Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bad Your Happy Hour. I'm
Speaker 1: Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here today with
Speaker 1: actually one of the hosts of Bachelor Golden Hour, Kathy. Kathy,
Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Hey, Joe and Tourna. Thanks for having me. So excited
Speaker 2: to be here.
Speaker 1: We will. I mean, I think you've been on this
Speaker 1: I mean we've met in person. I think you've been
Speaker 1: on this podcast before. But I know it was an
Speaker 1: issue at the beginning because Serena.
Speaker 2: You know, yes, Serena didn't have too much, too many
Speaker 2: good things to say about me. But Serena, have we
Speaker 2: come a long way?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Are we good? Are we good?
Speaker 3: First of all, that's not actually accurate, but yes, Kathy,
Speaker 3: we are more than good. I love you, but I
Speaker 3: never didn't love you.
Speaker 2: You just loved other people more. It's okay, I'm just
Speaker 2: climbing up the hill here.
Speaker 3: I love it. On one podcast two years ago, I
Speaker 3: will never live it down to this woman.
Speaker 2: I got my hid from boots on. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Kathy, you go on. You know, I kind
Speaker 1: of figured they were going to ask you. It seemed
Speaker 1: like a no brainer to me. But were you surprised
Speaker 1: at all to be asked to go on to Bachelor
Speaker 1: in Paradise.
Speaker 2: I mean everyone's always surprised. I knew they didn't have
Speaker 2: as many goldens to choose from as they did young ones,
Speaker 2: young ands, as I refer to them. So you know,
Speaker 2: I am known for my banter and my silliness, so
Speaker 2: I thought there was a chance. But still when you
Speaker 2: get the call, it's it's exciting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know that your co host on Bachelor
Speaker 3: Golden Hour, Susan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's left me in the dirt for a Frenchman.
Speaker 2: Let's just she least call it out.
Speaker 3: How did she do that? She left you all alone
Speaker 3: on the beach.
Speaker 2: She did, actually, But you know what, he's a great guy.
Speaker 2: She's happy, and who could ask for more?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I love that my friend is happy.
Speaker 3: How did you feel when you got on the boat
Speaker 3: and you looked around and you saw the other goldens
Speaker 3: that were going to be going to Paradise with you?
Speaker 2: So I you know, I had made it well known
Speaker 2: that I wanted to date with c K and I
Speaker 2: wanted to date with Keith, so I was thrilled to
Speaker 2: see both of them there. I had a suspicion that
Speaker 2: they may be there because there was sort of talk
Speaker 2: going around who was going to be there. But you know,
Speaker 2: until until you arrive, you don't know.
Speaker 1: What and did anything happen between you and c K?
Speaker 2: So it was really strange. C K and I are
Speaker 2: really good friends. We talked on the phone a lot,
Speaker 2: but when he got I think he's camera shy or something.
Speaker 2: He just shut down. And I was like, I kept saying,
Speaker 2: come on, ck.
Speaker 1: Talk to me.
Speaker 2: Let's go. So I don't know what happened. I don't
Speaker 2: know what happened, but you know, he missed the boat
Speaker 2: literally and figuratively.
Speaker 3: Out of the women there, who were you closest with.
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, Leslie. And let me just say, Leslie,
Speaker 2: it was great to see April because you know, we
Speaker 2: just hadn't really talked in a few years, and we
Speaker 2: got our love fest going again. Leslie and our roomed together,
Speaker 2: and so it was a great opportunity to get to
Speaker 2: know her better.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Nancy, but nance was there a hot minute.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was in and out really quick.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You mentioned we'll refer to the to the youngins as
Speaker 1: the youngins, but the young uns have more options, you know,
Speaker 1: there's it just seems like there's more options opposed to you, guys,
Speaker 1: it really seems like options are somewhat limited. Did you
Speaker 1: feel that way when you were down there?
