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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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Speaker 2: there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and we are going deep

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Speaker 2: underneath the City of Perry, City of Lights, City too

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Speaker 2: busy to sleep because it eats big apples in this

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Speaker 2: episode of Stuff You Should Know.

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Speaker 1: That's right, big thanks to Anna for the contribution here

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Speaker 1: on the Paris Catacombs. Have you ever toured the Paris Catacombs?

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Speaker 2: Yes? I have?

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Speaker 1: Have you I have not, and I think I remember

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Speaker 1: you telling me that you had. I've been to Paris

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Speaker 1: three times, have not yet done this. It was not

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Speaker 1: on my radar the first two, didn't have time the

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Speaker 1: third trip. So if and when I ever get back

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Speaker 1: to Paris, it's on the list I recommend.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been to the Mulin Rouge?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so the Mulan Ruge is generally topless dance numbers

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Speaker 2: typically right, Yeah, did you notice that when you're at

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Speaker 2: the Mulan Rouge, boobs just there were so many boobs

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Speaker 2: everywhere that they just totally lost all context and meaning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, twelve year old Chuck was like, I don't understand what's.

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Speaker 2: Happening, right, But I'll bet even twelve year old Chuck

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Speaker 2: was like yawning by the end of it, right, because

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Speaker 2: there's just so many boobs everywhere that they're just it

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Speaker 2: doesn't doesn't mean anything anymore. The catacombs are the Mulan

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Speaker 2: Rouge of human bones.

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Speaker 1: Oh, so many skulls that it's just like whatever, there's

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Speaker 1: another skull.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's bizarre because you realize you're just like,

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Speaker 2: ho hum, there's another dead body. There's another dead body,

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Speaker 2: there's another leg bone. But it's still worth going to

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Speaker 2: just because it's so bizarre. But there's just so many

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Speaker 2: human bones around you that you just it's like your

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Speaker 2: brain just gets saturated and you just stop thinking of

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Speaker 2: them like that.

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Speaker 1: So the JSA, the Josh SAT would be Mulin Rouge

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Speaker 1: is to boobs, as the Paris Catacombs is to blank

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Speaker 1: human bones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be the right answer choice A. What would

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Speaker 2: be the other choices?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Man, I don't know. I haven't taken a test like

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Speaker 1: that in so long. I'd hope you have been to

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Speaker 1: take the SAT again.

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Speaker 3: What it I think?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 3: Okay, how long does that take?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's changed since we were there hours?

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Speaker 2: I remember it taking hours. It used to actually test

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Speaker 2: IQ and now it just tests like retention.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, I'm screwed.

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Speaker 2: So here's the other answers. Chuck cod fishing, Yeah, modge podge.

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Speaker 1: And there's got to be one close one like like

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Speaker 1: like gravesite or something. Okay, there you go and you'd

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Speaker 1: be like, no, no, grave wax.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that from back in the day.

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Speaker 1: Is that the human goop that seeps out that you

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Speaker 1: can make soap out of?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's a that's a great j Sat. We

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Speaker 1: should have our own stuff. You should know, Sat. That'd

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Speaker 1: be a fun thing to design.

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Speaker 2: I have, It would be fun. I have one more

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Speaker 2: story about the catacombs, let's hear it. So when we went,

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Speaker 2: I've only been once, uh and it was a few

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Speaker 2: and sister in law and our niece, a very famous

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Speaker 2: Mila who's been in the movies. She played young Mary

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Speaker 2: in the movie Mary that came out on Netflix this

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Speaker 2: past Christmas. Did you know that? No?

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Speaker 3: And you didn't.

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Speaker 1: You didn't shout that one out, So I'm glad you are.

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Speaker 2: Well. We were off so I didn't get a chance to,

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Speaker 2: but it's it's definitely worth watching. It's like pretty religious movie.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's about Mary the mother Mary Mary. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: yeah that Mary. You're like, ah Mary Mary, Sure. And

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Speaker 3: I have to check it out.

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Speaker 1: And I'm also going to forgive you for when I said, Mary, Mary,

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Speaker 3: You passed. You're back in the good graces.

