WEBVTT - What Really Happens When We Die - What One Man Saw on the Other Side 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:10.920 Now really, really, really well and welcome to really know 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.160 really with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who respectfully ask 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:16.799 you to please subscribe before we all pass on to 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:20.439 the great beyond. And speaking of the great beyond, what 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.560 happens when we die? What do we see or experience? 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:29.160 Is it frightening or peaceful or joyful? Sebastian Younger is 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.319 a noted combat reporter, a best selling author, and an 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:37.600 Academy Award winning documentarian. Not long ago, a violent, undiagnosed 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.440 aneurism brought Younger as close to death as anyone we know. 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.279 His own doctors are baffled by his miraculous survival, and 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:49.040 since returning from the ABYSS, he's now sharing that experience. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:50.600 We've all heard about. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.200 So called NDS, near death experiences where the clinically dead 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.600 are miraculously resuscitated and return to life with eerily familiar 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.600 stories of long dead relatives speaking to them, or a 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:06.160 tunnel illuminated by a brilliant, welcoming light. Are these stories 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:09.360 evidence of a great beyond or simply wild spasms of 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.080 a dying brain. After his own experience, our guest launched 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.319 an investigation and uncovered a possible third answer that expands 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:22.679 our understanding of life, death, and the universe itself. Really, no, really, 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.440 and now here's the beating heart and failing liver of 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:27.839 our show, Jason and Peter. 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.679 All Right, Peter, this is a this is a this 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.920 is a unique episode of really no really, but this, 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:39.080 By the way, what I love is you didn't have 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.680 the balls to really hit the belle muffle. You're gonna 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.440 see what what now? This is not to annoy you. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.840 This is thematic for what we're going to discuss today. 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:57.800 And you tell me what the theme is. Ready, you 0:01:57.920 --> 0:01:58.280 get it? 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.560 You get it? Yeah, it's just worst code. What could 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:05.840 I be getting? Who the bell tolls? 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:10.960 Because that bell one day will ring the final bell 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:16.880 for you, for me, probably you first. You know, I'm 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.080 just saying I'm looking at you. I'm looking at me. 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:23.440 I think you're going first. What is it that. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.520 You're looking at me that you think I will go 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:26.480 for first? 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:27.280 What? 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:29.920 First of all, you are a few years older than 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.280 actively healthy. I don't smoke it. You know. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:37.639 The keyword in that sentence was relatively and not comparatively 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:38.840 comparatively to me. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.560 I don't have There's nothing wrong with me. I have 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:42.679 I have zero. 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:47.120 Plaque, zero cardiac plaque. My liters clean, my kidneys are clean, 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.160 my lungs are clean. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.920 Smash cut to George Costanzo was killed in a traffic 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:52.720 accident today. 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.520 Wow, anything you know that is the act of God. 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.520 I'm saying, if God stays out of it. 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:02.040 This episode is about that. This is about what happens 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:04.880 when we die. Is there is there a God? Is 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:05.880 there a greater source? 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:07.600 Where do we go? Right? 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.560 And you said to me, because I find guests for 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:12.640 the show often, And you said. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.760 No, you're playing guests for the show exclusive. Okay, well no, 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:16.720 because our team. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.880 I don't want anybody to think I'm lifting a finger 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.200 for this, which is why I live longer. 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:21.800 That's right. 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.360 I don't aggravate over you said, I'd love to have 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.480 somebody who died and came back. This is about as 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:31.320 close as you can get. Sebastian Younger went, he's gonna 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:32.040 tell his story. 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:33.800 Yeah, and this is a guy, this is a you 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:35.880 know I I actually when you said his name, I went, 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.000 the guy from Perfect Storm, the guy who wrote it. Yeah, 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.720 he's a he's a investigative journalist. He's been embedded in 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:44.880 a lot of war zone. This guy who like lives 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:46.400 it out and hangs it out there. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.760 A lot puts it out there. But he had an experience. 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:50.760 We'll let him tell about it that he wrote about 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.480 in his latest book about what happened and what he 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.000 saw that people talk about the white light, they talk 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.120 about a tunnel. People have talked about I saw a 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.920 family member reach out for me. Yeah, his story that 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.960 would make me not go. If my mother is there 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:09.560 going sweight on, I'm not going. So she could be 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.040 stealing silverware right in the afterlife. All right, Yeah, So 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:16.200 we wanted to hear Sebastian's story because every you's fascinated. 