Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to waken Jake tierless season. Today, we're
Speaker 1: looking at the stacked right field position. Arguably the best
Speaker 1: player in baseball. No because that show Heyo Tani, but
Speaker 1: the other guy. And there's some guys on tiers two
Speaker 1: and three that feel sinful for them to not be
Speaker 1: top tier players. So we'll sort through all that. There's
Speaker 1: also the young talent is disgusting. The top of this
Speaker 1: leaderboard is going to change significantly over the next few years.
Speaker 1: You could say that with any position though. So with
Speaker 1: that joined by BBD and Jolly Olive cranking out our
Speaker 1: tierless season. Jolly your right field.
Speaker 2: It's an exciting one. Jake, quit touching your pimple. Now
Speaker 2: it's gonna be good. Right Field is uh. It's one
Speaker 2: of the easier ones to sort out, honestly, because it's
Speaker 2: top heavy. There's a as much meat in the I
Speaker 2: feel like the catcher tier list was like a burger
Speaker 2: where the patty was just way bigger than the buns
Speaker 2: and it was kind of a mess. And this one,
Speaker 2: this is like a nice neat just krabby patty. Picture
Speaker 2: it that way. It's just everything kind of it kind
Speaker 2: of fits. Everything's in order. So I'm excited to go
Speaker 2: through it with you.
Speaker 1: This isn't we got ice. We don't know Krabby Patties.
Speaker 1: We know home improvement, Tim Allen, Let's go through our
Speaker 1: rows as they start for this episode. The top tier
Speaker 1: is the biggest person in baseball. See who lands there.
Speaker 1: Second tier is war Veterans Tribute, Third is hot air Balloon.
Speaker 1: It's rising below that stud finder right. First four categories
Speaker 1: are all very positive. Takes a slight change. What are
Speaker 1: you now? Interesting? Ride the d with Chris Rose, New
Speaker 1: show on John Boy Media. Last column one of my
Speaker 1: ruder ones random player Generator because it's some of these
Speaker 1: teams seem like they just have guys that pop up
Speaker 1: that I don't know. So within that, I do want
Speaker 1: to do a final close on last year's tier list.
Speaker 1: In right field, it was boring MVP picks. It was
Speaker 1: Akunya and Soto at the top. People forget Aaron Judge
Speaker 1: was a center fielder. Oops reveal the Wild Wild West.
Speaker 1: It was a bunch of West Coast right fielder's Tucker Tatis,
Speaker 1: Carol and Adoley scarceras Wow adp value Anthony Santander interesting?
Speaker 2: Is he a right field or was he playing Thomas
Speaker 2: in the thing.
Speaker 1: That's Lank Thomas and Saya Suzuki. Should we get a
Speaker 1: dog with George Springer and Cassianos? What is it even
Speaker 1: mean the dogs? Brontander on Fangrass.
Speaker 3: Is listed as the Jays left field. We'll get to him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and that should be out there now. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be a couple left field right fielders that could
Speaker 1: flip before the season. They could not flip. They had
Speaker 1: to land somewhere. They're either on this one or they're
Speaker 1: on left field. So make sure you go check that out.
Speaker 1: We had young with crazy potential. And there's some names
Speaker 1: that's stuff. Not a lot of big climbers. God, where's
Speaker 1: Riley Green? He plays centerfield left now? I think he
Speaker 1: made the left of Carcer Meadows thirty flirty and thriving.
Speaker 1: I like that crew platoon these two was Hunter renfro
Speaker 1: and is that Seth Brown?
Speaker 2: Someone should have done that. That was a great idea.
Speaker 1: Strong arms and injuries, tough bottom column for Loreano, Marte
Speaker 1: and Hannager train crush. That was a favorite from last year.
Speaker 2: I can tell you one of those.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them are on the list
Speaker 1: this year. So again, if you really want to check
Speaker 1: that out and get in the weeds, enjoy last year's
Speaker 1: let's get into this and I think we might have
Speaker 1: our quickest top of the chart unless we do two
Speaker 1: way players. I guess the only thing I'll tee up
Speaker 1: for you, Jolly is Aaron Judge. There are some other
Speaker 1: very high profile names at the top of the list.
Speaker 1: I could point out your new right fielder, Juan Soto,
Speaker 1: I could point at Ronald Acunya, who's got an MVP
Speaker 1: in the bag and was hurt last year. I just think, however,
Speaker 1: you're trying to slice it. Aaron Judge has two ten
Speaker 1: war seasons the last three years, he's moving back to
Speaker 1: right field, and I just Soto has his one kind
Speaker 1: of minor flaw outside of absolute brilliance everywhere else. Ronald
Speaker 1: Cooney has some interesting injury stuff, and I just don't
Speaker 1: think Kyle Tucker is a fun convo but he, of
Speaker 1: those other guys, lacks maybe the high end potential.
Speaker 2: So with then, yes, I am contractually obligated to be
Speaker 2: nice to Aaron Judge at least once per month on
Speaker 2: camera on recording. So this is my one for January.
Speaker 2: I guess it'll go out in February. No, it's Judge,
Speaker 2: and I think most fans would agree with that. I
Speaker 2: think it's a little touchee because now it's Mets verst
Speaker 2: Yankees a little bit. But he's the only guy here
Speaker 2: that's got a ten more season and he did it twice,
Speaker 2: and that's kind of like all I need to know
Speaker 2: two in the last three years, and like you said,
Speaker 2: each of the guys that are going to be below
Speaker 2: him just have like one caveat, like SODA's defense isn't
Speaker 2: quite there, and you can say that Judge's defense will
Speaker 2: improve because he's going from center to right field, which
Speaker 2: is his natural position. Tucker was on pace to have
Speaker 2: that monster year and then he got hurt. We played
Speaker 2: half the season last year, still racked up nearly five
Speaker 2: war and half a season, so he could get there.
Speaker 2: But he's been more consistently great than singularly elite. And
Speaker 2: then with Akunya, who has been singularly elite and won
Speaker 2: the MVP for his efforts, just has the injury concerned
Speaker 2: and it gets scary when it's a lot of leg
Speaker 2: injuries and you're approaching thirty. So we got to see
Speaker 2: what he is in twenty twenty five, and with all that,
Speaker 2: it kind of just leaves Judge as the guy that's
Speaker 2: been there, done it now. And you can cite some
Speaker 2: postseason stats if you want, but this is a encompassing
Speaker 2: tier list and Aaron Judge is at the top. I
Speaker 2: didn't even watch. Honestly, I don't really know what happened.
Speaker 1: That was the biggest what wow?
Speaker 2: I was just so nice to.
Speaker 1: Him while we're here.
Speaker 2: I got wap.
Speaker 1: What is that you slapping Aaron Judge across the face?
Speaker 1: Get noodle, squeaky toy away from you. I am you
Speaker 1: enjoy that too much?
Speaker 2: Dogs.
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge is at the top of the list, is
Speaker 1: the biggest person in baseball. He will take the podium
Speaker 1: right under him his former running mate Juan Soto, a
Speaker 1: war veteran in his own right. A seven point nine
Speaker 1: be war last year, five and a half the two
Speaker 1: seasons before that with a seven point one before so
Speaker 1: the war and again it's supposed to be an all
Speaker 1: encompassing status. Shouldn't be your everything stats. I do want
Speaker 1: to drive that home. It's sure or as nice, it's
Speaker 1: a good it's a good way to measure things, and
Speaker 1: it shows a lot of good, but I do think
Speaker 1: it probably undervalues the day and day out of Wan
Speaker 1: Soto the batter because it's it's special. One hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty nine walks last year to one hundred and nineteen
Speaker 1: strikeouts nine eighty nine ops. He finished third in the MVP,
Speaker 1: his second top three MVP voting, led the league in runs.
