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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Jade Vance says the January sixth

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Speaker 1: rioters who committed violence should not be pardoned. And I

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Speaker 1: hate to agree with the Jade Vance, but he is correct.

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today. Senator

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Speaker 2: His book It Takes Hotspa.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll talk to newly minded Governor of Delaware Matt

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Speaker 1: Meyer about going from a teacher to a governor in

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Speaker 1: under a decade.

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Speaker 2: But first the news.

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Speaker 3: Somali, California and then Los Angeles in particular is still

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Speaker 3: under these fires. It's very, very sad to watch. And

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Speaker 3: of course Republicans are playing politics with aid because it's

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Speaker 3: a democratic state and that's when they play politics with it.

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Speaker 2: What do you see?

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Speaker 1: So I live in New York, but I feel very

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Speaker 1: connected to Los Angeles because my brother lives there, my

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Speaker 1: father lives in California, and my other brother lives in California.

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Speaker 1: So I'm very connected there and I go a lot

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Speaker 1: and I was just there and you know these fires.

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Speaker 1: There are multiple fires all around the area of Los Angeles.

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Speaker 1: They are catastrophic and they are you know, supercharged because

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Speaker 1: of climate change. So there's really good Jon Denny an

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Speaker 1: essay about the Almina wind and what the sort of

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Speaker 1: historic significance of it and how it burned during the

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Speaker 1: Watts riots. It's a real phenomenon in California that is

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Speaker 1: not connected to climate change, but because it's so dry

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Speaker 1: So it's something made worse by climate change, but would

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Speaker 1: not necessarily be only because of it, which I think

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Speaker 1: is an important nuance. The other thing I want to

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Speaker 1: say about the California fires is that the reservoirs were filled,

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Speaker 1: but the water pressure was bad because calvinu is not

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Speaker 1: ready for these kind of fid you know, they're ready

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Speaker 1: And a lot of America is having this experience where

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Speaker 1: we are ready for some hurricanes, but we're not ready

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Speaker 1: for these supercharged hurricanes. And that's what we saw with

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Speaker 1: seeing in North Carolina as we're ready for some weather,

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Speaker 1: but not weather like this. And so even though Republicans

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Speaker 1: are spending all their time talking smack about Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 1: and Karen Bass. And look, definitely, Karen Bass, there's a

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Speaker 1: I mean there's definitely there were for you cannot have

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Speaker 2: Like this and not have mistakes being made.

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Speaker 1: That said, this is a moment to talk about building

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Speaker 1: more resilient cities, about how we're going to address climate change.

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Speaker 2: I think of New York, like after.

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Speaker 1: Sandy, we built a lot of things to mitigate our

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Speaker 1: this is a question of like, are we going to

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Speaker 2: Now two things are happening right here.

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Speaker 1: Republicans are mad that a blue state is getting disaster aid.

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Speaker 1: So Representative Warren Davidson from Ohio, which has never had

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Speaker 1: an environmental crisis, I'm kidding, because they have had many.

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Speaker 1: He sounded off about the problem with California's policies as

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles wildfires. This is super disgusting. It's also stupid

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Speaker 1: because you know what California is. It's the fifth largest

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Speaker 2: The world, about to be the fourth, right, And when.

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Speaker 1: You start taking playing chicken with federal aid with the

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Speaker 1: And what I think Republicans can't to read the needle

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Speaker 1: It'll be like Brexit will ruin our economy, It'll make

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's almost like when you have a more

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not what this is.

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Speaker 1: These Blues states just there's more business, there's more I mean,

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Speaker 1: I also think it's interesting too. Davidson told Maria Bartaroma, honey,

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Speaker 1: If they want the money, there should be consequences where

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Speaker 1: I think that's really a really stupid plan that Davidson

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Speaker 2: It's stupid.

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Speaker 3: So in other not so fun news, Jack Smith has

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Speaker 1: What do you see here, Molly, It turns out that

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Speaker 1: Mary Garland is just as disappointing as you thought he

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Speaker 1: accountable for doing crimes by these guys. What I think

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Speaker 1: was a mistake on the part of the mainstream media,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Enron. I'm thinking about all of these

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Speaker 1: times when powerful people, even Jeffrey Epstein to a certain extent,

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Speaker 2: The idea that Donald Trump was so.

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Speaker 2: And also, but beyond that.

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Speaker 1: Really the worst person for this job was Merret fucking Garland.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a long line of people who have

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Speaker 1: You'll remember Robert Muller, who did nothing, Merret Garland, who

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Speaker 1: when you criticize these Republican senators like you remember Joany

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Speaker 1: Maybe she was bullied into going along with Mega. We'll

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Speaker 2: Him fire him and was like no.

