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Speaker 2: What's going on everyone, Emily Abadi Here.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to episode two hundred and ninety four

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Speaker 3: of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where I talk to

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Speaker 3: inspirational people about everything from their highest hies and toughest

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Speaker 3: of hurdles. My goal through these discussions is to empower

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Speaker 3: For today's conversation, I'm really amped to be bringing you

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Speaker 3: I cannot even do this justice how many messages I

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Speaker 3: the deal with the ring that you're wearing? Why did

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Speaker 3: In my many lives as a multi hyphenate, especially as

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Speaker 3: I cannot believe this, but there's likely a day that

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Speaker 3: is absolutely wild. Nevertheless, I love this conversation. I'm so

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Speaker 3: to it. Let's get to hurdling. Today, I'm sitting down

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Speaker 1: have one and you start to realize that this is

435
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Speaker 1: what it's telling you that like maybe today's a day

436
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, to not try and to go for it.

437
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 1: And then then you realize, yeah, this thing really understands

438
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: how I feel and in fact telling me something I

439
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: don't know, M and I think I think it's interesting.

440
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, what's your take? Do you

441
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: have a do you have a view on how how

442
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: people should be using wearables this way?

443
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: Not necessarily?

444
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 3: I think for me, when it comes to the days

445
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 3: where you otherwise would feel fine, but you're wearable as

446
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: telling you that something's off, I do agree with you

447
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 3: that that's an opportunity rather than something that should be

448
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 3: interpreted as well. The rest of the day is trash, right,

449
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 3: And so if we then take ownership over our opportunity

450
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 3: to interpret the data and in addition think about what

451
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 3: happened the day before, then that is where.

452
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: We can really do something positive for ourselves.

453
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 3: And that also involves accountability and interactivity on the user side, right,

454
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 3: because if you're not keeping track of the different habits

455
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 3: or as you were speaking about how you're really dialing

456
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 3: in now on your diet, if you're not remembering or

457
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 3: keeping track or logging it within the app what's going on,

458
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 3: then you're just going to have data that's not necessarily

459
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Speaker 3: serving you.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, so it's up to.

461
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 3: You to work with the wearable if you want to

462
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: learn more about yourself so that you can do something

463
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Speaker 3: with that information going forward.

464
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Speaker 1: I think that's spot on, and I think this idea

465
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: that somehow you have to do what you're wearable says.

466
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of, you know, it kind of

467
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: misses the market. I do think there is just so

468
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: much value in being able to see the impact of

469
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: discrete behaviors or habits and then to recognize that those

470
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: things are within your control. I mean, look at this way,

471
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: of the things that might kill you over the course

472
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Speaker 1: of your life that are health related, something like sixty

473
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Speaker 1: percent of those factors and maybe sixty percent of the

474
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Speaker 1: fatalities that are a result they are behavioral in nature.

475
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: You know. It's it's the degree to which you sleep.

476
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: It's the degree to which you have a healthy diet.

477
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: It's a degree to which you, you know, keep your

478
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: body moving and keep your physical health. It's a little

479
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: bit your emotional wellness and your kind of you know,

480
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: the ability to find balance in your life. It's the

481
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: social connection and community. These are all the factors that

482
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: like drive wellness and maybe even ultimately drive your health

483
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: that if you don't pay attention to what are the

484
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Speaker 1: results heart attack, the diabeites, You know, those two things

485
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: are the top two ailers in the world, and they

486
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: are very much the behavior. Certainly there's genetic factors as

487
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Speaker 1: well of the things that are really going to affect

488
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Speaker 1: your health. Behavior is is so powerful and if you

489
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Speaker 1: can learn how to modify your behavior, and if something

490
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Speaker 1: helps you do that, then you should absolutely take.

491
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Speaker 2: It back to it. Yeah, I hear you.

492
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: So then the follow up question, the second thing here

493
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Speaker 3: is what keeps someone wearing a wearable if they feel

494
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Speaker 3: as though they've learned what they need to learn from it.

495
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Speaker 3: Why do we stick with wearing wearables when we've had

496
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Speaker 3: the experience Okay, I know if I drink X amount,

497
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 3: I'm not going to recover well. Or I know that

498
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 3: if I eat too close to bed, this is what's

499
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Speaker 3: going to happen for me. So why keep wearing a

500
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Speaker 3: wearable at all?

501
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Speaker 1: So I think this is a really interesting question, particularly

502
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: for AURA, because the thing that is most surprising to

503
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Speaker 1: me about AURA is how good the retention is as

504
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: a metric relative to what we understand to the retention

505
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 1: of other wearables. You know, Famously, if you look at

506
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: the fitbit s one, you know some something like a

507
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: third of the you know fitbits that people are wearing,

508
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: we're still in, you know, being being used twelve months later.

509
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 1: I think what what is most compelling for me is

510
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: to is to have people understand that that their health

511
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: status and the behaviors that are healthy for them, it's

512
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Speaker 1: not static. And to understand that while there are some

513
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: generalized things that help everybody their life and their life circumstances,

514
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: and their genotype and their epigenome and all the things

515
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: that inform their physiology are uniquely theirs, and so there's

516
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: somewhat of an unlimited surface of learning to be had

517
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: because as you go through life, your life condition changes.