Speaker 1: Not bad, and then jolly, I'm I'm interested to see.
Speaker 1: I do think Kyle Tucker belongs and I do think
Speaker 1: there was a time when baseball fans wouldn't have believed that.
Speaker 1: I do think people have come around and like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker's real good. It is just wild. His best
Speaker 1: Warren a season is five point seven, but like you said,
Speaker 1: he had four point seven and seventy eight games last year.
Speaker 1: It feels like the power tool is there. He's stolen
Speaker 1: thirty bases in a season before that. He has to
Speaker 1: be on second tier. Akun y'all. Hear out arguments, but
Speaker 1: I I think he deserves the respect, but I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's the kind of thing that makes me
Speaker 2: glad that my face isn't on the thumb now because
Speaker 2: people are gonna see Soto and tuck around the same tier,
Speaker 2: and there's gonna be some emotions, some feelings about that,
Speaker 2: but I do think it's it's closer than a lot
Speaker 2: of people suspect. Both these guys have been terrific right fielder.
Speaker 2: Soto does have that one defensive flaw, but outside of that,
Speaker 2: he's got better play discipline than arguably any hitter in
Speaker 2: the game. Right now, he's young, He's about to embark
Speaker 2: on a very interesting journey, the most lucrative contract in baseball.
Speaker 2: Not new city, new stadium, new team, all that good stuff,
Speaker 2: and Kyle Tucker similar vain one year picks up with
Speaker 2: the Cubs. We'll see what comes of that.
Speaker 1: Joan, when next time you see Jimmy, tell him it's
Speaker 1: not a new city.
Speaker 2: Okay, just know I was being respectful.
Speaker 1: I I don't necessarily disagree with you. Next time you
Speaker 1: see Jimmy, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not really interested in his answer.
Speaker 1: I think really that interesting.
Speaker 2: You're right, the one interesting thing here is Ronald Acuna Junior.
Speaker 2: What are we going to get this year? Because this
Speaker 2: is technically a tier list that is ranking them in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, not just who they have in their
Speaker 2: entire career, and you'll see more evidence of that lower
Speaker 2: on the list. But I mean, you can't discount what
Speaker 2: Acuna did in twenty twenty three, which is not that
Speaker 2: long ago, A forty seventy season, which still doesn't sound real,
Speaker 2: still sounds like a video game season ops above one
Speaker 2: thousand that year, a one seventy one ops plus playing
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty nine games when he did it
Speaker 2: too like, so he's still capable of that. We just
Speaker 2: got to see what it looks like in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: But I think it's it's too it's too soon to
Speaker 2: say that he's not that player anymore. I'd need to
Speaker 2: see him this year and see how he moves and
Speaker 2: see if there really is limitations on his speed and
Speaker 2: defense to truly start to move him down the list.
Speaker 2: He is still elite in my mind.
Speaker 3: So it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a a complicated second tier
Speaker 2: because he can make arguments for any of these guys
Speaker 2: being above one another. I do think Judge is above
Speaker 2: them all, but I think it's fine to have them
Speaker 2: all in the same tier and then next year we
Speaker 2: can have an interesting discussion if one guy separates himself
Speaker 2: from the pack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Ronald Acuna is it's gonna be his
Speaker 1: age twenty seven season. So some of these other young
Speaker 1: up and comers were gonna come up on, We're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, oh, he's you know, he's pretty good. He's
Speaker 1: twenty six. Ronald Cooney has an MVP in the bag.
Speaker 1: He's a four time All Star, three times Silver Slugger,
Speaker 1: a guy that's kind of known for his speed, or
Speaker 1: at least with the seventy stolen base season. He has
Speaker 1: a career nine o four oh ps. Career yeah, career seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the way you laid it out was very fair.
Speaker 1: Like he he doesn't deserve to have a lot of
Speaker 1: the crown taken away from him. It is very interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do those legs feel over a whole season? But
Speaker 1: it is funny that if you were, hey, say you
Speaker 1: were to come in and be like, hey, Ronald coonyr
Speaker 1: Junior is not going to steal bases anymore. Well, what
Speaker 1: if I could give you a nine hundred ops Because
Speaker 1: not a lot of other guys can at baseball or
Speaker 1: in the right field position. So I already feel a
Speaker 1: little relieved. I thought the discussion might lead us to
Speaker 1: Ronnie might have to bump down. I like that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: You can make a case of like we were unfair
Speaker 2: to Sean Murphy for the same season, the same reason,
Speaker 2: but his his peaks were not nearly as high. I
Speaker 2: think it's a completely different scenario.
Speaker 1: Correct, man, I we're just churning down the list, But
Speaker 1: I want to because I think that's how right field
Speaker 1: plays out. Because I think this next tier is absolutely electric.
Speaker 1: I put hot air balloon. I was going between that escalator.
Speaker 1: It just feels like these guys and Okay, maybe think
Speaker 1: about this. The class above these guys. Wan Soto just
Speaker 1: got eight hundred million dollars to play baseball in a
Speaker 1: new city, in the same city. Kyle Tucker is about
Speaker 1: to get so much money. If he has a Kyle
Speaker 1: Tucker season, he is about to get so much money.
Speaker 1: Ronald Cooney Jr. People are nervous about that contract, but
Speaker 1: if he gets another one, he's gonna make maybe some
Speaker 1: of the most money a hitters ever made in baseball.
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge pretty good contract, home run record, handsome tall.
Speaker 1: So the guys above them that I think a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys are going to join, or some have
Speaker 1: already joined. Fernando Tatis, I believe.
Speaker 2: Deserves to be here.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting baseball card. Look, but we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that Corbyn Carroll. For me, it was a really slow
Speaker 1: start last season that you could spend either way. The
Speaker 1: fact he got out of it and still had a
Speaker 1: really nice year is a great sign for a baseball
Speaker 1: player as young as skilled than he is. And then
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm missing someone else as a part
Speaker 1: of this speech.
Speaker 2: I have a Jacksonurio with these fellas.
Speaker 1: I think you're correct. What Jackson Trio did. We want
Speaker 1: to talk age is twenty years here, Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think he finished twenty and twenty unless he missed in
Speaker 1: one stat line and he got progressively better as the
Speaker 1: season went on. That I mean, I love that group.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a lot of good things to say
Speaker 2: about all these guys. I'll start with Chorio because he's
Speaker 2: the freshest in the mind for me, because the Mets
Speaker 2: played the Brewers in the Wild Card, and if the
Speaker 2: Brewers had won that series, you would hear his name
Speaker 2: talked about a lot more. He did it on both
Speaker 2: sides the ball. He was every at bat, he came up.
Speaker 2: I was nervous as hell because at twenty years old,
Speaker 2: this dude is the real deal. He can go out
Speaker 2: there and get it. He did have a tony twenty season.
Speaker 2: Like you said before, he was a four war player
Speaker 2: at age twenty. Yeah, twenty years old, he did that.
Speaker 2: He only finished third in Rookie of the Year voting
Speaker 2: because how stacked the class was between Skens and Jackson Merrill.
Speaker 2: But I do believe this guy's is the limit for
Speaker 2: this year. He was the number two prospect in all
Speaker 2: baseball entering last year and he totally lived up to
Speaker 2: that resume. And then with Corbyn Carroll. You take a
Speaker 2: look at his page. You remember the pretty tough first
Speaker 2: half that he had. Overall, his numbers still landed in
Speaker 2: a pretty fine place. They're not what you probably expected
Speaker 2: coming off an MVP five and twenty twenty three, a
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, obviously a World Series birth, but
Speaker 2: still a great season twenty twenty as well twenty thirty. Actually,
Speaker 2: if you want a nitpick, still a three war player,
Speaker 2: and I do believe he's capable of much better. And
Speaker 2: we saw that at age twenty two when he was
Speaker 2: also that young doing that thing. The one that's kind
Speaker 2: of weird is Fernando Tatzis junior, and I do think
Speaker 2: that he fits here, But it is weird because he's
Speaker 2: been a baseball player in MLB for a longer time.
