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Speaker 1: He'll do whatever if Dan Quinn, Yeah, they'll pivot exactly.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's crazy to think they're an eleven

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Speaker 1: are not going anywhere, and they're some of the best

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Speaker 1: players in the league. The other thing is Kyle is

430
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Speaker 1: even in the struggles when you can run his offense.

431
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Speaker 1: That was the problem with Trey. He like had to

432
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Speaker 1: change his offense, and he's like, my whole thing is

433
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Speaker 1: my offense. So that's why they loved Party. And I'm

434
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Speaker 1: sure you saw the story Jed Yorke told him that.

435
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: Kyle in twenty twenty two in training camp said eight,

436
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 1: I think the best this is like two weeks in

437
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: the best quarterback on the roster. This guy we just

438
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: drafted the seventh round. They're like what and he was.

439
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: He wasn't making that up now, I was going to

440
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 1: those practices. It's hard to tell because he's running with

441
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: the threes. But they kept him on the roster for

442
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 1: a reason, like the coach really liked him. The rain

443
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: situation in Green Bay, he was really bad. I do

444
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: think the second half against Detroit, like I thought, their

445
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: defense really let him down. The forty nine Ers are

446
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: an offensive team. When you go back to the last

447
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: Super Bowl these two teams played, the Niners were a

448
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: defensive team and the Chiefs were an unreal offensive team.

449
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: Well look at this this year. The Niners are the

450
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Speaker 1: third scoring offense. They're very dependent on Brock playing well

451
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: in scoring a lot of points because their defense the

452
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks it's truly been leaking oil for

453
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,719
Speaker 1: a while. And the Chiefs are the number two overall

454
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: scoring defense. So this is actually a clash between the

455
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,360
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers offense and the Chiefs defense. But their

456
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: offense goes as Brock play, so when he's a little off,

457
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: their defense is no longer dominant. So yeah, it's not

458
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Speaker 1: for them to win the Super Bowl. To me, he's

459
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: got to be way better than he was because I

460
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: don't have as much face on the faith on the defense.

461
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: John Lynch was just their defensive coordinator was saying they

462
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: were embarrassed by the effort in the NFC Championship game.

463
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Speaker 1: So the defense is going through some stuff. Now when

464
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Speaker 1: Deebo's healthy, they have so many options and you can

465
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 1: run the ball with Christian McCaffrey. They throw a lot

466
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Speaker 1: of quick screens. They just need Brocking out to turn

467
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: it over. And that's the one thing. He's got a

468
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: lot of turnover worthy place. And when he was really

469
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: humming throughout the season, when they were beating the shit

470
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: out of Dallas and Philly, he was not doing that.

471
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: So it just depends what guy you get. And this

472
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: gets back to, well you and I I'm sure when

473
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: the draft gets closed and when the draft happens, the

474
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: character of these guys, the mindset of these guys. Brock's

475
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: a pretty serious dude. So like he's gone through like

476
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: it's been a rough little stretch for him, but I

477
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: think they like where he's at mentally. And I have

478
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: actually more faith in him, the guy and the wiring

479
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: than I do sometimes the physical attributes. Obviously he's a

480
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: pretty good runner, but this arm, you know, can be

481
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: a little hit or missed sometimes. Yeah.

482
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Speaker 2: I always said Dak Prescott's intangibles are an A. His

483
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: tangibles are like A C plus B minus, Like, yeah,

484
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: he moves over. I mean he really throws an average ball,

485
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 2: you know. I think the other thing with brock Purty,

486
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: if I was a Niner fan, I'd be a little concerned.

487
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: Is Andy Reid and Spags two weeks is that pretty

488
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 2: rain struggled road not as good big games. He's been

489
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 2: a tad tight people. Also, John, they have more film.

490
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: You got a lot on Brock now, whereas with Garoppolo,

491
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: we knew his limitations. That's why I think brought Pretty

492
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: moving is essential because it doesn't matter how much film

493
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 2: you have. If you can move, you can move. You

494
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 2: don't know when it's coming. But I think I do

495
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: think Spags and I think the Chiefs have the best

496
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: corners in the league. I think if they can generate

497
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 2: a pass rush, you know, if I was facing Pretty,

498
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 2: my takeaway would be crowd debo, take out the bubble screens.

499
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: Be prepared for him. Don't let him run brock on

500
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: play actions to stop the run. Take your chances with

501
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: Ayuk over the top. If he beats you, he beats you.

502
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: But take away take those bubble screens away from Deebo

503
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Speaker 2: where he's a train downhill. I don't know, I don't.

504
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: I don't think San Francisco is going to generate a

505
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: ton of offense. You've acknowledged that San Francisco's pass rush

506
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: as really it's kind of hit and miss outside of BOSA.