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Speaker 2: Well anyway, Oh back to my story. So little Mila,

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Speaker 2: to the catacombs with us, right, so she's walking around

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Speaker 2: right now? And she said, I boobs right, she right,

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Speaker 2: she said I would be if these were real. We're like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Wow, that's adorable.

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Speaker 2: It was very adorable. What's funny is the irony of

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Speaker 2: the movie ride at Disney Hollywood Studios, but is standing

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Speaker 2: there in the ossiary right, millions of bones, human bones

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Speaker 3: Is like, yeah, that's pretty funny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So those are all my stories about the Catacombs.

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Speaker 2: I figured we should probably start talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is I mean, let's go back in time,

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Speaker 1: I guess. I mean we know already what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's a series of underground tunnels where more than six

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Speaker 1: million Parisians are are there, you know, forever. What's crazy

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Speaker 1: they decided to move them again, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, But you have no idea who's who, Like one

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Speaker 1: So if you go back in time, let's say forty

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Speaker 1: five million years during the Lutesian period, there was an

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Speaker 1: erosion event that caused a lot of what became to

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Speaker 1: be known as Lutesian or Paris rock or Paris limestone

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Speaker 1: or Parisian limestone deposited there, and that is if you

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Speaker 1: go to Paris and you see everything as a sort

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Speaker 1: gives Paris its distinct look because they had loads and

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Speaker 1: loads and loads of it. And the reason we're starting

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Speaker 1: of a vast network of tunnels.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something like thirty two square kilometers of tunnels, which,

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Speaker 2: to put in American terms, is like a lot of bananas. Yes,

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Speaker 2: ten times the size of Central Park apparently is underneath Paris. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's three hundred kilometers of tunnels. Isn't that

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Speaker 3: It's a lot.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, if you think about it, if you

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Speaker 2: And that's what they did. The key is this chuck. Originally,

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Speaker 2: these quarries were sensibly well outside of the city of Paris. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but we're talking about a very very tiny original city

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Speaker 2: over time Paris overtook these old quarries that in most

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Speaker 1: That's right, and that you know, that presents a couple

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Speaker 1: of very big problems. First of all, if you've got

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Speaker 1: And there were numerous incidents of sinkholes, of buildings collapsing

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Speaker 2: Right. That's why another very famous nickname for Paris is

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Speaker 2: the Florida of Europe.

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Speaker 3: Right, I'm sure they love that.

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Speaker 1: The other big problem is that Parisians used to love

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Speaker 2: Your life at your church typically too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like very very locally. And by the eighteenth century,

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Speaker 1: about forty years. Eventually, in seventeen seventy seven, King Louis

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, please? The Inspection General des Cartiers.

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Speaker 2: So carriers is French for careers, and another word for

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Speaker 2: His name, Charles excel f Guillemote.

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Speaker 1: He came along as the chief inspector and said, all right,

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Speaker 1: make sure that they're not gonna keep collapsing. And also

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start moving bodies out of here. We had

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Speaker 1: a million's body problem. Yeah, and we're gonna start moving

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Speaker 1: Holy Innocent Cemetery, which has been around since eleven eighty six.

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Speaker 1: Close these things down and start moving him into these

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And like you said, there was a body problem,

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Speaker 2: I think you kind of touched on it a second ago,

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Speaker 2: where there was a general sense of disease coming from

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Speaker 2: But structurally speaking also so like I guess at the

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Speaker 2: a bunch of bones, move on to the next group

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Speaker 2: of people and bury them for five years. So many

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Speaker 2: people's bones built up over the years that neighborhoods built

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Speaker 2: was interested in reclaiming some really great real estate now,

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Speaker 2: and so they did this, whether people liked it or not.

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Speaker 1: There's a painter named Simon Vouet. What how would you

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Speaker 2: He put them all into a collection that he attributed

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Speaker 1: You're gonna go a long way, baby, stick with me.

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Speaker 1: Should we take a break or you got something else? I?

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, we should probably say that. The reason why

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jim, Jim Morrison can stay where he's at.

