1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newsworld, g Van Fleet lived through 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: the horrors of the Chinese Cultural Revolution as a schoolgirl, 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: forced to the countryside with other young Chinese for re 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: education after high school. She later escaped communism and found 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: freedom and a new life in America. But more than 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: thirty years later, she disturbingly sees signs of the same 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: cultural Marxism that ravaged her birth country of China, threatening 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: to destroy the America she now calls home. Her new book, 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: Mao's America, is her dire warning to the United States. 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm really pleased to welcome my guest, g Vanfleet. Ge welcome, 11 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: and thank you for joining me again on Newsworld. 12 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: I don't know what to say, mister speaker. 13 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: This is the interview I've been looking for, and in 14 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: my book, I dedicated the book to you because you 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 3: are my inspiration. After I listened to you that you 16 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,279 Speaker 3: said I should write a book, that's when I really 17 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 3: start to ticket seriously, and here we are book result. 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: You've been an inspiration to me, both when we've talked 19 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: together and also when you agreed to be interviewed for 20 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: Journey to America, the new TV series that Callista's working on. 21 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: You've been getting great publicity. Miranda Devine's column in The 22 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: New York Post could hardly have been better, and you've 23 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: earned it because you're really talking from the heart about 24 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: your life. But I want to remind our listeners. In 25 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, you delivered a school board speech in 26 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: Loudon County, Virginia against critical race theory, and your speech 27 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: went viral and ignited a national conservative media attention. And 28 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: I want to play just a little bit of that speech. 29 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 3: I've been very alarmed about what's going on in our school. 30 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: You are now teaching training our children to be social 31 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 3: justice warriors and to lose our country and our history. 32 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: Growing up in Mouth, China, all the same, very familiar. 33 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: They are communist regime, use the same critical theory to 34 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 3: provide people. The only difference is they used class instead 35 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 3: of race. During the Culture Revolution. Are witness students and 36 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: teachers that can turn against each other. We changed school 37 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 3: names to be politically correct. We were taught to denounce 38 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 3: our heritage. The Red Guards destroyed anything that is not communists, statues, books, 39 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: and anything else. 40 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: We are also. 41 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 3: Encouraged to report on each other, just like the student 42 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: Equity Ambassador program and the biased reporting system. This is 43 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 3: indeed the American version of the Chinese communist, the Chinese 44 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: culture Revolution. The critical race theory has its roots in 45 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 3: culture Marxism. It should have no place in our schools. 46 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: Will you talk for a minute about why you felt 47 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: like speaking up was so important and how it led 48 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: you to write mouths America. 49 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: Well, it all goes back to twenty twenty. That was 50 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: absolutely the turning point to me. When I saw the 51 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 3: riots and then the burning and destruction happening in our city. 52 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: I there's no mistake, no mistic in my mind. That 53 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: is what I experienced during the Cultural Revolution, when chaos 54 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: took over, when the whole world turned upside down. That 55 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: is a full blowing Marxist revolution that being raged to America. 56 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: And that's when I told myself that I can no 57 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: longer sit aside and just be an observer. 58 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: I got to get in to fight. 59 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: And so that was the year that I decided to 60 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: participate politically by joining in the Louden County Republican Committee. 61 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: From there, I went to the school board and there's 62 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 3: no return and I just found myself become an accidental activist. 63 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: And while I'm going around the country and talking to 64 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: all sorts of group. I found so many people just 65 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 3: like me. They also called themselves accidental activist. So now 66 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: we're together fighting to save this country. 67 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: You bring a unique historic perspective because you were there, 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: you experienced it, you saw it first hand. Can you 69 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what the cultural revolution was 70 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: like and what Mauziedung was trying to achieve. 71 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: Yes, to me, this was like took over my world overnight, 72 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: and overnight everything was turned upside down. The school was 73 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: close because all the school prince and administrators and teachers 74 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: were ulstered because of the Cultural Revolution, because they were 75 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 3: considered by Mao they reactionary bourgeois intellectual authority that need 76 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 3: to be dismantled and the kids need to take control. 