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Speaker 1: At every point, we've seen elected and government officials be

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Speaker 1: I am to say. And we shouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 3: Well, another thing we shouldn't be surprised about is when

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Speaker 3: authoritarians rise to power that the people amongst them below

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Speaker 3: them start fighting like dogs all the time. And now

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Speaker 3: we have a fight between Steve Bennon and the tech pros.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is actually kind of fun.

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Speaker 3: I'm popping the popcorn.

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Speaker 1: This is sort of the best the best news of

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Speaker 3: He was no fan of him until he gave Trump

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Speaker 1: And even now he's still not a fan. So here's

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Speaker 1: what's interesting about this. There are two things going on here.

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Speaker 1: One is tech bros want H one B one visas.

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Speaker 1: These are these visas for skilled workers. Tesla uses them,

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Speaker 3: But Mark Zuckerberg Joe Rogan basically said, yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, who knows. But these people are a

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Speaker 1: lot of them are not white. Steve Bennon, you know,

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Speaker 3: Is that the distinction though, is it's like the America

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Speaker 1: inauguration day. He will not have a blue pass the

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Speaker 1: He is a truly evil guy, a very bad guy.

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Speaker 1: I made it my personal thing to take this guy down.

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Speaker 3: This is where the popcorn gets nice and buttery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter Theiel, David Sachs, Elon Musk are all white

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Speaker 1: South Africans, A right, you're ready, You're ready.

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Speaker 2: He should go back to South Africa.

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Speaker 1: Why do we have South Africans the most racist people

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Speaker 1: let's stop here for a minute. Does this mean that

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Speaker 1: Steve Bannon doesn't like racism? Like discuss and also let

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Speaker 1: us pause for another minute here. These are the guys

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Speaker 1: Mega doesn't want H one B one visas because it's

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Speaker 1: bringing in people who are not white, right, A lot

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Speaker 1: So does he not like them because he thinks they're racist,

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Speaker 1: Lack of consistency here, which I find fascinating.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's the richest guy in the world.

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Speaker 1: Steve is very very I mean, I again, appalling, but smart.

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Speaker 1: by January twenty first. Senator Ron Wyden is the senior

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Speaker 1: So tell me why you decided to write this.

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Speaker 4: the doctor kid, the kids you who wanted a brighter

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Speaker 4: future in the country. And you know, I think when

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Speaker 4: you talk about these topics. You have to say, is

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Speaker 4: Trump even beginning to keep his promises? And on taxes?

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Speaker 4: You know, I mentioned the fact that he made all

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Speaker 4: these promises. We don't see any sign that, you know,

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Speaker 4: he's doing it. On immigration, I mean, he put the

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Speaker 4: Congress in this mess of a position here in the

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Speaker 4: last few months when we could have started to buy

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Speaker 4: partisan bill.

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Speaker 1: Andy walk yesterday Matt I decided they're not going to

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Speaker 1: fact check anymore. We've really seen tech companies have refused

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Speaker 1: to provide any kind of regulation.

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Speaker 2: Of themselves at all.

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Speaker 1: They're mad at Democrats for even trying to hold them account,

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Speaker 1: but to some amount of account. Do you think there's

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Speaker 1: any world in which you could get Republicans to work

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Speaker 1: on a bipartisan kind of regulation of some of these

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Speaker 1: tech companies or do you think that door has just

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Speaker 1: closed right now?

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Speaker 4: You know, big tech has been dumping money in the

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Speaker 4: Trump coffers for just about everything in sight. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there is no question, for example, on privacy, that elected

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Speaker 4: officials are going to have to step up and say

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Speaker 4: whose side are you on? You know, we have seen

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Speaker 4: these data brokers, for example, Molly and you and I

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Speaker 4: have talked about this, you know, running wild with people's

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Speaker 4: personal information. Folks at six hundred planned parenthood sites saw

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Speaker 4: their information, their geolocation information gobbled up. Of course, Republicans

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Speaker 4: ought to be supportive of efforts to do it, but

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Speaker 4: they're not even using the example I just cited. They're

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Speaker 4: not even for planned parenthood in the first place, let

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Speaker 4: alone then privacy for folks.

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Speaker 1: You think it's unlikely that any kind of tech regulation

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Speaker 1: is going to.

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Speaker 4: Get passed, well, I think that when you have these

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Speaker 4: really outrageous examples. And I'll give your listeners one. I'm

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Speaker 4: sult Typhoon this question of the Chinese. You know hacks,

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Speaker 4: I mean our phone records, and some very conservative senators

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Speaker 4: have recently said that's been the biggest hack in American history.

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Speaker 4: They were supposed to be protected twenty years ago, and

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Speaker 4: they weren't. And I'm pushing right now and I hope

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Speaker 4: I'll get some Republicans to fill those gaps. And I'm

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Speaker 4: going to introduce a peace of legislation that says the

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Speaker 4: Congress is now going to do what it was under

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Speaker 4: legal requirements to do twenty years ago and protect people's

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Speaker 4: phone records. Because salt Typhoon has basically been one of

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Speaker 4: the biggest hacks in American history, if not the biggest,

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Speaker 4: and there have been cybersecurity problems with people's healthcare records.