Speaker 2: I mean a little bit because a little bit because
Speaker 2: we were hoping that there were going to be more
Speaker 2: guys there. We were sort of hoping that maybe some
Speaker 2: of more of Jones cast offs, or maybe more of Jones,
Speaker 2: the guys that didn't quite make the cut, you know,
Speaker 2: would show up. But I have to be honest. Going
Speaker 2: for me, I'm the eternal optimist. I'm always hoping to
Speaker 2: find love. But I also was so excited about the
Speaker 2: opportunity to be the first Goldens with the Youngins. And honestly,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a mom of three. I thought, you know,
Speaker 2: I might be able to help them. I might give
Speaker 2: them some good advice. So I was excited about that too.
Speaker 3: Was there was there anything you were worried about going
Speaker 3: into it with the mixing of the Goldens and the
Speaker 3: young Ins.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I might have done a body shot
Speaker 2: on c K for my birthday, but I was not.
Speaker 2: I have three kids. Every you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: I'm not going to hook up with a young guy.
Speaker 2: I'm just not so.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I wasn't worried at all. I was there for the
Speaker 2: adventure of the fun, hopefully to fall in love and
Speaker 2: be sort of the mom to anybody who wanted to talk.
Speaker 1: Who do you think you were the most mom too?
Speaker 1: When you were down there out of the like who
Speaker 1: were you? Who was coming to you? A lot.
Speaker 2: I talked to really all of the young ones, I'd
Speaker 2: say the most was Parisa, Alex and and and Jess
Speaker 2: and Jess.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, so Keith, you you and Keith
Speaker 1: are in a platonic relationship.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It seemed to have started as potentially exploring something romantic.
Speaker 3: We see you guys go to the vip VIP suite
Speaker 3: for your date night, kind of walk us through how
Speaker 3: that night went and then how it ended up gearing
Speaker 3: just more towards friendship.
Speaker 2: You know, for me, it was a no brainer. When
Speaker 2: I won the secret challenge and made sure I won
Speaker 2: that challenge, there was it was no question I was
Speaker 2: going to invite Keith. And we had a great time.
Speaker 2: We talked, we made jokes. Keith has the most amazing
Speaker 2: sense of humor and he's such a kind guy all
Speaker 2: wrapped into one.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I think that's why the Youngins love him. I think
Speaker 2: that's why the Goldens love him. He's just that guy
Speaker 2: that can go anywhere and have a conversation with anyone.
Speaker 2: And so, uh, you know, we sat in the hot
Speaker 2: tub and had champagne and strawberries, and we had some
Speaker 2: swimming races and some just laughs, and so I think
Speaker 2: for both of us it was such a great time.
Speaker 2: But it was also confirmation that we were just always
Speaker 2: going to be good.
Speaker 3: Okay, and the Romanda connection just wasn't really there as
Speaker 3: much as the love was there.
Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, Yeah, for both of us.
Speaker 1: Two part question, who rubbed you the wrong way? Out
Speaker 1: of the Golden Cast and out of the young and Cast?
Speaker 1: If anyone did, they may not.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm this is Kathy always tells
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kim, That's what I'm asking.
Speaker 2: You know. I am who I am, Kim? Why because
Speaker 2: I am a friendly person. I got to know everybody.
Speaker 2: I knew some of the I knew some of the
Speaker 2: Youngins from being on our podcast, Golden Hour podcast. I
Speaker 2: knew some of the Goldens from meeting them at other events.
Speaker 2: I'd never met Kim, and my husband was an officer
Speaker 2: in the Navy. My husband won the Navy Achievement Medal,
Speaker 2: which is the highest honor you can get as an officer,
Speaker 2: and so I just let you know we can have
Speaker 2: some chats about naval officer times. Anyway, I went up
Speaker 2: to him and I said, you know, Kim, I've talked
Speaker 2: with everybody, but I really haven't chatted with you much, Like,
Speaker 2: is there something wrong? Did I say something? I just
Speaker 2: couldn't figure it out? And he looked at me up
Speaker 2: and down with his eyeballs and said, there is absolutely
Speaker 2: nothing about you I find attractive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a horrible that is really not nice.
