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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to Bad Your Happy Hour. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joe and I'm Serena, and we are here today with

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Speaker 1: actually one of the hosts of Bachelor Golden Hour, Kathy. Kathy,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Joe and Tourna. Thanks for having me. So excited

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Speaker 2: to be here.

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Speaker 1: We will. I mean, I think you've been on this

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Speaker 1: I mean we've met in person. I think you've been

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Speaker 1: on this podcast before. But I know it was an

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Speaker 1: issue at the beginning because Serena.

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Speaker 2: You know, yes, Serena didn't have too much, too many

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Speaker 2: good things to say about me. But Serena, have we

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Speaker 2: come a long way?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: Are we good? Are we good?

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Speaker 3: First of all, that's not actually accurate, but yes, Kathy,

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Speaker 3: we are more than good. I love you, but I

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Speaker 3: never didn't love you.

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Speaker 2: You just loved other people more. It's okay, I'm just

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Speaker 2: climbing up the hill here.

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Speaker 3: I love it. On one podcast two years ago, I

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Speaker 3: will never live it down to this woman.

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Speaker 2: I got my hid from boots on. Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Kathy, you go on. You know, I kind

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Speaker 1: of figured they were going to ask you. It seemed

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Speaker 1: like a no brainer to me. But were you surprised

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Speaker 1: at all to be asked to go on to Bachelor

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Speaker 1: in Paradise.

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Speaker 2: I mean everyone's always surprised. I knew they didn't have

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Speaker 2: as many goldens to choose from as they did young ones,

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Speaker 2: young ands, as I refer to them. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I am known for my banter and my silliness, so

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Speaker 2: I thought there was a chance. But still when you

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Speaker 2: get the call, it's it's exciting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know that your co host on Bachelor

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Speaker 3: Golden Hour, Susan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's left me in the dirt for a Frenchman.

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Speaker 2: Let's just she least call it out.

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Speaker 3: How did she do that? She left you all alone

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Speaker 3: on the beach.

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Speaker 2: She did, actually, But you know what, he's a great guy.

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Speaker 2: She's happy, and who could ask for more?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: I love that my friend is happy.

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Speaker 3: How did you feel when you got on the boat

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Speaker 3: and you looked around and you saw the other goldens

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Speaker 3: that were going to be going to Paradise with you?

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Speaker 2: So I you know, I had made it well known

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Speaker 2: that I wanted to date with c K and I

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Speaker 2: wanted to date with Keith, so I was thrilled to

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Speaker 2: see both of them there. I had a suspicion that

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Speaker 2: they may be there because there was sort of talk

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Speaker 2: going around who was going to be there. But you know,

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Speaker 2: until until you arrive, you don't know.

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Speaker 1: What and did anything happen between you and c K?

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Speaker 2: So it was really strange. C K and I are

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Speaker 2: really good friends. We talked on the phone a lot,

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Speaker 2: but when he got I think he's camera shy or something.

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Speaker 2: He just shut down. And I was like, I kept saying,

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Speaker 1: Talk to me.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. So I don't know what happened. I don't

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Speaker 2: know what happened, but you know, he missed the boat

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Speaker 2: literally and figuratively.

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Speaker 3: Out of the women there, who were you closest with.

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Speaker 2: Oh, for sure, Leslie. And let me just say, Leslie,

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Speaker 2: it was great to see April because you know, we

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Speaker 2: got our love fest going again. Leslie and our roomed together,

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Nancy, but nance was there a hot minute.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she was in and out really quick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned we'll refer to the to the youngins as

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Speaker 1: the youngins, but the young uns have more options, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's it just seems like there's more options opposed to you, guys,

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Speaker 1: it really seems like options are somewhat limited. Did you

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Speaker 2: I mean a little bit because a little bit because

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Speaker 2: the guys that didn't quite make the cut, you know,

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Speaker 2: for me, I'm the eternal optimist. I'm always hoping to

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Speaker 3: Was there was there anything you were worried about going

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I might have done a body shot

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Speaker 2: on c K for my birthday, but I was not.

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Speaker 2: I have three kids. Every you know, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to hook up with a young guy.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not so.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't worried at all. I was there for the

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Speaker 2: be sort of the mom to anybody who wanted to talk.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think you were the most mom too?

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Speaker 1: When you were down there out of the like who

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Speaker 1: were you? Who was coming to you? A lot.

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Speaker 2: I talked to really all of the young ones, I'd

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Speaker 2: say the most was Parisa, Alex and and and Jess

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, so Keith, you you and Keith

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Speaker 1: are in a platonic relationship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. It seemed to have started as potentially exploring something romantic.