Speaker 2: He's moved positions. We all know the baggage that comes
Speaker 2: with the front half of his baseball card, those pretty
Speaker 2: alien offensive numbers that he hasn't quite reached since and
Speaker 2: maybe he won't ever again. But if you take him
Speaker 2: for what he has been the last two years, which
Speaker 2: has been a Platinum Glove defense right fielder, a guy
Speaker 2: that'll hit you twenty home runs and steal your twenty bases,
Speaker 2: I think he's still an elite caliber player that can
Speaker 2: go up even further once he gets more and more
Speaker 2: acclimated to this role. So if I was ranking Fernando
Speaker 2: Tatis the shortstop from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: there's no way he doesn't enter that second tier. He's
Speaker 2: there for me. He's a tremendous offensive upside, a canon
Speaker 2: for an arm, can carry a lineup, can come through
Speaker 2: in big moments. All those things are still true, but
Speaker 2: the offense has taken just a tiny step back. Is
Speaker 2: still great and he plays a different position now, so
Speaker 2: the competition is completely different. So because he's such a
Speaker 2: weird case scenario, I think it's totally fine that he
Speaker 2: fits in this third tier. Plus he's only gonna be
Speaker 2: twenty six, so he's still young as well. I like
Speaker 2: this group a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I'm wondering if people do have questions
Speaker 1: about any of this, Like Fernando was becoming the face
Speaker 1: obviously the PD stuff, and I guess I don't know
Speaker 1: where the crowd lands. I mean, the last image I
Speaker 1: have of him is him dominating in the playoffs, like
Speaker 1: to a silly degree. Cordyn Carroll in Trio. If that's
Speaker 1: confusing to anyone at home, maybe you fell asleep. At
Speaker 1: the halfway point of the season, Corbyn Carroll had a
Speaker 1: six thirty five OPS in the first half. Jackson Cherio
Speaker 1: had a six to seventy eight OPS in the first half.
Speaker 2: Didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Corbyn Carroll had a nine to nineteen OPS in the
Speaker 1: second half with seventeen stolen bases. Jackson Charrio had a
Speaker 1: nine to fourteen OPS in the second half. So Forchurio,
Speaker 1: it felt like young man adapting to league.
Speaker 2: Which I think I'd like like I'm matching if those
Speaker 2: halves are flipped right, I think we feel a lot
Speaker 2: differently about.
Speaker 1: Different taste in your mouth. I think for Trio twenty
Speaker 1: years old figuring out this league, my goodness, watch out
Speaker 1: and Corbyn Carrol, I think there was a little bit
Speaker 1: of bad luck. I think the swing got disconnected for
Speaker 1: a little bit, and kind of like you said with Tario,
Speaker 1: I very much value this. I mean, baseball kicks a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the teeth to bounce back and
Speaker 1: put up a you know, with Corbyn Carrol's speed, those
Speaker 1: are MVP ish type second half numbers. Very impressed by
Speaker 1: both of them. And with all of that being said, Tatis,
Speaker 1: if you said for next season, give me one of
Speaker 1: those players, I think people lean Tatis.
Speaker 2: I think it just no.
Speaker 1: The one sixty two numbers last year aren't super impressive,
Speaker 1: but you know there's more in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like if it's the next five years question,
Speaker 2: obviously it's different. But I'm saying the most complete player
Speaker 2: right now is Tattoos. Like with Carol, the shoulders kind
Speaker 2: of scary because that's where the explosion in his swing
Speaker 2: comes from. It's from whipping that shoulder out. Then Chorio,
Speaker 2: like Pitch just could adapt to that first year. We've
Speaker 2: seen tons of sophomore slumps. He'll be twenty one, he
Speaker 2: has time to grow. But I think with tattoos and
Speaker 2: you saw what he did in October, like you mentioned before,
Speaker 2: you know what you're gonna get. And that's why I
Speaker 2: think you know you can't put him any lower than
Speaker 2: the third tier.
Speaker 1: Right field bringing the noise a little bit. And again
Speaker 1: we haven't even gotten a stud finder. Again. People might
Speaker 1: love this, people might hate this. I'd say, let's chew
Speaker 1: a couple guys off.
Speaker 2: The board, let's clean it up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we are looking at a lot of faces
Speaker 1: at the bottom of our screen that we will now
Speaker 1: put on your screen random player generator. At first, I've
Speaker 1: thought about naming this Guardians or Rockies random player Generator,
Speaker 1: which that felt super rude. I think Big Christmas goes
Speaker 1: on the list just because he's so handsome and strong.
Speaker 1: But again, with a lot of these other guys we're
Speaker 1: wrestling with, my guy John Kenzie has a lot to
Speaker 1: figure out offensively and defensively. Though the power's real, Jolly
Speaker 1: Power's real.
Speaker 2: I think he probably ends up as third as their dh.
Speaker 1: Does he get hurt by Oscar Gonzales happening a few
Speaker 1: years ago? You know what's he definitely a little bit right.
Speaker 2: It's like kind of the same story came up and
Speaker 2: hit immediately, had a huge postseason and then did you
Speaker 2: know tailed off. I'm not saying that's gonna happen Noel,
Speaker 2: but like it's definitely, no.
Speaker 1: Definitely, it's just in everyone's head. Like I feel like
Speaker 1: if John Kenzy Noel was following a player that was
Speaker 1: super well like that had a ten year career, we'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, he's gonna be there. Yeah he's instead like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's going to be that Like you.
Speaker 2: Said that a lot with the Guardians in general.
Speaker 3: That's what they've got last like Guardian's power hitting outfield?
Speaker 1: Are they?
Speaker 3: They turned in fell off quick?
Speaker 1: This is rude to I believe that's Griffin Conine, mister
Speaker 1: Marlin's son, which is pretty cool. I get the nod
Speaker 1: for the Marlins. So again, we like that, but that
Speaker 1: Josh Pelasios on the Pittsburgh Pirates. We love the Palacios family.
Speaker 2: We saw Richie take a step last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's hope there. Who else is a random player generator?
Speaker 2: I got, I got Sam Hilliard down here. I think
Speaker 2: we know who he is at this point in his career.
Speaker 1: Are we putting Chris Bryant down there? Do we need
Speaker 1: both of them?
Speaker 2: Both?
Speaker 1: Feel slightly?
Speaker 2: My only my only.
Speaker 1: In Colorado?
Speaker 2: My only counter is we give Chris the hobby treatment. WHOA,
Speaker 2: because I do think it's it's gotten a little bit
Speaker 2: to that point.
Speaker 1: I think putting him on random player Generator. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: put them both on there, next to each other, preferably
Speaker 1: anyone else I don't like looking at.
Speaker 2: In my head's good, But like.
Speaker 1: I don't think he needs to be on I think
Speaker 1: we only need one guardian representative, if I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: is defensively. Will Brennan I believe is good defensively, and
Speaker 1: then he has a three week stretch with a nine
Speaker 1: to fifty ops, and then everything else?
Speaker 2: Do we call Chris ros No?
Speaker 1: Well maybe for the column above this. I think everyone
Speaker 1: else will find a home besides those guys. So let's
Speaker 1: see what happens on the rest of our journey. Joe
Speaker 1: Adell's got some interesting stuff. How about the stud finer?
Speaker 1: Let's let's keep you're excited about it? Well, dude, we're talking.
