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Speaker 3: Good morning, sweet Wirl, and welcome to the Nodunks podcast

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Speaker 3: on the Athletic Network. It's Friday, May eighth. This is

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Speaker 3: film Session, and today we're breaking down nineteen ninety four's

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Speaker 4: Above the Rim.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jay skeetson alongside me. Thanks to the power of technology,

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Speaker 3: All right, our movie I said it ninety four is

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Speaker 3: Above the Rim, directed by Jeff Pollock of Fresh Prince

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Speaker 3: Tupac Shakur, and Leon, among others that will surely break

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Speaker 3: down their performances in this. The IMDb synopsis story of

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Speaker 6: That's about the only separation I can make from this movie.

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Speaker 3: And we have really two game winners in this one, Lee,

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Speaker 3: but anyway, it's a formulaic. But I think the performances

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Speaker 4: Trey, would you agree with that?

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I'm exactly like JD. It's an enjoyable watch.

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Speaker 7: But as soon as you start thinking about it, you're like, wow,

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Speaker 7: this is a crazy movie. But as long as you're

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. It's like, it feels like something.

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Speaker 7: Different is happening every two minutes, but you basically have

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Speaker 7: to buy in right away. The opening scene is literally crazy.

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Speaker 7: It sounds crazy. The idea of two guys upstairs on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how long did it take for the movie to

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Speaker 3: Shep dreams this opens the movie. Shep is dreaming about

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Speaker 3: his friend Nutso falling off a building, like Trey said,

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Speaker 4: You know they're going back and forth.

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Speaker 3: They're obviously buddies, and then they're like, oh, let's put

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Speaker 3: shep does that, and then Nutso tries and he slaps

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Speaker 3: So Nora is like, Okay, that's a dream, right, Like,

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Speaker 3: he doesn't actually die that way, And I'm like watching

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Speaker 3: I can't remember does he actually die that way? Because man,

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Speaker 3: that's how he died, which is insane. What a weird

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Speaker 5: I mean, I thought that it was symbolic as well.

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Speaker 5: so as is many scenes in this movie so badly

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Speaker 5: is it just me like it looks like that they're

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Speaker 5: I scrubbed over this thing fifty times, if that like,

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Speaker 5: because it looks like there's a window behind the mask, right,

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Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden he's falling off of

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Speaker 5: there's no way that a backboard could just break like

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Speaker 5: that from slapping it, right, I mean or or is.

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Speaker 1: Established on the edge of a building.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, what happens when you miss a shot every

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Speaker 1: how he dies?

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Speaker 7: Is it is?

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Speaker 5: I think it is?

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Speaker 1: Next day, Well yeah, I just don't think it was

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Speaker 1: His fatal flaw is his friend fell off a roof.

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Speaker 1: It was a badly established or really ridiculously placed basketball hoop.

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Speaker 3: It's a task tasks. Why are there like multiple scenes

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Speaker 3: then in this movie where Shep is watching either kids

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Speaker 3: ghost basketball by himself, Like I think that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: Sure, okay, which I was fine just letting it go

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Speaker 1: JD and Trey. Once you start digging, there's you're you're

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Speaker 3: It's just like, I like that we gave the kid

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Speaker 4: But yeah, this placement of this hoop is even weirder.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was way worse.

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Speaker 1: At least you can go get a ball that he's sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean this one. This one's like there's a billion

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Speaker 2: I like to imagine.

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Speaker 7: You know, they say they find Chep in handcuffs the

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Speaker 7: They're like, so, what happened last night, Well, we were

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Speaker 7: You see that hoop, that's right by the edge he

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Speaker 7: fell off, and they're like, oh, yeah, you're probably You're right.

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Speaker 7: It makes sense. We've been waiting years and years for

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Speaker 2: Sorry, I had to be Do you.

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Speaker 1: Think maybe they edited the entire movie and then they say,

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Speaker 5: That's exactly what I think happened. If I'm putting on

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Speaker 5: I don't think he did. I think he just ran away, right,

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Speaker 5: And it had to be something that he wasn't shot.

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Speaker 3: pushing Nutso too hard. No, I'm serious, I agree with

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Speaker 5: Think that I think they originally they shot the movie,

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Speaker 5: director just finally said, this is preposterous. Let's make it

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Speaker 5: let's let's just go full on this is a dream

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Speaker 5: I mean, is it a symbol or not? But I

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Speaker 1: This is exactly what I didn't want to do. I

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Speaker 1: his bit. I get it. But he wasn't even worried

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Speaker 5: Like shot months later, it might or it might have

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's a rough start for this movie, as

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Speaker 3: That weird dream sequence and just that just how it's

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Speaker 4: How it shot.

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Speaker 3: I think I read there is a continuity error with

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Speaker 3: that whole figuring out well is there a window? Is

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Speaker 4: Or is there not type of thing.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I think I saw something about that.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, it's a weird way for someone to die,

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Speaker 3: a lot of things about it. I think they could

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Speaker 2: Is this what that little Jones song is about? From

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Speaker 3: It could be well, let's get into let's get into

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Speaker 6: Well, that's one thing about this movie. I actually think

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Speaker 6: So it definitely gets, you know, a few points credit

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Speaker 6: and you're like, I wonder if he's ever going to

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Speaker 4: Well in real in real life.

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Speaker 4: But like I said, I to save his life. Sorry.

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Speaker 1: I also saw Leon had a full scholarship as well.

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Speaker 4: That's right, California loyal Merrymount, right or whatever. How do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but then he yeah, he had a basketball schotiop,

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Speaker 3: He's got a smooth looking shot actually, I think in

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Speaker 6: But that was that was crazy. Those rooms, how they

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Speaker 6: I mean, hey, this guy hasn't got a he hasn't

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Speaker 1: So they pick guys with with basketball backgrounds, and Kyle specifically,

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Speaker 1: is that called love in Basketball? So many movies Monica

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Speaker 1: just about done? Kyle would not talk her like that

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Speaker 5: That is that Kyle's fault or is it the writer's fault?

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Speaker 1: It's definitely the writers.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think they should give There should be

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Speaker 4: How it's written, the dialogue.

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Speaker 1: Just cut it down like you just half it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're just extended him too far out this line though,

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Speaker 1: this ain't no jail and you ain't no cop because

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Speaker 2: Barney.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, it was. But but did they make

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Speaker 1: a mistake JD in not not casting an actor for

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Speaker 1: Kyle's role rather than casting a basketball player like you

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Speaker 5: I was fine with Kyle's performing.

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Speaker 2: So many movies, so many movies.

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Speaker 5: That guy is an actor, hasn't he He's been another stuff,

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure, I thought.

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Speaker 5: I thought, yeah, the dialogue was atrocious except for some

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Speaker 7: It was the coach was Yeah, the coach was hilarious

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Speaker 7: to me. There's that one practice scene where they're doing

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Speaker 2: He just keeps yelling, find the mark, find the mark,

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: But you asked, Skeets, how soon are you one back

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Speaker 7: You're like, this guy's awesome. Oh yeah, he takes over

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Speaker 4: Is amazing.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, whether you have problems with what the dialogue

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Speaker 7: I mean.

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Speaker 4: So they were saying.

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00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,439
Speaker 3: Because you know, he had some great performances, and this

438
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 3: was like, look, he's probably the perfect role for him, right,

439
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 3: this sort of like strong arm hustler that he's out

440
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,160
Speaker 3: there portraying. So he was nailing it. He was knocking

441
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 3: it out of the park. Just one more thing about

442
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 3: Kyle He I started thinking about it. This guy's like

443
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 3: Jordan esque, right. His schedule. He plays a night game,

444
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 3: then he goes straight to the club. We're told he's

445
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 3: out un till about one am. Then he's up the

446
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 3: next morning doing suicides with bug at what has to

447
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,920
Speaker 3: be like six or six thirty in the morning, because

448
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 3: he's only thirty minutes late to his seven thirty meeting

449
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 3: with his coach, so he's there by eight. This guy

450
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 3: gets no sleep and is you know, balling at the

451
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 3: club doing suicides in the morning and then another meeting

452
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 3: with his coach. That's Jordan Ask. I'm sure he got

453
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 3: some golf in there that we didn't see a deleted scene.

454
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 3: Some cigars were smoked. Yeah, hats off to Kylie Watson.

455
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 3: He's incredible.

456
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, Boogloo, you know what, gimme Styles Stolensky any way,

457
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 6: bogle Loop it's too much. He's too much energy. He's

458
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 6: annoying energy, whereas Styles comes in and he's positive energy.

459
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 2: Styles.

460
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 6: Oh my, Slynsky Styles Stelinsky. You would right rather party

461
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 6: with Styles. You would much rather hang out with him

462
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 6: during school hours. And Boogleoo is just like he's in

463
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 6: your face. It's like, just relax, man, just calm down.