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Speaker 3: We see you guys go to the vip VIP suite

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Speaker 3: for your date night, kind of walk us through how

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Speaker 3: that night went and then how it ended up gearing

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Speaker 3: just more towards friendship.

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Speaker 2: You know, for me, it was a no brainer. When

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Speaker 2: I won the secret challenge and made sure I won

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Speaker 2: that challenge, there was it was no question I was

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Speaker 2: going to invite Keith. And we had a great time.

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Speaker 2: We talked, we made jokes. Keith has the most amazing

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Speaker 2: I think that's why the Youngins love him. I think

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Speaker 2: that's why the Goldens love him. He's just that guy

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Speaker 2: And so, uh, you know, we sat in the hot

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Speaker 2: But it was also confirmation that we were just always

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Speaker 3: Okay, and the Romanda connection just wasn't really there as

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Speaker 3: much as the love was there.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, Yeah, for both of us.

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Speaker 1: Two part question, who rubbed you the wrong way? Out

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Speaker 1: If anyone did, they may not.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I'm this is Kathy always tells

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kim, That's what I'm asking.

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Speaker 2: You know. I am who I am, Kim? Why because

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Speaker 2: I am a friendly person. I got to know everybody.

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Speaker 2: I knew some of the I knew some of the

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Speaker 2: Youngins from being on our podcast, Golden Hour podcast. I

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Speaker 2: knew some of the Goldens from meeting them at other events.

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Speaker 2: I'd never met Kim, and my husband was an officer

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Speaker 2: which is the highest honor you can get as an officer,

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Speaker 2: some chats about naval officer times. Anyway, I went up

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Speaker 2: to him and I said, you know, Kim, I've talked

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Speaker 2: is there something wrong? Did I say something? I just

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Speaker 2: couldn't figure it out? And he looked at me up

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Speaker 2: nothing about you I find attractive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a horrible that is really not nice.

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Speaker 2: So I think perhaps people can understand. I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's okay, he's not attracted me. I'm not

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's a nice enough guy for somebody,

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Speaker 3: You don't have to find someone attractive to want to

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Speaker 1: Did you say your poem suck? Did you say that too?

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Speaker 1: And you say your fucking poemsuck? That?

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Speaker 2: Can I just tell you I may or may not

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Speaker 2: have had a few laughs. First the poem to Leslie,

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Speaker 2: then a poem to Faith. It was like, the guy

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Speaker 2: likes to write poems. He's he's singing in the mansion,

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Speaker 2: and he's writing poems in Paradise.

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Speaker 3: He's a creative.

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Speaker 1: What was your when he said that to you? What

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, I I tend to take handle

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Speaker 2: And I think I said something like, well, okay, I

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So what do you think about Kim and Faith's relationship that?

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Speaker 3: And where do you stand with Faith?

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Speaker 2: Faith? That I we talk. We're very good friends. I

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Speaker 2: making out part. But we'll just sca, we'll just skim

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Speaker 2: over that. I think that I can't speak to where

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, Faith felt really hard for Gary

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Speaker 2: wanted to explore getting to know him good for her.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Paradise is about exploring relationships and fallen in love.

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Speaker 3: So watching the show, it does appear that they are

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Speaker 3: tell from your interviews that you aren't really buying into

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Speaker 3: that it's more than a friendship. Can you maybe provide

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Speaker 2: Uh, I just I just think that I just didn't

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Speaker 2: Faith and I had conversations when she came. She chose

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Speaker 2: me to go horseback riding with I mean, I don't

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Speaker 2: I really can't say more than I don't think Faith.

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Speaker 2: She came in there were very limited options, so she

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Speaker 2: was trying to make silk out of a sow's ear.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you feel like, you know, the effort was

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Speaker 3: being put in, but like the romance wasn't really there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not dear Abby, but I you know

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Speaker 2: she was. They came and went. She came and went

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Speaker 2: pretty quickly. And you know, if she could fall in

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Speaker 3: How is the horseback riding with Faith? You're really really

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Speaker 3: scared of horses? Well?

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Speaker 2: I got to say Faith was fabulous. I really was.

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Speaker 2: People think I was joking. Oh no. When she asked

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Speaker 2: I loved it.

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Speaker 1: You and Keith have like a really sweet conversation. Was

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Speaker 2: I have never thought about that. Yeah, he probably he could.

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Speaker 1: a minute, makes it just like a massive mistake in

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Speaker 1: the game, Like such a bad mistake. Why do you

442
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Speaker 1: think he like? Why do you think he did that?

443
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Speaker 2: Can I just give you a little backstreet humor here?

