WEBVTT - Draft Show: Stick & Pick or Trade Down? 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:10.119 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.920 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.759 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:23.720 Dallas Cowboys like T. D. Lambs and now your hosts 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:31.040 Dane Brugler, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans. There 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:35.640 are one hundred in twenty seven days until the NFL 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.080 Draft April twenty ninth, of twenty twenty one. We are 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.960 on the last episode of twenty twenty though, actually I 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:44.880 take that back. We've got one more, I guess next week, 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.400 but the last one with these two guys, Jeff Cavanaugh 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.680 and Dane Brugler. I'm Kyle Yeoman's here on the Dallas 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:55.640 Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Welcome in, everybody, Glad you're 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.920 with us. We're gonna hit a ton of names today 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.200 because you know, it's the Hall of Day season and 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.960 we're gonna gift a ton of names off of the 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.640 list of Dane Brugler and Jeff Cavanaugh here over the 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:11.679 next forty five minutes. No Kat today is he is 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.240 out at the moment, but we wish Kat the best. 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.080 We won't have him back on once the new year turns. 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.280 But I want to address something really quickly right off 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.760 the top of this show, and we're gonna talk about 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.039 the number one overall pick. We're gona talk about the Cowboys. 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.960 But the Cowboys gotta win. On Sunday, they defeated the 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.800 San Francisco forty nine ers forty one to thirty three, 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.440 and Jeff is Jeff is pumping his fist, but he 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:40.520 also on our little WebEx call said rip to Captain 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.639 trade down. Jeff is Captain trade Down dead at the moment, 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:48.120 he is he done because of this Cowboys win. Well, 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.240 dead is a very extreme term, but I guess I 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:56.800 did put our ip. He did so Team Tank Team 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.280 Tank through a tread so it's kind of stuck and 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:03.520 doing circle and Captain Trade Down has been unseated from 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.680 the horse. He couldn't hold on for the eight seconds 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.320 and he broke a leg. So, yeah, we're in a 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.400 tough spot. We're currently Uh, I'm gonna have to get 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.080 a new shirt. You see, you have to capt trade 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:16.720 down shirt. He kept trade down but yeah, thank you. Um, 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.360 I'm gonna have to get a Captain stick and pick shirt. 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.720 I guess I'm gonna have to do something different. Cap 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.600 captain trade down's in peril or in peril right now? 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.600 He sent a little bit of trouble And Dan, I 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.040 know you had talked about earlier in one of the 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.000 previous shows that we had that you were okay with 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.239 trading down. Are you are you on Captain sticking Pick's 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.359 right hand side this time? Are you are you rolling 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.640 with still with captain trade down? As the Cowboys currently 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:48.520 sitting ninth, Yeah, and well last week they were with 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.359 that Charger's win, it felt like the Cowboys were in 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.200 a position of power at that number four pick. Uh, 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:58.040 a good spot for a training back, uh, quarterback a 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.160 needy team moving up there now sitting at eight, I 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.960 still think they're in a position to trade back. You know, 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.079 you look at some of the teams that are directly 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:09.440 behind them. There's still gonna be some teams looking for 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.240 a quarterback. Whether that's the forty nine ers, uh, you know, 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:15.440 could be the Broncos, could be a Lions, the Patriots, 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.280 the Bears. So this is still a position where good 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:23.799 chance at least one of those quarterbacks, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:27.120 Zach Wilson, whoever ends up being there, could could be 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.480 a possible trade partner where they can move back to 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.720 the mid teens, and I still like their options. They 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.320 could go corner, they go jac Horn, they could go 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.400 tackle or Sean Slater. So I don't think the trade 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.640 back option is dead, and I think that it just 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:46.560 it just it brings up a new different scenario with 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:49.280 the players that you're moving back to get. And I'd 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.400 still do it if it means I'm getting an extra 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.440 two or multiple draft multiple draft picks that I can 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.520 use towards just building up this roster. See, Jeff Dane 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.760 is right there. I mean he's helping captain trade No. No, 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:08.680 he's sitting here pushing you know. No, No, we appreciate it. Look, 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.200 captain trade down, and I appreciate it. Even though we're 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:14.800 the same person. We like we like the boost. But 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.040 when Dane's not realizing is the Cowboys are about to 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.760 win the division. So I just don't even worry about 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:28.280 any of this stuff. It's about to go down. Dwayne. 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.840 Dwayne Haskins has been up to, are you captain trade up? 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.320 At that point? If the Cowboys win the division, now 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.320 we're just gonna do the draft. Now, Okay, we're just 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.600 gonna do the draft. Okay, we're gonna watch. Yeah, we're 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:41.680 gonna watch the guys, and we're gonna figure this thing out. 