Speaker 1: I had an encounter like a month ago.
Speaker 2: With one of those like, oh this this job exists.
Speaker 2: This is an interesting job.
Speaker 3: You mean with someone who has one of.
Speaker 1: The job you'd never think exists, and then you're glad
Speaker 1: it does.
Speaker 2: So we uh we had, you know, like about a
Speaker 2: week and a half of Indie saying my head really itches.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, I'm the down player.
Speaker 1: I'm like the you know, if somebody says they're sick,
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I'm sick, I'm like, oh, we.
Speaker 3: Know you were sick for three weeks, four weeks, and
Speaker 3: we just get begging you to go get checked out. No,
Speaker 3: I'm never going to do it.
Speaker 1: And Alex is the exact opposite. She's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: we're going to the doctor. You know, cancer, it's over right.
Speaker 1: So she was like, it's life, it's slice. It's like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, the kid doesn't take enough showers. Let's
Speaker 1: just take some showers and then fine, Like it's pretty obvious.
Speaker 1: It's it's not going away.
Speaker 2: He's itchy. I mean, we can't see anything, but who can,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: So we get the LCE shampoo and Alex is like,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to itch to him like, okay, everybody does
Speaker 1: the light shampoo situation. Uh, And sure enough she like
Speaker 1: picks some things out of his hair with like the
Speaker 1: little comb.
Speaker 2: Right, it's so gross to think about.
Speaker 1: So they're like so small, like in some ways, like
Speaker 1: I could tell Alex gets a little satisfaction because now
Speaker 1: she's like, how many am I going to get out
Speaker 1: of his hair?
Speaker 2: So because it's kind of like, yeah, cleaning them.
Speaker 3: Like popping lips, there's so satisfying.
Speaker 2: Gross gross gross.
Speaker 1: So then everything seems fun for another week and I
Speaker 1: was there at your house, Alex is at you, indies
Speaker 1: at you, and then sure enough, like one of his
Speaker 1: theater classes, it's like we have had an outbreak of lice.
Speaker 2: We're like, okay, it's not gone away. So there was
Speaker 2: a life lady, Yeah, a very nice lice lady.
Speaker 4: Yeah, came to our house a house yeah, like a
Speaker 4: delivery de license service. It's like getting a pizza ordered
Speaker 4: or yoga class at your house.
Speaker 2: You can do this in LA.
Speaker 5: It's so nice.
Speaker 2: Raine.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So she came and was like the coolest woman and
Speaker 1: like in two hours had like done all of our
Speaker 1: hair and everybody was fine, and she answered all our
Speaker 1: questions and by the way, I had no lice in
Speaker 1: my hair. I was I was okay, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're.
Speaker 3: Your son.
Speaker 2: Exactly. I don't cuddle.
Speaker 3: I was in my shed alone.
Speaker 2: It actually probably does mean that I was out of
Speaker 2: town while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it, so whatever point that they re
Speaker 1: got it or got it the first time. Yeah, anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so shout out to all the lice ladies and out there.
Speaker 3: My god.
Speaker 2: Literally her card was like a light lady. I was like,
Speaker 2: this is so cool.
Speaker 6: That's I was going to ask if they have they
Speaker 6: always have like a cool name, like you know, lice
Speaker 6: and easy or something like that. You know, you know something,
Speaker 6: always have something.
Speaker 2: They need you, well, they need you to come up
Speaker 2: with these.
Speaker 3: So I have a question. I know that like when
Speaker 3: you have fleas in your house and you need to
Speaker 3: now get rid of like you know, there's like the
Speaker 3: little flea bombs that you can put off in your house.
Speaker 3: Did they have to do something similar for lice or
Speaker 3: once it's because no, because it doesn't. Lice doesn't stay
Speaker 3: on bedding.
Speaker 2: It's just oh thank god. Yeah, it's not like bed bugs.
Speaker 1: It's not like scabies or like there's other stuff babies,
Speaker 1: you have to like wash everything. Yeah, no, luckily this
Speaker 1: is but you know, isn't it funny? Like I immediately
Speaker 1: was like, do we have to shave? You have to
Speaker 1: shave into his head?