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.080 We're all going there, Like you said, yeah, what can 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:23.320 we expect? What do you expect right to happen at 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:24.200 that moment in time? 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.400 There we go. You ready? Do you ever thought of 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:30.160 where you're going? Of where I'm going. We'll talk about 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.479 this at the end. The funny thing is wherever you're going, 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.640 it's going to be this. You still talk to Jerry. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:35.560 I will say this. 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.880 I am not a Christian person, and I once had 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.960 a devout Christian telling me very lovingly, really, you're going 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.359 to go to hell if you don't accept the truth 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:47.520 and you don't accept them as sia, and you're going 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.119 to go to Hell. You're going to go to Helen. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:50.359 I don't want you to go to Hell. And she 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.279 went on for quite some time, and I said, let 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:52.960 me ask a question. 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.280 Are you going to Hell? She said no, No, I'm 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:59.400 not going to Helen. I said, well then I'll be fine. Wow, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:03.359 And with that let's discuss. 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:09.080 Yes, Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome journalist author uh. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.360 And a man with a unique experience, new number one 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.039 New York Times best selling author which, like the Storm 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.839 I didn't mean to pooh pooh a death en Belmont 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.440 War Tribe freedom in his latest in My Time of Dying, 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.840 how I came face to face with the idea of 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:23.680 an afterlife. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.440 Ladies and gentlemen, Sebastian Younger. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.000 Nice to be here, Thank you very much. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.360 Nice that you're you're still with us in the flesh 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:35.120 and spirit, because we know I mean, Peter has filled 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.680 me in on this incredible story that you have. I 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:42.800 know you, of course from your investigative journalism and literary work. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.080 But when Peter started to tell me your your story 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.960 about this near death experience, my head started to spend. 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.760 I got very excited and so I'm thrilled you're here 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:53.600 to share it with us. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.440 And by the way, you you, I think in Guinness 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.400 Rolbrook records had the closest near death you were, so 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:00.919 I don't think any but he beat you when it 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:01.880 comes to near death. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.320 So oh, I don't know. 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.160 I'm sure they had people have, but I came as 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:08.400 close as I'd never liked to. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.720 Yeah, so I thank you. Really nice to be on, gentlemen. 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:17.560 And yeah, my book is called In My Time of Dying, 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:19.600 and it's about how I almost died and what I 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.680 saw when I was dying. And I just start out 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.960 by saying, I'm an atheist. I'm a rationalist. My father 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.640 was a physicist and was an atheist until he died 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:36.080 some years ago. And that's the proper context from what 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.120 I'm about to tell you, which is that I you know, 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.680 I was a war reporter for a long time. I 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.560 had a number of close calls with bullets and bombs 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:44.240 and things like. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.640 That, very close calls. 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.400 I was blown up by an I E. E and Nefistan. 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:52.960 I had a guy tell me that he was going 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.520 to execute me and the Niger Delta. I wass By 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.560 rebels and accused of being as pie. I had all 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:02.440 kinds of stuff. But I got out of that amazing 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.560 and terrifying life after my buddy Tim Heatherington was killed 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.200 in Libya, covering the civil war in Libya. Of course, 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.280 him and I made the documentary Werestrepo together about a 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.720 remote combat outpost in eastern Afghanistan. 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.960 He was killed a few years later, and I got 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:19.720 out of the business. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:24.560 I got married, I had children, wonderful family, two little girls, 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.600 and during COVID we left New York City, where we 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.720 live in the tiny apartment. We left for a very 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:35.480 house at a very secluded place in the woods in Massachusetts. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.480 It's so remote that there's no cell phone service. It's 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:41.560 the end of a dead end dirt road. The landline 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:43.880 doesn't work when it rains because the line shorted out. 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:50.960 In other words, it's paradigm right. One day, I was 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:55.600 talking to my wife and I felt this pain shoot 0:07:55.640 --> 0:08:00.520 from my abdomen. Not unbearable, but you know, really straightened. Yeah, like, 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.280 oh what was that? And you know, I'm not a 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:06.080 walking heart attack. I'm a really healthy, athletic guy, and 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.680 I just never think in terms of medical crisis right like, 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:13.400 It's just it's never crossed my mind. And I tried 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.440 to stand up to work the pain out, and I 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.520 almost fell over. I couldn't keep my feet. My blood 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.880 pressure was plummeting. I mean, this is how casually we die. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.920 One moment, I'm talking to my wife. The next moment, 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.840 I'm dying, without any preamble or precursor or anything. I 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:37.120 had an undiagnosed aneurism in my pancreatic artery, and which 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.840 is a low artery in your abdomen, and aneurisms are 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:44.000 an unnatural sort of ballooning in the artery wall. It's 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.760 not a product or author or anything like that. It's 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:51.679 a sort of freak thing. And my aneurism chose that 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.320 moment to rupture, and I started losing a pint of 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:59.040 blood every maybe ten or fifteen minutes into my own abdomen. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.160 And you know, you can there's about ten pints of 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.440 blood in the human body. You can lose maybe half 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.079 of that before you die. Fortunately, I didn't know that. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:11.680 I had no idea I was dying. And we managed 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.320 to call an ambulance and they got there, and it 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.040 took about an hour and a half to get me 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.080 to the hospital. And when I got there, I was 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:23.319 I was in n stage hemorrhagic shock. I was convulsing. 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:27.160 I was I was maybe ten minutes from dead. And 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.839 suddenly there was a guy with a huge needle telling 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:31.480 me he was going to put it through my neck 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:33.320 into my jugular to transfuse me. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.760 And that was when I had my vision. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:40.560 Were you in pain at that point? And when you 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.600 get stuck with a needle like that, does that hurt? 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.360 Are you or are you lucid? 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.200 That's your question, because did the needle hurt? 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:48.760 Well, I just want to know what that moment, what 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:50.760 he thought. Was he aware that he was there close? 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:55.520 Yeh wow, Okay, yeah, sorry, Zebastian, tell him if the 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:56.200 needle hurt. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.880 No, it's a good question, because the needle was. 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.560 It was a big, intimidating needle and it was going 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.280 into my neck and I didn't like the idea of 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.640 it and I and I actually asked the doctor. I said, 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:10.800 you mean, in case there's an emergency, and he said, 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.880 this is the emergency right now. So I said, okay, 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.960 you know, do what you gotta do whatever, Like, I 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:17.800 don't know why I'm in you know, I'm in for 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.559 belly pain. But if you feel like you need to 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:20.480 stick a needle in my. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.000 Neck, go ahead. Yeah. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:22.800 Yeah. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.760 And so they you know, they put some Lito cane 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.559 on your neck, and so that actually didn't feel like anything. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.679 I was in tremendous pain because the blood in your 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:37.040 abdomen against your organs UH is incredibly provocative to your organs. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:38.880 And I was really sort of an agony from that, 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.319 and I was convulsing. I was deep in hypothermia from 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.240 blood loss and sort of not of right mind. But 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.800 I was conscious in conversing with the doctors, and I 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:52.480 had no idea that I was dying, no idea what 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.880 was going on. And as he started working on my neck, 0:10:56.080 --> 0:11:00.840 prepping my neck for the UH for the needle, all 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:04.719 of a sudden, this black hole that sort of had 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.000 infinity on the other side of it. It was like 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:11.920 a very infinitely dark abyss and I was getting pulled 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.680 in through this hole and I was terrified of it. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:17.800 I didn't know I was dying, but I was terrified 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:19.400 of going into the hole. It was like I was 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:23.080 a wounded coyote or something. I was all animal instincts, 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.280 like don't go into the black pit, and as I 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:27.280 started to panic. 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.720 Suddenly I realized that my father, who'd been. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:34.199 Dead many years, my father was above me in this 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:37.480 sort of energy form, right above me, and he was 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:41.520 communicating with me. And he was communicating basically, it's okay, 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.120 you don't have to fight it. You can come with me. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.960 I'll take care of you. And I was horrified. I mean, 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.480 I didn't again, I didn't know I was dying. So 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.600 the invitation to go with him was I was almost insulted. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:12:01.080 I was like, look, you're dead. I'm just like, what, 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.720 the party's over here. I'm not going with you, Like, Dad, 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.000 what are you doing here anyway? Like floating above me? 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.960 Like? And I said to the doctrine, you're gonna hurry. 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.000 You're losing me right now. I'm going. I don't know 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:13.160 where I'm going, but I'm going. 