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Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang on today's show, the final one of

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Speaker 1: the offseason. So what did we learn after three weeks

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Speaker 1: of OTAs in two days of mandatory minicamp? What are

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Speaker 1: the questions? Maybe even some concerns as the team breaks

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Speaker 1: for the summer. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode five seventy

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Speaker 1: and it starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. Hitting

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Speaker 1: ten half of five piece in again. So more Harry Magic.

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Speaker 1: Oh here's Craig Grielu. So final day miniicamp. You are

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Speaker 1: out there, Paul brave in the heats, and maybe a

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Speaker 1: little bit more brave than myself is. Yes, I wore shorts,

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Speaker 1: Paul did nuts, but that Arizona sun beating down on

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Speaker 1: all of us. I think I get a pass, don't

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Speaker 1: you think? Well. I try to negotiate for the right

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Speaker 1: to wear shorts in my last contract and I was denied.

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Speaker 1: So I took that personal somewhat understandable. But those who

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Speaker 1: have earned the right to wear shorts, like you and

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Speaker 1: Dave Pass, and there are those who have not. Now,

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Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley falls somewhere in between. He's been wearing the

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Speaker 1: same Camo shorts for a good two decades, including today.

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Speaker 1: I mean, wolf it's time to retire the Camo shorts.

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Speaker 1: So there's some injustice, I think, and inequality and how

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Speaker 1: the shorts rules being applied, and I do plan to

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Speaker 1: protest accordingly. See, I just follow the Darren urban rule. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if Darren does it, then I do it. I just

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Speaker 1: I just, you know, kind of follow the leader kind

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Speaker 1: and everything is okay. Well, we all know Darren's a

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Speaker 1: made man around here, so I'm not sure that I

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Speaker 1: of playbook that he does. But you know, okay, until

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Speaker 1: you're told otherwise, why not? Exactly? And the Cardinals on

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Speaker 1: the football field, and it was it wasn't too too

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Speaker 1: not seen before. I've not been covering this team as

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Speaker 1: long as you I will not date you. However, there

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Speaker 1: was a drill, a little role reversal, if you will,

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Speaker 1: after the team stretch. Did you notice the quarterback throwing

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Speaker 1: to defenders, the linebackers, defensive backs, the d lineman, we're

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Speaker 1: doing their own thing. The offensive lineman, we're doing their

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Speaker 1: We know what the Cardinals offense looked like with their

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Speaker 1: the seams. Max Williams has that great energy on the sideline.

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Speaker 1: He's about as likable and about as popular as anybody

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Speaker 1: things got a little dicey last season. I still go

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Speaker 1: back to Trey McBride. It was one of his first

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Speaker 1: the reasons that Cliff Kingsbury joked in one of his

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Speaker 1: is this, hey, zach Ertz, Trey McBride, Max Williams on

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Speaker 1: whether it's Cliff Kingsbury himself, whether it's Mike Berkovich who

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Speaker 1: has been recently elevated to offensive assistant on ninety eight

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Speaker 1: the coaches on offense citing the need to run the

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Speaker 1: like the Cardinals failed to do at least stay as balanced,

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Speaker 1: You realize how tight these guys are, and so there's

430
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Speaker 1: no reason there has to be a ramp up between

431
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 1: those two. That can be a very productive pairing from

432
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: day one. The learning curve, there is no learning curve

433
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: with those two. Maybe a little bit within the offense,

434
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: but they are already well ahead. It's the known versus

435
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 1: the unknown. Why a lot of teams like the Rams

436
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 1: like to go with the established player versus draft Yes,

437
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah, absolutely. Now as for other things, I

438
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: think we've talked about everything on offense except probably our

439
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: biggest fear or concern, and it would be the big

440
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,120
Speaker 1: guys up front. So I don't know when you want

441
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 1: to get to that. I don't know if you know.

442
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 1: Are you a guy who deals with the bad news

443
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: first or the good news first? Gree You know, there's

444
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 1: only two kinds of people in this world. Those who

445
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: want the bad news first, they want the bad news last.

446
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: Put it this way, Paul, it was not a concern

447
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: of mine until earlier this week. Who is playing center?

448
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 1: I'm walking around asking people, players, people watching on the sideline.

449
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: Can you play center? Rodney Hudson absent all off season?

450
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: And when you hear the head coach say it was

451
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: not excused, That is telling because one Kingsbury hardly ever

452
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: gives you anything, opens that door, and it's very easy

453
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: to say we excused him. Teams do it all over

454
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: the place. Jimmy Garoppolo excused from the forty nine ers camp.

455
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: Now DK Metcalf not excused from Seattle Seahawks. Man Baker Mayfield,

456
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 1: please stay away, you are excused, But no. Rodney Hudson,

457
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: the starting center, the anchor of your offensive line, someone

458
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 1: the Cardinals specifically targeted to help improve Kyler Murray as

459
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback and improve that offensive line and ground pick

460
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: and that push up front to protect Kyler Murray because

461
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: we know the middle push up the front. When Max

462
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: Garcia was in there and getting hands in the face

463
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: of Kyler Murray, it makes it more difficult. So, yeah,

464
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 1: the number one concern I have on offense and maybe

465
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 1: for the entire team between now and training camp, who

466
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: is playing center? And maybe we were remiss as the

467
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,399
Speaker 1: media and not asking that question much earlier in the offseason.

