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Speaker 1: My name is Klay Nukleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast. Presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 1: we explore. Show me your bow.

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Speaker 2: We've got a Os George self bow. This one is

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Speaker 2: kind of snaky, like you can see the grain on

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Speaker 2: the actual stave is real snaky, and so we like

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Speaker 2: for all that. Yeah, I mean it makes the bow.

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Speaker 3: Look a lot cooler. It's a little character.

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Speaker 2: It's not necessarily the most functional, and it is really

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Speaker 2: hard to make it actually work, yeah, because of the snake. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and just like in this one in particular, it's just

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Speaker 2: like covered with knots and it's pretty hard.

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Speaker 3: But does it.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's what I'm working on now.

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Speaker 3: It's not in progress. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So right now it's like probably sixty five pounds

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Speaker 2: if you're to drop back all the way, which I

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Speaker 2: haven't because I only want it to be like forty

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Speaker 2: eight mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Let me see it now, this is a state you

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Speaker 1: got off our property, right yep. Actually David Albright got

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Speaker 1: it off our property like two years ago. Oh and

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Speaker 1: then and they gave you the dryday and then gave

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Speaker 1: it to me. Yep, boomerang.

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Speaker 4: What percentage done?

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Speaker 3: Is that bow?

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Speaker 1: Probably?

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Speaker 4: I'll recur percent got a little recurve on there.

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Speaker 1: He put the on there, I know ends it and

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Speaker 1: then he's yep. One of our guests today is my

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Speaker 1: friend Joe Lyles. Joe, you're an old recurve hunter.

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Speaker 5: I am. That's I started recurve hunting in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 5: Twenty seventeen, yep, and sold my compound.

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Speaker 1: And you might need to pull that back from your

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Speaker 1: lips just a little bit.

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Speaker 5: How about right there? That's great, Okay, we're good. When

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Speaker 5: did you start triad hunting twenty seventeen? Yeah, and I

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Speaker 5: had a compound and started hunting with my precurve and

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Speaker 5: having looked back since, yeah, and really enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Have you shot a self bow?

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Speaker 3: I have?

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Speaker 5: I have not, not like that.

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Speaker 1: I've never hunted with one.

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Speaker 5: And the one I have, I've got a black widow,

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Speaker 5: a forty pound black widow, and it shoots really good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like it. What's the difference between a

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Speaker 3: self bow and a long.

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Speaker 1: Bow, Well, a self bow is it's a terrible descriptor

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Speaker 1: who I want to talk to the guy that I

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Speaker 1: think self bow relies on its self for strength, like

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Speaker 1: one piece of wood.

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Speaker 2: So like if if it's like send you backed or something,

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Speaker 2: if there was not a self fifty.

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Speaker 1: Different ways to name this and the components and the

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Speaker 1: physics and the dynamics and the spirituality of the flight

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Speaker 1: of the mystical arrow. I would not pick self to

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Speaker 1: describe this. I would call it a yeah, homemade, Okay,

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Speaker 1: that would be a logical description. I would call it

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Speaker 1: a one piece bow, like it's just one piece of wood.

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Speaker 2: They do make two piece single that would we would

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Speaker 2: call that a two piece.

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Speaker 3: With fries.

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Speaker 1: No, this is uh, this is the the most primitive

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Speaker 1: type of bow. But a self bow is one that's

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Speaker 1: made from a single piece of wood, just whittled down

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Speaker 1: and so like a long bow like I have over there.

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Speaker 1: The modern long bows like Joe his Black Widow would

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Speaker 1: be a laminated bow, so have multiple different tops of wood, fiberglass,

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Speaker 1: different you know, different material in it. But this is

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Speaker 1: the way that I mean the Native Americans would have

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Speaker 1: made bose at one piece most of them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this doesn't have much to do with nomenclature, but

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Speaker 6: it does have to do with O Sage Orange and Bear.

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Speaker 6: When Bear was a little boy, words that had three

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Speaker 6: plus syllables were a little bit tough for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean he could pronounce him fine, but he was

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Speaker 6: really intentional about it pretty good. But this was one

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Speaker 6: of the words. Say George was hard for him. So

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Speaker 6: he would say bulldozer. He'd say bulldozer, strawberry. He would like,

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Speaker 6: really put the weight on the second syllable. And George

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Speaker 6: was He would say George. And I remember and every

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Speaker 6: time I hear O Sage Orange, I hear it in

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Speaker 6: little Bear's boys would oh say George.

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Speaker 1: Always. And he's got a dog named Osage. Yeah, dog,

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Speaker 1: I thought about get a dog again. It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a it's a tree and feist. It's gonna be good. Well, uh,

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Speaker 1: Bear eventually is going to make me a bow.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Bear Bear made a bow that he donated to the

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater Audit House of Oddities auction house, and it

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Speaker 1: uh sold for a thousand dollars, didn't it?

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Speaker 3: I think? Yeah?

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Speaker 7: And that one was straight.

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Speaker 4: What percentage of that you get.

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Speaker 2: I got yeah named after you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, that's cool, that's cool. I was actually

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Speaker 1: going to show my bow very Uh. This is the

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Speaker 1: fanciest bow I've ever seen. This is I've never owned

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Speaker 1: a fancier bow with the back stabilizers, front stabilizers and

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Speaker 1: then the adjustable adjustable. Sit there, Joe, I'm going on

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Speaker 1: a mountain goat hunt in Alaska, and month.

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Speaker 5: That's complicated anymore. I look at that stuff and then

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Speaker 5: compared to just my recurve, not just it's complicated.

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Speaker 1: I know it is.

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Speaker 3: How much?

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Speaker 5: Is it way?

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Speaker 3: Four or five pounds?

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Speaker 1: Oh more than that? Probably it's pretty heavy. I don't

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Speaker 1: actually don't know, but I you know, I shot trad

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Speaker 1: exclusively for seven years from about twenty thirteen to around

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Like that was my primary weapon. And it's

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Speaker 1: funny how people in the hunting community treat that. They're

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Speaker 1: like when they see it, they're like surprised that you

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Speaker 1: for having a compound bow. And I've always just kind

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Speaker 1: of gone back and forth, don't and you know, just

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Speaker 1: there's there'll be times when I want to focus on

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Speaker 1: trad and then times when the focus of the hunt

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Speaker 1: is more on something else like actually harvested an animal,

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Speaker 1: like the limiting factor, like with a mountain goat man.

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Speaker 1: All gosh, it would be very difficult. Like a short shot.

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Speaker 1: It's forty fifty yards a short that's what That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm told, and a lot of a lot of steep

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Speaker 1: this is I'm going to, you know, trying to extend

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Speaker 1: my effective range by cheating.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I would be too.

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Speaker 4: So what what do you feel comfortable shooting that bout?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: I can, I can. I can shoot a group at

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Speaker 1: seventy yards. You know, my best group out of three

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Speaker 1: It's pretty good. And I'm shooting pretty heavy arrow cut

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Speaker 1: on impact broadhead. I mean, I don't want to shoot

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Speaker 1: a one that far. But in that game, you that's

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Speaker 3: Game wind up there too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but but I have a secret weapon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Odds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Brent, you've been You've been commercial fishing.

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Speaker 3: That's all I do.

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Speaker 1: Man, you're a commercial fisherman. Yeah, have you have you

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Speaker 1: caught some fish lately. I actually have yeah, been going good.

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Speaker 8: One a couple of weeks ago. One catfish.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, are they all catfish or you get other stuff

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Speaker 4: mixed in there, cropping and stuff, you know, you just

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Speaker 4: they're piled up.

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Speaker 3: We just throw them up on the bank. No, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 8: We hadn't caught one sport fish, one game fish. You

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Speaker 8: know what I mean, catfish these nets. Catfish is classified

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Speaker 8: as a sport fish, and you know commercial fish, rough fish.

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Speaker 8: But we yeah, we've caught a few buffalo. We caught

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Speaker 8: a big old drum. I put a hoop net out. Man,

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Speaker 8: it's four foot hoop net. You could catch that bear,

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Speaker 8: but stepped behind Joe in it. I caught one buffalo

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Speaker 8: at one drum in it. That's all we've caught so far.