507
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: I think ideally, Kyle Shanahan at his core, is wired

508
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: like a guy from the eighties or the nineties, like

509
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: his dad. He wants to run the ball, and they

510
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: run the ball to do two things. Established just a

511
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: physical you know, set the tone physically and prove that

512
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: we're tougher than you. And then their entire passing game

513
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: is off that all the play action stuff that leads

514
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: to a lot of easy completions. It's why when they're

515
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: successful running the ball with McCaffrey, their offense can look

516
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: pretty easy because guys get wide open because you're biting

517
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: on the run. And then guys they have so much

518
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: talent with their offensive weapons. When you can slow down

519
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: the run. It throws them off a little bit. So

520
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: to me, it kind of starts with Christian McCaffrey. It's

521
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: why a lot of people are saying he was the

522
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: MVP threat the year because he is, I mean, he's

523
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: one of the best players in the league. They said

524
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: something on the AFC Championship game it was either nance

525
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 1: or that the Chiefs led the league this year and

526
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: batted passes at the line of scrimmage like their defensive line. Well,

527
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 1: what happened a couple times against the Lions. Hutchinson's like

528
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: six foot seven batted a couple balls down. Do they

529
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: bat four balls down? Well, if you only get twenty

530
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: eight to thirty pass attempts or you know, Kyle ideally

531
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 1: would be twenty five, that's four wasted passes, right, Or

532
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: does it happen once? Because sometimes Kyle's schemed pass is

533
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: why it's gonna work, either as a big first down

534
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: or an explosive play. If you tip that ball, and

535
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: you can with Brock because he's a shorter player, it

536
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: can throw you off. That's some little thing to keep

537
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: an eye on because they battle a lot of balls

538
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: and Brock hast some balls to get bad, and so

539
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: do they try. I don't ever understand why Kyle doesn't

540
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: move it. Now. His offense is not a drop back

541
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 1: passing game where they do right sprint options. But I

542
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 1: would try to get him on the move a little

543
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: bit more, but they just that's not really part of

544
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: the Shanahan, you know operation.

545
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: So I've made the comment before John, and I'm pretty

546
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 2: sure sure I'm right on this that winning is second

547
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: in the NFL for owners to winning on their terms.

548
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: The spanos is, to their credit, finally said we're going

549
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: to give up some power in the building because we

550
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 2: got the right quarterback. We don't have a Super Bowl win.

551
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: We're going to go with hardball. By and large, Vrabel Belichick,

552
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: who would have wanted similar personnel say, didn't get offered

553
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: a job. They're obviously much more qualified than many of

554
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: the young defensive coordinators. Five of the eight coaches were

555
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: on the defensive side. So in twenty twenty one, of

556
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: the thirteen playoff wins, twelve were from offensive coaches. In

557
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, of the thirteen playoff wins twelve, again,

558
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: we're from offensive coaches. This year, Andy Kyle, both offensive

559
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: guys nine of thirteen will be offensive coaches. How surprised

560
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: were you or were you that five of the eight

561
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: head coaching hires. Again, these guys have no power, no leverage,

562
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 2: not big salaries outside of maybe dan quinn House maybe

563
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what his is. Were you surprised they

564
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: went back to young, unproven, defensive side of the ball guys.

565
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think there was a great crop of

566
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, Matt Lafleur types. Right, there was one,

567
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't leave. And there have been some rumors

568
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson didn't interview. Well, he wanted a lot of money.

569
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 1: I heard that he is a fantastic offensive coach, right,

570
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: you watch his offense, so you would you might look

571
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: past that. One thing's pretty clear, and this goes back

572
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: to the Harball thing. The amount of money you're paying

573
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: these guys. What's the first time no name head coach

574
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: now making eight million? You know, if you have a

575
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: little bit of a resume, dan Quinn, you're probably starting

576
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: at twelve, thirteen, And then obviously the Harball types are

577
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: sixteen to twenty, so you're paying a lot of money.

578
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: And then a guy like Vrabel won't listen to anybody.

579
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: And I'm a Mike Vrabel guy, but I could understand

580
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: if you put me on the if I was running

581
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: the team, like wait, you're not even gonna You're just

582
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: gonna be a dick to me, passed me in the hallway,

583
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: not even acknowledge me. And that's more of a Belichick thing,

584
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: not listening to my GM. Ultimately, this is my team

585
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: and you're not getting along with it. Andy Reid ask

586
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Leurie what he thinks of him? Loves him? Got

587
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: along with people? Was he Pete Carroll easy to deal?

588
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: You know, he's just he's nice. There is an element.

589
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: Even Kyle Shanahan, who can be contankerous, kind of edgy like,

590
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: does get along with Sean McVeigh. And I think part

591
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: of that. You know, once you get this kind of

592
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, it kind of carries with you that you

593
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: don't get along with people at the price points, it's

594
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: not great. The other thing with Bill at seventy two

595
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: years old, Bill's not going to come in and be like, yeah,

596
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: just let me coach the team, hire whoever you want

597
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: to be the GM. He picks the players won that GM.

598
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: What's he gonna do tell Bill who to take. So

599
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: it was a tough situation. But how could you give

600
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: Bill the keys to the Ferrari Even though I think

601
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: Atlanta shoot a hire lessen you get a chance to

602
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: get Bill Belichick gets some buzz. But I do understand

603
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: the reservations from the other side of Like, Bill, we've

604
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: seen your drafts. You're known for not listening to anybody,

605
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: Like the Patriots have a draft board with really talented scouts,

606
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: and then Bill just goes rogue. So it's like, how

607
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: can we trust you to do that? In part of

608
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Bill's deals, like you're hiring me, you gotta let me

609
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: do everything, He's not saying, well, I'll just coach the team.

610
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: You guys picked the players, So it's I guess it's

611
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: not that shocking with those two guys. I think the

612
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: defensive coaches gets back to there just wasn't a good

613
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: crop of offensive guys. I mean, and once Ben Johnson

614
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: didn't want in, Like who are the other offensive coordinators?

615
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: Shanahan has a bunch of young guys that he just

616
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: promoted because he's lost guys the last couple of years.

