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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Molly Fry and I'm Tracy V. Wilson, and we're

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Speaker 1: creeping up into Halloween territory, my favorite time of year,

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Speaker 1: So it's time for a little brush with the mysterious,

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Speaker 1: the unknown, and believed by some to be paranormal. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this story isn't exactly spooky, depending on your definition of

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Speaker 1: that word, but it is quite unsettling in many ways. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you were to just do a quick Google search

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Speaker 1: on the diet lov past incidents, you will instantly turn

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Speaker 1: up dozens and dozens heading into the hundreds of sites

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Speaker 1: that focus on paranormal investigation, conspiracy theories, and even cryptozoology

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Speaker 1: in some cases. This is really a tragic piece of

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Speaker 1: Russian history. It happened during Soviet era Russia in Siberia,

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Speaker 1: and it's never really been fully explained, and as a consequence,

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Speaker 1: there is an entire culture of theorization that has kind

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Speaker 1: of grown up around it. So today we're going to

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Speaker 1: expedition and then some of the theories about it as well.

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Speaker 1: As some of the less fantastical possibilities in terms of

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Speaker 1: explanation of what happened that day. Uh And we need

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Speaker 1: to give a little morning on this one. Some of

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Speaker 1: this information could be a little upsetting if you are

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Speaker 1: squeamish to corpse talk. Uh there are some injury related

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Speaker 1: details that are germained to the story that I know.

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Speaker 1: When I was relaying them to my husband, Brian kind

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Speaker 1: of gave him what we call the hufs where you

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Speaker 1: kind of go. Uh So, if you are a little

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Speaker 1: bit squeamish about details of how dead bodies have been

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Speaker 1: that you might want to proceed with caution here, or

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Speaker 1: if you have kids that might be affected by that,

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Speaker 1: this might be a good one to listen to before

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Speaker 1: you share with them. Uh So, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about the DApp Love past incident today. Yeah. And if

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Speaker 1: you are fans of our colleagues podcasts stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know, you may have gotten a very

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Speaker 1: brief glimpse at this already. Yeah. There's like, it's a

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Speaker 1: should mention at the outset Tracy. Neither Tracy nor and

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Speaker 1: heard other, you know, historical documentaries using their pronunciation, and

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Speaker 1: wrong in pronunciation, it is not out of a desire

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Speaker 1: to be disrespectful. In January of nineteen fifty nine, a

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Speaker 1: group of young Russian hikers and ski enthusiasts was preparing

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Speaker 1: group consisted of Yuri Yuden, Ludmilla Dubnina, Zenaida Komo Garova,

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Speaker 1: uh and that name, in the language of the Manci

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Speaker 1: they kind of dove tail on one another and you

431
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: end up with a chain of them. Yeah. And when

432
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Speaker 1: you look at atmospheric photos of these, they look really beautiful.

433
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Speaker 1: However they are incredibly dangerous. Yeah, there are stories of

434
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Speaker 1: them completely leveling buildings. Uh. And now in the modern

435
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: era that they have been studied and understood a little

436
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Speaker 1: bit better. Modern architecture, particularly in cities and places where

437
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Speaker 1: they are multiple structures close together, they really try to

438
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Speaker 1: factor in not creating an environment that will welcome these

439
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Speaker 1: sorts of phenomenon to happen or cause them. Uh So

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Speaker 1: Donnie I Car who we talked about earlier, he was

441
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Speaker 1: a filmmaker. He also wrote a book about the diet

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Speaker 1: loaf past incident. Uh as part of his kind of

443
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: press junket. As he talked about what was in his book,

444
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Speaker 1: he mentioned these Carmen vortex streets and he believes that

445
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Speaker 1: this movement of winds through the past could have created

446
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Speaker 1: such a vortex street. And moreover, he asserts that this

447
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: wind event could have resulted in an infrasound phenomenon. And

448
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: this is pertinent to the mystery because infrasound, which is

449
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: too low of a frequency to be consciously heard or perceived,

450
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 1: but does affect your ear drum and the pressure around you.

451
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: It's said to cause people to experience disorientation, they can

452
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Speaker 1: have shortness of breath, they can have irrational fear. So

453
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: it kind of messes with your head a little bit. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And if this were the case, and this had in

455
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Speaker 1: fact happened to the diet lov party, it offers another

456
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Speaker 1: possible explanation for why they ran out of their tent

457
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: into the you know, certainly fatal cold Ikura asserts that

458
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: the surroundings of the past formed the perfect environment for

459
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 1: the creation of a Carmen vortex street. The dome of

460
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: the so called dead Mountain is really symmetrical. It's dome

461
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: shaped as that suggests, So it's the perfect blunt object

462
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Speaker 1: to form eddies of splitting wind as the gusts come

463
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Speaker 1: up against it. Yeah. I don't know if they've ever