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Speaker 8: So the hoop net thing is kind of escaping us.

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Speaker 1: But oh, now, what kind of nets are.

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Speaker 3: You using to use? Wire nets? Wire nets?

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Speaker 1: Putting some kind of in there.

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Speaker 3: Yep, cheese cheese block.

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Speaker 8: It's like a the size of a block of velvety

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Speaker 8: cheese and it's cheese and fish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, four fish.

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Speaker 8: We cut and knock them in half and put them

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Speaker 8: in there inside the throat of the of the fiddler net,

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Speaker 8: and then the fish went up in there and go

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Speaker 8: to chomping, and then we'd catch them.

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Speaker 1: But the hoop but the hoop nets a little tougher.

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Speaker 1: Hoop nets just catching fish like in current just kind of.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's tougher for folks that don't know what you're doing.

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Speaker 9: We're just learning. Yeah, do you bait those two?

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Speaker 3: You can? But but we hadn't been.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I'm surprised to hear that fish are not dairy free.

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Speaker 3: They're not dairy free.

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Speaker 7: I'm surprised cheese cheese could be.

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Speaker 3: I don't even. I don't.

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Speaker 4: Well, they nurse off their mothers when they're young, so

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Speaker 4: probably that's.

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Speaker 3: Probably what it is. That makes zero sense. Who invited him?

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Speaker 1: Josh, you caught a big brown trout yesterday around the

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Speaker 1: room here catching up?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one out late.

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Speaker 1: How big was that fish?

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Speaker 3: You look big?

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Speaker 4: It was probably eighteen nineteen inches.

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Speaker 1: When Brent saw it, he said, would you say, look

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Speaker 1: at that stick of butter?

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Speaker 3: Big stick, a big stick of butter. Beautiful beautiful fish.

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Speaker 4: Beautiful night out on the cool river and the heat,

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Speaker 4: and it's like nature's air conditioned.

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Speaker 1: It was a good night it was good.

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Speaker 4: It was funny because I was fishing with a buddy

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Speaker 4: of mine and we fish for probably close to two

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Speaker 4: hours and caught like one fish each.

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Speaker 3: After dark, well no, no, this is before dark.

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Speaker 4: We started fishing about five thirty and uh Man had

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Speaker 4: just been trying to hone my guide skills and prospecting

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Speaker 4: on different flies, and went through probably a dozen different

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Speaker 4: flies and finally found the light switch and in the

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Speaker 4: last hour and a half we probably caught twenty fish.

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Speaker 4: And you done that big brown one, And yeah, not yet,

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Speaker 4: I've got You've got another buddy. I don't know that

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Speaker 4: there's a time of year, but you I think you

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Speaker 4: can do it pretty much all year round, but I

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Speaker 4: think it's better in the fall and winter. Okay, but

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Speaker 4: I've got a buddy who's been tying up a bunch

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Speaker 4: of mouse patterns, and we'll go out and night mice

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Speaker 4: at night, you know, stripping the stripping a mouse. That's

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Speaker 4: where you catch the big predatory browns. Really really yeah,

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Speaker 4: they'll they'll eat.

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Speaker 1: I guess a lot of mouse would just cross the river.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's not far.

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Speaker 8: There's a there's a film that was shot in New Zealand.

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Speaker 8: Uh once in a blue moon or something. I can't

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Speaker 8: remember the exact name of it, but you could see

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Speaker 8: Talked about tying flies out of bears hair. Those two

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Speaker 4: If you come in here and one of those is missing,

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Speaker 6: Okay, We've got some specialty. Tim the squirrel dog hair

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Speaker 1: Mule hair, really mule hair. Yeah, you you start talking

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Speaker 4: Where did you get the turkey beard?

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Speaker 7: Oh hell nice?

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Speaker 7: I mean, you have to devote your life to it

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Speaker 7: Like, they're incredible.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible, apple incredible.

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Speaker 7: And we had a real early spring, and this is

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Speaker 7: But we had a real early spring.

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Speaker 3: What I'm out?

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Speaker 6: And it grows everywhere in my compost ben now because

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Speaker 4: Reminds me of Lambert's Home of the Throwed Roll.

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Speaker 1: You guys, ever, it's a lot of fun. Yep, yep,

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Speaker 1: well man, this uh, this podcast was a was a

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The reason Joe's here is that Joe's retired for service

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Speaker 5: I worked for the Forest Service for a little over

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Several years ago when I did the Louis Dell and

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Speaker 1: way you do you think that? Do you think Charlie

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Speaker 5: At the time, no, I really don't. Yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: No, right, so at the time I think I think it.

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Speaker 1: but he probably didn't. Well, so Joe goes, I know

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Speaker 1: this guy, and I contact him, and me and Joe

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Speaker 1: quite to Cleveland, but drove to Tennessee and met Russ

450
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: Arthur and then and he told the story of working

451
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 1: Loudelle and Charlie Edwards and well primarily Louis Dell, and

452
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 1: it was fascinating. I mean, if you hadn't listened to

453
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: those episodes, you should turn this off, Turn this off.

454
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 3: Back to those episodes.

455
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: We're back to lou Dell and Charlie that that was

456
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 1: one of one of my favorite episodes. And so Russ

457
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: while we were there, Joe, he told I don't know

458
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 1: if you remember, but he told us the story of

459
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: getting run over. But it real brief. It was just

460
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: kind of like after the fact. And he told me

461
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,480
Speaker 1: the story of getting run over and basically a really

462
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,640
Speaker 1: abbreviated version. But I was like, man, that is a

463
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,719
Speaker 1: wild story. And I knew that at some point I

464
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: was going to go back and talk to Russ and uh.

465
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: And then he told me another wild story that I

466
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 1: can't tell you because it's the next episode, but I'm

467
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: telling you it's as good, it's as good or better

468
00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: than this one. And but now, did you did you

469
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: work with did you know Russ pretty well when he

470
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: was in Arkansas?

471
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 5: No, when he was in Arkansas, I was too young

472
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 5: at that time, okay, And when I started my fort

473
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 5: service career, Russ was already in management. He was in

474
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 5: a supervisory special agent at that time. But we had

475
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 5: lots of interaction together, you know, through he was our

476
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 5: fitness coordinator, so you know, I contacted him all the time.

477
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 5: We always had in service together, so I seen him

478
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 5: a lot during that time. But growing up as a kid,

479
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 5: you know, in later teenage years and stuff like that,

480
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 5: I heard these same stories that you've heard too, and

481
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 5: not till I got to know Russ and talk to

482
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 5: him and actually get the stories in.

483
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what's so cool about him?

484
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: Is he?

485
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: Well he told two Turkey stories too. But Russ can't

486
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: tell the story without talking about his dad. You know,

487
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. You know, you could tell just

488
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: how much he appreciated his dad and how influential his

489
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: dad was. But uh, this podcast kind of started off

490
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: and ended with his dad, you know, uh, just just

491
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: the history of his connection to the land and stuff.

492
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 1: What what'd y'all think of it? What'd you think of

493
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: the story? Mister you you wouldn't have known anything. Misty

494
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: came in completely cold. She just knew I was talking

495
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: to Russ.

496
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:19,680
Speaker 3: Arthur.

497
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 6: Well, I remember the Rainbow people coming to Mina, you remember, remember,

498
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 6: And I remember being excited and my brothers and I

499
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 6: most definitely got my brother's car and we were like,

500
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 6: let's go check this out.

501
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: Do you have to work them?

502
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 5: I worked for the Sheriff's department at the time. And oh,

503
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 5: I remember it well. I had a brusheet down by

504
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 5: James's house. A lot of them stayed during that time.

505
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was quite the adventure.

506
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 3: Wow.

507
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: And we did a bunch of them come.

508
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,719
Speaker 5: Not not like a regional or a national gathering, but

509
00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 5: there was a lot.

510
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was. There really was.

