Speaker 1: My name is Klay Nukleman. This is a production of
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Speaker 1: we explore. Show me your bow.
Speaker 2: We've got a Os George self bow. This one is
Speaker 2: kind of snaky, like you can see the grain on
Speaker 2: the actual stave is real snaky, and so we like
Speaker 2: for all that. Yeah, I mean it makes the bow.
Speaker 3: Look a lot cooler. It's a little character.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily the most functional, and it is really
Speaker 2: hard to make it actually work, yeah, because of the snake. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and just like in this one in particular, it's just
Speaker 2: like covered with knots and it's pretty hard.
Speaker 3: But does it.
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm working on now.
Speaker 3: It's not in progress. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So right now it's like probably sixty five pounds
Speaker 2: if you're to drop back all the way, which I
Speaker 2: haven't because I only want it to be like forty
Speaker 2: eight mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Let me see it now, this is a state you
Speaker 1: got off our property, right yep. Actually David Albright got
Speaker 1: it off our property like two years ago. Oh and
Speaker 1: then and they gave you the dryday and then gave
Speaker 1: it to me. Yep, boomerang.
Speaker 4: What percentage done?
Speaker 3: Is that bow?
Speaker 1: Probably?
Speaker 4: I'll recur percent got a little recurve on there.
Speaker 1: He put the on there, I know ends it and
Speaker 1: then he's yep. One of our guests today is my
Speaker 1: friend Joe Lyles. Joe, you're an old recurve hunter.
Speaker 5: I am. That's I started recurve hunting in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 5: Twenty seventeen, yep, and sold my compound.
Speaker 1: And you might need to pull that back from your
Speaker 1: lips just a little bit.
Speaker 5: How about right there? That's great, Okay, we're good. When
Speaker 5: did you start triad hunting twenty seventeen? Yeah, and I
Speaker 5: had a compound and started hunting with my precurve and
Speaker 5: having looked back since, yeah, and really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Have you shot a self bow?
Speaker 3: I have?
Speaker 5: I have not, not like that.
Speaker 1: I've never hunted with one.
Speaker 5: And the one I have, I've got a black widow,
Speaker 5: a forty pound black widow, and it shoots really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like it. What's the difference between a
Speaker 3: self bow and a long.
Speaker 1: Bow, Well, a self bow is it's a terrible descriptor
Speaker 1: who I want to talk to the guy that I
Speaker 1: think self bow relies on its self for strength, like
Speaker 1: one piece of wood.
Speaker 2: So like if if it's like send you backed or something,
Speaker 2: if there was not a self fifty.
Speaker 1: Different ways to name this and the components and the
Speaker 1: physics and the dynamics and the spirituality of the flight
Speaker 1: of the mystical arrow. I would not pick self to
Speaker 1: describe this. I would call it a yeah, homemade, Okay,
Speaker 1: that would be a logical description. I would call it
Speaker 1: a one piece bow, like it's just one piece of wood.
Speaker 2: They do make two piece single that would we would
Speaker 2: call that a two piece.
Speaker 3: With fries.
Speaker 1: No, this is uh, this is the the most primitive
Speaker 1: type of bow. But a self bow is one that's
Speaker 1: made from a single piece of wood, just whittled down
Speaker 1: and so like a long bow like I have over there.
Speaker 1: The modern long bows like Joe his Black Widow would
Speaker 1: be a laminated bow, so have multiple different tops of wood, fiberglass,
Speaker 1: different you know, different material in it. But this is
Speaker 1: the way that I mean the Native Americans would have
Speaker 1: made bose at one piece most of them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this doesn't have much to do with nomenclature, but
Speaker 6: it does have to do with O Sage Orange and Bear.
Speaker 6: When Bear was a little boy, words that had three
Speaker 6: plus syllables were a little bit tough for him. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean he could pronounce him fine, but he was
Speaker 6: really intentional about it pretty good. But this was one
Speaker 6: of the words. Say George was hard for him. So
Speaker 6: he would say bulldozer. He'd say bulldozer, strawberry. He would like,
Speaker 6: really put the weight on the second syllable. And George
Speaker 6: was He would say George. And I remember and every
Speaker 6: time I hear O Sage Orange, I hear it in
Speaker 6: little Bear's boys would oh say George.
Speaker 1: Always. And he's got a dog named Osage. Yeah, dog,
Speaker 1: I thought about get a dog again. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a it's a tree and feist. It's gonna be good. Well, uh,
Speaker 1: Bear eventually is going to make me a bow.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Bear Bear made a bow that he donated to the
Speaker 1: Meat Eater Audit House of Oddities auction house, and it
Speaker 1: uh sold for a thousand dollars, didn't it?
Speaker 3: I think? Yeah?
Speaker 7: And that one was straight.
Speaker 4: What percentage of that you get.
Speaker 2: I got yeah named after you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, that's cool, that's cool. I was actually
Speaker 1: going to show my bow very Uh. This is the
Speaker 1: fanciest bow I've ever seen. This is I've never owned
Speaker 1: a fancier bow with the back stabilizers, front stabilizers and
Speaker 1: then the adjustable adjustable. Sit there, Joe, I'm going on
Speaker 1: a mountain goat hunt in Alaska, and month.
Speaker 5: That's complicated anymore. I look at that stuff and then
Speaker 5: compared to just my recurve, not just it's complicated.
Speaker 1: I know it is.
Speaker 3: How much?
Speaker 5: Is it way?
Speaker 3: Four or five pounds?
Speaker 1: Oh more than that? Probably it's pretty heavy. I don't
Speaker 1: actually don't know, but I you know, I shot trad
Speaker 1: exclusively for seven years from about twenty thirteen to around
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Like that was my primary weapon. And it's
Speaker 1: funny how people in the hunting community treat that. They're
Speaker 1: like when they see it, they're like surprised that you
Speaker 1: would have a compound bow, or they're upset with you
Speaker 1: for having a compound bow. And I've always just kind
Speaker 1: of gone back and forth, don't and you know, just
Speaker 1: there's there'll be times when I want to focus on
Speaker 1: trad and then times when the focus of the hunt
Speaker 1: is more on something else like actually harvested an animal,
Speaker 1: like the limiting factor, like with a mountain goat man.
Speaker 1: All gosh, it would be very difficult. Like a short shot.
Speaker 1: It's forty fifty yards a short that's what That's what
Speaker 1: I'm told, and a lot of a lot of steep
Speaker 1: angles and different things. So the reason I have all
Speaker 1: this is I'm going to, you know, trying to extend
Speaker 1: my effective range by cheating.
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I would be too.
Speaker 4: So what what do you feel comfortable shooting that bout?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: I can, I can. I can shoot a group at
Speaker 1: seventy yards. You know, my best group out of three
Speaker 1: groups is going to be about six inches at seventy
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. And I'm shooting pretty heavy arrow cut
Speaker 1: on impact broadhead. I mean, I don't want to shoot
Speaker 1: a one that far. But in that game, you that's
Speaker 1: just kind of the.
Speaker 3: Game wind up there too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but but I have a secret weapon. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't talk about it.
Speaker 3: Odds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brent, you've been You've been commercial fishing.
Speaker 3: That's all I do.
Speaker 1: Man, you're a commercial fisherman. Yeah, have you have you
Speaker 1: caught some fish lately. I actually have yeah, been going good.
Speaker 8: One a couple of weeks ago. One catfish.
Speaker 4: Yeah, are they all catfish or you get other stuff
Speaker 4: mixed in there, cropping and stuff, you know, you just
Speaker 4: they're piled up.
Speaker 3: We just throw them up on the bank. No, I'm kidding.
Speaker 8: We hadn't caught one sport fish, one game fish. You
Speaker 8: know what I mean, catfish these nets. Catfish is classified
Speaker 8: as a sport fish, and you know commercial fish, rough fish.
Speaker 8: But we yeah, we've caught a few buffalo. We caught
Speaker 8: a big old drum. I put a hoop net out. Man,
Speaker 8: it's four foot hoop net. You could catch that bear,
Speaker 8: but stepped behind Joe in it. I caught one buffalo
Speaker 8: at one drum in it. That's all we've caught so far.
Speaker 8: So the hoop net thing is kind of escaping us.
Speaker 1: But oh, now, what kind of nets are.
Speaker 3: You using to use? Wire nets? Wire nets?
Speaker 1: Putting some kind of in there.
Speaker 3: Yep, cheese cheese block.
Speaker 8: It's like a the size of a block of velvety
Speaker 8: cheese and it's cheese and fish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, four fish.
Speaker 8: We cut and knock them in half and put them
Speaker 8: in there inside the throat of the of the fiddler net,
Speaker 8: and then the fish went up in there and go
Speaker 8: to chomping, and then we'd catch them.
Speaker 1: But the hoop but the hoop nets a little tougher.
Speaker 1: Hoop nets just catching fish like in current just kind of.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's tougher for folks that don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 9: We're just learning. Yeah, do you bait those two?
Speaker 3: You can? But but we hadn't been.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm surprised to hear that fish are not dairy free.
Speaker 3: They're not dairy free.
Speaker 7: I'm surprised cheese cheese could be.
Speaker 3: I don't even. I don't.
Speaker 4: Well, they nurse off their mothers when they're young, so
Speaker 4: probably that's.
Speaker 3: Probably what it is. That makes zero sense. Who invited him?
Speaker 1: Josh, you caught a big brown trout yesterday around the
Speaker 1: room here catching up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, one out late.
Speaker 1: How big was that fish?
