Speaker 1: This is Let's be clear with Shannon Doherty.
Speaker 2: Hello, let's be clear listeners. My name is Samuel Blair,
Speaker 2: and you may recognize me maybe from Cruel Intentions or
Speaker 2: Legally Blonde, Hellboy, or actually a TV series called Zoe Duncan,
Speaker 2: Jack and Jane that I was on on the WB
Speaker 2: with Shannon Doherty. Is my WB network mate who is
Speaker 2: on Charmed at the time. But I am honored, honored,
Speaker 2: honored to be hosting this episode of Shannon Doherty's podcast.
Speaker 2: Not only did she leave us, of course, with an
Speaker 2: incredible body of work and lifelong memories, she is an
Speaker 2: integral part of my childhood and formation of vulnerability and
Speaker 2: showing up. And I only knew Shannon peripherally and on
Speaker 2: the edges of the inside and outside of a reef
Speaker 2: and care, but she made a big impression on me.
Speaker 3: And I can't believe that we are in a world
Speaker 3: that Shannon Doherty is not physically here on She was
Speaker 3: such a such a part of everything for the listeners
Speaker 3: here of course, our fans, and and even for me.
Speaker 3: So there is something that she really connected us all too.
Speaker 3: And so I'm so honored also to have the wonderful
Speaker 3: Amanda Clutes on today, whom I love very much and
Speaker 3: and I want to welcome Ms Amanda, who is also
Speaker 3: a hero and is nominated for an Emmy as co
Speaker 3: host of The Talk on CBS, and also of course
Speaker 3: a Broadway star and beauty in my in my knowledge
Speaker 3: of everything about you, you are a star and a
Speaker 3: beauty and a healthy living advocate with your online also
Speaker 3: so of wellness products.
Speaker 2: Yes yet called proper health at Target, which is so
Speaker 2: exciting to me that you are so so such a
Speaker 2: star in this space. Because of course, Miss Amanda, we
Speaker 2: met you know when you were so front and center
Speaker 2: as like the world's cheerleader in the beginning of COVID,
Speaker 2: when you know, real tragedy struck your life. But and
Speaker 2: that was so formative for me of how to behave
Speaker 2: in a crisis as an option for how to be
Speaker 2: your best self in kind of the most trying, challenging,
Speaker 2: heartbreaking times in my opinion. But hello, and welcome to
Speaker 2: the show. Let's be clear, miss Amanda, how are you
Speaker 2: doing today? Good morning from California. We're both right here
Speaker 2: in California, aren't we.
Speaker 4: I know we're only like ten minutes away from each
Speaker 4: You forgot to mention Dancing with.
Speaker 1: The Stars kid.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no, see there's too much thank you.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, not for me, for you when you
Speaker 4: were saying your introduction.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, well, I've been around like so many years.
Speaker 2: I could either pad this resume or just make it short,
Speaker 2: you know, because I've kind of touched on you know
Speaker 2: so much in this life. But yes, you know what's
Speaker 2: so amazing is, of course you are an incredible dancer
Speaker 2: and performer, and you are a huge reason why I
Speaker 2: actually did something like Dancing with the Stars, and of
Speaker 2: course Shannon, she also danced, and Shannon was you know,
Speaker 2: I remember when Shannon was feeling so so ill when
Speaker 2: she was going through treatment, and I'd still watch videos
Speaker 2: of her on Instagram where she is, you know, heading
Speaker 2: to dance class after a chemo and sweating it out
Speaker 2: and wanting to really feel alive and in her body
Speaker 2: and feel that joy. And I was like, whoa, I
Speaker 2: can't even do jumping Jacks. I can't believe that she's
Speaker 2: showing up for this, And that was really inspiring to me.
Speaker 2: And then you, of course, just seeing you move and
Speaker 2: the joy you had and talking to you, and you
Speaker 2: were actually a huge reason, both of you why I
Speaker 2: did something so out of my comfort zone of dancing
Speaker 2: with the stars. And I was so grateful I did
Speaker 2: because it was such a wonderful example of showing up,
Speaker 2: like just showing up and having people help me and
Speaker 2: just show up and put in the work. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: it really changed my perspective on how I relate to
Speaker 2: other people, how I relate to fans, dancing fans, people
Speaker 2: going through things like it was such an important part
Speaker 2: of my you know, growing up.
Speaker 1: Oh my God, and Selma, what you did on that show.
Speaker 4: I mean the dances you were able to do, and
Speaker 4: your grace and everything that you showed the world. I mean,
Speaker 4: it was just amazing. You were amazing on that show.
Speaker 2: I learned it from watching you, Miss Amanda. That means
Speaker 2: so much, because really, as anyone knows, when you do
Speaker 2: something that's really kind of uncomfortable for you. Although I
Speaker 2: always wanted to dance, I don't, you know, I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not a dancer, and so to even do ballroom
Speaker 2: dances and you know, I was still just still recovering,
Speaker 2: but god, it really moved the needle for me. You know,
Speaker 2: it gave me a lot of stamina and showed me
Speaker 2: that I could get through a day and I could
Speaker 2: get through hard things again, because I think when you're
Speaker 2: so traumatized or maybe not feeling well, you just don't
Speaker 2: know how to expand, yeah, or.
Speaker 1: Even get up and move.
Speaker 5: Yeah, how to get up and move?