Speaker 2: Like I was still in this like nineteen fifties.
Speaker 3: Yes, is that what you think?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 5: Will?
Speaker 1: What do you think because you don't have kids? Like
Speaker 1: when was the last time you heard about lice when
Speaker 1: you were a kid?
Speaker 2: And when I got it on when I was a kid? No,
Speaker 2: I got that.
Speaker 6: We had the light shampoo that they would put on
Speaker 6: that just felt like battery acid on your head. So
Speaker 6: you just kind of like screaming, Yeah, like connecticuts.
Speaker 2: It was the blood of a horse mix. Right, was
Speaker 2: it worked?
Speaker 5: It worked?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 2: That Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, so there's a lice lady.
Speaker 6: Yeah, how does Now here's my question for the backstory.
Speaker 2: How does one find this profession?
Speaker 6: Is this something that her family had done for years
Speaker 6: and she took over the family business. Is this something
Speaker 6: where she went to school for it and then was like,
Speaker 6: I want to find I'm gonna I'm lice.
Speaker 2: That's my that's my.
Speaker 3: Goal to that's you have kids of your own and
Speaker 3: you realize that.
Speaker 2: You want your surface when.
Speaker 3: When you go. There's no one who knows this, and
Speaker 3: you know what, I could you know what, people would
Speaker 3: pay a lot of money for an expert to come
Speaker 3: in and.
Speaker 2: Say, voice out there.
Speaker 1: Actors, you know, child actors with some podcast money.
Speaker 5: We want to I don't want to.
Speaker 3: To the sphere of having turns out he doesn't have any.
Speaker 3: But we had a we had a life outbreak at
Speaker 3: Adler's school as well. Adler did not get it it.
Speaker 3: It appeared as though nobody in Adler's class got it,
Speaker 3: but in surrounding classrooms, so other grades had outbreaks. And
Speaker 3: because Adler's in kindergarten and they don't spend a ton
Speaker 3: of time with the older grades, he was mostly protected.
Speaker 3: But there was a big brew haha in the kindergarten
Speaker 3: parent chat. There's a there was a house to do,
Speaker 3: a bid to do. Yeah, do you want to know
Speaker 3: about the to do?
Speaker 5: Will?
Speaker 3: Because we know my favorite thing about Will is one
Speaker 3: of my favorite I have so many favorite things, but
Speaker 3: one of them is that Will who doesn't have kids
Speaker 3: but loves the dramas. I love he loves the drama.
Speaker 2: There's always a chat drama.
Speaker 1: That's why you just don't don't chat chats chets like don't.
Speaker 3: Recently, somebody started a sentence in the parent chat that
Speaker 3: said news flash, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 5: We are down? Is that?
Speaker 1: Like Alex has been a part of several different like
Speaker 1: mom threads and you know, and I have friends who
Speaker 1: obviously are part of and there's always somebody going through
Speaker 1: a divorce who's over sharing like that just seems to
Speaker 1: be like there's always the one person who's like.
Speaker 2: Well he did it again.
Speaker 1: It's just like whoa this is about who's picking up
Speaker 1: the kids.
Speaker 2: It's just.
Speaker 3: There is a company that makes a it's like mostly
Speaker 3: essential oils, but it's a spray that's rosemary. Apparently lice
Speaker 3: hate rosemary. We did they did a bowl and of
Speaker 3: all these things, we just you know, we know like rosemary.
Speaker 2: Thanks you all for coming today. We're going to show
Speaker 2: you some different things.
Speaker 6: We want to see which ones you.
Speaker 3: Were exactly so cardial last voter and they said, we
Speaker 3: just can't hang with the rosemary. There's a company that
Speaker 3: makes the spray that's mostly essential oils and it's got
Speaker 3: rosemary in it, and you can supposedly it's really good
Speaker 3: if you spray it in your kid's hair, they won't
Speaker 3: go to your kid's head, and so.
Speaker 2: I doubt it works at all. Well, sounds like this
Speaker 2: sounds like every parent's first attempt.