518
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Speaker 1: Actually it's interesting today we just introduced a new capability,

519
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: which is it's called Pregnancy Insights, so it's live in

520
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: the app. Now. What it basically does is if you

521
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: tag pregnancy or you tell the app that you're pregnant,

522
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 1: it asks you when your due date is, and it's

523
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: it's kind of a clock of your pregnancy, and it

524
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: gives you guidance as you moved through each stage of

525
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: your pregnancy, and sometimes on a daily or weekly basis,

526
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Speaker 1: say this is what you should be expected. You know,

527
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Speaker 1: your your HRV actually probably will will improve during the

528
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 1: first sromester and oh, by the way, like you're going

529
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: to be sleeping less and your temperature is going to

530
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: go a little bit haywire. Here like being able to

531
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: set that context for someone that's a very discreete journey,

532
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: and it's very different from all the time beforehand. You

533
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: know how I know this because for a long time

534
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: before we introduce this feature, one of the most consistent

535
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Speaker 1: pieces of feedback was, Hey, when I get pregnant, I

536
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: just my data goes haywire and it's not meaningful to

537
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: meeting because I don't I don't, you know, my data's

538
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: gone crazy, but normally my readiness is high. Now it's tanked.

539
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: What is this? What's going on? How am I supposed

540
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: to be listening to my body during during pregnancy? Because

541
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. So what's really interesting is I

542
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: think about why you should wear a wearable and why

543
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: you should keep wearing a wearable is that you have

544
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: these sort of daily cycles we just talked about. You know,

545
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: you sleep well, you feel good. What did you do

546
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: during the day, How are you going to you know,

547
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: how how are you meeting your activity goals? Are you

548
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: feeling health? What's your mood, what's your stress level? All

549
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 1: these things are sure your daily activities, but you might

550
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: also go through a real transition. For women, it's obvious

551
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: you're in your twenties, you get you know, you turn

552
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: into your thirties, maybe you trying to conceive. That's a

553
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: major change women come off of you know, many women

554
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: you know who have been taking hormonal birth control, they

555
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: come off birth control in the thirties and like their

556
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: bodies are changing. Maybe towards the end of the thirties,

557
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: early forties, they get into perimenopause. All sorts of things

558
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: are changing, and you know maybe in in you know,

559
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: your late forties or so, maybe you go into menopause

560
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: and then you know your body has changed and your

561
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: sleep goes crazy and your temperature regulation is crazy, and

562
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: giving your body a voice through that entire arc. Like

563
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: that's a reason we're awarreable, because you're getting the benefit

564
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: of like how did each day go? And should I

565
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: be healthy? You know, what should I do today? What

566
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: did I do yesterday? That's really powerful. And by the way,

567
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: sleep is great because guess what everyone does it every night?

568
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: You know It's like not everyone goes to the gym

569
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: every day. I don't know about you, but like, you know,

570
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: people don't manage to make it to the gym every day,

571
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: but they do sleep, and so that kind of frequency

572
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: of usage is so powerful. And then you couple that

573
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: to the long term benefits of different health journeys. Maybe

574
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: you get sick. I'll tell you this is a great story.

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00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 1: We have a lot of people who wear AURA who

576
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: are managing the chronicles, and I think some of that

577
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: is because we're good at monitoring your health, but also

578
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: because I think the tone of the AURA, which is very supportive,

579
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, it suits well for somebody who's managing. We

580
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: have a lot of those customers. And when you're immuno compromised,

581
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: things like your heart rate variability, your heart rate, your temperature,

582
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: your respiration are really really important biometrics. Why because if

583
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: you're immuno compromised, even a minor infection is a really

584
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: big problem most people, you know, whatever, I have a

585
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: little cold, I got a headache, I feel a little

586
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: bit bad, I have a twenty four hour food and

587
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: they play through. But if you've got a chronic disease,

588
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: a small perject and your health is a big deal.

589
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: And so I think again, going back to like this,

590
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: the power of what your health journey is, which is

591
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: not static. You're not healthy. You know all the time,

592
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: and you know you're going to go through some stages

593
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: in your life. You need to know what's happening so

594
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: that you can better manage it, and by the way,

595
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: the people around you can better manage it. We hear

596
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: this all the time, people who are going through like

597
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: a course of chemotherapy or recovering from the surgery, having

598
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: their partner, spouse, friend, whatever, be aware of their physiology,

599
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: aware of their readiness, aware how they're doing it, and

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00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: then say, hey, listen, you know what, I'm going to

601
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: give you some grace today. I'm going to you know,

602
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to come home early from work and make

603
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: you dinner. I'm going to pick up the kids from school, whatever.

604
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: Whatever it is. That kind of situational awareness about someone

605
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 1: else's health, I'm telling you, I think that's a game changer.

606
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you have a really great partner who's

607
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: super sensitive and aware of your needs, but probably not.

