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: know if if we get invited this stuff anymore. It's like,

547
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know if I'm mad about it.

548
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: Like I have a pretty good, big going I was

549
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: in bed at eight thirty on Friday, so pretty pretty

550
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: pumped about that. Um all right, well, Joe, thanks for

551
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: your honesty, thanks for your openness. We're not done with

552
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: you yet. We gotta talk covid um, booster shots, the vaccine,

553
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: everything medically around, all of that here in just a second.

554
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: But it's take a break and we're gonna come back

555
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: with doctor Joe. He's gonna put his doctor hat on

556
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: now it's not his paradise hat, and teach us. Yeah,

557
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: please do yeah, yeah, all right, Dr Joe, you just

558
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: broke down paradise with us. It's time now to talk

559
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: to us about and hopefully educate us on the vaccine. Uh.

560
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of things going on. I

561
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: just want to start with this. I um, yeah, I

562
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: am vaccinated, um, fully vaccinated. That was a choice I made.

563
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: But I have a lot of friends, uh that are

564
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: are not vaccinated, and there's a few things that I

565
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: want to start out with. It was just asking you

566
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: some questions that they've asked me because I can't answer them.

567
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: They saying, hey, why would I get vaccinated if I'm

568
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: still gonna get covid? Uh, that doesn't make sense to

569
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: me because that has happened in our friend group. Somebody

570
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: has been fully vaccinated, gotten COVID and gotten covid pretty bad.

571
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: They're sick for a while. So um, that was the

572
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: first question that I want to ask you, is why

573
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: would you get vaccinated if you can still get covid. Um.

574
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: That's a great question, is a very fair question and

575
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,479
Speaker 1: a question that a lot of people have asked. So

576
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: the big thing is the delta variants going around, and

577
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: though it's possible they come break through infections, they are

578
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: still exceedingly rare. Nine day percent of infections COVID infections

579
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: are from people who have not had any formula vaccine,

580
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: So although there are anecdotal cases, they are exceedingly rare

581
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: and much obviously much much much rarer if you have

582
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: a vaccine. Secondly, the fact that your friend had it

583
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: pretty bad is also exceedingly rare. Next to nobody is

584
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: hospitalized even if you get it, so now one, it's

585
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: rare that you get it. To to be hospitalized is

586
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: almost unseen. And then that's very different than people who

587
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: are unvaccinated. People are unvaccinated still have much much higher

588
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: rates of getting severe disease and being hospitalized from the disease.

589
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: And so in that way, again, uh, the chance and

590
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: you're getting it is uh significantly diminished, and also severe

591
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: disease and hospitation significantly diminished. Um And also kind of

592
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: as a corollary to that, a lot of your friends

593
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: and a lot of our friends probably are around the

594
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: same age, young adults who honestly would probably do um

595
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: okay health wise because they are healthy already, but their

596
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: parents might not, and their coworkers might not, and other

597
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: people who are at risk may not. So even that

598
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 1: for yourself, for your community, for your loved ones, for

599
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: all those reasons. Uh, it is a good idea to

600
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: get vaccinated. UM. And by the way, all the the

601
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: three vaccines we use in the United States, they're all

602
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: approved at this point for people sixting and older and

603
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: so even more reason. UM yeah, great, well appreciation. I

604
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: am getting getting so many questions from girls on Instagram.

605
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: I know you're not O, B G y N, but

606
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: so many are like are like I'm thinking we're you know,

607
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: my husband and I are trying now or I am pregnant,

608
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: Like what did you do? I did a whole podcast

609
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: on my other podcast. I don't get it about this.

610
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: I talked to four doctors. UM. Different points of view

611
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: for sure, UM, but it was cool and I always

612
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: it helped me make my decision to get it. I

613
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: actually got the shot day after we conceived, unknowing, and

614
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: then I waited until sixteen weeks to get my second

615
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: dose UM just because I was so sick the first

616
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, trimester. UM, But do you have anything to

617
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: say about people worried about fertility and people worried about

618
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: miscarriage or anything like that for young women. And again,

619
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: knowing Bachelor Nation, I know that's a large percentage of

620
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: people who watched the show and who are who are

621
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: fans of the show and obviously listen to these podcasts.

622
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: I would say the American College of Obstations kind of

623
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: collegists ACOG has been very clear, and I know there's anecdotes.