Speaker 1: I don't want to use I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to have to buy it at the drug store.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be healthy. I'm gonna I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: split them with this, Rosemary.
Speaker 3: My point is, even though no one in kindergarten that
Speaker 3: we know of had it, someone said, hey, I'm going
Speaker 3: to start using this and I'm going to give it
Speaker 3: to the teachers, and what do you say? We spray
Speaker 3: it on all of them. There were thumbs down, emoji's,
Speaker 3: there were there were links, and so I just mostly
Speaker 3: stay very quiet and wait for something. But anyway, so yeah,
Speaker 3: we it's been going around the lice. It's making its rounds.
Speaker 6: Well, you should call that famous company that takes care
Speaker 6: of it, lice peel Off.
Speaker 7: They're great, They're like the best, best in town, Liceeroni.
Speaker 7: You're not going to beat that company.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Pad Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischel.
Speaker 2: Wilfred Dell.
Speaker 3: There are certain sounds that can immediately bring Boy Meets
Speaker 3: World fans a wave of nostalgia. Whether it's a perfectly
Speaker 3: pitched feenie call or a classic piece of dialogue, like
Speaker 3: they want you to take the roles. A lot of
Speaker 3: our fans can speak in code, allowing each other to
Speaker 3: know they are a part of the club. It's a
Speaker 3: cult of sorts, our own little the center. But it
Speaker 3: would be difficult to find a noise that unites Boy
Speaker 3: Meets World fans easier than this.
Speaker 5: When this Folly World.
Speaker 3: On our show, we went through a handful of theme songs,
Speaker 3: but it was the final variation, the version used for
Speaker 3: seasons five through seven, that seems to have stuck with
Speaker 3: fans the most and become the song to represent Boy
Speaker 3: Meets World most commonly. And when we started the season
Speaker 3: five rewatch, we noticed the credit the theme was performed
Speaker 3: by Phil Rosenthal and twenty cent Crush, And once we
Speaker 3: figured out this Phil Rosenthal was not the guy who
Speaker 3: created Everybody Loves Raymond and Eats in Different Countries for Netflix,
Speaker 3: it got us thinking, can we find Phil Rosenthal and
Speaker 3: twenty cent Crush? And when you have Jensen as your
Speaker 3: the answer is usually yes. And so for today's episode,
Speaker 3: we will be focused on that one part of Boy
Speaker 3: Meets World, the unforgettable final theme song, as we welcome
Speaker 3: to the podcast the former lead singer of twenty cent
Speaker 3: Crush and the voice you mimic at the top of
Speaker 3: your lungs. Yes, it's Phil Rosenthal in the moment on
Speaker 3: this road, then we go live.
Speaker 2: Is what we do with.
Speaker 5: You, guys? Crack me up? Man, Yeah a little I'm
Speaker 5: a little older now a.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you?
Speaker 5: You look the same girl.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. We are so excited to talk about you.
Speaker 3: I mean, we have to be honest, We've had some
Speaker 3: pretty unpredictable reunions here on pod Meets World, but it
Speaker 3: is going to be difficult to beat this one. Why
Speaker 3: because we didn't think we'd ever even find you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's funny. You found me through my old band
Speaker 5: in DC. Yes, okay, so I moved way before I
Speaker 5: moved to LA. That's that's really funny.
Speaker 6: Producer Jensen will Will call us to be like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I found who you're looking for through his third grade teacher,
Speaker 6: Like excuse me.
Speaker 3: So you just never know how you're going to get
Speaker 3: the call. I want to start with twenty cent Rush.
Speaker 3: Please tell us about the band and how you guys
Speaker 3: got started the band in DC.
Speaker 5: Broke up, and I moved out here and wanted to
Speaker 5: go further. I didn't want to quit. You know, they went,
Speaker 5: they went back to doing jobs and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: What was the band in DC?