Speaker 1: You know you you wanted to call hot air Balloon
Speaker 1: MLB the show cover athletes or something around that for
Speaker 1: a little bit like that. Like, honestly, one of the
Speaker 1: thoughts that just ran through my head was like, if
Speaker 1: you're a sick pup, a little five dollars sprinkle on
Speaker 1: Jackson Trio and l MVP next year. Yeah, like if
Speaker 1: you leave in young players really taking over, Like it's
Speaker 1: pretty crazy to look at his second half that if
Speaker 1: he puts up, Jackson Trio could stumble into a forty
Speaker 1: forty season next That's nuts. I take that.
Speaker 2: Back, No, and I don't. I honestly don't think it's
Speaker 2: that nuts.
Speaker 1: It is and it isn't. But again, depending thirty, depending
Speaker 1: how you like to use your five dollars edules that studfinder,
Speaker 1: We're about to run into a lot of guys that
Speaker 1: I don't want to say cornerstone pieces, but pieces that
Speaker 1: you look at your roster and you're like, I I
Speaker 1: love that.
Speaker 2: These are my high, high ceiling guys.
Speaker 1: Why don't you?
Speaker 2: I also would like to co name this tier Acquired
Speaker 2: you and out of the Park Baseball, because I think
Speaker 2: I've acquired each of these four guys at some point
Speaker 2: that's that's for someone.
Speaker 1: In the answer for someone.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, some really good names here. One name that
Speaker 2: absolutely shocks me, but it needs to be here, and
Speaker 2: we'll get to him in a little bit. But we'll
Speaker 2: start with the Rookie of the Year runner up, Coldon Cownser,
Speaker 2: who had a nice little age twenty four season, one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty three games, three war one, twenty three
Speaker 2: ops plus twenty four homers. Very nice numbers across the board. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I think he might have tailed off a little bit
Speaker 2: in the second half, if I'm not mistaken. I feel
Speaker 2: those numbers popped a little bit more first time. No,
Speaker 2: he was the second half guy, which I like.
Speaker 1: I think the AL Rookie of the Year. It had
Speaker 1: ebbs and flows to rookie. Colton definitely had a tough
Speaker 1: stretch at one point in the second half. Wells limp
Speaker 1: to the finish line. Heels worst ass with the second half,
Speaker 1: So that was a It was a hodgepodch for a lot.
Speaker 2: It was one of the races of all time. But
Speaker 2: he belongs in this list for sure because I think
Speaker 2: he's capable of a lot more. Baltimore is going to
Speaker 2: need him to be capable of a lot more in
Speaker 2: this upcoming season because they are losing a lot in
Speaker 2: their lineup with Anthony Santander going to a division rival.
Speaker 2: So I like Cowser a lot. I loved Baltimore kind
Speaker 2: of championing the Cal uniforms in the stands for him.
Speaker 2: I thought that was really fun. And he's not quite
Speaker 2: hot air balloon for me because I don't know how
Speaker 2: good it can get, right, But I am excited to
Speaker 2: see what he does in his sophomore season, Like I
Speaker 2: am very excited to see what Lawrence Butler does this year,
Speaker 2: because he really popped off and was a fun player
Speaker 2: to watch when the A's came to City Field. I
Speaker 2: didn't realize how big that dude was. I didn't realize
Speaker 2: how fast that dude was. Pure athlete, is younger than
Speaker 2: Cowsier's gonna be twenty four next season, put up three
Speaker 2: war in one hundred and twenty five games, hit twenty
Speaker 2: home runs, kind of just quietly like, I wouldn't call
Speaker 2: him a breakout candidate for next year because I think
Speaker 2: he's already broke out, But I do think he can
Speaker 2: do even better things next year, and that that A's
Speaker 2: lineup is getting sneaky, kind of deep. I'm not lying,
Speaker 2: it's kind of nice. I don't mind it.
Speaker 1: Colin Kowser, he played a chunk of center field last
Speaker 1: year that that deserves some street credit. He bounced around
Speaker 1: to all three outfield positions. It's a really strong Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year type campaign that Yeah, you're right, I
Speaker 1: mean they're banking on it. Also not part of this list,
Speaker 1: but one of the more fun personalities, like a real
Speaker 1: personality too, not like he's doing someone else's stick or
Speaker 1: trying like he's he just kind of goose with the fellas.
Speaker 1: So we like that Cowser, we like that el Butt. Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: we need to see a little more. That's that's it. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it happened. It was fun. One hundred and twenty five games.
Speaker 1: And again like I don't I'm sorry if you said
Speaker 1: this on the way through, but I don't remember him
Speaker 1: getting off to a hot start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was a pretty ugly start.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean July second through the end of the season,
Speaker 3: three h two batting average with a nine forty three
Speaker 3: ops that July one dot July.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So there's a there's a lot of ways you can
Speaker 1: chop that up. You know, he he had two months
Speaker 1: of incredible baseball around that not as much. So again,
Speaker 1: this this guy was a prospect. This guy, he's shown
Speaker 1: almost all of the tools. Why not belief? Why not belief?
Speaker 1: Let's let's say the light bulb is on for him,
Speaker 1: same with Kowser. Did you mention Waler Bray?
Speaker 2: I did not mention our guy. Wheelier was kind of
Speaker 2: a sneaky dark horse in the Rookie of Year race.
Speaker 2: He got some votes six overall. I thought he would
Speaker 2: have placed a little bit higher. But he just kind
Speaker 2: of does a little bit of everything, like sort of
Speaker 2: a very young but almost I don't want to say
Speaker 2: complete player, but can help you in a lot of
Speaker 2: different ways. I know Red Sox fans love some Whee
Speaker 2: year Bray. You I believe he came over via trade. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was in the Christian Vasquez trade from Red Sox
Speaker 2: to Houston. That's how they got their hands on him.
Speaker 2: If you like baseball savant pages, this is one I recommend.
Speaker 2: The play discipline isn't quite there. But also he was
Speaker 2: a rookie last year. Ninetieth percentile or higher an ounce
Speaker 2: of a average and arm strength like that a lot glove. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't realize the defense was a new update, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like he's a special defender out there ten to fifteen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and also like running back. If that doesn't speak to you,
Speaker 2: I don't know what does. He's another one of the
Speaker 2: Vibes guys too, kind of like Kawser and uh he
Speaker 2: had He had a lot of growth last year, which
Speaker 2: is pretty cool. I think the Bat was kind of
Speaker 2: a concern for a lot of people. They knew what
Speaker 2: he was defensively, and I think that's what the Red
Speaker 2: Sox are kind of trying to focus on. They're trying
Speaker 2: to build a better defensive team and just hope that
Speaker 2: some of those guys could click. Will Years certainly did,
Speaker 2: and he's been involved with some trade rumors, but I
Speaker 2: think he's staying put and I'm excited to see what
Speaker 2: he does at Fenway in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he was such a he was such
Speaker 1: a weird one at the beginning of last season. It
Speaker 1: was like, okay, twenty eight games, he kind of went nuts,
Speaker 1: as he what. Yeah, So yeah, for him to put
Speaker 1: together a nice three and a half four season one
Speaker 1: two with a gold Glove age twenty five again like
Speaker 1: him cows Aer like this grouping currently feels like one
Speaker 1: of our most united groupings of just young. I can't
Speaker 1: tell you the next steps, like just knowing how baseball works.