464
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 6: Styles is all about fun. Boogaleloo is all about just

465
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 6: annoying everybody.

466
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,920
Speaker 3: He gets under the skin of Birdie and his crew

467
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 3: for sure. At time, he's got a lot of energy.

468
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 3: You're not wrong, but I thought he was hilarious. I

469
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 3: thought was hilarious as this character.

470
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I think it's the perfect role for Marlon

471
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,920
Speaker 7: Wayne Wins, and he honestly plays it perfectly.

472
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 2: He also gives us I don't know.

473
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's between the Nutso scene and I guess

474
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 7: this is the Dicks scene when Kyle just stops to

475
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 7: take a piss in the middle of the street, and

476
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 7: Boogoloo just can't stop talking about how his dick looks

477
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 7: like an an eater.

478
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 3: It's a weird scene. Man with your name.

479
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 5: Day, Is this a thing that happens? So I mean

480
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 5: to stop? You take a pee in the middle of

481
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 5: the street, Okay, I guess, But then you just go

482
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,239
Speaker 5: on a monologue about your friend's penis. Is that this

483
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 5: has never happened to me? And I I don't know,

484
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 5: like am I am I just an old old fashioned

485
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 5: buddy duddy over here or what? Like?

486
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 6: Listen again, Styles Telinski never said to Scott, hey, show

487
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 6: me your peew went he was away a wolf?

488
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: Did he?

489
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 6: He wasn't interested?

490
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 3: No, he would do the exact opposite. There, Buddy, you

491
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 3: gotta stop standing for style. It's not a good look.

492
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 6: Styles till I die man.

493
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,919
Speaker 1: JD. I agree. There isn't really much penis analyzing between

494
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: friends that happens. But I guess that is that just

495
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: depicts how crazy this Marlon Wayan's character is. I thought

496
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: the first one, okay, he's crazy that the first time

497
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: he said it, he points out it looks like an anteater.

498
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 1: How are you uncircumcised? He called him. That's never been

499
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: said before either uncircumcised, just not circumcised. Okay, And and

500
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: then he goes back in for a second peak, like

501
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: the thing.

502
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 5: He can't stop looking at it, he can't stop talking

503
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 5: about it. Well, it's also just.

504
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: A weird place for him to take a peek because

505
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 1: it's an overhang. He's not a corner against the wall.

506
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: He's got like a full three sixty degree view, like

507
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: he's seeing the sun on edge of extinction. Like there's

508
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: there is everybody can see it. And that's why the

509
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: cops are. I guess they run from the cops because

510
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: they're coming down the underpass or something.

511
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: It's like, again, I want to point out I have

512
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: I have taken many a leak with you know, with friends,

513
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 3: but yeah, I guess with friends, you know, late at

514
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: night after drinking. Oh my god, it's two am. I'm

515
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 3: gonna piss myself. I'm just going over to the corner here.

516
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 3: This is six or six thirty in the morning. And

517
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 3: as Bug points out, you were just at your house. Yeah,

518
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: Like it's like right there, man, like you can go back.

519
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 4: It's like, no, I can't deal with my mom. I

520
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 4: gotta be in the street. Yeah, that's one of the

521
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 4: weirder scenes in this movie.

522
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 3: That's saying something because we just talked about a guy

523
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: falling off a building after slapping a backboard. But it

524
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,719
Speaker 3: is also funny because he's I think his character is

525
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: I mean, you see this character in some of other

526
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 3: like other classics always you know, you know, mess to

527
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 3: society and other stuff like there can be these type

528
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: of characters. He's like hilarious, just fast talking, maybe annoying

529
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 3: to some characters, but he's got some funny lines he does.

530
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: Book.

531
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Speaker 5: I agree, I'm gonna say something controversial that people are

532
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 5: gonna get on me for. But I think that Damon

533
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 5: Waynes or Marlon Wayne sorry, was wrong for this role.

534
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you why. He's too charismatic, he's too cool,

535
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 5: he's too slink, do you know what I mean? Okay,

536
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 5: just based on what happens to the character. Right, he's

537
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 5: so obviously a smart guy, a funny guy, he's a

538
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 5: break guy, and he has this weird dream that he

539
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 5: wants to go and play college ball even though he

540
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 5: just got out of prison and he doesn't seem to

541
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 5: go to school. But it seems plausible that that Marlon

542
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 5: Wayans could achieve that goal, but I don't think that

543
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 5: Bug should should be able to Like, he falls so fast,

544
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 5: it's just not plausible to me, just because Marlon is

545
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 5: too cool. Does that make sense?

546
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear what you're saying, Like you almost want, like,

547
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 3: for the lack of a better word, like more of

548
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 3: a loser type.

549
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 5: Character exactly, somebody who's somebody whose sense of humor only

550
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 5: Kyle gets.

551
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: Right.

552
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 5: He's tight with Kyle, and Kyle protects him, but he's

553
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 5: just super annoying to everybody else, Like when he comes

554
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 5: onto the court when he's wearing the gold track suit

555
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 5: and he's got the chalk and he's he's he's like,

556
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 5: I think that's a great scene and that's a great

557
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 5: performance from Ways. But he's too cool, he's too funny,

558
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 5: Like I feel like people are going to be laughing

559
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 5: with him and not at him, If that makes sense.

560
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that being the case.

561
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess it's a tough one to give him

562
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 7: all these great lines and also have you think of

563
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 7: him not even in a negative way, but just as

564
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 7: a sad sack guy.

565
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 2: How do they find that perfect character? I don't know.

566
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,239
Speaker 7: I've just always assumed that the energy was what they

567
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 7: wanted from Marlon Wains because he brings it in. I

568
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 7: don't know, he's exactly like you're saying, he's so charismatic

569
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 7: that even if you were getting annoyed with him, you

570
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 7: would want to have him around. And maybe that doesn't

571
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 7: necessarily ring true later in the movie, right, I mean.

572
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 5: He ends up shooting Bertie because he gets dissed by him,

573
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 5: And to me, it's just that sort of character that

574
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,719
Speaker 5: character wouldn't wouldn't that get under his skin as much

575
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 5: as he did, It just didn't ring true to me

576
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 5: for some reason.

577
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe I actually think, yeah, I'd pushed

578
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 3: back a little bit because I think for him to

579
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 3: be somewhat believable that he's running with Bertie's crew, he

580
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: does have to be just enough where he's like, he

581
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: says funny things that people laugh at, you know, whatever,

582
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: because he's funny, but.

583
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: Also they laugh at him too.

584
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: There is that sort of fine line that he you know,

585
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: I I know, we don't see a whole lot of

586
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 3: it where they're maybe laughing with him, it is more

587
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 3: laughing at him. But I think I don't know, it's

588
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: sort of believable that it's like, eh, whatever, guys has

589
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 3: some funny lines, and he's like he's there, he's a

590
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 3: part of the He's just there in the background. And

591
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: then he can get annoying and we push him down

592
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: the stairs, you know, get the hell out of here.

593
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 5: Yeah.

594
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about Tupac. I mean his performance in

595
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 3: this What do you think of him? Jad and what

596
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 3: we saw from him as Bertie.

597
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 5: I thought he was great. I kind of had problems

598
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 5: with the Birdie character simply because I wanted to know

599
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: more about him, you know what I mean, he seemed

600
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 5: especially the scene at the graveyard where I kind of

601
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 5: felt bad for him because he was the one that

602
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 5: was abandoned, right, and he was the one that stepped

603
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 5: up and got hit him and his mom out of

604
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 5: poverty by selling drugs. So I don't know, I mean,

605
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 5: the way he got there was not great. But what

606
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 5: choice do you have when you were in that situation? Right?

607
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 5: You live in Harlem and you're African American and you

608
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 5: basically have three options. Become a rapper, become a sports legend,

609
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 5: or become a drug dealer, and option see is the

610
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 5: way you go, right?

611
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: I mean, were you shocked to find out they were brothers, Like,

612
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: did that surprise you early having watched it for the

613
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: first time.

614
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 6: Yes, he did, Yes, Yeah, yeah, for sure. I didn't

615
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 6: sort of make that connection immediately. It wasn't sort of

616
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 6: until later on when I did, and even afterwards I

617
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 6: sort of read through to check that that's what was

618
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 6: happening there. But I thought, Tupac, you know, I mean, look,

619
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 6: I'll be honest, I was waiting for this movie just

620
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 6: to end because I knew, you know, I just wanted

621
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 6: to see exactly what the game winning play was going

622
00:28:59,040 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 6: to be.

623
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: This guy was totally here from them to basketball.

624
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 6: I thought Tupac as an actor did play that role

625
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 6: very very well. Yeah, he was convincingly. Yeah. And and

626
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 6: I thought, you know, it was kind of the way

627
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 6: that he lived his life too, I think, wasn't it.