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Speaker 2: I look to see if he ever went and visited

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Speaker 3: Oh, just as a tourist.

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Speaker 1: Oh interesting, I just was cured diary today.

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Speaker 3: I went to the catacombs. I found my solace there.

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Speaker 2: Right, it was awesome.

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Speaker 1: All right, So now that break, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: So, Chuck, there's been at the catacombs a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yes, for sure. And I don't want to make you

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Speaker 2: Oh, I want to know.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you later.

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Speaker 2: Oh I know.

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Speaker 1: A lot of i mean monks used to make chartruse

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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. So that's one thing that happened back then.

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Speaker 1: There's been a great tradition of alcohol brewing actually over

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is about fifteen and a half degree celsius

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Speaker 3: That's really funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm finally feeling well. It was I had some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's see what else chuck Oh, I was

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Speaker 2: totally joking when I said there's been hundreds of creative uses.

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Speaker 2: And what's third, brewing alcohol and brewing alcohol depending on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Did you just see them in like adjoining tunnels but

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Speaker 1: But what they're most famous for now is being able

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Speaker 1: Finally they said, you know what, let's just make money

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Speaker 2: It's like point ninety six euros to the dollar I

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Speaker 3: Okay, so pretty close, man, you really keep up with that.

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Speaker 3: Not bad.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: Let me see how my eurostocks are doing. No.

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Speaker 2: Actually, to tell you the truth, I was going to

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Speaker 2: we were there.

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Speaker 2: Has it was? Am I just wrong? It was twenty

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Speaker 2: back then.

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00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think you divide by twenty

444
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 1: ish now. And but my friends that we were with

445
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: were like, I can't even think of it that way.

446
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: I have to.

447
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: I heard if all you have to do is like

448
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: drop a zero and then divide that in half, so

449
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: everyone has to.

450
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: Jump on one and shout how much is this?

451
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: Exactly?

452
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: How long does the tour take? Josh, you went through it? Uh?

453
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 2: An hour? I don't remember it taking an hour more

454
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 2: or less. I don't it was. It's weird because when

455
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: you're in the catacombs, you're out of time, like there

456
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 2: is no no light whatsoever reaching you. The only light

457
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: in there is electric and apparently that's only been around

458
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 2: since the seventies. Before that, they give you a candle

459
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: and take good luck, but it's it's the light that

460
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: isn't there is almost It makes it even eerier because

461
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: it's sodium light, so it's got a kind of an

462
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 2: orangish yellowish cast to it. Oh yeah, it's just a

463
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: weird place to be. So I believe that it's an hour,

464
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: but I have no recollection of how long it took.

465
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds about right. You go down a big

466
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: spiral staircase. There's a lot of stair climate obviously, right.

467
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yes, there is, Okay, like five hundred steps

468
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: or something. Like that. So, yeah, you go down like

469
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: a spiral staircase and there's multiple stairs.

470
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're walking down, down, down Before you enter

471
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: you go, you go through something called the Port Mahone Corridor,

472
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: which has a replica of the Port Mahone Fortress. I

473
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: imagine that looks kind of cool, right, it does.

474
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: I don't remember it, but I looked up a picture

475
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: and a little bit on that. The guy who carved

476
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 2: that was a not a hostage, an inmate at this

477
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: prison for years and redid it from memory, carved into

478
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 2: the stone.

479
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 3: Wow, that's pretty cool.

480
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: And he actually died there from a landslide or a

481
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 2: rock in or something like that. I can't remember what

482
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: it's called. While he was building some steps to get

483
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 2: to it.

484
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 3: Oh geez.

485
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really he dedicated his life to that thing.

486
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 3: That's very sad.

487
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but appropriate for the catacombs. Yeah, if you think about.

488
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: It, if you can just stay right there, if you die,

489
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, seventy two is when electricity came along.

490
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: There is something called Ariadne's thread, a black line to

491
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: ensure that you don't get lost. And I thought, well,

492
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: what a strange name that is.

493
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: Oh, you looked it up too.