511
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this Rainbow people were still active. That's

512
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: probably the thing that people have most contacted me about

513
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 1: is talking about their interactions with the with the Rainbow.

514
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 4: People and and a like positive or negative light, just

515
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 4: just like in general.

516
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: Russ said it, well, I mean it may not have

517
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: been like can we make fun of hippies or is

518
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: that not okay? Like politically correctness?

519
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: Of course you can, okay.

520
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: Russ was like. Russ was like it was kind of

521
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: a freak show. That's the way every single interaction I've

522
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 1: had about the Rainbow People has been people people messaging

523
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: and being like, man, it was weird.

524
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: We had one one guy.

525
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: One guy wrote me, Oh my gosh, I gotta read this.

526
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 1: I won't read his name. I don't want to embarrass him. Yeah,

527
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: you gotta hear this. Uh, this guy. Uh, this guy,

528
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this guy is an officer now, uh,

529
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: he said, he said, funny. The Rainbow People came up

530
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: in the latest episode. When I was four or five,

531
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: my parents followed the movement and would go to gatherings

532
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 1: in such and such state. I vaguely remember the naked people,

533
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: drug use and other things. Fast forward in two thousand

534
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: and eight and I was assigned to work. He's an

535
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: agent now, And he said, I was assigned to work

536
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: on this WMA where they were, and so he worked

537
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: them and anyway, we had a fun funny little deal there,

538
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: I said. Anyway, I called his parents hippies and he

539
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: laughed and he said, yeah, they were. So anyway, that's

540
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: the kind of messages I've been getting. Well, I just

541
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm endeared to him. I love hippies.

542
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 6: It just was kind of funny because there's something I mean,

543
00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 6: it's not it's a you know, Clay's life goals, Swiss family, Robinson, Like,

544
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 6: that's what Clay's life goals was. He wanted to have

545
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 6: that kind of lifestyle family.

546
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: Are you sure that's the right one.

547
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 7: Well, you're right, I'm sorry, not Swiss family. You were

548
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 7: Swiss family. He was wilderness family. Yeah, and he wanted

549
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 7: like Pat Raccoon.

550
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: So sorry, I was like, my whole life flashed before. Man.

551
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 3: I was like, I wanted to.

552
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 7: Be what I wasn't even in it anyway.

553
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 6: And there's there's a fine line between hillbilly and hippie.

554
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 6: I think it's like a very I think it's a

555
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 6: very fine line. So anyway, point being I was, I

556
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 6: was just trying to figure out why this mean squirrel

557
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 6: hunter was hanging out with the Rainbow people, Like, why

558
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 6: was he at that checkpoint?

559
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: He was going to just see him, just see the

560
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 1: check them out. Okay, that's the way I understood. It

561
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: may not have been real clear.

562
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: That's what it sounded like.

563
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: Rainbow People were Usually you would go animals, that's what

564
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 4: he was.

565
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: Well, when Russ first started telling the story, it was

566
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: he spent more time than is on the episode talking

567
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 1: about the Rainbow People, and I thought it was going

568
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: to be them that tried to kill him because I

569
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: knew where the story was going. I knew that he

570
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: got run over, but I really didn't know exactly who

571
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: did it. And so when it wasn't them, and then

572
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: you know, they were gathering to pray for World Peace.

573
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, which I saw him wild into Mark Twain National

574
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 8: Forest one times. Me and Buddy Man was up there turkey.

575
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 8: He killed a turkey and we cleaned it and the

576
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 8: remnants of it we chunked in the dumpster. Next afternoon

577
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 8: we'd go by there. There's a guy cooking what's the

578
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 8: left of that turkey beside the dumpster?

579
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: Really? Oh yeah, like gizzards and bone had a hole

580
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: in a big pot.

581
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: Was bald, it was balling.

582
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: He was hungry.

583
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: He was hungry. We stopped and gave him a sandwich.

584
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: Are you sure this was a rainbow person or a

585
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: homeless person?

586
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 3: No rainbow man. It was everywhere kind of big heart

587
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: for the hippies sandwich.

588
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: I think that maybe the rainbow movement kind of makes

589
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: its own gravy, like you know what I mean.

590
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 2: Like like if you if you went and asked a

591
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: bunch of people like are you a member of the

592
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: the Rainbow Living of Light group?

593
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean they would be like no, And then then

594
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: you might be ask those same people have you ever

595
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: been to a Rainbow Living of Light meeting? They would

596
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: be like, I mean some persons would be like, well, yeah,

597
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: we went up there just to kind of see what

598
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: it was.

599
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: All I know when they lift it was trash everywhere.

600
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I heard that. I heard that from a

601
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: couple of my comments.

602
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 5: Now, they met here on the Ozarks in about three

603
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 5: or four. They had a gathering here, and I don't

604
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 5: think they like coming to Arkansas too. Me one time

605
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 5: during the summertime, you know, ticks, chiggers, a lot of humidity. Yeah,

606
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 5: and the Arkansas law enforcement it is not on their side.

607
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: Really, so I was afraid I generalized them. I actually

608
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: didn't research too much. I was just going off what

609
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Russ said that they typically want to protest. Is that

610
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: what you understood.

611
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 5: They did not like behind their permit. Okay, yeah, a

612
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 5: large group gathering, you know, and you know how they

613
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 5: are now, you know, I've been out of it so long.

614
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 5: My last gathering that I went to was and.

615
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: We can get into a lot of stories, so.

616
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's better to just listen than talk. I was

617
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 5: in Okalla, Florida, and this would have been gosh, two

618
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 5: thousand and three, and it was a regional gathering. Because

619
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 5: I remember there was a few oranges left on the tree.

620
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: So it now, why were you working down there?

621
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 5: That was It was a detail just way were sent

622
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 5: We were detailed there, yes, and that was a regional

623
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 5: gathering and for the Force Service law enforcement part of it,

624
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 5: you know, it's pretty intense at times because they're not

625
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 5: friends with the for Service law enforcement and you see

626
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 5: a lot, you interact with them a lot, and there's

627
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 5: a lot of good people there and then there's some

628
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 5: that they don't want to see you at all. Lots

629
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 5: of drug use, doctors, lawyers, really, oh yeah, people from

630
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 5: all walks of life, all kinds. Yeah, been to a

631
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 5: few of them as far as but that was my

632
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 5: last right there.

633
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was your last Rainbow gather, you know.

634
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 5: And wise no, that was my last, you know it

635
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 5: just there are some things I couldn't take and that

636
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 5: was one of them.

637
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

638
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you never got past. I asked you what

639
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: you thought about the episode.

640
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, and it's really hard not to like

641
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 6: Russ Arthur. Like just he's kind of like good guy

642
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 6: as salt of the earth. Just as you listen to him.

643
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 6: I think he probably gives a very great, a wonderful

644
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 6: reputation to if every law enforcement officer you met was

645
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 6: like Russ Arthur.

646
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 7: He just seems very respectful, very even.

647
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 6: Respectful of I thought the way he described the rainbow

648
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 6: people and kind of gave a little bit about there,

649
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 6: I just I just liked them, and I thought this

650
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 6: the story was cool, and I thought it was. I

651
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 6: enjoyed hearing them talking about him going to college to

652
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 6: become a law enforcement.

653
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: Officer a while service for service and.

654
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 7: His dad's response to that, and I enjoyed the heard.

655
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: Somebody else chuckle at that was that funny? Misty was.

656
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: I was watching Misty while she listened to ites In

657
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: and I was I just happened to catch it kind

658
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: of chuckle a little bit, and I went over and like, hey,

659
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: what did you laugh at? She was like, I don't

660
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 1: even know. I wondered what it was.

661
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 7: I actually think it might have been that part, because.

662
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: That's what that's what high level podcasters do is they

663
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: put people in glass booths and have them listen to

664
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: the podcast, and then we watch. We watched their internet.

665
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: They're like WinCE or fall asleep or laugh or punch

666
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: the glass and oh oh, and you're taking notes.

667
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 6: It's difficult to be married to a high level podcaster

668
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 6: who's doing that kind of stuff, you know, like just

669
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 6: watching your every move and taking off your ears.