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.400 If trade down is a possibility, it'll be great. Won't 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.400 have the same value that I once thought it would 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.800 because the Cowboys are winning games, but hey, you're supposed 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.160 to win the games. That's what it's all about. Guys. 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.480 You're supposed to try your best. Yeah. I would never 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.640 tell them not to try their best. Good job, I 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.400 like that, Jeff staying positive here. Now, that's one of 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.080 the interesting things about doing this show a little bit 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.359 earlier this year than we've done it in the past 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.520 in terms of the draft show, is we get to 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.240 kind of look at the fluctuation of value. I mean, 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.520 two weeks ago we were talking about the Cowboys maybe 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.840 picking third overall. They're currently sitting at eighth, and a 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:21.240 win next week could put them right in the eleven, twelve, thirteen, 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:26.000 fourteen range whenever April comes around. But it also is 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.880 interesting to look at from an overall draft perspective because 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.560 we thought through the first fifteen weeks of the year 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.080 that the New York Jets We're gonna be the first 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.840 overall pick and Dane. Now we know that is at 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.880 least in peril. You talk about captain trade down being 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:41.760 in peril. The Jets are in peril of having that 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.880 number one pick because they beat the Los Angeles Rams 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.640 this past week, giving up that first overall pick to 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.320 the Jacksonville Jaguars. What do you think about that scenario 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.640 and how that switched around so quickly for Jets fans, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.960 it's fascinating. You know, for the longest time time we 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.640 just kind of assumed that the Jets would be picking one. 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:09.000 They couldn't win a game, even when they had to win, 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.159 like against the Raiders, they found a way to screw 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:12.960 it up. So it just seemed like they were destined 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.400 for that top pick. And in this draft, that's what 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:18.840 you want. This is the draft where there is a 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.599 big time quarterback prospect staring them in the face with 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.000 Trevor Lawrence. And with that win, they're now tied with 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:29.159 the Jaguars, and the Jaguars have mathematically clinched the tiebreaker. 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.560 So if both these teams, the Jags and the Jets, 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.240 lose their final two games, then the Jaguars will have 0:06:36.279 --> 0:06:38.840 that number one pick. Trevor Lawrence will be the guy, 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.080 and the Jets find themselves in an interesting situation where 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.680 they have to basically put Sam Darnold on their draft 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.240 board and figure out, Okay, are we better off sticking 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:53.920 with Darnald and drafting Penney Suel here where we could 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.880 have bookend tackles with McKay, Beckton and Penney Suel. Do 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.960 we go Jamar Chase here and we give Sam darn 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.559 Arnold a big time wide receiver that can make plays 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.000 down the field. So or maybe they are captain trade down, 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:09.360 maybe they look to move back and because they need 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.560 more draft picks, they need a lot of help elsewhere. 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.480 So the Jets, you know, last week it was it 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.800 was easy. Trevor Lawrence is the top pick, and you 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:19.320 start thinking about what you're gonna do with that second 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:23.239 first rounder and then in the second round, now wide 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.960 open options, and it starts. The first step is figuring 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:29.920 out Sam Darnold, where he is in relation to these 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.600 quarterback prospects and do they feel comfortable moving forward with 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.160 him as their quarterback? Where do you put Sam Darnold 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.080 on this board if you're if you're evaluating him up 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.600 against these quarterbacks, and Jeff, I want to ask you 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:45.640 the same question. But Dane, where do you put where 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.800 do you put Sam? And where does he rank in 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.360 terms of the tree Lances, the zach Wilsons and the 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:54.840 Justin fields of the world. It's so tough for us 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:57.600 to say, I mean, I love Sam Darnold coming out 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:02.840 as a prospect, But the Jets have a unique have 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:05.120 the information right now. You know, how is Sam doing 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.040 in meetings? You know, how is he doing in the 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.320 quarterback film room, how is he doing digesting the playbook 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.960 and then you know, doing what is asked of him 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.240 behind the scenes. We just don't have that information, so 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:18.880 it is a little tough for those of us on 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.520 the outside to one hundred percent know where he would 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.000 stack up with these other quarterbacks. Uh. You know, the 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.880 Jets could look at it and say, you know what, 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.880 we like Sam, but it's just it's not working and 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.760 he needs a change of scenery. We need new life 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.480 at this position, and they can decide the part ways 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:38.280 and that's just you know, what's best for everybody. Or 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.800 they could say, you know what, Sam's doing everything that 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.079 