468
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: But if you know Rodney Hudson, you know he's all

469
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: about ball. This dude is a grinder. Every single offensive

470
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 1: lineman and coach said last year that Hey, Rodney Hudson

471
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: didn't feel somewhat of an obligation to meet the media.

472
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: He never meet the media. He doesn't care about the media.

473
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: He doesn't want the spotlight. He just wants the ball.

474
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: He's in there watching film, he's in early, he's helping

475
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 1: the young guys, he's helping set the game plan. How

476
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: many times did we hear in? Justin Puge just told

477
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: the story with Dave Passion the Pash podcast, which you

478
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: can catch coming up real soon with a pashpot. But

479
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, there was a play in the Tennessee game

480
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: where he noticed something and he made a check and

481
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: it resulted in a touchdown pass because he recognized a

482
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: front and a liability in the Titans defense. So here's

483
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: a guy who's astute, here's a guy who is stout

484
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: at the point of attack, and he's been all about football.

485
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 1: So when we heard he hadn't been there for all

486
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: these OTAs well, Marcus Golden hadn't been there for a

487
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: voluntary right. You know, there were plenty of offensive linemen

488
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: who had been there for maybe one or two but

489
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 1: had missed the majority of them. There were there were

490
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: a number of big name players and starters who had

491
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: fit into that category. And look after COVID and after

492
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: these off season sessions were missed entirely in twenty twenty,

493
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: there's much less importance being placed on these sessions by

494
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: especially the players. So we didn't think much of it.

495
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: But then when all of a sudden, it's mandatory minicamp

496
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,479
Speaker 1: and Rodney Hudson isn't here, where's sixty one? And then

497
00:25:54,520 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: the coach says the accident, the absence is not excused. Okay,

498
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: the speculation is on. So what do you think is

499
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: the best theory? Do we even have an inkling as

500
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: to what might be going on here? Is it contract related?

501
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: More money wanted? Is he looking to step away? Call

502
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: it a career? I mean I speaking to the contract

503
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: real quick. Could it be a desire for more money, yes,

504
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: a longer term deal yes, more guaranteed money yes. Could

505
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: it be on the Cardinals side because his cap number

506
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: went from two point nine to twelve point six. Did

507
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: the Cardinals want him to work with the team a

508
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: little bit more on the cap number? Could be I

509
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: don't know. He is the only offensive lineman under contract

510
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: for next season, right, So you know, you're looking at

511
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: someone that's part of your future and you lose that part,

512
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: and it's a huge part now all of a sudden,

513
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: you look at the roster, all right, Sean Harlowe has

514
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: been working at center, made one start last season there,

515
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: Lucida Smith, your sixth round draft pick. That's a lot

516
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: to ask. And then we find out Justin Pugh might

517
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Speaker 1: give it a go and see maybe trying to extend

518
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: his career. I love what Pew had to say as

519
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: far as working out at center. We'll try it out.

520
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: We'll see how it goes. If I go out there

521
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: and don't play real well, you'll see me at left guard.

522
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: So okay, what does that mean exactly? I mean there's

523
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: two ways you can ways you can take that. That

524
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: is okay, Well, there's got to be depth behind Rodney Hudson,

525
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: so you know what, and and without a Max Garcia

526
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: who had played there at times, but Sean Harlowe had

527
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: had been the option behind Rodney Hudson as well. So

528
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 1: are we talking strictly depth? Are we talking the Cardinals

529
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: need a starter at center? There's a couple of different

530
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: ways you could take that. What's also interesting is how

531
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: Justin Pugh said repeatedly, how demanding mentally the center position is.

532
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: Here's a guy who's been in the league for a decade.

533
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: Here's the guy who's a very high IQ guy, very

534
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: well spoken. So if anyone has the capability of mastering

535
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: the center position, it would be someone like a Justin Pugh,

536
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: and he's talking about how to demanding it is mentally.

537
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: So to think to your point, like on for example,

538
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: Licta Smith, you might have all the skills perhaps to

539
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: come in and compete physically, but to ask a rookie

540
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: to do that when a dude who has been in

541
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: the league for a decade is swimming mentally at center,

542
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: that's not feasible, not realistic, and you gotta hope that's

543
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 1: not in a possible scenario, or that's gonna be a

544
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: real liability to the point where even a guard might

545
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: be calling out the mic linebacker. Physically, less demanding, mentally,

546
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 1: much more intense. That's how Hugh described the center position.

547
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: Although I say this, Justin Pugh does have one thing

548
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: going for him that Sean Harlowe and Licina Smith do

549
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: not have. Okay, what's up. His college background went to

550
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: the fine outstanding college Syracuse University, where the likes of

551
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: Quentin Harris, Dave Pash, Craig reel Low, Justin Pugh. So

552
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: I actually I'm talking my self out of this as

553
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: a concern. I think the Cardinals are set at center. Paul,

554
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, the Harvard or the Finger Lakes. Is

555
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: that what you're saying, Syracuse? You that's upstate New York,

556
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: New York. It's right. So bottom line, though, honestly, I

557
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: do not think as we talk here on the final

558
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: day of the offseason, the last day of mini camp,

559
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to make a prediction that the Cardinals starting

560
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: center Week one is currently not on the roster really,

561
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: that is, if Rodney Hudson does not return to the

562
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. And I did not see this scenario unfolding.