608
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: And by the way, if that person can do it

609
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: in a really like low effort way without having to like,

610
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, interrogate you or monitor your every move and

611
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: understand how you're feeling Wow, that's a powerful, powerful cool.

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00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was interesting.

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Speaker 3: I remember during the height of the pandemic having a

614
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: wearable there would be moments where I would be really

615
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: concerned about my health because of a reading that unbeknownst

616
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: to me, like nothing else would have been wrong with me,

617
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: but all of a sudden, I had maybe a ridiculously

618
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 3: low HRV which stands for heartread variability, or I was

619
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: just trying to figure out what was going on with

620
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: my body. And there were several times that these readings

621
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: were significant or the tip off to something happening that

622
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 3: I wasn't aware of yet. And so I would say

623
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: that that's probably when we're talking about it being something

624
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: that ebbs and flows with you, and that your body

625
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: is constantly changing. There's always going to be helpful data

626
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: or helpful things that you can take from a wearable device.

627
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 3: The question is is what is it that you want

628
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: to do with that information? And for some do you

629
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: want to take the ignorance is bliss approach or do

630
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: you want to actually take ownership of your health moving forward?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think reality is that young people take

632
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: their health print and you know, they can stay out

633
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: all night drinking and go to work the next day

634
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: and feel great. I think that is one of the

635
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: great advantages of youth. Man, you have your first health crisis,

636
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: whatever form it takes, and you suddenly realize that, like

637
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: you are not invulnerable, and that, in fact, that there

638
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: are all sorts of things about your health that are

639
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: fragile and precious and you want to preserve them, and

640
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: people change their behavior. What COVID did was put everybody

641
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: on the planet on notice that their health was fragile,

642
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: and in fact that even something is casual as going

643
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: to a store and trying to pick up some toilet paper,

644
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: even though we all know it's probably not going to

645
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: kill you, is a potential vector for you to have

646
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: a health crisis. And I think that, honestly, I think

647
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: you're calling out COVID is exactly right. Ora was sort

648
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: of made famous on the back of a study of

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Speaker 1: seventy thousand people or a ring wearers who recorded and

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Speaker 3: all of the delicious flavors. Obviously, so many of the

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Speaker 3: other wearables worn predominantly on the wrist. What is your

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Speaker 3: stands feedback thoughts on the placement of the device and

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Speaker 3: how it impacts data.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a critical point because if you think about

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Speaker 1: the metrics that we're measuring and the kind of granularity

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Speaker 1: and accuracy with which we hold ourselves to, particularly if

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Speaker 1: we're looking for subtle deviations as soon as possible. And

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Speaker 1: one of the first things to recognize is that it

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Speaker 1: learns you. It learns your body and your metrics, and

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Speaker 1: that way, it ends up understanding what your baseline is,

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Speaker 1: and then based on that baseline, it will be able

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Speaker 1: to see deviations deviations and temperature deviations and heart rate

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Speaker 1: variability deviations investing heart rate and be able to give

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Speaker 1: you insights as a result of those deviations, personalized to you.

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Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that's most compelling

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Speaker 1: about AURA is that it doesn't feel like after two

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Speaker 1: months you've heard everything the app has to say to you.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm still surprised by things that surface, you know,

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Speaker 1: based on the apps measurement. So okay, it learns your baseline.

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Speaker 1: That is maybe such an important and powerful way to

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Speaker 1: understand the basics of AURA. But to do that accurate,

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Speaker 1: and to do that with you know, kind of the

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Speaker 1: rigor and quality of data to allow those insights to

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Speaker 1: be meaningful and accurate, you need to be collecting data

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Speaker 1: at the highest accuracy, collecting data from the finger with

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Speaker 1: these kinds of technologies. Polyplesmography is by definition, fifty to

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Speaker 1: one hundred times more accurate than collecting on the risk. Why, Okay,

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Speaker 1: when your heart pumps, your blood shoots down your arm

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Speaker 1: and goes right underneath your index finger, and there's an

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Speaker 1: artery there, it's called the Palmer artery, and it passes

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Speaker 1: right underneath the sensors, maybe two to three millimeters away

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Speaker 1: from the sensors on the rank and it's on the

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Speaker 1: leading edge of your pulse, not the trailing edge. So

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Speaker 1: it's arterial flow, not capillary flow or being flow heading

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Speaker 1: back to the heart. And if you think about it,

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Speaker 1: the tissue that you're measuring through is uniform, its skin

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Speaker 1: and a little bit of fat. Contrast that to the wrist.