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Speaker 4: These are the kinds of scandals that people are going

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Speaker 4: to pay attention to, and I hope the Republicans, when

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Speaker 4: I put them out there these proposals will sign on.

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Speaker 1: We spend a lot of time talking about what it

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Speaker 1: would look like to resist trump Ism in this second

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Speaker 1: Trump term, and to be sort of thoughtful about pushing back.

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Speaker 1: There are certain things he's going to try to do

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Speaker 1: we think that will crush norms and institutions and certain

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Speaker 1: things that are just a bostic language with the hopes

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Speaker 1: of sort of getting maybe some trade negotiation. How are

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Speaker 1: you personal dealing with this with Trump two point zero

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Speaker 1: and the new challenges opposes.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, we're trying to get ready for basic

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Speaker 4: rule of law, you know questions. I mean, for example,

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Speaker 4: if he tries to invoke, you know, rules that don't

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Speaker 4: respect posse comatatis statutes and decide to walk all over

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Speaker 4: the rights of the American people, you know, we're going

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Speaker 4: to We're gonna step in. And I think that that's

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Speaker 4: part of what has concerned a number of citizens in

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Speaker 4: the last couple of days, looking at all these you know, pronouncements,

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Speaker 4: I mean, Trump's trampling on even relations with with allies

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Speaker 4: and no evidence that there's going to be any kind

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Speaker 4: of legal framework for it.

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Speaker 1: It does seem like all of this like he's going

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Speaker 1: to take over Canada, He's gonna, you know whatever, take

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Speaker 1: over Greenland. I mean, this stuff seems like a pretty

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Speaker 1: clear distraction from the you know, not being able to

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Speaker 1: make egg prices cheaper. And do you think that's what

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Speaker 1: it is or do you think he really thinks that

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Speaker 1: America could somehow buy or take over Greenland from I

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Speaker 1: hope you're right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, to me, he'll change his mind every ten

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Speaker 4: to fifteen minutes if he thinks he's got some hypothetical

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Speaker 4: to kind of distract people. But what we're focused on.

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Speaker 4: I tell people, Molly, I've had eleven hundred town hall

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Speaker 4: meetings at home, and people say, what do you do

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Speaker 4: at the meetings? And so we talk about issues where

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Speaker 4: the second word is almost always bill. It might be

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Speaker 4: medical bill, it might be housing bill, it might be

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Speaker 4: food bill, it might be insurance bill. Trump said he

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Speaker 4: was going to work on those things in this campaign.

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Speaker 4: What I talk about in this book is having the

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Speaker 4: nerve and the guts to take him on and do

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Speaker 4: it regardless of political party.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that there are possible things that you

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Speaker 1: can do with Trump that could actually be productive or.

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Speaker 4: Now I've had people, you know, talking about Oregon. You know,

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Speaker 4: the federal government owns most of our land. We've got

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Speaker 4: a place, the awahis that are called Oregon's you know,

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Speaker 4: version of the Grand Canyon. And we've got environmental folks

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Speaker 4: who care about wilderness, We've got farmers who care about agriculture.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking to those who are going to be in

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Speaker 4: key positions about the possibility of advancing those kinds of issues.

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Speaker 4: The question of states rights is going to be really huge,

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Speaker 4: because what I'm concerned about is if the state is

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Speaker 4: really doing the right thing in terms of curtailing emissions,

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Speaker 4: whether here in Washington, d C. Trump is going to

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Speaker 4: leave them alone and let them continue to do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you can talk about you know, we

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Speaker 1: spent so much of the last couple of months talking

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Speaker 1: about what happened and what Democrats can do to win.

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Speaker 1: I can what do you think Democrats need to do

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Speaker 1: to win.

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Speaker 4: I think Democrats really need to laser in on those

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Speaker 4: kinds of issues that give people a sense that they're

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Speaker 4: going to have a better future. For example, I'm working

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Speaker 4: on a housing package molley young people today. We saw

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Speaker 4: some of them over New Year's They are having trouble

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Speaker 4: paying the rent right now, let alone being able to

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Speaker 4: get a starter home. So I've got several tax proposals

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Speaker 4: as a senior Democrat on the Finance Committee that deals

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Speaker 4: with taxes, something called like TCH low Income Housing tax credits,

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Speaker 4: but in particular, a lot of those families care about

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Speaker 4: something called MIKECH middle income Housing tax credits. So what

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Speaker 4: people are looking for is are you going to respond

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Speaker 4: to things that they talk about in their kitchens and

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Speaker 4: living rooms. And they felt in this campaign that Trump

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Speaker 4: would just break the door down to do things for him,

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Speaker 4: that he was all kind of loud and pushy, and

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Speaker 4: maybe they didn't agree with them in terms of some

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Speaker 4: of the things he said in the light, but they

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Speaker 4: thought he was tough and he thought it was strong,

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Speaker 4: and they felt, for a variety of different reasons that

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Speaker 4: Democrats didn't bring that kind of strength to the game.