670
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: You do you do that exact same thing.

671
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 8: She'll she'll in that sentence at it's hard to be

672
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 8: married to Brent period. Nothing to do with podcast, that's

673
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 8: where there.

674
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: I feel like you could do.

675
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: That, okay, But to me, the story just was layered

676
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: with twist and turns. I mean, isn't that what you said? Bear?

677
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just like it was like a movie,

678
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: you know, like they were just every single time you'd

679
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: think that the story was.

680
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: Like over, like like this is this is it?

681
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: This is Yeah, it was the story his bosses would

682
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: come out of the woods with shotguns.

683
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: Some guy like some guy.

684
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 2: Came and told him that he knew where the guys

685
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: were and that he'd like, you know, kind of negotiate

686
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: and get him out.

687
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

688
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 2: Then whenever they found the you know, marijuana farm out

689
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: there and he didn't recognize anybody, and then like right

690
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: at the end, the guy, the squirrel hunter walks out.

691
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: It was just like it was there were so many

692
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: twists and turns. Yeah. Yeah, you know, Russ is uh.

693
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: I've heard him tell a lot of stories. He this

694
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: is what I think. I think that was an exceptional story.

695
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: Number one, but number two I think that he pays

696
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: attention to detail and is an exceptional storyteller too.

697
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 4: I mean, really, he's a great storyteller.

698
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 8: He well, he knew it was his job to pay

699
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 8: attention to detail and tell the story because he is

700
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 8: the witness to what's going on, and he's got to

701
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 8: convey what happened there.

702
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 4: Ji will tell you that was before body.

703
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 8: Down on a piece of paper, and then he's got

704
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 8: to present it to folks that had no zero, have

705
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 8: zero knowledge about anything or anyone that's going on, and

706
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 8: he's got to convince them this is what happened, this

707
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 8: is what they were doing. So yeah, of course the

708
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 8: detail is the big thing.

709
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what'd you think about it?

710
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: Brent? Oh, it's good man.

711
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 8: It was just I mean I could see it coming progressing,

712
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 8: you know, because somebody made the statement maybe and you

713
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 8: it may have been Russ himself. Some folks are just mean,

714
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 8: you know, and they don't and they don't think about things,

715
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 8: and going to prison or going to jail or the

716
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 8: repercussions of something is immaterial to what the message or

717
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 8: that they're trying to send or the the act that

718
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 8: they're trying to do. They don't care about that. There's

719
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 8: no they're not worried about anything. They're not worried about

720
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 8: how's it gonna look on my resume, you know, because

721
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 8: that's not that's not their deal. Where they're big in

722
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 8: their community, that might look good on there, give them

723
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 8: some street cred or whatever you call it. They don't

724
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 8: think about what's going to happen the day after. And

725
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 8: then when when you do, when they act impulsively or

726
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 8: they premeditate something and do it, then whatever repercussions they

727
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 8: receive from it, it wasn't their fault. That guy made

728
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 8: me mad, he made me do this, it's his fault.

729
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 8: And they get madder, you know. They just have a

730
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 8: warped way of looking at.

731
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: Did that surprise you the way? No, See, that's what

732
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:37,280
Speaker 1: I just don't.

733
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 3: It didn't surprise Joe. It wouldn't surprise me.

734
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: What type of crazy person would do that?

735
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 8: Well, I don't know that they're crazy. They're just they

736
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 8: have a different value system. And then they don't have

737
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 8: to be raised in a poor They don't have to

738
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 8: be raised in a poor place to be there. They

739
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 8: can be from the the nicest part of town, the

740
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 8: most successful parents. It's just whatever, how they perceive their

741
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 8: perception and reality of their perception of right and wrong.

742
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 8: You can you can teach. I mean, my parents and

743
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 8: grandparents were just as poor as you could get, but

744
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 8: their value system was, you know, impeccable.

745
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: Money.

746
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 8: Hadn't didn't have anything to do with it, They're raising,

747
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 8: didn't have anything to do with it. Once they were

748
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 8: shown something they could see, Ah, this is the way

749
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 8: to go. This is the way to do, This is

750
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 8: the way to operate. This is the way to be

751
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 8: a productive member of my community and be a good person.

752
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 8: And some folks is like, I do what I want. Yeah,

753
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 8: I'm not a sap. I'm not going to do that.

754
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 8: I'm not going to you know, I'm I don't have

755
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 8: to respect you, but you got to respect me or

756
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 8: you'll pay the consequences.

757
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: Wow.

758
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, So do you, Joe? When you heard that story,

759
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: do you think those guys were on drugs or.

760
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 5: Without a doubt and just just all out criminals. You know,

761
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 5: probably have been career criminals since they were young.

762
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: And specifically I'm talking about when they ran over Russ

763
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: Arthur because there's a there's a I was thinking about

764
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: it because Russ didn't know and he didn't really speculate.

765
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: I asked him one time, I said, we're they on drugs?

766
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: And his answer was, well, we'll never know because we

767
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: didn't catch them till three days later. But they were

768
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 1: going through a DUI checkpoint and there's one way out,

769
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: I mean, so they had to go through this checkpoint.

770
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: And so if they were aneebriated, they know they're about

771
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: to get caught.

772
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, odds are yes.

773
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 5: Yeah. And during that time, you know, Russ grew up

774
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 5: in the marijuana cultivation. That was a lot of his career.

775
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 5: Things have really progressed now to where it's methamphetamines. And

776
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 5: that's what a lot of my career was is meth

777
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 5: labs still the marijuana cultivation, but what they're seeing now,

778
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 5: the officers is fentanyl, right know. It's it's eating this

779
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 5: country up, it really is. My middle daughter is she's

780
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 5: an r N just over here in Oklahoma and she

781
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 5: deals a lot with seeing a lot of fen in

782
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 5: the lower doses and it's right here. And and going

783
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 5: back a lot of what Brent says, a lot of

784
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 5: people just don't like the law enforcement.

785
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 8: They don't they don't respect, you know, it's they have

786
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 8: a h authority.

787
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 3: This ain't there? Yeah, ain't there deal? You know? Yeah,

788
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 3: you know.

789
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 5: Talking about the body cans and that's that's a game

790
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 5: changer right there.

791
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

792
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 5: And when I first got a body can, oh, I

793
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 5: hated the thing. You know, you were scared to say

794
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 5: anything because you did you didn't want to well, you

795
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 5: knew all this is going to be in core. But

796
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 5: then after you wear that thing for a while, you

797
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 5: get used to it, and then you wouldn't work without.

798
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 1: It really.

799
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: For you?

800
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you know, I got to where I would not

801
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 5: work without it. Yeah, because when they realize it's on

802
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 5: BODYCM games over then.

803
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: Really do you think it influences the way people react

804
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: to you? Oh?

805
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I would set mine on you know, there's different

806
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 5: settings on them. I would set mine on vibrate and

807
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 5: where it had an audible tone to where they knew

808
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 5: they knew they were being videoed.

809
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 3: Because all that.

810
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 5: You would see a lot of times that people break

811
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 5: out their cell phones and you know, I just tell them,

812
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 5: you know, well, hey, I'm recording it too, Yeah and

813
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 5: they know, Yeah, did.

814
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: You have people pull out a cell thinking you're going

815
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: to be there there, You're going to unjustly treat them

816
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: in some way.

817
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you see that all the time.

818
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 1: Especially. I guess that kind of bothers you when that happens, though, right.

819
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 5: Not when you're recording it to just Yeah, you get

820
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 5: used to it. It's just like anything else. But it

821
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 5: gets to the point where you would not work without it. Yeah,

822
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 5: And I would not be a law enforcement officer in

823
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 5: today's time without a body cam. Yeah, and I don't

824
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 5: see how they did. Yeah, because you're not going to

825
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 5: go out there. It makes you a better officer, Yeah,

826
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 5: it does. Just accountability absolutely, and my last few years

827
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 5: as a field training officer, and that will also make

828
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 5: you a better officer. When you've got someone else in

829
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 5: there that you're trying to get them into some type

830
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 5: of case or something.