Speaker 2: How to expand? I am someone that if I'm left
Speaker 2: to my own devices in grief or staleness or you know,
Speaker 2: when I'm when I'm in a rut, I do like
Speaker 2: to be alone and ruminated on on it for a
Speaker 2: bit and come up with like my plan for getting
Speaker 2: through the day or week. But to do a show
Speaker 2: like that, I found it actually was was amazing. I
Speaker 2: hadn't been on a set for a long time period
Speaker 2: because I had been you know, unwell and able to
Speaker 2: work for so many years, and I forgot how much
Speaker 2: that camaraderie, how much we need And of course we
Speaker 2: were in you know, this really kind of a very
Speaker 2: hard time with people being shut in years ago that
Speaker 2: we all want to forget about of you know, COVID
Speaker 2: times and get getting into a new you know, vibe
Speaker 2: of life and doing a show is is what we do,
Speaker 2: Like it is the best thing for me. It's like, yes,
Speaker 2: I can do that. Someone can tell me to show
Speaker 2: up time no matter what my grief level is, and
Speaker 2: I will do that. You know, I will show up.
Speaker 2: I will learn a dance, I will do something. And
Speaker 2: when someone puts music on and cares for you and
Speaker 2: holds you to learn dances, it is the most vulnerable
Speaker 2: and inspiring and caring kind of camaraderie you can have.
Speaker 1: Do you think really therapeutic?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean it was.
Speaker 4: That whole experience was so healing for me and so therapeutic,
Speaker 4: and it was not what I expected that to be.
Speaker 4: You know, I expected to love ballroom dancing. I expected
Speaker 4: to learn how to ballroom dance.
Speaker 1: I couldn't wait for that.
Speaker 4: But the whole healing and therapy for me and that
Speaker 4: show was a whole different ballgame. So so grateful for that,
Speaker 4: And I'm so glad you had that experience too, because
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 2: I loved it so for our listeners at home. Obviously
Speaker 2: you were going through huge grief and had you already
Speaker 2: written your book at that time. No, it was still early.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, no, the book was out.
Speaker 2: Yeah not okay, So the book was out and you
Speaker 2: were on Dancing with the Stars, and then right from
Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars, you went straight to working as
Speaker 2: like a host, do you Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was already doing that as well.
Speaker 2: And oh you are already doing it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, I know.
Speaker 2: And you had your son Elvis, and you had so
Speaker 2: much now as a single mom who was obviously and
Speaker 2: you know a lot of huge life change and honoring
Speaker 2: your love and marriage and moving on with your career.
Speaker 2: And where are you now, like from that time and now?
Speaker 2: Also for people who are going through huge grief of
Speaker 2: life change or upset or you know, taking care of
Speaker 2: beloved children, anything where you have to show up to
Speaker 2: kind of be your best self when you might feel like,
Speaker 2: how do I do this?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know in a couple however you go through it.
Speaker 2: How what was the real catalyst of being able to go, Wow,
Speaker 2: this grief, this grief is okay? Living in me, I
Speaker 2: mean you always felt like that even from the start
Speaker 2: for me almost you were very like into your body
Speaker 2: about what was happening.
Speaker 5: Yeah, every day.
Speaker 2: But to be where you are now with so much
Speaker 2: going on in the wellness space and so many people
Speaker 2: looking up to you and being such a light for
Speaker 2: so many people, and mom and an incredible mom and
Speaker 2: a sister and all these things. How are you today?
Speaker 4: Gosh, you know, it's so interesting, Selma, because it's like
Speaker 4: I think in the beginning, I was keeping myself so
Speaker 4: busy and not even on purpose. It's just like, you know,
Speaker 4: how this goes, like opportunity comes and and were the
Speaker 4: type of people that yes, yes, yes, and how much
Speaker 4: more can I put on my plate? And I think
Speaker 4: it was a good defense mechanism in the beginning of
Speaker 4: not running away from my grief because I always confronted it.
Speaker 5: You lived it, You lived your grief.
Speaker 4: Yes, I lived it. I was aware of it. I
Speaker 4: you know, writing about it helped so much. Talking about
Speaker 4: it so much helps me. But I really kind of feel,
Speaker 4: honestly like it did take a good like two to
Speaker 4: three years for it to sort of sink in. And
Speaker 4: I'm not even going to joke around. I'm going on
Speaker 4: July will be five years that Nick will be gone,
Speaker 4: which is crazy to me. And this past January February
Speaker 4: was some of my hardest grief months that I've ever experienced.
Speaker 1: That's like four and a half years into grief.
Speaker 2: Did you feel really alone then, like everything kind of
Speaker 2: you know, stabilized in your life and you're like the grief,
Speaker 2: Nick is not here.
Speaker 1: I don't know it was, it was.
Speaker 2: It just hurt.
Speaker 4: It hurt like the beginning of days. It hurts so
Speaker 4: bad that I was on my kitchen floor screaming and
Speaker 4: crying to Nick. One day. I was like, I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I couldn't get out of it. And I will say
Speaker 4: one of the things I have become really good at
Speaker 4: is that when I'm at a low like that, I'm
Speaker 4: immediately like, Okay, what am I doing to help myself?
Speaker 4: Get back into therapy? Let's do some reiki, Let's do
Speaker 4: some energy work, Let's do some meditating.
Speaker 6: Let's so hard when you don't want, like when you're
Speaker 6: in grief, it's so hard to get out of the ball,
Speaker 6: like it's I have. I only have a few good friends,
Speaker 6: like in this life as seriously, so many of my friends.
Speaker 6: I realized last night and had had some grief too,
Speaker 6: because I realized all my closest friends have passed, you know,
Speaker 6: like really every every one of my closest friends, including
Speaker 6: you know, my childhood boyfriend or whatever, They've all.
