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Speaker 1: Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Crystal, Lots of big news breaking

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Speaker 1: this morning. We've got some big updates for you out

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Speaker 1: which is flushgate. Flushgate the allegation that Trump was flushing

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Speaker 1: break all of that down for you. Also, the very

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Speaker 1: near term future. We also have a journalist an Afghan

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Speaker 1: on the Afghan people. But we wanted to start with

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Speaker 1: the very latest out of Ukraine. Yeah, that's right. Ukraine

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Speaker 1: is obviously top of mind, the Ukraine crisis. There were

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Speaker 1: any time. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan emphasizing that could

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Speaker 1: We are in the window when an invasion could begin

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Speaker 1: So put that in perspective, that is a massive escalation

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Speaker 1: skeptical of claims about intelligence. Well, let me make three

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Speaker 1: We are putting forward this intelligence to stop a war,

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Speaker 1: we're doing it to stop. Well, the people who are

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Speaker 1: listen to exactly what the Ukrainian says. President Zelenski, the

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Speaker 1: This is the main thing. I mean. We are escalating

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Speaker 1: hypocrisy all the way around here in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: you've got liberal media suddenly like, hey, where's the army.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's call in the military now. The way that

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Speaker 1: they framed it was like some Canadians are asking, where's

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Speaker 1: the military, so you have that on that side. On

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Speaker 1: the other side, of course, Fox News, when it was

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00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 1: the George Floyd protesters, they were all ready to send

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Speaker 1: in the military. Now they're all yeah, now they're freedom

439
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: fighters and protests is noble. And these are the same

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Speaker 1: people who push for like anti protest laws and a

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00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 1: whole bunch of states. But the next thing that happens,

442
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: this is incredible again in terms of liberals being pretty hypocritical.

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Speaker 1: Here this is a woman who's a security analyst for CNN. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Juliet kam Kaiam, I don't know. The convoy protest, applauded

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Speaker 1: by right wing media as a freedom protest, is an

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Speaker 1: economic and security issue. Now, the ambassadbridge link constitute twenty

447
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Speaker 1: eight percent of annual trade movement. Slash the tires, empty

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Speaker 1: gas tanks, arrest the drivers and move the trucks. Now

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Speaker 1: the one problem, So, first of all, that's obviously extraordin aggressive.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is that a lot of the drivers

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Speaker 1: themselves were removing their tires, yes, and bleeding their brake

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Speaker 1: lines so that you can't move the truck. So it

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Speaker 1: seems to me like slashing the tires and emptying the

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Speaker 1: gas tanks First of all, you're talking about vandalism and theft,

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Speaker 1: But second of all, that's like sort of helping their

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Speaker 1: cause and making the truck lust move them. Also, do

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Speaker 1: you know what it means to slash an eighteen wheeler tire?

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Speaker 1: You're gonna die? Okay, this is something that everybody knows

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Speaker 1: about truck tires. But look, the major thing is that

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Speaker 1: the Canadian government, definitely at the behest of the US government,

461
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: is very much going hardcore against these truckers. You know,

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Speaker 1: we covered the GoFundMe crisis in which go fundme raised

463
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Speaker 1: they almost raised ten million dollars for the truckers. GoFundMe

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Speaker 1: basically says that the behest of the Canadian police know,

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Speaker 1: we're gon we're going to be canceling this, and actually

466
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Speaker 1: in the beginning not even saying that they would return

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Speaker 1: the money as they have in the past, saying oh, well,

468
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Speaker 1: we're going to give it to our chosen charities, basically

469
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Speaker 1: confiscating people's money. After protests, they eventually ended up returning it. Well,

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Speaker 1: there was another website called Give Send Go that had

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Speaker 1: been raising money for these truckers. Let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen and lo and

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Speaker 1: behold by Canadian law. This is from Global News. Ontario

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Speaker 1: has frozen those fronts funds from Givesend goes Trucker Convoy

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Speaker 1: fundraiser once again. Millions and millions of dollars donated through

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Speaker 1: the online fundraising platform. And actually some breaking news this morning,

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Speaker 1: Crystal that I just sent over to you, which is

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Speaker 1: that unfortunately givesend go their servers were hacked and it

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Speaker 1: seems that people are downloading the donor list of the

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Speaker 1: actual of the actual donors to the cause itself. There's

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Speaker 1: a man named Dean Blundell who's actually been bragging about

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Speaker 1: this over on Twitter and says a lot of these

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Speaker 1: people are basically saying I have the entire list, just

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Speaker 1: checking with legal nerds rule essentially implying he's going to

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Speaker 1: be doxing some of the people who are donor lists

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Speaker 1: or are making it available by public. This is a

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Speaker 1: total weaponization of online fundraising. I mean I said this

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Speaker 1: in the past. You know, Black Lives Matter, as we

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Speaker 1: see right now, currently in financial disarray over the millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars that we're saved, with a lot of questions.

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Speaker 1: I still support the ability of gifts of gifts and

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Speaker 1: go and of gofund me any of these places in

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Speaker 1: order to raise money for a cause you believe in.

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Speaker 1: That is between the citizen and the cause itself. You

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Speaker 1: get dupe that's on you. And that's the same thing

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Speaker 1: whenever it comes to this. I mean, you are seeing

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Speaker 1: a full scale operation by the Canadian government once again,

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Speaker 1: very much at the encouragement of the United States government,

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Speaker 1: in order to quash this. I think it's also funny

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Speaker 1: too that the Canadians no longer say this is like

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00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: some Russian sponsored trucker convoy. They're blaming us. They're like, basically,

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Speaker 1: because our media is free and we actually have a

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Speaker 1: First Amendment and freedom of speech, that we have a

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Speaker 1: large amount of support here, probably frankly more domestic support

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Speaker 1: here than they actually do in Canada for the trucker convoy.

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Speaker 1: That being said, a lot of our money is flowing

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Speaker 1: into the fundraising dollars for these Canadian truckers, and the

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Speaker 1: Trudeau is like, this is American money, an American cause,

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Speaker 1: our politics, all of that. I don't have a lot

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Speaker 1: of sympathy for that. I think it's kind of funny

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Speaker 1: funny because yeah, I listened to that podcast where they

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Speaker 1: brought on this woman who's like a terrorism financing Oh yeah,

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00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: you're the one who found this. This is crazy to

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Speaker 1: talk about this, And it was really funny to listen

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Speaker 1: to because yeah, it was the same language that they

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Speaker 1: use during Russiagate of like you know, malign foreign interference

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00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: and that sort of like that sort of language. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're talking about us, which like I get it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't priget it. Like you know, we're like the

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00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: big brother who's sort of throwing our weight around and

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00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: funneling these millions into into this protest. But that's ultimately

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Speaker 1: the way the world works, and there's nothing illegal or

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00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 1: like particularly you know, overtly nefarious about that. They were

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Speaker 1: thinking about having a government hearing into the source of

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00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: the financing. There's all kinds of really unsupported allegations that

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Speaker 1: are being floated about where the money is coming from

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00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: and all of all of these pieces that again, I

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Speaker 1: mean listen, if it is coming from some like nefarious

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Speaker 1: place or you know, like dirty money somehow, then you

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Speaker 1: have to show us the allegations of that. You can't

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Speaker 1: just sort of make that up out of thin air.

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Speaker 1: You know. My primary feeling about all of this is

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00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: jealousy that we don't have on the left protest, that

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Speaker 1: this is a very effective and smart protest spreading across

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Speaker 1: the country, across the world. Sorry, there's one in Jerusalem,

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00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. And actually the New Zealand I was

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Speaker 1: just reading this morning the New Zealand or the president

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Speaker 1: or Prime minister there anyway, whoever is in charge of

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Speaker 1: New Zealand was also making the allegations that their protests

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Speaker 1: that they're having on their soil now are foreign inspired

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Speaker 1: and sort of like astrotur from the US and from Canada,

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Speaker 1: saying that there are Trump flags at the protests, that

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00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: there are Canadian flags at the protest. But clearly, I

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00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: mean clearly they have inspired people to towards these sorts

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Speaker 1: of tactics around the world. Clearly there is some level

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Speaker 1: in every country of organic backlash to what has now

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Speaker 1: been years of pandemic restrict officially two years we did

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Speaker 1: our first coronavirus segment on rising about two years ago today. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you know, I, like I said, it's not particularly

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Speaker 1: my cause I'm extremely envious of the tactics in the organization.

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Speaker 1: There was a New York Times article about like how

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Speaker 1: effectively organized. This was that they had people who were

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Speaker 1: providing supplies, and you had former law enforcement and former

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Speaker 1: military who were involved in the leadership, who understood logistics

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00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: and understood the planning. And so you know, the tactic

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Speaker 1: of shutting down supply chains at a time when there's

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00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: already a lot of pressure, there is a really smart,

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00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: yes militant tactic. But that's what the most effective you know,

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Speaker 1: economic boycott. I this has a long and at times

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00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: proud history. You have to make people in power feel

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00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: some sort of pain because they don't care if you're

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Speaker 1: just like in your designated free speech zone saying whatever.

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00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 1: You have to make life uncomfortable for people in power,

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Speaker 1: and that's what they have effectively done here. So again, look,

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Speaker 1: it's not particularly my cause. I support their right to

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Speaker 1: peaceful protests, and I am only envious that the left

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00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: hasn't had this level of sort of like organization and

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Speaker 1: focus on disrupting supply chains and these types of tactics

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Speaker 1: that could ultimately have an effect. But we'll see how

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Speaker 1: long of an effect it has. Unfortunately, let's put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen, which is the Canadian police

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Speaker 1: have actually been clearing the bridge the Ambassador Bridge after

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Speaker 1: a week of disruption, the Ambassador Bridge being where hundreds

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Speaker 1: of millions of dollars aparts and other things were being

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Speaker 1: held up there. Gretchen Witmer and the President and others

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Speaker 1: had really been focusing on that. So look, we'll see.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my hope is is that this will lead

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Speaker 1: to at least some pressure within Canada domestically, at least

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Speaker 1: to try and lessen some of the most stringent stuff there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you can see Quebec and others,

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Speaker 1: like you can't even buy groceries if you're not vaccinated.

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Speaker 1: I think that's nuts. Like, I don't support that this

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Speaker 1: is the domestic West. We don't run that way. That

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Speaker 1: being said, look it's your country. You guys decide if

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Speaker 1: the majority of the population, so be it. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying we should liberate the Canadians, although I'm sure we'd

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Speaker 1: be greed. I'm just gonna I'm sure we'd be greeted

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Speaker 1: as liberators. Yeah, that's the way that always works out.

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Speaker 1: I think we should stay out of Canada. Oh they're

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00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: weird French place in Quebec in particular, but this is

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00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: something where it's a beautiful place. Poutine is weird and gross.

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Speaker 1: Though what I generally think is that what with all this,

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Speaker 1: it's not as you said originally, even about those truck

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Speaker 1: or vaccine mandates, it's become an international cause for restriction.

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Speaker 1: People are fed up and on that I'm get behind.