628
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 6: He liked to sort of be a bit of a

629
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 6: gangster and get himself.

630
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 4: You know, he was out of jail around this time

631
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 4: of filming.

632
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 6: Fact, Yeah, correctly. Yeah, And and I mean, obviously the

633
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 6: ultimate ending for him was kind of basically what happened

634
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 6: to him in real life as well. So I think

635
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 6: he you know, it wasn't a huge shift away from

636
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 6: the type of life that he led for the character

637
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 6: that he was in this film.

638
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 7: That graveyard scene is so great, though, just to see

639
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 7: the turn from him being, you know, just a charismatic,

640
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 7: fun loving guy. He's talking to his brother, he's trying

641
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 7: to recruit him, and when he says no, instantly he's

642
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 7: in a menacing violence. But yeah, it doesn't really feel different.

643
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 7: When you're looking at him, You're like, Wow, that's that's

644
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 7: exactly like you're saying, that must be what it had

645
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 7: been like to be around Tupac.

646
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: And really, at some.

647
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: Points, the one thing I will say, as formulaic as

648
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: this movie can be, being a sports basketball type movie

649
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: and hitting those beats, one thing that's different I thought

650
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: is Bertie saying the opposite of what you usually hear

651
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: in movies like hey, he's my brother, man, he's my brother.

652
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: I hate on Buddy's family, And it actually takes the

653
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: opposite stance in this like where Bertie is like, no,

654
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: forget that, I don't care if he is my blood brother.

655
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: He abandoned us, like you were saying there, JD. Like,

656
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: I thought that was a little interesting because I don't

657
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: feel like you get that vibe from a lot of

658
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: movies between that relationship between brothers, right.

659
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 5: For sure, And that's sort of something that I kind

660
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: of wish they explored a little more because here's this guy, Bertie.

661
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 5: He's been abandoned by his big brother, left alone with

662
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 5: his mom. He had to pull her out of poverty,

663
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: and then the big brother returns and he's happy. He

664
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 5: wants to reconnect with his brother, and his brother wants

665
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 5: nothing to do with him. He's ashamed of what he's become,

666
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 5: this massive drug dealer, and that's heartbreaking. And I guess

667
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 5: they sort of I mean, that's the eighth theme of

668
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 5: the movie that runs through it. But I don't know,

669
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 5: I just wanted more between the two brothers, you know.

670
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because like the protagonist in this movie is

671
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: Dwayne Martin, I mean, sorry Kyle, and like, you know,

672
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: he's the story that we're supposed to be super invested in, right,

673
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: But I'm with you. It's like, give me more Birdie,

674
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 3: give me more Shep because they're almost like these secondary

675
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: characters in this film, but they're way more interesting really

676
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: than Kyle's story.

677
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 5: For sure.

678
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you there.

679
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: What did let's talk about the the scenes with no

680
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: basketball where Shep is playing ghost hoops as we can

681
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 3: call it. Yo, he's playing without a ball, as someone says,

682
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: I thought those scenes Tass as a kid were hilarious.

683
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: I remember, like, I thought they were funny, and then

684
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: watching it last night, they hit a little different. They're

685
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: still obviously they're still pretty silly. I mean, it is

686
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: still funny to watch a guy play basketball without a

687
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: basketball and against nobody. But you know, there's a different

688
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: emotion to them as an I don't then there was

689
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: as a fourteen year old. Did you have the same experience.

690
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: I just thought of it as an advanced basketball technique.

691
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: I think Shep.

692
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: Was was light years ahead, Like he's Joe lacub of

693
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: the of the Warriors, the no ball technique. It's all

694
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: it's all footwork, baby.

695
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 3: Coach Carter loved it.

696
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, they play without a ball, right, I mean,

697
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: it's it's just about the footwork.

698
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: Is it?

699
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: Is it crazy? Is it absolutely nuts to think that

700
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: that happens on a basketball floor at times in practice

701
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: like let's not let's get this down before we get

702
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: the dribbling down. I mean probably not ever, but I

703
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: mean a tiny bet it doesn't. It didn't. I mean,

704
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't funny. It wasn't really moving in any way,

705
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: because you know, it was really tough to get attached

706
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: to the Hey, my buddy just killed himself on a

707
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: five story building. I just wasn't really connecting me there.

708
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: I didn't mind it. I I think he's light years ahead.

709
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: I think I think that's all I could think about.

710
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: It was like, that's all right, that's all right. As

711
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: a basketball technique.

712
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, we give Lebron James a whole bunch of credit

713
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 7: for being able to recall plays here and there. You know,

714
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 7: he'll break down the coverages. But shep was out there

715
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 7: recreating an entire basketball game every single night, moved from

716
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 7: moved without the ball.

717
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: Pretty impressive.

718
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean he was supposed to be playing nutso right,

719
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 5: I mean.

720
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's yeah, he's playing a ghost yea, yeah.

721
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey, and they did there was no ball in

722
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 5: air bud as well, right, what did they didn't the

723
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 5: coach have a no ball practice?

724
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right, Yeah, there's a lot of that going on.

725
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's still uh.

726
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: I just for sure remember thinking it was hilarious as.

727
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 3: A kid, like this is looking like you're laughing at

728
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: him one hundred percent one hundred percent, and you know,

729
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: now it's it's in different context. I'm picking up more

730
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: on like why he's doing that. He's like playing this

731
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: this this demon within him or this slee this tragic

732
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 3: experience he's reliving over and over and over again. I

733
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: mean that's pretty depressing now, yeah, and and sort of

734
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: powerful in a weird way as funny as it looks.

735
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: So it does, just I'm just pointing out that it's

736
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: a lot different as a fourteen year old than a

737
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: nearly forty year old chef playing ghostball.

738
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: I will say we only had to see it once.

739
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: We didn't need to go back to it all.

740
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of weeks got the deal.

741
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: Because it is a little it's it's just not entertaining.

742
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: But I would say it looks okay because his footwork

743
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: is pretty good, because he's a basketball player and he

744
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: is actually out there practicing Moose. He looked a little

745
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: like like Bernard King told us on the starters to

746
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: use that heel spin get into the lane. I don't want,

747
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't mind watching a little footwork. Listen, if the

748
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: basketball isn't going to be incredible. The sequences aren't going

749
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: to be incredible. Give me some footwork. Hey, it's maybe

750
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: it's just this time of the coronavirus time where I'll

751
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: take any basketball I can get.

752
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: Jad you said you wanted more to the story, probably

753
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: of Shep and Bertie and as brothers and all that.

754
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: But with what we got in this movie were you

755
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 3: were you attached to Shep at all or was his

756
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: character like you just weren't feeling that much that. I

757
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: struggled always with that of wanting to root for him

758
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: and then also sometimes maybe not caring all that much.

759
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 5: Well, he's a hard guy to root for. I mean,

760
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 5: he's got a stone face most of the time. The

761
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 5: first time we see him come to life is when

762
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 5: he goes on the date with Malika.

763
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: Is Alika I believe?

764
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 5: So yeah, and you know we see a little bit

765
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 5: of his personality, but yeah, I mean the whole the

766
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 5: whole ghost the no ball basketball. He gets made fun

767
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 5: of from a car, you know, not to his face

768
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 5: or anything from Kyle and the rest of them, but

769
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 5: it's never really explored anymore. Like, like, Kyle's got a

770
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 5: big problem with Shep dating his mother, but he he

771
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 5: never says to her like, hey man, this guy's crazy.

772
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 5: He plays basketball with no ball by himself that night

773
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 5: in a park like this is they could have used

774
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 5: it a little more. Maybe maybe that scene just got

775
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 5: cut out, or it scenes like that got cut out,

776
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 5: or he was never confronted about it and we never

777
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 5: found out more about it. So yeah, it was hard

778
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 5: to hard to really root for the guy. Although on

779
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 5: my first viewing, I guess I was. I was glad

780
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 5: he showed up in his chords.

781
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 4: At the yeah, yeah, yeah, at the end.

782
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 3: But it was that part, why what like what flipped

783
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: in his head to go back to go save the team?

784
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: That's the part that I couldn't figure out, Like what

785
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: he like pulls up, he's in like a he's in

786
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: a taxi right or something, and he just sees kids

787
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: playing and that is what triggers him going like oh,

788
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 3: I gotta go and sort of help the team out,

789
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? That part was weak. It

790
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 3: was like, what was the reason, why are you actually

791
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 3: you're about to flee, You've handed in your keys, you've

792
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 3: left this note for coach, you're not going to take over,

793
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: and and you're gone. We're told you're gone you're packing

794
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 3: up and then you make this sort of last minute decision,

795
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: And I couldn't figure out it appeared just to be

796
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: him watching kids play basketball.