Speaker 5: It was called Not That's not even producer worked. I
Speaker 5: think reached out to and Jeff Chamberlain, who's one of
Speaker 5: the greatest lyricists I've ever known. He's great. I was
Speaker 5: a bass player and backing singer in that band. And
Speaker 5: then when we broke up, so they kept ted and
Speaker 5: Jeff kept These are my best friends. We were like
Speaker 5: the Rolling Stones in DC. We had we would bring
Speaker 5: a thousand people to the like why can't I think
Speaker 5: of the club? It's closed now, But we used to
Speaker 5: do really well there, but not we never got big,
Speaker 5: never got maker, and I think that scared them a
Speaker 5: little bit because we're getting older, right. I took the
Speaker 5: drummer John Greenberg, who was amazing at Paul Flynn, who
Speaker 5: owns True to Music in Santa Monica. We came to California,
Speaker 5: I mean, and we had a band, and then I
Speaker 5: left that band. That band broke up. Twenty cent Crush
Speaker 5: came about at nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3: Five, and we when we moved to La.
Speaker 5: Yeah. When I was in La, we were on the
Speaker 5: KTLA morning show in front of millions of people usually.
Speaker 5: So you guys, you guys have had like your lives
Speaker 5: have been so incredible in what you've done. But it's
Speaker 5: like the odd things that have happened to me, you know,
Speaker 5: singing Boy Meets World at Capitol Studios and we're Sinatra, Brian,
Speaker 5: the Beach Boys, the Beatles, King Cole sang.
Speaker 3: And then the theme song for Boy.
Speaker 6: Meets World Themes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so how how did this come about? Talk
Speaker 3: to us about how you got the call to do
Speaker 3: the Boy Meets World Themes song.
Speaker 5: I think she was an associate producer for the show.
Speaker 5: My bases is ending well in Hollywood. We were playing
Speaker 5: House of Loues, we played h the Key Club, you know,
Speaker 5: all kinds of it was. It was actually called Billboard
Speaker 5: Live at the time. All this came about through Karen McCain.
Speaker 5: Is that familiar?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 3: Of course we know Karen very well.
Speaker 5: Somehow, I don't know if she was just a fan
Speaker 5: of the band or what happened, but she goes, Phil
Speaker 5: would be perfect to write the song for this, and
Speaker 5: you know, you know what happened with Friends and the
Speaker 5: Red Brands. Sure, and I missed like who could put
Speaker 5: a world with a smile? I missed the I missed
Speaker 5: the vocals of lead of songs in the shows.
Speaker 3: And so what kind of guidance did they give you
Speaker 3: about what they were looking for?
Speaker 5: Michael Jacobs? Because when I wrote the very first the
Speaker 5: lead in of that song, when This Boy Meets World,
Speaker 5: was about me, not about Ben. You know another show,
Speaker 5: you guys had a six year hit show on Friday nights,
Speaker 5: and I had the opportunity to provide something that would
Speaker 5: you know, lead it, and I was I was like, dude,
Speaker 5: you got to you know, you got to do this.
Speaker 5: I feel like there was some divine intervention. I wrote
Speaker 5: a two minute and thirty five second song, sent a
Speaker 5: cassette in when there were cassettes, which I saw and
Speaker 5: they said, okay, it was like, well walking through this
Speaker 5: labyrinth of life. And even my my Steve Burns, my
Speaker 5: manors manager and guitar player, my very good friend, said
Speaker 5: they're not going to want that. It's too labyrinth is demographic.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, they too big a word for TV.
Speaker 5: Yeah, But Twentys and Crush had a really good Ascension
Speaker 5: in La. You know, we're doing really well. Everything kind
Speaker 5: of fell into place and I got that opportunity and
Speaker 5: over a weekend I had to scale down a two
Speaker 5: thirty five song. Now, let's talk about Ray. Ray had
Speaker 5: the first two theme songs. I stole. I was stealing
Speaker 5: money out of his pocket. And I didn't even know.