Speaker 2: So I think perhaps people can understand. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's okay, he's not attracted me. I'm not
Speaker 2: attracted to him, but I would never say something like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's a nice enough guy for somebody,
Speaker 2: but uh.
Speaker 3: You don't have to find someone attractive to want to
Speaker 3: get to know them.
Speaker 1: Did you say your poem suck? Did you say that too?
Speaker 1: And you say your fucking poemsuck? That?
Speaker 2: Can I just tell you I may or may not
Speaker 2: have had a few laughs. First the poem to Leslie,
Speaker 2: then a poem to Faith. It was like, the guy
Speaker 2: likes to write poems. He's he's singing in the mansion,
Speaker 2: and he's writing poems in Paradise.
Speaker 3: He's a creative.
Speaker 1: What was your when he said that to you? What
Speaker 1: was your response?
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I I tend to take handle
Speaker 2: difficult situations and sort of make a joke of it.
Speaker 2: And I think I said something like, well, okay, I
Speaker 2: guess said no where I stand? Nice walked away.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
Speaker 3: So what do you think about Kim and Faith's relationship that?
Speaker 3: And where do you stand with Faith?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Faith? That I we talk. We're very good friends. I
Speaker 2: think you know some people, I think I don't know
Speaker 2: where they are. I suspect their only friends, because that's
Speaker 2: what you know, was the vibe, but except for the
Speaker 2: making out part. But we'll just sca, we'll just skim
Speaker 2: over that. I think that I can't speak to where
Speaker 2: they are today. But I like Faith a lot, and
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Faith felt really hard for Gary
Speaker 2: are Gary from Golden Bachelor, and I think that she
Speaker 2: wanted to explore getting to know him good for her.
Speaker 2: I mean, Paradise is about exploring relationships and fallen in love.
Speaker 3: So watching the show, it does appear that they are
Speaker 3: in a romantic relationship where they're exploring and they're falling
Speaker 3: for each other maybe a little bit. But I can
Speaker 3: tell from your interviews that you aren't really buying into
Speaker 3: that it's more than a friendship. Can you maybe provide
Speaker 3: us with a little context?
Speaker 2: Uh, I just I just think that I just didn't
Speaker 2: get the vibe. I did not get the feel. You know,
Speaker 2: Faith and I had conversations when she came. She chose
Speaker 2: me to go horseback riding with I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: I really can't say more than I don't think Faith.
Speaker 2: She came in there were very limited options, so she
Speaker 2: was trying to make silk out of a sow's ear.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you feel like, you know, the effort was
Speaker 3: being put in, but like the romance wasn't really there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not dear Abby, but I you know
Speaker 2: she was. They came and went. She came and went
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. And you know, if she could fall in
Speaker 2: love that fast, I want whatever she's smoking, drinking, or eating.
Speaker 3: How is the horseback riding with Faith? You're really really
Speaker 3: scared of horses? Well?
Speaker 2: I got to say Faith was fabulous. I really was.
Speaker 2: People think I was joking. Oh no. When she asked
Speaker 2: me to go hers back writing, I thought, and the
Speaker 2: reason she asked me back on golden. At Teresa and
Speaker 2: Gary's wedding, I made a smart alec comment shocker about uh,
Speaker 2: she could never leave her hometown because she has a
Speaker 2: dead horse in her backyard. I didn't, I did. I
Speaker 2: said it, but I didn't realize she had raised this
Speaker 2: horse from a puppy or you know whatever called folds
Speaker 2: and this she trained it, and you know, it was
Speaker 2: like a child to her and she had like twenty
Speaker 2: something years. Had I known that, I would have never
Speaker 2: said it. So she came to me and talked, and
Speaker 2: she knows I'm deadly afraid of horses. So I thought,
Speaker 2: I owe it to faith to you know, to I
Speaker 2: wanted to repair our friendship. And I thought, you know what,
Speaker 2: you can't talk and not do. You can't take risks. Sorry,
Speaker 2: you cannot not take risks. And so I thought, I've
Speaker 2: got to prove to people that being golden doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you're just wrapped up and out in the field somewhere,
Speaker 2: that you're willing to try things that scare you. So
Speaker 2: that was the impetus for me saying yes to it,
Speaker 2: and it was fun, but I was scared to death
Speaker 2: most of the time. And Faith kept talking to me,
Speaker 2: telling me what to do, except she was talking into
Speaker 2: the wind and I literally could say, Faith, I can't
Speaker 2: hear you because I couldn't hear. But I you know what,
Speaker 2: I did it. I loved it. I came off feeling
Speaker 2: like I could ride a horse again. It was a
Speaker 2: win win, That's amazing.