77 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 3: And so my world is just turned upside down. My 78 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: school was closed. I lost entire two years of education 79 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: or indoctrination, whatever you call it. And what I saw 80 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: was happening in America cancel culture. The Red Guards went 81 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 3: after anything that is old and traditional, and that's called 82 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 3: the four Old Old idea, old culture, old habits, and 83 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: old custom. So everything needs to be destroyed, and they 84 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: went to the temples, they dismantled the statues and anywhere 85 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: there was a store sign that is traditional has to 86 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: be broken and destroyed. After the finish what's in the 87 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: public the wind People's home to get the hidden for olds, 88 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 3: and just really that's the greatest looting that took place 89 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: in the history of the world, that the Winter People's 90 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: home destroy everything and took away everything that. 91 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: They considered traditional. 92 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 3: And so our world was turned upside down, and there's 93 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 3: just one way to survive it that you make sure 94 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 3: you are in line with mouse ideology. To do otherwise 95 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 3: is to invite disasters to your life. And many people said, Okay, 96 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: the Cultural Revolution is some people persecuted because against the party. 97 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 3: No no, no, it's not there against the party. It's 98 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: because they were considered not be with the party. So 99 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 3: everyone has to prove their enthusiastically participating in the revolution. 100 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: To be silent is violence. 101 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 3: If you were silent, and if you're not showing enthusiasm, 102 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 3: you are considered the resistance. 103 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: So that is. 104 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely a time that everyone tried to desperately prove themselves 105 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 3: to be loyal to Mao. And there's just so much 106 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: to say about the Cultural Revolution, but in short, that's 107 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: what I. 108 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: Would say, a world turned upside down. 109 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: You were there before the revolution as a young child. 110 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: What was life like in China before Mao sort of 111 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: went crazy? 112 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: Well, Mao has been crazy, absolutely crazy. I was born 113 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty nine. That was the beginning of the 114 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: Great Leap Forward, and many people start to learn about 115 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: that disastrous campaign. That was the campaign that Mao mobilized 116 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: the entire Chinese population, six hundred million of them to 117 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:00,679 Speaker 3: do one thing. 118 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: To produce. 119 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: Still, he said he believed that by doing so, he 120 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: can pass UK and the United States in fifteen years. 121 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: So everyone stopped everything they did and devoted to one task, 122 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:22,119 Speaker 3: making steal. So the backyard furnace was raised everywhere. School 123 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: children stopped schooling and did that. And then how they 124 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: do steal. They were told to go through your homes 125 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 3: and get anything metal, spoons and pots and pants and 126 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: everything through into the furnace. And of course that failed, 127 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: but so did the crops, and that ended with three 128 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: year famine killed up to fifty million Chinese. Because of that, 129 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: Mao was forced to at least admit that his policy 130 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 3: was not so brilliant, and because of that, he was 131 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: forced to let Liu Shauchi, the President of China to 132 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: run the day to day task running the country, and 133 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 3: he did not like it, so he wanted to comeback 134 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: to take back his absolute power. That's how it launched 135 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 3: the revolution, the Cultural Revolution in nineteen sixty six. There's 136 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: not a time that he was saying everything he did 137 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 3: was playing god. He felt like you know, of course 138 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: dictator like him, he actually feel that he had the 139 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: power of being a god and try to fundamentally transform 140 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: our society and everything has to be ray shaped in 141 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 3: his own image. 142 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: I noticed by the way that when you were young, 143 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: you lived in chang Dou. 144 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 2: Yes. 145 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: Isn't that where the panda bears are. 146 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: Yes, Panda bear is known for its pander bear. Yeah. 147 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: But I have to say that I was six twenty 148 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 3: seven when the Cultural Revolution started, So my memory before 149 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 3: the Cultural Revolution was relatively normal, and I did have 150 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 3: one semester of normal kind of normal education, even though 151 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: that's also in doctrination. But I do remember, you know, 152 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: for the reading class, we have some kind of rhymes 153 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,079 Speaker 3: about nature and you know, kind of a child would 154 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: find easy to read and easy to remember. And that's 155 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: all stopped after Cultural Revolution, and it's all the textbook 156 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 3: we used before were considered not radical enough. After the 157 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: school reopened, we went back and a mouse little read 158 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 3: book become the textbook. 