494
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ariadney was a daughter of King Minus and

495
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: was associated with mazes and labyrinths. And while it is

496
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: a literal thing painted there, it's also you know, ties

497
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: back to Ariadne and the sort of like while she

498
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: was a person, it's also like a logic, like applying

499
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: logic to all possible routes of a maze to get

500
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: out is Ariadne as well?

501
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also saw that she helped theseus get out

502
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: of the labyrinth by leaving a thread for him to

503
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: follow back after he slew the minotaur.

504
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, what does this look like? Though I couldn't find

505
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: any pictures of this actually in the cateculmy.

506
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: I don't remember it either. Okay, it's supposedly on the ceiling,

507
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: and I think it's just a black line.

508
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 3: Okay, that's yeah, Boy, you don't remember much about.

509
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: This, I don't. It's weird, Like I have pictures of it,

510
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: and I remember the thing with Mila, But like a

511
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: lot of these pictures that I went and looked at online,

512
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't remember seeing that at all. I

513
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: don't think I was drunk. I'm pretty sure I was

514
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 2: fairly sober. I think I just my episodic memories shot

515
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: the Holy.

516
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: Heck you remember those boobs?

517
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: I do. I guess they made more of an impression

518
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: on me than I remembered.

519
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 3: You mentioned.

520
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about some of these chambers. A lot

521
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: of them are like the coolest parts of the catacombs

522
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: are not open to the public and technically officially illegal

523
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: and off limits.

524
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: So okay, but that might that may be why I

525
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 2: don't remember some.

526
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: Of these, because they weren't the super cool once we're

527
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: not on the tour.

528
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: I guess I'm just hey man, I'm just grasping at

529
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 2: straws here. Help me out.

530
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: Well, I looked at some pictures of some of these.

531
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: The Laplage, which means the beach, is a really cool

532
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 1: room because it's got a sandy floor and they painted

533
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: like a beach scene on the wall. But it's it

534
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: looks I mean, all these places look like the like

535
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: where the Lost Boys might hang out.

536
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: You know. That was one of the coolest things about

537
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 2: that movie, that backstory that the crazy, amazing rich hotel

538
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 2: slid into the ocean and now that's where they lived

539
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: and there were old chandeliers coming hanging.

540
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: Out about that.

541
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally what it was super cool. Yeah, what else?

542
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: What other cool rooms are off?

543
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: That's it.

544
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: You're not gonna talk about Sala z or Z.

545
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: I did not look that one up, but there are

546
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 2: let me, let me give you a couple other ones.

547
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 2: There was a group called the Mexican de la pearfores PAFA.

548
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 2: Let's just say it like that. They overtook one of

549
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: the caves beneath the Palais de Chillo and set up

550
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: a movie theater there with a bar and room for

551
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: twenty people to watch a movie. And I did not

552
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: find what movie they showed.

553
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is super cool.

554
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 3: That was.

555
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: A subset of a group called UX, short for Urban Experiment,

556
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: and they are these It's an artist collective in Paris,

557
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: founded in nineteen eighty one and by a group of

558
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: teenagers back then that like they'll do this cool stuff,

559
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: like they snuck into the Pantheon for months in a

560
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: row to restore a clock there, but like on the

561
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: on the down low.

562
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: Yeah that I saw. That was a subgroup of UX

563
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: called the unter Gunther and they were the ones that

564
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: actually did the clock. UX is almost like an umbrella group.

565
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like the group that did the movie theater.

566
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: They were a subgroup, right exactly. And then UX also

567
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: is like a acronym for urban explorer too, which these

568
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: people also are. So they kind of almost made a

569
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: play on slang, which is really something.

570
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is really something.

571
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: But all of these people who sneak down there and

572
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: do stuff are known as cataphiles, and those are the people,

573
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: the urban adventurers who illegally find their way into the

574
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: catacombs to to party, to hang out, to show movies,

575
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: to have concerts and parties and like.

576
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: All things. All kinds of things.

577
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: Are going on down there over the decades, and it

578
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: seems to have re kicked off. I mean they've been

579
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: doing it since the eighteen hundreds. I think they had

580
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: a a Chopin, like forty five piece orchestra did a

581
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: Chopon concert down there.