617
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: Bobby Slowick's a guy with Demiko very young. I mean,

618
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: who's working at PFF like five years ago, so we

619
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: might be two years away from kind of that crew,

620
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: the Bobby Slowick's kubiak Son, who's just getting they'll start

621
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: getting some jobs. But I think he kind of looked around.

622
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: I think the Washington's a good example. I thought it

623
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: would be insane for Seattle to hire like john You've

624
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: been a GM now for fourteen years, take a big swing.

625
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: And if Ben Johnson's not interested, like I understood going

626
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 1: with Mike McDonald, but if you're Washington, you go. So

627
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: we have a culture issue, like this franchise has been

628
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: just negative, we had issues. He is a positive culture guy.

629
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: So maybe he's not some superstar coach, but can't he

630
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: just get the train on the tracks? Can he help

631
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: a young quarterback and just in three or four years

632
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: we go, you know what, we have a real organization.

633
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: And then maybe you have to make a decision we

634
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: need to upgrade the coach or whatever. But you get

635
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: a guy with real experience. Josh Harris. His last two

636
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: coaches in the NBA have been guys with a resume

637
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,239
Speaker 1: as a head coach. Clearly they valued that. I do

638
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: think that Ben Johnson though, was a pretty big kind

639
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: of wild card swing of whether it was the price,

640
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: whether it was the interview. I was told a couple

641
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: of years ago he just wasn't that comfortable. He's only

642
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Speaker 1: thirty seven years old. It's not like he's fifty. Maybe

643
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: he's just like, I'm not quite ready. I'm making four

644
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: million dollars. It's not going anywhere. The Lions are going

645
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: to be really good. But the moment he went back,

646
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Speaker 1: who else were you going to hire?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point.

648
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Speaker 1: But it's why these it's why these offensive coordinators. You know,

649
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: Cliff looks like he's going to Washington. Waldron will see

650
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Speaker 1: what Seattle ends up doing. I saw that they were

651
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: interested in Ben Grubb, you know, went to Abama with Duboor.

652
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: We might see in a year or two the crop

653
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: of offensive coordinators because those offenses hit on some of

654
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: those defensive led teams. Those guys jolt up, right. It

655
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 1: happened to Shanahan with Dan Quinn. You get extra credit

656
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: because you know that that guy runs. You know, he

657
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 1: has so much juice in the building.

658
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Speaker 2: All right. John Middlecoff joining us for those listening to

659
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: the podcast, former NFL scout, I do want to talk

660
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: about this. I think it's interesting. Harbaugh College Football rearview mirror.

661
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: Seya Saban had many good years, left Alabama still a

662
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: top three program college football. Sea Boston College head coach

663
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: Seya chip Kelly rumored to be taking a coordinator job.

664
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Speaker 2: I do think that college football is at a point

665
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: where the transfer portal needs way. I mean, listen, the

666
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: media is always going to defend the player. The media

667
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: is ohways predictable young. The media has gotten much younger

668
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: in my career. Why because they're cheaper As the media

669
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: is getting more corporatized. You know, that's why I love

670
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: the volume. You know, we pay what people we think

671
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: are worth. We want, We'll take older people that are

672
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: a bit more expensive. You know, we're I've worked for

673
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: big media companies. They want cheap and cheap, young, idealistic

674
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: media people. Ohways, for the player. But the truth is

675
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: this transfer portal is imploding the coaching industry because you

676
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: literally spend all your time not only recruiting out but

677
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 2: in you're recruiting your own players. And I've had Jay

678
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: Wright had another decade. He's like, I'm out. I understand.

679
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: Skrzyzewsky could have remained just I'm done. Some of it

680
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: is the NFL can pay coordinators a lot, but how

681
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: much of this it does feel like to me where

682
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 2: guys are like unless you have a Clemson Ohio State.

683
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: But then I say that in Michigan and Bama's coaches left.

684
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: Are we going to get to a point where an

685
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: athletic director now doesn't have to worry about a college job.

686
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 2: These guys will just take a three million dollar coordinator

687
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: job and not have to recruit and deal with crap.

688
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: I went to cocktails with a guy in the SEC,

689
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: or a scout that does the SEC, and he was

690
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: going and he sat down with one of the main

691
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: coaches and he said, one thing that has changed dramatically

692
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years with the NIL and

693
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: which is directly correlated with the transfer portal, it's all

694
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: one big transaction. Where before, if a guy was struggling

695
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: a younger player, it was your job as a college

696
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: coach one just to help the human grow, but to

697
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: help the player grow. Now the moment, even if you're

698
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: an eighteen nineteen year old freshman or red shirt freshman,

699
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: if you're getting paid four hundred grand, five hundred thousand,

700
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: it's one big I'm treating you like the NFL and

701
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: done will cut you. We want you to transfer, and

702
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: the human element of that sport, which most of these

703
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: guys playing college football are not going to pros. It's

704
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: the pinnacle of their life with their coaches, why they

705
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: become They form these bonds and it's all one big

706
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: giant like stock market. Now, even in the NFL, W

707
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: I have a contract with you. I can't just tomorrow

708
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: be like I'm out, Colin. That's not the way the

709
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: world works. And in college football, like Josh Allen like,

710
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: oh we blew it, I'm just gonna leave this offseason, right,

711
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: We're in college, Like, see, guys, I'm out. It always well,

712
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: the coaches always did it well, yeah, I mean they

713
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: didn't just leave the random programs. They usually typically upgraded

714
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Speaker 1: the program. So yeah, Kaylin Duboor left to Alabama.