159 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: When did it occur to you that this was wrong? 160 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: No, it did not ever occurred to me that was wrong. 161 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: That is the same people ask me, did you realize 162 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 3: something was wrong? 163 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 2: Now? I thought, that's what's normal. 164 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: When you grew up in the controlled society, you were 165 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 3: giving whatever information they approved, so you don't have any 166 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 3: other information. You don't have religion was destroyed, and you 167 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: don't have a moral campus. There's just nothing for you 168 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: to have a reference point and say this did not 169 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 3: seem right from in my mind, a child mind, this 170 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: is the way it should be. 171 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 2: This is the way Maul wanted to be. They must 172 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: be right. 173 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: And I think people undermined and don't understand the importance 174 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 3: the power of indoctrination. 175 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: I never questioned anything. Some people say, oh, they question, Yeah, 176 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: they are the minority. Most word didn't. 177 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: Everybody was in a survival mode. You just want to 178 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 3: be on the right side of whatever that is, and 179 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: you follow it so that you don't get yourself into trouble. 180 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: Is that what we're seeing on our college campuses today. 181 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely, especially now, I think right now people start to 182 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 3: see the real evil truth face of war. That is, 183 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: everything was built on the pull Marxist doctrine oppressors versus 184 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: oppressed oppressor, bad, evil, oppressed, virtuous and good. 185 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 2: So anything is depend on that. You don't do any thinking. 186 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 3: Whoever was labeled as oppressor and as an enemy enemy 187 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: of the state, anything you do to them is justified, 188 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: including killing, raping, kidnapping, torturing. That's what happened during the 189 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: Culture Revolution. When the teacher overnight was classified as the 190 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 3: enemy of the state, the students went after them. They 191 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: were just teachers yesterday. Today they become the enemy and 192 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: anything to do to them is justified. That's how the 193 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: teachers get killed. And the first killing during the Cultural 194 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 3: Revolution was done by a group of young girls. They beat, 195 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: torture and killed their principle no consequence. So I say 196 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 3: we're in the turning point. People start to really see 197 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: that these same people that supported BMN, supported transgender ideology 198 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 3: now is supporting terrorism. Same principle ideology is exact the 199 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 3: same pressors versus a press. 200 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: What do you think I wanted to talk with you 201 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: about this because I absolutely believe the parallels into tolitarian societies, 202 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: whether it's Lenin or for that matter, Hitler or mal 203 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: but the parallels of how the system works are always 204 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: the same, and they were captured in large part by 205 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: George Orwell and his famous novel nineteen eighty four. And 206 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: you end up with people who, and this was true 207 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: in China and Russia and Germany and now sadly on 208 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: some of our great universities, you end up with people 209 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: who repeat things mindlessly because they literally have been brainwashed. 210 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, thinking is not necessary, You don't need to think. 211 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 3: You just someone tell you this a group of people oppressors, 212 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: the others appressed, and you don't have to do anything. 213 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: You go after those called oppressors right now, those Jewish people. 214 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: And that's why we see the people on campus turned 215 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 3: against their schoolmates. Yesterday they were just classmates. Today there 216 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: were enemies, and they were attacking Jewish students. And that's 217 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: absolutely is the cultural revolution, only. 218 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 2: That it is the first step. If we don't stop. 219 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: It, it will become really, really much worse, and the 220 00:14:41,960 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 3: violence will take over all society. 221 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: When did you begin to think that the cultural revolution 222 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: wasn't normal? 223 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: What happened in your life. 224 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: I think that is really after I went to college 225 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: did I question it. I did not like it, but 226 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: I never questioned whether it's wrong or right. My God 227 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: MAO wanted it, and I must be right. I think 228 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: it's after I went to college. I went to college 229 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy eight, and in the early eighties China 230 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: started to open up, and then we started to get 231 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: information in from outside China. And I remember by then 232 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 3: we could listen to BBC and the Voice of America 233 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 3: openly to learn English. But that was a crime punishable 234 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 3: by death during the Culture Revolution. And that's how little 235 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: by little the information coming in. And that's how I said, this. 236 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: Is all lies. The things we were taught were all lies. 237 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. 