Speaker 3: You look big?
Speaker 4: It was probably eighteen nineteen inches.
Speaker 1: When Brent saw it, he said, would you say, look
Speaker 1: at that stick of butter?
Speaker 3: Big stick, a big stick of butter. Beautiful beautiful fish.
Speaker 4: Beautiful night out on the cool river and the heat,
Speaker 4: and it's like nature's air conditioned.
Speaker 1: It was a good night it was good.
Speaker 4: It was funny because I was fishing with a buddy
Speaker 4: of mine and we fish for probably close to two
Speaker 4: hours and caught like one fish each.
Speaker 3: After dark, well no, no, this is before dark.
Speaker 4: We started fishing about five thirty and uh Man had
Speaker 4: just been trying to hone my guide skills and prospecting
Speaker 4: on different flies, and went through probably a dozen different
Speaker 4: flies and finally found the light switch and in the
Speaker 4: last hour and a half we probably caught twenty fish.
Speaker 4: And you done that big brown one, And yeah, not yet,
Speaker 4: I've got You've got another buddy. I don't know that
Speaker 4: there's a time of year, but you I think you
Speaker 4: can do it pretty much all year round, but I
Speaker 4: think it's better in the fall and winter. Okay, but
Speaker 4: I've got a buddy who's been tying up a bunch
Speaker 4: of mouse patterns, and we'll go out and night mice
Speaker 4: at night, you know, stripping the stripping a mouse. That's
Speaker 4: where you catch the big predatory browns. Really really yeah,
Speaker 4: they'll they'll eat.
Speaker 1: I guess a lot of mouse would just cross the river.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's not far.
Speaker 8: There's a there's a film that was shot in New Zealand.
Speaker 8: Uh once in a blue moon or something. I can't
Speaker 8: remember the exact name of it, but you could see
Speaker 8: it on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Was it that film that the that the yet he
Speaker 4: did I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't think so. This is they may have, but
Speaker 8: but I don't think so. They may have done one.
Speaker 8: But the one I saw was like in New Zealand,
Speaker 8: and it's very I don't even know if there's any words,
Speaker 8: and it's just starts out of this guy's in this
Speaker 8: cabin and he sets his camera down, this little mouse
Speaker 8: run up on the counter. I mean, you set the
Speaker 8: stage of what's going on in the area. Personally, I
Speaker 8: would have lit a railroad flare and dropped it in
Speaker 8: the bedroom and walked out of there because I don't no.
Speaker 8: And but then he starts. You see these humongous brown
Speaker 8: trout eating these mice, and when the moon's full, really
Speaker 8: and it's just pandemonium. Man, it's really cool, really really
Speaker 8: cool shot. How the lot of slow motion stuff, it's
Speaker 8: really cool.
Speaker 4: One When a mature brown trout reaches eighteen inches, its
Speaker 4: diet switches from primarily bugs and you know, small crustaceans
Speaker 4: in the water to other fish and a and a
Speaker 4: mature brown trout will eat another trout up to two
Speaker 4: thirds of.
Speaker 3: Its body length. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. So there. Wow.
Speaker 4: They become serious predators when.
Speaker 3: They get that big.
Speaker 1: Wow. So if you want to go fishing with Josh,
Speaker 1: you're a god god here in our the beavertail water
Speaker 1: in Northwest.
Speaker 4: As Josh Lambert Spilmaker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but y'all can talk about that on your own podcast.
Speaker 1: We don't talk about fly fishing. Just kidding, just kidding,
Speaker 1: just that, y'all. Little fly is a big fly fisherman,
Speaker 1: brent on.
Speaker 3: The heck of a fly?
Speaker 1: Is he really?
Speaker 4: He is a natural like he has a natural instinct.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's his hair?
Speaker 4: Probably? Yes, probably I want to cut a lock of
Speaker 4: it and tie a big streamer out of it.
Speaker 1: Fishoeish.
Speaker 5: No, And that's what I was telling Josh. You know,
Speaker 5: Je just.
Speaker 4: Moved that out just a little bit more.
Speaker 5: A little bit more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and no.
Speaker 5: I used to a little bit with Dwayne Hayden. Dwayne
Speaker 5: Hayda was my art teacher back in nineteen eighty five
Speaker 5: at Mean High School.
Speaker 1: Now is he the famous fly fisherman you were talking about?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 5: And he was my art teacher and we used to
Speaker 5: actually go down to Albert Pike and fly fish a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 5: But since then, no, you know, I haven't fished anymore
Speaker 5: since then as far as fly fishing, Yeah, and I
Speaker 5: don't fish much at all anymore.
Speaker 3: I used to a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but like I was talking to you about motorcycles
Speaker 5: and stuff like that, I got to riding a little
Speaker 5: bit of motocross and since then, you know, no, I
Speaker 5: hadn't hardly fished all mainly just hon Yeah, you.
Speaker 8: Talked about tying flies out of bears hair. Those two
Speaker 8: flies up there, I tad out of Saskatchewan bear hair.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: If you come in here and one of those is missing,
Speaker 4: it wasn't me.
Speaker 6: Okay, We've got some specialty. Tim the squirrel dog hair
Speaker 6: flies bears experiment.
Speaker 2: He made flies out of my own hair, flies out
Speaker 2: of pieces of turkey beard tim hair.
Speaker 1: Mule hair, really mule hair. Yeah, you you start talking
Speaker 1: to me before you start pulling hairs out of my mules.
Speaker 4: Where did you get the turkey beard?
Speaker 1: Turkey?
Speaker 3: He didn't. Did you kill a turkey last year? Yeah? Sorry?
Speaker 3: The Mississippi one?
Speaker 1: Or I killed two. I killed one Tennessee one Mississippi.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brent called them both in for.
Speaker 3: Me off the phone.
Speaker 1: Uh what else, mule? I think that's all that I can. Well,
Speaker 1: and then all the normal stuff that you would use,
Speaker 1: like pheasant tails, Yeah, yeah, all the normal stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is kind of cool to you stuff that,
Speaker 2: like you've killed Oh and I have I made some
Speaker 2: out of my blonde Montana bear.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but yeah, and then turkey feathers and just
Speaker 1: have you.
Speaker 4: Caught fish on these flies?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Caught one on a klouser out of my hair?
Speaker 7: How does Tim? How does Tim? Here?
Speaker 9: And do?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 1: Does pretty good?
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the the like whiskers on a crawdad,
Speaker 2: not like the antennas, but like right at the mouth,
Speaker 2: you know, just tie like a little Are.
Speaker 4: You plucking these hairs out of your dough?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 8: I up?
Speaker 1: And he just kind of stands there and you just
Speaker 1: nip them.
Speaker 3: Got a bald spot? Well, we have a couple of corkies.
Speaker 3: So if you hair, yeah, we got it. I got
Speaker 3: a lot of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so I've kind of gone around the room here.
Speaker 1: Tell us about your garden, Miss nukem.
Speaker 7: Oh hell nice?
Speaker 6: Well, I got sweet corn out of it this week,
Speaker 6: which is pretty exciting. Yeah, I think we're gonna have
Speaker 6: a big year for tomatoes. I've heard it's not great
Speaker 6: everywhere else, but it looks like it's a big year
Speaker 6: for us. I've had two really great strawberry we love.
Speaker 1: I like kind of like suddenly like taking the knees
Speaker 1: out of other recreational farmers.
Speaker 7: I have a big goal this year.
Speaker 6: I really want and I've wanted this for the last
Speaker 6: couple of years, but each year I've run into a problem.
Speaker 6: I really really really want a big pumpkin, like one
Speaker 6: of those.
Speaker 7: I mean, you have to devote your life to it
Speaker 7: if you want a competition.
Speaker 1: That you use Seven's nests.
Speaker 7: We have really bad squash bucks here, and yeah, really bad.
Speaker 6: And I keep thinking I can get around it in
Speaker 6: natural ways and I can't. And my friend Jessica went
Speaker 6: to the farmer's market and she just kind of assumed
Speaker 6: that everyone there was like organic farming. And she asked
Speaker 6: the woman and the woman was not a she didn't
Speaker 6: really understand what Jessco was saying. She wasn't a native
Speaker 6: English speaker, and she looked at Jessica and she just
Speaker 6: said seven seven.
Speaker 7: She finally started to figure out what she said, and
Speaker 7: Jessica's like, oh, gone, it sevens does maybe for maybe
Speaker 7: for pumpkins. I don't know. I'm starting to waiver, you know, mine.
Speaker 4: I noticed my fidelity apple trees are.
Speaker 7: Like, they're incredible.
Speaker 1: That's incredible, apple incredible.
Speaker 7: And we had a real early spring, and this is
Speaker 7: not interesting to most people. So this is a bad
Speaker 7: deal that Clay asked me this question, because I could.
Speaker 1: Go on and on, big Farmer.
Speaker 7: But we had a real early spring.
Speaker 6: And usually when you have an early spring, the apple
Speaker 6: apple blossoms pop out and then you have a frost
Speaker 6: and they all die.
Speaker 7: And this year they didn't. So I think we're gonna
Speaker 7: have apples in July.
Speaker 1: I really make an apple butter in augustocause I'm out
Speaker 1: apple butter.
Speaker 3: What I'm out?
Speaker 7: Out of the good stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, you're out. I thought you were. You didn't want it.
Speaker 4: I'm out uneven.