715
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Speaker 2: Right, It's always funny whenever I hear that, Well, coaches,

716
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: it's college. You're a college student. That's an administrator. College

717
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 2: professors get tenure, college students don't. Let's they're not even

718
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: the coach in college. The players not even to a coach.

719
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Speaker 2: The contract not the way it works.

720
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Speaker 1: I also think the nil the amount of teams that

721
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: can pay guys now at the rates in which they

722
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 1: have to be compensated, is dramatically smaller than the amount

723
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Speaker 1: of Power five programs we have. So Jeff Hafley who

724
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: leaves Boston College to go to Green Bay, if you

725
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: just look at all the people that cover college football

726
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: on the X or Twitter, I can't this is great.

727
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: The NIO Boston College is probably a bottom five Power

728
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: five job, like they should end up just playing like

729
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: Division IE Double A football moving forward, like they have

730
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: no shot. So if you're him, you're gonna get fired,

731
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: right because seven wins is your max. You can't pay

732
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Speaker 1: anyone who's available. And if you get a good player

733
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Speaker 1: who's young, he's gonna leave. The teams in your conference

734
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Speaker 1: Florida State, Miami, North Carol they can pay him, let

735
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Speaker 1: alone all the other programs. Green Bay can pay you

736
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Speaker 1: four or five million dollars. You go there? What a

737
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: green Bay's good a defense the next couple of years

738
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: and their team's obviously gonna be good. He's an NFL

739
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: head coach, where at Boston College, he's gonna get fired.

740
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Speaker 1: I would say it was a indictment on the on

741
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: the situation, which is obviously all out of whack. If

742
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Speaker 1: he left a top twenty five job, right, if the

743
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: damn this guy left the University of Miami, or this

744
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: guy left Texas or Oklahoma, he left Boston College? Right,

745
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: Ryan Day is not leaving to be a coordinator in

746
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Right, He's staying there. Chip Kelly, why does

747
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly want? Well, One, he knows Big Ten, I'm

748
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,919
Speaker 1: probably in some trouble. And two like they're gonna fire

749
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: me slash this sucks. He never liked that element of

750
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: the sport anyway. Now would I hire him as my

751
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator? I mean, it seems like he tried to

752
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: get one, didn't get one. But that's UCLA is not

753
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: gonna be able to compete with the ni Look at

754
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: their basketball program, it's in shambles. They can't pay with

755
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: these other programs are paying. So that's where I think

756
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: the more and more money that comes to the SEC

757
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: in the Big ten, the top programs, the nil they're paying.

758
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: Look at Nebraska, Dominic Riola's kid, the number one quarterback.

759
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: I played with a golf with a guy a week

760
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: ago that played football at Nebraska that lives in that area.

761
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: He's like, rumors in town is the guy got four

762
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: million dollars four million, which is pretty risky with a

763
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 1: high school kid. But that's that's the going rate to

764
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: get in bed with these guys. But what if he sucks? Like,

765
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: what if he's not good? Is that a good? Would

766
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: you pay four million dollars to a high school? This

767
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: is not basketball at Anthony Davis. It's probably a fifty

768
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: to fifty proposition. He's even a solid starter.

769
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Speaker 2: Well, I think I've argued this about Nebraska football. It

770
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: is the only program that was great thirty years ago

771
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: that will never come back now. I felt Notre Dame

772
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: because of their the isolation, the academic, the religious umbrella.

773
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: But they've proven they can win when you get a

774
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: great coach Brian Kelly, and that's what he is. But

775
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: Nebraska lived off Prop forty eight. They lived in a

776
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: world once they left the Big twelve. That means all

777
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: those Texas recruits mom and dad can't watch them every week.

778
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: I thought that was a terrible strategy. I don't think

779
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: Nebraska is ever coming back, and I think their fan

780
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: base full of wonderful, decent people. They still view themselves

781
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: as this giant in college football, and I don't put

782
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: them as a top fifteen program. So for them to say, listen,

783
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: it's an offensive league NFL college football. We're gonna pivot

784
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: to an offensive coach and we're gonna have to pay

785
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: to get great quarterback play. I think the only way

786
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: Nebraska can be a ten win team, the only way

787
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: is to do almost a Chip kellyot Oregon, which is

788
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: we're going to do stuff different. We're going to play

789
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: a system in which we just really have all of

790
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 2: our talent on offense, and if we don't win, we'll

791
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 2: be absolutely wildly entertaining and lose shootouts to the Michigan

792
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: Ohio State. I think Nebraska it's it's and I think dead.

793
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: I mean, Washington's been great, disappeared, great disappear. I think

794
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 2: MO schools that have been great can come back.

795
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Speaker 1: I'm not.

796
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Speaker 2: I think Nebraska's only way is to go get a

797
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: star quarterback and a star offensive coach, and that's it.

798
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Speaker 1: Totally understand why they did it. It's why, like for example, Oregon,

799
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: you could argue moving forward obviously was a really good

800
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: job over the last twenty years. Is it a top

801
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: five job in the country now? If you factor in

802
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: the resources they have for in ile.

803
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, a top top seven at least.