Speaker 1: One of these guys. In two years, we're gonna look
Speaker 1: back and be like, oh my god, remember he was
Speaker 1: with those guys and that that kind of sucks. But
Speaker 1: that's just being honest, and that's baseball. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's anything to even do with these guys. I think
Speaker 1: it's like the baseball gods.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, you want to know one thing for
Speaker 2: all these guys, Sure, all three of these young left
Speaker 2: handed hitting right fielders, give me some league average numbers
Speaker 2: against left handed pitching. El Butt was the one that
Speaker 2: did it. It was a very small sample though, eighty six
Speaker 2: at bats. But the other two are very clearly profiled
Speaker 2: as platoon bats right now. If they can hit both
Speaker 2: sides like Corbyn Carroll, like Jackson Trurio, like Fernando, that's
Speaker 2: how they move up because then they are everyday players.
Speaker 2: They already bring you something defensively and they don't have
Speaker 2: that hole in their offensive approach.
Speaker 1: Yea, I was I've left this out when I was
Speaker 1: looking at trio staff page. He wasn't great versus lefties
Speaker 1: last year.
Speaker 2: But that's an easier solution.
Speaker 1: That's in the plus column.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's like a oh well he will be
Speaker 3: Someone teaches him that you want him to be good
Speaker 3: looks better so you know, righty supremacy, you get you,
Speaker 3: he'll keep getting those chances.
Speaker 1: Elba Kowser a bray you. I do think we have
Speaker 1: to ruin this row.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they look like such a great it's a great trio.
Speaker 1: It's a great trie. Like you said, it left and
Speaker 1: skilled and probably never elite elite, but like those fun
Speaker 1: really good ballplayers, you remember that You're like, how good
Speaker 1: was that guy? For a little bit? Like they they
Speaker 1: all feel like they hit that chord. I have two
Speaker 1: two maybe for this category.
Speaker 3: One that I feel like is in consideration.
Speaker 1: So the one that we aren't sure what to do
Speaker 1: with currently and may become his own category. Ta Oscar Hernandez.
Speaker 1: He's he's a stud. Finder. Yeah, he's a stud. He's
Speaker 1: not young like these young bloods. Ta Oscar's a stud
Speaker 1: that he needs to be in this area, whether it's
Speaker 1: above or with them. I think you could still spin it.
Speaker 1: The other one is gonna send us probably down a
Speaker 1: bad five minute wormhole of who the hell is Matt Wallner?
Speaker 2: Yea? And why is Matt Wallner?
Speaker 1: Because we did this last year, did we? Yes?
Speaker 2: Why do I have no memory? Because it's I feel
Speaker 2: like today's the first day I ever looked at his page,
Speaker 2: and it's shocking how good his numbers are.
Speaker 1: One hundred and sixty nine career games. He has a
Speaker 1: one thirty nine OPS plus an eight sixty six OPS.
Speaker 1: It's not real, So I'm I'm not sure, Like I
Speaker 1: don't even know how do the Twins use him hitting
Speaker 1: first or eighth?
Speaker 2: I mean he doesn't hit against lefties. He's a platoon bad,
Speaker 2: but I mean he walls righties. That ops goes up
Speaker 2: to nine fifty three against righties, slugging five sixty six
Speaker 2: against righties, And like I mean common down below if
Speaker 2: you've had a different experience, I feel like I never
Speaker 2: hear a peep about this dude. Plenty of talented players
Speaker 2: on the Twins, especially offensively. Are we calling Trev about
Speaker 2: Matt Waalner.
Speaker 1: Declined?
Speaker 2: Did he decline? So it's tricky, but I'd be baseball today.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have cell phone service where he lives, so
Speaker 1: you can't like actually call him. Then you're facetiming. We'll
Speaker 1: see he.
Speaker 2: Double declined you. I think they might be doing baseball today.
Speaker 1: We'll see if a text comes back, maybe I'll answer, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: if we did blind resumes, I think we'd all point
Speaker 1: at Matt Wamer.
Speaker 2: Like the player a player b thing. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a good tweet. You should fire that off.
Speaker 1: I used to do a lot of blind player resumes.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll get back in that game.
Speaker 2: That's a really good one.
Speaker 1: Better numbers than while you're brayw more games played like
Speaker 1: he belongs. Who's a butler?
Speaker 2: The only thing he's missing is name value. That's really it.
Speaker 1: Same amount of game played, slash a couple more better numbers.
Speaker 2: He's got the same problem. Like he's another one. He's
Speaker 2: left handed, hitting right fielders like he's in the crew.
Speaker 2: He's in the crew, fully.
Speaker 3: Belongs defensively savant doesn't love his range, loves his arm.
Speaker 3: So he's contributing on that end of the ball.
Speaker 2: Uh ta, Oscar looks so wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're making it.
Speaker 2: I think he's he looks so wrong. Yep, he gets
Speaker 2: his because I don't know what He's not a right
Speaker 2: fielder in my brain at all.
Speaker 1: Right, and this is one that people may be hot
Speaker 1: hot about because Florida played a ton left field last year.
Speaker 1: Taskar hits. He's a constant threat. I think he's got
Speaker 1: to be one of the Blue jays biggest regrets over
Speaker 1: the past few years because he was one of the
Speaker 1: weapons in that lineup.
Speaker 2: Him and Lord has went like pretty much I earn
Speaker 2: at the same time. Right, Yeah, it's tough.
Speaker 1: They like the Blue Jays had a couple of decisions
Speaker 1: to me, and they might have pressed every wrong button.
Speaker 2: It was all about defense.
Speaker 1: But ta Oskar hits a lot. Ta Oskar hits a
Speaker 1: ton as long as he's not in Seattle playoffs. Whatever
Speaker 1: you're looking for. I love ta Oscar. I'm glad how
Speaker 1: things have worked out for him in his career. He's
Speaker 1: kind of going down as like an LA legend like
Speaker 1: him and the crowd had some good stuff going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he such a.
Speaker 2: Perfect complimentary piece of that lineup. Because we talked about
Speaker 2: it with Will Smith a little bit, how he's like
Speaker 2: hitting fourth and second. It's so nice to have Taskar.
Speaker 2: It's like the buffer.
Speaker 1: That's the I think when you're one of these smaller
Speaker 1: media market teams that you're like, if you're more worried
Speaker 1: about team war or the overall product, if you just
Speaker 1: want one of the best pure hitters in baseball, here's
Speaker 1: ta Oscar Hernandez. The Dodgers don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: the sum of the parts. No, we'll just take one
Speaker 1: of the best hitters. Oh, your team's worried about his
Speaker 1: defense over one sixty two, We really don't care he
Speaker 1: catches the one. He has to catch decent arm throughout
Speaker 1: Stanton in the World Series, people forget. Okay, so the
Speaker 1: stud finder with all those young, handsome lefty this has
Speaker 1: been an easy right fielders.
Speaker 2: It's like deceivingly easy.
Speaker 1: It's been cleaned so far. Are there are a lot
Speaker 1: of bodies left that I'm wondering if another Row is
Speaker 1: gonna have to show up? Jolly, you put up the
Speaker 1: ride the d Chris Rose Row right, And I guess
Speaker 1: I'm interested because only so many of these guys do
Speaker 1: I see they're out there for defense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I got I got
Speaker 2: a few names here. I mean these guys are you
Speaker 2: know when they hit you're happy right, like I mean,
Speaker 2: but I think they're mostly known for being short handed
Speaker 2: gloves or short handed arms. Okay, if you will, I
Speaker 2: have Hunter Renfro here. It feels like a disservice to
Speaker 2: put him in random player generator, although the look, the
Speaker 2: look does look like if you asked an AI to,
Speaker 2: you know, give you a picture of Mike Trodden Rose uniform.
Speaker 2: But he's got a really decent career resume. At this point,
Speaker 2: we all know he has an absolute cannon for an arm,
Speaker 2: which I think is a huge plus in right field,
Speaker 2: and if he only played against left inded pitching, he
Speaker 2: would be a plus offensive player. But the fact that
Speaker 2: he's an everyday player in Kansas City kind of the
Speaker 2: last two years. You're not gonna like what you see
Speaker 2: your bottom tiering Hunter run from the last two years.