797
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: Maybe he realized, oh, I'm not in a taxi. Actually

798
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: I got to get out of this car. Might as

799
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: well go help my friends because they didn't get the

800
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: rights to using New York taxis. I guess because there's

801
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: just a car with a painted phone.

802
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 5: Number cab right like the original Luber Yeah, I'm with you, skeets.

803
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: I guess it was.

804
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: A combination of things. He was told, hey, get your

805
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: ish right, I think by coach He while he's in

806
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: the cab, he sees two boys slap in the basketball.

807
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: I guess that's the director was telling us, Hey, we're

808
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: seeing the kids slap the basketball or slap the backboard

809
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: over and over again. That's that's the signal. I guess.

810
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

811
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 5: I mean another thing about the movie is that they

812
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 5: all of a sudden put this responsibility of Shep has

813
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 5: to save Kyle. Right, all of a sudden, it seems like,

814
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: why is it suddenly his responsibility to look after and

815
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 5: protect this kid. I mean, that was the most discordant

816
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 5: thing for me watching the movie. The first time. I

817
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 5: mean I sort of got hints the second time through,

818
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 5: you know, like there's definitely I mean, Bug and Kyle

819
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 5: are Flip and Shep right like that first scene when

820
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 5: we see Flip and he's he plays Kyle one on one,

821
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 5: and then the four of them are together, and it's

822
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 5: just like, from Sheep's point of view, it's like, well,

823
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 5: this is your future, guys, you know, Bug and can't

824
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 5: keep track of these names and Kyle, so he takes

825
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 5: on the responsibility or people are telling him that he

826
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 5: needs to take on the responsibility.

827
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, coach.

828
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, but why though, I mean because he's dating his mom.

829
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 5: I mean not really, he's just has he taken a

830
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 5: job as the coach. I mean he says, yeah, I'll

831
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 5: take the job, but then he never does the job

832
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 5: of being the coach. It's just he's a security guard

833
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 5: at a high school. Like why does he other than

834
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 5: it hit the parallel of his life, you know, like

835
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 5: he was a star, something bad happened to him, Yeah,

836
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 5: and then he walked away. I mean, Kyle is getting

837
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 5: lured into Birdie's world and we got to stop that.

838
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 5: But it's all up to Shep for whatever reason, you know,

839
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 5: and then.

840
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 7: Well, because it's a basketball movie, the only person who

841
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 7: can reach the new kids is somebody who won twenty

842
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 7: years ago.

843
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 2: You gotta bring them back. They've got the expertise.

844
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally it was disjointed in my brain too.

845
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 1: I think my brain just mutated his story to be

846
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: Shep lost his way because he was a selfish star

847
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: and his day too, rather than watching somebody kill himself.

848
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: So their stories were absolutely exactly the same, sort of

849
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: like in the way back to some degree he was

850
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 1: trying Ben Affleck was trying to guide the star of

851
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 1: the team to Yeah, it's just it's just a basketball movie,

852
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: but that's what But yeah, if their stories were.

853
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 4: Learn from my mistakes, don't do what I did, right,

854
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 4: I mean, you are me.

855
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: Don't play on a rooftop.

856
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, stay on the ground. The movie is called

857
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: Above the Rim, but stay on the ground.

858
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 6: Yeah.

859
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: I do like that.

860
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: I do like the fact that it's called above the

861
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: Room and it really has nothing to do with the

862
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 1: story other than just being a basketball movie. They weren't

863
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: trying to shove that down our throat, right, yeah does no?

864
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: No one says above the rim in the movie, right,

865
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: We can't drop the Leonardo DiCaprio meme and point out

866
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: the screen. Yeah, I don't think they do. Because Nora asked,

867
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: why is it called that? And I was like, I'm

868
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: sure somebody says it.

869
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 5: It's because it's because that's hit is hitting above the rim?

870
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, right right?

871
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 5: But yeah, why why else? Who can? I don't know.

872
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 5: It sounds cool, It does sounds cool?

873
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 4: Does sound cool?

874
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: What did you think of how quickly Shep and Kyle's

875
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 3: mom's relationship moved? And how good is that Wilson's Bakery

876
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 3: and restaurant?

877
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 5: Oh?

878
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it must be amazing. I mean, Shep

879
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 3: goes every day, we're told, so it's gotta be good eating.

880
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: And even Kyle's mom was going back to back, you know,

881
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: for two stops in a row there.

882
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 6: How old? How old do we think Shep is if

883
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 6: he's dating Kyle's mom? I mean, because Kyle and Shepp

884
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 6: don't seem to be too far apart.

885
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: I think he's thirty three and he was all sety

886
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine. The movie's nineteen ninety four. That's

887
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: fifteen years. You graduate when you're eighteen. Kadad's up.

888
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 4: It's funny. You say that, Lee, I did see that.

889
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 3: Kyle's mom. Tanya Pinkins plays Kyle's mom. She's actually only

890
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 3: three years older than Dwayne Martin, who's in real life.

891
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 4: How weird is that one?

892
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: Wow?

893
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Crazyzy, I'm worth you tho, I do.

894
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 6: Well, that's it. She doesn't look like the typical mom

895
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 6: in a movie. You know, she looks she looks relatively young,

896
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 6: and yeah, that's why even even just that relationship for

897
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 6: me was a little bit sort of weird because it

898
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 6: was like, I don't know why he's dating her mom.

899
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 6: I think, you know, I mean, it just seems like

900
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 6: she's a little bit old for him, and you know,

901
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 6: he's a young, athletic, pretty handsome looking dude. I think

902
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 6: he could have.

903
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 4: You know, when the chef's older in the movie than

904
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 4: you're than, you're thinking.

905
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe he's just got maybe he looks great.

906
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 6: Yeah that's it. Maybe that's what it is. But it

907
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 6: just seemed like an odd, sort of odd storyline to

908
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 6: add in there that they were in a relationship like that.

909
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 6: I thought.

910
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: But well, yeah, they're driving home. He's the father figure,

911
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: right or he needs to be. Yeah, a further figure

912
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 3: for Kyle.

913
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 7: I guess, yeah, literally, I do love that scene when

914
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 7: they're coming out of the movie theater and you can

915
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 7: tell that, you know, shep Is just has a way

916
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 7: with words to win women over.

917
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: He just says to.

918
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 7: Kyle's mom, you ever dream about running away? You never

919
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 7: dream about running away, not even a little, not just

920
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 7: your mind. Not even now that I'm asking you about

921
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 7: running away.

922
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: You're not thinking about it. Not when you were a kid,

923
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: and kids run away, none of that. Okay, let's just

924
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: keep walking.

925
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 5: Because I always run away. That's my thing. Running away

926
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 5: is my thing.

927
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 2: So he's like, you don't think about it, because I'm

928
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it. I can't stop thinking about it.

929
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's only I think there's only two times in

930
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 3: the movie that Shep smiles, right. The one is when

931
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: he's with Kyle's mom, and then right at the end

932
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: of the movie, when Kyle hits the shot for Georgetown,

933
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: he uh, there's a tiny little smile comes across his face.

934
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: Otherwise he is stone cold.

935
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, in this movie, there is he is.

936
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: There's no highs or lows. He is pretty even keeled

937
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 3: for the most part.

938
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 5: But hey, he's a torture guy and that's fine, I guess,

939
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 5: but yeah, as you're getting back to rooting for him,

940
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 5: it's hard to root for the guy. There's this weird

941
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,959
Speaker 5: uh bit speaking of him dating Kyle's mother when Kyle

942
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,479
Speaker 5: when we meet her for the first time, Kyle comes

943
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 5: down and he kisses her on the back of the

944
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 5: head or whatever, and she says, excuse me, you think

945
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 5: you can just kiss me whenever you feel like it.

946
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 5: She says that exact same line to Chef when he

947
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 5: shows up at the.

948
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: End for a date.

949
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 5: Is so, is that what we're Is this the rivalry

950
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 5: that we're supposed to feel between Kyle and and Shep Like.

951
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think yeah, it's he's protective of his mother

952
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: and like that's our thing, right, that's our little banter

953
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: or whatever. And then here comes this guy who I've

954
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 3: been told from Birdie, who is his actual brother, that

955
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: he's a weirdo. Don't trust him, you know, blah blah

956
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 3: blah blah. So yeah, I mean I think he's It

957
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: just helps uh fire up the distrust that he would

958
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: maybe have for Shep.

959
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, yeah, no, I I get that. I guess.

960
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 5: I think it's weird that a mother would say you

961
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 5: think you can kiss me whenever you feel like it.

962
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 5: There's no mother that whatever's to their.

963
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 6: Not ever, not to not to this, especially not to

964
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 6: this son, the teenage son who's kind of trying to

965
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 6: distance himself a little bit from his parents. Like any

966
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 6: sort of affection the mom's going to take. In a second.