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:18.520 And and then that was when he got started. The 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.240 blood started pushing blood into my jugular and they brought 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.840 me back from the brink and kept me alive long 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:28.000 enough for the next six hours, kept me alive long 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:32.199 enough to save my life in the interventional radiology suite, 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.760 where they managed to embolize the leak plug the leak 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:37.720 by catheter. 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.679 You're in this dialogue with your father. 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.240 Now, In many of the near death stories that I've heard, 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:50.200 that moment for the person going through it becomes quite 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:53.840 blissful and accepting, and in fact, it's the opposite of 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:58.520 what you're describing, where the dead entity is saying, it's 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.240 not your time. Don't come with me yet, go back, 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.160 go back. In your case, it sounded like you went, hey, daddy, 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.480 leave me alone. I don't want to go with you 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:11.120 right now. So A, to the extent that you've researched, 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:12.680 it was your experience unusual. 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.920 And B why do you think it? 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.040 How did Why do you think you knew that you 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.520 did not want to go at that point? Was it 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:24.079 just the natural fear of death or was there something 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:24.679 else in play? 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.280 You know, I imagine death is a great consolation when you're 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.840 very old, if you're in pain, if you're dying of cancer, 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:35.960 in great pain, if you're in great psychic pain. You know, 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:41.800 I imagine that death is a welcome finish line. That 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.520 wasn't me right. I had a three year old daughter 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.520 and a six month old daughter and my wife, and 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.079 you know, I've loved my life. It took me a 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.560 long time to get to this point of having this 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.840 amazing family and I have no interest in going anywhere, 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.199 and so, you know, I think that sort of partly 0:13:59.240 --> 0:13:59.920 plays anyway. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:01.760 But where I was, I was like, what do you? 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:02.600 I mean really, I was. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.400 Just puzzled, like what are you doing here? Like I mean, 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:08.720 I'm just in for belly paint, Like I'm not I'm 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.040 not dying. I get get out of here, like there's 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.280 been a huge misunderstanding. And of course I was the 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:16.120 one didn't understand right, But I didn't know. I didn't 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:16.520 know that. 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.320 But so interesting about that to me is given your background, 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.760 I would have thought, I mean, I know you had 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.320 many things to live for your family, certainly, but given 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.720 your background and how you threw yourself into such dangerous 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:35.640 situations out of sure, I'm sure a curiosity and a 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:38.640 job to do and needing to cover this and needing that, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.760 you would have found this a really interesting curious moment 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.520 to go, Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna go check it 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:46.800 out of an unknown maybe I can report back on this, 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:48.320 you know, It's just it was. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:54.160 I just find it interesting. I remember my sister. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.520 I'm just going to relate a quick story my sister 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:00.000 died about seven years ago, just before her sixty fifth birth. 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.080 That she had been chronically ill for a while. 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.200 But she was having a fairly good period and literally 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:10.120 she her system became septic, her gut ruptured internally, she 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.960 was becoming septic, and she died within twenty four hours, 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:16.880 but that she was an ICU intubated with everything going on. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.840 She actually wrote to her doctor on a pet. 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:24.720 Am I dying, And he wrote, well, yeah, and she 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.800 and I wasn't there. But my understanding was that she 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:33.760 had to wrestle for about thirty minutes with the idea 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.200 that because she was cognizant of the fact that there 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.640 was nothing they could do, and that this was the 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:39.280 direction she. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.240 Was going, and she had to take it all in. 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:45.120 And I can't imagine that part of the transition, that 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.480 part of the journey is just you know. That's why 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.720 I note that moment for you of going Nope, I'm 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.800 not interested in I'm not going here right now. 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.480 I'm not going And you know, children are a game changer, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:59.720 you know, And I don't know how I would have 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.560 reacted did had I not had children, I would have 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:07.520 been a very sad person, and sad I think sad. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.800 People probably die more easily, except death more easily. And 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:12.200 you know, so had I not. 