Speaker 5: You know, It's like I wasn't a position. But when
Speaker 5: I went to Ray's house and I walked into his
Speaker 5: because he was a music director of the show, and
Speaker 5: he walked I walked into his garage in Studio City
Speaker 5: and there was an Aerosmith album on the wall. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he had co produced it, and it was one of
Speaker 5: my favorite albums when I was a kid. Yeah, would
Speaker 5: you would you have to do with arisonth He goes, Oh,
Speaker 5: I signed them to Columbia. I was in A and
Speaker 5: R exactly the fun the fun stuff you learn when
Speaker 5: you walk into a that has that much talent. Oh
Speaker 5: cool people. So anyway, we went upstairs and worked on
Speaker 5: this song and I said, do you like it? I
Speaker 5: knew I was stealing his.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stealing his job.
Speaker 3: Basically he was cool.
Speaker 5: I mean he was very stoic kind of guy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I really enjoyed the experience of this, So this opportunity
Speaker 5: that Michael gave me, and I mean, of course I
Speaker 5: brought something forward. Yeah, it was I get choked up.
Speaker 3: Sometimes, so it's there. It was originally a two and
Speaker 3: a half minute song that you delivered on cassette and
Speaker 3: I know, Okay.
Speaker 5: It's on Spotify.
Speaker 2: It is what's it called.
Speaker 5: It's called boy Meets World?
Speaker 2: What is it really?
Speaker 5: Yes, go listen to it or else send me.
Speaker 3: Tell us the story. So you get it from two
Speaker 3: and a half minutes, you get it down to the
Speaker 3: twenty five seconds they need. Then where do you go
Speaker 3: record it?
Speaker 5: Well, there was a session at Capital Studios, Okay, which
Speaker 5: is where everybody famous and I mean I met. I
Speaker 5: was walking around Big Big Bad Voodoo Daddy. Yeah, they were.
Speaker 5: They were recording in studios so cool. I'm like walking
Speaker 5: around their studio the dark. I didn't even turn the
Speaker 5: lights on. You know. They were in a and I
Speaker 5: was in B and ray. They were doing all the
Speaker 5: they were doing the que music. That's why they were
Speaker 5: doing all the Q music between you hey to Panga, right,
Speaker 5: do all of that stuff. And so I didn't come
Speaker 5: until late and uh, but I did. I went into
Speaker 5: the it was actually a green room. The paint, the
Speaker 5: paint on the wall, it was a material on these
Speaker 5: There were a bunch of old, old guys with horns
Speaker 5: and I'm like they were the guys who did the
Speaker 5: horns for the Judsons. Oh, oh, cool, amazing song. That's
Speaker 5: cool it was so you can tell excited. I I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: I'm really don't ever apologize the amazing. The experience was
Speaker 5: off the charts for me.
Speaker 3: Was that your first time at Capital Studios?
Speaker 5: Yes, first time? I'm not famous. You guys made me
Speaker 5: famous in a.
Speaker 3: Sense, so you get the job and then it starts
Speaker 3: airing on TV.
Speaker 5: Yes. And I saw it for the first time at
Speaker 5: a place called I had a gig at the gig
Speaker 5: in West la and I was eating at the Arsenal
Speaker 5: and it was the first time I ever saw the show.
Speaker 5: Then I got married and had a honeymoon in England
Speaker 5: and I saw it for the second time in Yorkshire. Wow. Really,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of love and emotion for you know,
Speaker 5: for me and what this was. And you know it's
Speaker 5: not like, oh it opened doors for me, absolutely posts that.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the idea. I'm a businessman too, but
Speaker 5: it was so special.
Speaker 3: So the song's airing on Boy Meets World on Friday nights.
Speaker 3: Are you as you're doing gigs around town? Are you
Speaker 3: performing the song too?
Speaker 5: No, because I got married in my first woryalty check,
Speaker 5: went to my wife's wedding ring and we had a baby,
Speaker 5: And yes, I was writing music, but I wasn't performing.
Speaker 3: Okay, you weren't performing at that time.
Speaker 5: And I have performed it in DC. I performed it
Speaker 5: out here, the long version, the short version. I've done
Speaker 5: it acoustically, you know, in a you know, coffee houses
Speaker 5: and stuff. But it's always fun to see a smile
Speaker 5: on someone's face because, of course, you guys made everybody
Speaker 5: so happy.