Speaker 3: I loved that.
Speaker 1: And then out of the youngins, has anyone rubbed you
Speaker 1: the wrong way?
Speaker 2: Brian and Jeremy. Remember I'm from Boston, so I can
Speaker 2: I can take it, you know, those guys that Northeastern vibe.
Speaker 2: They I think it was hard watching Parisa, you know,
Speaker 2: saying when she goes and talks to him, you know,
Speaker 2: did I do too much? Am I Am? I not
Speaker 2: who you're looking for? All that sort of emotional turmoil.
Speaker 2: And I love Parisa and she is such a lovely person,
Speaker 2: so I I was I want to take him and
Speaker 2: flap him upside the head and say, look at this girl,
Speaker 2: what is wrong with you? And then Jeremy, you know,
Speaker 2: the whole thing was Susie. I was like, oh, come on,
Speaker 2: but rubbing me the wrong way? You know, I love
Speaker 2: them both. They're great guys, But come.
Speaker 1: On, in your opinion down there, who who do you
Speaker 1: think is the strongest couple? You know, being a mother,
Speaker 1: being someone who's wise, You've seen a lot like who
Speaker 1: in your opinion has legs to make it after this show?
Speaker 2: There are two that I jessin Spencer without a doubt.
Speaker 2: I could see it from the minute I walked into Paradise.
Speaker 2: And Andrew and Alex I think have a really good shot.
Speaker 2: I also think, actually, Daleen Kat I do. I think
Speaker 2: they're both at a Dale and Cat are both at
Speaker 2: points in their lives where they know what they want.
Speaker 2: They're both beautiful people, they're both energetic, They both you know,
Speaker 2: have have a vision for their future, and I think
Speaker 2: I could well include each other.
Speaker 1: Nice. Okay, so we see the show. The format somewhat
Speaker 1: switches to a well does switch to a competition show?
Speaker 1: Five hundred thousand dollars is introduced. Yeah, like, where did
Speaker 1: you did you know this? Going in? Where's your logic?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: It's a it's a game. You're partnered up with Keith.
Speaker 1: You guys are friends. You could potentially win money yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, I've said to another podcasts and you're probably
Speaker 2: not going to believe me. Keith and I, as soon
Speaker 2: as we knew money was involved, we both looked at
Speaker 2: each other and said, there is no way we will
Speaker 2: take money away from young kids. That we would self eliminate,
Speaker 2: throw the contest, whatever it was, to make sure we
Speaker 2: didn't win. And I honestly will.
Speaker 1: Tell you why why would you think that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: believe that.
Speaker 2: I believe well, because I think most people dangle five
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars and who do I have to kill
Speaker 2: to get it? And I'm not that way. But here's
Speaker 2: what Here is the truly my truth. I am at
Speaker 2: a point in my life. I'm in the last great
Speaker 2: chapter of my life, and I am so much more
Speaker 2: about connection with people than money. I have enough money
Speaker 2: to live. You know, would five hundred thousand be great
Speaker 2: if someone forced it into palms of my end? You bet.
Speaker 2: But I'm much more interested in people and connections and
Speaker 2: ships and my children and my grandchildren and that guy
Speaker 2: that's out there waiting for me. So I want to
Speaker 2: see the young ones win the money. I want them
Speaker 2: to get a great start on their life. You know,
Speaker 2: whether it's find a home or cars or paying off
Speaker 2: college debt.