831
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 3: It just it makes you a better officer. Yeah, it does.

832
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: To go back to what you're saying about how the

833
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: enforcement has shifted because the drug, the actual drug has shifted.

834
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: Like back in the eighties nineties, Yeah, growing marijuana was

835
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: the thing, and I was talking today I almost felt

836
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: the need to explain that, especially for maybe younger listeners.

837
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: I mean, like you can't drive ten miles down the

838
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: road in a lot of states without seeing a marijuana store.

839
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, dispense it.

840
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: I mean so but back in the day, so, I

841
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: mean you were like desensitized to this idea of marijuana

842
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: being like a hard illegal drug used by you know

843
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: and sold by you know, criminals it. But back in

844
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: those days it was very much so that. I mean,

845
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: like marijuana was like the drug and it was and

846
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: it was being grown. I guess it probably shifted some

847
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: from being grown off the forest and then to grow

848
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: houses and stuff. Is it would that be.

849
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 5: On private land? We would see a lot of it

850
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 5: on private land. Yeah, And it's talking about that. I

851
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 5: spent a lot of my career in the summertime, you know,

852
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 5: flyding helicopters, you know, looking for cultivation. And I know

853
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 5: it's never worth a darn at it, but some of

854
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 5: our guys that I flew.

855
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 3: With, they were really good at it.

856
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 5: You know, they could spot a single plant, really just

857
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 5: a single plant once it's.

858
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 3: A different color. It's just it's a different cola.

859
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: You've done it too, huh.

860
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 8: Oh.

861
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's a beautiful planet, it really is. And you

862
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 5: get the sunlight, you know, high on you know, bright day,

863
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 5: it just stands out, you know, it does.

864
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: Are people still growing marijuana and national forests. I mean,

865
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: I know you can't answer that, but it's not it's

866
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: not like that's the thing anymore, am I.

867
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 5: Right, Oh, they're growing it in their backyard. The laws

868
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 5: have gotten so liberal. Why drive once spend the money?

869
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 5: They're just growing.

870
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: I can think about it.

871
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 8: You know, when it got cheaper to bring it in

872
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 8: from Mexico than it did to take the risk of

873
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 8: growing it.

874
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 5: Just like math Afet means, you know, once the pseudo

875
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 5: law has changed, you know, the meth, you know, it

876
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 5: just all comes out of the super labs in Mexico.

877
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 5: You know, it's ninety nine percent pure math.

878
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: You know Russ's story in a way, it was kind

879
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: of dated because I mean, like setting up surveillance on

880
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: a huge patch of marijuana fifteen hundred plants and national

881
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: forests and guys coming in. You know, it's like, yeah,

882
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: my I guess my question is does that happen?

883
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 5: I guess like that, Yeah, not anymore. You know, they'll

884
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 5: set it all up, you know, cameras, SMO cameras, sell cameras. Yeah,

885
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 5: well it's all done remote.

886
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 8: We used to have a camera that we would use

887
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 8: and I can talk about it now because the technology

888
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 8: is so outdated. But it looked like a log remember

889
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 8: those log cameras, Joe, And it looked like a log man.

890
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 8: And it took a battery. He had to go and

891
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 8: dig a hole and put a car battery in it.

892
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: We would carry a car battery.

893
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 8: Yep, we put it in there. And you're having to

894
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 8: cover up wires and make this thing look natural, and

895
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 8: it's It was absolutely like dealing with Adam Bomb.

896
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: It was just you probably thought it was high level technology.

897
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: It was high level technology at that time. It was.

898
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: It was as much it was as high as it gets.

899
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 3: I mean it was Is.

900
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: That why you put that log in my front yard?

901
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: Don't don't worry about that. It's not what we're talking about.

902
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: It looks like I've found this nice logo good right

903
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: here in front of your door.

904
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 8: But yeah, but that that was the kind of stuff

905
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 8: you had to deal with. And now that technology is

906
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 8: so it's antiquated past a million miles by just a

907
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 8: regular cell camera.

908
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: Because this thing was like trying to hide that saddle. Yeah,

909
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 3: it was this bigger round about that long.

910
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: Huge Wow, did you do a lot of marijuana?

911
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 3: Lot?

912
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: Like when Russ is telling that story.

913
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 6: You's a lot of sentences that could be taken out

914
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 6: of context.

915
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 5: Here.

916
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 7: Did you do a lot of marijuana?

917
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: A lot?

918
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, I went to several schools. I was a certified spotter,

919
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 8: aerial spotter.

920
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: We did.

921
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: Were you good at spotting it?

922
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 3: Yes?

923
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: Were you good?

924
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 8: It's let me tell you what it is. You get

925
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 8: to looking for shapes. You're flying along and you're looking

926
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 8: at God's random order of plants and animals and objects.

927
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 8: Then all of a sudden, there's a neat little square

928
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 8: down there. And then when we figured when they figured out,

929
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 8: you know, the square being the plants all planted in

930
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 8: a row. So so then like, ah, we gotta we

931
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 8: got to break this up. We got to make it

932
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 8: do this random. I don't care how much you try.

933
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 8: A human cannot plant something without being something symmetrical. It

934
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 8: just cannot replicate Nature's random interesting And it was always

935
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 8: that and the color was the easiest thing to.

936
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Find that is interesting.

937
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 5: Or the trails leading out from the trails, yea, the garden.

938
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 5: Everything else is dead, but that's not.

939
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, wild We pulled.

940
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 8: We had the record for a while. It was broken

941
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 8: later a couple of years later, we pulled seventeen thousand,

942
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 8: seven hundred and fifty six plants in one day.

943
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 4: Seventeen thousand.

944
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 8: You pulled them, Yeah, in Bradley County, in South Bradley County.

945
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: It was on timber company land. Wow, that's a lot

946
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: of work. Yeah, it's not fun.

947
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 8: That's what the guys in the helicopter which I was

948
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 8: that day, and it's it's smoking hot, man, I mean

949
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 8: it is humid, and they and the ground crew is

950
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 8: going out. We're directing them in by radio, you know, forward, left, right, whatever,

951
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 8: and they get in there. I remember when this one time,

952
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 8: this guy they get into the patch and one guy.

953
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 3: Breaks in there.

954
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 8: He comes out of the thicket and all of a sudden,

955
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 8: he's standing and you see him, he's looking around all

956
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 8: this marijuana. All of a sudden he just starts doing

957
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 8: He's swinging his arms and kicking and junking and bucking

958
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 8: and doing all this kind of stuff. And the other

959
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 8: guy in helicopter says, man, he's it's a yellow jacket swarm.

960
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 8: He's got nowhere to go. So the helicopter pilots just

961
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 8: go down and they, I mean they are blowing air

962
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 8: all over the stuff and knock the yellow jackets off

963
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 8: of him enough where they can get out. But it

964
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 8: was like he was doing a karate demonstration.

965
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: And uh, and the chopper pilot had to wear with

966
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: all the bee like, yeah, one blow those yellow jackets.

967
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 8: Another another of the spotters said, that's yellow jackets and

968
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 8: they just lowered that huey right down over the top

969
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 8: of it and blew the yellow jackets off.

970
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: That's awesome.

971
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 3: And he was getting it up.

972
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 6: So what kind of and you can you can get

973
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 6: this off your podcast if you don't want this intel

974
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 6: going out? But what kind of conditions do you need

975
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 6: for marijuana?

976
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: It's a weed, a gardener.

977
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 7: Well, I'm just trying to think.

978
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 6: If it's in the National forest, is it it grows fine?

979
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 7: Under tree came.

980
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: It's a weed. It needs to grow it or to

981
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: spot it to grow it. To grow it, you can

982
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: do it. You need water and a soul.

983
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 7: But it doesn't need It.

984
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: Needs sunlight, sunlight and the open and it can grow.

985
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 6: It just grows in the warm temperatures, just like it's

986
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 6: frost intolerant.

987
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 3: Probably, Yeah, Arkansas is greatly.