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Speaker 1: On the wrist, it's capillary flow. There's lots of tissue

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Speaker 1: around here. There's bone, there's sinew, there's hair, there's discoloration

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Speaker 1: from sun because your hands are always exposed to the sun,

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Speaker 1: whereas the palms are not. Many of these technologies depend

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Speaker 1: on the absorption of light to make a distermination about

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Speaker 1: what the signal that your body is sending. That's the

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Speaker 1: data that they're using, is how your your blood flow

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Speaker 1: or your body is absorbing the light that the shining

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Speaker 1: in your body. That difference in location ends up driving

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Speaker 1: a big, big delta in accuracy. And just to put

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Speaker 1: a fine point on when you go to the hospital,

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Speaker 1: where do they clamp a pulse socks sensor and the

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Speaker 1: pulse sensor on the end of your finger And the

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Speaker 1: reason is for exactly the same reason uniform tissue arterial

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Speaker 1: blood flow proximity to the sense. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: a really kind of a key point about RINGS, which

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Speaker 1: is honestly, you know, I think we've always known this

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Speaker 1: and believed it, and it's been really exciting to have

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Speaker 1: science and medicine validate that. If we were to run

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Speaker 1: down the list of all the third party studies, scientific reviews,

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Speaker 1: customers who've done tests like AURA and measuring from the

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Speaker 1: finger is an incredibly accurate device, and in fact, it's

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Speaker 1: arguably why doctors and researchers many times we use AURA

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Speaker 1: when they're trying to get a really really accurate reading

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Speaker 1: on something like heart rate or heart rate variability.

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Speaker 3: Tom, it is wild to think about how much you

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Speaker 3: have learned over the last two years of being the

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Speaker 3: CEO of this company.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, sometimes I feel like you know, there's so

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Speaker 1: much information in my head. I can't wait to get

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Speaker 1: it all out. But it is amazing to me to

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Speaker 1: think about this sort of intersection of physiology, physics, and technology,

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Speaker 1: and it's such a rich and interesting print album. I

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Speaker 1: think for us all, I mean everybody in the industry,

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Speaker 1: I know, I tip my hat to them because there's

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Speaker 1: so much stuff that we don't yet even know. Like,

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Speaker 1: we've got data on people that is seven years of

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Speaker 1: continuous heart rate data, so call that billions and billions

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Speaker 1: of heartbeats whatever it is. I think we've we've tracked

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Speaker 1: ten billion hours of continuous human behavior. Okay, what are

791
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: the data and insights that are locked away in that

792
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: huge data asset. We've barely begun to scratch at the service,

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Speaker 1: and I think I think we're going to be learning

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Speaker 1: things about the long term impacts of behavior and environment

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Speaker 1: on our health, you know, for years to come.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, super interesting, super interesting.

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Speaker 3: You know, this conversation kind of reminds me a little

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Speaker 3: bit of the conversation that I had with Ali Aradi

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Speaker 3: from Tonal. Both of you just so accomplished in your

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Speaker 3: own ways and clearly working at the forefront of health

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Speaker 3: and technology. One of the questions that I asked him

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Speaker 3: that I want to bring here to the table is

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Speaker 3: who is it that motivate you? So, where do you

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Speaker 3: garner your inspiration from being someone that's at the forefront

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Speaker 3: leading a massive company. I think the last time I

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Speaker 3: heard you cite the amount of employees, it's close to

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Speaker 3: the five hundred person range.

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, We're getting.

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Speaker 3: To where do you garner your inspiration from so that

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Speaker 3: you can show up as a leader.

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Speaker 1: I will tell you something. I find the employee base

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Speaker 1: at AURA to be incredibly inspiration and I think partially

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Speaker 1: because everybody at AURA has a really strong sense of mission.

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Speaker 1: They believe in what they're doing. They see their role

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Speaker 1: in the world. The way they're going to make it

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Speaker 1: in the universe is to improve the world's health and

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Speaker 1: to help people foster healthy habits that are going to

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Speaker 1: improve health outcomes for them over the course of their life.

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Speaker 1: They are motivated and driven by this. They are scientists,

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Speaker 1: they are PhDs, their doctors, their technologists, their marketing people.

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Speaker 1: They all have this same shared purpose and share vision.

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Speaker 1: And I honestly, I feel like every day when I

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Speaker 1: jump out of bed and and you know, rush off

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Speaker 1: to begin work. The energy that I get from the

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Speaker 1: group of people I think is really profound. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's one. I think there's lots of people. Honestly, who

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Speaker 1: who should you know inspire us? I think you know

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Speaker 1: somebody like uh, you know Yvonne shoan Ard, who you know,

830
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Speaker 1: is the founder of Patagonia, and like tried to strike

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Speaker 1: a balance between doing good for a company and doing

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Speaker 1: good for the world, and to use his company as

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Speaker 1: a force for for positive change in the world. People

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Speaker 1: like Mark Bennion, he is famously you know, a fan

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Speaker 1: of having companies don'ate at one percent of their of

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Speaker 1: their revenue and charity just to improve, you know, the

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Speaker 1: world that we live in. We all have to work

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Speaker 1: together to make the world a wonderful place. Doesn't just happen.

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Speaker 1: I think about, you know, people like I had Serena

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Speaker 1: Williams on the board of a previous company. Boy, you know,

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about somebody who knows how to win.

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Speaker 1: She is she is a force of nature and and

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Speaker 1: some of that is just about learning and being inspired

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Speaker 1: by the grit tenacity of someone. I'm you know, every

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Speaker 1: day inspired by people like that. Gosha well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you I was just reading this today Mary Bearra.