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Speaker 1: At one I'm not necessary to know even in the

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Speaker 1: back of course I'm against the mandates. But as you said,

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Speaker 1: there was some very troubling, like truly anti vaccentiment within

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Speaker 1: the convoy. But at this point the conflagration Israel, for example,

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Speaker 1: everybody in Israel has to be vaccinated anyway. You think

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Speaker 1: they're lining up around vaccine mandates. No, they're sick of

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00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: living under restrictions, just like many of us. In fact,

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Speaker 1: here in the United States, luckily we're more free than

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Speaker 1: most people. But New Zealand, I mean, and Australia and Israel,

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Speaker 1: they have been put through the ringer in a way

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Speaker 1: that is unparalleled outside of Asia, like Hong Kong essentially

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Speaker 1: in terms of what their restrictions look like. And I

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00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: don't think human beings should have to live that way

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Speaker 1: in a civilized society. So from that point, I think

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Speaker 1: I think it's a good cause. Here's the other piece, is,

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Speaker 1: and I think Tybe had a good piece about this

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Speaker 1: whole thing. He had a good write up that I

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Speaker 1: encourage you all to check out on his substack. You know,

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00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: the treatment both from the media and from Trudeau has

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00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: been to sort of dismiss the demands and the concerns

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Speaker 1: of this group as like beyond the pale. Yes, And

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I don't agree with that. Even

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Speaker 1: if you totally disagree with you know, their view on mandates,

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Speaker 1: their view on maths, policies or any of those things,

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Speaker 1: I think we should all agree that these are legitimate

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Speaker 1: places of public debate and discussion. And so the attempt

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Speaker 1: to just sort of like push, demonize them, push the

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Speaker 1: amount of the public square, say, you know, say that

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Speaker 1: this is basically you know, off the table or beyond

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Speaker 1: the pale in terms of even having a debate, I

626
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: really object to that. I Mean, the one place that

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Speaker 1: I think the narrative from the right is kind of

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00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: silly is making this out like this movement is representative

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Speaker 1: of all working class people, or this is some like

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Speaker 1: working classmen, Like that's not true. It's not true in

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Speaker 1: Canada in terms of you know, the actual views of

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Speaker 1: working class people and who's vaccine and who's not. It's

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Speaker 1: not even representative of all truckers. But the part that

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Speaker 1: I think we should be most concerned about here is

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Speaker 1: Number one, This instinct towards like pushing people out of

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Speaker 1: the public square rather than engagement, I think is very

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00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: damaging to democracy. I also think that the piece of

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Speaker 1: the fundraising platforms taking it upon themselves to pull the funds,

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00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: or being pressured by government to pull the funds, like

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Speaker 1: that's another direction that we should see as very troubling.

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Speaker 1: In the same life lens as you know, the type

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00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: of censorship that we've been tracking them pushing Spotify to do,

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Speaker 1: and pushing these other big tech platforms to say basically

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Speaker 1: like these viewser sanction and these ones aren't. You don't

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Speaker 1: want to hand these people more power than they already have.

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00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: They have so much power, and so much of liberal

647
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: energy these days is dedicated towards like begging people who

648
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: already have a lot of power to claim even more

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Speaker 1: power about who has a legitimate voice, who has legitimate grievance,

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00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: and who doesn't. Ultimately, so to me, those are the

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Speaker 1: pieces that are really important in terms of the impact

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00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: ultimately these protests because as you point out, after Biden

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Speaker 1: made the column was like, listen, capitalism is priority number one,

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Speaker 1: so you better get this, you better get this figured out.

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Speaker 1: The bridges are reopened, there are continuing protests in Ottawa

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Speaker 1: that are significant, although I guess there has been some

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Speaker 1: engagement I was reading this morning with the folks that

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Speaker 1: are there, trying to limit where the truckers are to

659
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: know certain areas so they're not as disruptive and residential neighborhood.

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00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: So there's been a little bit of give and take

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Speaker 1: and dialogue there. But this has not been good for Trudeau.

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Speaker 1: Trudeau already has low approval ratings. His government is not

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Speaker 1: particularly popular. And so while I don't know that they're

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Speaker 1: going to get any of their specific demands immediately met

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Speaker 1: in the short term, because I don't think that Trudeau

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Speaker 1: or the you know, the rest of the government wants

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Speaker 1: to be seen as sort of like capitulating in the

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Speaker 1: face of this, They're going to want to avoid this

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Speaker 1: kind of conflagration in the future. So I think it

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Speaker 1: acts as a more of a check on potential future actions,

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Speaker 1: and in that way is probably very effective, not just

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Speaker 1: in Canada but other places around the world that are

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Speaker 1: going I don't want this to happen here and to

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Speaker 1: have such a political blow up here as well. So

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Speaker 1: I think even if they don't win on their specific

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Speaker 1: you know, vaccine, cross border mandate issues, or you know,

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Speaker 1: local pandemic restrictions, I do think it serves as a

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00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: kind of check on future actions and restrictions that could

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Speaker 1: be contemplated. I think that as well said, and you're correct,

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00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: which is this has been a major embarrassment to Trudeau

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Speaker 1: across the world in his relations with the United States.

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Speaker 1: It's also given and shown us some of the cleavages

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Speaker 1: and Canadians in Western society broadly, and the larger inspiration

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00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: now in Jerusalem and New Zealand perhaps elsewhere is going

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Speaker 1: to serve as kind of a global conflagration possibly against

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Speaker 1: these things. I don't want to overstate it. I have

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Speaker 1: no idea how big those things will be. But as

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00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: you said, more what it is is it's a democratic

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Speaker 1: check in the future against people in power saying all right,

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Speaker 1: let's say there's another omicron. I don't think a lot

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Speaker 1: of these restrictions can come back simply because of what's

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Speaker 1: happened here. Yeah, there we go. All right, let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and move on, Crystal, and I had to do

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Speaker 1: quite a bit of investigation. I wish you guys should

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00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 1: have heard us trying to figure this out on during

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00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: this one out reading into the indictment and more. And

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Speaker 1: in terms of well, there's a lot of claims that

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Speaker 1: are being thrown around, so let's get to the very

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Speaker 1: very bottom of it. The Durham Investigation continue. Is that

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Speaker 1: being John Durham who was appointed by Attorney General Billbarr

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Speaker 1: to look into the originations of the Russiagate investigations. It's

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00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: been going on now for many years, you know, and

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00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: in terms of indictments and others, has disappointed some. But

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Speaker 1: what has been revealed most recently is quite interesting and

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Speaker 1: I don't want to overstate the case whatsoever. So let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: Daily Mail actually, of all places, did the best write

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Speaker 1: up in terms of what I can tell from the

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Speaker 1: actual details of this investigation. So Special Counsel John Durham

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Speaker 1: has said that the Clinton campaign paid a lawyer who

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Speaker 1: then paid a tech firm to hack and hack is

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Speaker 1: actually disputed here into the White House and Trump Tower

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Speaker 1: servers to find Russia links. So here is the actual

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Speaker 1: indictment or in terms of the complaint that was issued

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Speaker 1: against Michael Sussman. So Michael Sussman is a lawyer. He

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Speaker 1: was working for the Clinton campaign. Now, two months before

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Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen presidential election, Michael Sussman met with then

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Speaker 1: James Baker, who is the General Counsel of the FBI.

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Speaker 1: Sussman delivered to Baker a presentation in which he outlined

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Speaker 1: what he claimed was a definitive proof that the Trump

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Speaker 1: campaign and the Trump organization had links to Alpha Bank,

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Speaker 1: which was a Russian bank, and thus that Trump was

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Speaker 1: a Russian stooge. During the course of that conversation, Michael

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Speaker 1: Sussman said that he was not acting on behalf of

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Speaker 1: anybody's interests. Now that is what he's actually been criminally

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Speaker 1: or has a complaint against him, given that he was

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Speaker 1: lying to James Baker the FBI, because we now know

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Speaker 1: he was being paid by the Clinton campaign. Now here's

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Speaker 1: where it gets interesting. What also is said is that

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Speaker 1: Sussman was working on behalf of a tech executive. Now,

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Speaker 1: per this new filing, in this report from John Durham,

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Speaker 1: this tech executive had access to a DNS company which

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Speaker 1: itself had been acquired and yet somehow has some sort

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Speaker 1: of contracts and connections with the DNS firm which handles

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Speaker 1: both Trump Tower and the Executive Office of the President,

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Speaker 1: and that this tech executive, working with Michael Sussman, was

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Speaker 1: compiling non public DNS information, that's Internet traffic information of

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Speaker 1: both Trump Tower and the Executive Office of the President

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Speaker 1: while Trump was in office, in order to try and

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Speaker 1: compile and spin a narrative that there was a connection

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Speaker 1: between the Trump campaign eventually the president of the United States,

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Speaker 1: and the Russian government. So this lawyer essentially is the

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Speaker 1: cutout with the Clinton campaign. He lied to the FBI

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Speaker 1: he was working with the tech company which had a

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Speaker 1: contract in order to look at the DNS information of

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Speaker 1: both Trump Tower and the White House, and that this

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Speaker 1: tech company then was or somebody in this tech company

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Speaker 1: was using their position to compile and get this non

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Speaker 1: public data to then give to Michael Susman to try

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Speaker 1: and craft a narrative which then made it seem that

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Speaker 1: the Trump campaign was aligned with Russia. So there you go.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's competitive, it's not as easy as well,

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Speaker 1: the Clinton campaign was hacking. It's like kind of they

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Speaker 1: were paying somebody to do this and had a connection

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Speaker 1: with this guy who also had access to this information.

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Speaker 1: Not necessarily a hack itself, definitely an abuse of power

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Speaker 1: in terms of the tech executive. We don't know this

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Speaker 1: tech executive is necessarily They named one person in the indictment,

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Speaker 1: but we don't know if it was him or somebody

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Speaker 1: who was working for him. So that's the long and

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00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: short of the story. I know, it sounds incredibly complicated.

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Speaker 1: All of these Russia gated stories are like this, So

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Speaker 1: that is, you know, that is as best as I

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Speaker 1: can You guys might remember this was towards the end

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Speaker 1: of the Clinton campaign we started to see these stories

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Speaker 1: pop up in the media about remember tower pinging server, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the server pinging Alpha Bank, and the articles were always

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Speaker 1: very tantalizing because it did it seems, oh, this could

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Speaker 1: be like the nexus, like if they're having some secret communications,

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Speaker 1: this could be how it is all being done. And

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Speaker 1: so what this story really exposes is sort of the

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Speaker 1: genesis of where those particular stories were coming from. And

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Speaker 1: so we had already learned that this lawyer allegedly lied

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Speaker 1: to the authorities about the fact that he was in

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Speaker 1: fact working for the Clinton campaign and being paid for

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Speaker 1: the Clinton campaign by the Clinton campaign to kind of

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Speaker 1: get the intelligence community to take this seriously, okay, And

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00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: this was all happening before the campaign even ended. So

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00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: there's that piece we kind of already knew. The new

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00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: piece here goes into details about how exactly they were

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Speaker 1: able to gather this information about these pings coming from

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Speaker 1: Trump Tower and then ultimately coming from the Executive Office

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Speaker 1: of the President. And the language is very opaque and

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00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: not very specific, but what we can gather here is

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Speaker 1: that allegedly this tech company had access to both the

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Speaker 1: Trump Tower information and the Executive Office of the President

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Speaker 1: information through other contracts other things that they were doing

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Speaker 1: that this was non public information, So this wasn't something

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Speaker 1: that just like a smart person who's super tech savvy

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Speaker 1: could go out there on the web and gather They

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00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: had access to this confidential information and they mined this

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00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: information and other data for the purpose of this is

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Speaker 1: directly from the complaint, for the purpose of gathering derogatory

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Speaker 1: information about Donald Trump. Then the way it was presented

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Speaker 1: to the intelligence community was in this very sort of

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Speaker 1: skewed way that didn't include the context that actually, these

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Speaker 1: sorts of pings are pretty common and that the ones

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Speaker 1: that were coming from the EOP and coming from Trump Tower,

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Speaker 1: that this represents a very very very small fraction of

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Speaker 1: the ultimate traffic that was going in this direction. I'm sorry, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm way out of my depth here in terms of

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Speaker 1: the tech. But the basic idea is that they were

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Speaker 1: using non public information to spin a store to the FBI,

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Speaker 1: and they were lying about their motivations for spinning this story.