444
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 2: Keith and I are sitting there because we're in the bottom.

445
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Speaker 2: We are we're in jeopardy of going home. Or being

446
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Speaker 2: in the being voted off. And so Keith is looking

447
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 2: at me. He's giving the guy should be a sports announcer.

448
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 2: He's giving me a play by play of you know,

449
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: he needs to just bet this. And and so we're

450
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Speaker 2: watching Gary flipping. We are watching him flip the chips

451
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Speaker 2: chip thank you, and he's talking with with Jesse and

452
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Speaker 2: he's chit chatting about this and Keith and are look

453
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: at you, going, dude, put one chip up there. You're

454
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: you're at the top of the ladder here. You're not

455
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: going to win because you know somebody else had already

456
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: doubled their their chips. You're not going to win, but

457
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 2: you're here, here for the child. So when he started

458
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: flipping the chips and ever put out nine chips, I

459
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: looked at Keith and he looked at me. And when

460
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Speaker 2: I went and I think Keith looked at me and

461
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 2: said we're going to be safe. And I was stunned.

462
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Speaker 2: And I thought, and I will tell you Gary, after that,

463
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Speaker 2: his he wasn't quite so loud and in charge. And

464
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Speaker 2: you know, out there, I think he really felt badly

465
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Speaker 2: about doing that to Leslie. I really because you know,

466
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Speaker 2: Leslie had said to him uh. I think she had

467
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Speaker 2: said something like, you know, don't bet you had to

468
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 2: bet one chip, and and she had said if you

469
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: don't know the answer, And clearly he didn't know the answer,

470
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Speaker 2: and so I was stunned. But thank you Gary, because

471
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Speaker 2: it saved me.

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Speaker 3: It really did. His mistake actually potentially changed your entire

473
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Speaker 3: paradise past.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, going back to the camping date, you guys all

476
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Speaker 3: return from camping and they revealed that a therapist has

477
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: been watching all of your interactions. Yes, did her observations

478
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Speaker 3: about any of the couples surprise you?

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Speaker 2: Not one. I sat there. I actually went up to

480
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Speaker 2: her and said, you know, I'm not sure if you're

481
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: a fortune teller or I mean she hit everybody on

482
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Speaker 2: the on the on the hail on the head. And

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Speaker 2: in fact, I love what she said about Keith and

484
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 2: May She said, you too clearly have no romantic connection,

485
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: but such a deep and caring friendship. And I looked

486
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Speaker 2: at Keith and I went, wow, I mean she just

487
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 2: watched a few you know, she had watched all the

488
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Speaker 2: couples at the camp to have gleaned that much from

489
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Speaker 2: such a short view of what we were all doing.

490
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Speaker 2: But yeah, she hit everybody. Uh, I thought.

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Speaker 1: Perfectly, even Andrew and Alex, because she did. Andrew and

492
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Speaker 1: Alex don't have sexual chemistry. And know if I read.

493
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Speaker 2: That that was funny. You said that that was the

494
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Speaker 2: only thing, and I told her that after. I said, yeah,

495
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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think you missed on that one.

496
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: But other than that, you're absolutely right. I think she

497
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Speaker 2: missed on that. I think there was I saw them.

498
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: Andrew and Alex were so cute together and laughing a lot.

499
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Speaker 2: You could just see the connection with them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think if there's anywhere that's going to kill

501
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 3: sexual chemistry, it's camping in Kostriga with like a bajillion boby.

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Speaker 1: And it's also just cameras. You know, some people don't

503
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Speaker 1: some people just don't want to give that type of

504
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Speaker 1: energy on camera.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I loved it. I just it

507
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Speaker 2: was I honestly, when they said we're going for the night,

508
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 2: Keith and I were so disappointed that we didn't get

509
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Speaker 2: to spend the night.

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Speaker 3: Were you surprised that Dale and Kat won the competition?

511
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Speaker 2: No, I did not know until we were there that

512
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: how dreadfully afraid of bugs, cat Is and she I

513
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: was happy that they won. He was so kind to

514
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: her and she was really flipping out but giving it

515
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: her best shot. You know, I loved it. They were

516
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: near as I could kind of see what was going on,

517
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 2: and no, I think that was well deserved.

518
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: Were you surprised when Dale saved you and Keith over

519
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: Jonathan and Leah?