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.120 Met my wife and had a family, et cetera, et cetera, 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.040 had I been sort of single in the world, or 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.200 at least not a father, I might have welcomed. You know, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:23.600 I was like, Okay, that didn't work. I'm out of here. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.760 I mean, I don't know were you. 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.800 Were you conscious during this whole procedures as they were 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:33.480 twisting this thing through consciously, see, I would have checked out. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:34.800 On we're going to punch a hole in you. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.520 And that's when I would have said, Hey, propofol is 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:38.160 a great thing. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:38.920 Why not? 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.640 Well, you know, I have memories of the whole thing. 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.200 They had me on a little bit of versid and 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:49.360 a little bit of fentanyl, but I have memories from 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.040 the whole thing, and I remember being in extraordinary pain. 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.040 You know, when they put up when they when they 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.400 inserted the catheter into my into my femeral again, they 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.920 used LIGHTO ain't on your skin and the and they 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:05.440 make a little cut and you know, arteries don't have nerves, 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.359 and veins don't have nerves, and so well, you know, 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:09.879 once they're inside the skin barrier, they can sort of 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.080 do what they want and it doesn't feel like anything. 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.320 All right, So let's go, let's go to the air 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.520 the pit. Yes, so, yeah, So were you in dialogue 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.840 with your father? And if so, was it actual verbal? 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.880 Could the could the physicians hear you speaking? 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:27.200 Well, there's you know, there's a lot of. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.560 Were you in dialogue with your father? And if so, 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.680 was it actual verbal? Could the could the physicians hear 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:45.640 you speaking? 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.120 Well, there's you know, there's a lot of There are many, many, 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:53.640 many accounts of dying people seeing the dad in the room, right, 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.680 people in hospice, or people in hospice, people dying of cancer, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.600 things like that, and often they'll even speak with them. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:01.080 Right. 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.600 Of course, no one sees the dead and no one 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:09.120 hears anything said back. But it's an extremely common thing, 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.879 and no one else really sees the dead except the dying. 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.720 And I was dying, and of course no one else 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:18.760 saw what I saw. 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.000 I saw my father hovering above me in this sort 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.360 of like energy form, and the communication, I wouldn't say 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:30.560 it was verbal. Again, I sort of sensed him in 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:34.439 a non visual way that was extremely real, right, it 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.600 was as real as vision, except it wasn't vision quite 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.640 it was a I don't need I don't think there's 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.760 there's words in English for it. And likewise, the communication 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.840 it was almost like we were telepathic with each other. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:47.280 Yeah. 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.639 Yeah, as an atheist, did you change your belief system 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:53.320 as far as what may be on the other side 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.080 or what have you gone with dad? 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:56.760 What would have happened? 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.560 Well, okay, so yeah, it's it's it's we're to sort 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:03.480 of break down the vocabulary here a little bit. So 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:08.560 atheism means that I don't believe in God. I don't 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.880 claim to know there is none. Claiming to know there's 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.480 no God is as absurd as claiming to know that 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.040 there is a God. Right, I mean both are both 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.000 are indefensible positions. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:20.560 Uh. 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:25.320 And and uh, I mean indefensible with data or evidence. 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:26.240 And and so. 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.000 But I do not myself believe in God because I've 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.320 never felt his presence or have seen any evidence that 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:32.880 there is one. 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:33.160 Right. 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:37.720 So, but that's different than a quote afterlife. So the 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:42.480 idea that there's a post death continuation of the individual 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:47.439 on some level, maybe even a sub atomic, sort of 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.880 quantum level, that's entirely possible in a universe that has 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.919 no God, no creator, in it. 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:57.840 You could also have a creator God. 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.600 I don't think there is one, but just logically speaking, 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:05.760 you could have a creator. God created this universe and 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:10.600 decided to create biological beings like salamanders and turtles and 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:15.000 sharks and humans and mosquitos and everything else. And when 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.360 they when these things die, they they they're biologically dead. 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.160 They decompose, they're dead. There's no soul. 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:20.560 That's it. 0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:24.480 There's no quote afterlife. So God, in an afterlife, you 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.240 don't need one or the other. You could have both. 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:27.800