Speaker 2: Died, and and I actually felt bad for myself last night.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, there's been some. No,
Speaker 2: it has not been, thank God, the biggest grief that
Speaker 2: I feel I couldn't endure, like you know, something God
Speaker 2: forbid happening to my child. The things that I feel like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do if that happened.
Speaker 2: You just don't. You just can't fathom that pain. I
Speaker 2: don't like to touch that, but it is there is
Speaker 2: as we go through life, even just the regular process
Speaker 2: of life, not even huge tragedies. You know, if you're
Speaker 2: lucky to have friends and go on in time, they
Speaker 2: die before you do, you know, And I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was just and I just thought of you, and
Speaker 2: I thought, oh my god, how you could show up
Speaker 2: for your son and be able to be in the
Speaker 2: ball on the ground or be able to you know,
Speaker 2: just have those days where like this hurts. I'm uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I'm uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable. And how to you know, do
Speaker 2: you express that to your son? Because I think there's
Speaker 2: like my son doesn't seem to be affected by my
Speaker 2: moods yours. It seems so sensitive and so in touch
Speaker 2: with you, you know. Of course he I.
Speaker 4: Always said he was an old soul. I'll never forget friend.
Speaker 4: The day that Nick passed away. I got home from
Speaker 4: the hospital around like ten thirty in the morning and
Speaker 4: my girlfriend was watching Elvis and I walked in the door.
Speaker 4: She gave me a big hug. I grabbed Ovis and
Speaker 4: I took him into the bedroom I was sleeping in
Speaker 4: at the time, and I laid down with him. He
Speaker 4: was one, and I looked at him and I was like,
Speaker 4: it's you and me, kid, And I swear to God,
Speaker 4: this little baby at one years old looked at me,
Speaker 4: and the lookie gave me was like I got it.
Speaker 1: I got it. It's you and me, and we.
Speaker 2: Surely remember that, Like I really remember this whole time.
Speaker 2: And I held you. We all held you, but I
Speaker 2: held I personally love you, I just love you and
Speaker 2: know you. But I I just it touched it touched.
Speaker 2: It touched me so much and still does. How you
Speaker 2: are such an incredible mom with your with your love
Speaker 2: and your sharing of just.
Speaker 5: The saved me.
Speaker 1: Elvis saved me.
Speaker 4: I mean that, you know, I was lucky in a
Speaker 4: way that he was only one because I didn't have
Speaker 4: to I got to grieve on my own time. I
Speaker 4: didn't have to watch him grieve as well. You know,
Speaker 4: and and I still really haven't.
Speaker 1: I don't. It's like I don't know when his grief
Speaker 1: will kick in, because he.
Speaker 2: Still is Daddy to bed on the pictures, like, does
Speaker 2: that still is? It?
Speaker 1: Still does? He does?
Speaker 4: And he talks very like because I've always been very
Speaker 4: candid with him and honest. You know, he'll say to
Speaker 4: his friends, my dad died. My dad had holds in
Speaker 4: his lungs and he died. And he just says it
Speaker 4: very like frankly and so like it hasn't hit him yet.
Speaker 1: I don't think, and I don't know when it will,
Speaker 1: because grief is is love that we can't express any longer.
Speaker 2: You and your family have given him so much love
Speaker 2: and all the you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Allergy is telling you my allergies are?
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 2: I lie sometimes and tell people I have allergies. If
Speaker 2: I feel like my eyes haven't like woken up for
Speaker 2: the day, I don't have allergies. I don't allergies. Sometimes
Speaker 2: if I'm too tired, I'm like, oh, my allergies. Does
Speaker 2: anyone have a clarison, because I'm like, I got to
Speaker 2: wake up. I don't think I've ever had allergies.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, are killing me right now.
Speaker 2: Sorry, miss Amanda. That's a thing in your wellness products
Speaker 2: to help with those allergies.
Speaker 7: I wish they did.
Speaker 1: No I have.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take my greens though, in my immunity because
Speaker 4: that's always helpful.
Speaker 2: If there's one thing for someone that does not eat,
Speaker 2: like eat correctly yet in the morning. I'm really learning
Speaker 2: these things. What's one thing you'd tell me I should
Speaker 2: absolutely have in the morning to start my day, because
Speaker 2: I am that person that has black coffee and water
Speaker 2: and you know, a Vitamin D a week.
Speaker 1: Yes, I would say I do.
Speaker 5: That's not true.
Speaker 2: I do have my special things, but I want to
Speaker 2: hear your special Okay.
Speaker 1: I mean I do a couple of things.
Speaker 4: But my first thing is is I blend lembon and
Speaker 4: ginger and olive oil, and sometimes I put a cucumber
Speaker 4: in there and I drink.
Speaker 2: That before you go to the bathroom and throw up.
Speaker 1: No, it tastes really good.
Speaker 4: Then I have my immunity from Proper to get all
Speaker 4: my guidamin seed. Then I have my coffee, and I
Speaker 4: have my greens from Proper, and then I pee for
Speaker 4: like five hours straight. And I'm so annoyed by all
Speaker 4: the liquids I've drink because I just keep going to
Speaker 4: the bathroom.
Speaker 2: If I have your proper greens, if I have that
Speaker 2: on an empty stomach, if I don't do this smoothie
Speaker 2: with the olive oil, yeah, I like an eleven. Sorry,
Speaker 2: then but I can still have those greens and they'd
Speaker 2: still be good to me because I'm really looking for
Speaker 2: a quick way to get in a little.