Speaker 1: I met a guy yesterday, Willard Blinds in Newton County,
Speaker 1: that still makes his own sorghum molasses. He grows a
Speaker 1: big patch of sorghum and has a meal that he
Speaker 1: runs with mules ye oh my god, and makes there
Speaker 1: was a.
Speaker 8: Guy down the road from where we lived that you'd
Speaker 8: go by and he'd have a mule out there going
Speaker 8: around in that sorgum meal. Oh really Yeah, he sitt
Speaker 8: there in a bucket and every time that comes by,
Speaker 8: he'd lean over it go by.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the.
Speaker 8: Big pole he had that he had the mule look
Speaker 8: to going around in circles.
Speaker 4: I don't know that I could identify sorghum if I
Speaker 4: saw it.
Speaker 6: And it grows everywhere in my compost ben now because
Speaker 6: I got rid of some of it, and the seeds
Speaker 6: are pretty.
Speaker 4: By a patch the other day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's hard to tell. It's it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to tell the difference between young corn and
Speaker 1: so on. But it's it's it's the same kind of plant,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a taller plant with big wide
Speaker 1: blades like grass, you know. But yeah, I want one day.
Speaker 4: Reminds me of Lambert's Home of the Throwed Roll.
Speaker 1: You guys, ever, it's a lot of fun. Yep, yep,
Speaker 1: well man, this uh, this podcast was a was a
Speaker 1: good one. We went.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The reason Joe's here is that Joe's retired for service
Speaker 1: law enforcement agent. How many years had you worked for
Speaker 1: the for Service.
Speaker 5: I worked for the Forest Service for a little over
Speaker 5: twenty two years, twenty two years in patrol.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 1: Several years ago when I did the Louis Dell and
Speaker 1: Charlie Edwards series Genuine Outlaws, which is to this day
Speaker 1: one of my favorite series that we've done, truly was there.
Speaker 1: We got to the second episode and I think it
Speaker 1: happened pretty quick because we had to go real quick Joe.
Speaker 1: But Joe called me, or I called Joe, and he said, Hey,
Speaker 1: I know the guy that worked Louis Deale Edwards undercover.
Speaker 1: I know him. He's retired, he's in Tennessee. And I
Speaker 1: was just like, really, because all these guys had talked
Speaker 1: about it was it was. It was just so interesting
Speaker 1: from a journalistic standpoint because I'm talking to lou Dell
Speaker 1: and Charlie had passed away. They weren't a live at
Speaker 1: the time, but I'm interviewing their family and friends and
Speaker 1: Andy Brown and all these different people, and they all
Speaker 1: told stories of Louis deal believing that he had entertained
Speaker 1: an undercover wildlife officer, and but it was never nothing
Speaker 1: ever came of it, Like they didn't they didn't get him,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, but they told the story just
Speaker 1: as if it was one hundred percent true, like they
Speaker 1: knew who he was. But but still I think over
Speaker 1: the years it solidified more into certainty. Probably at the
Speaker 1: time they were kind of like, I think that may
Speaker 1: have been a undercovered Is that the kind of the
Speaker 1: way you do you think that? Do you think Charlie
Speaker 1: or Loudell really knew Russ was an undercover agent at
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 5: At the time, no, I really don't. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 5: especially talking to Russ after the fact.
Speaker 1: No, right, so at the time I think I think it.
Speaker 1: It kind of came out later and then it solidified
Speaker 1: a little bit more into like that he did know,
Speaker 1: but he probably didn't. Well, so Joe goes, I know
Speaker 1: this guy, and I contact him, and me and Joe
Speaker 1: jumping the truck and drive to Cleveland, Tennessee, well not
Speaker 1: quite to Cleveland, but drove to Tennessee and met Russ
Speaker 1: Arthur and then and he told the story of working
Speaker 1: Loudelle and Charlie Edwards and well primarily Louis Dell, and
Speaker 1: it was fascinating. I mean, if you hadn't listened to
Speaker 1: those episodes, you should turn this off, Turn this off.
Speaker 3: Back to those episodes.
Speaker 1: We're back to lou Dell and Charlie that that was
Speaker 1: one of one of my favorite episodes. And so Russ
Speaker 1: while we were there, Joe, he told I don't know
Speaker 1: if you remember, but he told us the story of
Speaker 1: getting run over. But it real brief. It was just
Speaker 1: kind of like after the fact. And he told me
Speaker 1: the story of getting run over and basically a really
Speaker 1: abbreviated version. But I was like, man, that is a
Speaker 1: wild story. And I knew that at some point I
Speaker 1: was going to go back and talk to Russ and uh.
Speaker 1: And then he told me another wild story that I
Speaker 1: can't tell you because it's the next episode, but I'm
Speaker 1: telling you it's as good, it's as good or better
Speaker 1: than this one. And but now, did you did you
Speaker 1: work with did you know Russ pretty well when he
Speaker 1: was in Arkansas?
Speaker 5: No, when he was in Arkansas, I was too young
Speaker 5: at that time, okay, And when I started my fort
Speaker 5: service career, Russ was already in management. He was in
Speaker 5: a supervisory special agent at that time. But we had
Speaker 5: lots of interaction together, you know, through he was our
Speaker 5: fitness coordinator, so you know, I contacted him all the time.
Speaker 5: We always had in service together, so I seen him
Speaker 5: a lot during that time. But growing up as a kid,
Speaker 5: you know, in later teenage years and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: I heard these same stories that you've heard too, and
Speaker 5: not till I got to know Russ and talk to
Speaker 5: him and actually get the stories in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what's so cool about him?
Speaker 3: Is he?
Speaker 1: Well he told two Turkey stories too. But Russ can't
Speaker 1: tell the story without talking about his dad. You know,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. You know, you could tell just
Speaker 1: how much he appreciated his dad and how influential his
Speaker 1: dad was. But uh, this podcast kind of started off
Speaker 1: and ended with his dad, you know, uh, just just
Speaker 1: the history of his connection to the land and stuff.
Speaker 1: What what'd y'all think of it? What'd you think of
Speaker 1: the story? Mister you you wouldn't have known anything. Misty
Speaker 1: came in completely cold. She just knew I was talking
Speaker 1: to Russ.
Speaker 3: Arthur.
Speaker 6: Well, I remember the Rainbow people coming to Mina, you remember, remember,
Speaker 6: And I remember being excited and my brothers and I
Speaker 6: most definitely got my brother's car and we were like,
Speaker 6: let's go check this out.
Speaker 1: Do you have to work them?
Speaker 5: I worked for the Sheriff's department at the time. And oh,
Speaker 5: I remember it well. I had a brusheet down by
Speaker 5: James's house. A lot of them stayed during that time.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was quite the adventure.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: And we did a bunch of them come.
Speaker 5: Not not like a regional or a national gathering, but
Speaker 5: there was a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was. There really was.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this Rainbow people were still active. That's
Speaker 1: probably the thing that people have most contacted me about
Speaker 1: is talking about their interactions with the with the Rainbow.
Speaker 4: People and and a like positive or negative light, just
Speaker 4: just like in general.
Speaker 1: Russ said it, well, I mean it may not have
Speaker 1: been like can we make fun of hippies or is
Speaker 1: that not okay? Like politically correctness?
Speaker 3: Of course you can, okay.
Speaker 1: Russ was like. Russ was like it was kind of
Speaker 1: a freak show. That's the way every single interaction I've
Speaker 1: had about the Rainbow People has been people people messaging
Speaker 1: and being like, man, it was weird.
Speaker 4: We had one one guy.
Speaker 1: One guy wrote me, Oh my gosh, I gotta read this.
Speaker 1: I won't read his name. I don't want to embarrass him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta hear this. Uh, this guy. Uh, this guy,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this guy is an officer now, uh,
Speaker 1: he said, he said, funny. The Rainbow People came up
Speaker 1: in the latest episode. When I was four or five,
Speaker 1: my parents followed the movement and would go to gatherings
Speaker 1: in such and such state. I vaguely remember the naked people,
Speaker 1: drug use and other things. Fast forward in two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight and I was assigned to work. He's an
Speaker 1: agent now, And he said, I was assigned to work
Speaker 1: on this WMA where they were, and so he worked
Speaker 1: them and anyway, we had a fun funny little deal there,
Speaker 1: I said. Anyway, I called his parents hippies and he
Speaker 1: laughed and he said, yeah, they were. So anyway, that's
Speaker 1: the kind of messages I've been getting. Well, I just
Speaker 1: I'm endeared to him. I love hippies.
Speaker 6: It just was kind of funny because there's something I mean,
Speaker 6: it's not it's a you know, Clay's life goals, Swiss family, Robinson, Like,
Speaker 6: that's what Clay's life goals was. He wanted to have
Speaker 6: that kind of lifestyle family.
Speaker 1: Are you sure that's the right one.
Speaker 7: Well, you're right, I'm sorry, not Swiss family. You were
Speaker 7: Swiss family. He was wilderness family. Yeah, and he wanted
Speaker 7: like Pat Raccoon.
Speaker 1: So sorry, I was like, my whole life flashed before. Man.
Speaker 3: I was like, I wanted to.
Speaker 7: Be what I wasn't even in it anyway.
Speaker 6: And there's there's a fine line between hillbilly and hippie.
Speaker 6: I think it's like a very I think it's a
Speaker 6: very fine line. So anyway, point being I was, I
Speaker 6: was just trying to figure out why this mean squirrel
Speaker 6: hunter was hanging out with the Rainbow people, Like, why
Speaker 6: was he at that checkpoint?
Speaker 1: He was going to just see him, just see the
Speaker 1: check them out. Okay, that's the way I understood. It
Speaker 1: may not have been real clear.