520
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 2: Not really. I think that Jonathan had made it very

521
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 2: clear he was there for the money, so in that

522
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: sense he was a threat. But also, you know, I

523
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time talking with Dale. In fact,

524
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: there's you saw a couple of scenes where he puts

525
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 2: his arm around me when we're sitting talking to Jesse

526
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: and my my. I was teasing him, saying, listen, if

527
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: things don't work out with you and Kat you're interested

528
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: in an older woman, I'm available. I just think he

529
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 2: is a great guy, and I think he appreciated our

530
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: input and our thoughts about what was going on. I

531
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: think he genuinely likes Keith and me.

532
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: What do you guys have? Do you and Keith have

533
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: a plan because you both you both know, but you

534
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: both don't want to take the money from the young uns.

535
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 1: And I do believe I do believe you when you

536
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: say that, but like, do you have a plan if

537
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: you end up? Like, because you don't know how this

538
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: is all going to play out, Like what if you

539
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: guys do win, Like what are you gonna do? Well,

540
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: you may win the money, Like what if you accidentally

541
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: win the money?

542
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 2: Well, you but you can't accidentally win anything.

543
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like let's say, let's just say if if

544
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: it's you and another couple at the end, you know

545
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: it is a TV show, You're not gonna be able

546
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: to back out of the last competition, Like that would.

547
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 2: Be I mean they could, It's called a bank transfer.

548
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: Pretty sure they see that.

549
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: We are creeping up on the finale of Bachelor in Paradise.

550
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Speaker 3: Looking back on this season, what were what was your

551
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 3: favorite moment or a few of your favorite moments.

552
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Speaker 2: Honestly, the camping was one of my favorite moments. I

553
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: can't just say one. Spending time with Keith, spending time

554
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: with the youngins, having food and alcohol at my You

555
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: know I had to say, was drink plays, spending seeing

556
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: wells again Jesse, I honestly I can't. Hannah, I loved

557
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: her it truly for me. You didn't ask, but I

558
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 2: will tell you batchlor In Paradise was so much more

559
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: fun for me, and I felt like I came out

560
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: of it with so many great friends and relationships and

561
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: much more fun than Bachelor was Golden Bachelor.

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Speaker 3: I love that. I'm so glad that you got the

563
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: chance to go on Paradise, and I feel like it

564
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: allowed the audience to see like just new sides of

565
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: you that they didn't get to see on on the Battle.

566
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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I honestly always say this and I

567
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: mean it. If people get to I'm not I'm not

568
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: everyone's cup of tea, and I know.

569
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Speaker 1: That well, like even Serena, you weren't her cup of tea,

570
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Speaker 1: and yeah, ser.

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Speaker 2: Like, let me just say, Serena, you would be a

572
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: perfect example. Once you get to know me, you typically

573
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: like me.

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Speaker 3: I do like you, Kathy.

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Speaker 2: I remember, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna get

576
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Speaker 2: someone to pull up that that old tape.

577
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: Of youth, Kathy, and you're gonna realize it wasn't as

578
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: bad as what you think.

579
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna

580
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: make it in a loop. I'm gonna send it to

581
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: you and Joe's gonna play it for you. Before you

582
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 2: go to bed, You're gonna hear me saying every night, I.

583
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: Can't wait, I can't wait. I'm gonna make it my alarm.

584
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Speaker 3: I'll just all wake up to your voice every morning, Kathy,

585
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 3: or my own voice. That's actually way worse. I don't

586
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: want to do that.

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Speaker 1: Well, Kathy, honestly, it was lovely talking to you again.

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Speaker 1: This was a lot of fun. Thank you so much

589
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: for taking the time out of your day and hanging

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Speaker 1: out with us.

591
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for having me. It's just always great to

592
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: see you guys. I hope I'll get to see you

593
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: in California at some point soon or come to Austin.

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00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: Definitely, definitely, we are. Definitely. I'm definitely gonna go back

595
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 1: to Barton Omney Creek and golf.

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00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: Oh. I'll go golfing with you. Your your handicap is

597
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: about mine. Will be a good team together, perfect. I

598
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: do cheat though.

599
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: You use the foot weedge, I'll use the hand wedge.

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Speaker 1: I'll drink in the cart, uh, Kathy, anything you want

601
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Speaker 1: to say.

602
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: Well, love you both. But I also have to say,

603
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: if you haven't tuned in to Bachelor Happy Hours Golden

604
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: Hour my podcast with Susan, you need to because we

605
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: have great guests and we have great conversations about everything.

606
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Speaker 2: Nothing is off the table with us.

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Speaker 1: Love that, and to our listeners, Thank you guys so

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Speaker 1: much for tuning in the Batcheler Happy Hour and make

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Speaker 1: sure you download and subscribe to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: We have new and exclusive interviews every single week. Thanks

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Speaker 3: for listening.

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Speaker 2: Bye,