Speaker 1: But are you are you interested at all in playing
Speaker 1: in just competing?
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm a competitor. I so that was the struggle
Speaker 2: for me, Like, oh, I wanted to win when Keith
Speaker 2: could not get the keys in the treasure chest. You
Speaker 2: heard what I said, why send a you know, why
Speaker 2: send a man to do a woman's job. It's like,
Speaker 2: I want to win, but I don't want to win
Speaker 2: at the expense of the younguns. No way.
Speaker 3: Okay, So you liked the competition element and competing, but
Speaker 3: when it came down to it, you weren't motivated by
Speaker 3: the money. You were more motivated by winning these challenges.
Speaker 1: One it seemed like Sean went pretty like full throttle
Speaker 1: on playing the game and the like, playing the game
Speaker 1: and getting caught up in the game, and it ended
Speaker 1: up being his demise that week. But what was your
Speaker 1: take on it? Did you have an issue with him
Speaker 1: doing that?
Speaker 2: I actually did. I took him aside well to the
Speaker 2: extent that he did it. It's you know, again, I've
Speaker 2: said it a million times. Love money. Sometimes they're like
Speaker 2: well and vinegar don't mix. I think that Sean took
Speaker 2: it too far. He was strategizing to the nines about
Speaker 2: who should we get rid of, and you know, and
Speaker 2: and when he sat down with Keith and me and said,
Speaker 2: you know, we need to get rid of this one
Speaker 2: or that one, and and Alicia and I have the
Speaker 2: strongest relationship here, I was like, no, you don't. And
Speaker 2: that to me has nothing to do with winning the money.
Speaker 2: When you bring money into it, it's it. It may
Speaker 2: or may not change your relationship. And I think that's
Speaker 2: that the issue. Are you here for love or money?
Speaker 2: Jonathan came out and said it he didn't find love,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going home. I want the money. I
Speaker 2: was like, what, And Brian had said it he wanted
Speaker 2: the money. Jeremy said he wanted it. But I do
Speaker 2: think the young'ins believed Keith and may because we both
Speaker 2: said to them, where guys, we're not We're not doing that.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if that's you know.
Speaker 3: Do you think that that may have saved you this
Speaker 3: past week from going home where you know, Jonathan and
Speaker 3: Leah got sent home as people knew that they were
Speaker 3: competing for the money, whereas you and Keith were not.
Speaker 1: And I will say, I will say before you answer
Speaker 1: that Dale did come on this podcast and say that
Speaker 1: he kept you guys, not for the competitive reason, but
Speaker 1: because he valued your relationship and your advice.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love you Dale, honestly. That that's what I think.
Speaker 2: I think many of them they came to us, both
Speaker 2: of us, in separate moments, and said, we love having
Speaker 2: you here, we love being able to talk to you
Speaker 2: and ask you questions. And they did. But I also
Speaker 2: think they really knew we weren't a threat. I think
Speaker 2: it's twofold. They knew that we were not going to
Speaker 2: take the money, but they also appreciated the care and
Speaker 2: concern that we both gave the young uns.
Speaker 3: There seems to be a unspoken or maybe it's spoken,
Speaker 3: understanding amongst the group that the strongest romantic relationships should
Speaker 3: be the ones to make it to the end, and
Speaker 3: one of those couples should be the ones to win
Speaker 3: the money. Do you agree with that mentality? No?
Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's why making it a competition
Speaker 1: show changes the whole game, because those people should be
Speaker 1: picked off.
Speaker 2: Who should be picked off?
Speaker 1: The strong competitors, the strong couples get them out.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I see it.
Speaker 1: Why do you know it's from a competitive from a
Speaker 1: super comp like if you were in a.
Speaker 2: Minute, if you're, if you're I define a strong couple
Speaker 2: by being a couple in love. You can be in
Speaker 2: love and guess the wrong numbers, can't find the keys
Speaker 2: in the sand, you know what? Are so so for me?