582
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they played Chopin's Funeral March and I was like, yeah,

583
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with that one. It's Darth Vader's.

584
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: Theme, is it or does it just sound like it?

585
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: It's Darth Vader's There's it's not possible that John Williams

586
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: just coincidentally came up with that. As to the theme, Yeah,

587
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: it's like an adaptation of the funeral march.

588
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: Okay, well that's probably a well known thing, then.

589
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: It's gotta be. I've never heard that before though now

590
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: I know everything there is about Star Wars. Just try me.

591
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: In the seventies and eighties is when it seems like

592
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: the cataphiles really kind of you know, took roost down

593
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: there because it was a great place to go hide,

594
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: like the punk rock movement kind of moved downstairs, underground

595
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: literally underground.

596
00:30:59,280 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: Hey.

597
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: Then they've tried to keep people out over the years,

598
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: but like you said, people are going to find a

599
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: way in if they want to.

600
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: That's right. And I say, we take another break and

601
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: we'll come back and find out. Do people find their

602
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: way in if they want to after this, let's do it.

603
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: So, Yeah, people do find their way in, like I said,

604
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: And they've been doing that a lot since the beginning.

605
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: And you know, besides partying and doing drugs, like there

606
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: are all kinds of like cool works of art, the

607
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: murals painted on some walls, obviously, all kinds of graffiti.

608
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes they leave messages and leaflets and things for each

609
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: other to find and try to avoid. The cataflix, which

610
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: is literally translated as catach.

611
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: Cops Yeah, this is a special detachment of the Gendarmes

612
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: that their whole thing is catching people down in the tunnels.

613
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: And from what I read that, if you're a true cataphile,

614
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: and I guess there was an article in the I

615
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: think twenty fifteen or something like that that estimated there's

616
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: around one hundred genuine cataphiles, the cataflicks are probably going

617
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: to leave you alone at the very least, just maybe

618
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: give you a warning or something like that. If you're

619
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: a tourist in the sense of like the fight club

620
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: support group tourists, then you're probably going to get that

621
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: sixty euro fine because you really, as far as the

622
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: cataflics are concerned, you have no business being down there.

623
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: It's dangerous. You got no respect for tradition, like the

624
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: actual cataphiles too. And something else I read, Chuck, you're

625
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 2: actually trespassing a private property because if you buy a

626
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: piece of real estate in Paris, your ownership extends to

627
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: whatever is below it in the underground. Wow, that sounds

628
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: kind of cool until your house caves in and the

629
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: city's like it's your property top to bottom. So good

630
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: luck with that.

631
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I didn't know that that's pretty cool.

632
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: And they actually at city hall make that sound when

633
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: you come in to ask them for help.

634
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 3: You know, Parisians pioneered the fart noise.

635
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the raspberry, the the spine. That's sixty euros you mentioned,

636
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: I saw sixty five. I mean that's just like double

637
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: the cost of legal entry. So it's it's not the

638
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: biggest fine.

639
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: No, no, no, And it kind of does kind of

640
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: give you a sense that it's not considered like the

641
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: the crime of the century in Paris. But at the

642
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: same time there's a special police attachment to catch people

643
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 2: doing that, so there's almost mixed messages with that.

644
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, the IGC, that inspection group with a

645
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: French name, still maintains it and they've been doing so

646
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: since seventeen seventy seven, and there are still collapses here

647
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: and there, but it is mainly short up. Oh. This

648
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: other thing I thought was fun that the ways that

649
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: people have found their way in. When they close off

650
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: an area, sometimes the cataphiles will go in there and

651
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: like reopen it and make a way to get in,

652
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: and they're called I don't know how you would say

653
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: it in French, but it translates as cat flaps like

654
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: a cat door.

655
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: Kind of cool.

656
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 2: Shatty ears, shatty airs shot is chat that's cat and

657
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: e airs is flaps. I guess.

658
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's been in a bunch of movies and stuff too, right.