he can. Let's get a new coach in here. Let's 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:45.439 see how he does with new coaching staff. Let's build 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:48.360 up the roster around him and we think we have 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:53.040 something and that's that's probably the most likely scenario. But 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.600 you know, who knows. We just don't know what's going 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.640 on behind the scenes there uh in New York, and 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.360 it's it's it's tough or Darnald because he has not 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.160 had the wide receivers, he has not had the offensive line, 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.720 he has not had the coaching. I know I sound 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.600 like a Darnald apologist right now, but try winning without 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.079 at least one or two of those three things. It's 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:16.840 just it's not going to happen. Yeah, Dane is a 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.800 He's a Sam Darnold homer, and that happens from time 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.920 to time. You know, when I love a guy. I know, 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.719 I think it's it's a it's a fair point that 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.240 every quarterback has different circumstances when they come into the league. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.920 But for me, I think if the Jets and so 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.920 many teams call me for my draft advice, I'm sure 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.280 Jets are one of them, would I would say, you 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.839 have three years of evidence that he can't play, so 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.840 we're gonna try somebody else. And yeah, he didn't have 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.559 as nearly as good a shot as guys who go 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.880 into much better circumstances. But I got three years were 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.599 coming towards the end of him being an affordable quarterback, 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:56.079 and I got three years. That says that he's not good. 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:01.440 So I would try somebody else. Now, on doing the 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.760 draft show on Cowboys dot Com, I would love it 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.560 if the Jets would just stick and pick Piney Seul 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.040 and kind of throw a wrench into things. Where, now, 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.439 what do the Bengals do? And are the quarterbacks going 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:16.880 to stretch one more pick or are people just jumping 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.320 in more of a hurry to go get a guy. 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.240 So from a Cowboys perspective, I hope the Jets do 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.240 pick second, and I hope they do skip quarterback so 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:28.800 that those can stretch a little bit and maybe one 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.439 can be there for you to trade down with. But 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:33.839 I would tell the Jets, look, three years is three 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:37.319 years he's been a bad NFL quarterback. Try somebody else. 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.440 So basically what I'm hearing here is captain trade down 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.800 is not actually off the horse, because you just gave 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.880 me a scenario where captain trade downs there, and I 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:47.600 know things can change and there's a lot that goes 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:53.400 into it. Look, but I'm never off the horse. Okay, okay, 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.679 I'm always on the horse. Okay, what I am is 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.720 I'm an emotional person reacting to adversity. Okay, the Captain 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.480 trade Down hit some adversity this week, lost some value 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.880 in his pick. And so now Captain trade Down is 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:07.680 sitting here to Crossroads on a gympie ankle with a 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.720 bad quad, trying to hold onto the horse, and he's wondering, well, 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.719 now do we want to chase down this way to 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.080 two wins? While Dwayne Haskins is at gentleman's establishments, maybe 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.680 about to get suspended. Maybe Washington's gonna lose two games 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:20.839 in a row, and I'm about to go into the 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.120 playoffs because I go to and oh, or is Captain 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.440 trade Down still trying to lose two games? He doesn't know? 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.400 Captain trade Down is confused right now? That's all? Okay, 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.480 that's that's It's something that I guess you could look 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.880 at at this point in the draft. But also, I 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.000 mean you talk about the Cowboys in a scenario that 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.559 could work out for him or them I guess not him, 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:43.160 not Captain Traddown, but for them. Whenever it comes to 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.680 the Cincinnati Bengals potentially taking a non quarterback behind the 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.800 Jets taking a non quarterback, and it takes those guys 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.439 off the board. But Jeff, you asked the question in 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.920 the group me this weekend or the group text this 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.920 weekend that whenever it comes to being in the top ten, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.280 there's a lot of pressure on these organizations. And right 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:05.920 now the Cowboys currently sit inside that top ten. But 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:09.120 you don't want to bust. You want to have those 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:13.360 specific needs to fill. But right now, what position do 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:16.680 you feel comfortable taking in the top ten, mister Kavanaugh, 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.640 Because right I know you said it. I think Dane's 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:21.760 on this board. I think I'm on this board as well. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.559 But there's a lot of offensive guys you feel comfortable 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.800 with in the top ten, but you need a defensive 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:30.240 player that's going to be a game changer. Yeah, And 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.240 I think that's the problem because for me and I 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.160 get a lot of pushback from a lot of Cowboy 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.360 fans for this. I don't care what you need. I 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.840 don't care. If I can make it line up with 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.600 the board better and pick a guy, then that's okay. 