624
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: I know there are opinions from one person another person,

625
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: and even different obstetricians probably will have different opinions about

626
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: these things. But the overarching body, the rule, the governing

627
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: body of all obstetricians, say it is safe to get

628
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: the vaccine UM while you're trying to conceive, while you're pregnant,

629
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 1: while you're lactating and breastfeeding UM. So there are no contradications. Again,

630
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: this comes from not one person's opinion, not um anecdotal um,

631
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: you know, incidents, but from the UH, the ruling, the

632
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: governing the official organization that oversees all of obstractions kind

633
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: of college. And so I'll defer to their recommendations on

634
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: that UM and they are very they are pretty clear,

635
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: and I would recommend anyone who's care is to go

636
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: to a COG's website, UM to get more guidance on that.

637
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a good question because it's it is

638
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: one that gets brought up. I have a lot of

639
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: friends that are getting getting pregnant and this has been

640
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: something kind of sitting over them, is if it's safe

641
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: or not. UM, Joey are going to play kind of

642
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: like Devil's advocate here because I think the most helpful

643
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: thing is not to come on here and say you

644
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: should do it, you should do it, but ask the

645
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: questions that everybody are asking, because I think education on

646
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: this stuff is very important. UM and and a lot

647
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: of people have do have a lot of different opinions,

648
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: and I think at the same time that's fair. You

649
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: know a lot of people are concerned, this is confusing.

650
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: This is the first time in this you know, in

651
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: the in this generation's life that they've kind of been

652
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: asked to do something by a governing body. And so

653
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, UM, why do you have

654
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: the trust in it? And I mean, obviously you are

655
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: a doctor, so I think we can probably assume the answer,

656
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: But why do you have the trust in a governing

657
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: body to to tell the general public that they should

658
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: be vaccinated. Um, Ben, I'm so glad you bring that up.

659
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: And people are right to have these questions. They're not

660
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: dumb for having these questions or not antime. You know

661
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: people there are intelligent people ask these questions. Um. To answer,

662
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: I would say, we have had these they are mandated.

663
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: You just don't remember the mmrs. Man, everyone's all of

664
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: us have got the MMR backs. So first of all,

665
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: it is something that we all do. We just we're

666
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: two younger babies when we got it. Um. A lot

667
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: of people get the flu shot every year. Those that's

668
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: not mandated. But um, so this is not completely out

669
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: of the blue or novel. It is something that we

670
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: all have gone through. But obviously as an adult, it

671
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: is something that's very new. And again there are um

672
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: a lot of good, good questions out there. And I

673
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: trusted because I've read the papers. I trust the governing bodies,

674
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: the FDA to CDC, um, these people who devote their

675
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: lives and who have done this research, whose families are

676
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: getting they're getting their families are getting it. And outside

677
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: of some crazy not crazy, but I don't I just

678
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: don't know what incentive people would have to not be

679
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: truthful about this, and so knowing the research and not

680
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: understanding why anyone would want to lie about this. UM,

681
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: I trusted because for those reasons. UM. And again, it's

682
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: just something that we're not used to. But we've all

683
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: gone through. We've all gotten MMR and other vaccines also,

684
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: so it's just I guess we still remember it and

685
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: again as adults a lot. But um, it's not completely new.

686
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: Some people say that doctors have an incentive to have

687
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: people get vaccinated, like there's like a monetary incentive you

688
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: guys to be proponents for it. What do you have

689
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: to say about that? Um? I if if there is,

690
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: then I'm missing out because I've not gotten any things

691
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: from it. But but no, no, there's no there's no

692
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: fiscal incentive for for doctors in any sense. Um. I

693
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: think the incentive is we want people to be healthy.

694
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: I think the incentive is I think being a healthcare setting,

695
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: we don't want to get it, you know, we don't

696
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: want to decrease our risk of getting it, and so

697
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 1: UM And obviously incentive is not having to go through

698
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: what we went through. Again. I always I wish people

699
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: could like I had like a um, some sort of

700
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: like Google glass where I could have shown what life

701
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: was like when it was really bad and how it

702
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: is now and people would just literally turn it on

703
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: whenever they want to see the people on ventilators and um, yeah,

704
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: just the scene that we all saw healthcare providers during

705
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: the height of COVID and how does now And it's

706
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: much better post vaccine in most places. Um. And again

707
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: it's because of the vaccine, and we are all doing better,

708
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: we are all able to kind of get back to

709
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: a normal ish way of life in large part because

710
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: of the vaccine. And so UM. With the now that

711
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: it's at the approved they are off you approved, I

712
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: think there's very little reason not to get it. Um.