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Speaker 1: That's really what this ultimately comes down to. I'll read

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Speaker 1: you a little bit more of the language here because

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Speaker 1: it gives you a sense of where some of this

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00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: information came from. It says, in connection with these efforts

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Speaker 1: that Tech Executive one exploited his access to non public

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Speaker 1: and or proprietory Internet data. Tech Executive one also enlisted

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Speaker 1: the assistance of researchers at a US based university who

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Speaker 1: were receiving and analyzing large amounts of Internet data in

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Speaker 1: connection with a pending federal government cybersecurity research contract. So

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Speaker 1: they're using this data that is not public to spin

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Speaker 1: a narrative to try to persuade the FBI that there's

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Speaker 1: something here that they need to leak into. And then

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Speaker 1: we also know that they were obviously feeding the story

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Speaker 1: to media outlets, and the journalists who you know, uncritically

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Speaker 1: and unthinkingly were willing to regurgitate the story have all

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Speaker 1: of course been elevated. Franklin four. I mean this guy

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Speaker 1: was the Atlantic, he made a lot of money. Natur

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Speaker 1: Is another one, Alpha Bank. I mean these were big

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Speaker 1: careers made. She was. I mean she made her way

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Speaker 1: all the way from business insider national security to the

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Speaker 1: top NBC News MSNBC analysts, making a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: getting big contracts, and today actually serves as a chief

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Speaker 1: conduit of a lot of what the CIA wants to

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Speaker 1: launder in then, in terms of public information right now

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Speaker 1: during the Ukraine crisis, this is the biggest and greatest

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Speaker 1: sin of Russia Gate, is normalizing now and making the

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Speaker 1: careers of people who ultimately, at the end of the

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Speaker 1: day are mouthpieces for the CIA and others that have

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Speaker 1: long standing consequences far outside of Donald Trump. Well, these

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Speaker 1: are like those some of the same people now who

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Speaker 1: are being relied upon for their Ukraine analysis exactly. And

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Speaker 1: this matters, has a big matter in terms of our

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Speaker 1: public policy. But let's also not forget Donald Trump's information

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Speaker 1: a very mature and responsible way. So the most trump

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Speaker 1: Way possible statement up there on the screen. So the

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Speaker 1: latest latest pleading for special council provides indisputable evidence my

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Speaker 1: campaign was spied on by operatives paid by the Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton campaign. This is a scandal far greater in scope

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Speaker 1: and magnitude than Watergate. Those who were involved in and

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Speaker 1: knew about this spying operation should be subject to criminal

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Speaker 1: prosecution in a stronger period of time in our country.

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Speaker 1: This crime could have been punishable by death. In addition,

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Speaker 1: reparation should be paid to those in our country who

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Speaker 1: have been damaged by this. I don't know what those

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Speaker 1: reparations would look like. He says, we should use the

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Speaker 1: death penalty against those who were involved, the most Trumpian

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Speaker 1: response possible. Look, all things considered, I don't care this

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Speaker 1: story one way or the other. I mean, look, I

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Speaker 1: thought Russia Gate was a traumatic and horrific thing that

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Speaker 1: happened to the country, that it was a great crime

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Speaker 1: by many elites and in the media to grapple with

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00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: their own failings of Hillary Clinton. That being said, it's

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Speaker 1: been six something years now, and whenever you look at this,

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Speaker 1: Michael said, Okay, fine, to keep Michael Sussman obviously Hillary

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Speaker 1: was dirty. But look Trump, I mean, he won the

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Speaker 1: two Ony sixteen election against all odds. That's the real

861
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Speaker 1: story to me. And then yes, I mean you barely lost.

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Speaker 1: You only lost by forty thousand votes in the twenty

863
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Speaker 1: twenty presidential election. So litigating what happened in September of

864
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, I don't think that's the biggest story in

865
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Speaker 1: the country. I thought Obamagate, Ukraine Great and Russiagate were

866
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: immensely important at the time, and they certainly should have

867
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Speaker 1: been investigated, and I support, you know, bringing those people

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Speaker 1: to justice, and I think they were dirty as hell.

869
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: But to still focus and litigate on the twenty sixteen

870
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: election at this point is just pointless. We have much

871
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: much bigger problems than that, and everybody getting all wrapped

872
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: up on this and right wing media, I don't know

873
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: what to tell you. You were correct. I'm not disputing it.

874
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: The media are definitely, you know, enemies, criminals for what

875
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: they did back in twenty seventeen and all throughout the

876
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: Russiagate scandal. But look, man, we got COVID, we got

877
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: an economy supply chain crisis. I think it's time to

878
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: move on yeah. I think the other piece of this

879
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: that is important, though, is that the media was so

880
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: upset us with this story. And part of why we

881
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: had so much trouble figuring out what the hell happened

882
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: is because you only have like two outlets, right that

883
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: even cover it, right, the initial story came from Fox News,

884
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: and Fox News y'all got to get it together because

885
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: that thing was INCOMPREHENSI yeah, it was written horrible. It

886
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: was so poorly written or like, that's why we put

887
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail thing up there, because at least they

888
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 1: did a decent job, right, explained it in a way

889
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: that was like seventy percent comprehensible. But this part, that's

890
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: part of the problem is that since you only have

891
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: like one or two write ups to rely on, and

892
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: they both come from partisan media, it makes it really

893
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: hard to try to really figure out. Okay, obviously Trump

894
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: Trump is saying like spying, treason, hang them, and you know,

895
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: there's this very dense article to try to figure out

896
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: what's going on here, So it makes it very difficult

897
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: to accurately report what happened and you know why it

898
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: matters and what the stakes ultimately are and I think

899
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: you know, just to tie it back to some of

900
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: the conversations we've been having about censorship and misinformation and

901
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: all of that, is the people who spread this kind

902
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: of misinformation which is so damaging, which we will live

903
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: with the consequences of for a long time. You've infected

904
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: like half the population with these horrific Russia brainworms, you know,

905
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: going right back to this total Cold war mentality. There's

906
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: no accountability there. They don't even feel it. And this

907
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: is I think was it Tiby that also made this

908
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: point about this is in some ways worse than any

909
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: the Iraq War, because at least at the end of

910
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: that they all had to acknowledge like we got played

911
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,959
Speaker 1: and we were really wrong, and there was some sort

912
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: of like contrition about it. Now with this, like they

913
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: won't even cover the new developments that expose how wrong

914
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: they were from the beginning and the way that they

915
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: were manipulated and played or in some cases like knew

916
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: basically that they were lying to the public. So that's

917
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: I think probably the most important piece of this story

918
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: ultimately is it is a media story about how they

919
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: were really happy to go into all of these insane conspiracies.

920
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: What if Trump was of Russian agent since nineteen eighty seven,

921
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: and the pe tape and all of that. But the

922
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 1: stuff that comes out now that's inconvenient for what they

923
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: were selling for years. They just don't even bother. They

924
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: don't even bother to talk about it. No, you're absolutely right.

925
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: I think ar analysis fits with the next story. Yes,

926
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: what they are talking about that we didn't want to

927
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: fail to bring you is Trump's handling of potentially sensitive information.

928
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: And I do have to say, we're going to get

929
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: to this, like incredibly cringe Hillary post later on the

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00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: Buttterer emails. She's like trying to sell hats with butter emails.

931
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Speaker 1: You don't have any Yeah, I really recommend to you

932
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Speaker 1: because it is some of the most cringe, the most

933
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: cringe merchandise I've ever seen in my life. But I

934
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: do think it's fair to say that if you were

935
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,479
Speaker 1: super obsessed with how Hillary handled her emails, you should

936
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: probably care a little bit about this story about me.

937
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: Cares how Trump handled his classified information. So let's put

938
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: this up there on the screen. Maggie Haberman, who I

939
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: think was one of the most solid reporters during the

940
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Speaker 1: Trump administration, has a new book coming out this fall.

941
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: Called confidence man about his rise and about his presidency.

942
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 1: She gave Axios this little scooplet that she got, which

943
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: is that reportedly Trump had a habit of flushing documents

944
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Speaker 1: down the toilet in the White House residence. Here's Axios.

945
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: They say, well, President Trump was in office. Staff in

946
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: the White House Residence periodically discovered wads of printed paper

947
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: clogging toilet and believed the President had flushed pieces of paper.

948
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Speaker 1: That is the Maggie Haberman scoop. Let's go ahead and

949
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: put Politico up on the screen. Of course, Trump denies it.

950
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: He says that the allegations are another fake story, calls

951
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: them categorically untrue, simply made up by a reporter in

952
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: order to get publicity for a mostly fictitious book. Mostly

953
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 1: fictitious book, by the way, that he apparently like cooperated with. Yeah,

954
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: I sat down with her. He just can't he just

955
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: can't resist canny and every person I know who's writing

956
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: a book about Trump, it's the easiest thing in the

957
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: world to get to sit down with him. That's his

958
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, I can tell you this. I

959
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: interviewed Trump the day that Bob Woodward's book, first Book

960
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: came out and his biggest his biggest pet peeve was

961
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: that Bob had not spoken to him for the book. Now,

962
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: it's not that Bob didn't try, it's that his staff

963
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: never told him that calling. Yeah, that's what was happening.

964
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: So just a little bit of inside yeah. And so

965
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: part of the deal with Maggie is she covered him

966
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: as part of like the New York She kne him

967
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: for a long time, long time, constantly. I mean, this

968
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: is the other thing I can also put out there,

969
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: just because I worked in the press score and I

970
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: knew how it worked. A lot of the times when

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00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 1: Maggie Haberman would say a senior administration official, that's administration

972
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: was Trump. Yeah, he technically is the most senior administration official.

973
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: Many of the Trumpkins will not believe me on this.

974
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: He had a great relationship with the press. He would

975
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: call them constantly. He was always checking up on what

976
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: was going on. And as much as they bashed him,

977
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: the press in public, they loved Trump. They could call him.

978
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: They knew he was the only president in history would

979
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: just call a reporter randomly just to chat and be like,

980
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: what's going on with this and then leak something off

981
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: the record. I saw it all firsthand, the total symbiotic

982
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 1: relationship exactly because they were getting wrinched right for him.

983
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: Now he was getting pressed. Now look at how their

984
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: ratings are, and you can see why they enjoyed that

985
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: relationship with the president. But I do think, I mean,

986
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: I will read Maggie's book when it comes out. I'll

987
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: be much more interested in that one than in some

988
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: of the other ones. The other piece of the Trump

989
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: classified information story, and we don't know, by the way, obviously,

990
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: we don't know, first of all, if it's true about

991
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: the toilets. Second of all, what was being flushed, whether

992
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: it was sensitive or classic, we don't know. All we

993
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: know is that staff were saying, according to Maggie Haberman,

994
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: that they were finding was a printed paper, no toilet.