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Speaker 4: And we're going to change that. Healthcare housing, and an

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Speaker 4: economy that works for all Americans, not just billionaires, would

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Speaker 4: be the three things that I'd say really get you

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Speaker 4: in the direction of a winning agenda for Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Democrats should be more forward facing?

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Speaker 4: There's no question you know about it. I mean, you

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Speaker 4: pay healthcare, something I've been working on for some time

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Speaker 4: since I was director of the Great Panthers. I think,

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Speaker 4: talking about forward thinking, I think Democrats ought to be

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Speaker 4: thinking about getting rid of the for profit insurance department

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Speaker 4: and having nonprofits who will have no incentive but to

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Speaker 4: keep your prices down and make sure you and your

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Speaker 4: family are as healthy as your doctor in hospital can

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Speaker 4: make you. That's the kind of priority approach I'm hearing about,

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Speaker 4: and you know looking you know, particularly at get getting

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Speaker 4: rid of the for profit insurance sector and having a

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Speaker 4: different approach where you replace nonprofits so there's no incentive

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Speaker 4: to rip people off.

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Speaker 5: It's the way to go.

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Speaker 2: That's really smart.

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Speaker 1: Tell us one thing that people will be surprised about

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Speaker 1: in this book, well.

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Speaker 4: I will tell you. I had some discussions over the

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Speaker 4: last couple of days with young people, and they said,

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Speaker 4: we've never seen a political book that basically wasn't just

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Speaker 4: some congress critter, somebody with an election certificate bragging about themselves.

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Speaker 4: You were giving us ideas that we could use to

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Speaker 4: help build a better and stronger future. And I finally

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Speaker 4: said to one of the young people was asking me

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Speaker 4: a question about it. I said, you know, when you

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Speaker 4: look at it, so much of what has happened in

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Speaker 4: America since our very birth has been people showing hutzpa.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: That was what the founding fathers did. That's what Abe

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Speaker 4: Lincoln did, That's what doctor Martin Luther King did. People

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Speaker 4: who are willing to show nerves and take risks and

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Speaker 4: say we're going to not necessarily march to where the

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Speaker 4: odds makers were going, but do the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Thank you, Senator Widen, thank you.

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Speaker 4: To be continued, Mollie, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Matt Meyer is the governor of Delaware.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to fast politics. I'm not going to call you

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Speaker 1: governor or Matt because that's bad, but governor Meyer. But

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Speaker 1: it feels like governor Matt is like a pretty good.

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Speaker 5: Name means the name to matth here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm so excited to have you. You are

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Speaker 1: the governor elect of Delaware, a tiny but super important

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Speaker 1: state that many of us have spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: time in recently. Talk to me about you have a

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Speaker 1: I think a bold vision for your state.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's an exciting time. It's a new time

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Speaker 5: for Delaware. As of when we're recording right now, the

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Speaker 5: only delaware enever to serve as President of the United

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Speaker 5: States is still the president. There are also a lot

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Speaker 5: of great new leaders coming up with a new vision

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Speaker 5: for what we think a blue state can be, and

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Speaker 5: we're excited about it. We have the for you know,

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Speaker 5: for every day that Delaware has been a state for

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Speaker 5: I should know two hundred and fifty seven years. I

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Speaker 5: think it is there's been a white man representing us

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Speaker 5: in the US Senate. That changed earlier this month with

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Speaker 5: least the Rochester is the I think the fifth or

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Speaker 5: sixth black woman ever to serve in the US Senate,

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Speaker 5: along with Angela Also Brooks was sworn in. And it's

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Speaker 5: not just she's an incredible individual with a vision for

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Speaker 5: our state. Sarah McBride, of course, is our congress woman,

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Speaker 5: the first individual identifies as transgender ever elected to the

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Speaker 5: United States Congress, and I in a few days and

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Speaker 5: we sworn in as governor I in ten years have

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Speaker 5: gone from me in the sixth and seventh grade math

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Speaker 5: teacher to one of the fifty governors in the US. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: I'm being sworn in at the dawn of the Trump

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Speaker 5: err Trump two point zero. I'm trying to find silver

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Speaker 5: linings or We're going to make sure that Delaware ins

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Speaker 5: are protected. We're going to make sure we have a

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Speaker 5: bold vision to move things forward. We're going to show

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Speaker 5: that a lot of core democratic principles, when put into

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Speaker 5: practice in a small state like Delaware, can make a

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Speaker 5: world of difference and produce the kind of society and

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Speaker 5: communities that we want.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about what Trump two point zero looks like.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I love about your story is

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Speaker 1: that you were a middle school math teacher and then

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Speaker 1: you decided to get into politics. And were you spurred

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Speaker 1: on into politics because of Trump?