713
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: And there's a great organization I'm working with called the

714
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: ad Council UM and they have a great website called

715
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: Vaccine Answers dot org that also has answers to questions

716
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: that may not be asked right now, but to answer

717
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: the very common questions that a lot of people, especially

718
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't UM. So I would definitely recommend people check

719
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: that out. Okay, final question for you, This is a

720
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: personal one for me. Okay, yeah, I you know, I

721
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: am fully vaccinated but it took me a little bit

722
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: of time because I wanted to learn about it as

723
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: best as I possibly could, um, read as much as

724
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: I possibly could understand what was being asked of me.

725
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: And then I made the personal decision again to say yes,

726
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: I I believe I need to get vaccinated. I am

727
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: having a hard time, though, UM with the idea of

728
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: a booster I am. I I don't UM, maybe because

729
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: I don't know enough yet. I haven't learned enough yet,

730
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: I haven't read enough yet. There's not enough out there

731
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: for me to understand. Who are you at all hesitant?

732
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: Or are you all hesitant to get a booster shot?

733
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: And what would you say to somebody like me who

734
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: is hesitant to get a booster shot? Just because right

735
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: now I am not I'm lacking education in it. UM.

736
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: And also it just feels odd to me, you know,

737
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: like to have to do that, uh And I didn't

738
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: expect to have to do that, So it's a little

739
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: bit of a shock to me personally. Sure, So right

740
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: now the booster is recommended for UM people UH six

741
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: sixty five and older who have gotten the shot at

742
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: least the second O six months ago. It's for people

743
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: who are in settings like healthcare settings or frontline providers

744
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: of people who are going to be around a lot

745
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: of other people like teachers, who again six months later

746
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: after the second shot, these are the people who are eligible,

747
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: people who are compromised. UM. So right now it's not

748
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: necessarily recommended for people healthy people such as yourselves. UM.

749
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: But again, the research shows that antibodies wane after a

750
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: certain period of time, and I think that is why,

751
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: and I think they the idea is that this booster

752
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: shot will decrease even those few breakthrough infections that we're having,

753
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: will help decrease even those few numbers again to reach

754
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: the herd immunity. UM. But what exactly I would ask

755
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: you is what what about it is UM is concerning

756
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: to you. Well, I can't say the booster is concerning

757
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: to me because I don't know if it is or not.

758
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: I'd say with the first one, and maybe people call

759
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: me a win for this, UM. That's okay, I get it.

760
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to to see how people reacted to it,

761
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: like I wanted to see what it was. I want

762
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: to understand more of like what I was agreeing to

763
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: UM and what I was putting in my body and

764
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: so part of that was understanding the research behind it,

765
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: Understanding uh, you know, the symptoms from the shot, understanding

766
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: how people were reacting to it. And then I felt, Okay, yeah,

767
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: I can I can do this thing. You know, I

768
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: want to do this. I willingly want to do this.

769
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: But the booster I just don't know enough yet. And

770
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: that's why I want to ask you, because when I

771
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: don't know enough about some thing, I don't want to blindly,

772
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: you know, step into it. Um. And maybe that's the

773
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: part that's most concerning is I just don't know enough.

774
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: And that's why I thought, Hey, this is a good

775
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: moment I ask a doctor. Yeah, it's um. You know,

776
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: it's the same as the other essentially the same as

777
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: the other vaccines, So if you've gotten the first two,

778
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: then it's gonna be um. You should feel about the

779
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: same after the booster. UM. And I just think, as

780
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: far as I am happy that you did your due diligence,

781
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: your research on the vaccine and how it works, it

782
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: is not that easy to try to make a couple

783
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: of videos to show kind of simplify it a little bit. Um.

784
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: But but again, this is going to be kind of

785
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: like a like a weird. Why the kind of perspective,

786
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: But I I don't know how my car works. I

787
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: don't know my refrigerator works. And I still trust that

788
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: the refrigerants used in refrigerator don't create a carcinogetic environment

789
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: for my food. And I think I leave that to

790
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: the experts to do that. And the people who developed

791
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: a vaccine, the people who studied it and made sure

792
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: they were safe, the doctor should administer it. Um the

793
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: whole system around it are the same people who developed

794
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: pilonal antibiotics and and every other medication you've taken. It's

795
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: the same process that went through it. And so these

796
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: are working again similar to the Bastel nations. You have

797
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: trust the process and and and unless people have the

798
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: wherewithal too um have that medical training or that research training,

799
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: that scientific background, it's hard to understand it. But that's

800
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: where again in this society, we just trust that our

801
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: car is gonna work, that I won't explode when we

802
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: turn the ignition on that that the engineers know enough

803
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: that when I'm on my balcony it won't fall down.