Speaker 3: That's what it sounded like.
Speaker 4: Rainbow People were Usually you would go animals, that's what
Speaker 4: he was.
Speaker 1: Well, when Russ first started telling the story, it was
Speaker 1: he spent more time than is on the episode talking
Speaker 1: about the Rainbow People, and I thought it was going
Speaker 1: to be them that tried to kill him because I
Speaker 1: knew where the story was going. I knew that he
Speaker 1: got run over, but I really didn't know exactly who
Speaker 1: did it. And so when it wasn't them, and then
Speaker 1: you know, they were gathering to pray for World Peace.
Speaker 8: Yeah, which I saw him wild into Mark Twain National
Speaker 8: Forest one times. Me and Buddy Man was up there turkey.
Speaker 8: He killed a turkey and we cleaned it and the
Speaker 8: remnants of it we chunked in the dumpster. Next afternoon
Speaker 8: we'd go by there. There's a guy cooking what's the
Speaker 8: left of that turkey beside the dumpster?
Speaker 1: Really? Oh yeah, like gizzards and bone had a hole
Speaker 1: in a big pot.
Speaker 3: Was bald, it was balling.
Speaker 1: He was hungry.
Speaker 3: He was hungry. We stopped and gave him a sandwich.
Speaker 1: Are you sure this was a rainbow person or a
Speaker 1: homeless person?
Speaker 3: No rainbow man. It was everywhere kind of big heart
Speaker 3: for the hippies sandwich.
Speaker 1: I think that maybe the rainbow movement kind of makes
Speaker 1: its own gravy, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like like if you if you went and asked a
Speaker 2: bunch of people like are you a member of the
Speaker 2: the Rainbow Living of Light group?
Speaker 1: I mean they would be like no, And then then
Speaker 1: you might be ask those same people have you ever
Speaker 1: been to a Rainbow Living of Light meeting? They would
Speaker 1: be like, I mean some persons would be like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we went up there just to kind of see what
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 3: All I know when they lift it was trash everywhere.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I heard that. I heard that from a
Speaker 1: couple of my comments.
Speaker 5: Now, they met here on the Ozarks in about three
Speaker 5: or four. They had a gathering here, and I don't
Speaker 5: think they like coming to Arkansas too. Me one time
Speaker 5: during the summertime, you know, ticks, chiggers, a lot of humidity. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and the Arkansas law enforcement it is not on their side.
Speaker 1: Really, so I was afraid I generalized them. I actually
Speaker 1: didn't research too much. I was just going off what
Speaker 1: Russ said that they typically want to protest. Is that
Speaker 1: what you understood.
Speaker 5: They did not like behind their permit. Okay, yeah, a
Speaker 5: large group gathering, you know, and you know how they
Speaker 5: are now, you know, I've been out of it so long.
Speaker 5: My last gathering that I went to was and.
Speaker 3: We can get into a lot of stories, so.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's better to just listen than talk. I was
Speaker 5: in Okalla, Florida, and this would have been gosh, two
Speaker 5: thousand and three, and it was a regional gathering. Because
Speaker 5: I remember there was a few oranges left on the tree.
Speaker 1: So it now, why were you working down there?
Speaker 5: That was It was a detail just way were sent
Speaker 5: We were detailed there, yes, and that was a regional
Speaker 5: gathering and for the Force Service law enforcement part of it,
Speaker 5: you know, it's pretty intense at times because they're not
Speaker 5: friends with the for Service law enforcement and you see
Speaker 5: a lot, you interact with them a lot, and there's
Speaker 5: a lot of good people there and then there's some
Speaker 5: that they don't want to see you at all. Lots
Speaker 5: of drug use, doctors, lawyers, really, oh yeah, people from
Speaker 5: all walks of life, all kinds. Yeah, been to a
Speaker 5: few of them as far as but that was my
Speaker 5: last right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was your last Rainbow gather, you know.
Speaker 5: And wise no, that was my last, you know it
Speaker 5: just there are some things I couldn't take and that
Speaker 5: was one of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you never got past. I asked you what
Speaker 1: you thought about the episode.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, and it's really hard not to like
Speaker 6: Russ Arthur. Like just he's kind of like good guy
Speaker 6: as salt of the earth. Just as you listen to him.
Speaker 6: I think he probably gives a very great, a wonderful
Speaker 6: reputation to if every law enforcement officer you met was
Speaker 6: like Russ Arthur.
Speaker 7: He just seems very respectful, very even.
Speaker 6: Respectful of I thought the way he described the rainbow
Speaker 6: people and kind of gave a little bit about there,
Speaker 6: I just I just liked them, and I thought this
Speaker 6: the story was cool, and I thought it was. I
Speaker 6: enjoyed hearing them talking about him going to college to
Speaker 6: become a law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Officer a while service for service and.
Speaker 7: His dad's response to that, and I enjoyed the heard.
Speaker 1: Somebody else chuckle at that was that funny? Misty was.
Speaker 1: I was watching Misty while she listened to ites In
Speaker 1: and I was I just happened to catch it kind
Speaker 1: of chuckle a little bit, and I went over and like, hey,
Speaker 1: what did you laugh at? She was like, I don't
Speaker 1: even know. I wondered what it was.
Speaker 7: I actually think it might have been that part, because.
Speaker 1: That's what that's what high level podcasters do is they
Speaker 1: put people in glass booths and have them listen to
Speaker 1: the podcast, and then we watch. We watched their internet.
Speaker 1: They're like WinCE or fall asleep or laugh or punch
Speaker 1: the glass and oh oh, and you're taking notes.
Speaker 6: It's difficult to be married to a high level podcaster
Speaker 6: who's doing that kind of stuff, you know, like just
Speaker 6: watching your every move and taking off your ears.
Speaker 1: You do you do that exact same thing.
Speaker 8: She'll she'll in that sentence at it's hard to be
Speaker 8: married to Brent period. Nothing to do with podcast, that's
Speaker 8: where there.
Speaker 3: I feel like you could do.
Speaker 1: That, okay, But to me, the story just was layered
Speaker 1: with twist and turns. I mean, isn't that what you said? Bear?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just like it was like a movie,
Speaker 2: you know, like they were just every single time you'd
Speaker 2: think that the story was.
Speaker 1: Like over, like like this is this is it?
Speaker 2: This is Yeah, it was the story his bosses would
Speaker 2: come out of the woods with shotguns.
Speaker 1: Some guy like some guy.
Speaker 2: Came and told him that he knew where the guys
Speaker 2: were and that he'd like, you know, kind of negotiate
Speaker 2: and get him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then whenever they found the you know, marijuana farm out
Speaker 2: there and he didn't recognize anybody, and then like right
Speaker 2: at the end, the guy, the squirrel hunter walks out.
Speaker 1: It was just like it was there were so many
Speaker 1: twists and turns. Yeah. Yeah, you know, Russ is uh.
Speaker 1: I've heard him tell a lot of stories. He this
Speaker 1: is what I think. I think that was an exceptional story.
Speaker 1: Number one, but number two I think that he pays
Speaker 1: attention to detail and is an exceptional storyteller too.
Speaker 4: I mean, really, he's a great storyteller.
Speaker 8: He well, he knew it was his job to pay
Speaker 8: attention to detail and tell the story because he is
Speaker 8: the witness to what's going on, and he's got to
Speaker 8: convey what happened there.
Speaker 4: Ji will tell you that was before body.
Speaker 8: Down on a piece of paper, and then he's got
Speaker 8: to present it to folks that had no zero, have
Speaker 8: zero knowledge about anything or anyone that's going on, and
Speaker 8: he's got to convince them this is what happened, this
Speaker 8: is what they were doing. So yeah, of course the
Speaker 8: detail is the big thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what'd you think about it?
Speaker 3: Brent? Oh, it's good man.
Speaker 8: It was just I mean I could see it coming progressing,
Speaker 8: you know, because somebody made the statement maybe and you
Speaker 8: it may have been Russ himself. Some folks are just mean,
Speaker 8: you know, and they don't and they don't think about things,
Speaker 8: and going to prison or going to jail or the
Speaker 8: repercussions of something is immaterial to what the message or
Speaker 8: that they're trying to send or the the act that
Speaker 8: they're trying to do. They don't care about that. There's
Speaker 8: no they're not worried about anything. They're not worried about
Speaker 8: how's it gonna look on my resume, you know, because
Speaker 8: that's not that's not their deal. Where they're big in
Speaker 8: their community, that might look good on there, give them
Speaker 8: some street cred or whatever you call it. They don't
Speaker 8: think about what's going to happen the day after. And
Speaker 8: then when when you do, when they act impulsively or
Speaker 8: they premeditate something and do it, then whatever repercussions they
Speaker 8: receive from it, it wasn't their fault. That guy made
Speaker 8: me mad, he made me do this, it's his fault.
Speaker 8: And they get madder, you know. They just have a
Speaker 8: warped way of looking at.
Speaker 1: Did that surprise you the way? No, See, that's what
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 3: It didn't surprise Joe. It wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1: What type of crazy person would do that?
Speaker 8: Well, I don't know that they're crazy. They're just they
Speaker 8: have a different value system. And then they don't have
Speaker 8: to be raised in a poor They don't have to
Speaker 8: be raised in a poor place to be there. They
Speaker 8: can be from the the nicest part of town, the
Speaker 8: most successful parents. It's just whatever, how they perceive their
Speaker 8: perception and reality of their perception of right and wrong.