Speaker 2: And I said this, the the strong couples, if they're
Speaker 2: that strong, they're going to go home and they're going
Speaker 2: to pursue love and pursue their relationship.
Speaker 1: Definitely.
Speaker 2: The people who are good competitors and and can win
Speaker 2: games are going to go home with a lot of
Speaker 2: money and the two don't necessarily have anything to do
Speaker 2: with each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, I agree with that. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: I take back what I said. I agree with that.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are saying, like, oh,
Speaker 3: for example, Justin Spencer should stay because they're, you know,
Speaker 3: really in a serious relationship. But if you think about it,
Speaker 3: Justin Spencer are winning competitions. They're the most likely at
Speaker 3: this point probably to win the five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: If you send them home right now, they're going to
Speaker 3: keep dating that that's not going to be make or
Speaker 3: breaks in their relationships. Right, but you have to remember
Speaker 3: to see the mentality of the ground.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you have to remember the young ands are
Speaker 2: all very close with each other, and oh, I can't
Speaker 2: send this one home because we're good friends and we're
Speaker 2: so and I literally one of the pieces of advice
Speaker 2: I gave is, listen, guys, you're going to be friends
Speaker 2: after this. This is not You've got to understand. If
Speaker 2: you're here for love, you're here for love. If you're
Speaker 2: here for the money, you're here for the money. So
Speaker 2: if you want to get if you want to win
Speaker 2: the money, get rid of the people that are winning
Speaker 2: the challenges. I mean, it's just to me, it's just
Speaker 2: logical thinking.
Speaker 1: During during the glamping challenge, you and Keith have Yeah, such.
Speaker 3: A glamping is a strong word.
Speaker 2: I loved it.
Speaker 1: You and Keith have like a really sweet conversation. Was
Speaker 1: there any part of you that I thought, maybe like
Speaker 1: this could turn romantically with Keith during that moment.
Speaker 2: Well, let's be clear, we were drinking wine, and you.
Speaker 1: Know what, sometimes that's all it takes. That's right.
Speaker 2: It certainly can create loose lips. We did. We Keith
Speaker 2: is you know he was advertised on Jones season as
Speaker 2: girl dad. And he is a lovely man who is
Speaker 2: very sensitive. And you know, he complimented me and and
Speaker 2: you know, telling me I was beautiful and kind and
Speaker 2: all that. And I think he thinks that. But you know,
Speaker 2: I can't speak for why Keith isn't smart enough to
Speaker 2: know that I'm a catch. You'd have to ask him that.
Speaker 2: But we did have a great time and and we
Speaker 2: love the camping. It was fun. Keith loves to camp.
Speaker 2: Uh and he you know, to him, this was old
Speaker 2: Home Week.
Speaker 3: Do you think Keith would be a good Golden Bachelor?
Speaker 2: I have never thought about that. Yeah, he probably he could.
Speaker 2: He's got the personal I think he could pull it
Speaker 2: off if if, if they bring him, though, I'm coming,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be one of the contestants, just to just
Speaker 2: to rile him up.
Speaker 1: Gary, Gary, who is a hot commodity down there for
Speaker 1: a minute, makes it just like a massive mistake in
Speaker 1: the game, Like such a bad mistake. Why do you
Speaker 1: think he like? Why do you think he did that?
Speaker 2: Can I just give you a little backstreet humor here?
Speaker 2: Keith and I are sitting there because we're in the bottom.
Speaker 2: We are we're in jeopardy of going home. Or being
Speaker 2: in the being voted off. And so Keith is looking
Speaker 2: at me. He's giving the guy should be a sports announcer.
Speaker 2: He's giving me a play by play of you know,
Speaker 2: he needs to just bet this. And and so we're
Speaker 2: watching Gary flipping. We are watching him flip the chips
Speaker 2: chip thank you, and he's talking with with Jesse and
Speaker 2: he's chit chatting about this and Keith and are look
Speaker 2: at you, going, dude, put one chip up there. You're
Speaker 2: you're at the top of the ladder here. You're not
Speaker 2: going to win because you know somebody else had already
Speaker 2: doubled their their chips. You're not going to win, but
Speaker 2: you're here, here for the child. So when he started
Speaker 2: flipping the chips and ever put out nine chips, I
Speaker 2: looked at Keith and he looked at me. And when
Speaker 2: I went and I think Keith looked at me and
Speaker 2: said we're going to be safe. And I was stunned.