Speaker 3: You're so sweet. What's the funniest story you have from
Speaker 3: revealing to someone that you're the guy who sings the
Speaker 3: Boy Meets the World themes song?
Speaker 5: Having my friends come over with their daughter who had dinner.
Speaker 5: This is when we were in an apartment and we
Speaker 5: just had our first baby in Miss Hollywood, and she
Speaker 5: couldn't even look me in the eye.
Speaker 3: She was just that excited, still enamored by it.
Speaker 5: And she was young, she was only like eight or nine.
Speaker 5: It wasn't like she was a she was a young lady,
Speaker 5: but she was a girl. And I'm like, it's okay,
Speaker 5: I wrote a song insange. I mean there's a lot
Speaker 5: of those. What you're asking me, Danielle is, yeah, there's
Speaker 5: I couldn't even know. There's a bag, a full bag
Speaker 5: of that stuff happened, and that happened in my life.
Speaker 5: It still happens. It still happens. I just got off
Speaker 5: the phone with a business associate in Toronto and her
Speaker 5: name's Winki. I love that name. It's so cute. And
Speaker 5: she's like, I'm getting I got to do a podcast
Speaker 5: with you know, pod meets the World. You know, I
Speaker 5: wrote the theme, she had no idea. I don't always
Speaker 5: tell everybody. Yeah, and she's like, oh my god, so cool.
Speaker 5: It's because of you guys. Again. Later, way after I
Speaker 5: did the song is when I got to know the
Speaker 5: show Yea and how you know I had shows like
Speaker 5: that as the Brady Bunch when I was a kid.
Speaker 5: And you know, actually Robbie Wrist who was cousin Oliver
Speaker 5: who came over. He was my drummer for a long time.
Speaker 5: We're very good friends.
Speaker 3: Oh you're kidding.
Speaker 5: Coming to la. I made my way into people. Stephen
Speaker 5: Still's house and shop. He wouldn't even talk to me
Speaker 5: until I beat him in pool in his kitchen. He
Speaker 5: had a pool table in his kitchen, just all kinds
Speaker 5: of easy stuff, rock and roll, crazy stuff.
Speaker 3: So whatever happened to twenty cent Crush, Twenty.
Speaker 5: Cent Crush went through a couple iterations and I'll get
Speaker 5: you guys the last CD. I have a friend who
Speaker 5: was the last drummer who played with Brian Wilson on
Speaker 5: tour for He was stolen away from me as a
Speaker 5: drummer and deserved it. He went to Barred Music Institute
Speaker 5: and we just finished something for David Crosby. But twenty
Speaker 5: cent Crush kind of is just there and my my band,
Speaker 5: which is kind of mine. I mean, I directed it all,
Speaker 5: and that might not have been the best thing. It
Speaker 5: could have been a little more organic. I could have
Speaker 5: let them do what they want. But I had learned
Speaker 5: to do everything play a drum machine. I didn't realize
Speaker 5: until I was really fifty six years old that I'm
Speaker 5: a left handed drummer, and that's why I couldn't play
Speaker 5: the drums. Oh wow, they're all set up and right
Speaker 5: and We did well, but we didn't get the major deals,
Speaker 5: you know, and that's okay. And then I got married
Speaker 5: and I still wrote music and make money. You know,
Speaker 5: as a writer, I didn't have the voice, you know.
Speaker 5: Michael Jacobs and the president of Virgin Lenny Kravitz is
Speaker 5: one of my favorite last major rock stars I think,
Speaker 5: although many since, but they came to my record release
Speaker 5: party at the Hollywood Athletic Club. Michael came, which yeah,
Speaker 5: that's cool. Yeah, I mean there was a lot of
Speaker 5: fun and a lot of good things, but it just
Speaker 5: didn't proceed through the band as much. We had the
Speaker 5: first color posters in town. Flyers really a footcone and building,
Speaker 5: and they had like amazing printers. You know, everyone had
Speaker 5: black and white stuff. You know, we had the first
Speaker 5: color stuff around.
Speaker 3: That's so cool. Your career ended up kind of taking
Speaker 3: a significant turn toward digital marketing and entrepreneurship. How did
Speaker 3: your creative background and music influence your work in those industries?