995
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: It does sound like the thing Trump would do. I

996
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: will say that much. The other piece that we have

997
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more on is the fact that he

998
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: brought a lot of documents, some of which were classified,

999
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: and reportedly some of which were even marked top secret

1000
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: down Tomorrow a lago. Rather than handling them in the

1001
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: way that's appropriate, they're supposed to be handed over to

1002
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: the National Archives, so they can sort of like take

1003
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 1: care of them. He apparently brought a bunch of stuff

1004
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: with him, boxes and boxes down tomorrow lago, and they

1005
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: are there are questions about the legality of doing so. Now,

1006
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: what I will say is that the president has a

1007
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: lot of latitude with regards to classified documents, including he's

1008
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: the classif iron chief, He's the classifyron chief, So if

1009
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: he wants to declassify something, he can unilatterally do that.

1010
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: So for those who are thinking there might be a

1011
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: legal case here against Trump, it's probably going to be

1012
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: pretty difficult to prove. It's a high legal bar again

1013
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: to criminal charges. The Washington Post says, prosecutors would have

1014
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: to prove someone intentionally mishandled the material was grossly negligent

1015
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: in doing so, which can be a steep hurdle in

1016
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: its own right. That's why Hillary wasn't charged is because

1017
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: they didn't deem that she met that bar of intentionally

1018
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: mishandling the material or being grossly negligent in doing so.

1019
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: And Trump, as president, would have had unfettered latitude to

1020
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: declassified material, potentially raising even bigger challenges to bringing a

1021
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: case against him. But I do think Edward Snowden made

1022
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: a really good point. Let's put his tweet up on

1023
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: the screen. Once upon a time, just copying a top

1024
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: secret document was enough to get you prosecuted. Ask me

1025
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: how I know. And with Trump and his staff, and

1026
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: there were things about Avanka and how she handled classified information,

1027
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: all of that, and with Hillary Clinton. I think it

1028
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: shows you the way that routinely elites feel like none

1029
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: of the normal rules apply to them, and oftentimes they

1030
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: don't apply to them, and there is no accountability for

1031
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: the crimes that they do commit. No, I think you're right.

1032
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: And this is again one of the stories where it's like,

1033
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 1: oh my god, yes, I mean, did anyone expect Trump

1034
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 1: to handle classified information? Well? No, No. This is also

1035
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: gets to the whole poor and you know Hillary kryd

1036
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: of capitalize on this classic let's put this up there.

1037
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: She posted this on screen, but her email she's selling

1038
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: these hats because apparently lady's not rich enough already. I

1039
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: have to pull up the please let me pull it up,

1040
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: because it includes the word Gallantine's Day, Oh good Gallentine's Day,

1041
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: and the news that Trump was flushing documents down White

1042
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: House toilets. A special edition hat is in the Onward

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Speaker 1: Together store now as always, proceeds support the work of

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Speaker 1: my profile. So, guys, just a little little tip for

1047
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Speaker 1: you there. If you want for Gallantine's Day, you can

1048
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Speaker 1: go get the most cringe merchandise of your life. That's right.

1049
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: What always bothered me about all of this is that, look,

1050
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: it was not necessarily just the email. It was Hillary

1051
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 1: gets away with stuff that no other person would, and

1052
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: it was about corruption within the elite. Yeah. I think

1053
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: that also applies to Trump. Trump also gets away with

1054
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that no other normal person would. However,

1055
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: Trump was able to tap into that anger and Hillary

1056
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: was not, and that is her ultimate political failure. So

1057
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: the misunderstanding of the email scandal and so much more,

1058
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, who cares so much about classified information?

1059
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 1: You never understood, which is and I'm not saying people

1060
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: are logically consistent. The reason it struck a note was

1061
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: everybody knew that a normal person would have gone to

1062
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: jail for what Hillary did. Everyone knew that, and she

1063
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: didn't because she was Secretary of State, former first Lady

1064
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: and had all these connections within the government, and it

1065
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: was a symbol of corruption of the elites being able

1066
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: to get away with something, well, nobody else is not.

1067
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: That's right, and that's what Trump spoke to. And that

1068
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Speaker 1: was exactly what people hated the most about the Clintons,

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Speaker 1: exactly was the sense that the rules that everyone else

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Speaker 1: had to play by didn't apply and apply to them.

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Speaker 1: And you know, you tie that in with the Goldman

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Speaker 1: Sacks speeches and all of that, and you could just

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Speaker 1: Clinton Foundation and you know, and yeah, the way that

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00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: that was tied in with her time in the State

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Speaker 1: Department and all of this was genuinely awful and played

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Speaker 1: into people's yeah, greatest concerns, legitimate concerns about Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: and that is why it struck such an incredible nerve.

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00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: But you know, for people who profit from not understanding

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Speaker 1: those things, it's easy to just condense it down to

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00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: like butter emails and paint it like it was just

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Speaker 1: some you know, unfair smearing of Hillary Clinton. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: the thing I always say is it is incredible the

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Speaker 1: person who was most directly responsible for giving as Donald

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00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: Trump is Hillary Clinton, no question, and there's no that's right.

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00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: And the people who rigged the system to make sure

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00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: it was Hillary Clinton, and yet she suffers like there's

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00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: no accountability there. There was never any soul searching there. Immediately,

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00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean this is documented too. Immediately after she loses,

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00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: they get together in a conference room to decide who

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00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: they're going to blame that loss and how they're going

1091
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: to spin it. Russia. Guess who they decide Russia, And

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00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: then the media, like dutiful little puppy dogs, picks up

1093
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: on that narrative and spins out the lies and the

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00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that you know, just continue unabated and lead

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00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: us to this dangerous place in Ukraine. So it's sort

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00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: of like all of these stories are there's really a

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00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: through line and connection to because a lot of it

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00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,440
Speaker 1: does start with this woman and Russia Gate one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: So look, we covered them both, Durham and Flushgate the

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00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: only places that will do it, and I think they

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00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: both speak to obsessions on the right and on the

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Speaker 1: left and litigating two twenty sixteen. We got big problems

1103
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: right now. It's been six years, okay on either side.

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00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: I just say let it go. And meanwhile I see

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00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: people on CNN be like this is water works Gate

1106
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: and all this. It's just I mean, spais the cringe

1107
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: for God, Please, I'm begging you, as a citizen, please

1108
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: spare us from all this. But they won't. They'll be

1109
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: continually focused on this, and then they wonder why everybody

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00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: hates each other and things that the media focuses on

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00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: things that don't really matter. So we try to give

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00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: you all sides of both the listic view. Yeah, speaking

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00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: of CNN, what do we got there? Oh man, this

1114
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: is great, great stuff, Crystal so I he's the wrong story.

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00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: By the way, about CNN plus streaming that we're recording

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00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: a segment for later in the week, so look forward

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Speaker 1: to that. We've got an even juicier one for you today.

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00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: This one is a juicyes it gets and look, I

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00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 1: promise you I am as sick of talking about the

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Speaker 1: Joe Rogan thing as most of you. But it's important

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00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: to try and call these things out because we are

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00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: seeing full on brainworms weaponized warfare by the mainstream media

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00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: against a freaking comedy podcast. So let's go ahead and

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00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: put this up there on the screen. CNN put out

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Speaker 1: op ed yesterday titled quote Joe Rogan's use of the

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Speaker 1: N word is another January sixth moment by a mister

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00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: John Blake, who is a CNN political analyst. No, Now,

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Speaker 1: that headline ended up getting so much pushback that they

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Speaker 1: actually ended up changing it to the one on the right,

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Speaker 1: which says, quote why shrugging off Joe Rogan's use of

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Speaker 1: the N word is so dangerous? And the reason why

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01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: it struck a chord and by this I mean why

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01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: it struck a chord as to mocking and making fun

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Speaker 1: of it is that as the point I actually made

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Speaker 1: on the Joe Rogan experience, which was that January sixth

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Speaker 1: has become a catch all symbol for the Democrats that

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Speaker 1: they're focusing on. So the point that has nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with Trump and is instead in citing a domestic

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01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: war on terror that actually, if you put it in

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: the guy on context, isn't nearly as important as the

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01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: things that we're focusing on. That the Select Committee and

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01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: all has become just like Russiagate and its excuse for

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01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: any of the many of the Democrats failings and the

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01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: papers over the bigger problems in the country. They then

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01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: use this and say that Rogan's past use of the

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01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: N word, which I am not condoning it, which he

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01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: himself has apologized for a law with some jokes which

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01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: were terrible by his own admission and his own right. Well,

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Speaker 1: they are saying that that is the January sixth moment,

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01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: and Christal I had to suffer through reading this crap.

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01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: Let's put this up there. I enjoyed by John. It's

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01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: one of the most tortured fake new headline they're up there. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: what Blake says is that because Rogan got away with it,

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01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: and again what does that mean to get away with it?

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01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: But he survives and gets to continue publishing on Spotify,

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01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 1: that this has then normalized N word use in the

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Speaker 1: United States. I think it is the most patently ludicrous

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Speaker 1: interpretation because what he says is that because Rogan survived

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01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: in the way that Republicans have survived, this is the

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01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: same January sixth moment, and he's essentially saying that Rogan

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Speaker 1: and the Republican Party should thus know, I guess no

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01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: longer be exist, Like what are you saying? And this

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01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 1: is also what I love And Charlemagne actually is the

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Speaker 1: one who said this, not me. Whenever somebody on his

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01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: show is like, I want to see him pay a consequence.

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Speaker 1: He's like, what does that mean? What are you saying?

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Speaker 1: What's enough? He apologized for it, what's enough for you? Oh?

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Speaker 1: You want him to get taken off? That's what you

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01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: really want? You wanted to do. It's like what should

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01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: be drawn up and quartered in the streets. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you when you compare it to January sixth and

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Speaker 1: what these people want? What do you want? You want

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01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 1: a congressional investigation that lasts well over a year, longer

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01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: than January sixth itself. You want us to pointlessly spend

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Speaker 1: all of our time talking about this rather than the

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Speaker 1: issues that matter. Oh yeah, that actually seems in a way,

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Speaker 1: sure it is a January sixth moment, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of the most tortured and

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01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: ridiculous things I've seen. But it does crystallize, crystallize. It's

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Speaker 1: alway funny, want to use that word. It does show

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01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: you elite liberal public opinion on the Rogan scandal and

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01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: how they're trying to use it as some sort of

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01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: bigger societal pretext more than anything else. So had to

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Speaker 1: cover it. Just show you how crazy these people, and

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01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: I disrespect them even more that they change the headline.

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01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah right, stick by it absolutely, because the whole

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Speaker 1: point of the piece is about January sixth. I mean

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Speaker 1: it leads with January six and then the kicker at

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Speaker 1: the end is about January sixth. Clearly like that is

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Speaker 1: the thesis that is being offered here. I'll just read

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01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: you the beginning so you can get a little bit

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Speaker 1: of taste, and I got a couple of highlights for

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Speaker 1: you too, They say. The podcaster Joe Rogan did not

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01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 1: join a mob that forced lawmakers to flee for their lives.