563
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: I did not. For everything that has happened in a

564
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: very eventful offseason that was started with the whole Kyler

565
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: Murray drama and then the manifesto, the Russian novelist tolstoy

566
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: S manifesto replete with the taps yeah and a typo

567
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: at the very end asking for two hundred million plus.

568
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: So I mean, for everything that has happened in this offseason.

569
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: I did not foresee this scenario where the Cardinals could

570
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: be in need of a center and don't minimize the

571
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: value of a center. We saw what a problem was

572
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: and it's a great observation, especially with a Kyler Murray

573
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: and just his stature. You know, obviously as a fine

574
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: deminute of American myself, there's not much that I say, Okay,

575
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: you know it doesn't What can other quarterbacks do that

576
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: Kyler can do? Well? The one thing is he can't

577
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: be a big Ben or a Josh Allen and stand

578
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: in there at six foot five, six foot six, two

579
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,239
Speaker 1: hundred thirty, two hundred forty pounds and just be an

580
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: oak Tree in the pocket and still make a pass

581
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: with guys hanging off his legs. No, that's not gonna happen.

582
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: That is not Kyler Murray. So, and I've said this before, agree,

583
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: is that when you look at what was the difference

584
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season with the offense. Yeah,

585
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: Kyler was coming off injury and yeah there was no

586
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: dhop I get it, But I just don't think he

587
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: ever trusted the right guard position, and especially against the

588
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: Rams and Aaron Donald, I think it freaked him out.

589
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: I think it got to him mentally when that was

590
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: a liability when ninety nine is busting through the B

591
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: gap repeatedly, and so now all of a sudden, you

592
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: have one eye downfield, another eye on a certain gap

593
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: where a certain players lined up, and he's a human

594
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: wrecking ball. So this is something you have to shore

595
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: up that interior offensive line more than anything for a

596
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray because I just think it rattles his confidence

597
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: when the pocket is not protected and it's not an

598
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: absolute from up the middle. So they better figure out

599
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: and answer this. Now, could Justin Pugh be the guy?

600
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: And could your guards be a Will Hernandez a left

601
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: guard and a Justin Murray a right guard? And could

602
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: that be feasible and viable? Yeah, you know, Justin Pugh's

603
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: very good at what he does, and I think he

604
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: does have the ability to make that transition. There might

605
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: be a learning curve earlier in the year. And what

606
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: do they play the Rams in Week three? So okay,

607
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: but you know, Will Hernandez has plenty of experience the

608
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: left guard, and Justin Murray was your starting right guard

609
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: going into the season before the back injuries, So there

610
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: is a possible scenario. The problem was the problem would

611
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: be your left was like zero depth in that case,

612
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: in that depth chart right there. Okay, you know you're

613
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: You're down to a Sean Harlowe and to be named

614
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: later in terms of people would be able to fill

615
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: in interior old line wise, they did bring in Billy Price,

616
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: former Giants center, who still is on the market, and

617
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: he was brought in according to reports for a visit recently.

618
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: He'll be twenty eight in October, so there is an option.

619
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: But again it is something that neither one of us

620
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: anticipated having to discuss going into training camp, which begins

621
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: in six weeks. It doesn't sound I mean six weeks

622
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: long time. Yet of course we're talking about this here now.

623
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: You had to have thought that the team is aware

624
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: of anything that is on the field related that we

625
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: find out. I mean, did DeAndre Hopkins suspension. They had

626
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: to know that weeks months before Rodney Hudson discussing things

627
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: with him. They had to know that this was somewhat

628
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: on the table. The Hollywood Brown trade, I can tell you,

629
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean that was formulating and agreed upon couple of

630
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: months at least before the draft. You just couldn't put

631
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: it out there, because, for example, I would presume Baltimore

632
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't want it known, because then all of a sudden,

633
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: if people know Baltimore is going to be at twenty three,

634
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: then you know people are going to make moves accordingly

635
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: and maybe move up in front of him to get

636
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: a receiver they might have targeted or what have you. So, yeah,

637
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: the team and the fact that we haven't seen a

638
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: name off the street come in yet, does that mean

639
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: these things they're working through? Air quotes calvco over here,

640
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: what Cliff Kingsbury told the media that there's someone optimistic

641
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: there will be a resolution, there will be an agreement

642
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: or an answer. I don't know. He was so quick

643
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: with the media that you didn't get a feeling of

644
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: optimism from the head coach. I mean you can sort

645
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: of read the vibe and in terms of his response

646
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: to a question and kind of sense whether he's optimistic

647
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: or pessimistic. Yeah, that one I had a hard time

648
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: getting to read either way. I just go back to

649
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: the fact that Rodney Hudson, this guy has been all

650
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: in on football, and so I don't unless he had

651
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: such a bitter taste in his mouth to the end

652
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: of last season. I'm not sure why he'd walk away

653
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: at this point, especially with the salary he's about to command.