Speaker 3: And tell us what you're up to now left, left.
Speaker 5: And right brain girl, Yeah, yeah, combination of both. I
Speaker 5: had to be a I had to learn business because
Speaker 5: I needed to take care of a family. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: put my life on hold, musical life on hold. I
Speaker 5: did some, but it became a third priority right first,
Speaker 5: which is okay. I'm not sad. I have three great children,
Speaker 5: but it's uh. You know, I've owned a few companies
Speaker 5: in digital average. I got in right at the beginning.
Speaker 5: I've had a very lucky God higher power. I've been
Speaker 5: and I'm not a super religious person. Definitely, there's been
Speaker 5: some intervention in my life that kept me going and
Speaker 5: staying on the top. And I think it's again just
Speaker 5: you just keep going. Yeah, not like I'm not a
Speaker 5: depressed person. Maybe that's why i haven't written the best
Speaker 5: lyrics of my life.
Speaker 2: I'm some sadness.
Speaker 5: I've had sadness and I have it's been pain. But
Speaker 5: I think the best is about to come, believe it
Speaker 5: or not.
Speaker 3: That's great.
Speaker 2: It's a great way to look at it.
Speaker 3: Do you notice any very specific inspiration in the Boy
Speaker 3: Meets World theme song, like anything in particular ins Yeah,
Speaker 3: like what, well, I.
Speaker 5: Think my music the stuff I was doing at the time.
Speaker 5: You know, when I was writing, I wrote the music
Speaker 5: for the band and had a record you know that
Speaker 5: was about to come out and an EP. Actually I've
Speaker 5: never released a real record and I have about a
Speaker 5: eighty songs to release. Wow, what a good marketer. I
Speaker 5: am right anyway, my friends give me about that. I
Speaker 5: think it was understanding the show watching it. I'd been
Speaker 5: written writing stuff for Disney, for and even Hannah Barbera.
Speaker 5: I'd be writing some stuff for people because that was
Speaker 5: a good way to make money besides waiting tables. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I love too. I mean I love everything. I don't
Speaker 5: you know when I go wait tables, I can't be
Speaker 5: playing in a studio, and actors and actresses that are
Speaker 5: that wait tables are like I can't wait to my
Speaker 5: next audition. I'm like, get into what you're doing at
Speaker 5: the moment. So I was just in the moment, and
Speaker 5: that's what came out. You know, remember talking to me
Speaker 5: from the stage of a.
Speaker 3: Shoot, No no, tell us the story.
Speaker 5: I came with a fraternity brother who was out here
Speaker 5: on a conference at a conference, and I said, I
Speaker 5: take them to a taping. Yeah, CBS not. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's so weird how the cross functional you know, studios are,
Speaker 5: and and more than anything besides seeing you guy, you know,
Speaker 5: it's bleachers. You got like bleachers, you got like I
Speaker 5: use the comedian and who kind of does Mitch me
Speaker 5: and Mickey Dolan's was was he an associate producer.
Speaker 3: Or he was the director? Probably that week he directed
Speaker 3: a couple of us.
Speaker 5: My song is very monkey aesque. It's extremely monkey ask
Speaker 5: if you listen to it. Yeah, I'm a huge fan
Speaker 5: of their music. His voice, especially in an incredible voice.
Speaker 5: And they weren't play their room music.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Don Kirshner just blew them out of you know, wouldn't
Speaker 5: let them play and that pissed them off.
Speaker 3: So Mickey was there, and you're in the audience.
Speaker 5: Mickey there, but my friend stood up and said, this
Speaker 5: is the guy that did the new theme song. You
Speaker 5: know my friend did that. Oh my gosh, you don't remember. Okay,
Speaker 5: of course you've had a lot of life, you know,
Speaker 5: so you don't remember. And and and then Mickey said
Speaker 5: you got to sing the song. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: at that point, I wasn't as confident in my voice
Speaker 5: without a guitar, and I didn't want to do it.