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01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: He never carried a Confederate flag inside the US Capitol rotunda.

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01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 1: No one died trying to stop him from using the

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Speaker 1: N word. But what Rogan and those that defend him

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Speaker 1: have done since video clips of him using the nword

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Speaker 1: surface on social media is arguably just as dangerous as

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Speaker 1: what a mob did when they stormed the US capital

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01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: on January sixth last year. And as if that's not

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01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: deranged enough, this individual goes on to suggest that Rogan

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01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 1: could lead to genocide. I'm not kidding you, they say.

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01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: When people in positions of power use dehumanizing language to

1205
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 1: describe other groups, atrocities often follow. This is not ancient history.

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Speaker 1: They go on to talk about Rwanda and the Tutsis

1207
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: and the Hutus, like Rogan repeating the N word in

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01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: the context of someone else saying it is going to

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01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: lead to some mass genocide on the level of I mean,

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01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: this is totally totally insane. And it's one thing for

1211
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: there to be some random analyst who has these completely

1212
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: insane ideas. It's another for one of the leading news

1213
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: networks allegedly in the country to platform this idea and

1214
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: publish it and put it on in a tweet. And

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01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, this is completely It just shows you,

1216
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: number one, how wildly desperate they are for anything that

1217
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: can save them from the ratings apocalypse that they've been suffering,

1218
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:44,320
Speaker 1: but also just how far afield they are from what

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01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: actually matters to people and what's actually gone wrong in

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Speaker 1: this country. I mean, this is so far from the

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Speaker 1: real issues facing this country. That's what's incredibly you know,

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Speaker 1: putting Rogan aside, that's what's really disturbing about it. And

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Speaker 1: you know, also, I'll point to that down in there,

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Speaker 1: he goes, He points to past cancellations. He goes the

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Speaker 1: top executive who resigned from Netflix after using the N word.

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Speaker 1: One of the instances actually in which led Joe to

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Speaker 1: actually say that on a show, but in which he

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01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: was referring to an executive who was who was mocking

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Speaker 1: the idea of saying it, and was still fired this

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01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: Netflix executive back in twenty eighteen, or when Roseanne Barr

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01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: lost her show, or when Paula Dean lost her business

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Speaker 1: Empire or Seinfeld. In terms of a past cancelations, he's saying,

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Speaker 1: cancelation works, it should be the norm. This is the

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Speaker 1: way that we should litigate and set new norms in

1235
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: American society. And the fact that it didn't work in

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Speaker 1: this time is now proof that January sixth is every day.

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Speaker 1: That was another famous headline. I think that we wrote here,

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Speaker 1: didn't we That we showed here from the Washington Post?

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Speaker 1: January sixth is every day on Capitol Hill because the

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01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: people who are responsible, once again, who are those people

1241
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: always nebulous? They never point that out outside of Trump himself,

1242
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: are still walking around. It's look, this is being used

1243
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 1: and weaponized as a pretext, just like with Rogan on

1244
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: the Rogan side is in order to crack down on

1245
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: all heterodox opinion as a pretext to cover up for

1246
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: the fact that they have mass failure and institutional lack

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01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 1: of trust. January sixth Select Committee and metch of This

1248
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: is the same thing, cover up the fact that Biden

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01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: administration is failing and failing, and to not actually and

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Speaker 1: then use it as a pretext also to expand the

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01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: domestic national security state. Rogan clear as day, Rogan is

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Speaker 1: an embarrassment to CNN. He humiliates them because his existence humiliates.

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01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: His existence humiliates them, his success humiliates them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you see Brian Stelter like coping in real time with

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01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: like why do they trust too? Yeah, they did a

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Speaker 1: whole segment They're like, we hired an expert to show

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Speaker 1: us why people like the Joe Rogan experience. Yeah, you

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01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: should hire an expert. You should hire an expert to

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01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 1: sit down and be like, this is why people don't

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Speaker 1: trust you. And I know this sounds repetitive and all

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Speaker 1: of that, but you have to see this is like

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Speaker 1: a full scale information warfare upon a system and a

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01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: space frankly, which allows us to even exist. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is why I see it as such an existential threat.

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Speaker 1: If they could try and take him out, they could

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Speaker 1: take any of us out at any time. We're not

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Speaker 1: like uncancellable the way he is not even close, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, our business is set up thanks to

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Speaker 1: our premium people that you know, we won't suffer if

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Speaker 1: it happens. But it can happen like that to somebody lesser,

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Speaker 1: and I've seen it happen many times now or many

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Speaker 1: of those exist. Those instances of which we just reiterated,

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Speaker 1: and the ongoing warfare like this, it takes a toll. Look,

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Speaker 1: Joe may survive, but will he be able to book

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Speaker 1: the same? What if there are guests out there, some

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Speaker 1: of my personal favorite guest who've been on the Rogan

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Speaker 1: experience have nothing to do with politics, people like Robert

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Speaker 1: Downey Junior, or like Rob Low, or artists or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Will those people be able to go back on the show.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to suffer reputational damage that these are people,

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Speaker 1: you know, freaking iron man like you think he's going

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Speaker 1: to suffer or he's going to take a risk. When

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Speaker 1: that happens, it could have an impact on his product.

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Speaker 1: And I think that that is the goal to make

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Speaker 1: him as radioactive as Donald Trump was in our mainstream culture,

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Speaker 1: to try and neuter him, but ultimately I do think

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Speaker 1: in the long run that makes him stronger. But don't

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Speaker 1: don't underestimate this. It's a full scale, you know, warfare

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Speaker 1: upon this space. Yeah, and CNN has a direct financial

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Speaker 1: interest in tearing him apart, which is always important to

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Speaker 1: remember when you're reading these things too. I just hope

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Speaker 1: it doesn't get in his head because part of what

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Speaker 1: people do love is his intellectual risk taking that he

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Speaker 1: just you know, says what he thinks, and you know,

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Speaker 1: sometimes that's wonderful. A lot of times it's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it goes off the rails, as we've talked about

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Speaker 1: with the you know, the vaccine information. But I really

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Speaker 1: hope that this doesn't get in his head and impact

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Speaker 1: the way that he does his show. I don't think

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Speaker 1: so he's already back at it, so I think it'll

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Speaker 1: be okay. But look, we look at all this and

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Speaker 1: you can see what the mainstream media is going and

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Speaker 1: doing to people, and actually predicted this. I did a

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Speaker 1: monologue I think a couple months ago about how CNN

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Speaker 1: right now is ignoring the space. They were for a

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Speaker 1: long time then Rogan got so big that they started

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Speaker 1: to lob some attacks with the vaccine stuff. But then

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Speaker 1: this was a full scale political hit job up and

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Speaker 1: I predicted that this would happen because when they can't,

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Speaker 1: when they realize they can't compete with you, and they

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Speaker 1: realize they're never going to change what made them so

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Speaker 1: untrustworthy in the first place, they're going to declare war

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Speaker 1: upon independent media. And I think this was the first

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Speaker 1: opening battle in what is going to be a long

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Speaker 1: civil war for many years to come. Indeed, all right, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: what do you take a look at? Well, guys, we

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Speaker 1: are into twenty twenty two now, and the writing is

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Speaker 1: pretty much on the wall for Democrats in the midterms.

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Speaker 1: The House is gone, the Senate very likely is too.

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Speaker 1: Barring some totally crazy and unforeseen event that completely turns

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Speaker 1: the political landscape upside down, it's going to be an

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Speaker 1: ugly one for Dems. We've laid out for you. The

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Speaker 1: deeply revealing GOP strategy of literally running on nothing, not

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Speaker 1: even bothering to pretend that you're going to do anything

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Speaker 1: for the public is about as cynical as it gets

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Speaker 1: and displays an obvious contempt for voters. But in terms

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Speaker 1: of embarrassing political strategies, what the Democrats are contemplating. Now

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Speaker 1: gives the Republicans a real run for their money, because

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Speaker 1: apparently the people with powered influence in the power I've

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Speaker 1: decided that the correct strategy for the midterms is to

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Speaker 1: promise even less than they already have and obsess over

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Speaker 1: Trump even more. Do these people have a single brain

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Speaker 1: cell among them? Let's start with this part of the story.

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Speaker 1: Our former president Barack Obama has decided to take a

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Speaker 1: small break from his Netflix steal and his celebrity hangouts

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Speaker 1: and his uber cringe Bruce Springsteen podcast to weigh in

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Speaker 1: on Democratic Party politics. According to punch Bowl News, Obama

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Speaker 1: joined a House Dems conference call to urge them to

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Speaker 1: stop whining about not being able to fulfill their most

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Speaker 1: basic campaign promises and to cave more, citing his own

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Speaker 1: capitulation during the Obamacare fight. Now, before even getting to

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Speaker 1: Obama's comments, let's just take in the fact that this

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Speaker 1: super popular DC tip sheet Newslater is brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Blackstone a disgusting acknowledgment of what the business of

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Speaker 1: journalism actually is, how they get their scoops, and who

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Speaker 1: those scoops are meant to serve. But I digress as

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Speaker 1: far as Obama's comments, he said, Democrats have a tendency

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Speaker 1: to complain about what we didn't get done, rather than

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Speaker 1: talking about what we did get done. Continuing, if we

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Speaker 1: can get some stuff done, some major domestic initiatives, some

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Speaker 1: progress on climate, there will come a point where you

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Speaker 1: decide if you're getting nothing or getting that. In other words,

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Speaker 1: stop fighting for anything that's even remotely adequate for the moment,

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Speaker 1: give up more often, and remember above all else that

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Speaker 1: politics is about winning elections, not actually delivering for the people.

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01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: Of course, Obama's strategy is one that will both deliver

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Speaker 1: nothing and lose massively, just as he did in his

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Speaker 1: famous twenty ten shellacking. I love his assertion too that

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Speaker 1: somehow Obamacare is a model to follow here as if

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Speaker 1: it wasn't a total insurance company giveaway that still left

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Speaker 1: millions of people out in the cold and with massively

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Speaker 1: high prices. Now is a particularly brazen time to cite

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Speaker 1: it as a grand success, given that part of why

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Speaker 1: so many Americans have a deadly mistrust of the healthcare

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Speaker 1: system is because it continues to be corrupted by profit

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Speaker 1: seeking goal who care only about their own bank accounts

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Speaker 1: and couldn't give a shit about the health they are

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Speaker 1: supposed to be in the business of providing. Thanks Obama,

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Speaker 1: and while yes, single payer had not become a significant

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Speaker 1: part of the conversation back when Obama was passing the ACA,

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Speaker 1: the idea that he fought for and one all he

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Speaker 1: could get is just not true and I cannot allow

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Speaker 1: it to stand. Adam Green of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee,

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Speaker 1: a group that was intimately involved in that fight, specifically

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Speaker 1: in the fight to add a public option to Obamacare

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Speaker 1: when that was a live issue, he also corrected the

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Speaker 1: record on Twitter about the possibilities that existed in that

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Speaker 1: specific moment, reminding everyone that Obama cave to centers and

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Speaker 1: statsy won by large margins, and that there was a

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Speaker 1: possible majority coalition on the table for a public option

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Speaker 1: if he bothered to try. Of Course, as our friend

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Speaker 1: I Army often points out, Obama's only political interest now

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Speaker 1: is in preserving his legacy. That, of course requires him

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Speaker 1: persuading everyone that what he accomplished is the maximum that

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Speaker 1: can ever be accomplished. He views that any major legislation

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Speaker 1: or real progress as a threat to that legacy, so

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Speaker 1: you can nearly always find him right there waiting in

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Speaker 1: the wings, trying to derail everything good and persuading politicians

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Speaker 1: who really don't need much persuasion to think small. So

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Speaker 1: the first part of the midterm messaging is cave war

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Speaker 1: promised less. But if anything, the second part of their

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Speaker 1: message is even more astoundingly stupid. We're going to double

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Speaker 1: down on Trump obsession. This portion comes from a Washington

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Speaker 1: Post piece looking at the internal dem debates on midterm strategy.