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Speaker 5: I was spurred on because I was a pissed off

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Speaker 5: math teacher. I was initially in a program called Teaper America.

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Speaker 5: Oh I know it well, yes, in DC public schools

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Speaker 5: in Anacostia. Ended up going to law school and was

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Speaker 5: a diplomat in Iraq for a year fourteen years ago,

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Speaker 5: embedded with on a US Army base and most Iraq

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Speaker 5: as a diplomat. I came home and decided what I

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Speaker 5: really wanted to do was go back to teaching, and

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Speaker 5: so I taught in one of the highest poverty middle

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Speaker 5: schools in our state. And I was just pissed off

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Speaker 5: that it was shocking to me that things really hadn't

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Speaker 5: changed that much here since my childhood, that there was

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Speaker 5: no sense of urgency, and there certainly was a sense

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Speaker 5: that our public education system was deteriorating. And I felt

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Speaker 5: like that was no way to build a community or

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Speaker 5: a country. And so I eight years ago, in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 5: I was fully expecting it was the last year of

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Speaker 5: the Obama administration. I was inspired in part by Obama

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Speaker 5: and his vice president Joe, and thought we could do

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Speaker 5: things differently here in Newcastle County, which is the largest

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Speaker 5: county of Delaware. I ran for a position called County Executive.

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Speaker 5: I was the outsider. I was this kid with no

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Speaker 5: political experience, and I won, and we've had a good

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Speaker 5: run for eight years. As of last week, I'm no

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Speaker 5: longer than County Executive, and we have a Bowld vision

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Speaker 5: for lean ar State forward. Now at the heart of

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Speaker 5: my political service is making sure that our schools are

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Speaker 5: the best in the world, and so I think Delaware

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Speaker 5: is a great laboratory to do that. It's a small place.

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Speaker 5: We have just over a million people. It's urban, suburban, rural, coastal.

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Speaker 5: We have a diverse mix that somewhat mirrors the diversity

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Speaker 5: across our country, and we think if we can make

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Speaker 5: it work here in Delaware, it's a great model for

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Speaker 5: the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about I'm married to an ed

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Speaker 1: tech VC, so we spend a lot of our personal time.

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Speaker 1: Our hobby is talking about how to make American education better.

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Speaker 2: I do feel I have a horse in this race.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you could talk to us about sort

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Speaker 1: of what it looks like in Delaware is really small,

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Speaker 1: so you have an opportunity there to really get into it.

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Speaker 1: And also it's a pretty wealthy state, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it is. Delaware has a few unique attributes. One

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Speaker 5: is because of DuPont, we were kind of we're not

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Speaker 5: as much anymore, but we were basically we call it

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Speaker 5: Daddy DuPont here. We're basically our whole state was kind

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Speaker 5: of a company town for a century, and because of

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Speaker 5: that legacy, of advanced chemistry. We, depending on how you

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Speaker 5: measure it, have among the highest rate of PhDs per

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Speaker 5: capita in the country. It's a well educated community. We also,

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Speaker 5: based on recent testing scores, OURK twelve public schools are

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Speaker 5: rated forty fifth forty six in the country.

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Speaker 2: The fifth or sixth that's not good.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's sort of a case study of how public

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Speaker 5: education has been deteriorating even in a community that does

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Speaker 5: value education, but just the attention and the thought and

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Speaker 5: the appropriate investments have not been made. Our platform is

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Speaker 5: mostly about nuts and bolts. It's probably, to be honest, Molly,

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Speaker 5: not a whole lot. But an ed tech VS there's

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Speaker 5: some stuff in there, but not a whole lot that

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Speaker 5: an ed tech VC will get terribly excited about. It's

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Speaker 5: about making sure that more money than ever gets directly

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Speaker 5: to classrooms, cutting some of the fat out of that

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Speaker 5: education budget. Not cutting the budget, but making sure that

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Speaker 5: there are less people sitting in offices and more people

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Speaker 5: in classrooms. Making sure the data we take is really

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Speaker 5: good to understand where the shortcomings and how do we

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Speaker 5: make sure we have quick responses to reallocate monies to

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Speaker 5: address the needs that children are truly facing and also

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Speaker 5: making sure that our curriculum continues to stay relevant in

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Speaker 5: a workforce and in a world where if you teach

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Speaker 5: in the same curriculum that you had twenty thirty forty

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Speaker 5: years ago, you're probably not preparing kids for the workforce

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Speaker 5: the communities of tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So there's a layer of people in education who are

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Speaker 1: not who make a lot of money. Are you in

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Speaker 1: a position to be able to cut that layer down

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Speaker 1: or are those people protected?