Speaker 2: Oh against lefties, you're.
Speaker 1: Not gonna like what you see.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Wow, I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and sixty games negative.
Speaker 2: War beyond that the last two years, I thought, this
Speaker 2: is what you're alluding to. His numbers against lefties last
Speaker 2: years have not been good. That was like his one
Speaker 2: tool I had.
Speaker 1: In my bird place, ninety first percentile arm strength of
Speaker 1: the fear. That's what we are doing.
Speaker 3: Ride the d and you hope he runs into the homers.
Speaker 1: That with some home runs is something I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just it's interesting. I'm interested to see how it
Speaker 1: sorts out.
Speaker 2: He was one of the ones where I thought I
Speaker 2: could like blind rip because you just kind of know
Speaker 2: what he is.
Speaker 1: Hunter run for for seven years, did the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he's in a slightly different spot now.
Speaker 2: Maybe Sam Hilliard had an eight twelve ops us year
Speaker 2: where Colorado.
Speaker 1: That I like. Sam Hilliard's a freak. I like that.
Speaker 2: Plus, can is he ride the Day? Do we switch
Speaker 2: these two?
Speaker 1: Does he played defense?
Speaker 2: He plays great defense.
Speaker 1: I'll ride his D I'll switch that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's ride the day. Let's put it from sorry crazy.
Speaker 2: I also have Victor Roblz here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one that jumps. He's an easy D rider.
Speaker 2: I mean, the numbers last year are crazy, but what
Speaker 2: did you say?
Speaker 1: The fact he got the extension made me a little
Speaker 1: mad about the Mariners now, everything that's going on with
Speaker 1: their hitting whatever. I like Victor Roblaz He plays great
Speaker 1: defense and he hit with the Mariners, which again that's
Speaker 1: a feat. I'm going to start celebrating more and more.
Speaker 2: I honestly don't. I'm befuddled.
Speaker 1: This is the story of why my idiot. If Kyle
Speaker 1: Seeger was a Yankee, he'd be in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Uh, Victor, I'm ignoring that. Victor robis in seventy seven games.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, he already killed him.
Speaker 2: Three war, thirty stolen bases, he went nuts, which is
Speaker 2: sixty pays, they're off fifty five obous carried down.
Speaker 1: It makes no sense, no, no, And it's again, it's
Speaker 1: one of those things that unfortunately with recent Mariners culture,
Speaker 1: it has the chance to it just has super egg
Speaker 1: on its face. Potential.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will root.
Speaker 1: I will root for a young man who's played baseball
Speaker 1: on the highest stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll forget and one that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will root for that and the Mariners and
Speaker 1: he's out there for defense. Anything else is a plus.
Speaker 1: And hey, maybe this again very young, young ish still
Speaker 1: that maybe this is just a resurgent part of Victor
Speaker 1: Roblest's career, and.
Speaker 2: I like that for him.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, ride the d.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I had in my brain this as a spot
Speaker 2: for Mike Talkman, But I don't think it. I don't
Speaker 2: think it was.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: He's more an offense guy.
Speaker 1: He's any wide who can who.
Speaker 2: Can play the position, but not as a plus.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he.
Speaker 2: Might be.
Speaker 3: Right field time.
Speaker 2: I'm curious how he was center last year.
Speaker 3: Curious how the metrics will shake out if he can
Speaker 3: actually do set him there talk I saw.
Speaker 2: The majority of games in right field last year, fifty one.
Speaker 1: And then Wrigley wind though, you never know where it's going.
Speaker 3: I never know what to do with guys that are
Speaker 3: kind of sliding around.
Speaker 2: If you get a Cubs nerd in your Twitter replan
Speaker 2: saying actually, don't blame me.
Speaker 3: And if we're doing Mike Talkman there, I think we
Speaker 3: can do Jake Fraley there and not talking about him more.
Speaker 1: Mmmm.
Speaker 2: Curious, interested because Jake Fairley is kind of a name.
Speaker 2: I don't really want to put him in the bottom tier.
Speaker 3: And yeah, on the whole of his defense is also
Speaker 3: about league average, take above what I'm seeing the metrics
Speaker 3: say on Talkman, what a bizarre.
Speaker 1: No, it's funny. I keep looking, and now that Baseball
Speaker 1: Reference has it in your face with the war column,
Speaker 1: I keep expecting one of these seasons to pop up
Speaker 1: and be two and a half War. No, the last
Speaker 1: three seasons are fine, but they're all zero to one.
Speaker 2: War is this Jake and he's like, I mean he's
Speaker 2: racked up a lot of games. This just kind of
Speaker 2: is who he is. I mean, he hit a little bit.
Speaker 2: It he's really not a defense.
Speaker 1: He's hit a little bit the past few years.
Speaker 2: Should we have like a ride the O or something?
Speaker 1: I get the whole show canceled, Jolly Jesus.
Speaker 3: Rice Chas McCormick kind of built for this.
Speaker 2: McCormick kind of right, Yeah, this makes me feel better.
Speaker 1: He has this crazy outlier offensive season. Hates him where
Speaker 1: Dusty was like, you're not a part of the fabric
Speaker 1: of this team.
Speaker 3: But made kind of the coolest one series catching.
Speaker 2: In the lineup.
Speaker 1: And apparently they're slotting him in this year after a
Speaker 1: negative War season. You can't put him anywhere higher.
Speaker 3: If they find themselves acquiring another outfielder, that's gonna be
Speaker 3: Chas going to center and.
Speaker 1: Jake Myers to the bench. Chas McCormick both hit righty,
Speaker 1: throw lefty.
Speaker 2: Mmm, someone's getting traded.
Speaker 1: Mmm. I think they like them be good. If I'm
Speaker 1: being really rude, I think Houston both likes player generating them.
Speaker 1: Just throw one of them out there.
Speaker 2: You have the same guy twice, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Don't care. How about this, Let's do a little what
Speaker 1: are you now? Because that is there's some more fun
Speaker 1: to this. There's some name recognition, and there's guys that
Speaker 1: maybe had a bad year on a bit of a decline,
Speaker 1: or I guess you could spin some young guys in here.
Speaker 1: I think the easy one that maybe getting along on
Speaker 1: name ability. But also this whole team plays for a
Speaker 1: different thing. Cassianos. Yeah, he's he has an or in
Speaker 1: an effect to him that I know. That's not what
Speaker 1: the kids actually, that is what the kids like to
Speaker 1: do lists on. I think you said he was a
Speaker 1: negative war.
Speaker 2: Guy last year, so he has the rare distinction and
Speaker 2: I can stat head it and see how much it's happen.
Speaker 2: And he played. You don't see this a lot. He
Speaker 2: played all one hundred and sixty two games, and he
Speaker 2: was below replacement level, which is one point zero in
Speaker 2: terms of war. That being said, there is inherent value
Speaker 2: to being out there every day hitting twenty plus home
Speaker 2: runs above league garbage offensively and also like very clearly
Speaker 2: a leader on the team, like you can just if
Speaker 2: you watch any Phillies game. He's one of the more
Speaker 2: vocal dudes. Plus he showed up in the postseason, like
Speaker 2: when it was Mets Phillies in the DS. That was
Speaker 2: like the thorn in the side for Mets pitching. They
Speaker 2: could not get this guy out. And it's a shame
Speaker 2: because I think if the Phillies moved on, you would
Speaker 2: have seen a lot more of him and like having
Speaker 2: a hot October and he'd be I think perceived a
Speaker 2: little differently in our minds if he had that crazy
Speaker 2: run didn't end up happening. And I think there is
Speaker 2: a question of like, well, what is he now? Is
Speaker 2: he still going to be the right fielder, because he
Speaker 2: kind of feels like he's going to be their first
Speaker 2: basement But Bryce is there, So is he getting traded?