Speaker 8: You can you can teach. I mean, my parents and
Speaker 8: grandparents were just as poor as you could get, but
Speaker 8: their value system was, you know, impeccable.
Speaker 3: Money.
Speaker 8: Hadn't didn't have anything to do with it, They're raising,
Speaker 8: didn't have anything to do with it. Once they were
Speaker 8: shown something they could see, Ah, this is the way
Speaker 8: to go. This is the way to do, This is
Speaker 8: the way to operate. This is the way to be
Speaker 8: a productive member of my community and be a good person.
Speaker 8: And some folks is like, I do what I want. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm not a sap. I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 8: I'm not going to you know, I'm I don't have
Speaker 8: to respect you, but you got to respect me or
Speaker 8: you'll pay the consequences.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: You know, So do you, Joe? When you heard that story,
Speaker 1: do you think those guys were on drugs or.
Speaker 5: Without a doubt and just just all out criminals. You know,
Speaker 5: probably have been career criminals since they were young.
Speaker 1: And specifically I'm talking about when they ran over Russ
Speaker 1: Arthur because there's a there's a I was thinking about
Speaker 1: it because Russ didn't know and he didn't really speculate.
Speaker 1: I asked him one time, I said, we're they on drugs?
Speaker 1: And his answer was, well, we'll never know because we
Speaker 1: didn't catch them till three days later. But they were
Speaker 1: going through a DUI checkpoint and there's one way out,
Speaker 1: I mean, so they had to go through this checkpoint.
Speaker 1: And so if they were aneebriated, they know they're about
Speaker 1: to get caught.
Speaker 3: Yeah, odds are yes.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And during that time, you know, Russ grew up
Speaker 5: in the marijuana cultivation. That was a lot of his career.
Speaker 5: Things have really progressed now to where it's methamphetamines. And
Speaker 5: that's what a lot of my career was is meth
Speaker 5: labs still the marijuana cultivation, but what they're seeing now,
Speaker 5: the officers is fentanyl, right know. It's it's eating this
Speaker 5: country up, it really is. My middle daughter is she's
Speaker 5: an r N just over here in Oklahoma and she
Speaker 5: deals a lot with seeing a lot of fen in
Speaker 5: the lower doses and it's right here. And and going
Speaker 5: back a lot of what Brent says, a lot of
Speaker 5: people just don't like the law enforcement.
Speaker 8: They don't they don't respect, you know, it's they have
Speaker 8: a h authority.
Speaker 3: This ain't there? Yeah, ain't there deal? You know? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 5: Talking about the body cans and that's that's a game
Speaker 5: changer right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And when I first got a body can, oh, I
Speaker 5: hated the thing. You know, you were scared to say
Speaker 5: anything because you did you didn't want to well, you
Speaker 5: knew all this is going to be in core. But
Speaker 5: then after you wear that thing for a while, you
Speaker 5: get used to it, and then you wouldn't work without.
Speaker 1: It really.
Speaker 3: For you?
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, I got to where I would not
Speaker 5: work without it. Yeah, because when they realize it's on
Speaker 5: BODYCM games over then.
Speaker 1: Really do you think it influences the way people react
Speaker 1: to you? Oh?
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I would set mine on you know, there's different
Speaker 5: settings on them. I would set mine on vibrate and
Speaker 5: where it had an audible tone to where they knew
Speaker 5: they knew they were being videoed.
Speaker 3: Because all that.
Speaker 5: You would see a lot of times that people break
Speaker 5: out their cell phones and you know, I just tell them,
Speaker 5: you know, well, hey, I'm recording it too, Yeah and
Speaker 5: they know, Yeah, did.
Speaker 1: You have people pull out a cell thinking you're going
Speaker 1: to be there there, You're going to unjustly treat them
Speaker 1: in some way.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you see that all the time.
Speaker 1: Especially. I guess that kind of bothers you when that happens, though, right.
Speaker 5: Not when you're recording it to just Yeah, you get
Speaker 5: used to it. It's just like anything else. But it
Speaker 5: gets to the point where you would not work without it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And I would not be a law enforcement officer in
Speaker 5: today's time without a body cam. Yeah, and I don't
Speaker 5: see how they did. Yeah, because you're not going to
Speaker 5: go out there. It makes you a better officer, Yeah,
Speaker 5: it does. Just accountability absolutely, and my last few years
Speaker 5: as a field training officer, and that will also make
Speaker 5: you a better officer. When you've got someone else in
Speaker 5: there that you're trying to get them into some type
Speaker 5: of case or something.
Speaker 3: It just it makes you a better officer. Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1: To go back to what you're saying about how the
Speaker 1: enforcement has shifted because the drug, the actual drug has shifted.
Speaker 1: Like back in the eighties nineties, Yeah, growing marijuana was
Speaker 1: the thing, and I was talking today I almost felt
Speaker 1: the need to explain that, especially for maybe younger listeners.
Speaker 1: I mean, like you can't drive ten miles down the
Speaker 1: road in a lot of states without seeing a marijuana store.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dispense it.
Speaker 1: I mean so but back in the day, so, I
Speaker 1: mean you were like desensitized to this idea of marijuana
Speaker 1: being like a hard illegal drug used by you know
Speaker 1: and sold by you know, criminals it. But back in
Speaker 1: those days it was very much so that. I mean,
Speaker 1: like marijuana was like the drug and it was and
Speaker 1: it was being grown. I guess it probably shifted some
Speaker 1: from being grown off the forest and then to grow
Speaker 1: houses and stuff. Is it would that be.
Speaker 5: On private land? We would see a lot of it
Speaker 5: on private land. Yeah, And it's talking about that. I
Speaker 5: spent a lot of my career in the summertime, you know,
Speaker 5: flyding helicopters, you know, looking for cultivation. And I know
Speaker 5: it's never worth a darn at it, but some of
Speaker 5: our guys that I flew.
Speaker 3: With, they were really good at it.
Speaker 5: You know, they could spot a single plant, really just
Speaker 5: a single plant once it's.
Speaker 3: A different color. It's just it's a different cola.
Speaker 1: You've done it too, huh.
Speaker 8: Oh.
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's a beautiful planet, it really is. And you
Speaker 5: get the sunlight, you know, high on you know, bright day,
Speaker 5: it just stands out, you know, it does.
Speaker 1: Are people still growing marijuana and national forests. I mean,
Speaker 1: I know you can't answer that, but it's not it's
Speaker 1: not like that's the thing anymore, am I.
Speaker 5: Right, Oh, they're growing it in their backyard. The laws
Speaker 5: have gotten so liberal. Why drive once spend the money?
Speaker 5: They're just growing.
Speaker 3: I can think about it.
Speaker 8: You know, when it got cheaper to bring it in
Speaker 8: from Mexico than it did to take the risk of
Speaker 8: growing it.
Speaker 5: Just like math Afet means, you know, once the pseudo
Speaker 5: law has changed, you know, the meth, you know, it
Speaker 5: just all comes out of the super labs in Mexico.
Speaker 5: You know, it's ninety nine percent pure math.
Speaker 1: You know Russ's story in a way, it was kind
Speaker 1: of dated because I mean, like setting up surveillance on
Speaker 1: a huge patch of marijuana fifteen hundred plants and national
Speaker 1: forests and guys coming in. You know, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my I guess my question is does that happen?
Speaker 5: I guess like that, Yeah, not anymore. You know, they'll
Speaker 5: set it all up, you know, cameras, SMO cameras, sell cameras. Yeah,
Speaker 5: well it's all done remote.
Speaker 8: We used to have a camera that we would use
Speaker 8: and I can talk about it now because the technology
Speaker 8: is so outdated. But it looked like a log remember
Speaker 8: those log cameras, Joe, And it looked like a log man.
Speaker 8: And it took a battery. He had to go and
Speaker 8: dig a hole and put a car battery in it.
Speaker 3: We would carry a car battery.
Speaker 8: Yep, we put it in there. And you're having to
Speaker 8: cover up wires and make this thing look natural, and
Speaker 8: it's It was absolutely like dealing with Adam Bomb.
Speaker 1: It was just you probably thought it was high level technology.
Speaker 3: It was high level technology at that time. It was.
Speaker 3: It was as much it was as high as it gets.
Speaker 3: I mean it was Is.
Speaker 1: That why you put that log in my front yard?
Speaker 3: Don't don't worry about that. It's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: It looks like I've found this nice logo good right
Speaker 1: here in front of your door.
Speaker 8: But yeah, but that that was the kind of stuff
Speaker 8: you had to deal with. And now that technology is
Speaker 8: so it's antiquated past a million miles by just a
Speaker 8: regular cell camera.
Speaker 3: Because this thing was like trying to hide that saddle. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was this bigger round about that long.
Speaker 1: Huge Wow, did you do a lot of marijuana?
Speaker 3: Lot?
Speaker 1: Like when Russ is telling that story.
Speaker 6: You's a lot of sentences that could be taken out
Speaker 6: of context.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 7: Did you do a lot of marijuana?
Speaker 1: A lot?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I went to several schools. I was a certified spotter,
Speaker 8: aerial spotter.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 1: Were you good at spotting it?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Were you good?
Speaker 8: It's let me tell you what it is. You get
Speaker 8: to looking for shapes. You're flying along and you're looking
Speaker 8: at God's random order of plants and animals and objects.