464
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Speaker 1: been able to. He as part of his book research

465
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: and his projects, actually tried to recreate their hike. And

466
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Speaker 1: I don't know that they came came into I haven't

467
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Speaker 1: read the whole book. I don't know if they came

468
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 1: into a situation where they saw a duplication of that

469
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: happening or not. But food for thought. UH. In more

470
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: recent happenings, UH. In two thousand eight, there was a

471
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Speaker 1: meeting which was organized by Eural State Technical University or Polytechnic,

472
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: which is the university that the students had attended, and

473
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Speaker 1: the diet Law Foundation, and they gathered independent researchers and

474
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Speaker 1: former rescuers UH to gather and discuss all of the

475
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: possible evidence. Because remember the Diatlaw Foundation was set up

476
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: to try to figure out exactly what happened, and this

477
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: group determined that when taking all of the evidence into account,

478
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: all signs really pointed to a military test accidentally causing

479
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: the deaths. However, the group also issued a statement saying that, uh,

480
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Speaker 1: the defenseman is three and other government agencies would have

481
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: to provide them with some additional documentation before they could

482
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: say they had definitive proof. So they kind of were

483
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: making a super theory, but they don't really have the

484
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: evidence to back it up. There are a whole lot

485
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: of films, both documentary and docum fiction, that have been

486
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: inspired by the Deatlove Past incident. In twelve, director Renny

487
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: Harland made a movie that was loosely premised on the

488
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: recreation of the journey, but it veered very wildly into

489
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: fictional territory. Oh yes, super not I think I was.

490
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: I have not seen it. It's called Devil's Pass and

491
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. But Christian from brain Stuff and

492
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: I were talking about it. He's seen it, and he

493
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: was he was saying like, yeah, they never found the bodies,

494
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that is not accurate. Uh. So, clearly

495
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: that film has a lot of like liberties taken with

496
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: the story in order to further the plot along. Uh,

497
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: there is actually I'm really looking forward to this. There

498
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: is a PC MAC video game that's coming out that

499
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: is based on the events of the Diet Loaf past incident.

500
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: It's entitled Lot and if you're interested, it's coming out

501
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: of a Polish games company and that is going to

502
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: be out in early and I'm really curious to see

503
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: what they do with it. You're a Uton, the young

504
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: man who left the group before the hike because of

505
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: his illness, lived to be seventy five and he died

506
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: in April. He's often quoted as saying, if I had

507
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: a chance to ask God just one question, it would

508
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: be what really happened to my friends that night? And

509
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that's really like,

510
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: there's such a focus on the whole unsolved mystery conspiracy

511
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: angle of all this um because I I've I've looked

512
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: around those websites. We've had a lot of people that

513
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: have requested this episode, and I've sort of been like,

514
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: I personally don't feel like researching that, so I'm really

515
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: glad the Holly did. But you know, I have poked

516
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: around at some websites and people have asked and like

517
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: they pretty universally forget about the act that these were

518
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: a group of college students who died and that's tragic,

519
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: Like that's pretty much not talked about. Yeah, it really

520
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: it really becomes about the my theory versus your theory

521
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: mentality a lot of times, uh, which I understand the

522
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: appeal of that, and it's very fun and it is

523
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: fun to theorize on sort of what might have happened,

524
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: kind of play armchair sleuth. But as you said, you know,

525
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: these are nine except for the one man that was

526
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: in his thirties, they were all in their early twenties.

527
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: They were really young. Then those were people's friends and

528
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: family members. Yeah, and they were by all accounts, very bright.

529
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: Three of them were engineers, Uh that I think we're

530
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: doing graduate work. And then the others were younger students.

531
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: I think they were undergrads. But so they all had

532
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: really bright futures ahead of them. They were all very smart.

533
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: As we said, they were accomplished um hikers like they

534
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: really you know, they were just setting out in their

535
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: lives and it and there is a small memorial monument

536
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: to them with their photos on it. Uh. But I

537
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 1: think you're you make a great point. Well, there was

538
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: there was a student who was supposed to be part

539
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: of my freshman class in college who fell from a

540
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: waterfall and died, uh right before, like on a school

541
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: sponsoring trip immediately before the school year, and it really

542
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: rocked the campus. Like people who had never even met

543
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: her were just profoundly affected by it. So I can't

544
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: imagine having a group this side who were all students,

545
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: who all died unexpectedly on a trip like this. I

546
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: can't imagine what it must have been like for their

547
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: classmates and colleagues and family members afterward. Yeah, and the

548
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: the gentleman we mentioned earlier, Yuri Kotsevich, who had been

549
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: twelve when this all happened. When he spoke of the incident,

550
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: you know as an adult, his recollections are really very um.

551
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: Their impressions of sort of the emotional state of their

552
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: community and how everyone was really devastated. I mean, it

553
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: was a huge loss, uh So something to think about.