Speaker 2: What are they doing with all these immovable parts that
Speaker 2: they have at positions they don't play particularly well as
Speaker 2: someone on the out. I don't know. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot of question marks around Castianos. And he is I
Speaker 2: think in the last year of its deal. Now he's
Speaker 2: got two more years, So is he getting moved? Don't
Speaker 2: really know what he is right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is another guy that I think straight war
Speaker 1: judgment would be unfair. He played every game seven two
Speaker 1: ops last year, and like you said, two of his
Speaker 1: last three postseason series he's one dotted the gap in
Speaker 1: between that he was horrendous against Arizona, and that's a
Speaker 1: little bit Nick Castillanos, and he doesn't care, and the
Speaker 1: Phillies don't care because there's time when he's going to
Speaker 1: essentially carry a baseball team, and the way the Phillies operate,
Speaker 1: there's times when he's not and when he's not, they
Speaker 1: have three other guys to fill that in. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess there was something about me that
Speaker 1: felt slightly uncomfortable about this. But it's also the exercise
Speaker 1: of when we mentioned, when I mentioned that el Butt, Kowser,
Speaker 1: rayu Waalner category, probably now that it's four, probably two
Speaker 1: of those four in a couple of years are gonna
Speaker 1: be on a different career trajectory. Nick Cassiano is two
Speaker 1: hundred thirty three career home runs. He's been around the league,
Speaker 1: he's been there, done that. There's something to that, and
Speaker 1: he has that. So it's just a question of what
Speaker 1: is he over one sixty two now? But come October,
Speaker 1: you're either gonna have the best hitter in your lineup
Speaker 1: or the worst in lineup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he gets just the brunt here because
Speaker 2: it's a twenty twenty five tier list, not a what
Speaker 2: have you done for me over your entire career tier list.
Speaker 2: By the way, I did look it up. Three players
Speaker 2: in the last fifteen years to play all one sixty
Speaker 2: two and finish below replacement level. Nick rugnan Odor. I'll
Speaker 2: see he's ascabar okay fun listory.
Speaker 3: In the in his case, in a couple other guys
Speaker 3: who I think are slated to end up here, and
Speaker 3: maybe that'll be a next tier separator when we get there.
Speaker 3: Like these guys just like push comes to shove, they're
Speaker 3: up in a playoff game or or big moment ninth inning,
Speaker 3: like you're not upset that they're up. That's case with
Speaker 3: him and at least Garcia the other team. The other
Speaker 3: team doesn't love seeing these guys coming.
Speaker 2: No, they still got that fear factor to them. The
Speaker 2: last man, what a tough year, didn't I didn't see
Speaker 2: it coming.
Speaker 1: No, it felt like he was breaking out. He felt
Speaker 1: it felt like thirty nine homers and what he turned
Speaker 1: into Tatisa in the postseason, like it felt like you
Speaker 1: could look at all of his stats and they were
Speaker 1: getting better and better. And then last year, who knows
Speaker 1: if it's World Series hangover, who knows, it was a
Speaker 1: slow start, starts compounding on itself. I think he actually
Speaker 1: ended let me see if the splits back this up
Speaker 1: in my head, he ended up salvaging some of the
Speaker 1: numbers a little bit. It's pretty balanced throughout.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing that got that gets scary without a
Speaker 2: lease is that he will He wasn't hitting the balls
Speaker 2: hard last year, which is you know, that's like bread
Speaker 2: and butter for him. The plate discipline was always not great,
Speaker 2: and then defense and base running both took a step
Speaker 2: back too. And he was thirty one last year, so
Speaker 2: like wrong side of thirty approaching. But like that being said,
Speaker 2: he was so good for three years in a row. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I did. I didn't see it happening that fast and
Speaker 2: that drastically, and I.
Speaker 1: Don't think it will. I think again, baseball gods, and
Speaker 1: let's get that team back together. And he had It's funny,
Speaker 1: I was because the splits were throwing me off. He
Speaker 1: had a horrid July, which that splits your splits where
Speaker 1: he had a five four ops tough that August September seven,
Speaker 1: three forty, which is like, okay, that's again not kind
Speaker 1: of what we expect from Garcia. He had a big April,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I could there be injuries, could
Speaker 1: there be something we don't know about. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Could it be age. We'll find out this year. But again,
Speaker 1: if there was, if the WBC was on tomorrow and
Speaker 1: there was runners on second and third and this guy
Speaker 1: was up, you wouldn't like that getting the fours? Who's
Speaker 1: on deck? You're interested in that question.
Speaker 2: You're seeing some of the wildest swings.
Speaker 3: I'm almost tempted to push for this tier to be
Speaker 3: renamed fear Factor, and for multiple reasons because like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe they're not gonna have good numbers over the course
Speaker 3: of the full season anymore. You can't lock it in,
Speaker 3: But like in the moment, you're not worried, and there
Speaker 3: is like a baseline competence, and you know what this
Speaker 3: group provides for the locker room. And I'm thinking about
Speaker 3: throwing George Springer in that group, whose numbers for the
Speaker 3: season ended up better than both of these guys.
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 1: So I don't know George fought. I I oddly tracked
Speaker 1: George Springer's last year too closely because I placed the
Speaker 1: George Springer versus Carlos Correa home runs last year was
Speaker 1: literally tortoise in the hair and it he did win.
Speaker 1: Springer did out Homer Correa last year. And yeah, I again,
Speaker 1: this is one of those things where Okay, Doli Scarcia,
Speaker 1: we saw him perform at the highest level on the
Speaker 1: highest stage. Casianos, we've essentially seen the same George Springer
Speaker 1: used to do. That. His regular season stats have taken
Speaker 1: a step down as he's gotten older. But okay, if
Speaker 1: we saw George Springer in the ALCS hit eighth inning
Speaker 1: take the lead home run, we'd be like, George Springer,
Speaker 1: doesn't he have like some of the most playoff postseason
Speaker 1: home runs.
Speaker 2: He's got the most leadoff Say twenty seventeen World Series
Speaker 2: he had five home runs. He's had nineteen playoff home runs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like lumping them together. What are you now
Speaker 1: is a little soft for our tierless? And yeah, I
Speaker 1: wonder is it like fear over war? Which president uses
Speaker 1: fear over war?
Speaker 2: Put the president.
Speaker 1: We'll keep that he's the president of his days. This title,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put.
Speaker 2: Fear over war, Okay, I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 2: he fits this now I had I had Matt Vierling
Speaker 2: with these guys, but like kind of I don't know,
Speaker 2: because like.
Speaker 3: The vibe anywhere.
Speaker 2: The analysis was kind of the same, but like the
Speaker 2: vibe is different because I don't think anyone clocked him
Speaker 2: as like gonna be a really important piece of a
Speaker 2: playoff team, a team that comes one went away from
Speaker 2: the ALCS. But that's like what he was like behind
Speaker 2: Riley Green. The most valuable position player on a near
Speaker 2: ALCS bound team was Matt Verling.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it's cool, but it's kind of like what whoa
Speaker 2: what are you? Are you actually this guy? Or are
Speaker 2: you the utility guy that we acquired or can you
Speaker 2: be this cornerstone outfield piece.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He also does play great defense if we want to
Speaker 2: do that, but I do I feel like he's better
Speaker 2: than the guy's in right the day.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny because he's on. I never know
Speaker 1: if it's because I was young or dumb or both,
Speaker 1: and I think baseball has changed that he's on, Like
Speaker 1: in my head growing up. This is like the traditional
Speaker 1: not top prospect prospect path. Yeah, like, got called up
Speaker 1: at twenty four, twenty five, got some run, didn't exactly click.