238 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 3: When you are controlled, totally controlled, you don't have other information, 239 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: and you're told in America that is missinformation and that 240 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: is the information, and you were told only the information 241 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: they want to hear or to see is the real information. 242 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 3: When you control that, you control people's way of thinking, 243 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: because without reliable information, you can't make really make judgment. 244 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 3: So I think that's the beginning that I start to 245 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: realize that we have I have been taught lies, and 246 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 3: I still don't know enough until I came out, and 247 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 3: when I started to really get information about the culture Revolution, 248 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: about what I experienced from places like Hong Kong, more 249 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 3: reliable information, that's when I really start to understand what 250 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: I experienced. What I experienced, all this chaos, all these 251 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: killings and or whatever, twenty some million people died is 252 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: because of one man and because of his desire to 253 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: have absolute power. That was when I realized that I 254 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 3: thought that was absolutely evil. 255 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: One of the things that happened to you is in 256 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: your last year in high school you were sent back 257 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: out to the countryside and a program called up to 258 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: the mountains and down to the countryside. And it struck 259 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: me that that was really a very important moment in 260 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: your own education because you began to realize that the 261 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: system wasn't working. 262 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, and because before I was just a kid in 263 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 3: school and I did not work, so I have no 264 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: real life experience, and so when I was in the countryside, 265 00:17:53,840 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: I really see socialism really won't work because when the 266 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: land is not yours and you work for points, work 267 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: points and use that to exchange for grain will produce, 268 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 3: don't have incentive to work harder. That's when I started 269 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 3: to notice that the system encourage the worst of human nature. 270 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,719 Speaker 3: People don't want to contribute because whatever you contribute is 271 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: not yours. Then Chinese few are not lazy. But during 272 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 3: my time in the countryside and also later in the city, 273 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 3: the Chinese view were so lazy. But why would they 274 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 3: work hard? 275 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: That's the thing. Why would they work hard? If they 276 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 2: work hard, they don't get anything in return. 277 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 3: So yes, I noticed things, but I never really questioned 278 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: because there's nothing for me to compare with. And we 279 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 3: were told that the capitalism was the worst system because 280 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: exploring the poor and go after the vulnerable people. When 281 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: I come out, I realized capitalism really gave you a choice. 282 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 3: And I call that choice freedom because in socialism you 283 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: don't have a choice. And I was never until I 284 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: came to America. I never get to choose anything. I 285 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 3: always was told what to do, and even after graduation 286 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: from college, I was giving a job. It's called job assignment. 287 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: The party has a plan for you. The party wanted 288 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 3: to do this and do that, and you have no choice. 289 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: I had the experience years ago to spend the weekend 290 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: with Lee Kwan Yu, who had been the creator of 291 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: modern Singapore, which is arguably the most successful city state 292 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: in the world. And I asked him what was the 293 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: secret to his ability to follow Paula that worked so well? 294 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: And he said, you know, he said, I was a 295 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: graduate student in England right after World War Two when 296 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: the Labor Party was in charge and was imposing socialism, 297 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: and so every time I had to make a decision, 298 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: I would ask myself what would the Labor Party do? 299 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: And I would then do the exact opposite, And by 300 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: doing the exact opposite, everything worked. And in a sense 301 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: you had the experience of how really bad a tautolitarian 302 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: socialist society can be. And in that sense, I think 303 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: you're very very important profit for America of the world 304 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: that could come if we don't get our act together, 305 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: because we're drifting towards that kind of decay. Now you 306 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: do end up coming to the US. Was that after college? 