654
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: Here's hoping that things do get worked out between the

655
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: Cardinals and Rodney Hudson, because this Cardinals team is better

656
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: when Rodney Hudson is on the football field. That was

657
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: evident last year and the games that he did not

658
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: play versus of the games that he did play. All Right,

659
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: a lot of talk about the offense. Let's switch it

660
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: up looking at the defense here on Cardinals Cover two

661
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: presented by Hunda, Pro partner of the Arizona Cardinals. What

662
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: stood out to you here this offseason when we talk

663
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: about the defense. Obviously no Chandler Jones the biggest hole

664
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: on this defense. Again, I know the Syracuse products, Paul,

665
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: just want to point that out as well. I was

666
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: adamant that he needed to be retained, not just because

667
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: of the alma mater, but I do think he is

668
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: one of the better edge rushers in the game. But

669
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: you do not have Chandler Jones this fense. What's it

670
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: gonna look like? What needs to be addressed? What did

671
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: you see? What did you hear? Things that were good,

672
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 1: things that were not so good? You know, you look

673
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: at the Cardinals defense and there's talent. There's a lot

674
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: of talent, but how's it going to come together? Where

675
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: are some of these guys gonna play? Ultimately, Isaiah Simmons, okay,

676
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: unbelievable talent, and he had a breakthrough year in a

677
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Now Vans Joseph has pumped the brakes

678
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: a little bit saying as many dynamic, outstanding plays as

679
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: he made, he has to remain consistent or definitely plays

680
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: that should have been made that we're not okay, but

681
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons and so we've noticed this during the open

682
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: portion of practice, he's quite often working with the safety, No,

683
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: not quite often, every single practice that has been open

684
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: STA media during the open portion, he's been working with

685
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: the safety, exclusively working with the safety. So what does

686
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: that mean? Does that mean that they're going to use

687
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: him in multiple spots, which I believe probably more than anyone.

688
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 1: I just every time I hear the Cardinals decision makers

689
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: talking about Isaiah Simmons is gonna be the weakside inside linebacker.

690
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: And then we get around to the season, because it

691
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: has been two years running and you see him in

692
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: five or six different spots he go, Okay, everybody's sandbagging

693
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: around here. It's gamesmanship from the coaches. But once again,

694
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, where exactly is he gonna play? Where is

695
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: he best served with his skill set? I'll even throw

696
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: in a Byron Murphy junior. Cliff Kingsbury has said more

697
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: than once that they would love to have him as

698
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: their inside slot corner. That's where he really excels. That's

699
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: where he's really elite. Now does he have the ability

700
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: to play outside? Absolutely, We've seen him out there a plenty,

701
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: But now with the tragic passing to Jeff Gladney, is

702
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: he gonna have to play out there? Just based on necessity? So,

703
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: and then there's a Zaven Collins once again, an unbelievable talent.

704
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: He's got all the measurables. You stand next to this dude,

705
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. He's he's legit almost six five, two hundred

706
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: and sixty pounds and he can move. But can he

707
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: be a mic linebacker? Can he call the defense? Can

708
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: he call the checks? Can the rest of the defense

709
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: trust and what he's telling them? And you have to

710
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: instantaneously react to what an offense is showing you. And

711
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: then make those adjustments before they snap the ball. So

712
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys that you look at

713
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: and go, okay, they're talented, but where they best served.

714
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: I'll even go with some of the rookies. You know

715
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: a Cameron Thomas who had his hand in the dirt

716
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: quite often in the college game. Is he truly an

717
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: outside linebacker? Now? I just did a recent big Red

718
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: rage with him. He'll look here in that I say, absolutely,

719
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm an outside linebacker. So, okay, Amyja Sanders, who you

720
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: watch at six foot five, the third round rookie had

721
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati. The athleticism just just getting through the bags,

722
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: and just the speed with the fluid he is movement.

723
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: You're like, okay, And we talked about this with Wolf before,

724
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: where there are a couple of positions as rookies where

725
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have to think you just have to

726
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: play running back would be one. Give him the ball,

727
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: just let him run, make his reads in his cuts.

728
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: You know, if you have a situational pass rusher like

729
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: amij Sanders, go get the quarterback at second and long,

730
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: third and long. But again, how are all these pieces

731
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: going to come together on defense? Because these are guys

732
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: who have played different positions at time, and how ultimately

733
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: are they going to be used by Vance Joseph. That

734
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: to me is the most intriguing thing when we get

735
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: to August. A lot more questions on the defensive side

736
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: of the ball. But if you have an offense that's

737
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: scoring thirty thirty five points like this team was a

738
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: year ago, then you just need to hold your opponent down. Now.

739
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: I do think it's a defense that's capable of but

740
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: I share the same questions and thoughts. Isaiah Simmons, Yes,

741
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: Vans Joseph quote he is a linebacker first. Simmons said,

742
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: linebacker is the main focus at the end of the day.

743
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: I have not seen him play linebacker at all this offseason.

744
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: Zaven Collins, where is he heading into year two? Some

745
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: of his comments to the media earlier this offseason talking

746
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: about how well he thought he played outside linebacker late

747
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: last season. That was by necessity they needed him, plus

748
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: he just needed to get on the football field. Is

749
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: he better suited to rush the quarterback get into the backfield.

750
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: That's not what he was drafted for. But if you

751
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: make that commitment, not just because of the first round

752
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: draft status, but that is a that's a huge investment.

753
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: So you just need him on the football field. But

754
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: you get rid of Jordan Hicks, And I share the

755
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: same opinion as you had late last season, Baul. If

756
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: Hicks is on this roster, he's not beating out Zaven Collins.