804
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Speaker 1: When you have that like the Cowboys, they have this

805
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: huge brand. But if Jerry signs his own guys, they

806
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: never have any free agent cap space. So yeah, Jerry

807
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: can have all this money, but who carry you can't

808
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: sign any free agents right he never has any room

809
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: where in college like Ohio State clearly spends the most.

810
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: Right now, it's a huge, huge advantage right Oregon. Like

811
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Speaker 1: Dan Lanning, I'm sure Alabama offered him the job. He's like, nah,

812
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: I can win just much here and my path might

813
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: even be easier in the Big ten. And the funding,

814
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Speaker 1: I have the access to money to sign these guys,

815
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Speaker 1: because it's outrageous now. I think one thing that I've

816
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: heard from a lot of college buddies is the power.

817
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: The good part about the portal and you're at one

818
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: of the top programs is you can improve the talent

819
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: really fast, and when you have the money to cut

820
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: them checks. You know, an offensive lineman a couple hundred grand,

821
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: a skilled guy maybe three four hundred thousand dollars, you

822
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: can add five six players you're already recruiting well and

823
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: mix that in and you can get good fast. That's

824
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: why I do think we'll see over the next couple

825
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: of years you'll see a team that we knew was

826
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: good all of a sudden be a national championship contender

827
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Speaker 1: on a given year. They may not be able to

828
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Speaker 1: sustain it, like Ohio State or Alabama, but look at length.

829
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Speaker 1: I just saw something on the internet today. Incredible year.

830
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: Again in the transfer portal. He could have a season

831
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: where could he win a national championship if it all

832
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: goes right now? Is he gonna be able to sustain

833
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: it for ten years? It's probably hard at that program

834
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: like an organ like an Alabama, like an LSU. But

835
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Speaker 1: when you can pay these guys, that drives these coaches nuts.

836
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Speaker 1: It's such a there has to be some sort of

837
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Speaker 1: limit of you just can't leave whenever you want. That's

838
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: not how anything in society works. And like you said,

839
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: the media celebrates it, loves it, of course they do.

840
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: That's not the way the world works. You know. Even

841
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: in college, if I want to get said coach, I

842
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: have to pay a buyout, right, you got to pay.

843
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: There's something coming back the other way. Okay, even Green Bay,

844
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: I want to get Jeff Hafley. I'm sure they had

845
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: to cut a couple of million dollar check to Boston College.

846
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: If there's a by that's the way it works. Alabama

847
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: had to pay for Kaylin Duboor. He has a player.

848
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Speaker 1: It's like, see you, I'm out of here. It's like, okay,

849
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: this is not a it's not a sustainable model.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think and that's and that's it's not

851
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I do think college football is a buye.

852
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: I got into this discussion with somebody because I like

853
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: the business. I like sports, but I like the business.

854
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: And I'll throw this at you. I said, the next

855
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: twenty years, because I probably have about fifteen left in

856
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: this space. I think podcasting.

857
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: We're all younger now, yes, sixteen, new forty five. Yeah.

858
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: And I said, if you told me you can bet

859
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: on four things going forward, you're a sports executive and

860
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: at volume, I kind am, what would be the four

861
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: things you had been on? And I said, NFL football,

862
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: college football, gambling, and the UFC fight. When well regulated

863
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: and smartly run, manage Dana White, it works. And the

864
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: person said, well, what about the NBA? And I said,

865
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: I love the NBA. It'll always have an audience. But

866
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: I said, hockey, baseball and the NBA are getting very international,

867
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 2: and college football is very domestic. NFL's domestic gambling. I said,

868
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: UFC is the fight business. I've always been a fan

869
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: of it. They'll always be able. They'll if you can

870
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,280
Speaker 2: stumble every couple of years into a Connor McGregor figure,

871
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: it's just going to work. But I so I when

872
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: I said this, I like the NBA, but I've never

873
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: felt in all the years i've watched it that the

874
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 2: first had after the trading deadline was less relevant. I mean,

875
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: they're already like fifty games in. I watch those Saturday

876
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 2: night games, but I'm watching the numbers. It's getting international.

877
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it, but Lebron and Steph they don't

878
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: have the next guy. We know what the NBA when

879
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: Michael left, they lost fifty percent of their audience. So again,

880
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: I'm not bashing the NBA. I'm a fan of it,

881
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: but give me the future in a league that's becoming

882
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: incredibly international. And the NFL has taken away their Christmas

883
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: Day marketing tipping point Day just said no, you're not

884
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: going to do that anymore. That's done, so they basically stole.

885
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: That was a big day for the NBA. That was

886
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: the They owned the biggest marketing day Christmas, four games

887
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: and the NBA just squashed it.

888
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: What about Martin Luther King Day? They I mean they

889
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: because of the weather, they did a doubleheader. Why wouldn't

890
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: they do that? Moving forward to to two having two

891
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: games on everyone's home on Monday that there were games

892
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: doing three hundred thousand people on Martin Luther King Day

893
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: in the NBA. But that's not a sustainable model. I think. Listen,

894
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm a great example. I grew up around an NBA

895
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: town in Sacramento. I mean everyone when I grew up

896
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: idolized Mitch Richmond. When Michael came to town, it was

897
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: the hottest ticket. You get why because you knew Michael

898
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: would play, and the Kings sucked and you knew Michael

899
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: would show up. I mean, here's the problem. The Warriors

900
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: are just not that good. I mean, Steph had sixty

901
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: last night and they lost. And the Lakers are holding

902
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: on for dear life, right. So I mean you're talking