Speaker 4: Oh no, they're really good and they don't taste greeny.
Speaker 4: They taste like a bright green apple. It's really refreshing.
Speaker 2: Actually, oh really, did you come up with flavor? Like
Speaker 2: all you were like, I need I need this.
Speaker 4: To taste We were very very adamant about it tasting
Speaker 4: good and it not costing a million dollars because I
Speaker 4: wanted it to be accessible, affordable and taste really good.
Speaker 4: Because I really was like, I I look at this
Speaker 4: as like a product that I want my mom and
Speaker 4: dad to drink. My mom and dad are not the
Speaker 4: healthiest eaters. My dad has orioles for breakfast. Yeah seriously,
Speaker 4: And the fact that my dad drinks my greens powder.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I did it. I did right, I did it.
Speaker 5: You did right?
Speaker 2: I know, like you're like, if I've done anything right
Speaker 2: in my life, I finally by doing this product, I've
Speaker 2: gotten Dad to have.
Speaker 4: He drinks it and he's like, this is actually good,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I know, Dad.
Speaker 5: I am really proud of you.
Speaker 2: I mean, it so makes sense you it's You're the
Speaker 2: perfect person for this. How many products do you have,
Speaker 2: because I'm just starting doing collaborations now that I'm you know,
Speaker 2: feeling so much better and I'm back in the workspace.
Speaker 2: How many products do you have?
Speaker 4: Improper We have five different super food powders, and then
Speaker 4: now we have like the sticks of them so that
Speaker 4: you could travel easily. Yeah, and then we have two
Speaker 4: more coming out very soon, and then we've got It's
Speaker 4: so exciting. It's so fun because you know, I love wellness.
Speaker 2: Thank God, there's someone out there that does to help me.
Speaker 1: I mean, my thing is we have one body.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know this, Yeah, that's exactly I joke
Speaker 2: because that's always kind of been my stick. But it
Speaker 2: is the most important thing now, I mean, this is
Speaker 2: this is this is all we have. And now even
Speaker 2: from Dancing with the Stars, you know, and seeing how
Speaker 2: Shannon would dance and you dance, and all these I'm
Speaker 2: not dancing in I saw I saw Sasha the other
Speaker 2: day and now that you know his girl's out of
Speaker 2: town for a while, he's like, you want to learn
Speaker 2: to dance, you know, and I watch them and I'm
Speaker 2: like yeah, and I'm like, I'm going to get in
Speaker 2: such good shape again. You know. It's like, why don't
Speaker 2: I just do that on my own? Oh, because I
Speaker 2: don't to dance. Well, like it's you got to get
Speaker 2: someone getting the energy. And I'm one person in the
Speaker 2: house with my kid who is now thirteen fourteen, so
Speaker 2: he's wanting to be like off, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: it's not so much mom time. And it's really kind
Speaker 2: of hard to generate. I'm not a self generator, like
Speaker 2: I'm a reader. I'm a self I love being alone,
Speaker 2: but I like to read or kind of goofy dance
Speaker 2: by myself. Nothing i'd want to like share with the world.
Speaker 2: And you know, make very simple recipes. You know. I
Speaker 2: like food, cooking, like baking. Nothing that's like good for me.
Speaker 2: Love baking because that's little recipes, but it is it
Speaker 2: is a little you know, it's tough to like self
Speaker 2: generate and get up on the morning and do these things,
Speaker 2: and so I don't know this, This wellness space is
Speaker 2: always inspiring because now I have to. I just like
Speaker 2: even watching those videos on Instagram are like, Okay, in
Speaker 2: the morning, do this for twenty you know, twenty times
Speaker 2: and you will not feel sick. Do this and you
Speaker 2: will have no inflammation. I'm like, okay, I can do those.
Speaker 4: Isn't there like Descline or something where you're like, they're
Speaker 4: all these singing.
Speaker 2: Ones and they're all the ones you see of the
Speaker 2: old people in the park doing and you're like, god,
Speaker 2: I guess when you get old there and do this
Speaker 2: if you're do this. But I'm old now I have
Speaker 2: to start doing this now, so you know. And I
Speaker 2: also I partnered, which I'm so excited about with a
Speaker 2: skincare skincare line that I love because I had gone
Speaker 2: through such a crisis with my skin and not taking
Speaker 2: care of myself and being unwell and all these things
Speaker 2: happening and not knowing what to do. And as soon
Speaker 2: as that had even cleared up, like I felt so
Speaker 2: much better, you know, like a lot this was years ago,
Speaker 2: and so now that I'm doing better and you know,
Speaker 2: kind of shouting out the things that have helped me
Speaker 2: and working on my life, but you know, of sharing that,
Speaker 2: but typically my whole life, I was very I didn't
Speaker 2: pay attention to that, and I really was really comfortable
Speaker 2: kind of being the negative kind of dark loving girl,
Speaker 2: not like negative ooh, but that was just my comfort zone.
Speaker 2: And now all I want to do is feel better
Speaker 2: and look better. And I hope it's not too late.
Speaker 2: Is it too late for me? No?
Speaker 4: And I think, honestly, we are very lucky to live
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles because I even noticed when I go
Speaker 4: to New York. Los Angeles is I think way above
Speaker 4: the trends for wellness and longevity, right.
Speaker 2: I know, I've lived here so long that I think
Speaker 2: the first ten years I lived here, I kind of
Speaker 2: tried everything, and as I was also trying to feel
Speaker 2: better so many years ago, like Santa Monica, it's like
Speaker 2: all the healers went as far as you can west,
Speaker 2: you know, get to Oh I get to Santa Monica.