757
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: You had to get rid of Jordan Hicks in order

758
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: for Zaven Collins to take that next step to not

759
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: feel any pressure or that, you know, tap on the

760
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: shoulder looking over his shoulder. Yet has Collins been able

761
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: to assume that role? Quote, I could be the man

762
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: in the middle. I could be somewhere in the middle,

763
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: but not call it, meaning calling the defense. Do we

764
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: see more Nick Vigil calling the defense then we anticipated

765
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: expected or should see? In twenty twenty two, Zaven Collins

766
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: offered that up himself to the media that there are

767
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: scenarios where he's not calling the defense. And you know what,

768
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: he didn't get a lot of meaningful defensive snaps, certainly

769
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: a mic linebacker. He did not not with Jordan Hicks,

770
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: who played the most defensive snaps of any player on

771
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: the Cardinals d a year ago, and he was the

772
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: second leading tackler. So you know, Jordan Hicks was voted

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00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: to team captain by that locker room, even though at

774
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: the time he wasn't supposedly the starter. So the players know,

775
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: the players know, and the coaches know that. The players

776
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: realize who's worthy of the playing time, and you can't

777
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: risk losing the locker room if the guy is not

778
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: ready or capable, because it's all predicated on the best

779
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: player plays. And yeah, salary gets factored in absolutely, and

780
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: draft status gets factored in, and you get every chance

781
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: to win that job. Sometimes you get multiple chances to

782
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: win that job if you're paid highly or drafted highly.

783
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: But in this case, if you're not capable, then you

784
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: can't have that be the liability that takes down you're

785
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: Let's go back to the opening game twenty sixteen, and

786
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: there was a third round rookie corner by the name

787
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: of Brandon Williams. The Cardinals were playing the New England Patriots.

788
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: It was Jimmy g and it was at home. And

789
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: that was the much balho twenty sixteen season where the

790
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 1: Cardinals did less with more than maybe any recent season

791
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: in history. And BA kept repeatedly pointing to that week

792
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: one loss, close loss against the Patriots, and the key

793
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: play was a blown coverage by the rookie where Pat

794
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: p and Tyron Matthews sort of looked at each other

795
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: and everyone and they made a check and the rookie

796
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: didn't get it, and all of a sudden there's a

797
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: receiver running free down the facardline. Chris Hogan, I think

798
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: it was anyway, Jimmy g hit him and the forty

799
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: yard touchdown, and guess what that was a difference in

800
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: the game. So can you risk that if you're the

801
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals was zaving Collins. Yes, there's gonna come a

802
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: time where he's gonna have to learn on the job.

803
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: But if that learning curve is too risky. And you

804
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: heard Vance Joseph this offseason, what I thought was a

805
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: telling comments say that I can simplify the defense, and

806
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: I have simplified the defense, but it still has to

807
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: be a challenge to an NFL offense. Need it can't

808
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: get so remedial that imposing an NFL quarterback goes really

809
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: and he's looking over centering on really, Okay, I can

810
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: read this like, you know, like it's size thirty fun

811
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: on a prompter, like you know, it's the big fun

812
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 1: at the eye exam. So there's got to be something

813
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: challenging about the defense to make a quarterback think or

814
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a really long day on that field.

815
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: It goes back to the expectation of Isaiah Simmons his

816
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: first year in the game against San Francisco and all

817
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: of a sudden, that quick slant and Simmons was out

818
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: of position. We got along. I thought it was a

819
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: touchdown or at least a sixty plus yard will sketch

820
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: and run, and all of a sudden, Simmons was done.

821
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: I mean he was out of sight, out of mind.

822
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: You can't you can't afford to miss on these players,

823
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: but you can also can't afford to put them in

824
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: positions that they're just not quite ready. Simmons did take

825
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: that step forward. Can Collins now take that step forward?

826
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Speaker 1: And that's a great recollection. Why am I going back

827
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen when the two and twenty COVID season,

828
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: because I vividly remember sitting there in Sea the stadium's empty.

829
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: Not only is the stadium empty, but there were wildfires

830
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: and I mean the smoke in the air. I mean

831
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: there were a tick under the acceptable air level air

832
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: pollution level because of the smoke. That game was like

833
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: surreal in so many ways, and that of course, the

834
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: Cardinals came back and got that Week one win against

835
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: the defending NFC champions, so that was a big win

836
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: and a big start to that season. But you're right,

837
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: that game almost that play almost cost the Cardinals the game.

838
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: That blown assignment, and you can't in considering it's the

839
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: same coaching staff. You can't tell me that doesn't resonate

840
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: and they don't think, okay, we can't let that. We

841
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: can't have that happen in Week one against Patrick Mahomes.

842
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: You can't give Patrick Mahomes anything much less a mental

843
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: error that would result in a big play. I'm fascinated

844
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: by the inside linebackers how that will materialize, and then

845
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: obviously who's lining up where the cornerback situation obviously is

846
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: the most pressing need on this team that needs to

847
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: be addressed defensively. You brought it up, Jeff Glad. Unfortunate, tragic,

848
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: Yet as we heard from both Cliff Kingsbury and Vince Joseph,

849
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: we have to move on. The game doesn't slow down

850
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: and it's the business of football. But this team needs

851
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: to figure out what they're going to do because right now,

852
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: Paul Byron Murphy, Marco Wilson, and Antonio Hamilton those are

853
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: your top three corners. And if you want Murphy in

854
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: the slot, Wilson on one side, who's on the other side?

855
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: So who? And we know Robert Alford is still out

856
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: there and he is certainly knowledgeable of this defense and capable.