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Speaker 1: She is the first female Big three auto maker CEO.

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Speaker 1: She's been in cars for a long time, but you know,

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Speaker 1: she was the one who during COVID made the decision

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Speaker 1: over to making ventilators. And she's just a really powerful

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Speaker 1: kind of leader who thinks, you know, bigger than just

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Speaker 1: like how do you drive performance in a company? She

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Speaker 1: thinks how do you make an impact on the world?

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Speaker 1: And maybe that's that's what I find most inspiring about Aura.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's so interesting, the depth, the breath

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Speaker 3: of the individuals that you just mentioned, the opportunity that

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Speaker 2: Us, if we so choose to do so.

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Speaker 3: Another question that I love to ask people who are

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Speaker 3: sure you've read many of personal betterment, personal development, self

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Speaker 3: health kind of books, but whether it's in that category

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00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 3: or not, what's on the top of your must recommend list.

865
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: Well, let's see. I think the first book that I

866
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: would recommend was one that I read right at the

867
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: beginning of war, which is called you know the patient,

868
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: We'll see you Now, And it was about this kind

869
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: of paradigm shift of people taking agency and control over

870
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: their own health journeys and educating themselves using the Internet,

871
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: and the breakdown of the medical industrial complex from being

872
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: kind of an ivory tower where this information was not

873
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: accessible and you needed to get a specialist to tell

874
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: you something. People are well informed now. And you add

875
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: that to kind of the power of wearables to give

876
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: you some insight about your actual biometrics and your health

877
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: status and all the ways that people can track and

878
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: improve that. I think it's a game change. So I

879
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: think that that book really had a big profound impact

880
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: on me. And then because you asked, I'm reading a book.

881
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm actually rereading this book and it's called How Democracies Die,

882
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: And it's a little bit of a study of totalitarian

883
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: regimes throughout history and a little bit how did they

884
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: get there. I think it's important for us today, in

885
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: this current world that we live in, to really be

886
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: thoughtful about the role that being a citizen and having

887
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: a civic concern, you know, plays, And I just think,

888
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's a great read. I would recommend to anybody.

889
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: Have you always enjoyed learning?

890
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: Gosh, I think so. I think somehow, I don't know,

891
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: I got the bug early on, and I guess I

892
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: was always pretty much a bookish kid, and so books,

893
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, were the place where information resided before the internet. Kids.

894
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've managed to clock that, but

895
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't. We didn't have the internet. The

896
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: information wasn't served up to so on a platter. And

897
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: so I think just the process of learning is just

898
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: so I don't know, I find it really energizing.

899
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: And did you always learn well?

900
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: I'm basically telling you that it's clear that you learn

901
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: well because of how much information you have absorbed over

902
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 3: the last two years. So I'm just curious that this

903
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: has always been a skill that you've I.

904
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: Don't know if it's well or better than anybody else,

905
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: or worse than anybody else. I just know that for me,

906
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,439
Speaker 1: you know, And maybe this has to do with time.

907
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: I just, you know, I put in a lot of

908
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: time reading stuff and trying to absorb information, and that's

909
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: probably help.

910
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: I think that that's actually a really good point, right,

911
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 3: because so many times we want to have the answers

912
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: or the information but a lot of individuals won't seek

913
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: to put in the time to get to where it

914
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 3: is that they want to be, And in order to

915
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 3: do that, you need to have a really strong why.

916
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: So in this case, anyway, when we're talking about now

917
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 3: you being two years in almost to the date of

918
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: when you started this role with Aura, your strong why

919
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: was to be at the front of this company and

920
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 3: understand the mark that it can make. And so in

921
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: order to do that, you needed to put in the

922
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 3: work to do the learning one hundred percent.

923
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: And the thing is is that it's it's not a

924
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: static process. You know, every day you have a lot

925
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: of agency and how you spend your time and what

926
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: you do with it. So maybe the free advice i'd

927
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: offered everyone is use that time wise.

928
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

929
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 3: Now, of course, I'm not going to let you escape

930
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: without circling back to that conversation we were having at

931
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: the beginning about you dialing in a little bit more

932
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: on your nutrition. I'm curious not only what that looks like,

933
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: but what you've learned in that process thus far because

934
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: of feedback from your or ring.

935
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think the first thing was, and I

936
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: learned this actually early on, is that sleep is a

937
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: really powerful regulator of these two hormones, and they're you know,

938
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: many times they're referred to as the hunger and the

939
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: sayety hormone. Leptin and grellin are the names of the hormone.