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Speaker 5: You mean protected by merit rules and various government rules.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I'm meeting with every state legislator, hopefully before I'm sworn

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Speaker 5: in in a few days. There are sixty two of

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Speaker 5: them here in Delaware, and what I tell them is

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Speaker 5: everything's on the table. If there are rules that are

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Speaker 5: a barrier, the state legislature and working being concert with

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Speaker 5: the governor can change those rules. But what we're doing,

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Speaker 5: I don't take a machete to existing budgets. I take scalpels,

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Speaker 5: so we it's sort of like not cutting out entire layers.

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Speaker 5: I think that to some extent, it seems like that's

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Speaker 5: what they're trying to do at the federal government. And

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Speaker 5: what you find is there are all sorts of unintentional

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Speaker 5: sometimes intentional hazards that you end up having kids who

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Speaker 5: are literally starving on the street or don't get lunch

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Speaker 5: or breakfast. We're not going to do it like that,

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Speaker 5: but we're going to be smart about reducing the people

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Speaker 5: in offices, get getting resources to teachers, and also making

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Speaker 5: sure our teachers are paid really well. As somebody who

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Speaker 5: was in Teach for America who taught in three different

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Speaker 5: high needs, elementary and middle public schools, it was always

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Speaker 5: shocking to me that teachers in the highest needs schools

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Speaker 5: with some of the hardest jobs in public education in

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Speaker 5: the country, trying to educate some of the most challenging

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Speaker 5: students really in environments where all sorts of data indicates

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Speaker 5: that it's very challenging to ever get kids into college,

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Speaker 5: ever to get them appropriate job training, ever to get

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Speaker 5: them out of a cycle of violence and cycle poverty.

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Speaker 5: The people who are on the front lines of that

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Speaker 5: battle are often made the least in communities. That doesn't

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Speaker 5: make sense to me. It's in our platform to try

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Speaker 5: and create one hundred thousand dollars for high quality, experienced

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Speaker 5: teachers who are willing to go to the highest needs environments,

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Speaker 5: making sure that we're sort of paying people to be

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Speaker 5: on the front lines and to address our most urgent needs.

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Speaker 5: We think there are some basic things we can do,

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Speaker 5: probably not that different than what vcs do, and looking,

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Speaker 5: how do you allocate resources to where it's needed most,

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Speaker 5: and how do you incentivize people properly to address the

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Speaker 5: most pressing concerns. And we think that will at least

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Speaker 5: start to bend the curve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct. So I'm curious.

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Speaker 1: Trump and a lot of Republicans have for a long

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Speaker 1: time wanted to get rid of the Department of Education,

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Speaker 1: which of course came up this week because of the

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Speaker 1: Carter funeral. Carter was the person who created the Department

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Speaker 1: of Education. Explain to our listeners why the Department of

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Speaker 1: Education is good and why Trump should not get rid

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Speaker 1: of it. I'm sorry to ask you such an incredibly

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Speaker 1: stupid question.

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Speaker 5: But I just reflect for a minute and say, I

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Speaker 5: hope we don't spend four years playing defense. I understand

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Speaker 5: you have to ask the question. We need to be

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Speaker 5: ready as a state. What I see is in our

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Speaker 5: communities here in Delaware, there are real problems across the world.

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Speaker 5: There are real problems. We need American leadership, and I hope,

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Speaker 5: you know, maybe pray is a better word, but I

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Speaker 5: hope that we find a way to move things forward.

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Speaker 5: The Department of Education is about a lot of things,

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Speaker 5: like Department of Education. My guess is most Americans, I

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Speaker 5: haven't seen a poll, but if you ask them what

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Speaker 5: they think of this department or that department, that sort

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Speaker 5: of bureaucratic speak, that doesn't mean much. The Department of

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Speaker 5: Education is about making sure that poor kids, that disabled kids,

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Speaker 5: that kids who are treated wrong in a school environment

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Speaker 5: are treated equitably and have real opportunity. And so when

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Speaker 5: you get rid of the Department of Education, when you

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Speaker 5: say get rid, are you saying we're going to get

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Speaker 5: rid of the Title I program and replace it, hopefully

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Speaker 5: replace it with blocker.

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Speaker 2: Explain to our listeners what Title one is.

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Speaker 5: It enables kids in poor communities to get to get educated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it also does pelgrants that's right.

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Speaker 5: For kids to go to college. And so if you

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Speaker 5: look across our society and think that working class Red states, yeah,

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Speaker 5: red states, blue states, urban suburban world, you think that

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Speaker 5: working class people aren't getting the shot that they deserve,

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Speaker 5: you get rid of the Department of Education. That problem

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Speaker 5: is going to get ten, fifteen, twenty five times worse,

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Speaker 5: not better. Right, And that you see when you see

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Speaker 5: these big billionaires who are taking all the resources, that

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Speaker 5: problem is going to get worse, not better. And you say,

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Speaker 5: a workforce that you know is having difficulty competing, so

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Speaker 5: all these the large corporations want to import foreign workers.

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Speaker 5: That problem is going to get worse and not better.