857
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: But is it going to be by committee? Is it

858
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: someone else? But they need to figure out what they're

859
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: gonna do at the cornerback position. And he's self proclaimed

860
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: ready to roll based on his Twitter account recently, Robert

861
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: Alford sorry cryptic, Yeah, and his tweets? Is that a

862
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: matter of time? Is that almost a you know, a

863
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: done deal? Is he just sort of playing it as

864
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: a ploy to miss all this offseason stuff and it'll

865
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: show up in training camp? Obviously he moves, he knows

866
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: the defense. He wouldn't be the first VET to pull

867
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: that stunt, so no doubt about that. Then again, the

868
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: Cardinals have some money to deal with, do they not?

869
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: Because of the Jordan Phillips post June first cut designation.

870
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: Once you got around to the month of June, the

871
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: guess what, The Cardinals got an extra ten million dollars

872
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: under the cap to make a move, you gotta think

873
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: that corner is gonna be the first priority. Could there

874
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: also be a time time sign at Edge Rusher? Are

875
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: you still looking for a veteran known entity at Edge?

876
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I look at that and you have Marcus

877
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: Gold on one side. You have a Devon Canard on

878
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: the other side. I'm guessing it's his job to lose.

879
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: As Devon Canard told us on a recent edition of

880
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: The Big Red Rage, he look me right in the

881
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: eye when I asked him that question. He said, well,

882
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: I'd been a starter everywhere I'd been in the NFL

883
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: until I got to Arizona, and he sort of let

884
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: that hang. I said, okay, fair enough, And you know what,

885
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: he's really stout against the running. He's great at setting

886
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: the edge, no question about that. Does he have the

887
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: ability to consistently hit and harass a quarterback? We'll find

888
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: out once again. I think he's gonna get every chance.

889
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: And then you have a Dennis Gardeck who says, you

890
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: know what, I thought I was back last year, but

891
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: until I got through this offseason and got back on

892
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: the field in April, I realized, no, no, I really

893
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: am back now and here too, coming off the torn

894
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,240
Speaker 1: acl because remember that was in week fifteen of twenty twenty.

895
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: That was late in that season. And if you go

896
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: back to that Philadelphia game where he wrecked his knee

897
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: and had to be carted off that field, he was

898
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: an absolute game difference maker. He had a couple of sacks,

899
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: he had a couple of tackles for loss. He was

900
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: all over that field. So if he can somehow regain

901
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: that and get back. And you know what Charlie Bullen

902
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: told us in the Big Red Rage as well, great,

903
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: and we've really featured the outside linebacker spot here recently.

904
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: He said, you know what, I know he only had

905
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: one sack a year ago coming off the knee injury.

906
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: But when you watched the film, he was still a problem.

907
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: He was still a penetrator, and he was still getting

908
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: past his blocker, and he was he was freeing other

909
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: guys up to get in and hit the quarterback because

910
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: you know, he was just he was just a game

911
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: wrecker inside. And so that was good to hear, actually,

912
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: because remember they gave him three years, twelve million dollars.

913
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: He's not back on a one year deal. They saw enough,

914
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: so okay, Dennis Gardeck. Then you have the two rookies,

915
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: Cameron Thomas, the aforementioned my j Sanders. Every one of

916
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: those guys is a different body type. They're really different.

917
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: So if you're going to use a rotation out there

918
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: opposite Marcus Golden, just that in and of itself will

919
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: be a challenge for the tackle because you're not gonna

920
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: be DJ Humphreys talks about this. You know what, if

921
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: they're giving me one pass rusher all game, great, I'll

922
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: learn his moves, I know what to anticipate. But if

923
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: you're giving me a different guy snap to snap, different

924
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: body type, different speed, they're bringing different moves, that is

925
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: much more of a challenge to try and keep that

926
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: guy off my quarterback. So maybe maybe some way, that

927
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: is the thinking by Advanced Joseph. They if they don't

928
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: end up getting a time time sign it outside linebacker,

929
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: and it doesn't just have to be well, we'll measure

930
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: it by the number of sacks, because if you're just

931
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: disrupting the quarterback, getting him off his spot, and you're

932
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 1: going to need a presence in that opponent's backfield, especially

933
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: with the cornerback situation, it kind of goes hand in hand.

934
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: If you've got great corners, then you can afford to

935
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: maybe not have a Chandler Jones. But if you don't

936
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: have a Chandler Jones, now all of a sudden you

937
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: need someone to get into the backfield because you don't

938
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: have that solid secondary. You know what comes first, the

939
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: chicken or the egg kind of a thing as far

940
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: as what to address. And as Isaiah Simmons said recently, saying,

941
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: you know what, Chandler, you knew the ball was coming

942
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: out fast, quote unquote, just Chandler being a Hall of

943
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: Fame pass rusher, a guy with more than a hundred

944
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 1: sacks on his resume. Now was he the team leader

945
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: in the sack department last year? No, Marcus Golden actually

946
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: had one more sack than he did. Buddy did lead

947
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: the airs on the Cardinals and QB prushers. So there's that,

948
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,479
Speaker 1: and there's just the fact that an offensive coordinator going

949
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: into a game against the Cardinals the past five years

950
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: would start by saying, how are we going to account

951
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: for and block fifty five? And before the Cardinals made

952
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 1: the trade for Chandler Jones, that was the big need

953
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: ass rusher the other team had to account four. So

954
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Now, Well, we'll start to get

955
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: an idea week one against against Kansas City. But if

956
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: you're telling me that Vance Joseph is going to half

957
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: to rely on scheme and getting exotic and varied with

958
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: defensive sets and now he's bringing the bleats and bringing numbers,

959
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,959
Speaker 1: you know that's risky. It's can it be effective? Sure?