Speaker 2: They're like, we've gone as far as we can in
Speaker 2: the world with our new teachings, searching for the best
Speaker 2: ways to live our life. And I've done I did
Speaker 2: so many great modalities and you know, yogas and ire
Speaker 2: Veda and meeting so many great people, and then I've
Speaker 2: kind of stepped back from all that and just now
Speaker 2: seeing what people are up to again.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's so many things.
Speaker 4: The hyperbaric chamber, Okay, okay, do you really do that
Speaker 4: because you actually breathe all the time because you exercise.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: But I think that oxygen, like that intense oxygen really
Speaker 4: is amazing.
Speaker 1: I love hyperberic chambers.
Speaker 4: I love saunas I know Sasha is a big sauna person.
Speaker 1: And cold plunge.
Speaker 5: I like the cold.
Speaker 2: I love the cold plunch. I won't do a technical
Speaker 2: one because I haven't bought one, but I have a
Speaker 2: pool that I don't eat. Yeah, just a couple of
Speaker 2: ice cubes in there in the winter. You're like, it is, like.
Speaker 5: I bet it's cold. It's cold.
Speaker 2: I don't know how lot cold A real cold plunch
Speaker 2: as to be. I think my pool's like fifty that's good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not cold enough. Your cold plunge is probably like
Speaker 2: thirty eight.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, for women don't need it as cold
Speaker 4: as men. Men can handle it. I've just learned this
Speaker 4: and listening to a podcast that apparently women should stay
Speaker 4: in like the forty five to fifty degree water, and
Speaker 4: men can go down to like the thirty eight to
Speaker 4: forty three, but it's not necessarily great.
Speaker 1: For women apparently to go that cold.
Speaker 2: Okay, I remember I knew Carral Lagerfeld humble brag, but
Speaker 2: he used to. Yeah, he lost this massive weight, you know,
Speaker 2: but he was much heavier back in the day and
Speaker 2: used as fan because he was fitzing because he wanted
Speaker 2: to cover his double chin for pictures. So like you
Speaker 2: learn all these things. You just see me now as
Speaker 2: I'm getting older, like walking carrying a fan all the time,
Speaker 2: so all the like unsightly parts that I feel are covered.
Speaker 2: But anyhow, what he lost all this weight so he
Speaker 2: could fit into a Eddie's lamine suit. You know, it
Speaker 2: was like going fashion went really tiny, and as the
Speaker 2: great car lager felt was so inspired by all things
Speaker 2: vanity and style and fun, he lost a huge amount
Speaker 2: of weight naturally to look amazing, and he did, but
Speaker 2: he would only swim, you know, his pool. He kept
Speaker 2: very warm because even if it was like a little
Speaker 2: bit under, he felt that it built like an adipose
Speaker 2: tissue that was unsightly. Oh interesting, So when I jump
Speaker 2: in my cold pool. All I think is like, oh no,
Speaker 2: am I like growing my like whale fat to protect me?
Speaker 2: Oh like the you know what I mean? That's he
Speaker 2: was so sensitive about it. When he was doing laps,
Speaker 2: He's like, I can't be in a cold pool.
Speaker 1: But that's so funny. I've never heard of it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to developed like an adipose tissue.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is hilarious.
Speaker 2: I think my mother would have been like my mother
Speaker 2: was one of those people that was like, nothing looks
Speaker 2: as good as being thin feels, you know, like nothing
Speaker 2: tastes as good as being bad. The things you can't
Speaker 2: say now because we're in two and twenty whatever we're
Speaker 2: in and people don't talk like that. But when I
Speaker 2: was growing up, yes, you were allowed to say things
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean I was a dancer, professional dancer.
Speaker 2: Right of course.
Speaker 5: You heard her full life.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so refreshed.
Speaker 5: It's really comfortable for me for.
Speaker 2: People to like be like, hey, hey, get yourself together.
Speaker 4: Yeah no, I mean my my whole sixteen years on
Speaker 4: Broadway was about how you know, I mean, every diet
Speaker 4: and every weird thing I try. I mean, I remember
Speaker 4: for a while I was eating celery for dinner as
Speaker 4: my dinner.
Speaker 5: How'd that do?
Speaker 2: How'd that go? Have energy for shows and stuff? Like?
Speaker 2: Did it matter?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 1: Ironically, Well it was celery and peanut butter. So maybe
Speaker 1: it was the peanut butter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and that's like a healthy big meal day
Speaker 2: if I'm accelerate peanut butter. Arthur's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I can't believe you could.
Speaker 4: I mean, you just look back at these things. You're like,
Speaker 4: what was I doing? But you know, when you're you
Speaker 4: have that dancer mentality and and you know, like you said,
Speaker 4: I guess we could do.
Speaker 2: Anything when we're young, Like our body is like holding
Speaker 2: all the reserves of our energy and vitamins and like
Speaker 2: we have such a store to draw from. But I feel,
Speaker 2: as I age and I'm quite a bit older than you,
Speaker 2: I really do need the wellness and the advice and
Speaker 2: that because for someone that didn't train themselves young, and
Speaker 2: it wasn't on team sports and didn't have I did
Speaker 2: do sports and things, but I really didn't have that
Speaker 2: mindset of you know, keep going with a smile type
Speaker 2: of vibe. I keep going, but I'm going to let
Speaker 2: you know that I don't want to be here, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like I, as my friend says,
Speaker 2: you know, like I've needed to like take a lap
Speaker 2: and like adjust my attitude. And now I do feel
Speaker 2: like in my life I've taken a few laps and
Speaker 2: I'll take many more gladly. Like I'm not claiming to
Speaker 2: be Susie's sunshine, but I've changed so vastly. Yeah, in
Speaker 2: the past, like probably six years has been my growing
Speaker 2: up years. And I'm so impressed by you. What an
Speaker 2: early bloomer you are. You're such a young one and
Speaker 2: I look at you and I'm like, yeah, I got
Speaker 2: here now, you know, I have a whole different life.