Speaker 2: And I thought, and I will tell you Gary, after that,
Speaker 2: his he wasn't quite so loud and in charge. And
Speaker 2: you know, out there, I think he really felt badly
Speaker 2: about doing that to Leslie. I really because you know,
Speaker 2: Leslie had said to him uh. I think she had
Speaker 2: said something like, you know, don't bet you had to
Speaker 2: bet one chip, and and she had said if you
Speaker 2: don't know the answer, And clearly he didn't know the answer,
Speaker 2: and so I was stunned. But thank you Gary, because
Speaker 2: it saved me.
Speaker 3: It really did. His mistake actually potentially changed your entire
Speaker 3: paradise past.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, going back to the camping date, you guys all
Speaker 3: return from camping and they revealed that a therapist has
Speaker 3: been watching all of your interactions. Yes, did her observations
Speaker 3: about any of the couples surprise you?
Speaker 2: Not one. I sat there. I actually went up to
Speaker 2: her and said, you know, I'm not sure if you're
Speaker 2: a fortune teller or I mean she hit everybody on
Speaker 2: the on the on the hail on the head. And
Speaker 2: in fact, I love what she said about Keith and
Speaker 2: May She said, you too clearly have no romantic connection,
Speaker 2: but such a deep and caring friendship. And I looked
Speaker 2: at Keith and I went, wow, I mean she just
Speaker 2: watched a few you know, she had watched all the
Speaker 2: couples at the camp to have gleaned that much from
Speaker 2: such a short view of what we were all doing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she hit everybody. Uh, I thought.
Speaker 1: Perfectly, even Andrew and Alex, because she did. Andrew and
Speaker 1: Alex don't have sexual chemistry. And know if I read.
Speaker 2: That that was funny. You said that that was the
Speaker 2: only thing, and I told her that after. I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you missed on that one.
Speaker 2: But other than that, you're absolutely right. I think she
Speaker 2: missed on that. I think there was I saw them.
Speaker 2: Andrew and Alex were so cute together and laughing a lot.
Speaker 2: You could just see the connection with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think if there's anywhere that's going to kill
Speaker 3: sexual chemistry, it's camping in Kostriga with like a bajillion boby.
Speaker 1: And it's also just cameras. You know, some people don't
Speaker 1: some people just don't want to give that type of
Speaker 1: energy on camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I loved it. I just it
Speaker 2: was I honestly, when they said we're going for the night,
Speaker 2: Keith and I were so disappointed that we didn't get
Speaker 2: to spend the night.
Speaker 3: Were you surprised that Dale and Kat won the competition?
Speaker 2: No, I did not know until we were there that
Speaker 2: how dreadfully afraid of bugs, cat Is and she I
Speaker 2: was happy that they won. He was so kind to
Speaker 2: her and she was really flipping out but giving it
Speaker 2: her best shot. You know, I loved it. They were
Speaker 2: near as I could kind of see what was going on,
Speaker 2: and no, I think that was well deserved.
Speaker 1: Were you surprised when Dale saved you and Keith over
Speaker 1: Jonathan and Leah?
Speaker 2: Not really. I think that Jonathan had made it very
Speaker 2: clear he was there for the money, so in that
Speaker 2: sense he was a threat. But also, you know, I
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time talking with Dale. In fact,
Speaker 2: there's you saw a couple of scenes where he puts
Speaker 2: his arm around me when we're sitting talking to Jesse
Speaker 2: and my my. I was teasing him, saying, listen, if
Speaker 2: things don't work out with you and Kat you're interested
Speaker 2: in an older woman, I'm available. I just think he
Speaker 2: is a great guy, and I think he appreciated our
Speaker 2: input and our thoughts about what was going on. I
Speaker 2: think he genuinely likes Keith and me.