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.280 But if you're picking a defensive player because you need 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.480 help on defense, you're failing at drafting and you're failing 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.000 at building your team. If you're picking I'm just gonna 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.960 pick a random number. If you're picking eighth and you're 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.280 ten best players on your board or offense, but you 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.400 reach because you have a position in need, I'll enjoy 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:02.520 Taco Charlton. I know that's not in the top ten, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.080 but you have a top ten pick. You're supposed to 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.640 pick the best football player because for a half decade 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.720 he's going to be yours, and in the top ten, 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:11.480 he's also going to make a lot of money in 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.600 a salary cap league. You don't want to bust on 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.640 a top ten pick. If my best player plays a 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.760 position that I don't quote need, I'm gonna pick him anyway, 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.400 and then I'll make my roster work around it. I'll trade. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.840 I'll go trade from a position of strength to another 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.880 team to try to find a player. And we're going 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.400 to start out names here, but like Michael Gallup for 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.760 Juan Thornhill, who's become a rotational free safety in Kansas City. 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.040 Here have one year of an upgraded Sammy Watkins. I'll 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.600 take two years of an upgraded free safety for me 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:42.480 because I don't have a free safety on the roster 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.680 and Boom. I picked an offensive player in the first round. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.280 It's a it's a half decade pick that makes a 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:50.280 lot of money when you're picking in the top ten. 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:53.920 So to me, from the guys I've seen so far 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.960 in this draft, with all due respect to Micah Parsons 0:13:56.960 --> 0:14:00.520 and Caleb Farley and Patrick Surtan, I am more confident 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:05.680 that Piney Sewell, Rashaun Slater the Northwestern offensive tackle, Kyle 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.400 Pitts the Florida tight end, Jamar Chase the LSU wide receiver, 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.440 Davante Smith the Alabama wide receiver, and maybe let me 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.320 know about his ankle, but Jaylen Waddle the Alabama wide receiver. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.440 I'm more convinced that I'm not missing with all of 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.640 them than any defensive player in this draft. And so 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.600 that's the unique challenge that I think teams are going 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.800 to face. Because you need a corner, you need a 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:33.280 defensive tackle, you need pass rush. I don't care. I'm 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.840 not picking a worse player on purpose. Dan, Do you 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:41.800 agree that's absolutely? I think that's it. It'd be very 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.680 foolish to reach on a player in the top ten 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.520 because of need. It's just it's not a wise way 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.480 to build your roster you need to do. We talk 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.240 so much about the game of football being a game 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:59.560 of attrition. You know, the injuries happen guys, you know, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.200 the tal for players and they're effectiveness goes up and down. 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:05.880 At this time last year, we weren't really talking about 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.040 linebacker as a huge need for this team. But here 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.480 we are a year later, and it sure looks like 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:14.280 a need, and you just you never know. Now, I'm 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.000 not saying they should draft a wide receiver, you know, 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.440 with the way the current roster set up, but that 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:24.240 doesn't mean that you reach for a player that you're 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.240 not high on. Now. Right now, they're picking at eight, 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:32.040 and you know, I do think that Michael Parsons is 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:36.320 in that range, and you have to decide, Okay, an 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:40.040 off ball linebacker, can he give you enough where he's 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.920 worth that selection. I'm a top ten pick. Are you 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.440 going to use him enough as an edge rusher? Are 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:48.520 you going to use him? I mean, you know, the 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.880 snaps that he's going to play. Is the impact worth 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.800 a top ten pick? I think absolutely they could come 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.840 to that conclusion. Michael Parsons, you know, in one of 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.040 these corners, Caleb Farley, you know, in most years is 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:03.480 not going to be a top ten pick. He might 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.040 not be a top ten pick this year. In this draft, 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.720 he might be, and I you know, it's it makes 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.640 it for a I don't necessarily think that Caleb Farley 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.000 at eight would be a reach in this draft, just 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:18.200 the way that the top you know, picks are are 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.640 going to play out because we just don't have many 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:24.280 quote unquote elite players. So um, you know, if they're 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.000 in that eight to ten to twelve range when they draft, 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.040 that's right in the range where Parsons in these corners 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.960 are going to come off the board. So it's not 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.680 I don't think it's exactly a reach there is it 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.760 Maybe what you're hoping for, uh, you know, maybe not 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.120 in normal drafts, but this is this is the draft, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.320 this is we have to be realistic here. So while 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.000 I do agree that the best players in this draft 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.600 are on the offensive side of the ball, where they're 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.520 picking right now, I think is where you know, we're 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.280 not a four anymore. We're picking at eight, and so 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:56.480 that's when you start to think about Parsons or one 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:01.280 of these corners. What would be the reaction this fan base, Jeff, 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.840 whenever you go into I don't know if Roger Goodell 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.080 is going to be on a stage or back in 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.320 his basement in April, because none of us never really 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.520 know what's going on, especially right now. But when he 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:13.880 walks up and gets in front of the camera, he says, 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:18.479 Dallas Cowboys with the blank overall picks select this offensive player. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.400 What do you think the reaction is going to be 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:22.520 from a fan base, because you already said that you 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.720 caught some flat from Cowboys fans about picking best player 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.560 available and BPA has been something we've preached on this 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.240 show for a couple of years now. But is that 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.040 something that I think Cowboys fans would accept or is 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:41.960 it something they'd be very frustrated in? Maybe it depends. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.119 I think you could probably sell to the fan base, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.479 for instance, Kyle Pitts the Florida tight end more than 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:53.000 you could sell Jamar Chase or Davante Smith because they're receivers. 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.520 Although I call Kyle Pitts a receiver too. Yeah, but 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:57.480 just the fact that you call him a tight end, 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.520 I think would change the way that maybe the fan 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:01.800 base hood look at it. But you're gonna have a 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.080 lot of people who are just gonna be like, no, 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.679 this defense is bad. This defense is the problem. I 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.879 can't believe they keep making selections to try to score 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.159 more points when they can't stop anybody. And I get that, 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:15.600 but that's why there's multiple avenues to improving your team, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.360 and the top ten, to me, is not one where 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.080 you're flexible about that. Picking in the top ten, I'm 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.199 gonna pick the best player. Then I'm gonna look at 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.399 my roster. Then I'm going to figure out how to 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.520 make the best team and help my defense. There's other 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.720 rounds in the draft where I'm more willing to go need, 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.960 just not the first one and definitely not in the 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:38.679 top ten. So yeah, I think the fan I think 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:40.600 a lot of the fan base would kind of freak 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.000 out on you. Kind of they kind of freak out 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.280 on you. But I mean, okay, we talk him off 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:48.920 the ledge, we'll fix it. Make it okay, Dan, Jeff, 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.440 if I told you that Rashaun Slater was the pick 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.920 at eight, you're feeling good about that. Yeah, I'm fine 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.439 with that because I think he's one of my Like 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.200 right now, if you tell me I have a top 0:19:01.280 --> 0:19:06.000 eight pick, I have, Yeah, I have eight names. I 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.000 have eight names that I feel great about in this 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.960 draft class. And he's one of them, the eight, and 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:16.080 he's got a little more go for a day. He's 0:19:16.119 --> 0:19:19.680 got a little more proven versatility than a Penney Stool 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:22.120 where you know, we've we've been able to see him 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.480 right side, left side. He's got he could play guard. 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.159 Uh So he could come in and be uh to 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.480 do a lot of things for that offensive line while 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.719 still being the eventual left tackle whenever you know Tyrone 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:35.720 is no longer on the roster. I think he's a 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.639 better player than Penney sul whoa you have him above 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:43.439 him on his board and not on your board. No, Okay, 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.480 but he's But I think a better Stool is a 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.760 better prospect, and Slater is a better player player. Micah 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.679 Parsons is a better is a better prospect than Nick Bolton. 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.400 Nick Bolton's a better player than Michael Parsons. Yeah, that's 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.520 the way I see him. Okay, that's interesting. I think 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.399 it we dig into and believe me, I think I 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.119 think that one might that one might be spicy in people. 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.400 I think Missouri's Nick Bolton is a better player today 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:08.840 than Michael Parsons. I absolutely do. I kind of don't 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:11.280 disagree with you. I like Nick Bolton alive. I've liked 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.200 him since he was at Frisco Lone Star down the 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.280 road playing his high school ball. I've always been a 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:18.639 big fan of his. But I think there's always growth 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:22.440 that we had on this specific topic players versus prospects, 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.679 and we'll talk about that along down the road. But 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.040 I think whenever it comes to offensive tackle, that would 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.480 probably be the easiest sell for me if the Cowboys 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:32.520 were in the top eight and they took an offensive tackle, 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:34.520 especially if it's a slater or if it's a pin 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.359 a soul if he somehow falls due to the opt 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.280 out or something unforeseen at the moment. But if it's 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.480 an offensive tackle, I feel much better about a pick 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.399