Speaker 2: I've lived in a whole different sphere of things in
Speaker 2: school and Midwest and whatever. But it is pretty it
Speaker 2: is pretty incredible to at least kind of feel a
Speaker 2: little bit like I'm on the Amanda Clues vision of life.
Speaker 1: I just feel like.
Speaker 4: We kind of I feel like we keep evolving and changing,
Speaker 4: and I think there's eras of life, and you know,
Speaker 4: I mean I'm in a new not I'm not in
Speaker 4: a new era, but I would say like since twenty twenty, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's just been a lot of growth for me, especially
Speaker 4: just you know, being in this world alone now raising
Speaker 4: Elvis as a single mom.
Speaker 1: You know, that's like a whole new growing era for me.
Speaker 4: And it's been very very informative, hard, fun, awesome.
Speaker 2: Do you have your work friends? Like, do you have
Speaker 2: work friends? Do you make your la group of friends?
Speaker 2: It's such a hard place here I find it. I'm happy,
Speaker 2: but I am I'm an isolator because it's such a
Speaker 2: commitment to get in a car and do something. We
Speaker 2: live close. I couldn't adore you more. We haven't seen
Speaker 2: each other in a while. I go to text you,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, I didn't respond to this
Speaker 2: from nine years ago.
Speaker 4: I love you.
Speaker 1: It's okay.
Speaker 4: I know we do live like literally five minutes five
Speaker 4: to ten minutes away from each other.
Speaker 1: That's absurd.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you ever go hiking, will you please? Like
Speaker 2: I have to have someone just knock on my door.
Speaker 2: That's the good thing about being near Sasha.
Speaker 5: Yes, Like, if he knows.
Speaker 2: That I'm isolating too long, he'll knock on the doors.
Speaker 2: Like sounds sounds like coffee. I don't. That's a terrible accent.
Speaker 1: No, that was actually pretty good.
Speaker 7: That was pretty good.
Speaker 2: Okay, they'll know each other a happy thing, though I
Speaker 2: jump all around just because I can't help it. I
Speaker 2: haven't talked to you in so long that I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know where to start today, ask anything real,
Speaker 2: but you know that one of one of our favorite
Speaker 2: things is going places that are gorgeous, like hotels. I
Speaker 2: really love it so much. Do you still get out,
Speaker 2: Like are you a hotel snob or just your good
Speaker 2: attitude carry you through the worst of hotels?
Speaker 1: Oh I'm gonna admit that I'm a hotel snob.
Speaker 2: Oh good because you were off to sometimes like on
Speaker 2: Broadway or traveling, if you did dance stuff, troops or
Speaker 2: this or that, and we can go along for anything
Speaker 2: paid like I've done horse shows and whatever. Like I
Speaker 2: can go to a Best Western, no problem. I mean
Speaker 2: like I have Motel six, no problem, Like thrilled find
Speaker 2: you know what you're getting. But if you're going, you know,
Speaker 2: like great, wonderful, clean, happy, but for a vacation, like
Speaker 2: to really get away like no.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I always say, if I'm leaving my house
Speaker 4: that I love so much, in my bed that I
Speaker 4: love so much, and everything's so comfortable and comforting, I
Speaker 4: need to like we have to we.
Speaker 2: Have to exceed that. We have to exceed my house
Speaker 2: is it beach, beach or mountain.
Speaker 1: I'm a pisces. I have to love the water. I
Speaker 1: love the beach. Yeah, it's healing for me. I love
Speaker 1: the mountains too.
Speaker 4: But like I if I can wake up and go
Speaker 4: to sleep on the beach, I'm so happy, Like it
Speaker 4: just is what I need in life.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite thing in the entire world.
Speaker 2: I feel the same way. We're gonna have to get
Speaker 2: a house by the beach.
Speaker 1: One yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 4: I I luckily with my fitness brand, I get to
Speaker 4: travel a lot and teach.
Speaker 1: And I was just in.
Speaker 4: Cabo teaching, Oh my gosh, and it was lovely. And
Speaker 4: I was in Hawaii last month teaching. So it's really
Speaker 4: a fun you know. I worked so hard to build
Speaker 4: that company, and now it's the reward of being able
Speaker 4: to travel and teach all over the world and stay
Speaker 4: gorgeous hotels and meet people from all over the world
Speaker 4: and inspire, you know, hopefully inspire and motivate them to
Speaker 4: get move in and move their body.
Speaker 2: Are there so many people? Do people come up to you,
Speaker 2: do they look at you for the movement and dance
Speaker 2: and wellness, or there's still so many people that come
Speaker 2: up to you for you know, how you help them
Speaker 2: get through their own hard times.
Speaker 1: I think both a lot of people. I think both
Speaker 1: a lot of people are very grateful to have the motivation.
Speaker 4: And then a lot of people have come up to
Speaker 4: me in the grief community, and I'll say, it's like,
Speaker 4: that's something that's super unexpected. You know, when I lost Nick,
Speaker 4: I didn't know anything about grief. I had lost a gram,
Speaker 4: I had lost grandparents.