659
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the most famous uses of the Paris

660
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: Underground came in The Phantom of the Opera. And I'm

661
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 2: not sure if it was in the original novel, although

662
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: it probably was, but I certainly know that in the

663
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: stage play or the musical, that's where the Phantom lives.

664
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: But more of the point, there's suppose like an underground

665
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: lake there that the Phantom like ros Is gondola on. Right. Cool,

666
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: There actually is an underground reservoir under the Paris Opera House.

667
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: It's not an urban legend that guesst On throw made up.

668
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: It was or Andrew Lloyd Webber, one of the two

669
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: that when they were building the Opera House, to keep

670
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: the foundation from just filling up with water over and

671
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: over again while they were building it, they built a

672
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: reservoir to impound the water in, and so it's like

673
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 2: a twelve feet deep by almost I think like sixty

674
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: yards sixty meters long. Hey, little reservoir that you could

675
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: conceivably sale of gondola on if you were the kind

676
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: of person to live underground.

677
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: Do you know if the water is it continually filling up?

678
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. Give me a break, man.

679
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: Oh what about the average?

680
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: Right? But I mean so it definitely has to be

681
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: constantly replace because they had to build this reservoir, yeah,

682
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 2: to hold the water that was always trickling in. But yeah,

683
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: it makes sense. Why why wouldn't it overflow once in

684
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: a while.

685
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: I don't know that shouldn't a beast?

686
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, you're ruined the story.

687
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: But gamers might recognize the catacombs from Assassin's Creed unity

688
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: pretty cool.

689
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 2: I was looking at screenshots of that. It's pretty neat.

690
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 2: Did you play that?

691
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, I didn't play that.

692
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: Do you play any of them Assassin's Creeds?

693
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: No?

694
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: Do you have something scream?

695
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: No? I just you know, my gaming is limited.

696
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: I see what's your latest game.

697
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: I'm playing a horror game right now called Alan Wake two.

698
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: It's the second Alan Wake and I'd never played a

699
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: horror game before, and it is pretty scary.

700
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 2: So it's genuinely scary. Yeah, that's awesome.

701
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like when you're playing this game and you know,

702
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: they look so good now and there's so realistic. So

703
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: you're creeping around with a flashlight in these rooms and

704
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: you hear noises and see things in it's like it's

705
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: super creepy.

706
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: Are they like jump scares or do they just create

707
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: like a sense of ongoing dread? Both, Wow, that's master.

708
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: Definitely ongoing dread. And then when the jump scare happens,

709
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: when when a bad person comes out.

710
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 3: It's just yeah, it's it's scares, big grown.

711
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 2: Boy, chucky, fantastic.

712
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: Alan Wake to everybody, like.

713
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 2: Alan Wake, like somebody's name, yeah, the second or the sequel?

714
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: The sequel, Okay, it would be Alan Wake Junior. I

715
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: think problem, I guess, so don't call me junior.

716
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 2: Henry Ford the second was not a junior.

717
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, because who wants to be called junior?

718
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'd go with JR. If I was

719
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 2: a junior. Oh, totally call me JR. What does it

720
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: stand for? Stands for junior?

721
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: Uh, here's one cool thing, and this guy might be

722
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: worth a podcast on his own. But there was a

723
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: photographer as he went by the name Nadar. I guess

724
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: in a dar And this is in the eighteenth sixties.

725
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: His real name is.

726
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 3: Felix. I guess how would you pronounce that last name?

727
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: Oh to.

728
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: Sean.

729
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: He was a very accomplished dude, sort of the pioneer

730
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: of the medium. This is early photography and the guy

731
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: in Paris photography wise at the time. But he invented

732
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: a battery operated light basically and is one of the

733
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: first people ever in the history of photography to use

734
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: artificial light to take a picture. And over the course

735
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: of three months starting in eighteen sixty one, he went

736
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: down into the catacombs with you know, eighteen minutes per exposure. Yeah,

737
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: took a lot of pictures of the catacombs and they

738
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: are super cool and creepy pictures from eighteen sixty one.