Speaker 8: Then all of a sudden, there's a neat little square
Speaker 8: down there. And then when we figured when they figured out,
Speaker 8: you know, the square being the plants all planted in
Speaker 8: a row. So so then like, ah, we gotta we
Speaker 8: got to break this up. We got to make it
Speaker 8: do this random. I don't care how much you try.
Speaker 8: A human cannot plant something without being something symmetrical. It
Speaker 8: just cannot replicate Nature's random interesting And it was always
Speaker 8: that and the color was the easiest thing to.
Speaker 1: Find that is interesting.
Speaker 5: Or the trails leading out from the trails, yea, the garden.
Speaker 5: Everything else is dead, but that's not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, wild We pulled.
Speaker 8: We had the record for a while. It was broken
Speaker 8: later a couple of years later, we pulled seventeen thousand,
Speaker 8: seven hundred and fifty six plants in one day.
Speaker 4: Seventeen thousand.
Speaker 8: You pulled them, Yeah, in Bradley County, in South Bradley County.
Speaker 3: It was on timber company land. Wow, that's a lot
Speaker 3: of work. Yeah, it's not fun.
Speaker 8: That's what the guys in the helicopter which I was
Speaker 8: that day, and it's it's smoking hot, man, I mean
Speaker 8: it is humid, and they and the ground crew is
Speaker 8: going out. We're directing them in by radio, you know, forward, left, right, whatever,
Speaker 8: and they get in there. I remember when this one time,
Speaker 8: this guy they get into the patch and one guy.
Speaker 3: Breaks in there.
Speaker 8: He comes out of the thicket and all of a sudden,
Speaker 8: he's standing and you see him, he's looking around all
Speaker 8: this marijuana. All of a sudden he just starts doing
Speaker 8: He's swinging his arms and kicking and junking and bucking
Speaker 8: and doing all this kind of stuff. And the other
Speaker 8: guy in helicopter says, man, he's it's a yellow jacket swarm.
Speaker 8: He's got nowhere to go. So the helicopter pilots just
Speaker 8: go down and they, I mean they are blowing air
Speaker 8: all over the stuff and knock the yellow jackets off
Speaker 8: of him enough where they can get out. But it
Speaker 8: was like he was doing a karate demonstration.
Speaker 1: And uh, and the chopper pilot had to wear with
Speaker 1: all the bee like, yeah, one blow those yellow jackets.
Speaker 8: Another another of the spotters said, that's yellow jackets and
Speaker 8: they just lowered that huey right down over the top
Speaker 8: of it and blew the yellow jackets off.
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 3: And he was getting it up.
Speaker 6: So what kind of and you can you can get
Speaker 6: this off your podcast if you don't want this intel
Speaker 6: going out? But what kind of conditions do you need
Speaker 6: for marijuana?
Speaker 1: It's a weed, a gardener.
Speaker 7: Well, I'm just trying to think.
Speaker 6: If it's in the National forest, is it it grows fine?
Speaker 7: Under tree came.
Speaker 3: It's a weed. It needs to grow it or to
Speaker 3: spot it to grow it. To grow it, you can
Speaker 3: do it. You need water and a soul.
Speaker 7: But it doesn't need It.
Speaker 1: Needs sunlight, sunlight and the open and it can grow.
Speaker 6: It just grows in the warm temperatures, just like it's
Speaker 6: frost intolerant.
Speaker 3: Probably, Yeah, Arkansas is greatly.
Speaker 4: Can you not smell a patch that big?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You can fly right, you can fly You can smell
Speaker 3: it from a helicopter.
Speaker 5: You can smell it absolutely, and you know, interviewing some
Speaker 5: of the people that were really long time cultivators, they
Speaker 5: wanted it to frost on it and you know, we'd
Speaker 5: see those plants and the buds would be you know,
Speaker 5: like that, and they'd be just late on the ground.
Speaker 5: And that's what a lot of them wanted that last
Speaker 5: frost it. And then that's when the harvested. And there's
Speaker 5: nothing more frustrating when you had all your equipment set up,
Speaker 5: they harvested it and something went wrong with your equipment, yeah,
Speaker 5: and missed them.
Speaker 1: We didn't get any documentation of it.
Speaker 5: No, Yeah, And you may want to cut this one out,
Speaker 5: but we worked the case in.
Speaker 3: Oklahoma for ten I bet I won't.
Speaker 5: We worked it for ten years before the people that
Speaker 5: started you know, working it before me. And we worked
Speaker 5: this case for ten years and we let them have it,
Speaker 5: you know, during that length of time, because during that
Speaker 5: length time, you're not gonna make you know, we're talking
Speaker 5: you know, several hundred plants up to a thousand plants,
Speaker 5: but that's not going to make any difference to people,
Speaker 5: you know, so we'd let them have it.
Speaker 1: Do you mean to make any difference in the court.
Speaker 5: Oh, well that and you're not going to make any
Speaker 5: difference in the amount of marijuana out on the streets.
Speaker 5: We wanted to catch them, you, we weren't in the
Speaker 5: We were in the business to catch them. So we'd
Speaker 5: let them have it and then they get a little
Speaker 5: bit more comfortable. We worked this case for ten years.
Speaker 5: In the let me think early February of twenty twelve,
Speaker 5: we knew this guy would come in and he would
Speaker 5: he would start his plots and he would come in
Speaker 5: and get everything ready in the night, even during that
Speaker 5: time of the year. So he'd ride a horse. That's
Speaker 5: where how he tended all of his stuff. So we
Speaker 5: went in in February and set our cameras and just
Speaker 5: to get him prepping the sights, got all of our
Speaker 5: stuff set up. And now we came back probably two
Speaker 5: or three weeks later, and walking into that plot, I'm like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh. And because I'd set my camera up
Speaker 5: and like part of years, I buried part of it.
Speaker 5: And he came in at night and he took a
Speaker 5: chainsaw and he cut that tree down and well it
Speaker 5: was a big bush and my camera was just right.
Speaker 1: He cut the tree down that the camera was on.
Speaker 5: Absolutely it was a bigger, tight bush. But he came
Speaker 5: in and cut it down. And if it would have
Speaker 5: been during the daylight, he had has seen everything.
Speaker 7: Oh wow.
Speaker 5: And but he came in at night on a horse
Speaker 5: and we didn't know what it was. So we worked
Speaker 5: that all summer long and then August. And why we
Speaker 5: left this equipment on that one patch, I don't know,
Speaker 5: because it already burned up. He came in the daytime,
Speaker 5: he had a veil on, he had a mask on,
Speaker 5: just a handkerchief, he got hot. We just don't know.
Speaker 5: But just the day before I'd service that equipment, so
Speaker 5: I knew it was good. He got in there messing
Speaker 5: around and he got hot, and he pulled it down,
Speaker 5: wiped his face with it, put it all back up,
Speaker 5: and we had him ten years later, really ten years.
Speaker 1: And so you had all this evidence of him growing, grown,
Speaker 1: grow and grow and grow and growing, and then finally
Speaker 1: you got a picture of the guy ten years later. Now,
Speaker 1: how were you able to all the evidence you'd gathered
Speaker 1: all those ten years, even though without photo evidence of
Speaker 1: it being him? Were you able to push that on him?
Speaker 5: We were for the previous year because he had rode
Speaker 5: a horse in We knew enough about the case that
Speaker 5: we were able to prove it all and link it
Speaker 5: all together.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: And we actually, you know, the smallest pieces of evidence.
Speaker 5: We picked up a little piece of a tarp that
Speaker 5: was in the patch because he would he would pile
Speaker 5: it all on this tarp, and he ripped off part
Speaker 5: of this little blue tarp. I'll never forget that. And
Speaker 5: that was actually at his house, the tarp that all
Speaker 5: the marijuand was still laying on.
Speaker 1: And you were like wow.
Speaker 5: And that was twenty twelve. He since deceased and spent
Speaker 5: a lot of time in prison. But when we served
Speaker 5: that warrant, we never told anyone where we were going,
Speaker 5: not the sheriff's department, nothing till the morning that we
Speaker 5: were headed to his.
Speaker 1: House because he didn't want to leak out with the.
Speaker 5: Even when the law enforcement, the Forest Service kept it
Speaker 5: so hush hush that we never told him where we
Speaker 5: were going to we were on our way. And you
Speaker 5: have problems with that in the past. Yeah, with leaks,
Speaker 5: you just didn't know there had been so much and
Speaker 5: we knew how violent this person could be. And I
Speaker 5: can remember my captain at the time, you know, when
Speaker 5: he was he loved to be the first one. And
Speaker 5: you know he had a lock gate, you know with
Speaker 5: those with our patrol vs.
Speaker 3: He rammed it.
Speaker 5: There was no there wasn't time to get out unlocked
Speaker 5: gates because it could the potential could go south through
Speaker 5: bad really and we had the entry team, the Sheriff's
Speaker 5: department had an entry team. When they approached the house.
Speaker 5: You know, he's got a glock laying right there by
Speaker 5: the bed, and we knew there was a window there
Speaker 5: where he slept, and that's where you know, the first
Speaker 5: guy went out.
Speaker 1: There too, through the window.
Speaker 5: No, just right there at it, you know, because then
Speaker 5: the entry team made, you know, entry into the house.
Speaker 5: But he had a gun, you know, laying right there
Speaker 5: on the nightstand.
Speaker 3: He was caught. Oh he's caught. Yeah, there was no
Speaker 3: way out of that. Wow.
Speaker 5: And wow, lots of good cases like that, but oh
Speaker 5: there are tons of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll bet so interesting.