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Speaker 5: And that's what the elimination of the Department of Education

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Speaker 5: is going to the federal Department of Education is going

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Speaker 5: to mean the Delawareans and across the country.

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Speaker 1: So here we've hit this really important moment in this interview.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about all these things that you and I

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Speaker 1: both know are real democratic values. Right, Department of Education

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Speaker 1: started by Carter, FEMA started by Carter. Right, government should

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Speaker 1: be there a disaster. Government will need to be there

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Speaker 1: because we're about to have many more climate disasters because

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Speaker 1: of climate change. Right, Like, all these things are nuts

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Speaker 1: and bolts of democratic politics. Right, Republicans want to cut

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Speaker 1: the federal government because they want tax cuts, they want

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Speaker 1: unfettered capitalism.

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Speaker 2: We have already seen huge.

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Speaker 1: Wealth inequalities, and like we're already seeing the results of

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Speaker 1: unfettered capitalism. So explain to me why Democrats, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: can't explain to voters that they just elected a guy

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Speaker 1: who is basically committed to making his rich friends richer.

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Speaker 5: I think that there are a number of key points

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Speaker 5: in recent history you can point to that led us

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Speaker 5: to this moment, and one of the most important for

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Speaker 5: me and what I've learned. I heard people say it

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Speaker 5: before I ran for office, but I really understand it

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Speaker 5: now and especially watching the national election, is citizens united.

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Speaker 5: Is that you can have a couple billionaires who come

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Speaker 5: together and spend hundreds of millions of dollars on media

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Speaker 5: that can convince people of almost anything. And so when

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Speaker 5: you have that dynamic, I think people who are making

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Speaker 5: trying to make informed decisions to vote are making them

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Speaker 5: based on the information they get, which is from these

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Speaker 5: commercials which are almost entirely supporting a specific political agenda,

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Speaker 5: and that the conservative crowd is playing that game better

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Speaker 5: than the Democratic crowd. I think if you look at

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Speaker 5: the Biden actual accomplishments like turn off the commercials and

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Speaker 5: get in and like read what's on websites and information

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Speaker 5: is being put out about the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, about

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Speaker 5: the American Rescue Plan Act, about expenditures in the Cares Act,

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Speaker 5: and you look at who supported those things and who didn't,

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Speaker 5: as Biden says, you didn't vote for it, but you're

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Speaker 5: showing up at the ribbon cut. We are desperate in Delaware.

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Speaker 5: We are desperate for infrastructure investment right, for investment in roads,

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Speaker 5: for investment of transitioning to a green economy, for infrastructure

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Speaker 5: that's fair in communities that historically have been underserved and

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Speaker 5: not treated equitably in today's America. And the reality is

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Speaker 5: that the Biden administration did that. If you don't look

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Speaker 5: at the shows, look at what actually happened. Those investments

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Speaker 5: are being made today. But we just haven't done a

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Speaker 5: good enough job branding that. It's challenging. People don't want

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Speaker 5: to get into the details of stuff. They're looking for

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Speaker 5: people who can give, I guess, the most entertaining speech

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Speaker 5: or you can get the you know, one hundred million

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Speaker 5: dollar donations to make the best commercials. That's that's one

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Speaker 5: aspect of it that I think really really hurts us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just horrible to watch.

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Speaker 1: So you said this thing about not playing defense earlier.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain to us what you think Democrats should

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Speaker 1: be doing.

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Speaker 5: On Tuesday a few days ago, I end in my

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Speaker 5: eighth year running Delaware's largest local government, Newcastle County Executive.

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Speaker 5: Rob was in charge of parks and libraries. I was

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Speaker 5: in charge of a police department, a nine one one

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Speaker 5: system of paramedic service. My job for the last eight

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Speaker 5: years has been to answered nine to one one calls

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Speaker 5: as quickly as we can humanly answer them and get

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Speaker 5: a quality paramedic police officer well trained to your door

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Speaker 5: to save you grandma, your sister, your brother, your spouse,

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Speaker 5: your child. I like to say that if we do

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Speaker 5: that and do that well, whoever we're serving, it doesn't

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Speaker 5: matter if they voted for Trump or Kamala Harris or Biden.

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Speaker 5: If we do it well, they're going to support me,

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Speaker 5: and if we don't do it well, they're not going

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Speaker 5: to support. My job is sewards, keep in the sewage

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Speaker 5: out of your basement. Right. If we do that and

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Speaker 5: keep your sewer fees low, people are going to support

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Speaker 5: And so I think what my advice to my governor colleagues,

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Speaker 5: and particularly my Democratic governor of Couse is let's be

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Speaker 5: a shining example during this very challenging time for our

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Speaker 5: country and when, quite frankly, a lot of Delawares and

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Speaker 5: a lot of Americans wake up in fear because of

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Speaker 5: who they love or how they love, or their gender identity,

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Speaker 5: or sometimes their race or nationality. Let's be a shining

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Speaker 5: example of what government can be, of what American can be,

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Speaker 5: and that starts with delivering, with delivering, making sure we're

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Speaker 5: delivering the highest quality services. It's hard for me to

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Speaker 5: stand up and talk credibly as a governor who's leading

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Speaker 5: the way when our schools are the fifth, sixth, seventh

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Speaker 5: worst in the country. Right to make sure we're showing

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Speaker 5: that by making strategic and smart and efficient public investments.