Speaker 1: What do you guys have? Do you and Keith have
Speaker 1: a plan because you both you both know, but you
Speaker 1: both don't want to take the money from the young uns.
Speaker 1: And I do believe I do believe you when you
Speaker 1: say that, but like, do you have a plan if
Speaker 1: you end up? Like, because you don't know how this
Speaker 1: is all going to play out, Like what if you
Speaker 1: guys do win, Like what are you gonna do? Well,
Speaker 1: you may win the money, Like what if you accidentally
Speaker 1: win the money?
Speaker 2: Well, you but you can't accidentally win anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like let's say, let's just say if if
Speaker 1: it's you and another couple at the end, you know
Speaker 1: it is a TV show, You're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to back out of the last competition, Like that would.
Speaker 2: Be I mean they could, It's called a bank transfer.
Speaker 1: Pretty sure they see that.
Speaker 3: We are creeping up on the finale of Bachelor in Paradise.
Speaker 3: Looking back on this season, what were what was your
Speaker 3: favorite moment or a few of your favorite moments.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the camping was one of my favorite moments. I
Speaker 2: can't just say one. Spending time with Keith, spending time
Speaker 2: with the youngins, having food and alcohol at my You
Speaker 2: know I had to say, was drink plays, spending seeing
Speaker 2: wells again Jesse, I honestly I can't. Hannah, I loved
Speaker 2: her it truly for me. You didn't ask, but I
Speaker 2: will tell you batchlor In Paradise was so much more
Speaker 2: fun for me, and I felt like I came out
Speaker 2: of it with so many great friends and relationships and
Speaker 2: much more fun than Bachelor was Golden Bachelor.
Speaker 3: I love that. I'm so glad that you got the
Speaker 3: chance to go on Paradise, and I feel like it
Speaker 3: allowed the audience to see like just new sides of
Speaker 3: you that they didn't get to see on on the Battle.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I honestly always say this and I
Speaker 2: mean it. If people get to I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: everyone's cup of tea, and I know.
Speaker 1: That well, like even Serena, you weren't her cup of tea,
Speaker 1: and yeah, ser.
Speaker 2: Like, let me just say, Serena, you would be a
Speaker 2: perfect example. Once you get to know me, you typically
Speaker 2: like me.
Speaker 3: I do like you, Kathy.
Speaker 2: I remember, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: someone to pull up that that old tape.
Speaker 3: Of youth, Kathy, and you're gonna realize it wasn't as
Speaker 3: bad as what you think.
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: make it in a loop. I'm gonna send it to
Speaker 2: you and Joe's gonna play it for you. Before you
Speaker 2: go to bed, You're gonna hear me saying every night, I.
Speaker 3: Can't wait, I can't wait. I'm gonna make it my alarm.
Speaker 3: I'll just all wake up to your voice every morning, Kathy,
Speaker 3: or my own voice. That's actually way worse. I don't
Speaker 3: want to do that.
Speaker 1: Well, Kathy, honestly, it was lovely talking to you again.
Speaker 1: This was a lot of fun. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for taking the time out of your day and hanging
Speaker 1: out with us.
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for having me. It's just always great to
Speaker 2: see you guys. I hope I'll get to see you
Speaker 2: in California at some point soon or come to Austin.
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, we are. Definitely. I'm definitely gonna go back
Speaker 1: to Barton Omney Creek and golf.
Speaker 2: Oh. I'll go golfing with you. Your your handicap is
Speaker 2: about mine. Will be a good team together, perfect. I
Speaker 2: do cheat though.
Speaker 1: You use the foot weedge, I'll use the hand wedge.
Speaker 1: I'll drink in the cart, uh, Kathy, anything you want
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: Well, love you both. But I also have to say,
Speaker 2: if you haven't tuned in to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden
Speaker 2: Hour my podcast with Susan, you need to because we
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Speaker 2: Nothing is off the table with us.
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Speaker 2: Bye,