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Speaker 1: According to this article, some influential players in the party

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Speaker 1: are pushing Dems to run more on Trump and on

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Speaker 1: January sixth. This is not just a group of random

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Speaker 1: fringe operatives either, Folks Stop Him now. A key super

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Speaker 1: pack in this effort was launched by Mandy Grunwald. Mandy

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Speaker 1: was director for advertising for Bill Clinton's ninety two campaign.

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Speaker 1: She produced the glossy biomontage that was the center of

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Speaker 1: the ninety two DNC. She was expelled from Clinton World

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Speaker 1: for a time before making a big comeback fciferously defending

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Speaker 1: Bill from scandal and then landing in Hillary World for

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Speaker 1: her Senate campaign in the Biden era. This is funny.

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Speaker 1: She's been called in to try to minimize the damage

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Speaker 1: that CDC director Rochelle Wolinski does in her frequent trade

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Speaker 1: Wreck interviews. In other words, Mandy's as well known and

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Speaker 1: well connected in DC as she possibly could be, and

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Speaker 1: she's also not alone. The article quotes other DC operatives

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Speaker 1: pushing packs in the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee to lean

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Speaker 1: into Trump and lean into January sixth as a key

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Speaker 1: plank of their mid term messaging. Obama's twenty eight and

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Speaker 1: twenty twelve pollster Jeff Garrett is also pushing to put

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Speaker 1: Trump front and center, telling the Post Trump personally is

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Speaker 1: relevant to the extent that voter see Republican victories in

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Speaker 1: twenty two as setting the stage for Trump's comeback in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. That is the message they're pushing. These

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Speaker 1: influential operatives fret that the wrong lesson was learned from

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Speaker 1: Terry mccollll's loss in Virginia to Glenn Youngkin. Mccauliffe basically

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Speaker 1: spent the entire campaign doing nothing other than telling people

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Speaker 1: Glen Youngkin was the second coming of Donald Trump. Now,

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Speaker 1: given that Trump lost Virginia by nearly ten points, if

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Speaker 1: that strategy was gonna work anywhere, it was in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: especially where the liberal northern Virginia suburbs have come to

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Speaker 1: dominate electoral politics. Voters, though thoroughly rejected this Trump centric

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Speaker 1: messaging as clearly as they possibly could. So these Democrats

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Speaker 1: are trying to unlearn the one reasonable thing that they

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Speaker 1: actually learned from mccollough's loss, and of course no one

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Speaker 1: was ever interested in learning the real reasoncy loss Number

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Speaker 1: one that mccallf's own entanglements with the vultures in private

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Speaker 1: equity left him unable to land a blow on Youngkin

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Speaker 1: for his tenure at the Carlisle Group, and number two

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Speaker 1: that Democrats failed to deliver on an agenda that would

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Speaker 1: materially benefit the public in any meaningful way, giving people

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Speaker 1: no real reason to continue showing up for these people,

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01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: which brings us right back to where we started, with

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01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: Barack Obama telling Democrats it would be politically disastrous for

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Speaker 1: them to even try to deliver. Now, maybe your thing, sorry, Crystal,

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01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 1: but material politics is out. The only thing that really

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01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: matters now is the culture war. Well, we've just had

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01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: a revealing and terrible experiment that proves the material politics

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01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: can still significantly sway voters. Democrats, you will recall, passed

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01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: a temporary child tax credit as part of COVID relief.

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01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: It helped reduce childhood poverty and bolster household finances to

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Speaker 1: actually an impressive degree. That child tax credit has now ended,

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01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: resulting in financial strain for families and apparently, according to

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Speaker 1: new numbers, political carnage for Democrats. In fact, Morning Consult

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Speaker 1: found that after the child tax credit expired, political support

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01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: for Democrats fell off a cliff. Among those specifically who

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01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: had benefited from it back in December, you can see

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01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: in these charts this group supported Democrats by a margin

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Speaker 1: of forty nine to thirty seven, a significant advantage. Now

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01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: that the credit has expired, That same group that had

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Speaker 1: benefited from the credit supports Democrats and Republicans in statistically

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01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:01,799
Speaker 1: equal numbers, massive decline for Democrats over the same time period.

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Speaker 1: Overall support for the parties among all voters was more

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01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 1: or less static, so it was only those who lost

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01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:12,879
Speaker 1: the benefit that abandoned Democrats in large and significant numbers

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01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: over that time period. But actually delivering for people, while

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01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:18,759
Speaker 1: that's hard and it's frequently at odds with donor interest

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01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 1: going after Trump and promising nothing, well that's pretty easy.

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Speaker 1: And it's also been wildly profitable for the people who

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01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: are pushing this direction. If they win, fine, if they lose,

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01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: they'll still get rich. So guess which direction they're going

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01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,600
Speaker 1: to go with. In no world do Republicans deserve to

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01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: win this fall, But Democrats sure as hell do deserve

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Speaker 1: to lose. I can't. I mean, I can believe it,

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Speaker 1: but it's just incredible. I don't. And if you want

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Speaker 1: to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue, become a premium

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Speaker 1: subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com. All right, sego, do

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Speaker 1: you look at it? Well? The only thing that you

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01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 1: can rely on the US media to do at a

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01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: time like this, when war is possible, is for them

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01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:02,959
Speaker 1: to parrot the official line from the State Department, especially

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Speaker 1: if Democrats are in power. Now millions of Americans are

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Speaker 1: asking themselves at home right now, what the hell is

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01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: going on in Ukraine. It's a complicated question. The White

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Speaker 1: House in the media would have you all believe this

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01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 1: just started yesterday, devoid of contexts, devoid of and understanding

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Speaker 1: how we even arrived at such an insane place. I

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Speaker 1: actually happened to love Russian history. It's a place that's

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01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: fascinated me for a really long time. So let's take

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01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: a trip down memory lane of US policy towards Russia.

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Speaker 1: The Cold War, I'm gonna assume is familiar enough to

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Speaker 1: most of view, but after World War II, the world

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Speaker 1: was basically left with two superpowers, the United States and

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Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. The US, with its Allied West, had

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01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,759
Speaker 1: one vision for the future of Europe, the Soviets had another. Both. Ultimately,

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01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: we're about economic and security control. As superpower conflict escalated,

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01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: the US and the Allied West, seeking to show solidarity

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01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: against the Soviets as they consolidated control over East Germany

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01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 1: and Berlin. In nineteen forty seven signed a Mutual Defense

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01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: Packed with France and the UK. The next year it

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01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: included Belgium and some other Western countries, and in nineteen

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01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 1: forty nine it was codified officially as NATO. The North

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01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 1: Atlantic Treaty Organization. NATO was specifically designed to extend the

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01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: US nuclear umbrella over Western Europe to deter the Soviet Union.

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01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,799
Speaker 1: They responded in kind after the Soviets got the bomb

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01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: with something called the Warsaw Pact in nineteen fifty five,

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01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: and it produced the famous Iron Curtain. It is critical

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01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,759
Speaker 1: to understand that NATO was specifically formed as a deterrent

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01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 1: to the Soviet Union in the nineteen forties, because as

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01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:38,719
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union began to crumble, the United States sought

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01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: a peaceful transition to a new world order. President George W.

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01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: Bush and Secretary of State James Baker understood that Russia

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01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 1: must feel secure to transition out of the Soviet Union,

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01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,799
Speaker 1: and should feel secure by intimating that they long feared

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01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: NATO would not crawl east. President Bush specifically told Gorbachev

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01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: that the US would quote not take advantage of the

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01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: revolutions in Eastern Europe. And as East Germany began to

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01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 1: fall and the country consolidated, there again was actually a

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01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:10,719
Speaker 1: pledge by the German side that NATO itself, while yes,

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01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: was going to expand to East Germany during reunification, would

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01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 1: not continue to go east. Secretary of State James Baker

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01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: even told the Soviets that NATO would not expand quote

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01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 1: not one inch eastward as the Soviet Empire collapsed. Now

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01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 1: take those words very seriously because they matter a lot

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01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 1: in this story. While yes, the assurances were made in person,

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01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 1: they were never made in writing, and it was never

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01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: official US policy. After the fall of the Soviet Union.

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01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: The Bush administration specifically did not celebrate or declare victory

1523
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,839
Speaker 1: so as not to antagonize or dance on the graves

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01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: of the proud Russian people when they were down. It

1525
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: was a wise decision. It understood that how you handle

1526
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: victory is important because if you squander it, you could

1527
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,600
Speaker 1: find yourself in conflict again. After the fall of the

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01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: Soviet Union, the US had a really big choice to make.

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01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: What do we do with NATO. I mean, it doesn't

1530
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: really have a point anymore, or does it. And with

1531
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 1: the end of the Cold War came a new President,

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01:21:09,840 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, who had a lot of very idealistic views

1533
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: on international security. Clinton viewed the West and the NATO

1534
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 1: in its unipolar moment, as the guaranteur of peace across

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01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 1: the world, and thus, when a civil war broke out

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01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: in Yugoslavia, he committed not only the US but NATO

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01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: forces to an air campaign to try and protect civilians.

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01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 1: This was a very pivotal moment because Yugoslavia, while always independent,

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01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: has historically been the backyard of the Russian Empire, a

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01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: place where they have been involved for literally hundreds and

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01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: hundreds of years, and the interests of NATO didn't necessarily

1542
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: align with pro Russian sentiment, it was the first sign

1543
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: to the Russians that NATO specifically had the ability to

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01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 1: project military power in a place that they consider a

1545
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 1: vital security interest. From there, bigger decisions were made with NATO.

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01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,759
Speaker 1: Former Soviet states like the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland

1547
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: were admitted to NATO in nineteen ninety nine. Now, those

1548
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: states were begging for NATO membership because of their historic

1549
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: enslavement by the Russians, But it was then that the

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01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: debate was never had. Why does any of this make

1551
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: any sense whatsoever? Sure, those states want to join, that's great.

1552
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: If I were them, I would do the same thing,

1553
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 1: and I don't blame them, But why do they deserve

1554
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: the nuclear guarantee of the United States to total war?

1555
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety nine, when Russia was on its way

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01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:33,600
Speaker 1: to a corrupt oligarchic state, facing a massive currency crisis

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01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,040
Speaker 1: and weak as hell. The hubris at the time of

1558
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,920
Speaker 1: the US was, well, we can do whatever we want,

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01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 1: and the polls and the Czechs want to join, so okay,

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01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: why not let them? We believed we could extend this

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01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: guarantee with no costs. Now, This mindset continued under George W. Bush.

1562
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,879
Speaker 1: In two thousand and two, another major bridge was crossed.

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01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 1: Seven new countries Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, and

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01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: Slovenia were all invited to join NATO. Again, what's going on?