940
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: And it turns out that you know, leptin is the

941
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: one that kind of helps you feel full and grilling

942
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: is the one that makes you feel hungry, and it's

943
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: they're intimately tied to sleep. So, for example, when you

944
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, are not going to bed at the right time,

945
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: and there's a chemical that builds up in your in

946
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: your body that basically, when it reaches a certain amount,

947
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: it's like you're going to sleep no matter what. It's Basically,

948
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: it rises throughout the day and the ant a certain point,

949
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, melotonin gets kicked off in your body, and

950
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: this chemical really is what what causes you to go

951
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: to sleep. If you press past that, your body makes

952
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: you hungry. And so this whole phenomenon of the late

953
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: night snack is a thing, and it's a thing that's

954
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: driven by you know, your biology telling you that if

955
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: you're not going to get rest, you had better feed

956
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: this body. And you know, think about it as an

957
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: evolutionary thing, which is like, how did how did you

958
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: survive when you were stressed or not getting you know, sleep,

959
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: You survived by making sure you had food. So this

960
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: idea of the late night snack was a really interesting

961
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: one because I am, you know, not only great sleeper,

962
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: but I am a great nate lyate time snacker, and

963
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: I can actually regulate my appetite a little bit better

964
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: just by sleeping better. And the thing is, it wasn't

965
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: like I intended to do that. I learned about it

966
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: and I was working on my sleep, and then I

967
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: realized I wasn't snacking and I didn't have the urge

968
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: to snack, and when I finished my dinner, I felt satisfied.

969
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: I didn't have like another you desire to kick on something.

970
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: So so that was sort of the first thing. And

971
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, so improving my sleep improved improved my regulation

972
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: and my appetite. The second thing was, you know, I

973
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 1: started to think a lot about sugar, and I started

974
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: thinking about sugar primarily through the genesis of alcohol, which

975
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, sugar is one of the byproducts of alcohol,

976
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: and alcohol misses with a lot of your physiology. The

977
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: rim sleep being affected by alcohol is It's a well

978
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: documented and well known fact. So I started getting interested

979
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: and interested in how do I get higher quality deep

980
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: and you know, not drinking alcohol turned out to be

981
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: a really effective way to do that. So I really

982
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: stopped that, and then I stopped drinking coffee, and I

983
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: didn't have the urge to drink alcohol to you know,

984
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: modulate the feelings of being amp that I had from

985
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: drinking and coffee and thinking about thinking about sugar. What

986
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: I noticed is that I actually slept better as well

987
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: when I didn't eat a sugary dessert. And I had

988
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: been moving my meal times a little bit earlier in

989
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: attempt to kind of you know, as you say, get

990
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: get the digestion underway and the stress that puts on

991
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: your body done before you get in bed, so your

992
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: body can really work on being you know, recovery when

993
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: you're asleep. So this this idea that I should start

994
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: looking at sugar, you know, came Well, if you try

995
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,760
Speaker 1: to see GM, you can see exactly what the impact

996
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: on your body is from the foods that you eat

997
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: in terms of sugar in your boot, as I called,

998
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. And so you take this device and

999
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: then it's like a little disc maybe about a couple

1000
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: of millimeters thick and a little bit around, and it

1001
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: kind of chunk it. You know, it sort of gets

1002
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: into your body and puts a little tiny filament. You know,

1003
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't really hurt. Honestly, I was a little anxious

1004
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,840
Speaker 1: at first, but it didn't really hurt, and you know,

1005
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: kind of blended into my life. And then I saw

1006
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: what the impact on everything that I put in my

1007
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: body was on my blood shirt. And if anybody's done this,

1008
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: they know what I'm talking about. But the first thing

1009
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: that generally happens is you go, oh, that healthy food

1010
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: that I thought was so healthy is really driving my

1011
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: blood sugar. I you know, I used to eat these

1012
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: big mutants and I thought they were so good because

1013
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: they're packaged, you know, so wonderfully healthfully. They looked they

1014
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: looked like they were just going to be great, and

1015
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: they were literally sugar bombs. And by the.

1016
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: Way, everything everything in our life.

1017
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: Well, you know, there's a lot of a lot of

1018
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: people who think that, you know, the nature of the

1019
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: agricultural industrial complex is to add sugar and transfaster to everything,

1020
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: because that's what humans will, you know, almost addictively consume

1021
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: and then go rush immediately to the store to buy

1022
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 1: some more that there's a really strong kind of case

1023
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: for that to be made. Anyway, what I found was

1024
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: I was able to very quickly identify for or five

1025
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: behaviors that were good. You know, taking a little walk

1026
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: after eating at dinner made a big difference. Even if

1027
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: I had bread or pasta or something like that, that

1028
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: would be a blood sugar spike. Learning to you know,

1029
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: eat certain foods in combination. So if you eat if

1030
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: you eat eggs and orange juice, the impact of the

1031
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: orange juice is somewhat blunted by the eggs. You know,

1032
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: you always want to eat fiber. The more fiber you

1033
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: you consume, the more rapidly sugar can be drawn up

1034
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: from the bloodstream. So all all these behaviors were relatively

1035
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: quick learnings and relatively easy to follow along. You know,

1036
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: I did miss I did miss those big newtons. But

1037
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: but you know, it's relatively straightforward. You're like, oh, yeah,

1038
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: that's something I should have wanted.

1039
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, keeping your eye on the prize, having that why

1040
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 3: again to why you were putting them down in the

1041
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 3: first place.

1042
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: I love it.