Speaker 2: Right, I was going to ask, had you touched a
Speaker 2: real tragedy before that? Although very Oh, if you think
Speaker 2: touch losing your young husband when you're a young single mom,
Speaker 2: it's just not when you're away from your family, you
Speaker 2: moved to a new state, start a new life, and
Speaker 2: everything you're blindsided on a you know, Sunday evening or
Speaker 2: I can't remember what you know, but blindsided in your
Speaker 2: life is irrevocably changed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's a side, it's a it's a level
Speaker 4: of grief that I'd never experienced. And so I will
Speaker 4: say what has helped me so much is connecting with
Speaker 4: other people in the grief community, especially other widows and widowers,
Speaker 4: and I never would have thought that, but it is
Speaker 4: so comforting. I was teaching a fitness class in New
Speaker 4: York the last time I was there, and this woman
Speaker 4: came up to me afterwards, and she said, I'm a
Speaker 4: fellow widow and I just like my heart and I
Speaker 4: just we gave you to the huge hug. And she's like,
Speaker 4: I have three kids and I lost my husband three
Speaker 4: years ago, and.
Speaker 1: We just like I instantly did with her, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we don't. I don't always go through my
Speaker 2: day with big connection, even though you know you might
Speaker 2: want to or whatever. But it's when there is a
Speaker 2: woman that comes up to me, well not just women,
Speaker 2: but it usually is women. I think that I probably
Speaker 2: had affected in my own life, but people come up
Speaker 2: to me and have gone through something similar like lost
Speaker 2: a parent from a chronic illness or you know, neural
Speaker 2: you know, neural degenerative issues and some things you know
Speaker 2: that you know in my own health experiences that might
Speaker 2: have touched them, or my attitude or wanting to move forward.
Speaker 2: It is it's like an it's it does so much
Speaker 2: for me, you know, it grounds me in that day
Speaker 2: and gives me so much gratitude for being where I
Speaker 2: am now, and I want so much now for other
Speaker 2: people to know that they can that they can have hope,
Speaker 2: because if my attitude can even change, and and that's
Speaker 2: really what getting a diagnosis for me really helped me
Speaker 2: love myself more because it gave me the affirmation that
Speaker 2: I hadn't been feeling well for so long. And I
Speaker 2: think someone when you when you don't feel well for
Speaker 2: so long, other people, you know, when you're you just
Speaker 2: think there's nothing you can do. It really affects people
Speaker 2: obviously out in the world who are in that same boat,
Speaker 2: and of course you with it, going through unparalleled grief,
Speaker 2: and then they find themselves in a similar boat. You know,
Speaker 2: there's real touchstones that people have in you and and
Speaker 2: maybe even in my story, and I do find that
Speaker 2: kind of such a gift. And like Shannon obviously back
Speaker 2: to Shannon as we're on her podcast, but her vulnerability,
Speaker 2: her strength, and you know, she was of course always
Speaker 2: lovingly known as the bad girl, and I had met
Speaker 2: her in the you know, after the bad girl era
Speaker 2: that she joke about, you know, what does the bad
Speaker 2: girl doing? And she turned out to be such a
Speaker 2: good girl in her vulnerability and her strength in that
Speaker 2: in sharing it with what was sometimes a really unkind
Speaker 2: media world to her in some ways like early in
Speaker 2: her life, you know, being in the spotlight for her
Speaker 2: in your life since thetle House on the prairie or whatever.
Speaker 2: And that was just an incredible impact that Shannon had
Speaker 2: and that I found too, and that I'm that I
Speaker 2: know that you find and now have like that, that
Speaker 2: gratitude for that touchstone and knowing that you've affected people
Speaker 2: and how that human connection means so much.
Speaker 1: It means so much. It's everything. We don't go through
Speaker 1: things better alone. We just don't. It's like, right, you
Speaker 1: need people around.
Speaker 2: You want to and I do. I want to crawl,
Speaker 2: and I mean at the time you want to, like
Speaker 2: how do you find the energy? But I did feel
Speaker 2: very blessed that people knew who I was, so some people.
Speaker 2: I got a lot of love to get through things,
Speaker 2: you know, from strangers, the kindness of strangers, and more
Speaker 2: so even earlier, even before my diagnosis, when I had
Speaker 2: had my own issues with sobriety or gone through something
Speaker 2: humiliating and you think the world is going to be
Speaker 2: so unkind and how do I get through this? And
Speaker 2: it really was strangers and you're looking to that don't
Speaker 2: have judgment on you, that can hear your own for
Speaker 2: going through things or going through an embarrassment or or
Speaker 2: fear of that. And I don't know, there's just so
Speaker 2: much to be said for being open and honest if
Speaker 2: you can in your life. It's not for everyone to,
Speaker 2: you know, to share things. But I did feel kind
Speaker 2: of lucky. I don't know what I would have done. Well,
Speaker 2: I guess I wouldn't have been in the spotlight if
Speaker 2: I hadn't been known, and it wouldn't have happened that
Speaker 2: you haven't been you know, public grieving or humiliation or
Speaker 2: joy or care. So it's just it's a really it's
Speaker 2: a really interesting, interesting life to be on. And I'm
Speaker 2: so grateful there's people like you. I mean, really, I do.
Speaker 2: I think. I think my angels and things for the
Speaker 2: people who've given me messages and you have even your sister.
Speaker 2: How's your sister doing? Is she's still in France?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's still great. She's in pair, she wrote that.