967
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'll push back on that. I think it's

968
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: Kyle being a little cheeky, right, Maybe he's gotten up

969
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: to some.

970
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: Things he shouldn't.

971
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: Maybe he's running late, maybe hasn't done his homework, hasn't

972
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 3: done the dishes, And instead I'll just be this like cute,

973
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: little affectionate son and that'll, you know, put me back

974
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 3: into good grace as a mom.

975
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 5: And she's like sort of clearing that's a fair point.

976
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I think also though, I think that would

977
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 6: work there one hundred times out of one hundred, you know,

978
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 6: you see, just want the affection from their boys.

979
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: So we uh what, So we like with this whole

980
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: Kyle Shep thing. He's at the game, Kyle is distracted

981
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: by his mom in the stands chilling with chef and

982
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 3: who had taken off her jacket, if I remember correctly,

983
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: A get a little hot in the gym. There's a

984
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: lot of people packed in a very small gym. I'm

985
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: sure it was very warm. But he's all distracted. He

986
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: loses his temper, he gets tossed, he kicks over the

987
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: gatorade jug. There's no gatorade in it, which is uh

988
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 3: I think having an effect on him. I think this

989
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 3: team needs some electrolytes.

990
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why you can't make decisions at them to

991
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 7: have every every game, he just melts down because he

992
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 7: doesn't have the triglycerides or whatever.

993
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 5: You know how hard that would be if he was

994
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 5: spilling gatorade every every take that they did, it would

995
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 5: be such.

996
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: A pain in the ass clean totally Why they did that,

997
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 3: I thought the same thing. They're like, no, just don't

998
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 3: put gatorade in it. You know how many times we

999
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: have to clean this up and do this again, Like,

1000
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 3: forget it.

1001
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 5: Just don't let me get all these people here.

1002
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 3: Also, think about how sweaty they were playing in Teen

1003
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 3: Wolf compared to this movie, where they're playing way faster.

1004
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 3: It's up and down basketball and they're you know, they're

1005
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 3: they're sweating a little bit. They're all playing in undershirts

1006
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: in like ninety degree weather. Outside on the black top.

1007
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: They're not sweating that much. Again, I'm going back to

1008
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 3: Teen Wolf. They just they went way too heavy with

1009
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: the mister when they.

1010
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 4: Were on these guys.

1011
00:46:53,880 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: No one sweats that much. Okay, Yeah, I know a

1012
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 3: chubby guy in this movie.

1013
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 6: Ah yeah, that's what separates it from all the other basketball. Listen,

1014
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 6: I were playing in summer in an una conditioned gym

1015
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 6: in Team Wolf. Sorry, that's why everyone was so sweaty.

1016
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 4: I think, Well maybe so.

1017
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 3: The Uptown Tournament shootout. Let's go to that love this

1018
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: when I was a kid, still loved it. I don't care.

1019
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 4: It's there's some continuity issues.

1020
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 3: The basketball is hilarious, but it's uh, we're getting a

1021
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 3: lot of alley oops thrown. The net must be well,

1022
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: don't we think the net was put at nine feet?

1023
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe even yeah high, let's say eight and a

1024
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 3: half nine. There's no way it's ten. These guys are

1025
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 3: throwing down. I know they got some ballers to play,

1026
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 3: so it's not like there's people out there that couldn't dounk.

1027
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 3: But they're doing some crazy stuff. So my guess is nine.

1028
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go with that.

1029
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 4: But I have a couple questions from the tournament.

1030
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: One who decided it was a smart idea to put

1031
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 3: the two teams that both wear red on the same

1032
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 3: side of the bracket. Okay, that was a weird decision.

1033
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 3: Was it mandatory to play with a shirt under your jersey?

1034
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: Because it appears so I know it's a very mesh jersey,

1035
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: but so you could see the nips and everything through it.

1036
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: But I mean, I thought like I was one of

1037
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 3: the only people left in the nineties wearing an undershirt

1038
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: under my jersey because I was a scrawny little kid. So,

1039
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: but even these guys are doing it. Why didn't they

1040
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 3: stop the tournament to fix the bent rims at one

1041
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: point because those things were sagging quite a bit as

1042
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: the dunking went on. And my final question, how the

1043
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 3: hell did Ikea get to be a sponsor of this tournament?

1044
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 7: I don't know what this.

1045
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 3: Sponsor of the Uptown Shootout? I could believe it. Yeah, yeah,

1046
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 3: well that makes out sense. But Ikea, man, I wonder

1047
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: if they were serving up Swedish meatballs at halftime. Bertie

1048
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: is just chopping down using his little razor blade to

1049
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 3: cut him up. Well, did you think of overall the

1050
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: tournament shootout though all of the games and how it

1051
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 3: was edited in packaged to get to the final did it?

1052
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,720
Speaker 3: Was it believable enough to everyone?

1053
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 6: Well, there was a lot of dunking. There was a

1054
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 6: lot of dunking and then trash talking, And I mean,

1055
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 6: I don't know what the point of the referee is

1056
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 6: at that point because everyone was just shoving each other,

1057
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 6: whacking each other, and the refs. The refs just sort

1058
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 6: of shrugged their shoulders and just adds a man's game

1059
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 6: or whatever they're are.

1060
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: Brody was paying them, that's for sure.

1061
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1062
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, But you know again, I thought it looked to

1063
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 6: me like a couple of the shots were the same

1064
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 6: shot we've seen earlier, just from a different angle. And

1065
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 6: I'm like, if you're shooting a basketball movie, just have

1066
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 6: twenty five or thirty different shots in the can and

1067
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 6: use those. Don't don't reuse the same shot because you

1068
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 6: can sort of see it. But you know, again, like

1069
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 6: at least we saw some athletic looking players who look

1070
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 6: like they played basketball going up with some dunks and stuff.

1071
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's a big Wayne dude on Kyle's time.

1072
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1073
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 6: Everyone everyone got was thrown down these crazy dunks and

1074
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 6: the white guy had a lay up and then like

1075
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 6: a mid ranger.

1076
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: Really, I mean I did like the story of Birdman

1077
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 3: threatening Kyle right to throw the game, and like Kyle

1078
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: has this sort of decision.

1079
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: To make I'm the Birdman. I like, how you Birdman?

1080
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 4: I don't know why.

1081
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: I always like you mentioned there he tells him, Hey,

1082
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: I just found out you're going to Georgetown. Bertie always

1083
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: got the news first. He was the early bird that

1084
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: informission was just passed from coach to Kyle and somehow,

1085
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I heard about this, even even to his

1086
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: brother when he found him on the court at night

1087
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: and Shep had just passed that note and stared at

1088
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: it longingly to the to the coach on the coach's

1089
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: desk there. How would he know how he came up

1090
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: to him at that night and he said, heard you're

1091
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: leaving town. I mean, does he have a camera in

1092
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: the coach's office.

1093
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 4: Man, He's on the streets. Bertie's everywhere, man, Yeah, exactly.

1094
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 3: I think I actually hated that the the part where

1095
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: he gets the letter to George down that was so

1096
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 3: slipped into this movie. It's like, well, what was the

1097
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 3: reason for that liked the scout has seen you lose

1098
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: your temper mis game winning jumpers, you know, maybe start

1099
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: hanging out with some shady characters.

1100
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 5: And like thrown out of the game. He's at, yeah,

1101
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 5: there's no consequences for any of that base.

1102
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 4: Zero zero consequences.

1103
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 3: You know, Hell, you're pissing on the street kid, Come on, man, Like, yeah,

1104
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, you're going to Georgetown.

1105
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 4: It's great.

1106
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 3: You want to root for him, and then maybe that's

1107
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: inspiring him in this game against Bertie. But yeah, that

1108
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 3: part was there was no reason, no like even a

1109
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 3: call from Shep d coach to Georgetown to talk to Thompson.

1110
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: Coach Thompson, but nope, you're good, you're going. You're talented enough.

1111
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 7: Well, Alan Iverson was at Georgetown right at this time,

1112
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 7: and he had a troubled past in high school as well,

1113
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 7: So I mean it's very weird that the coach would

1114
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 7: just like throw the recruiting letter into his bag to

1115
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 7: bring to the biggest tournament of the summer. But you know,

1116
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 7: getting to Georgetown despite the fact that you know, he

1117
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 7: had the temper at the game and was kicking over

1118
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 7: the empty jugs at least at least it makes sense

1119
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 7: that it could happen.

1120
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I mean especially I know you're a Michigan boy, TK,

1121
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 3: but pack in the nineties, I mean Georgetown mainly because

1122
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 3: of Irison and coach Thompson, and they were cool as hell, right,

1123
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: I mean, that was definitely definitely one of the coolest

1124
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 3: schools to root for, to wear their gear and for

1125
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 3: a lot of guys.

1126
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 4: To go and play for.