739
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: They are creepy. What's cool is because of that eighteen

740
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 2: minute exposure time, any of the photographs of workers working

741
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: in the catacombs are actually dummies as stand ins.

742
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 3: Ah, that makes sense.

743
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: It makes it even a little creepier too, if you

744
00:38:59,080 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: ask me.

745
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and those headmones weren't moving, so they're fine.

746
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: I've got I have one more thing for you about

747
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: dummies in underground places. There's a awesome one of the

748
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: great I'm sure. I've talked about before. One of the

749
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: greatest tourist attractions I've ever been to in my life

750
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: was in Budapest. There's something called the Hospital in the Rock,

751
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: and I think it was maybe World War two, maybe

752
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: Cold War, but it was a hospital that they dug

753
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: out of a cave system on a like a stone

754
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: hill in Budapest. Wow, And it's a hospital. It's got

755
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: like that white, creepy subway tile, like there's gurneys everywhere still,

756
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: and it was like, this is a emergency hospital in

757
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: case the town ever got bombed or whatever. And they

758
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: have dummies everywhere, mannequins, and that just just chef's kisses

759
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: it for me, Like it makes it so scary, even

760
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: though they're not trying to make it scary. Yeah, it

761
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 2: just really is. I think if you have dummies in

762
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,760
Speaker 2: your tourist attraction, you've just taken it to another level.

763
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: Like put dummies in your touris. Don't just leave it

764
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: for people use their dumb imaginations, Like give them some

765
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: dummies dressed up and it'll really make it. You'll you'll

766
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: be rolling in the dough after that. I think.

767
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the very least is gonna up the creep

768
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: factor because that just dead, dead eyed expression of a dummies.

769
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: Right. Great, But if you ever go to Budapest, you

770
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 2: have to go to the hospital in the rock. It's amazing.

771
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to ask Emily. You know she took

772
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: a solo trip there a couple of years ago. I

773
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: need to see if she went there.

774
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: I think I asked you if she did or not,

775
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: And I don't know if she did.

776
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: But probably not because she would have. I feel like

777
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 3: I would have remembered her telling you.

778
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: It definitely seems like it would have been up her

779
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: alley though, for sure.

780
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, were their paintings there then?

781
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

782
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: The dummies their faces were?

783
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: Oh that's true.

784
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 3: What about crime?

785
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of crime there over the years, because,

786
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: like you said, that's a good place to pop underground

787
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: and then pop up into somebody's like expensive wine cellar

788
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: or something.

789
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Apparently in twenty seventeen some thieves stole over a

790
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 2: quarter of a million dollars worth of wine that was

791
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: cooling in a cave I guess belong to some winery.

792
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

793
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: Cool.

794
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: People have been stealing bones down there since. There have

795
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: been bones down there, highly illegal.

796
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to do that, I mean, just

797
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: not just for the illegality, that's really disrespectful.

798
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

799
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of them back in the

800
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: day were to sell to sort of like kidaber Selta

801
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: medical students, like, hey, here's a headbone for however many francs.

802
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: Right, shekels, Yeah, what about ghosts, chuck.

803
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course there's going to be ghosts down there.

804
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of more well known than others.

805
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: I think the most well known is a guy named

806
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: Philibert Aspare.

807
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. You can put a little little emphasis on the

808
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 2: tea at the end.

809
00:41:58,600 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: There as sperit.

810
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: So maybe that's a little too much. But somewhere in

811
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: between those two.

812
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: I know I'm wrong, But when it comes to French,

813
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: I just want to drop the last letter of everything.

814
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: Well, they do that a lot, get you exactly exactly Anyway,

815
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 4: He worked at a military hospital in the late eighteenth

816
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 4: century and apparently in seventeen ninety three got lost in

817
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: the catacombs.

818
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: With his own loan candle and never found his way out.

819
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: And just like like I said, the convenient thing about

820
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: dying down there is you just stay there and apparently

821
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: if you bring a candle there, you hear his voice

822
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: just before the candle goes out.

823
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 2: He says, welcomin bienviny.

824
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: Were you creeped out down there? Was it just like, oh,

825
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: this is a cool thing.