Speaker 2: I mean, she you guys inspire me so much. She
Speaker 2: went after a dream and found love. And so I'm
Speaker 2: moving to Paris tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's doing so well.
Speaker 4: And she was just here visiting me and yeah, she's
Speaker 4: doing great. I mean, yeah, talk about somebody again who
Speaker 4: like went through you know, tragedy at a divorce and
Speaker 4: then just picked up and restarted her life and and
Speaker 4: made something completely new for herself.
Speaker 1: You know. I think it's like again, it's that reinvention and.
Speaker 2: Reinvention of writing your story, and I like, really writing
Speaker 2: the story you want. Yeah, but last night I was
Speaker 2: listening to someone and someone said, no, you need to
Speaker 2: write down three things you want to achieve. It has
Speaker 2: to be at least three things, and if you can't
Speaker 2: think it, you can't do it. And I was like, God,
Speaker 2: I don't really ever think of anything, huh. I just
Speaker 2: really do live in the present, you know, and sometimes
Speaker 2: that definitely gets you in trouble. You have to have
Speaker 2: a plan, But what are three? Like, I'm almost afraid
Speaker 2: to think of three because I'm want to think of
Speaker 2: great things, like I want to do, you know, I
Speaker 2: want great things.
Speaker 5: And yeah, you're like.
Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to like, I don't want anyone
Speaker 2: to know. Like it's kind of like that tradition of like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, don't have your shine so big, you know,
Speaker 2: because my mother is always like that, like don't ever
Speaker 2: any let anyone see you coming, and someone's always willing
Speaker 2: to take you down a peg and no, you know,
Speaker 2: moth to a flame. If you're too light, the moth comes.
Speaker 2: And I've had all these like brain programming of you know,
Speaker 2: stay small, stay small, you know, and over there and
Speaker 2: safe and and you and Shannon, also you're a testament
Speaker 2: that you do not have to stay small, like you
Speaker 2: can shine big and less is not always more. And
Speaker 2: I want to take that every day with me to
Speaker 2: create my own wellness and my own light like you
Speaker 2: and I love you, and you know we say that
Speaker 2: a lot in this town. But I've loved you since,
Speaker 2: you know, I first laid eyes on you. It was
Speaker 2: love at first sight. And I'm so happy that you're
Speaker 2: in my life. And maybe one day I'll actually see
Speaker 2: you like I love you. I know, number.
Speaker 1: I do. I'm gonna come knocking new dorm. We're gonna
Speaker 1: go on a hike.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Maybe I could teach us a sexy dance because I
Speaker 2: was watching you like really like it's it's you have
Speaker 2: a lot of mobility, and I'm really proud of you
Speaker 2: like watch on your like move.
Speaker 1: I just I love it. It's healing for me.
Speaker 4: Moving is movement dance, and it has always been such
Speaker 4: a mental health thing for me, Like.
Speaker 1: It just makes me feel better. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: part of my day. You know.
Speaker 4: We gotta you got to recognize those things. If there's
Speaker 4: something you know that makes you feel better, then that's
Speaker 4: your go to.
Speaker 1: You know, that's my go to movement.
Speaker 2: Yep, movement and do it now and keeping Oh my,
Speaker 2: I love you.
Speaker 5: I love you too.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Amanda for being on here on
Speaker 2: Shannon A. Doherty. Let's be clear, and let's be clear.
Speaker 2: I am so happy to have been here today and
Speaker 2: just to connect with you and for everyone out there
Speaker 2: who loves Shannon. Hey, you never met Shannon, did you, Amanda?
Speaker 1: No? I mean I grew up watching Illo two.
Speaker 4: I know though, so I mean like I grew up
Speaker 4: with her, But no, I never got to meet her.
Speaker 2: I wish you could have met we were we I
Speaker 2: just know like that you I mean not look, I'm
Speaker 2: like you just would have loved No. But she I
Speaker 2: just I can see you know, not not that I
Speaker 2: knew her so much, but I really I want to
Speaker 2: thank you, and I'm so excited for your line. And
Speaker 2: while I'm on here, I'm so excited for the line
Speaker 2: that I've also joined ESK evidence based skincare, which I
Speaker 2: love so excited about as that was a huge way
Speaker 2: feeling better in my world, to heal a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of things in my skin and keep finding
Speaker 2: the best of me. And and also I have a
Speaker 2: club with a with A. There's so many things that
Speaker 2: you inspire me, like you can have your hands and
Speaker 2: a lot of things that you love. That's what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to do. So I also am you know, involved
Speaker 2: in also a kind of lifestyle luxury brand called Mercy
Speaker 2: that I'm going to do a collab with, So I'm
Speaker 2: so excited about that. And so you inspired me a
Speaker 2: lot for for getting out and actually doing things that
Speaker 2: i'd love.
Speaker 1: You inspire me. You inspire so many.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: It's so good to see your face.
Speaker 2: Yay, it's so good to see your face too. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much, miss Amanda. I can't wait to see you.
Speaker 2: And beautiful Elvis. Can we please get him together with Arthur? Yes, Arthur,
Speaker 2: how to be a sweet sweet boy and Arthur.
Speaker 1: You'll be obsessed with he loves that age.
Speaker 2: Arthur is super fun and punky and awesome and a teenager.
Speaker 2: I love him so much.
Speaker 1: Love you.
Speaker 2: This has been a wonderful conversation with you. Thank you
Speaker 2: Amanda for being on this episode of Let's Be Clear,
Speaker 2: and thank you to everyone listening. Stay well, stay positive,
Speaker 2: and until next time, nah bye bye