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Speaker 5: While the Republicans are out there saying cut everything and

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Speaker 5: privatize everything, we're saying no, if you make smart public

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Speaker 5: investments that bring people together, this country can work. And

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Speaker 5: it starts in my community and in my state.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. I hope

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Speaker 2: you'll come back.

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Speaker 5: Definitely, Thanks so much. Thanks for your work. It's a

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Speaker 5: lot of us out of here are following you and

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Speaker 5: learning from you.

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Speaker 2: No moment.

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Speaker 3: Jesse Can Somali, this is a pet subject of mine

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Speaker 3: that I have often. I was just saying to you,

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Speaker 3: and you were calming me down on Friday that I

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Speaker 3: was worried about people moving out of LA and what

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Speaker 3: that could do for our electoral prospects. But what we've

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Speaker 3: actually seen in data rather than just my antidotal feelings, yes,

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Speaker 3: which is abundant, is that young people are getting out

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Speaker 3: of and plan to get out of states that are

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Speaker 3: enacting these crazed abortion laws and these red states, and

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Speaker 3: they're going to move to states that do not have them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was a weird anxiety you had on

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Speaker 1: Friday where you were like, everyone's going to move out

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Speaker 1: to California. I thought it was very good about explaining

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Speaker 1: to you why.

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Speaker 3: Well, you and I have for nearly five years had

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Speaker 3: a mutually beneficial anxiety comic relationship of a two way

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Speaker 3: street of it. And you definitely padded my head very

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Speaker 3: well the other day, and.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad to hear it.

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Speaker 1: So basically, these abortion bands and I would say, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: this is a really important paper we should put in that,

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Speaker 1: you know, if we're going to go through scientific pates,

941
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Speaker 1: we should also talk about that was the hottest Twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four was the hottest year on record. YEP, that

943
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Speaker 1: was another bit of you know, hottest year on record.

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Speaker 2: Wait, I'll just read it to you.

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Speaker 1: Ocean temperatures reach record highs, ocean temperatures crossed into an

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Speaker 1: average sixty six point five to grease fahrenheit, almost a

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Speaker 1: half a degree higher, and then last year that will

948
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Speaker 1: mean more hurricanes, less fish and published in a magazine

949
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Speaker 1: that many of us read, Advances in Atmospheric Studies.

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Speaker 2: Did you even know that was a magazine?

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Speaker 1: The study revealed that the global mean temperature in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four reach nearly sixty six point five de grease fahrenheit,

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Speaker 1: could have devastating effects on the ocean ecosystem, ocean heat

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Speaker 1: continent changes for the upper So anyway, the point is

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Speaker 1: we are just cooking ourselves. But let's get back to

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Speaker 1: tens of thousands of young people, single people in particular,

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Speaker 1: have left states with total abortion bands. This is a

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Speaker 1: paper from the National Bureau of Economic Research.

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Speaker 2: Another one that you and I both have.

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Speaker 1: We get the apps, Yeah, I actually just subscribe to

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Speaker 1: it so I can play the spelling game. A nonprofit

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Speaker 1: economic research organization estimated population changes by analyzing address change

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Speaker 1: data collected by the United States Postal Service. By the

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Speaker 1: way you want to hear the worst fucking thing. You

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Speaker 1: know who's still the head of the post office?

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Speaker 3: I know Lewis to joy Lewis to joy.

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Speaker 1: That fucking guy, and that since the fall the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two fall of Roby Wade, the states with near

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Speaker 1: total abortion bands thirteen at the time of the analysis,

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Speaker 1: appears to have lost thirty six thousand people per quarter.

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Speaker 1: Single person households would typically skew younger. We're more likely

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Speaker 1: to move out of the states with bands. Our results

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Speaker 1: show that reproductive rights policies can significantly alter where.

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Speaker 2: People choose to live.

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Speaker 1: Researchers wrote, and I don't think any of us should

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Speaker 1: be surprised about this. The loss of young people has

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Speaker 1: particular implications for states economic trajectory. States with abortion bands

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Speaker 1: may be used challenges and attracting and retaining worker, especially

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Speaker 1: young workers who represent future economic potential. These population flows

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Speaker 1: in demographic shifts could affect a wide range of economic factors,

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Speaker 1: from tax spaces to housing markets to the availability of

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Speaker 1: workers in key industries. You did it to yourself, Republicans.

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