1565
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: Hold on a second. We are talking about a huge

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01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: part of the traditional Russian Empire and Soviet Union. Why

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01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 1: what is the threat here? Keep in mind, in two

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01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 1: thousand and two, the US foreign policy establishment thought that

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01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 1: Putin could be a friend of the United States. Putin

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01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 1: was the first leader to call George W. Bush after

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01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. He was invited to Bush's ranch in Crawford,

1572
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: Texas in November of two thousand and one. He was

1573
01:23:26,880 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: seen as a potential Democratic ally, but Bush and the

1574
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: United States effectively spit in his face. Months later, with

1575
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: the expansion of NATO, and after the belligerent War in Iraq,

1576
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: the US credibility on use of force was tarnished for

1577
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,320
Speaker 1: all time. To top it all off, in two thousand

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01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: and eight, Ukraine and Georgia were officially invited to join NATO,

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01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: leading to a Georgian conflict that was a warning of

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01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: what was to come. Today, Now when I say we

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01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 1: had no debate in this country over NATO, I really

1582
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: mean it. None zero, no panels, no congressional checks, nothing.

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01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 1: It was bipartisan policy. Only one man predicted what was

1584
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: to come, George Kennan. He was the famous father of

1585
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 1: our containment strategy against the Soviets. He wrote, quote in

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01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, this is a decision maybe expected to

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01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: inflame the nationalistic, anti Western and militaristic tendencies in Russian opinion,

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01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: to have an adverse effect on Russian democracy, and to

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01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 1: restore the atmosphere of the Cold War to East West relations.

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01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 1: He was a brilliant man who was ignored in his time,

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01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 1: and those warnings survives us to this day. So that

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01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 1: brings us to where we are now. Putin's pretexts in

1593
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: demand for massing troops near Ukraine is that he wants

1594
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: a guarantee from the US that NATO will never expand

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01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,560
Speaker 1: to Ukraine. He sees the creeping NATO threat as a

1596
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: pretext to keep Russia down and weak forever, never able

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01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:51,879
Speaker 1: to retain their former glory. Is it kind of crazy, Yeah, certainly,

1598
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 1: But people with nukes get a vote in international diplomacy

1599
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 1: and here in the West. We don't like to see

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01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 1: the perspective of the other fella. And I put this

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01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: all time together because when you see the big picture,

1602
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: it's a lot more complicated. Putin is certainly the arrestor.

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01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 1: If you look at events in just the last month,

1604
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: you zoom out a few decades, it's more complicated. Right.

1605
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: I say none of this as a fan or an

1606
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: apologist for Russia. I think they are a belligerent, failing state.

1607
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 1: But when I look at this history specifically, what I

1608
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,640
Speaker 1: see is the hubris of foreign policy elites in the

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01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: United States. It has cost us enough. These people they

1610
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 1: thought they could invade Iraq and expand NATO with no

1611
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,240
Speaker 1: consequences whatsoever. So when you see our elites in the

1612
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 1: White House or on TV arguing over what should be done,

1613
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: remember it's their fault we're even here in the first place.

1614
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: As younger Americans, Let's come together and say no enough,

1615
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: Let's have the debate our leaders never had, so that

1616
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: we do not repeat the age old mistake of graying,

1617
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 1: older men sending their sons abroad to die for their

1618
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 1: hubris and for their sins. And that's what I look

1619
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: at with that situation. I don't know how you can't

1620
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: look at that and say, and if you want to

1621
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 1: hear my reaction to Sager's monologue, become a premium subscriber

1622
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: today at Breakingpoints dot Com. Joining us now is Afghan

1623
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: journalist Ali Lufti. He was previously in Afghanistan. He's joining

1624
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 1: us now from Istanbul. He's here to discuss the Biden

1625
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: administration seizure of Afghan central bank assets. Ali, first of all,

1626
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it.

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01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 1: Thank you absolutely. So let's put this up there on

1628
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: the screen. This was an extraordinary decision here made by

1629
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: President Joe Biden that Biden will be spurning in demand

1630
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:37,120
Speaker 1: by the Taliban splitting seven billion dollars in frozen Afghan

1631
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: funds of the central banks assets between the victims of

1632
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: September eleven and then also to humanitarian causes. Now, as

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01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: a journalist, as an Afghan yourself, can you break this

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01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:54,719
Speaker 1: down and unders make our audience of Americans understand whose

1635
01:26:54,840 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 1: money actually was this. So this was literally the assets

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01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 1: of the Central Bank of Avonistan. So this wasn't just money,

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01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 1: this was gold, this was other valuables that they sent

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01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: to the Federal Reserve for this very reason, because they

1639
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 1: were afraid. First of all, the Avalon government of the

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01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: last twenty years, which the US supported wholeheartedly, was full

1641
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: of corruption and fraud, so there was fears that it

1642
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 1: would be stolen. There was always a fear of a

1643
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: potential Talliban takeover and how they would use that money.

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01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,240
Speaker 1: So for those reasons, the money and the assets was

1645
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 1: sent to the US Federal Reserve. Another two billion is

1646
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:36,679
Speaker 1: in other foreign banks. But this is money that belongs

1647
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: to the people of Avonistan, you know, this is money

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01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: that should be feeding the banking system and Avanistan. At

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01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: least half a billion of it is literally people's bank

1650
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: deposits that you know, federal reserves and central banks they

1651
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 1: keep this money, right, they don't all stay in the

1652
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: physical bank. At least half a billion of that is

1653
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 1: literally the savings of poor Avgon men and women, you know,

1654
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 1: who have been working and scrimping and saving over the

1655
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:07,360
Speaker 1: last twenty years. And the Biden administration's whole flawed logic

1656
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: to all of this is basically that, well, this money

1657
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 1: is a result of our foreign investment, you know, our

1658
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,680
Speaker 1: occupation made it possible. We gave for an aid we

1659
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 1: created business opportunities, so on and so forth. So for

1660
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,320
Speaker 1: that reason, it's not really the money of the people

1661
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 1: of Avlanissan, which is an incredibly unfair, short sighted, and

1662
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 1: incorrect reading of the situation, because right now, if you

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01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 1: are in Avalanistan, there is there's an enormous cash shortage,

1664
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: an enormous cash shortage to the point where if you

1665
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 1: need to get cash out right now, you can get

1666
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 1: between two and four hundred dollars a week out of

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01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 1: the bank. And when you do that, you have to

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01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,640
Speaker 1: stand outside the bank, you know, maybe for several hours

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01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,600
Speaker 1: in a day, or several days back and forth, you know,

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01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: like several days back to back. You know, I was

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01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: speaking to people who would line up outside a bank,

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01:28:58,640 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 1: say at like four am, and by noon the bank

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01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 1: would be out of money and they would have to

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01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: come back the next day. And they had been doing

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01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 1: this repeatedly for three four days at a time. And again,

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01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 1: if you're talking about two hundred to four hundred dollars

1677
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 1: a week, you have to remember that you're talking about

1678
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: people that have families of five, six, seven, eight, nine,

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01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 1: ten people living in one house. And so you know,

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01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 1: with that immediate money, what are they doing They're they're

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01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: paying their background, they're buying groceries, they're they're they're paying

1682
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: school fees, they're paying you know, mobile phone credit, all

1683
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 1: these basic sort of supplies, so that all these basic expenses,

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01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 1: so that basically within that end of that week, you're

1685
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 1: out of that money again. So you're just repeating this

1686
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,800
Speaker 1: process all over again, week after week, hoping that you

1687
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:45,479
Speaker 1: can get that. I mean, I lived above two banks,

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01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, the last place I lived in Kabul, and

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01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 1: at a certain point I had to get one thousand

1690
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 1: dollars from Western Union. Whereas in the past it would

1691
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 1: take me maybe twenty minutes, this time it took me

1692
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 1: four days because literally that you would line up outside

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01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 1: the bank, you know, downstairs, and they would say the

1694
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: money from the central bank. So the central bank would

1695
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 1: send physical cash right hasn't arrived yet. Once it arrives,

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01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 1: will start handing out the money and as soon as

1697
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:13,639
Speaker 1: it's gone, it's gone for the day. So you could

1698
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: ye tell me if this is an accurate way of

1699
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: characterizing it. Our actions here and what I would describe

1700
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:25,920
Speaker 1: as theft is basically causing a banking collapse in the

1701
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:31,680
Speaker 1: country and which is helping to fuel a devastating humanitarian

1702
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: crisis if you could, you know, first of all, is

1703
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: that the right way of thinking about it? And second

1704
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:40,360
Speaker 1: of all, talk to us about that humanitarian crisis and

1705
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 1: what day to day life looks like right now for

1706
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 1: millions of your people. So the yeah, you're right, it's

1707
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 1: essentially you know, because that comes with sanctions. So part

1708
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 1: of the sanctions is keeping that money and not letting

1709
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: it back into the bank, so that even people who

1710
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: have money are not able to take out their money

1711
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 1: right they don't have access to physical money. And then

1712
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: the other part is that aid is being cut back

1713
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,640
Speaker 1: greatly because their whole fear is, well, what if the

1714
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 1: Taliban take the aid money? What if there's corruption, what

1715
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 1: if there's fraud, which there's a very high likelihood because

1716
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 1: the former Republic was highly fraudulent and corrupt. But you know,

1717
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:19,040
Speaker 1: if that wasn't as much of an issue back then,

1718
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: why is it so much of an issue now to you?

1719
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 1: You know, you can always you've had six months to

1720
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 1: figure out other ways to get this money out there

1721
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 1: and to make sure that people have the basic necessities

1722
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,519
Speaker 1: to go on with their lives, because you know this,

1723
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 1: this is what I've been saying repeatedly, is that during

1724
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: this occupation, the economy in Avanistan was never set up

1725
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 1: in a way to be self sufficient. You know, right now,

1726
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: going back to the humanitarian issue, you know, hospitals are

1727
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 1: out of basic supplies. You know, they're out of anesthesia

1728
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: that are out of like needles, they're out of like

1729
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 1: bandaging equipment, any any kind of basic things that you need.

1730
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: They all either came from, say, like foreign aid organizations,

1731
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,280
Speaker 1: or they had to be imported in and bought, you know.

1732
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: And then you have hospitals and schools where the staff

1733
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,879
Speaker 1: aren't being paid and they're essentially just working for free

1734
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 1: until a point where they can get paid. You know,

1735
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 1: in in public institutions. In some places they're being paid

1736
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: a fraction of what they used to be paid, maybe

1737
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 1: twenty five percent, maybe thirty percent of what they used

1738
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: to be paid. So in terms of the humanitarian situation, yes,

1739
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 1: you have people who are always hungry and starving because unfortunately,

1740
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,600
Speaker 1: the system in avanistun was never set up in a

1741
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: way to take care of the poor. But now you

1742
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 1: have now it's expanded to the point where people who

1743
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: were relatively stable, who had say office jobs, who worked

1744
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 1: for the government who worked in private schools or private clinics,

1745
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: they are no longer either either of the places they

1746
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: worked have shut down because there's no more money or

1747
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: they're not getting paid what they used to get paid.