903
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: two teams those guys are easily the most famous guys,

904
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: and two guys that take a lot of pride and

905
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: putting on a show. I think the sports it has

906
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: a lot of guys making a lot of money who

907
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: just aren't worth the money. And it happens in basketball

908
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: and football too. But let's think about football. Some guys

909
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: get overpaid, but within a couple of years, if they're

910
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: not worth it, they get cut. Oh yeah, in basketball,

911
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: I signed a guy for two hundred million, Well you

912
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: gotta do it because he's a max player, is he

913
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: He's like the nineteenth best player in the league. And

914
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: then in two years like this is a disaster. And

915
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: that started happening at a rate where and then you

916
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: start factoring in the guys not playing. The urgency of

917
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: the league. I do think the NFL, clearly for the

918
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: foreseeable future, is such a bohemoth. It's just it's just

919
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: rolling college. There's been an urgency with the regular season.

920
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: Games like the Michigan Ohio State game really mattered for

921
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: the last definitely the last couple of years, right, it

922
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: was felt like could be the national championship game. Now

923
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: with both of them are going to be in the playoffs,

924
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: does that game still you could argue in the NFL,

925
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: it still feels like you knew the Ravens and the

926
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: Niners the playoffs and at Christmas Night felt big, So

927
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: maybe it will be unfair.

928
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: I've had this discussion. I think the twelve game playoff

929
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: will replace Auburn, Alabama and Michigan Ohio State to some

930
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 2: degree as the game because I think those guys could

931
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 2: play a second time. So I've argued December college football

932
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: always died the Sun Bowl.

933
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: You're always like, what's the Holiday Bowl? Yeah?

934
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: Now, great college football regular season? I get, I get

935
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: a playoff. So I think the sport died in December,

936
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: lost its momentum, and then you're like, in January, oh,

937
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 2: there's a game in three nights. I think I think

938
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: those games will replace the other big games.

939
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: There is also if you're sitting at home on Saturday

940
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: night and you're like Penn State Michigan, whether both teams

941
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: are going to the playoffs or not, there's a pageantry

942
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: and intensity to the environment when you turn on your

943
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,320
Speaker 1: TV that's hard to turn off. Yeah, you turn on

944
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: lsu Ole Miss at night in Baton Rouge, You're like,

945
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: you're sitting on the couch and watch it for a

946
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: little bit because that town, the fans care so much,

947
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: and that that will not be lost right with the playoffs,

948
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: won't face the regular season of the passion of the crowds,

949
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: And think about the conferences that we're gonna watch the

950
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: most moving forward, are going to be the sec in

951
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: the Big ten? Well, who cares the most those two conferences.

952
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 1: So part of it's the television product, right, Like part

953
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: of a couple of weeks ago, when Stephen Lebron played,

954
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: You're like, this doesn't look like the regular season NBM

955
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: used to watch. And I felt like, and maybe it's

956
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: just you know, romanticizing about the past and what you

957
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: grew up on, but it felt like a lot of

958
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: regular season games for a long period of time in

959
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: the NBA, people tried. And I think in society, when

960
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: you like to get my attention and to get you know,

961
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: the consumer's attention when I turn on a sporting event,

962
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: are you trying? Do I feel like you're giving it?

963
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: In football, you do right? In baseball, just the nature

964
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: of the sport, it's hard to tell, like you just

965
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: this is a terrible gaming turned off. It doesn't matter

966
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: in basketball, like it felt like there's an urgency of

967
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: the players beside the top couple guys that has been

968
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: mostly lost throughout the course of a season, and that

969
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: doesn't resonate with people. In twenty twenty four, when I

970
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 1: got a million options, I couldn't find a movie last

971
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: night and I got seventeen streaming services, but I eventually

972
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: find one because I'm gonna click on enough. We have

973
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: so many things to watch that I think it's never

974
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: been harder to break through. And you know, obviously people

975
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: just as you age, you get less dependent on like

976
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: I have to watch this because I don't feel it matters.

977
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: And the one thing football is always going to have,

978
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: whether you're a college football fan or an NFL fan,

979
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: it's just one game a week. It's three hours. It's

980
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: pretty easy to.

981
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 2: Consider well, and that matters more now because we're all

982
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: more caffeinated, We're all people are working second jobs. Scarcity

983
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: was an advantage, it's now a significant advantage. People are

984
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: on their phones more. There's other I mean, the phones

985
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: replaced the television people. They're just distracted constantly. So the

986
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: one game a week was always an advantage. It now

987
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 2: feels like unattainable for any sport to catch the NFL,

988
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: and I think next year you're going to start seeing

989
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: like ten ratings nationally for some of these playoffs, well,

990
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: twelve to fifteens for the early round playoffs, eighteen twenties

991
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: for the later rounds. Those are like, that's doubling the

992
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 2: NBA finals. Those are big boy numbers.

993
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I go back to being a kid

994
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: and going I remember seeing Alan Iverson score fifty and

995
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: Sacramento like that version of Allan Iverson is not playing

996
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: against a twenty win NBA team, And I think the

997
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: moment that they've really struggled with that, and I know

998
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: they've tried to put in some rules about playing when

999
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: you make fifty million dollars, I'm sorry, I'm not I'm

1000
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: gonna do whatever the hell I want whenever I want,

1001
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: and the money's guaranteed it. It's just a structure of

1002
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: the contract. It's the best thing the NFL is going

1003
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: for is I'm not beholden to a player for a

1004
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: seven year contract if he's not good enough. If you

1005
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: keep producing, we'll keep paying, but if you're not, like,

1006
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: they move on. So all these free agents to sign

1007
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: these big deals within a couple of years, half of

1008
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: them are on a different team because they're not worth

1009
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: the money.