Speaker 6: Uh, I just think about the adrenaline and the I mean,
Speaker 6: you have to have a special personality to be able
Speaker 6: to our chemical makeup, even to be able to work
Speaker 6: undercover the lion for a good cause. Like, I think
Speaker 6: about what that would do to your psychology.
Speaker 1: Well, now there was no undercover, official.
Speaker 7: Undercover, but I was just thinking like how hard it
Speaker 7: would be.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 6: I was thinking about the case with with Louis Dill
Speaker 6: and Charlie and with ras and just the challenges that
Speaker 6: that would that would present to do that I don't know,
Speaker 6: and just to hear in that story. Just thinking about
Speaker 6: the just the I don't know, that's kind of mess
Speaker 6: you up a little bit. I mean, you seem to
Speaker 6: be really healthy and stable.
Speaker 9: Just the stress psychological.
Speaker 6: It just like you've got to have some type of
Speaker 6: special composition to be able to do that. And out
Speaker 6: of that it would be hard to go, like to
Speaker 6: your kids baseball game afterwards. That's what I think is, like,
Speaker 6: how could you go from that to like your kids
Speaker 6: baseball game?
Speaker 3: You missed a lot of them?
Speaker 5: Did you missed a lot? And you compartmentalize a lot? Okay,
Speaker 5: And these jobs which you know he can also talk about.
Speaker 5: You see lots of violence, yeah, tons of death, and
Speaker 5: you compartmentalize it. You just you don't go there because
Speaker 5: your mind will your mind will go there if you
Speaker 5: at it, but think about something else.
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Speaker 6: Do your do your like do your organizations provide that
Speaker 6: kind of support and training for how to do that.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is that part of it for sure?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it seems like that would be super important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does very much.
Speaker 1: So, Josh watch stood out to you. It was your
Speaker 1: favorite part. You were there for the whole Josh was
Speaker 1: with me when.
Speaker 4: I was at the rest his house. You know, he
Speaker 4: told so many great stories. But that story of you
Speaker 4: know that we've affectionately titled runt Over. I think here
Speaker 4: in that story it's almost unbelievable. And the I think
Speaker 4: the thing that really got me in that was when
Speaker 4: he got in the ambulance and recognized the guy that
Speaker 4: he had in federal court, and he's telling is, don't
Speaker 4: leave me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He never said if the guy left.
Speaker 1: Him or not, though well he said he said he
Speaker 1: stayed with him.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: I felt like he stayed with him.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: But I think Russ just even in how he wrote
Speaker 4: the guy ticket, He's like I wrote it for the.
Speaker 3: Least, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I appreciated the fact that in all the time we
Speaker 4: heard Russ talk that there was that there was never
Speaker 4: a sense of compromising standards, but at the same time,
Speaker 4: there was a compassionate aspect of who he was as
Speaker 4: a law enforcement officer.
Speaker 3: And I have.
Speaker 4: Tremendous respect for that. When I when I've interacted to
Speaker 4: law enforcement, you know, there's there's been I've had good
Speaker 4: experiences and I've had bad experiences. And the good experiences
Speaker 4: that I can recall are when when I see someone
Speaker 4: hold a standard at that yet be kind and compassionate
Speaker 4: in there. And I really appreciated that about Russ.
Speaker 1: So what bad experiences have you had, Josh, i'se handcuffs.
Speaker 3: Are too tight?
Speaker 1: Yeh, very interested here.
Speaker 5: I've actually had them say that these are not my paint.
Speaker 5: Off the checkpoint, pull some dope out of a pocket, Well,
Speaker 5: these aren't my paints.
Speaker 1: I remember coming through a check point on Forest Service
Speaker 1: one time where you were there. Do you remember that
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that later.
Speaker 1: I was baiting bears and at that time I didn't
Speaker 1: know you that well. I mean, we we, but I
Speaker 1: know I just remember coming just coming around the corner
Speaker 1: National Force and there's a bunch of trucks and the
Speaker 1: UH roadblock and I thought about busting through it.
Speaker 4: What was happening, Joe?
Speaker 5: That was just a regular compliance checkpoint, is what that
Speaker 5: one was.
Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of people in the
Speaker 1: forest at.
Speaker 5: That Yes, and since when Russ was talking about it,
Speaker 5: they can probably call them roadblocks whatever they want. We
Speaker 5: had to write them up as a compliance checkpoint. There
Speaker 5: was only certain things you could ask for driver's license
Speaker 5: and insurance and that was that was it.
Speaker 3: That was it.
Speaker 5: But with just those two questions, you just you can
Speaker 5: see so.
Speaker 1: Much well, I mean, just like somebody doesn't have insurance,
Speaker 1: I mean, turn does it lead?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 5: Like usually when we pull that vehicle over, you know,
Speaker 5: if they don't have one of those, you pull on
Speaker 5: over here.
Speaker 1: And then at that point you can ask them more.
Speaker 5: You can start asking more, but that's your first initial questions.
Speaker 5: It has to be stated on there what you're going
Speaker 5: to ask for, the exact location of the of the checkpoint.
Speaker 5: You know, it's very systematic what you've got to ask for,
Speaker 5: and we'll just leave it at that. But once you
Speaker 5: pull that the what.
Speaker 3: You can see.
Speaker 8: We had one one time, this lady pulls up in
Speaker 8: the station wagon and she's mad at the world, and
Speaker 8: I said, I just need to see your license and
Speaker 8: registration please, And boy, she's hot.
Speaker 3: She's mad.
Speaker 8: She's cussing me and cussing everybody else for being there
Speaker 8: and being in her way. She's in a hurry, her
Speaker 8: and her husband and fighting, and she's leaving him. I said, wow,
Speaker 8: I said, let me just let me check your tags
Speaker 8: on the back of the car and I'll be right back.
Speaker 8: Then you can get on your way. And she's still
Speaker 8: cussing me like the dog that I am. And as
Speaker 8: I'm walking back to the back to check her license,
Speaker 8: I just shined my light in the back and there's
Speaker 8: like eighteen marijuana plants still in the in the pot,
Speaker 8: just laying across all her clothes on the top. Wake
Speaker 8: up there now, she said, giving my license, I'm leaving.
Speaker 8: I said, we got a few more things to talk about.
Speaker 8: I said, is everything in this car you're She said, yeah,
Speaker 8: except for the marijuana plan are exactly do you think?
Speaker 1: I mean? She knew they were back there?
Speaker 8: What made her she was mad? She was she mad
Speaker 8: they were his, they were they left, and she's was
Speaker 8: going to be spiteful and she had him in the
Speaker 8: back but she was. She Her demeanor went from yes,
Speaker 8: everything's in this car is mine realizing and she said,
Speaker 8: except for the marijuana place my husband.
Speaker 3: So wow, too bad he ain't in the car.
Speaker 7: How were you able to verify that they were his?
Speaker 3: You said, no, I'm sure they were his, but she
Speaker 3: was in possession. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Wow, you see all sorts of stuff. Yeah, because story
Speaker 5: on that. We were We're in Muddy Creek and we
Speaker 5: had to check point, same situation, rolls through and you
Speaker 5: could just smell it, you know, that car ended up
Speaker 5: having seventeen pounds in it the best, Oh my god,
Speaker 5: a lot of a lot of marijuana. And but you
Speaker 5: just see and like I'm telling you the one where
Speaker 5: he said, these ain't my pants. You know, you could
Speaker 5: smell it rolling out, you know, get it out of
Speaker 5: his front pocket. The best I remember. And he said, man,
Speaker 5: whatever you do, don't call my grandfather. First thing, Well,
Speaker 5: what's his phone numbers? You know that's the first person
Speaker 5: you call.
Speaker 1: Don't call my grandfather.
Speaker 3: That's that, he said.
Speaker 5: He said, he'll beat me to death last the first
Speaker 5: person we called. And he was not happy when he
Speaker 5: got there.
Speaker 4: Wow, So Brent, you'll like this if my daughter's probably
Speaker 4: gonna kill me. But my youngest daughter, she's been driving
Speaker 4: for a couple of years. She's eighteen, and she's Both
Speaker 4: my daughters tend to have a little bit of a
Speaker 4: lead foot, and my youngest daughter's never been pulled over,
Speaker 4: so she's never had an interaction with that. Well, she's
Speaker 4: on the interstate coming out here the other day and
Speaker 4: gets pulled over, right, you know, about a mile before
Speaker 4: the speed limit switches from from sixty five to seventy five,
Speaker 4: and she thinks she's in the seventy five, so she's
Speaker 4: driving eighty and she gets pulled over. And this is
Speaker 4: the two lane divided interstate. She sees she's in the
Speaker 4: left lane. She sees the blue lights and blue lights
Speaker 4: behind her, and where does she decide to pull over?
Speaker 3: In the median? In the meeting.
Speaker 4: So he gets out and he walks up to her,
Speaker 4: and he says, he says, can I see your license?
Speaker 4: She gives him a license.
Speaker 9: She says, says, who's your and we we have insurance coming,
Speaker 9: We have our our insurance on our phone. And he says,
Speaker 9: who's your insurance provider? And she goes, my dad, that's good, Yeah,
Speaker 9: that's a good so much you do.
Speaker 1: That's funny. That's funny, Isaac. Did you like the podcast? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's paid to say Caraman always say that.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna repeat everything you're saying. Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead. In the words of Isaac Neil, the disparity
Speaker 1: of the guy who runs him over members and the
Speaker 1: two family members, right thing, the dad who said I'll
Speaker 1: go get him, and then the relative and the relative
Speaker 1: who called him up happen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, to be fair, the dad said I'll go get
Speaker 6: him at our illegal hunting site.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, as long as you guys don't shoot him.