1127
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: Tom are you rocking at Georgetown jersey with an undershirt

1128
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: underneath it?

1129
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 3: No? No, no, no, yeah what The starter's jackets were

1130
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 3: huge up in Canada for sure, Like they were everywhere.

1131
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 3: There were a lot of Georgetown, a lot of Michigan's.

1132
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 3: I didn't have one, though. That stuff was not cheap. No,

1133
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: I didn't have a wasn't even the big biggest college

1134
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 3: basketball fan, even when you know Fab five era in

1135
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 3: Iverson era and all that.

1136
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 4: Nope, didn't have it. Task did you have it?

1137
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: I did have a Georgetown jersey? Oh yeah, that was

1138
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: the only college thing I owned. Really.

1139
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 4: See, there you go, that's how popular it was.

1140
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: It was. Yeah.

1141
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 3: I love Kyle's Steele that he does the old Charles

1142
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 3: Barkley move in this game Ley where he sort of.

1143
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 3: He like looks like he's going back on defense, turns

1144
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 3: right around, gets a steal.

1145
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 6: And lady, oh yeah, love that. Well he does it

1146
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 6: like he does that like two out of three plays,

1147
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 6: really doesn't. He like just quickly turns around and lays

1148
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 6: it up. And that's what I'm talking about. I mean, like,

1149
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 6: just mix it up at a little you see that. Actually,

1150
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 6: we saw that Barkley do that against the Bulls in

1151
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 6: game game five in the Last Dance the other day,

1152
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 6: So yeah, great timing for that, Yeah, exactly.

1153
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: Speaking of Last Dance timing, Tupac had an unlit cigar

1154
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: in his mouth the entire tournament, biting on that and.

1155
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 6: He didn't even he didn't even take it out of

1156
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 6: the plastic wrapper at the start.

1157
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first scene, that's what I was gonna bring up. Yeah,

1158
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: the first scene of the movie. He's got it in

1159
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: a plastic wrapper in his mouth, and who the heck

1160
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: would do that? But then I came around it by

1161
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: the end of the movie and I saw him basically

1162
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: what I don't know, five six, seven games he had

1163
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,479
Speaker 1: it in his mouth without the plastic wrapper. Nobody wants

1164
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: a soggy cigar butt and that's I think that's what

1165
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: he's getting at there. The plastic wrap I think was

1166
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: before it's time, even though it would have felt disgusting.

1167
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: M I don't know, I would, I don't mind. And

1168
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: when I guess you couldn't, I guess they decided we're

1169
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: not gonna have any cigar smoking, like we're like, we're

1170
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: the last dance here, but well, I have an unlit

1171
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: cigar in there for eight games.

1172
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: Ross he Uh So they're getting punked in the final

1173
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 3: here the what are they called the Bombers right, mm hmm.

1174
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: They're getting punked by by Bertie's team, like literally, like

1175
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: guys are dropping like flies, just getting.

1176
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 4: Punched in the face.

1177
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: Like Lee said, And yeah, you have to assume I'm

1178
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: with your task that Birdie has paid off these refs.

1179
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: I think, just to like let him play physical, let

1180
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 3: him go crazy. I know it's street ball, so it's

1181
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 3: a it's gonna be more physical already than playing in

1182
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 3: a gym and stuff like that. But wow, they were

1183
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 3: like straight up l guys in the head.

1184
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 6: Well yeah, I mean, if he paid off the refs, though,

1185
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 6: you see shep knee an opponent right in the nuts,

1186
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 6: right in front of the refs, and the ref just

1187
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 6: sort of shrugs his shoulders. So I mean, if he's

1188
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 6: bribed him, then sure he would have been calling that.

1189
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe at that point, even the officials like, come on, man,

1190
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 3: you can't complaining about that.

1191
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, you slip me one hundred dollars.

1192
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 3: I know you want to go to Vegas or the Bahamas,

1193
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 3: which there must be quite the prize money on this,

1194
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 3: or I guess he's got some bets probably going on

1195
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: the side. But yeah, I guess even the officials like,

1196
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 3: come on, are you serious, Like you've just been knocking

1197
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 3: guys in the head left and right. So a little

1198
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: nut shy memory in the Nutso though, yeah, I want.

1199
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 6: To know what the refs are going to call though,

1200
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 6: because you know, like you say, people are people are

1201
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 6: elbowing each other in the face and they're not really

1202
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 6: calling anything. So if you're going to have refs, you've

1203
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 6: got to call something.

1204
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, they're just making sure you don't step on the

1205
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 7: three point line.

1206
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: That's it. Yea.

1207
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 3: So shep shows up and you know, smart, think of

1208
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: my coach. I will say this, and I didn't notice

1209
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: this the first eight times I watched it as a kid,

1210
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 3: that coach early in the movie says, well, I'm gonna

1211
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 3: put you on the roster. I'm just gonna play it

1212
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 3: safe and put you on the roster.

1213
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 4: Shep. I know it's unlike you. You're gonna play.

1214
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: You don't want to do anything anymore, and you only

1215
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 3: like playing without a basketball. But I'm gonna throw your

1216
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 3: name down there. And hey, it turned out smart movies

1217
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 3: right there. It's right there because Bertie's going crazy and

1218
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: he plays in his corduroys. He plays in his long

1219
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: sleeve you know, white shirt, got the penny over top,

1220
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 3: and I think he goes does he go fourteen for

1221
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 3: fourteen or fifteen for fifteen?

1222
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 4: In the second half, he doesn't miss a shot.

1223
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, getting a lot along too. You know, he's really

1224
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 7: opening up inside. He's hitting the perimeter jumpers. Then finally

1225
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 7: comes in and hits a few little finger roll layups.

1226
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,240
Speaker 7: He's probably the same shot, but just from a slightly

1227
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 7: different angle. A very Kobe like game. I thought the

1228
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 7: way he was operating out there.

1229
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, an assassin is smooth, great footwork, like you said,

1230
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 3: looked like he was you know, he shot with his

1231
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 3: right hand, but had a pretty nice looking left hand.

1232
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 4: Layup.

1233
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 3: I thought it was very very smooth looking and brings

1234
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 3: them back and instead of hitting the game winning shot,

1235
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: throws a game winning alley oop assist. And you already

1236
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 3: talked about that lead and think there was a lot

1237
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 3: of time left for that to unfold.

1238
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 6: There wasn't the I mean, I'm pretty sure there was

1239
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 6: three seconds ago, and the other guy still had the

1240
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 6: ball in there in the you know, their defensive half court.

1241
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 6: He gets the steal, and then Kyle makes it somehow

1242
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 6: down the other end get to get up there to

1243
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 6: rise up, catch it and dunk it in that time,

1244
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 6: and I just don't think there was enough time.

1245
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: So I thought, I thought, weren't they up a point?

1246
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: Weren't they already up and the other team was shooting

1247
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: for the game winner and then the steal that was

1248
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: just icing on the cake.

1249
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 3: I think so, because isn't Birdie saying like basically, just

1250
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 3: hold it, like aren't they sort of like saying, we've

1251
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: got really.

1252
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: Now that I say that I hold it?

1253
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1254
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, that no, I think I think that's what he

1255
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 6: was saying. He was just saying, yeah, kick the bowl,

1256
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 6: kick possession.

1257
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: But that's not that's not the Birdman's Aura just on

1258
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:07,919
Speaker 1: the ball. At the end of the game.

1259
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: I mean, timing of this movie at the end is crazy,

1260
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: how quickly things happen. Because we get the Shep going off,

1261
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 3: we get the montage that's fun. Okay, they win, and

1262
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 3: then it's like Birdie tells his uh, what's just the

1263
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: guy's name from the wire in the Mota motaw No,

1264
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 3: thank you. He tells Motow you know, you gotta do

1265
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 3: what you gotta do, goes and gets the gun. And

1266
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 3: I will say, at first, I was like, why is

1267
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 3: he going to shoot Kyle? Why wouldn't you go shoot Shep?

1268
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: But Kyle is the one that was supposed to throw

1269
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: the game, so that makes obviously makes sense. And Shep

1270
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 3: sees this unfolding even though there's always people on the

1271
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: floor or on the court, and uh, you know, takes

1272
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 3: a bullet for him, jumps in front of him. But

1273
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 3: then we are like, I mean, we're like, where does

1274
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 3: it cut to immediately after that? Does it cut to

1275
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 3: Georgetown immediately after that?

1276
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: Very soon after?

1277
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 7: For sure?

1278
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, because the cop the cop shoots Motor and then

1279
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 6: it's yeah, and then it's I'm pretty sure it's just

1280
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 6: that Georgetown s because.

1281
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 5: We go to the We go to the club, right

1282
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 5: because because two pikes.