826
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: It was not at all creepy. It's not presented to

827
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: be creepy either. It's just it is what it is, right,

828
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: a bunch of bones. Yeah, I was not at all

829
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: creeped out.

830
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta go check it out next time.

831
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: Did you look at that video, by the way, the

832
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: one that's like highly likely faked.

833
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't. I wasn't moved by it at all.

834
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: Were you No, there's this videotape that I think it

835
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: was like twenty seventeen that circulated that was like, you know,

836
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: it's like a blair witch thing, like is it real?

837
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: Is it not?

838
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: It was a guy walking through the catacombs and apparently

839
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: gets lost and starts to freak out and run and

840
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: hear sounds and then the last shot you see is

841
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: like the camera falling to the ground into like a puddle,

842
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: And some people say it's real, some people say it's not.

843
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: It.

844
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: I don't know.

845
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: It feels like it's probably faked, but I wasn't like,

846
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, it was kind of not that interesting.

847
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed, it was like a dull, two sentence horror story.

848
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah agreed.

849
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: You got anything else about the catacombs?

850
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 3: Nope, it's on the list.

851
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 2: Yep, you should go. You'll enjoy it, and don't forget

852
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: the hospital in the Rock too.

853
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: Right.

854
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: Since Chuck said write, of course, that means it's time

855
00:43:59,120 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: for a listener.

856
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: May here's a correction to our Gonk Show episode. Hey guys,

857
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: there was one big error in this.

858
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: Oh I know what she says is an omission.

859
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 3: No, something we got wrong. What was our omission?

860
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: Jane Jane the Dancing Machine?

861
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: Oh you believe we.

862
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: Didn't mention Jane Jane the Dancing Machine in the entire episode.

863
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: I thought we had, but apparently we didn't. But yeah,

864
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: I think big shout out to Gene Jen a legend

865
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: of that show.

866
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 2: I think both of us thought that we had, because

867
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: Olivia clearly included him in the articles in there. I

868
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 2: think we just passed over him and didn't didn't talk

869
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: about him. It's just just sad.

870
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, no disrespect intended. We both loved Jean Jean. How

871
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: do you not exactly, so this was an error. Though

872
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: Chuck Barris, guys, did not invent syndication, it has been

873
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: around in television forever, with some notable nineteen fifty shows

874
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: such as Sea Hunting and Life with Elizabeth. Nor was

875
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: the Parent Game the first indicated game show, or even

876
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: Chuck's first syndicated show. First indicated game shows came in

877
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five Everything's Relative and PDQ and Chuck Barris's

878
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: first four A in nineteen sixty nine the Game Game.

879
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 1: Initially that was to give local stations some color options,

880
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: since old sitcoms wouldn't be in color, but syndication exploded

881
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two because FCC gave the seven point

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Speaker 1: thirty time slot back to the local stations, and for

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Speaker 1: those stations it was cheaper to buy a game show

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Speaker 1: than make than to make local content. I know this, guys,

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Speaker 1: because I'm a bit of a semi pro TV historian.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, with an emphastest on game shows in particular.

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Speaker 1: So I feel a duty when something is broadly mistated

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Speaker 1: as that was, I have to try and correct the record.

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Speaker 1: I had hoped you use Gong this book as one

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Speaker 1: of your sources as it was written by a real

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Speaker 1: life TV historian named Adam Nedef, who I've done some.

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Speaker 3: Research for in the past.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're enjoying The snow today came a little

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Speaker 1: while ago, but that is from Mike Berger in Livonia, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: And Mike, you gotta hang on to your email and

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Speaker 1: we might hitch up if we ever need any insight

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Speaker 1: on TV history.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks a lot, Mike. I mean, criticism from Caesar.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty awesome, totally. Well, if you want to be

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Speaker 2: like Mike and just completely devastate us in something we

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Speaker 2: said and just show how utterly wrong we were, we'd

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Speaker 2: love to hear that stuff, especially if you're an historian,

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Speaker 2: semi pro or otherwise. You can send us an email

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Speaker 2: to Stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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