988
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 4: Can you not smell a patch that big?

989
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

990
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

991
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: You can fly right, you can fly You can smell

992
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 3: it from a helicopter.

993
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 5: You can smell it absolutely, and you know, interviewing some

994
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 5: of the people that were really long time cultivators, they

995
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 5: wanted it to frost on it and you know, we'd

996
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 5: see those plants and the buds would be you know,

997
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 5: like that, and they'd be just late on the ground.

998
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 5: And that's what a lot of them wanted that last

999
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 5: frost it. And then that's when the harvested. And there's

1000
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 5: nothing more frustrating when you had all your equipment set up,

1001
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 5: they harvested it and something went wrong with your equipment, yeah,

1002
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 5: and missed them.

1003
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: We didn't get any documentation of it.

1004
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 5: No, Yeah, And you may want to cut this one out,

1005
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 5: but we worked the case in.

1006
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: Oklahoma for ten I bet I won't.

1007
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 5: We worked it for ten years before the people that

1008
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 5: started you know, working it before me. And we worked

1009
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 5: this case for ten years and we let them have it,

1010
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 5: you know, during that length of time, because during that

1011
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 5: length time, you're not gonna make you know, we're talking

1012
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 5: you know, several hundred plants up to a thousand plants,

1013
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 5: but that's not going to make any difference to people,

1014
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 5: you know, so we'd let them have it.

1015
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: Do you mean to make any difference in the court.

1016
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 5: Oh, well that and you're not going to make any

1017
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 5: difference in the amount of marijuana out on the streets.

1018
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 5: We wanted to catch them, you, we weren't in the

1019
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 5: We were in the business to catch them. So we'd

1020
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 5: let them have it and then they get a little

1021
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 5: bit more comfortable. We worked this case for ten years.

1022
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 5: In the let me think early February of twenty twelve,

1023
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 5: we knew this guy would come in and he would

1024
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 5: he would start his plots and he would come in

1025
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 5: and get everything ready in the night, even during that

1026
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 5: time of the year. So he'd ride a horse. That's

1027
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 5: where how he tended all of his stuff. So we

1028
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 5: went in in February and set our cameras and just

1029
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 5: to get him prepping the sights, got all of our

1030
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 5: stuff set up. And now we came back probably two

1031
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 5: or three weeks later, and walking into that plot, I'm like,

1032
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 5: oh my gosh. And because I'd set my camera up

1033
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 5: and like part of years, I buried part of it.

1034
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 5: And he came in at night and he took a

1035
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 5: chainsaw and he cut that tree down and well it

1036
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 5: was a big bush and my camera was just right.

1037
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: He cut the tree down that the camera was on.

1038
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 5: Absolutely it was a bigger, tight bush. But he came

1039
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 5: in and cut it down. And if it would have

1040
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 5: been during the daylight, he had has seen everything.

1041
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 7: Oh wow.

1042
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 5: And but he came in at night on a horse

1043
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 5: and we didn't know what it was. So we worked

1044
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 5: that all summer long and then August. And why we

1045
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 5: left this equipment on that one patch, I don't know,

1046
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 5: because it already burned up. He came in the daytime,

1047
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 5: he had a veil on, he had a mask on,

1048
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 5: just a handkerchief, he got hot. We just don't know.

1049
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 5: But just the day before I'd service that equipment, so

1050
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 5: I knew it was good. He got in there messing

1051
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 5: around and he got hot, and he pulled it down,

1052
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 5: wiped his face with it, put it all back up,

1053
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 5: and we had him ten years later, really ten years.

1054
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: And so you had all this evidence of him growing, grown,

1055
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: grow and grow and grow and growing, and then finally

1056
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: you got a picture of the guy ten years later. Now,

1057
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: how were you able to all the evidence you'd gathered

1058
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: all those ten years, even though without photo evidence of

1059
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: it being him? Were you able to push that on him?

1060
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 5: We were for the previous year because he had rode

1061
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 5: a horse in We knew enough about the case that

1062
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 5: we were able to prove it all and link it

1063
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 5: all together.

1064
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 1: Wow.

1065
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 5: And we actually, you know, the smallest pieces of evidence.

1066
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 5: We picked up a little piece of a tarp that

1067
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 5: was in the patch because he would he would pile

1068
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 5: it all on this tarp, and he ripped off part

1069
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 5: of this little blue tarp. I'll never forget that. And

1070
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 5: that was actually at his house, the tarp that all

1071
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 5: the marijuand was still laying on.

1072
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: And you were like wow.

1073
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,399
Speaker 5: And that was twenty twelve. He since deceased and spent

1074
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 5: a lot of time in prison. But when we served

1075
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 5: that warrant, we never told anyone where we were going,

1076
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 5: not the sheriff's department, nothing till the morning that we

1077
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 5: were headed to his.

1078
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: House because he didn't want to leak out with the.

1079
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 5: Even when the law enforcement, the Forest Service kept it

1080
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 5: so hush hush that we never told him where we

1081
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 5: were going to we were on our way. And you

1082
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 5: have problems with that in the past. Yeah, with leaks,

1083
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 5: you just didn't know there had been so much and

1084
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 5: we knew how violent this person could be. And I

1085
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,239
Speaker 5: can remember my captain at the time, you know, when

1086
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 5: he was he loved to be the first one. And

1087
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 5: you know he had a lock gate, you know with

1088
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 5: those with our patrol vs.

1089
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: He rammed it.

1090
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 5: There was no there wasn't time to get out unlocked

1091
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 5: gates because it could the potential could go south through

1092
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 5: bad really and we had the entry team, the Sheriff's

1093
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 5: department had an entry team. When they approached the house.

1094
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 5: You know, he's got a glock laying right there by

1095
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 5: the bed, and we knew there was a window there

1096
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 5: where he slept, and that's where you know, the first

1097
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 5: guy went out.

1098
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: There too, through the window.

1099
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 5: No, just right there at it, you know, because then

1100
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 5: the entry team made, you know, entry into the house.

1101
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 5: But he had a gun, you know, laying right there

1102
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 5: on the nightstand.

1103
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: He was caught. Oh he's caught. Yeah, there was no

1104
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 3: way out of that. Wow.

1105
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 5: And wow, lots of good cases like that, but oh

1106
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 5: there are tons of them.

1107
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll bet so interesting.

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Speaker 6: Uh, I just think about the adrenaline and the I mean,

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00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 6: you have to have a special personality to be able

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00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 6: to our chemical makeup, even to be able to work

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00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 6: undercover the lion for a good cause. Like, I think

1112
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 6: about what that would do to your psychology.

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00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: Well, now there was no undercover, official.

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00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 7: Undercover, but I was just thinking like how hard it

1115
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 7: would be.

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Speaker 5: I was.

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00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 6: I was thinking about the case with with Louis Dill

1118
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 6: and Charlie and with ras and just the challenges that

1119
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 6: that would that would present to do that I don't know,

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00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 6: and just to hear in that story. Just thinking about

1121
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 6: the just the I don't know, that's kind of mess

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00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 6: you up a little bit. I mean, you seem to

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00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 6: be really healthy and stable.

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00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 9: Just the stress psychological.

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Speaker 6: It just like you've got to have some type of

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00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 6: special composition to be able to do that. And out

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00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 6: of that it would be hard to go, like to

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Speaker 6: your kids baseball game afterwards. That's what I think is, like,

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00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 6: how could you go from that to like your kids

1130
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 6: baseball game?

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00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: You missed a lot of them?

1132
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 5: Did you missed a lot? And you compartmentalize a lot? Okay,

1133
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 5: And these jobs which you know he can also talk about.

1134
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 5: You see lots of violence, yeah, tons of death, and

1135
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 5: you compartmentalize it. You just you don't go there because

1136
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 5: your mind will your mind will go there if you

1137
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 5: at it, but think about something else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this segment brought to you by better Help the.

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Speaker 1: Better help dot com for all the therapy that you need.

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Speaker 6: Do your do your like do your organizations provide that

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00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 6: kind of support and training for how to do that.

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00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, is that part of it for sure?