Speaker 5: And and he goes sing this song and I sang it. Actually,
Speaker 5: you said I we're not I didn't want to do it,
Speaker 5: and you said we're not going to continue tape it
Speaker 5: sorry this song.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: So I'm up there and I'm like, when this is
Speaker 5: boy meets for us and he's like, the guy's like,
Speaker 5: he didn't sing that song.
Speaker 3: Oh so funny.
Speaker 5: It's a true story, true dad.
Speaker 3: So funny. What are you up to now, Phil? Where
Speaker 3: can people find you? What can we hear? Tell us
Speaker 3: what you're up to now?
Speaker 5: Actually a lot's going on right now because I'm I'm
Speaker 5: actually about to buy a jeep and go up to
Speaker 5: Seattle and visit my twenty three year old daughter and
Speaker 5: her boyfriend, nice with them, and work because I'm you know,
Speaker 5: I've been I've made money from this screen for years.
Speaker 5: And I'm going to buy two of my guitars back
Speaker 5: that I sold and I'm going to kind of be
Speaker 5: a troubadour for a little while.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 5: I mean, you caught me in a in like a
Speaker 5: major transition of life. You you guys were everything. And
Speaker 5: you know when this boy meets real? Do you made
Speaker 5: this boy meet the world? Girl come from Sri Lanka,
Speaker 5: Auslia beware in the world. Wow, that show your show
Speaker 5: impacted So it made me somewhat of a name, you know,
Speaker 5: and people like the song. I've heard people say they
Speaker 5: hate my song some of the.
Speaker 6: Chat listen, ye, welcome, welcome to the world.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the world.
Speaker 5: I don't care. That's stuff doesn't bother me. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: know who I am at this point in life exactly.
Speaker 6: Just think about those people when you're cashing those checks
Speaker 6: from Sri Lanka.
Speaker 5: Well, they're small at this point in time.
Speaker 3: I know, we don't know, we know, we're aware, but
Speaker 3: it's okay.
Speaker 5: You guys are aware, we know, we know. Well.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for being here with us. Phil.
Speaker 3: It's really been interesting to hear the origin story of
Speaker 3: the song. It's great to see where you are now.
Speaker 3: You have some legendary stories, and thank you for coming
Speaker 3: and sharing them with us.
Speaker 5: You know, you guys helped my life a lot, and
Speaker 5: it's embarrassed. I'm glad I was there for you as
Speaker 5: much as you know Michael for me. Are you guys?
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you well.
Speaker 3: Listen for email. We want to hear, we want to hear.
Speaker 3: I'm going to look on Spotify for the original song.
Speaker 5: I'll you a link to it. It's that easy.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Thank you, Bye bye.
Speaker 6: He's that guy that, like at a party you just
Speaker 6: sit next to and he just would have story after
Speaker 6: like playing cool with Steven Stills in his head, like
Speaker 6: that kind of thing, just story after story of rock
Speaker 6: and roll stuff.
Speaker 3: It's so interesting too that I never really thought about
Speaker 3: how Ray Colecord would have felt about the idea that
Speaker 3: now they're bringing in someone from the outside to write
Speaker 3: a new theme song. And I we didn't get the
Speaker 3: answer from him, but I wonder what the answer to
Speaker 3: that question was when he said, Hey, Ray, do you
Speaker 3: like it? I wonder if I was like, no, I've
Speaker 3: got criticisms, or if he was like, you know, I
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't. I'm I'm I was.
Speaker 1: I was kind of expecting him to say that, like
Speaker 1: Michael wrote the lyric.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was gonna ask, Michael jump in that.
Speaker 1: No, it sounds like he wrote a two and a
Speaker 1: half minutes version and then they just cut it down.
Speaker 6: No, not for this song, but doesn't didn't Michael Wasn't
Speaker 6: he known for writing? Didn't he write write the theme
Speaker 6: songs as for his other shows?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I thought so, yeah so, And I think I wonder
Speaker 1: if if Michael wrote the guitar theme for his own logo,
Speaker 1: because you know, that Michael Jacobs has.
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't in that?
Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe he might have.
Speaker 2: Maybe that was Ray I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Interesting Michael musician sing Yeah.
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