804
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: And so in the same way, I think, and again

805
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: that's not medical specific, but that's just I think, um,

806
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: how have you? But again it's not like people our age,

807
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: you need to be going out and getting a boosters

808
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: not So let's just uh. And now I thought of

809
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: one other Why would people who already have UM the

810
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: antibodies from having actual COVID have to get the vaccine

811
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: Because aren't the antibodies from having actual COVID even stronger

812
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: than the vaccine? So that's also another question. So the

813
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: antibody still wayne after after a period of time, and

814
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: so it's more just getting UM. And also the response,

815
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: we know how our body responds to the vaccine and

816
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: how our body responds to a natural infection is still

817
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 1: it's variable, depending on a lot of things, a lot

818
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: of again like polymorphous, there's a lot of variables that

819
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: go into how we respond, our bodies responded. The vaccine

820
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: essentially is the control, but we know how ABOUTY responds

821
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: by looking at me initially now it's more than that

822
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: or initially but now it's more than that. UM people

823
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: that were that were studied in both the fives and

824
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: EMMA during a trials, so we know that we know

825
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: how effective it is in across different ages, sexes, races, people,

826
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: different diseases, and that's not true necessary for natural infections.

827
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: And so again one antibiuze wayne depending on when you

828
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: had it, and to the reaction to the vaccine is

829
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: more control and more studied, more understood on a wider

830
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: population versus any individual reaction. Okay, but I had chicken

831
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 1: pox as a first grader and now I don't have

832
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: to get it. And now I've never gotten a chicken

833
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: pox vaccine because I had it. So how is that

834
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: any different? So the type of the virus, it's a

835
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: Varicella zoster virus, it's a it's a little different. Um.

836
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: They don't mutate nearly as quickly a coronavirus is mutate.

837
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: Let's will be one variable and the other thing about

838
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: like boosters and things that there's one man's meeting, but

839
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: I think there probably might be other boosters on the

840
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: line as coronavirus mutating. But the coronavirus is also a

841
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: very different type of virus. And so the way um

842
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: like that has a spike protein that mutates a lot,

843
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: and so it is just how it's constructed is very different.

844
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: And so there are there are measles muns, fabella where

845
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: you can only get it. You know, you only need

846
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: it once and or maybe a booster later on if

847
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: you work in healthcare setting, but generally only need it

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Speaker 1: very quickly, and uh, they're just built different. And so yeah, also, well, Joe,

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Speaker 1: you're built different, You're built well. I'm proud of you. Man. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on, Thanks for asking or answering our

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Speaker 1: tough questions. We rapid fire them at you. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I can't think of many guys that we'd

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Speaker 1: your quarantine reading, learning Spanish, playing music and working out

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Speaker 1: if that and say something about you, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what will. Hey, Dr Joe, thanks for joining Almost Famous

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Speaker 1: podcast today. We appreciate you. Thank you guys. Always a pleasure,

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Speaker 1: always great talking to you guys, and um, yeah, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for having me and letting me part of

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Speaker 1: your podcast. All right, everybody, that's another episode of The

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Speaker 1: Almost Famous Podcast. Thank you Dr Joe for coming on, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure. We'll talk very soon about the

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Speaker 1: next upcoming really really long episode of Paradise. I think

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Speaker 1: they said it's like three hours, which three Oh my goodness. Um,

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna break it down here on The Almost

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Speaker 1: Famous Podcast next week. Against stay tuned for a future

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Speaker 1: breakdown of Michelle Young's men. Uh they're her suitors have

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Speaker 1: been revealed. We're gonna break it down, talk about it,

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Speaker 1: make our first assumptions and judgments. It's always my favorite

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Speaker 1: don't get in trouble for it, because this is kind

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Speaker 1: of like a given. Anyways, it's blind. It's blind. We

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Speaker 1: have no clue what we're talking about. Anyways, Hey, I've

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Speaker 1: been been. We'll talk soon. Follow the Ben and Ashley

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