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00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, it seems like that would be super important.

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00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does very much.

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00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 1: So, Josh watch stood out to you. It was your

1147
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: favorite part. You were there for the whole Josh was

1148
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: with me when.

1149
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 4: I was at the rest his house. You know, he

1150
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 4: told so many great stories. But that story of you

1151
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 4: know that we've affectionately titled runt Over. I think here

1152
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 4: in that story it's almost unbelievable. And the I think

1153
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 4: the thing that really got me in that was when

1154
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 4: he got in the ambulance and recognized the guy that

1155
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 4: he had in federal court, and he's telling is, don't

1156
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 4: leave me.

1157
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:02,720
Speaker 4: He never said if the guy left.

1159
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: Him or not, though well he said he said he

1160
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: stayed with him.

1161
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 3: Okay.

1162
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: I felt like he stayed with him.

1163
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: Okay.

1164
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 4: But I think Russ just even in how he wrote

1165
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 4: the guy ticket, He's like I wrote it for the.

1166
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: Least, you know what I mean.

1167
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 4: I appreciated the fact that in all the time we

1168
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 4: heard Russ talk that there was that there was never

1169
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 4: a sense of compromising standards, but at the same time,

1170
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 4: there was a compassionate aspect of who he was as

1171
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 4: a law enforcement officer.

1172
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 3: And I have.

1173
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 4: Tremendous respect for that. When I when I've interacted to

1174
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 4: law enforcement, you know, there's there's been I've had good

1175
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 4: experiences and I've had bad experiences. And the good experiences

1176
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 4: that I can recall are when when I see someone

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00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 4: hold a standard at that yet be kind and compassionate

1178
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 4: in there. And I really appreciated that about Russ.

1179
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: So what bad experiences have you had, Josh, i'se handcuffs.

1180
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 3: Are too tight?

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00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeh, very interested here.

1182
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 5: I've actually had them say that these are not my paint.

1183
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 5: Off the checkpoint, pull some dope out of a pocket, Well,

1184
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 5: these aren't my paints.

1185
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: I remember coming through a check point on Forest Service

1186
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: one time where you were there. Do you remember that

1187
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: I did.

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00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 3: We'll talk about that later.

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00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: I was baiting bears and at that time I didn't

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00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: know you that well. I mean, we we, but I

1191
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 1: know I just remember coming just coming around the corner

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00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: National Force and there's a bunch of trucks and the

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00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: UH roadblock and I thought about busting through it.

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00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 4: What was happening, Joe?

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00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 5: That was just a regular compliance checkpoint, is what that

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00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 5: one was.

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Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of people in the

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00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: forest at.

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Speaker 5: That Yes, and since when Russ was talking about it,

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Speaker 5: they can probably call them roadblocks whatever they want. We

1201
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 5: had to write them up as a compliance checkpoint. There

1202
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 5: was only certain things you could ask for driver's license

1203
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 5: and insurance and that was that was it.

1204
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 5: But with just those two questions, you just you can

1206
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 5: see so.

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00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: Much well, I mean, just like somebody doesn't have insurance,

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00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: I mean, turn does it lead?

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00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 3: Though?

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00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 5: Like usually when we pull that vehicle over, you know,

1211
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 5: if they don't have one of those, you pull on

1212
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 5: over here.

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00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: And then at that point you can ask them more.

1214
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 5: You can start asking more, but that's your first initial questions.

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00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 5: It has to be stated on there what you're going

1216
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 5: to ask for, the exact location of the of the checkpoint.

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00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 5: You know, it's very systematic what you've got to ask for,

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00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 5: and we'll just leave it at that. But once you

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00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 5: pull that the what.

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Speaker 3: You can see.

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Speaker 8: We had one one time, this lady pulls up in

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Speaker 8: the station wagon and she's mad at the world, and

1223
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 8: I said, I just need to see your license and

1224
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 8: registration please, And boy, she's hot.

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Speaker 3: She's mad.

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Speaker 8: She's cussing me and cussing everybody else for being there

1227
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Speaker 8: and being in her way. She's in a hurry, her

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01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 8: and her husband and fighting, and she's leaving him. I said, wow,

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Speaker 8: I said, let me just let me check your tags

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01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 8: on the back of the car and I'll be right back.

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01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 8: Then you can get on your way. And she's still

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01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 8: cussing me like the dog that I am. And as

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01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 8: I'm walking back to the back to check her license,

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01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 8: I just shined my light in the back and there's

1235
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 8: like eighteen marijuana plants still in the in the pot,

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01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 8: just laying across all her clothes on the top. Wake

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01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,479
Speaker 8: up there now, she said, giving my license, I'm leaving.

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01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 8: I said, we got a few more things to talk about.

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01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 8: I said, is everything in this car you're She said, yeah,

1240
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 8: except for the marijuana plan are exactly do you think?

1241
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: I mean? She knew they were back there?

1242
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Speaker 8: What made her she was mad? She was she mad

1243
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 8: they were his, they were they left, and she's was

1244
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 8: going to be spiteful and she had him in the

1245
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,479
Speaker 8: back but she was. She Her demeanor went from yes,

1246
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 8: everything's in this car is mine realizing and she said,

1247
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 8: except for the marijuana place my husband.

1248
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 3: So wow, too bad he ain't in the car.

1249
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 7: How were you able to verify that they were his?

1250
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: You said, no, I'm sure they were his, but she

1251
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 3: was in possession. Yeah.

1252
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 5: Wow, you see all sorts of stuff. Yeah, because story

1253
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 5: on that. We were We're in Muddy Creek and we

1254
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 5: had to check point, same situation, rolls through and you

1255
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 5: could just smell it, you know, that car ended up

1256
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 5: having seventeen pounds in it the best, Oh my god,

1257
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 5: a lot of a lot of marijuana. And but you

1258
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,439
Speaker 5: just see and like I'm telling you the one where

1259
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 5: he said, these ain't my pants. You know, you could

1260
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 5: smell it rolling out, you know, get it out of

1261
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 5: his front pocket. The best I remember. And he said, man,

1262
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 5: whatever you do, don't call my grandfather. First thing, Well,

1263
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 5: what's his phone numbers? You know that's the first person

1264
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 5: you call.

1265
01:01:58,560 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: Don't call my grandfather.

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01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:00,479
Speaker 3: That's that, he said.

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01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 5: He said, he'll beat me to death last the first

1268
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 5: person we called. And he was not happy when he

1269
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 5: got there.

1270
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Speaker 4: Wow, So Brent, you'll like this if my daughter's probably

1271
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 4: gonna kill me. But my youngest daughter, she's been driving

1272
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 4: for a couple of years. She's eighteen, and she's Both

1273
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 4: my daughters tend to have a little bit of a

1274
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 4: lead foot, and my youngest daughter's never been pulled over,

1275
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 4: so she's never had an interaction with that. Well, she's

1276
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 4: on the interstate coming out here the other day and

1277
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 4: gets pulled over, right, you know, about a mile before

1278
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 4: the speed limit switches from from sixty five to seventy five,

1279
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 4: and she thinks she's in the seventy five, so she's

1280
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 4: driving eighty and she gets pulled over. And this is

1281
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 4: the two lane divided interstate. She sees she's in the

1282
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 4: left lane. She sees the blue lights and blue lights

1283
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 4: behind her, and where does she decide to pull over?

1284
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 3: In the median? In the meeting.

1285
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 4: So he gets out and he walks up to her,

1286
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 4: and he says, he says, can I see your license?

1287
01:02:58,680 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 4: She gives him a license.

1288
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 9: She says, says, who's your and we we have insurance coming,

1289
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 9: We have our our insurance on our phone. And he says,

1290
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 9: who's your insurance provider? And she goes, my dad, that's good, Yeah,

1291
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 9: that's a good so much you do.

1292
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: That's funny. That's funny, Isaac. Did you like the podcast? Yeah,

1293
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: he's paid to say Caraman always say that.