1283
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, where Bug goes and

1284
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: takes out a park, right yeah yeah. But okay, so

1285
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 3: it goes. It goes shooting basketball hoops to shooting at Kyle,

1286
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: that Shep takes the bullet, the policeman take down Mota,

1287
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 3: It goes right to the club where Bug goes and

1288
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: gets you know, revenge on on Berdie, and then it

1289
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 3: goes right to the to the basketball scenes of Georgetown,

1290
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: which we then see they're watching on a television screen

1291
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 3: in a bar.

1292
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 6: Yeah right, because yeah, I mean I didn't I thought

1293
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 6: Shep was dead. I thought he was going to take

1294
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 6: the bullet for him. But apparently not that bad at all.

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00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 6: He wasn't too badly injured and he was fine, but yeah.

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Speaker 2: Don't shot.

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01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 5: Let's be fair, Yeah he did take a bullet for well.

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01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: Was what was funny was that he jumped in front

1299
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: with his back to wood Harrison Mota the shooter, and

1300
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: then he's lying on his back and his chest is bloody.

1301
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: So a bit of a continuity are unless that bullet

1302
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: went all the way through And if that ball went

1303
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: through his heart, then he gone Yeah.

1304
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 7: Must have just a perfect luggy shot, went straight through, touched,

1305
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 7: no internal organs, find to be at the bar within

1306
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 7: three months.

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01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 3: I will say when I was a kid, that Georgetown

1308
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 3: footage always blew my mind.

1309
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 4: I was like, how did they do that?

1310
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 3: How did Kyle actually go to Georgetown? This is incredible,

1311
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 3: Like it's uh, you know he's playing They're playing Seaton

1312
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: Hall right in the in the movie and he hits,

1313
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: comes around, gives up the ball, comes around the baseline

1314
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 3: and splashes the game winning three.

1315
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 4: I was always shocked.

1316
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 3: I mean, the footage looks cool, looks realistic, especially when

1317
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 3: it's spliced with like coach Thompson for Georgetown sidelin, like

1318
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 3: looks really believable.

1319
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was the nice and tie in of

1320
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: the same jumper that Shep taught him on the outside

1321
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: all through spread the fingers flicked the wrist just just

1322
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: like Shep showed in the tournament. And I did like

1323
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: how Shep in that tournament was just old man game.

1324
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: He had a left hand layup, but it was just jumpers.

1325
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: Shep's the old guy coming off playing in his chords,

1326
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: so not really going at it too hard, and.

1327
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 6: Did we'd recognize who was on the call for that

1328
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 6: jumper for Georgetown, Bill Raft, No, it was Joe Mis.

1329
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 6: Joe Myles was the play by play Bill raf Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1330
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 6: Bill Rafferty interviewed him off of the game. But it

1331
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 6: was Joe Mys and Joe Myles. I didn't realize this.

1332
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 6: The name of his daily show on serious satellite radio

1333
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 6: was called Above the Rim.

1334
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: And we know he loves dogs and he's calling the

1335
01:01:53,440 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 2: game for the Georgetown hoyos. We love it.

1336
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 3: Speaking of dogs, I did say the Above the Room

1337
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 3: soundtracks more than two million copies and top the R

1338
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 3: and B Albums chart for ten consecutive weeks, and a

1339
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 3: big part of that Lady Rage's Afropuffs and then Warren

1340
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 3: g and Nate Doggs regulate. So this thing, this the

1341
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 3: soundtrack was huge, and it was good throughout the movie.

1342
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 3: I can't believe we haven't brought up throughout an hour

1343
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 3: here of talking about Above the Rim. Bernie Mack's performance

1344
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 3: Rest in Peace. Bernie Mack. Oh, yes, Flip JD. What

1345
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 3: do you think of him cast as that type of character?

1346
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 5: I thought he was great. I mean, I love Bernie

1347
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 5: Mack and it was Yeah, it made me sad to

1348
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 5: watch him because he's gone too soon and he's a

1349
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 5: comic genius. And I thought he was great. He was great.

1350
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 5: Not a not a very well written character, I don't think,

1351
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 5: but he pulls it off. He needs one of those

1352
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 5: oscars for a bad dialogue.

1353
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 3: He's got the maybe one of the best lines in

1354
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 3: the movie too, when he's yelling they can't erase what

1355
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 3: we man?

1356
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is I mean?

1357
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 3: Now, after all of the great sort of past that

1358
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 3: we're in this movie, it even holds more way to

1359
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 3: that line. It's a great line, and I love how

1360
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 3: he's delivering that line. So, yeah, that's any more random

1361
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 3: observations here. Well before we get to grading this movie.

1362
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 5: Getting back to the music for a second, I agree

1363
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 5: with you. The soundtrack is awesome. The score is awful, Yeah,

1364
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 5: just awful. The first game, the training montages, the final tournament,

1365
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 5: the final game, they all have the same looping bedtrack.

1366
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 5: There's more thought put into highlight music on NBA TV

1367
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 5: like it's it's awful, like the same. This is the

1368
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 5: climax of the movie.

1369
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 3: You sound like the what was the name of the

1370
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 3: guys in The White Man Kids Jump.

1371
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 2: The Venice Beach Boys.

1372
01:03:58,800 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 3: Jd Are you in the Venice.

1373
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:05,919
Speaker 5: I wish it's it's it's just I mean, I don't

1374
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 5: know what. I don't know. If it's a budget thing,

1375
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 5: I don't know, if it's an unwillingness to score something

1376
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 5: like it. It could have been. I thought that the

1377
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 5: climax of the movie could have been way more dramatic.

1378
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 5: The basketball scenes could have been way more It's just

1379
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 5: weird to me that we get these awesome tracks while

1380
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 5: they're waiting in line at Wilson's right, but when when

1381
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 5: we go to play basketball, it's just, yeah, I don't know,

1382
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 5: I get, I can't. It just it really got under

1383
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 5: my skin.

1384
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: Or when we just you just mentioned Flip being killed,

1385
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: there was nothing underneath it. There was no dramatic, nothing

1386
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: like that. That scene was so unconvincing that Bertie was

1387
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: taking a razor blade to Flip. It felt a little

1388
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: like fresh Prince Ish you mentioned the director. It was

1389
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: just it was it was you put on your kiddy

1390
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: gloves for that little murder scene and Bertie punching him

1391
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: as well. Tupac great actor, but the punching was not Compelievablesoever.

1392
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is funny because this is like a rated

1393
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 3: R movie. I mean there's a lot of violence in it, obviously,

1394
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 3: you know, strong language, and it's yeah, there are parts

1395
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 3: where they sort of dial it back maybe some of

1396
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 3: the I don't know why. That's a weird decision, I guess. Okay,

1397
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 3: any other random observations.

1398
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 7: The razor blade scene with Tupac is awesome, Like that's

1399
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 7: maybe the coolest he is in this entire movie, but

1400
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 7: also just like so charming but also terrifying that he's

1401
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,439
Speaker 7: pulling a razor blade straight out of his mouth.

1402
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 3: I love that.

1403
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 7: I also love the line when they're when the Bombers

1404
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 7: are getting ready to play in the shootout Bombers Bombers

1405
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 7: Bombers Championship as long as you give me the rock.

1406
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 7: I heard that before like every Men's League game from

1407
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 7: two thousand to twenty ten. And the last thing I'd

1408
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 7: like to give a shout out to is the Demon's

1409
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 7: point guard Steve.

1410
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 3: They're like, ooh, behind the back by Steve.

1411
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 1: That was the guy going against Kyle.

1412
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess they had like a like a red

1413
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 7: uniform probably, and yeah, he was like he was lighting

1414
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 7: them up in the first half.

1415
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 4: Okay, right, I was not the high school guy in

1416
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 4: Green not the.

1417
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: High school guy Montros Montros. That guy was annoying. So

1418
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: when when Kyle got tossed out of that game and

1419
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: coach took the point guard duties away from him in

1420
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: the huddle, they go to inbound the ball and Kyle

1421
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: is inbounding the ball, and so Montrose says, to what happened?

1422
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: They take the point away from you? They take the point?

1423
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 5: What?

1424
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 1: How?

1425
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 3: What?

1426
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 7: Who?

1427
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: What?

1428
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 7: No?

1429
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 3: I would say that you brought up that one uh

1430
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 3: the one break there Trey in the tournament shootout. I

1431
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 3: liked early in the movie when the Panthers they're in

1432
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 3: playing high school Kyle's team, the huddle breaks with defense

1433
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 3: on three. Okay, the Panthers are on offense with a

1434
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,080
Speaker 3: tie game sixteen seconds to go. I thought that it

1435
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 3: was a strange decisions, Like I get it for you know,

1436
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 3: creatures a habit. You probably always say defense on three,

1437
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 3: defense wins championships. But you guys are on offense here

1438
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 3: you got the ball, like, maybe he's chance or break

1439
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 3: on something else out of the huddle. I laughed out loud.