1010
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 2: Finally, we wrap it up John Middlikoff. When you live

1011
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: in California, it's fascinating to see how many people that

1012
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 2: don't live in California or never have have strong opinions

1013
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: about it. But I thought about you this week because

1014
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: I had a friend, another friend, a family leaving California. Now,

1015
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: the taxes here have always been high, but the spence

1016
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: now is high with the taxes, and it just kind

1017
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: of feels like it's endless.

1018
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 1: It's going up.

1019
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: The politics aside, it's priced out a lot of people.

1020
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: You make a very good living, you move to Arizona,

1021
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: So I was thinking about you. Arizona doesn't have the

1022
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: Mediterranean weather, but it's got a lot of sun. What

1023
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: is the move financially emotionally? If you'd address those, how

1024
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 2: has it been for you?

1025
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: I would say it's been incredible. I mean it's the

1026
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: best thing I've ever done. I would say this though.

1027
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: About California, there are like three separate places, right There's

1028
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: southern California. There's kind of the Greater Bay area, and

1029
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: then there's the Central Valley. And my dad was a

1030
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: tomato farmer, so you know, I grew up in the

1031
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: Sacramento Central Valley area, which is a lot differently different

1032
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: politically than the Bay Area. Even in LA. When living

1033
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area, the price it's not sunny like

1034
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: LA or San Diego. The weather is dramatically different, so

1035
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: you pay the same price as, if not more expensive price.

1036
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: You could argue it's the most expensive place certain areas

1037
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: in America. And it was just like, I don't like

1038
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: being here anymore. So when I made the move one

1039
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: financially what I'm doing, it made a lot more sense.

1040
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: I needed kind of a jolt and a change, and

1041
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: I don't regret it at all. And you know, I

1042
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: live in a nice house now on right down the

1043
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: street from a golf course that the equivalent in Palo

1044
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 1: Alto or Danville, California would have been for way less,

1045
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: way more money. It just didn't pencil any anymore for me.

1046
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: And I love San Diego, Like I started going more

1047
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: and more to Southern California growing up because of sports,

1048
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: you like, I hate the Dodgers, I hate the Lakers.

1049
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: And then as you get older you go down there,

1050
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: You're like, damn this this, but the barry doesn't feel

1051
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: like that and the city, you know, it just it's

1052
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: a different world up there. I didn't like it as

1053
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: much anymore. And yeah, obviously the taxes why, but there's

1054
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: just a way a life part of it is. I

1055
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: do think Vegas and Scottsdale just a lot of California people.

1056
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: So there's an energy businesses are coming here, which it

1057
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: probably didn't feel like that twenty years ago or fifteen

1058
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: years ago. There's an energy that I like here that

1059
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: I would imagine the Bay Area had fifteen twenty years ago.

1060
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: I feel like the Bay Area changed dramatically. I can't

1061
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: speak to southern California because I have a lot of

1062
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: friends that live in San Diego and they love it.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: You know.

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00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: It's funny, so years ago when I was doing Local.

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00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if I've ever told the story before,

1067
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: it probably have.

1068
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: But.

1069
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 2: When ESPN the ESPN opening came and I left Local,

1070
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 2: so I had told that time wife, I said, I'm

1071
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: going to go National or just stan Portland. The only

1072
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: exception would be KNBR and San Francisco. I love that city.

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00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 2: So that was like nineteen years ago. I like, I

1074
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 2: would move there. You couldn't pay me to move to

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00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: the Bay Area, even though there's so much I love

1076
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: about it, But it's just it's dirtier. It's different. I

1077
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: went there for the Super Bowl several years ago, and

1078
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, I went to the same restaurant three times.

1079
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, they were just parts of the town. I

1080
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: was in by a nice hotel. I didn't feel that.

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00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: I'm a colin. It's dramatic. That was twenty sixteen. It is.

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00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: It's sad what happened. I mean, it's one of the

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00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: great cities in the world, and right now it's it's

1084
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: falling apart. And that's yeah, and there's no putting. I

1085
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: don't believe New York City is a good example. And

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00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: I lived in Philly, so I kind of know the way,

1087
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: and I know you've lived out there for there's a

1088
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: wiring of East Coast people, even a Democratic you know,

1089
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: which is the majority of people in Philly or New York.

1090
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: They'll draw a line in the sand, like enough of

1091
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: this bullshit. I don't think that's happening in San Francisco

1092
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: because there's this identity politics. The moment you say, like

1093
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: the criminal's wrong, it's just it's kind of jumped the shark.

1094
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: And I don't think you're getting it back now. I

1095
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: didn't live in the city, you know, I lived in

1096
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: the suburbs, but you could feel just the change in

1097
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: everything that it was in a lot during COVID. It

1098
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: was the most extreme. That was another thing. I came to,

1099
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, Arizona, think nothing changed here. And that wasn't

1100
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: that I didn't see eye to eye with a lot

1101
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: of people, and it was I was tired of argue

1102
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: and tired of being negative about it. So I'm just like,

1103
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna remove myself from the situation. Yeah, And

1104
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: I did, and I don't. The other thing is an

1105
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: hour and a half flight. You know, if I want

1106
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: to go back to see my mom in Sacramento, LA's

1107
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: an hour away, Vegas an hour away. Everything's pretty easy

1108
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: to get around out here.