960
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones went down in twenty twenty in Game five.

961
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: I was there in New York, another totally empty stadium

962
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: in the COVID year where we're up in the mezzanine

963
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: level because they would't let us anywhere near the sideline

964
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: and you could hear every word on the stinking Cardinals

965
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: sideline because it would just echo throughout the whole stadium.

966
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: And Chandler Jones went down with the torn muscle on

967
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: his arm and then boom. You know, the Cardinals ended

968
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: up with eighteen different players that season with a single

969
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: sack and a dozen players who had two sacks or more.

970
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: So it can be done. It has been done. But

971
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: the Cardinals also had a son Reddick that year who

972
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: had twelve and a half sacks. I have the utmost

973
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: confidence and Vance Joseph to be able to scheme it up.

974
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: The question the concern is does he have the talent.

975
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: The players are on the football field, not vance Joseph,

976
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: So that to me, because he is a great defensive coordinator,

977
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: does he have the players to be able to put

978
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: in motion what he sets forth each and every week.

979
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: And you know, there's one player who might be the

980
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: key to the entire season and we haven't mentioned him yet.

981
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: Have you heard of a guy named JJ Watt? Cardinals

982
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: were seven and oh when JJ Watt was healthy, and

983
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't just his play and the fact that he

984
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: commands a double team and the fact that if you

985
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 1: look at his last four games before he went down

986
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: with the shoulder injury, I mean, he was all over

987
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: the statue. There were games where he had a ton

988
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 1: of pressures and quarterback hits and tackles for loss and

989
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: just tackles period. But it goes beyond that for me,

990
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: Greg And it's something we saw at the end of

991
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: the mandatory mini camp and there was the team gathered

992
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: around Cliff King's ry and the head coach would have

993
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: something to say and I'm guessing he told him, guess

994
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: what you're off there's no practice tomorrow. Whether they knew

995
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: that or not, because they got a good rise out

996
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: of everyone after Cliff Kingsbury spoke to him. But Number

997
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: ninety nine had a very emphatic, demonstrative talk with the team.

998
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: And what we've heard adecdotally behind the scenes, not specifically

999
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: that speech and whatever he said to the guys, but

1000
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: what the Cardinals didn't realize in signing JJ Watt is

1001
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 1: just what a leader he is behind the scenes, how

1002
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: often he does talk to the team, how much respect

1003
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 1: he commands. And I'll just tell you being down on

1004
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: that sideline JJ Watt, when he was in uniform and

1005
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: he was playing and leading, it's sort of like, I

1006
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: don't know, walking into a biker bar and you got

1007
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: a badass black belt on your arm, you know what,

1008
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: You're a little more mouthy walking into that bar when

1009
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: you got a personal protector with you that's capable of

1010
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: Jack snopping anyone in there. Right, That's sort of the

1011
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: element JJ Watt brings. You go into that fight that

1012
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: is an NFL game, and you just feel that much

1013
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: more fortified and convicted that we have a chance to

1014
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: win because we've got big bad Number ninety nine and

1015
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: so if you told me, if you gave me one

1016
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: wish this year, it would be the following that JJ

1017
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: Watt has a healthy campaign and that he is there

1018
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: every single Sunday, for every single game because he is

1019
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: that sort of difference maker, not just on the field,

1020
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: but the vibe on the sideline. And guys just believe

1021
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: when JJ Watt is there in uniform, Kingsbury can pray

1022
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: it compared it to the Brady effect. Tom Brady comes

1023
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: in and what happens elevates everyone's game on both sides

1024
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: of the wall. You just want to play better, not

1025
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: to disappoint JJ Watt, You want to play better. And

1026
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: obviously with him on the football field, much like Chandler Jones,

1027
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: where's number ninety nine, you have to account for him.

1028
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: Maybe that opens up something on the other side for

1029
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden or Zach Allen. I mean, think about Tom

1030
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: Brady come into Tampa just real quick. They went what

1031
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: a dozen years without even making the playoffs. He shows up,

1032
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: they had largely the same roster, and they win the

1033
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He was the culture. Tom Brady was a culture,

1034
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: not unlike Kurt Warner was the culture when he came

1035
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: in and really reverse things for the Cardinals. That's the

1036
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: most instrumental moment in the last thirty years in Arizona

1037
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: Cardinals history was Kurt Warner not settling for just making

1038
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs, but making a playoff run. Carson Palmer when

1039
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: he was here, would run that Friday practice. And so

1040
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: JJ Watt is that guy in the defensive his side.

1041
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: You know, there were times when the Cardinals really rolling

1042
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 1: back in twenty fifteen and you would see a Tyrn

1043
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: Matthew who is the heartbeat of the defense. He would

1044
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: be the guy delivering that speech before the game and people, aw, come,

1045
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: that's high school Harry stuff. No, it's not. Guys, look

1046
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: at that stuff, and it gets him ready to play.

1047
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: Carlos Danzery when he came in that next year, wasn't

1048
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: exactly he wasn't in the prime of his career, but

1049
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: he was that guy who was that team leader. And

1050
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: so it's necessary and JJ Watt really excels in that role.