Speaker 1: You know, I should have asked Russ. It made it
Speaker 1: sound like it was an illegal camp in the Great
Speaker 1: Smoking Mountain National Park.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way I.
Speaker 1: Mean, he said, in the Smokies. And and for it
Speaker 1: to be an illegal hunting camp, I mean, if it's
Speaker 1: a national force, they could have a hunting camp. I mean,
Speaker 1: assuming it wasn't like some like permanent structure or something like,
Speaker 1: they could have a camp way back there. But apparently
Speaker 1: it was in.
Speaker 3: The park, and he did right where it was at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the dad knew where it was at. Coincidence, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were so many parts of this that could have
Speaker 1: been in a movie. You know. Yeah, I was, I
Speaker 1: was flashing back. I think a lot of my young
Speaker 1: youngest like I was like a little fledgling chick. It
Speaker 1: was just really imprinted by Sylvester Stallone in the But
Speaker 1: when Stallone, it's a little different with Russ and Stallone.
Speaker 1: But when when Rambo was in prison and there was
Speaker 1: only one man for the job and his old boss,
Speaker 1: Colonel Troutman, calls him, gets him out of prison to
Speaker 1: go do the job, the recon job and in Vietnam.
Speaker 1: So when Russ moves back to Tennessee and he gets
Speaker 1: a call from his old boss that needs him back,
Speaker 1: I can hear the music. Russ was not in prison,
Speaker 1: I could, I could, I could see the movie.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Russ's back, just mad in his own business, just back
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. I don't want anything to do with those
Speaker 1: guys over Robin Corn. Yeah, platting corn, plowing with a
Speaker 1: mule and uh. And then he has to go back
Speaker 1: and bust these guys.
Speaker 6: Y'all think that Clay's just doing this to be entertaining,
Speaker 6: but in reality, just the day to day, no routines
Speaker 6: of our life. I will bring up Rambow quotes. When
Speaker 6: River was about six years old and lost her first tooth.
Speaker 6: We were pulling it. She's tearing up, and he said,
Speaker 6: Rainbow was taught to ignore pain.
Speaker 3: Bear.
Speaker 1: Was that a little bit of a tenant of your upbringing?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it wasn't that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was like a saying that was like
Speaker 2: constantly going through my mind.
Speaker 1: You didn't know that came from a movie, did you?
Speaker 2: Well not until you know. I got old enough and
Speaker 2: then you showed me all the rainbow. Rambo was his
Speaker 2: uncle he'd never met, was still in prison for chucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's pretty helpful. I would advise parents to
Speaker 1: teach their kids that Rainbow was taught to ignore pain,
Speaker 1: not acknowledge and bow to it. I mean, there's certain
Speaker 1: things that they need to be intended to, but most
Speaker 1: of them can be ignored. Am I right? Bear? Yep?
Speaker 1: Is that the way you're gonna teach your kids? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's good, good, good good? No, it was I really
Speaker 1: like these just kind of monologue stories. It's just like
Speaker 1: one person telling the story. You know, it's kind of.
Speaker 4: I'm excited for the next one. It's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The next one's already gave, you know, some foreshadowing that
Speaker 1: it's an illegal elk hunt in Yellowstone. I mean I gave,
Speaker 1: I told quite a bit.
Speaker 6: Actually, have you ever referenced that one outside of because
Speaker 6: for some reason, I feel.
Speaker 7: Like you've told me about it before.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, Well it's gonna be good. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be good. What else, guys, Brent, what's going on with
Speaker 1: this country life?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 8: All good stuff we're talking about. Let's see help me
Speaker 8: do the Matthew this one comes out, we'll be talking
Speaker 8: about heroes. Heroes after this one comes out, and Rambo's
Speaker 8: not in it, I should maybe I do that a
Speaker 8: part too, just about Rambo.
Speaker 7: Just a single episode devoted.
Speaker 8: But we're having It's fun, you know, this is a
Speaker 8: I like to talk about the stuff that I'm doing.
Speaker 8: And right now I'm trying to hunt the shade and
Speaker 8: stay cool. But we're we got some good topics coming up.
Speaker 8: I think good thy folks. Folks are enjoying it, get
Speaker 8: lots of good feedback, getting lots of good stories, people
Speaker 8: sending stories in good We've got a project. Karen and
Speaker 8: Reeve and I are going to be working on. It's
Speaker 8: later on. It's going to be good, I think with
Speaker 8: the stories that folks are sending in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good, good. Well, I've got two sales pitches
Speaker 1: that I'm excited about. Meat Eater Experiences. Is this deal
Speaker 1: where people can book a trip and go with some
Speaker 1: of us on the team. Me and Brent are gonna
Speaker 1: be in Venice, Louisiana in October October tenth through sixteenth
Speaker 1: or something right like that. Yeah, we're gonna be down
Speaker 1: on the coast of Vennics, Louisiana red fishing and people
Speaker 1: can come. I mean it's not I'm not going to
Speaker 1: tell you it's cheap, you know, which is unfortunate to
Speaker 1: be nice if it was like two hundred dollars, it's not.
Speaker 1: But uh, but people can book and it's it's like
Speaker 1: booking a guided four day something fishing trip. I'm going
Speaker 1: to lodging, food, everything. But but we'll be there so
Speaker 1: and there's other and you're also doing the Kansas waterfowl deal.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if I think it's called foul planes that's being in.
Speaker 8: I'll be up there in January and duck cuttings should
Speaker 8: be phenomenal during that time. It's a great place. I'm
Speaker 8: looking forward to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. Uh.
Speaker 1: Second sales pitch is for my pants.
Speaker 4: But you weren't expecting that you can buy his exactly
Speaker 4: these pants and send them down.
Speaker 1: This is first lights new three or eight pants. Nobody
Speaker 1: told me to do this, but I literally wear these
Speaker 1: every day or a mule riding yesterday. I got them
Speaker 1: on today. I just kind of clean them up a
Speaker 1: little bit. But they're like they're I mean, they're a
Speaker 1: hunting pant. You can hunt in them, but I wear
Speaker 1: them to church. You can hunt a dress, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't advise it.
Speaker 3: Had bad experience.
Speaker 1: My bare hund fell off. But no, they just they
Speaker 1: just dropped these. They call them three to eight three
Speaker 1: o eight being the rifle caliber you get it? Did
Speaker 1: you get that when you first saw I didn't.
Speaker 7: I did not. I can say I did not get that.
Speaker 3: Eight.
Speaker 1: I think that's the caliber. Uh didn't James Lawrence use
Speaker 1: a three?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is that what he is? That what he used?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got one. It's a lever action the best
Speaker 5: I remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a pop. I think that was a
Speaker 1: popular caliber back in the day when he was.
Speaker 3: It still is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, run it suppressed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well good breches.
Speaker 1: Great, well Joe, thanks for coming up. Man.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I've got one more thing to say about Russ.
Speaker 5: I talked to you the other day. He said, he
Speaker 5: wanted to make sure that everybody knew that his dad
Speaker 5: had money saved up for him to go to college.
Speaker 5: And this story he told me.
Speaker 3: Just the other day.
Speaker 5: He said, I forgot to tell Clay this, so he said,
Speaker 5: and you'd be sure and tell them that my dad
Speaker 5: offered me this money, but I turned it down. He said,
Speaker 5: I just wasn't going to go to college, and I
Speaker 5: was going to continue to lay brick. And he said,
Speaker 5: I got to thinking about that later, and he said,
Speaker 5: my dad had already spent the money, but he wanted
Speaker 5: to make sure that you knew that he paid for
Speaker 5: his college himself, and that his dad.
Speaker 3: Had offered to pay for his college.
Speaker 5: Huh, but he ended up having to pay for it himself,
Speaker 5: he said, But he wanted to make sure.
Speaker 3: I told you.
Speaker 8: That about a half a pallet of bricks would have
Speaker 8: convinced me to go to college.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And he said that you know, his dad had had
Speaker 5: this money saved up, but he wanted to.
Speaker 1: Pay for his college.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 1: Me and Russ talked a little stone work, you know,
Speaker 1: he rust laid stone too, And I showed him a
Speaker 1: picture of my magnum opus.
Speaker 3: That everybody you know is now seeing a picture of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I had a picture, right, I wish
Speaker 1: we could take these cameras out and I could show
Speaker 1: you by Joe, I have to show you my Yeah.
Speaker 3: He wanted pictures of that too.
Speaker 5: He mentioned he wanted some more pictures of it because
Speaker 5: he's gonna build ones.
Speaker 3: What do you say?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he was. When he saw it, he was
Speaker 1: like as Hunting and Kevin, he wants one. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: could build one.
Speaker 5: Now there's another. There's a couple more guys that you
Speaker 5: really you should talk to as his supervisors. Those are
Speaker 5: the ones I can give you a lot of stories
Speaker 5: on him, and they're all retired. So Russ is a hoot,
Speaker 5: I mean comical and just all the time there was
Speaker 5: something going on with Russ. Yeah, so I'll get you
Speaker 5: fixed up sometimes with them and just hear the funny
Speaker 5: side of Russ too. Yeah, that's just he's very comical person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, perfect perfect for Bear Grease stories for sure.
Speaker 1: Great guy. Well, thank every thanks everybody for coming, and
Speaker 1: thank you Miss Nukeman for being here. Good look in
Speaker 1: the gardens. M.