1748
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: So now even those people that live relatively comfortable lives,

1749
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,599
Speaker 1: they are also now going today day to day and wondering,

1750
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, how they will pay for themselves over the

1751
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: next few months. This is very important. Yeah, and you know, Dali,

1752
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: I believe it was you pointed out not a single

1753
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Afghan was actually involved with nine. I mean, look, there's

1754
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: a much better argument for seizing a whole lot of

1755
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabian assets. There's some right here in DC. They've

1756
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: got some nice banks and a nice embassy over there

1757
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 1: and full of gold. We could go take it tomorrow

1758
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 1: to compensate. H Yeah, go ahead. And this is what

1759
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: makes so many people in Avanistan angry is that no

1760
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 1: Avalon had anything to do with the nine to eleven attack.

1761
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: And the average person living in Avanisan in two thousand

1762
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 1: and one, you have to remember this was the first

1763
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,920
Speaker 1: time the Tileiban ruled for five years. The average person

1764
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 1: ivanis On at that time had no idea what the

1765
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 1: Taliban government was doing. They didn't know that they were

1766
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 1: harboring osamavan Laden. They didn't even know who osamaban Laden was.

1767
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: They didn't you know, they might have heard al Taida

1768
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: from the news, but there was no television, so you know,

1769
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 1: if A played on the radio, because the Teliban had

1770
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 1: banned television then but like if A played on the radio,

1771
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: maybe they might have by chance heard the Alkayla stage

1772
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: an attack somewhere. But that's about it. It's not as

1773
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,759
Speaker 1: if the average person in Avonissan actively supported Al Kayla,

1774
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 1: are actively supported and welcomed Osama bin Laden. I mean,

1775
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: to be quite honest, even the average Taliban you know,

1776
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:18,559
Speaker 1: government members and fighters in two thousand and one probably

1777
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 1: didn't even know who bin Laden was or what he

1778
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 1: was plotting. So so again, you know, you're going after

1779
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: an extremely poor nation, you know, a nation that had

1780
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 1: suffered because after nine to eleven, to drone strikes, to

1781
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: night rage, to abuses by many different foreign forces. I mean,

1782
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 1: we all remember Robert Bales in twenty thirteen, if I

1783
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 1: remember correctly, you know, he went in the middle of

1784
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 1: the night into a village in Pandad and just started

1785
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: killing civilians. So you know, Avanistan has consistently been suffering

1786
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,600
Speaker 1: since nine to eleven, even though it had nothing to

1787
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 1: do with it. And you know, some people will say, oh, well,

1788
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 1: the Taliban government allowed bin Laden to stay, but that

1789
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:01,160
Speaker 1: that's you know, a government decision, and that you know

1790
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 1: that that was a pariah state. Anyways, It's not as

1791
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 1: if the average person of Honistan cast a ballot for

1792
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: them or was necessarily accepting and welcoming of them, you know,

1793
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:13,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, think of so should should it? Should?

1794
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:18,719
Speaker 1: Should Our people in Detroit going Hungary because of Hiroshima Nagasaki, right,

1795
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 1: which which in that case the US had a direct

1796
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: hand in. But the de handen, you know, or as

1797
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:29,640
Speaker 1: if saying We're going to punish Guatemala for Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

1798
01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 1: that's what's happening right now. Ali. I know you're a journalist,

1799
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,680
Speaker 1: so you don't necessarily want to put yourself at the

1800
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,080
Speaker 1: same story. But I just wonder if you could talk

1801
01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 1: to us about how our actions in your country have

1802
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: shaped your life. So I grew up in the United States, right,

1803
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 1: So I was born in Kobol, and I grew up

1804
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: I grew up in the US. So I'm old enough

1805
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: to remember the end of the Soviet occupation. And then

1806
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 1: I went back in for the first time in twenty eleven,

1807
01:35:59,640 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 1: and I was living there until this year, from twenty

1808
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 1: thirteen on. And in my eyes, even back then, what

1809
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,640
Speaker 1: I saw was that none of these systems throughout this

1810
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,960
Speaker 1: occupation were set up to be sustainable. They were never

1811
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: set up to put Avlanistan on its feet. You know,

1812
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:23,200
Speaker 1: if we go back to sort of the ideas of corruption,

1813
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 1: you know, Biden, Biden when he was Vice President, Obama,

1814
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 1: when he was President Bush, Trump, but all of these

1815
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 1: people knew that the Avlone government was corrupt, never really

1816
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,440
Speaker 1: made them pay for anything, never really held them accountable.

1817
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:39,400
Speaker 1: And when Obama first sent the Taliban to Dohan in

1818
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, he never really forced anyone to go and

1819
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 1: sit down with them. They were secret meetings, you know,

1820
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. And then when Trump started his in

1821
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, his negotiations, he never really put real pressure

1822
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 1: on the Avlon government. He didn't include them to begin with,

1823
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: but when it got closer, he didn't put any real

1824
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 1: pressure on either side to take this peace process seriously.

1825
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: And when when Trump, when when Biden finally announced his withdrawal.

1826
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 1: It's not as if the avalon people were asking the

1827
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:13,519
Speaker 1: US to stay. They were sick of it there, they

1828
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 1: were fed up with it. But what everyone is upset

1829
01:37:16,120 --> 01:37:18,759
Speaker 1: by is that there was no conditions, there was no plan.

1830
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:21,639
Speaker 1: And you're seeing this over and over and over again.

1831
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: Look at what Biden keep saying. He's saying, oh, you know,

1832
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: you can spend one hundred years and you'll never unite Avanistan.

1833
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: He's speaking about the country in a in a very

1834
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 1: dismissive manner. And you know, if you if you look back,

1835
01:37:33,680 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 1: he told Homed Karazai that Pakistan is more important to

1836
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 1: us than Avanistan ever will be. He called part of

1837
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:41,719
Speaker 1: the Kannada Valley, which is one of the most beautiful

1838
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 1: parts of the country, hell on earth. You know, he

1839
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: he he even this. You know again, if he had

1840
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 1: like half a brain, he would say Avanistan had nothing

1841
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 1: to do with nine to eleven. You know, he's not

1842
01:37:55,400 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 1: taking his responsibility seriously. He withdrew, fine, but you have

1843
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: to withdraw properly and you have to follow up on

1844
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 1: that withdrawal. Were you sailed on both accounts? Were you

1845
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 1: surprised how quickly the government just completely collapsed? Yes, absolutely,

1846
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: because I was in June July, I was doing interviews

1847
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: like this, and all these TV stations were saying, within

1848
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 1: thirty days, couple will fall. You know, you're kidding, There's

1849
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 1: no way, you know. And what changed everything was in

1850
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 1: I think it was August thirteenth when when the city

1851
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 1: is of Haitoff and Kanda hot fell, the second and

1852
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:37,160
Speaker 1: third biggest city in the country. I knew then that

1853
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: it was over, you know. And again this is the

1854
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: other thing, is the US was there for all of this.

1855
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: They were there when districts were falling throughout the summer,

1856
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: they were there when provinces were falling from August fourth

1857
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,519
Speaker 1: to the fifteenth, and they were there from the fifteenth

1858
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,760
Speaker 1: to the thirty first, the end of the occupation. So

1859
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 1: it's not as if the Televan takeover surprised them at all.

1860
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:03,000
Speaker 1: They knew this was coming. Their own intelligence was was

1861
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,680
Speaker 1: telling everyone it's going to happen in thirty days and

1862
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:09,680
Speaker 1: sixty days and ninety days. So again, why was the

1863
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 1: immediate reaction. We're going to cut off all funding, you know,

1864
01:39:12,840 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 1: we're going to starve the people. How many people have

1865
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: already left the country And what do you see as

1866
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:23,639
Speaker 1: some of the potential follow on impacts in the surrounding region.

1867
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 1: So it's estimated that one hundred thousand people have left

1868
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:32,519
Speaker 1: so far. It's hard to know exactly how many of

1869
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:35,719
Speaker 1: them were actually all Avon, but let's say one hundred thousand.

1870
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 1: Those were among some of the most educated, some of

1871
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: the most talented people who you know, spoke multiple languages,

1872
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 1: who had academic knowledge, who had professional knowledge. They're all like,

1873
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 1: for instance, the media, right the thing I know the

1874
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: most about, the Avalon media, is essentially decimated right now.

1875
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:58,719
Speaker 1: There is very little you know, homegrown Avon media still

1876
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:02,439
Speaker 1: operating in Avanistan it moment. Even though that was like

1877
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:04,719
Speaker 1: the one thing that in the last twenty years really

1878
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 1: was something that flourished. You know. It was the first

1879
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 1: time in our history that we had a real free press.

1880
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:12,160
Speaker 1: You know, we had women's rights and things like that

1881
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: in the past, but we never had a real free

1882
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 1: press until the last twenty years. And now that's being

1883
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:21,800
Speaker 1: diminished completely. Yeah wow, yeah, yeah, I mean, Ali, it's

1884
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:24,280
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on and outlining this, you know,

1885
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,759
Speaker 1: speaking actually as an Afghan yourself and for the Afghan people.

1886
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:31,760
Speaker 1: It's something a perspective that doesn't seem to exist in

1887
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 1: our national media and look been used as ponds for

1888
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 1: twenty years. I think this is just the latest, clearest example.

1889
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 1: We thank you for joining us in for your own

1890
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: pacial bravery in this. Thank you, Yeah, keep us, Thank

1891
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 1: you to meet. Yeah, we'll have you back on it

1892
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:48,280
Speaker 1: to keep us updated. Thanks very much, Stay safe. Thank

1893
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 1: you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

1894
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 1: You know, the Rogan story, we talked about it earlier.

1895
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 1: Some people are sick of hearing about it. We're frankly

1896
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 1: sick of talking about it. But the reason why that

1897
01:40:58,240 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: we cover it and frame it in the way that

1898
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 1: we do is we see it as the attack that

1899
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:03,799
Speaker 1: it is. And you know, I was thinking this weekend

1900
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 1: a lot, and I was like, wow, like, you know,

1901
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:09,120
Speaker 1: last week was our biggest week ever for the show.

1902
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 1: It was also the week where we weren't able to

1903
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 1: just post on YouTube. We don't know why they haven't

1904
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: give us an example or a reason for why. It

1905
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:18,599
Speaker 1: was four hours that our account was basically disabled, and

1906
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: it was like in those moments, You're like, Wow, this

1907
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 1: is how much control they have over us. And this

1908
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 1: isn't just about YouTube. This is about the entire centralized system.

1909
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 1: They can disappear you in a second. So look, this

1910
01:41:29,560 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 1: is why we have the system set up the way

1911
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: that we do, with the premium subscription and all that,

1912
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 1: and I'm very thankful for it every day because you

1913
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,439
Speaker 1: can have the biggest day ever, but you can also

1914
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: be very much at their whims. I don't want to

1915
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:41,320
Speaker 1: live that way, Chris. I know you don't either, and

1916
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of you want media to

1917
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 1: act that way. So that's why we have it designed.

1918
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:47,280
Speaker 1: And we appreciate everybody who stowed up for us. Yeah,

1919
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:50,520
Speaker 1: we really really do. We love you guys. Happy Valentine's

1920
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: Day and happy birthday, Mom. Happy birthdays in my little

1921
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,600
Speaker 1: Ida Rose, they share a birthday. I was going to

1922
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 1: cive today. We love you guys so much. You guys

1923
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 1: our Valentine's really every day you come through for us.

1924
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:04,479
Speaker 1: So thank you. Have a wonderful day, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: you back here tomorrow.