307 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 3: Yes, it's after ma died and Don Joe Kin took power, 308 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 3: and he was very practical. He was a communist, but 309 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 3: he knew that after Mao died, China was really in 310 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: the brink of total collapse, not just economically but ideologically. 311 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 2: People stopped believing. 312 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 3: Communism, and they stopped believing the lies they were told. 313 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: So he knew that he has to do something, so 314 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 3: he had this slogan, I'm sure you're familiar with black 315 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 3: cat or white cat, as long as the catch a. 316 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: Mouse is a good cat. 317 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 3: So he opened China up, and of course the Western capitalists. 318 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: Just more than happy to help, and. 319 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 3: Because they see the cheap market, and you know, they 320 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: say the potential of making profit. And I think that 321 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 3: was a mistake, that was absolutely a mistake. 322 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: And now we have this new China. 323 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: Model successful supposedly China model, and that was state capital, 324 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 3: the party controls everything, and that's the model that a 325 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 3: lot of the Western country admires. 326 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 2: I just think it's fascinating. 327 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 3: That we were taught by trade with China, by investing 328 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 3: in China, we will bring democracy to China. 329 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 2: And now we know that was wrong, that did not happen. 330 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 3: And on the opposite, Western countries have now become more totalitarian, 331 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 3: more like China than ever before. 332 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: No, it's very sobering. I did a book with Claire Christensen, 333 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: and in going back and doing the research, I realized 334 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: I'd been one of those people who was totally wrong 335 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: and the reason I think we were wrong is we 336 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: misunderstood Dung Chopeg. Dung Chopeng was one of the original 337 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: founding members of the Chinese Communist Party, which was actually 338 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: founded in Paris with people who had been there working 339 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: in World War One, and he came back by way 340 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: of Moscow where he spent a full year at the 341 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: Lenin University. So in his heart he was a complete 342 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: toutoilitarian communist. But his argument wasn't let's create a market 343 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: enemy so we can move towards democracy. His argument was, 344 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: if we don't have enough prosperity, they're going to throw 345 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: us out. So in order to protect the dictatorship, he 346 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: needed the investment, but his goal was actually protecting the dictatorship. 347 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: I have to be honest, I was one of those 348 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: who completely misunderstood what was happening. 349 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: No, not just you. 350 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 3: I believe that too, because since the nineteen nineties, after 351 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: the China was let into the OR Trade Organization, I 352 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 3: saw the absolutely the change, you know, the improvement in 353 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 3: China and also the opening up and in the nineties 354 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 3: you could talk openly with your friend about politics. And 355 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 3: there's some publications that are really challenging the communist doctrines, 356 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: and I thought, there's a hope. I really thought, just 357 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 3: like you, I think we all were fooled by the CCP, 358 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 3: and I thought maybe, really the time China wore changed 359 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: until they came a square. 360 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: And of course Doung Chaopang was the hardest liner at 361 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: Geneman Square. 362 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not just a few people. 363 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 3: I think the world was full. But the thing is 364 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: that he did not try to hide. He did not 365 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 3: try to tell the West, you know that we're going 366 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 3: to abandon Marxism. He was very, very clear that they 367 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: were not going to abandon Marxism. They're just going to 368 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 3: welcome the Western investment and that's it. 369 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: And now we create a monster. 370 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 3: This is the monster that more authoritarian than ever before, 371 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 3: but this time with money and now become the real 372 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 3: threat to the whole free world. 373 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: You come out of China going to school, I think 374 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: in Kentucky. Wasn't this kind of shockingly different to be 375 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: in America? 376 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, And I did detail that in my book. 377 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: It's been a while. 378 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 3: Also, when I have to think back, what was the 379 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 3: culture shop? 380 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: And the first thing I really. 381 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 3: Experienced was the choices that I have to make, choices 382 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 3: almost everything I do, I have to make a choice 383 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 3: because there's not just one way of doing it, and 384 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 3: I have to even make choices of courses to take. 385 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 3: That never happened in my school in China. You were 386 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 3: told this is the course, the three of them or 387 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 3: four of them is for next semester. No choices, even 388 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: grocery store whatever, you have choices, and that is overwhelming. 