554
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: And as enthusiasts are still looking for the real answer

555
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: to what happened in the outlaw Pass, we may never

556
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: know it. But part of the problem is that the

557
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: clock is kind of running out for some people Um,

558
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: the people that were actually involved in the investigation or

559
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: who knew the hikers. The hikers are all aging so

560
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: and many have already died. So in terms of eyewitness accounts,

561
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: even though they're unreliable in terms of talking to people

562
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: that were actually part of what happened there, there's not

563
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: really going to be anybody to ask any additional questions

564
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: of soon, although there are still people, of course that

565
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: hold out hope that there is a fuller record that

566
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: the Russian government has that they will someday release. I

567
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: personally kind of hold more to the They don't say

568
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: much because they don't know anything else, and probably some

569
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: records got lost, but that's just my sort of pragmatic

570
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: I presume they're kind of like shrug, which could be

571
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: perceived is a cover up, if that's what you want

572
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: to see, but I really think it's more of a

573
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh. So that is the yeah off

574
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: Path incident, which is fascinating. I'm sure we will get

575
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: lots of theories in our email. I actually kind of

576
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: hope so that would be some fun October reading exactly.

577
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: That will be great, uh listener mail going forward, But

578
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: for today's listener Mail, this is the roundup of several

579
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: listener mails, and we're gonna do this for a couple

580
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Speaker 1: of episodes. We had a recent episode where someone asked

581
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: us how we got to where we are? Uh and

582
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: I talked about how we get a lot of questions

583
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: from people saying how do I get a job as

584
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: a history major, and Holly and I are both like,

585
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, we're so helpful. Uh So, after hearing that,

586
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: my friend Hayden from college, the person who UM who

587
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: recommended the Angel of Bond's episode wrote, wrote us an

588
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: email and he told us about how he got to

589
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: where he is, which includes having a b A. And

590
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: m A in history as well as a library science degree.

591
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: Um And he says, in addition to talking specifically about

592
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: getting the library job and what led him to it,

593
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: he says, now I happened to move into the public

594
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: services side of libraries, and while I do help the

595
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 1: occasional scholar with history research, I don't have a lot

596
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: of official use for my history degree. However, I do

597
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: work in a library, so I have the best resource

598
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: in the world to satisfy my own personal interests in history.

599
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: It's what I read about almost exclusively and I love

600
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 1: to take history based vacations. I'm basically using my knowledge

601
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: of history to add to my profession, but not necessarily

602
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: as my profession. After getting this email from Hayden, I

603
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: sort of had this Eureka moment of Hey, I bet

604
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: we have a lot of history people in the audience

605
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: who would totally be willing to tell us some things

606
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: about their careers. So we asked people to do that,

607
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: and we have picked out some of them that we're

608
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: going to read for a couple of episodes. UM. As

609
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 1: of right this minute, we have several email ails and

610
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty one comments on the Facebook post

611
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: where we asked about it, along with the step that's

612
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: on Twitter and Tumblr. UM. So just a few things, um.

613
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: Rebecca says. The areas that you study and skills you

614
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: develop undertaking a college history degree not to be confused

615
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: with high school history's love of route memorization, our skills

616
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: that can be very much utilized in other fields. Searching, sorting,

617
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: and collecting data, subsequent analysis of the data, and application

618
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: of the findings to a specific question. A timely topic

619
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: would be is this the first time a drought has

620
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: done a B or C I've often worked with scientists

621
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: who have been unable to translate their work for the

622
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: general public. You'll sometimes hear someone talking about the amount

623
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: of a chemical one million parts for per kilogram per

624
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: microgram or and then she puts that out numerically, and

625
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: your general position is, Oh, what I help by explaining

626
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 1: that's one drop in Olympic sized swimming pool. Other areas

627
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: where my skills have come into play is research into

628
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: historical actions that contaminated sites. Who owned the property um

629
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: at the time that the contaminating incident occurred. What does

630
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: the law say about the owner versus who may have

631
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: been an operator slash p leaseholder. It can all get

632
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: very legalistic, but a person with a history degree who

633
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: did research and spent time in the stacks has an

634
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: edge in this type of work. Tracy says, not me, Tracy,

635
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: a different Tracy spelled with an E. A background in

636
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: history is important for understanding the context in which artworks

637
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: and objects were made. But in addition, learning history gives

638
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: you the tools to read documents critically, to question provided narratives,

639
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: and to draw connections between events, people, and objects. I

640
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: had always liked history as a subject, but came to

641
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: love it when I learned how to interpret history through objects.

642
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: Tracy is working in the field of art obviously. Jennifer says,

643
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: I have a Masters in history and ended up working

644
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Speaker 1: in publishing, first legal publishing and now medical publishing. Being

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