1109
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: So I yeah, I know, I've been watching you and

1110
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: I see your post how happy you are. Yeah, when

1111
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 2: I went to the super Bowl in San Francisco, and

1112
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: I'm and I'm socially I'm a pretty left leaning guy.

1113
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: But my son now lives in Portland, and you know,

1114
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: it's it's gotten. I mean, it's always been damped, but

1115
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 2: they are parts of town I don't want to walk

1116
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: around in. And I'm a six to two hundred and

1117
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 2: ninety five pound guy that works out. I'm not somebody

1118
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: that's bothered by you know, somebody that's you know, on

1119
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: the street, Like, I'm not bothered by it. Yeah, and

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00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 2: I try to be compassionate. But San Francisco, when I

1121
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: was at that Super Bowl years ago, I stayed at

1122
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: the Mark Hotel, I think it was called. It was

1123
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 2: up on the hill, and I'd walk around there at

1124
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 2: night and I'm like, how does a woman walk around here? Like,

1125
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 2: I don't get it at all. It's not safe, it's

1126
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 2: not So I'm glad. I'm glad that's worked for you

1127
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 2: because I've seen some friends leave California. My wife's not

1128
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 2: a big fan in California, and I just was kind

1129
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: of interested in your take.

1130
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: I think you did this too, you know sometimes not

1131
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: that I mean everything was going well professionally, but you

1132
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: almost get a jolt of energy when you make them. Yes,

1133
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: and you know, I've been lucky enough through work, been

1134
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, California. Do this. I feel just rejuvenated. Yes,

1135
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: it's not even about you know, the taxes or the

1136
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: politic It is just something about just waking up in

1137
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: a different space that makes you just meet new people,

1138
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: get new ideas. And it's incredible. And then that you

1139
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: can't pay for that. You know, there's nothing you can

1140
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: do to pay for that.

1141
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: I've done. I've moved cross country three times. I don't

1142
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: regret any of them. There's no question I have. It's

1143
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: made my life fuller and broader. I have so many friends.

1144
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 2: I have great friends in Rhode Island, great friends in

1145
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 2: Connecticut Northwest. You don't get it if you stay in

1146
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 2: your hometown and you know Carmel, Indiana, which is a

1147
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 2: beautiful burbon I got no problem with it. But there

1148
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: is something, there is something to challenge yourself a little bit.

1149
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 2: So I'm just glad you've I'm glad you've crossed it.

1150
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: I watched your Twitter, I watch your social stuff, and

1151
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, and just I just you seem happy. Of course,

1152
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: it always helps when you have an attractive person in

1153
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: your life.

1154
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: She's done well. I love it. What are you going

1155
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: out to Vegas, Colin?

1156
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: I'm flying in for the volume party. I'm on that treadmill,

1157
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 2: that host treadmill. So I got to be in LA

1158
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: so I'm flying out. I try to fly with the peeps.

1159
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: Have to do private to get in party. Three sales

1160
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: meetings cocktail back in a plane, fly out, get here

1161
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,959
Speaker 2: at midnight, up at six in the morning, do a show.

1162
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: So I'm just there for no shows in Vegas for you.

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00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 2: No, no, you know Fox, And I give Fox credit

1164
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: on this. You know when we have the super Bowl,

1165
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: it's different next year New d Yeah, yeah, so that'll

1166
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: be different. We'll probably go there a Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.

1167
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: But Fox has never been Fox Sports has never been

1168
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: a company that's just going to do things because other

1169
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: people are doing them. And I sat down with management

1170
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 2: years ago and I said, I think radio row is

1171
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 2: played out if people want to do it. I said,

1172
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: I thought at ESPN my last few years, I'm like,

1173
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: it's over, it's played out.

1174
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,479
Speaker 1: Half the interview is Joe Montana telling you about ARP

1175
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: or something. You're like, I don't even care. Yeah. Yeah.

1176
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: So it's like I always I felt sometimes at the

1177
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 2: other place they did things because they felt a need

1178
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: to do them, or it was in the history. Fox

1179
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: is very entrepreneurial. If it doesn't make financial sense, you've

1180
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 2: got to talk them into doing it. And it's like

1181
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: I told my bosses, I'm like, I think it's totally

1182
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 2: played out. I said, if you go Monday, and strangely,

1183
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: the Monday of Super Bowl week there's been major breaking

1184
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: NBA trade stories, and so it's like I said, Monday, Tuesday,

1185
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: do it from home if you want to do Wednesday, Thursday, Friday.

1186
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 2: I'm flying back Friday to be with my family. But

1187
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: I think I'm not a believer in doing things because

1188
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 2: Grandpa did them and Dad did them, and Fox to

1189
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: their credit, I will say this of all the companies

1190
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 2: I work for, and I've worked for several corporations, they

1191
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: have their own path. They do not care if everybody

1192
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 2: else is doing something. You can see it from Fox News.

1193
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: They're going to do what they believe in. And as

1194
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 2: a sportscaster, we just don't do shit because everybody else

1195
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 2: is doing it. And I love that about Fox Sports.

1196
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: We'll see you at the party Wednesday and beer's on you.

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00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: Yes, they are good.

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Speaker 1: See anybody the volume.

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