389 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: Part of the nature of freedom is it actually makes 390 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: you be more involved, more active, take more responsibility. And 391 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: maybe that's part of the attractiveness of a toutolitarian system 392 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: is it says, just do what we tell you and 393 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: you won't have to think yeah. 394 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: And then you don't take consequences because it's not your choice. 395 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 2: And here you have to make a choice. 396 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 3: It is burdened up, right, You have to make a choice, 397 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 3: and then you have to be responsible for the consequences. 398 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 3: That's what the LEFL was trying to preach, that whatever 399 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 3: your choice is not the consequence, you are not responsible 400 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 3: for it. And that is absolutely socialism. 401 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 2: So if you take the. 402 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 3: Risk, you can be successful and rewarded with fortune, or 403 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 3: you can make yourself financially ruined. But you take that 404 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: responsibility and then you suffer or enjoy the consequence, and 405 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 3: that is capitalism. 406 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: You've been in America, you understand what's going on, and 407 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you end up at the 408 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: Louden County school Board meeting and you give one minute 409 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: speech that is so powerful, drawing the parallel between the 410 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: Chinese cultural Revolution and critical race theory as a Marxist model, 411 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: that you all of a sudden become a national figure. 412 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: Did you have any idea when you went to that 413 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: meeting that that's what would happen? 414 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: Oh my god. That is something that I keep telling people. 415 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 3: That is I had no idea when I went there. 416 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 3: I was just doing my duty as a new member 417 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 3: of the committee. They asked us to go to school 418 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 3: board and I said, yes, I do it because that's 419 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 3: my duty. 420 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 2: And just like a local event. 421 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: I had absolutely no idea, no idea that my video 422 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 3: went viral. 423 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 2: I was not prepared. 424 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 3: I was scared to death when Fox News came to me, 425 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: I was scared to death and I was not ready. 426 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 3: This is not what I meant for when I joined 427 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 3: the Republican Organization. 428 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: But you know what I have to say, it's. 429 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 3: God, Will I really really think this whole thing. The 430 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 3: only thing I can figure is something is guiding me 431 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 3: from above. It guided me eventually it to you, and 432 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 3: you're the one encouraged me to write a book. I 433 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 3: never never imagined that I would write a book one day, 434 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: and then I did that, and then just everything just 435 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: falling into places I don't know. 436 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: And I said, this is the real American dream. 437 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 3: And now I have been interviewed and have been like 438 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 3: people like you for really and nobody from you know, 439 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 3: from China, immigrant who has been really living a quiet 440 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 3: life and all of a sudden, you know, really become 441 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 3: a national figure. 442 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable. This is American dream in. 443 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: A very real sense. You were the right person at 444 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: a vital intersection at the right moment, and you began 445 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: telling a truth and arming other people because they suddenly said, oh, 446 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: that really explains a lot. And I think it does. 447 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: I think if you look at Maoism, you look at 448 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: the Cultural Revolution, you look at the Red Guards, and 449 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: then you look at what happened at Harvard and at 450 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 1: Columbia and at Princeton and Yale this week, you really 451 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: see how much we have exactly the same to Tolitary 452 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: and Marxist patterns beginning to grow in America. And from 453 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: your own experience, we see how vital it is to 454 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: defeat this movement away from freedom and away from the 455 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: rule of law towards really a very anti American model. 456 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: Yes, and I tell people that the reason that the Americans, 457 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: so many of them, still don't realize what's really going on, 458 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 3: is because they never taught the history, the real history. 459 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 3: I know you're a history but just American in general 460 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: knows so little about history. And I said, that's partly 461 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: my fault as well. When I came to this country, 462 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 3: I thought I escaped communism, It's all behind me. My 463 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 3: life will be happy ever after. Because I come to America. 464 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 3: What can go wrong? So I just feel like freedom 465 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: in America is automatic, that I just enjoying it. There's 466 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: nothing can go wrong with it. And I try to 467 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 3: forget what I experienced during the Culture Revolution. It is unpleasant, 468 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: it is not even relevant. I haven't told my child 469 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 3: and my husband that much about what I experienced. When 470 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: I start to write a book, I really have to think. 