Speaker 1: Age twenty six got his chance to play, was okay,
Speaker 1: Age twenty seven gets his chance to play is a
Speaker 1: little better that. It's like, this is almost the pivot
Speaker 1: point of Matt Vierling, and maybe we need another category.
Speaker 2: God, that's just pivot point or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, cause I know he's a blind
Speaker 1: spot for you. Josh Lowe is like really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a blind spot for me. I I don't
Speaker 2: really know much about.
Speaker 1: Him, but he was hurt last year and the stats
Speaker 1: aren't that good, so I don't know what to do
Speaker 1: with that. Okay, maybe this is what we should do.
Speaker 1: We should tell people who's maning, so maybe in their
Speaker 1: heads they can start sorting. I see Matt Vierling, I
Speaker 1: see Joe Adell. Well, I'm gonna they maybe see the
Speaker 1: numbers there because I know he's homering, but I think
Speaker 1: that was it.
Speaker 2: He fits the theme of pivot point, but he is
Speaker 2: They does not have the same numbers as the other two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Jordan Walker, Joe Adele and Jordan Walker, feel
Speaker 3: like they fit together, Joe Adell, Jordan Walker, and I'll
Speaker 3: even put Josh low with them. I think there's something
Speaker 3: with young talent that hasn't really fully happen. There's something there,
Speaker 3: Dylan Cruise.
Speaker 1: Does he go with them? Is that unfair?
Speaker 2: It's a little unfair. I mean, we don't really but
Speaker 2: then we're just.
Speaker 1: Like rookie section of of right field right now.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 2: I feel like, maybe he does go there because does
Speaker 2: the Nats kind of need him to be good? And like,
Speaker 2: is it is it?
Speaker 3: You're just need we need you to be good some
Speaker 3: some something like that. I might have won too many words.
Speaker 1: There, Okay, would you have it above or below fear
Speaker 1: over war?
Speaker 2: I would have it so too. The only one that
Speaker 2: feels unfair to kind of is Josh Lowe. But I
Speaker 2: just think that's the place for him.
Speaker 1: It's fine, easy has to do more like it's nothing
Speaker 1: is locked in for him. So Joe Deell, Jordan Walker, Josh.
Speaker 2: Low still Increase Cruise.
Speaker 1: I mean, those are some high private profile prospects, guys
Speaker 1: that have shown a little bit, but they haven't gone yet.
Speaker 2: I know I said every episode these so one of
Speaker 2: these guys could be the biggest leap for you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it's like one will leap, one will fall.
Speaker 2: Very prophetic, right, he's a writer, this guy maybe more
Speaker 2: poetry and poetry.
Speaker 3: Some will leap, some will fall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2: Because like Jordan Walker, it's getting scary. I know it's early, right,
Speaker 2: but like he when he didn't hit last year, he
Speaker 2: provided like nothing to the Salo's Cardinals. He can't run,
Speaker 2: he can't field. You don't want a twenty three year
Speaker 2: old DH. So if he's not hitting major league pitching,
Speaker 2: writing is kind of on the wall. That's that's a
Speaker 2: first round pick like that is someone they have and
Speaker 2: a massive prospect, right and like a massive dude six six,
Speaker 2: two fifty, like this is a guy that should profile
Speaker 2: as a potent major league.
Speaker 3: Kdder Jodell is kind of lol, same kind of The
Speaker 3: one that feels the most out of place here is
Speaker 3: strem Ski.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have a place for him yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm currently thirty four years old, so I don't
Speaker 3: think like a leap is coming.
Speaker 1: I don't have yeahs and Vearling on my board yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, verily, Yeah, I mean logically they're.
Speaker 3: Going to be together wherever the dand up.
Speaker 2: When I look at pictures, they fit in that Cassianos Adela's.
Speaker 1: Springer tier kind of those guys.
Speaker 2: But those guys are much deeper resumes at this point,
Speaker 2: and like if they're good, you're not a surprise. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's been playing for a while though, right.
Speaker 3: He didn't debut until twenty eight, but.
Speaker 2: Season Yas has been a two war player every season
Speaker 2: of his career, including twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's that's the biggest raw number B war And
Speaker 3: it's in this I mean, is it above Chris Rose
Speaker 3: ride the D definitely in between fight or Flight, it's
Speaker 3: yeahs Veerling, talkman, Jake Fraley.
Speaker 1: And it's you White, you Ben Affleck.
Speaker 2: Good Will.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with these Goodwill.
Speaker 2: Bunting like these guys, I don't know. Well, I'm glad
Speaker 2: that we're moving.
Speaker 1: Is Sam Hilliard good He's.
Speaker 2: A glove and like talkman and fairly are not defensive guys.
Speaker 2: So I am a little glad. I mean yeah, because
Speaker 2: like yesm skis we know exactly who he is. He's
Speaker 2: a little bit abovely garbage offensively, a little bit limited defensively.
Speaker 1: In between fighter flying to war.
Speaker 2: If he hits twenty home runs, you're very happy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you put them below fight or flight because
Speaker 1: if one of those guys has a good season, Cruiz
Speaker 1: low Walker Adele, they're like cornerstone pieces almost instantly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where Veerling, Yazz talkmen and Frehley aren't going.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I have these as like white boys as
Speaker 2: advertised white bread like wonderbread.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm canceled.
Speaker 2: Let's see right, five dollar roll of the Tellum tune
Speaker 2: me snow on Christmas. It's that, you know, you're really
Speaker 2: happy to see the white on the ground running around
Speaker 2: the heck?
Speaker 3: Is that I'm just trying to be clever, like Unk's
Speaker 3: favorite player.
Speaker 2: Plays the game the right way, Joe's McFly says, who
Speaker 2: but is good?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 1: How about this fits your team at the deadline? Oh?
Speaker 1: I like that a lot, like yeah talking he gets
Speaker 1: on base.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if the Yankees got feeling in July, I you
Speaker 2: hop on some versatility selfie videos be.
Speaker 1: Like, it's your team at the deadline. Perfect gets away
Speaker 1: from how white that whole crop is.
Speaker 2: Is that everyone?
Speaker 1: That's everyone? I'm not putting Will Brennan on. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Will Brennan.
Speaker 2: Will Brennan's bottom for me.
Speaker 1: He is a player generator to be well, yeah, wait
Speaker 1: does he can he ride the day? I think Will
Speaker 1: Brennan plays defense.
Speaker 2: Not really now, well is that center field? That might
Speaker 2: be centerfield?
Speaker 1: He makes highlight plays so it looks like the final board.
Speaker 1: Biggest person in baseball an Judge, war Veterans, Sodo Tucker,
Speaker 1: Acuna hot Air balloon Tatist, Carol Cherrillo, Tasker Hernandez, Tasker
Speaker 1: Hernandez and no other taoskars. Sometimes we do that, but
Speaker 1: nobody stud Finder, Butler, Cowser, a Bray Walner, fear Over
Speaker 1: war Casianos, Garcia Springer, like that Fight or Flight adele Walker,
Speaker 1: Low Cruise. It's your team at the deadline, Veerling Yazz Talkman, Freyley,
Speaker 1: Ride the d Chris rose Hill, your Roblas McCormick, and
Speaker 1: random player generator Noel co nine plasiosro. Well, it's trying
Speaker 1: to cut We were hitting right at a minute, so
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have BBD cut out a couple pauses and
Speaker 1: get us there. And Chris Bryant is right at the end.
Speaker 1: So that was right field position per usual comment what
Speaker 1: we got right? What we got wrong. Thank you to
Speaker 1: Jolly Olive for pushing us across the finish line. And
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