1043
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: An or ring, He's got a CGM. Is there anything

1044
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 3: else that you're tracking?

1045
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: Oh? God, so many things. You know. I'm know Brian Johnson,

1046
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: but let's just say I think he's been a really

1047
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: interesting case study on all the things that you possibly

1048
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: could track. And I think, you know, I don't think

1049
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: it's necessary that everybody goes to the lengths that Brian

1050
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: Johnson is going to. I think he's certainly pushing the

1051
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: limits and maybe you know, showing some inspiration there. But

1052
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: I think, you know, you can get by by just

1053
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: thinking about are you moving enough, are you getting enough sleep?

1054
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: Are you eating well? And are you making sure that

1055
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're managing stress and trying to stay

1056
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: resilient and building social connections around you that are going

1057
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: to you know, could be conducive to your wellness.

1058
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, for those that aren't in the loop. On Brian Johnson,

1059
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 3: he basically started an endeavor that he aimed to measure

1060
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: I believe it was seventy plus organs of his body

1061
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 3: and then maximally reverse the quantified biological age of each

1062
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 3: So this was no small feed to say the least.

1063
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1064
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely insane.

1065
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely insane, and a lot of work too. And I

1066
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: think I'm glad that somebody is doing it. I think

1067
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: there's probably some really interesting science that that may may

1068
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: come out of that. Certainly, for him, it seems to

1069
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: have have worked. Wonders. I don't know if you put

1070
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: a picture of him recently, but.

1071
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 4: He looks like a teenager, so you know, I do

1072
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 4: think longevity is something that you know, is really important

1073
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 4: to people, obviously, but health span is even more important,

1074
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 4: and I think increasingly we're going to see measures of

1075
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 4: your health span be made accessible.

1076
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: So back to your question, but like, what are the

1077
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: things that am I measuring? So you know, I recently

1078
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Speaker 1: went through all the DNA testing and blood testing that's

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Speaker 1: sort of available to people literally over the counter. You

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00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: can kind of go to these websites and order, you know,

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Speaker 1: a kit and have it sent to your home, and

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Speaker 1: then you do a tiny little blood sample and put

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Speaker 1: it on a card and you nail it away, and

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Speaker 1: you know, two weeks later, they're telling you that your

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Speaker 1: vitamin D is low and and you're a one CEE,

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Speaker 1: which is a measure of likecogenated blood or blood cells

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Speaker 1: in your body. So basically blood sugar can tell you

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Speaker 1: what that percentage is, and that's amazing because you know,

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Speaker 1: think about that. You know, you had to get a

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Speaker 1: doctor to give you a you know, a reason to

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Speaker 1: go do a blood test. You can just do it yourself.

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Speaker 1: The DNA, you know, talks to you about methylation of

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Speaker 1: your DNA and like how how is your epigenome changing?

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Speaker 1: And there's all sorts of things that people can test now,

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Speaker 1: from fool samples to mucus to bloods DNA, and frankly,

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Speaker 1: I think early adopters are the people who are using

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Speaker 1: it out understand themselves. But I think it seems sort

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Speaker 1: of obvious that this will be a mainstream thing for

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Speaker 1: people over time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think we're only going to keep learning more ways

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Speaker 3: to learn more things about ourselves, and then that information

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Speaker 3: is going to become more accessible than it's ever been previously.

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Speaker 3: So that teas us up. As we wind down here,

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Speaker 3: what do you think the future is for wearables?

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Speaker 1: Tom Wow? The future of wearables, Well, I think it's bright.

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Speaker 1: I think, as I said, I see, I see a

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Speaker 1: future where everyone makes health the daily practice, and they

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Speaker 1: would support that, you know, with with insights and advice.

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Speaker 1: You know, think of of the doctor in your pocket

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Speaker 1: who's looking out for you maybe, you know giving a

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Speaker 1: little nudge here and there, letting you know how you're doing.

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Speaker 1: But I think what, you know, what we'll see for

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Speaker 1: the future is that I can imagine, you know, a

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Speaker 1: world where everybody has some kind of wearable and some

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Speaker 1: kind of app that they're using to you know, to

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Speaker 1: keep abreast of that, and that we start to see

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Speaker 1: maybe combinations of sensors or combinations of data. So you know,

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Speaker 1: we're already we're talking about a c GM and an

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Speaker 1: or a ring giving you a perspective on metabolic and

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Speaker 1: heart health. You know, maybe maybe it'll include things like

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Speaker 1: you know, implannable sensors or skin sensors that are looking

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Speaker 1: at some of the you know, secretions that your body

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Speaker 1: provides and looking at an ongoing basis. I think there's

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Speaker 1: been some very interesting work that's been done in flexible

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Speaker 1: warrant sensors include thing differences we take our clothing off,

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Speaker 1: so you know, I do think that the ring has

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Speaker 1: a real advantage clothing off, as you have to be

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Speaker 1: pretty good at bed or want to pretty good a bed.