471 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 3: And I talked to my friend. I said, help me 472 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 3: to kind of revive my memory is because kind of suppressed, 473 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 3: and now I know that's my fault too. I did 474 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: not keep that story alive. I did not tell the 475 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: stories share with people. I know, thinking that is the past. 476 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: But here we are, my experience is being replayed in America. 477 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 3: So now I'm totally totally coming to the mission to 478 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 3: educate Americans about. 479 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: The history that they never learned. 480 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 3: And only when we understand the history can we understand 481 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 3: the present. 482 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 2: So I think that's really my mission. 483 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: You coined the phrase, I really like you point out 484 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: that what we have is Marxism with American characteristics, which 485 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: is sort of parallel to the Chinese Communist Party's brand 486 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: of socialism with Chinese characteristics. 487 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah. 488 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: I think it's a great play on words, and I 489 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: really like Marxism with American characteristics, and it's exactly the 490 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 1: right thing to explain that. And as part of that, 491 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: you point out something which the elite news media desperately 492 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: does not want to deal with, and that is that 493 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter at its heart is a Marxist operation. 494 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. 495 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 3: I think Marxism it's always been adapted to the country, 496 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 3: to its culture, to its population. 497 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: It's always a little different. 498 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 3: And what happened in Russia is not real classic Marxism, right, 499 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 3: and marx predict that it should be the working class 500 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 3: that overthrow the bourgeois class. It's not quite like that 501 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: in Russia because Russia was overwhelmingly agricultural society. In China 502 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 3: the same thing. Then Chinese style Marxism or Maoism is 503 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 3: really a combination of Marxism and part of the totalitarian 504 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 3: of the Chinese culture because in China, the Chinese people 505 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 3: never experienced the freedom. They never know what freedom is. 506 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: They always lived under tyranny. So Mao really combined whatever 507 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 3: he called the feudalistic characteristic of Chinese civilization and combined 508 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 3: it with Marxism, and that made really what we call Mooism. 509 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 3: So that would not really apply to America. America is 510 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 3: a free country, and then they did not have the 511 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: absolute division of helps have not, so they have to 512 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 3: adopt so that it can be effective in America. Of 513 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 3: course they use race. That is the most potent way 514 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 3: to divide people. And that's still not enough because majority 515 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 3: of the population is white. You need to expand your base. 516 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 3: That's how they go to gender, they go to sexuality. 517 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 3: They're just going to go on and expand what they 518 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 3: called the marginalized class, and so that they will always 519 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 3: have conflict in our societ. We always have people fighting 520 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 3: against each other, and that's how to come trol us. 521 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: It's a very sobering thing. I think what you're doing 522 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: is an extraordinarily important contribution to saving this country. I mean, 523 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: I really commend you for having the courage to do it, 524 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: for having the discipline to write a book, for being 525 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: willing to do podcasts and interviews. Gee, I really believe 526 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: that you are going to have a very significant impact 527 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: on this country because you are offering a personal testimonial, 528 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: not a theory, but a life. I want to thank 529 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 1: you for joining me. It's been a fascinating conversation. You're 530 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: a fascinating person. Your new book, Maus America, A Survivor's 531 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: Warning is a really great read and really important. I 532 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: encourage all of our listeners to get a copy. I 533 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: wish every high school and college student headed as an 534 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: assigned text. I encourage you to continue to speak out 535 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 1: warning about the parallels between Mao's cultural revolution in China 536 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: and what's unfolding in America today. 537 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, mister speaker. 538 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Gee Van Fleet. You can 539 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: get a link to buy her new book, Mao's America, 540 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: A Survivor's Warning on our show page at newtsworld dot com. 541 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: Newtsworld is produced by Gingwid three sixty and iHeartMedia. Our 542 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: executive producer is Guarnsey Sloan and our researcher is Rachel Peterson. 543 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: The artwork for the show was created by Steve Penley. 544 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: Special thanks to the team at Gingwid three sixty. 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