1051
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: And he's just the rising tide that lifts all boats

1052
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: on that sideline when he's healthy and he's in uniform.

1053
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: And once again, that would be my one wish. You've

1054
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: given one wish. The Genie out of the bottle. I

1055
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: would say, just keep him healthy. I'll take JJ Watt

1056
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: for seventeen games. Doesn't have to be a lot of sacks,

1057
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: but just being on the football field I think would

1058
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: make a huge impact for the Cardinals in twenty twenty two.

1059
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: All right, Paul, anything else you got here before you

1060
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: hop on that private jet for your summer break until

1061
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: training camp? Yeah? Exactly. You know, as a you know,

1062
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: I can't even you know, if I had a jet,

1063
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: I couldn't even afford the fuel right now? Are you

1064
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: kidding me? So? Yeah, it's a double you know what

1065
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean? I think and I try and rewind everything

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00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: that happened in the offseason. Obviously, Kyler Murray is still

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00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: a big question. What do you believe? Do you believe?

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Speaker 1: A Mike Garafolo, who when Kyler showed up for the

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00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: OTAs couple weeks ago the first time, said that he

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00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: showed up in hopes of sparking further conversations. Then maybe

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00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: things had stalled. So we tend to think it's imminent.

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Speaker 1: Is it? Has anyone actually said that? I know Cliff

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00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: Kingsbury has made it sort of sound that way. I

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Speaker 1: believe I heard you say June thirteenth was your predicted

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Speaker 1: date of a contract extension, and we speak here on oh, yes,

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Speaker 1: June fifteenth. Yes, yes, In hindsight, I should have had

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Speaker 1: them go back and edit that tape and put in

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00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,959
Speaker 1: August thirteenth. That'd be a much more viable date. And look,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to believe necessarily. Look I do believe.

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00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: Look this is my own personal opinion. Nobody's told me this.

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00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: I just think the agent has been counterproductive, I really do.

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00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure a deal would have been done by now,

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00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: but it certainly didn't help, absolutely not to have the

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00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: agent go out, because teams are not going to a

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00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: react kindly to that sort of rhetoric. B they're not

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00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: gonna want to set a precedent that, you know what,

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00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: we're going to adhere to the agent's timetable. So if

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00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: you told me that a team would respond to an

1089
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: agent's manifesto like that by saying, you know what, we're

1090
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: gonna purposely make you wait, just to prove our point

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00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: that we're not going to be influenced in any way

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00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: by any of your tactics. I would believe that. But

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00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: at the same time, this is a massive expenditure of

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00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: funds by any NFL team, He's gonna set a franchise

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00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: record by a country mile in terms of value of

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00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: the contract. Whether he's there for day one a camp,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you believe things like Michael Irvan

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00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: and the NFL network saying in May that I was

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00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: sitting next to Kyler courtside for a Dallas Maverick's playoff

1100
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: game and he said, I'm not showing up unless I'm paid. So, okay,

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00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: was this a good faith effort the OTA and the

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00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: mandatory mini camp? Was Kyler here and harps in hopes

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00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 1: of what Mike Garret Folo said, resparking another round of

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00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: negotiations and getting closer to signing on the line that

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00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: has dotted? Or are you tracking for a training camp holdout?

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00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: We honestly don't know. We have no idea and so

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00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 1: and you know what, no one could sit here and

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00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: say if Kyler isn't there for training camp that that's

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00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: a positive. It just isn't. And there are new receivers

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00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: and minus d hop there's going to be some new

1111
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: schemes to be learned, and you want to you want

1112
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: that chemistry in that connection between your quarterback and your receivers.

1113
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: It is vital. Our lasting memory of last season, at

1114
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: least to me, is the Rams going down the field

1115
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: for a Super Bowl winning drive and all they had

1116
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: was Cooper Cup. Every other receiver was out of the game,

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00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: and they made it work. And they made it work

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00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: four for four Matthew Stafford a Cooper Cup despite the

1119
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: fact that he was getting double and triple teamed. And

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Speaker 1: then you learned after the game that they were showing

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00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: up at six in the morning during the season and

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00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: working on that chemistry, being at that right spot at

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00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: the right time, and that precision and so you know what,

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00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: that is important in this game where a couple inches

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00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: can decide a game, where a single play can decide

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00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: a game. So we'll see it all hangs in the balance.

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00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: My final word is this Hard Knocks has shown up

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00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: for the end of the season. They might want to

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00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: rethink that and show up for the beginning of the season,

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00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: starting with camps. They should have been here the entire offseason,

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00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: considering as much stuff that has happened here through not

1132
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: just OTAs in mini camp, but you're talking about the

1133
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: draft and free aided. So yeah, it has been it

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00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: has been an eventful Yeah, five months since the Cardinals

1135
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: last played a football game in Los Angeles. I mean

1136
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Speaker 1: HBO is leaving a lot of good content on that

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Speaker 1: cutting room floor by not showing up in the offseason

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Speaker 1: or in the preseason. Good stuff, Paul looking forward to it,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. And by the way, burd Gang mentioned this

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Speaker 1: off the top quick programming note, we are hitting pause

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals Covered two. Much more in the days and

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Speaker 1: weeks to come, but for now, as always, thanks to

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Speaker 1: our producer Joe Mamahndro for Paul Calbisi, I'm greig Rio Loup.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the summer. Bird Gang