1440
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 2: At that part.

1441
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 6: All right.

1442
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 2: The coaching all throughout is very funny.

1443
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 7: Also, that scene when Kyle gets the point taken away

1444
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 7: from the coach in the huddle he said.

1445
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 2: All he says is we all understand what we're doing.

1446
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 2: Go out and do it. Great plan, coach, No wonder.

1447
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 4: A guy doesn't want to coach anymore?

1448
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh man?

1449
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,120
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Speaker 3: this movie above the rim ninety four critics. They scored

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01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 3: this on Rotten Tomatoes fifty three percent MM very average.

1526
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 3: The audience score based off of thirty thousand plus user

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01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 3: ratings eighty three percent. Yeah.

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01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 4: Quite the discrepancy here between the critics and the audience.

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01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 3: This is a this is a very rat like situation

1530
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 3: here with the classic BMX movie in the eighties. That's

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01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 3: what we got here with this nineties basketball movie. But Lee,

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01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,560
Speaker 3: let's start with you, because you seem I don't know

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01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 3: the most down on this movie. I think you just

1534
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 3: hate movies in general, is what I've worried. What do

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01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 3: you think of above the room?

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01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 6: I think I do hate basketball movies.

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01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 4: I think you do.

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01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it wasn't fun watching it. I wasn't

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01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:32,600
Speaker 6: enjoying it.

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01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:33,560
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 6: It was pretty violent, pretty nasty couple of murders there

1542
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 6: at the end, which I didn't really enjoy all that much.

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01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 2: I thought.

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01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 6: I thought Tupac was good in his role, but it

1545
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 6: was also kind of a dick as the character in

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01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 6: this one. So I'm going to give this movie two

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01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 6: stars for Tupac.

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01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 4: Okay, two five two out of ten? What are you

1549
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 4: looking at?

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01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 6: You can make it up whatever you want too out

1551
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 6: of what it doesn't really matter.

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01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 3: I feel like you start watching a basketball movie like, huh,

1553
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 3: this is nothing like the nineteen eighty seven All Star Game.

1554
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 3: The only basketball like It ends with free throws Yeah,

1555
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,520
Speaker 3: style exactly, and it's got styles Stalinski.

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01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, man, all right, listen, listen, let's let's I

1557
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,839
Speaker 6: would love it if somehow someone could like virtually impose

1558
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 6: styles into the roles, into the role of boogloo and

1559
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 6: see if this movie would improve. I think it goes

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01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 6: through the roof.

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01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,000
Speaker 4: Are all right, task, Well, how do you want to

1562
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 4: grade this movie?

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01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 7: Man?

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01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 2: Ooh ooh, ooh ooh.

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01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 1: I am grading this based on unwrapped cigars, so plastic cigars.

1566
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking at five cigars here on that scale. I

1567
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: think I'm just I'm giving it two and a half

1568
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: out of five plastic cigar plastic wrap cigars. It's you know,

1569
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: I want to give it more, but the plot holes

1570
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:57,680
Speaker 1: are really bringing me down here.

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01:13:58,439 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 5: But I did enjoy it.

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01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: I did fall long and and and so halfway there

1573
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: is okay with me. I would I would throw it

1574
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: on again. It's one of those that are like, yeah,

1575
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: if you just accept it for what it is, cool

1576
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: with it, Trey.

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01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, It's a movie that certainly doesn't hold up to

1578
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 7: any sort of critical scrutiny, But I had so much

1579
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 7: fun watching it. I love every scene with Tupac or

1580
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 7: Bernie mac or Marlon Wayans. So I'm gonna go seven

1581
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 7: out of ten bunks, and I think that should be

1582
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 7: our next pick them payoff, just whip a ball at

1583
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 7: each other's butts books.

1584
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 4: I like that idea.

1585
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 3: We definitely, I think I owea pick them payoff? Right,

1586
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I do. Yeh from when the season

1587
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 3: got a postponed? Okay, book me up, who's got the

1588
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 3: best arm on the on the crew? Maybe I should

1589
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:46,719
Speaker 3: probably have to get one.

1590
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 4: From all of you?

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01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 2: Three books, two cheap. That's tough.

1592
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, three.

1593
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 3: Books from the boys. That's what we're gonna do. That's

1594
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 3: the payoff that I'm gonna pay off. Okay, So you

1595
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 3: like it, Yeah, don't love it? That's fair, Genie.

1596
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna give it two pairs of chords out

1597
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 5: of five.

1598
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 4: Okay.

1599
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 2: I liked.

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01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 5: I liked the shep redemption story. Ultimately, I think I

1601
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 5: would have liked to have explored it a little bit more.

1602
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 5: I wanted more from Tupac. But yeah, I mean I

1603
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 5: generally I thought it was a sloppily made movie. And

1604
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 5: one scene that I've that I forgot about that just

1605
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 5: popped into my head was the scene when he's giving

1606
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 5: Kyle to Tupac is giving Kyle the a tour of

1607
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 5: the club and he takes him upstairs and there's the

1608
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 5: prostitute standing there. It is so awkwardly blocked that shot,

1609
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 5: like she's literally five feet away from them, and they're

1610
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 5: they're talking about her. She's dancing by herself facing them,

1611
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 5: and they're like, well, I could go for some of that.

1612
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 5: And he's like, call her over, and then I rewound

1613
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,600
Speaker 5: this like three times. She takes literally three steps to

1614
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 5: get to to get to Kyle and starts making out

1615
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 5: with them, and it's just like, why couldn't you just

1616
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 5: put her on the other side of the room or something,

1617
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.

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01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 1: Like it's just like, see, I didn't mind that, I

1619
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, but it's not a nice club.

1620
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: It reminded me of crappy clubs I've been to in

1621
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 1: Mississauga where the upstairs is basically ten feet wide, so

1622
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: there's nowhere to go, and so that's where she is.

1623
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 5: Well I had a problem with it anyway, two pairs

1624
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 5: of chords chaf and me. I mean, I wouldn't watch

1625
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 5: it again. But again, if you turn your brain off

1626
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 5: it's a pleasant little time waster.

1627
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this movie. I understand that a big

1628
01:16:44,040 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 3: part of it is the nostalgic factor that I'm holding

1629
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 3: on too. I remember putting on the soundtrack and you know,

1630
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 3: lowering the rim and dunking with Brody Paul. We listened

1631
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 3: to this non stop. We watched it all the time.

1632
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 3: This is right when I became a diehard basketball fan.

1633
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 3: This was definitely you know, it was impressionable on me.

1634
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 3: This the fashion. I'm sure I started wearing a sideways,

1635
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 3: you know.

1636
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 4: Ball cap like like Kyle.

1637
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 3: I definitely rolled up my one pant leg like bugged

1638
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 3: it at one point, like ll cool J style, Like

1639
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 3: it was cool.

1640
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 4: It was just cool to me.

1641
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 3: And and and again, like you guys have mentioned, Tupac

1642
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 3: is awesome, Bernie Mac is awesome. I even think Kyle's

1643
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 3: pretty decent as as the lead guy. Shep's a is

1644
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 3: a weird character. Never never was the biggest Shep fan,

1645
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 3: even when he was lightening it up in his chords.

1646
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 3: But I love it. I love the soundtrack, I love

1647
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 3: the performances. Yeah, it's formulaic, but I'm entertained for an

1648
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 3: hour and a half. I'm giving this nine Ant Eater

1649
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 3: Dix out of ten. I had completely forgotten about that seed,

1650
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 3: which is still really really weird but sort of funny too.

1651
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm a I'm a fan of this movie.

1652
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 3: I think, I don't know, I think of a lot

1653
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 3: of these basketball movies we've watched, I'm putting this one

1654
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 3: a lot higher than those others in terms of just

1655
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 3: throwing it on, like Task said, and watching it again

1656
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 3: and being mildly entertained. Yeah, when we start nitpicking and

1657
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,680
Speaker 3: going through the goddamn blocking of scenes and sure that

1658
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 3: opening scene is definitely strange, the dream scene and how

1659
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 3: he dies not so that is very weird. I think

1660
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 3: they could have written out a lot better. But it's

1661
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 3: better than a lot of these other ones we've watched.

1662
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 3: So probably more of a seven or eight, But I'm

1663
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 3: giving it a nine out of the antated Dicks because

1664
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,200
Speaker 3: I just love the nostalgic factor and I just want

1665
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 3: to see say, Anti Eater Dix again.

1666
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 5: And circumcised penises. How many circumcised penises.

1667
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 6: Are we talking to?

1668
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 4: Concur I prefer a circumcised.

1669
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Speaker 5: Everybody.

1670
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm actually thinking back Jad in high school.

1671
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Speaker 3: For sure. You're comparing but in our high school it

1672
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 3: was who's.

1673
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 2: A hood rat and who's not.

1674
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1675
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