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Speaker 1: I think implantables are going to be pretty interesting, you know, ingestibles,

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Speaker 1: particularly for probably very specific meats states. So already today

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Speaker 1: if you get a new joint, it comes a little

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Speaker 1: sensor in the joint and that's and it sort of

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Speaker 1: monitors for things like inflammation or the function of the

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Speaker 1: joint and you know, infection, and you know all those things.

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Speaker 1: You know, they seem pretty far fresh, but they're actually

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Speaker 1: here today. You know, it's wild.

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Speaker 3: I think that a lot of people are going to

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Speaker 3: be walking around chipped, like in ten years from now,

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Speaker 3: and that is just going to become commonplace.

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Speaker 2: And that is frightening.

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Speaker 3: Like even the small things like going I mean not

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Speaker 3: a wearable but being able to go to Whole foods

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Speaker 3: now and they want you to scan your palm to pay.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm a hold off on that just for now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you mean. And yet, you know,

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Speaker 1: as dystopian as being chipped sounds, you know, it seems

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Speaker 1: somewhat inevitable that we will ultimately have interfaces with machines

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Speaker 1: that are there for our benefit, that are going to

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Speaker 1: help us. And you know, I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of value in your phone acting as something that knows

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Speaker 1: who you are. I think your ring could know who

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00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: you are and maybe know in a better way because

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Speaker 1: it's something that you're wearing directly on your body. It's

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Speaker 1: not just something that you point at your face, and

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Speaker 1: you can think about all the use cases there. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe your ring is what you use to unlock your car,

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Speaker 1: or to unlock your computer or your phone or your home,

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Speaker 1: or to alert your work that you're there, or to

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Speaker 1: you know, provide access to systems that are highly sensitive.

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Speaker 1: I think there's all sorts of really interesting applications for

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Speaker 1: a persistently warn computer. I mean, even in our phones.

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Speaker 1: As much as as we carry our phones with us,

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Speaker 1: we don't have them on us all the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to an extent, I mean you're described being

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Speaker 3: a lot of the functionality of like the Apple Watch

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Speaker 3: I wear on my left wrist, right, Like so many

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Speaker 3: of those things. So many things are paid for or

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Speaker 3: it's my entry into something, or it's my you know,

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Speaker 3: so many things just via this wearable. So the question

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Speaker 3: is is then, like when does that technology start to

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Speaker 3: transfer into into different areas and perhaps even the ring right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, And you know, I think as long as

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Speaker 1: you're in control of it, and you're one of our

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Speaker 1: big beliefs is that you're in control of your own data.

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Speaker 1: We do not you know, we do not market or

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Speaker 1: share or reveal your data. And you know women's health

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Speaker 1: has been I think justly sensitive to the importance of

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Speaker 1: keeping that data encrypted and secure. Absolutely, we want to

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Speaker 1: we want to preserve that and to make sure that

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Speaker 1: like you are the sovereign of your data, and you're

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Speaker 1: the sovereign of your identity and and you know there

1183
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: are plenty of bad people who would love to take

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Speaker 1: your identity.

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Speaker 3: Not today, everyone, not today. Well, as we wind down here,

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Speaker 3: my final question for you Tom right now you talk

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Speaker 3: to us about your hurdle moment before joining the team

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Speaker 3: at AURA, going through a time where you were really

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Speaker 3: struggling with stress, anxiety, not enough sleep. Knowing what you

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Speaker 3: know now, what advice would you offer to yourself that you.

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Speaker 1: Know, I would say, keep focused on trying to find

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Speaker 1: balance those first few months. Actually, I really connected with

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Speaker 1: our Finnish colleagues companies is half in Finland, who have

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Speaker 1: a really interesting I think you on finding balance, And

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Speaker 1: I think maybe my American self is about like trying

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Speaker 1: to get there and go as far and as fast

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Speaker 1: and as quickly as possible. And I think I would

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Speaker 1: have said to my future self for my past self,

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Speaker 1: you know, to learn that balance sooner, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's been It's been a really bad have a lesson

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Speaker 1: for me, not just at work at AURA, but in

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Speaker 1: my life, and it's it's been a really great lesson.

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Speaker 1: I think we're honestly Aura the product probably help me

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Speaker 1: find that too.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Well, So grateful for your time today, Tom. For those

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01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 3: that either want to follow along with you or learn

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01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 3: more about Ura, give us the details. How can they

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Speaker 3: do that?

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Speaker 1: Well? Ora Ring dot com and it's Oh you are

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Speaker 1: a r I n G dot com is a great

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01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: resource for you to learn about it. We have a

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Speaker 1: blog there which is filled with inspiring stories of customers

1214
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: who have used the product to learn that they were pregnant,

1215
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: or to detect that they were sick with COVID, or

1216
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: to to optimize their health or to learn that they

1217
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Speaker 1: were getting sick, to manage manage their lives and a

1218
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Speaker 1: bunch of scientific work. Is there information about the product

1219
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: and the company or a ring dot com if you.

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Speaker 3: Want to learn amazing, I'm over on social at emil

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Speaker 3: Body and at Hurdle Podcast Another Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time

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Speaker 1: You