1294
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1295
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna repeat everything you're saying. Okay,

1296
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: go ahead. In the words of Isaac Neil, the disparity

1297
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: of the guy who runs him over members and the

1298
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 1: two family members, right thing, the dad who said I'll

1299
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: go get him, and then the relative and the relative

1300
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: who called him up happen.

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01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, to be fair, the dad said I'll go get

1302
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:09,240
Speaker 6: him at our illegal hunting site.

1303
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, as long as you guys don't shoot him.

1304
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: You know, I should have asked Russ. It made it

1305
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: sound like it was an illegal camp in the Great

1306
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: Smoking Mountain National Park.

1307
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way I.

1308
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: Mean, he said, in the Smokies. And and for it

1309
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 1: to be an illegal hunting camp, I mean, if it's

1310
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: a national force, they could have a hunting camp. I mean,

1311
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: assuming it wasn't like some like permanent structure or something like,

1312
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: they could have a camp way back there. But apparently

1313
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: it was in.

1314
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 3: The park, and he did right where it was at.

1315
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the dad knew where it was at. Coincidence, Yeah, Yeah,

1316
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: there were so many parts of this that could have

1317
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: been in a movie. You know. Yeah, I was, I

1318
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: was flashing back. I think a lot of my young

1319
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: youngest like I was like a little fledgling chick. It

1320
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: was just really imprinted by Sylvester Stallone in the But

1321
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: when Stallone, it's a little different with Russ and Stallone.

1322
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: But when when Rambo was in prison and there was

1323
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: only one man for the job and his old boss,

1324
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: Colonel Troutman, calls him, gets him out of prison to

1325
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: go do the job, the recon job and in Vietnam.

1326
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: So when Russ moves back to Tennessee and he gets

1327
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: a call from his old boss that needs him back,

1328
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: I can hear the music. Russ was not in prison,

1329
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: I could, I could, I could see the movie.

1330
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 3: You know.

1331
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,439
Speaker 1: Russ's back, just mad in his own business, just back

1332
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: in Tennessee. I don't want anything to do with those

1333
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: guys over Robin Corn. Yeah, platting corn, plowing with a

1334
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: mule and uh. And then he has to go back

1335
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: and bust these guys.

1336
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 6: Y'all think that Clay's just doing this to be entertaining,

1337
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 6: but in reality, just the day to day, no routines

1338
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 6: of our life. I will bring up Rambow quotes. When

1339
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 6: River was about six years old and lost her first tooth.

1340
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 6: We were pulling it. She's tearing up, and he said,

1341
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 6: Rainbow was taught to ignore pain.

1342
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:11,439
Speaker 3: Bear.

1343
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: Was that a little bit of a tenant of your upbringing?

1344
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 3: Oh?

1345
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it wasn't that.

1346
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was like a saying that was like

1347
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 2: constantly going through my mind.

1348
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 1: You didn't know that came from a movie, did you?

1349
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 2: Well not until you know. I got old enough and

1350
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 2: then you showed me all the rainbow. Rambo was his

1351
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 2: uncle he'd never met, was still in prison for chucks.

1352
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's pretty helpful. I would advise parents to

1353
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: teach their kids that Rainbow was taught to ignore pain,

1354
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: not acknowledge and bow to it. I mean, there's certain

1355
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: things that they need to be intended to, but most

1356
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: of them can be ignored. Am I right? Bear? Yep?

1357
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: Is that the way you're gonna teach your kids? Yeah?

1358
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: That's good, good, good good? No, it was I really

1359
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: like these just kind of monologue stories. It's just like

1360
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: one person telling the story. You know, it's kind of.

1361
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 4: I'm excited for the next one. It's gonna be awesome.

1362
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1363
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: The next one's already gave, you know, some foreshadowing that

1364
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: it's an illegal elk hunt in Yellowstone. I mean I gave,

1365
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: I told quite a bit.

1366
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 6: Actually, have you ever referenced that one outside of because

1367
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 6: for some reason, I feel.

1368
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,919
Speaker 7: Like you've told me about it before.

1369
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, Well it's gonna be good. It's gonna

1370
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: be good. What else, guys, Brent, what's going on with

1371
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: this country life?

1372
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 3: Man?

1373
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 8: All good stuff we're talking about. Let's see help me

1374
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 8: do the Matthew this one comes out, we'll be talking

1375
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 8: about heroes. Heroes after this one comes out, and Rambo's

1376
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 8: not in it, I should maybe I do that a

1377
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 8: part too, just about Rambo.

1378
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 7: Just a single episode devoted.

1379
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 8: But we're having It's fun, you know, this is a

1380
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 8: I like to talk about the stuff that I'm doing.

1381
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 8: And right now I'm trying to hunt the shade and

1382
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 8: stay cool. But we're we got some good topics coming up.

1383
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 8: I think good thy folks. Folks are enjoying it, get

1384
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 8: lots of good feedback, getting lots of good stories, people

1385
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 8: sending stories in good We've got a project. Karen and

1386
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 8: Reeve and I are going to be working on. It's

1387
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 8: later on. It's going to be good, I think with

1388
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 8: the stories that folks are sending in.

1389
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, good, good, good. Well, I've got two sales pitches

1390
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: that I'm excited about. Meat Eater Experiences. Is this deal

1391
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: where people can book a trip and go with some

1392
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 1: of us on the team. Me and Brent are gonna

1393
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: be in Venice, Louisiana in October October tenth through sixteenth

1394
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: or something right like that. Yeah, we're gonna be down

1395
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 1: on the coast of Vennics, Louisiana red fishing and people

1396
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: can come. I mean it's not I'm not going to

1397
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: tell you it's cheap, you know, which is unfortunate to

1398
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: be nice if it was like two hundred dollars, it's not.

1399
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 1: But uh, but people can book and it's it's like

1400
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: booking a guided four day something fishing trip. I'm going

1401
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 1: to lodging, food, everything. But but we'll be there so

1402
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: and there's other and you're also doing the Kansas waterfowl deal.

1403
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, if I think it's called foul planes that's being in.

1404
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 8: I'll be up there in January and duck cuttings should

1405
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 8: be phenomenal during that time. It's a great place. I'm

1406
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 8: looking forward to it.

1407
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. Uh.

1408
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 1: Second sales pitch is for my pants.

1409
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 4: But you weren't expecting that you can buy his exactly

1410
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 4: these pants and send them down.

1411
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: This is first lights new three or eight pants. Nobody

1412
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: told me to do this, but I literally wear these

1413
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: every day or a mule riding yesterday. I got them

1414
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:00,560
Speaker 1: on today. I just kind of clean them up a

1415
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: little bit. But they're like they're I mean, they're a

1416
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 1: hunting pant. You can hunt in them, but I wear

1417
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: them to church. You can hunt a dress, but I

1418
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't advise it.

1419
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:11,599
Speaker 3: Had bad experience.

1420
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: My bare hund fell off. But no, they just they

1421
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: just dropped these. They call them three to eight three

1422
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: o eight being the rifle caliber you get it? Did

1423
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,759
Speaker 1: you get that when you first saw I didn't.

1424
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 7: I did not. I can say I did not get that.

1425
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 3: Eight.

1426
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: I think that's the caliber. Uh didn't James Lawrence use

1427
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: a three?

1428
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah?

1429
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: Is that what he is? That what he used?

1430
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got one. It's a lever action the best

1431
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 5: I remember.

1432
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a pop. I think that was a

1433
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: popular caliber back in the day when he was.

1434
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 3: It still is.

1435
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, run it suppressed.

1436
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.

1437
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well good breches.

1438
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: Great, well Joe, thanks for coming up. Man.

1439
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I've got one more thing to say about Russ.

1440
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 5: I talked to you the other day. He said, he

1441
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 5: wanted to make sure that everybody knew that his dad

1442
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,440
Speaker 5: had money saved up for him to go to college.

1443
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 5: And this story he told me.

1444
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 3: Just the other day.

1445
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 5: He said, I forgot to tell Clay this, so he said,

1446
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 5: and you'd be sure and tell them that my dad

1447
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 5: offered me this money, but I turned it down. He said,

1448
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 5: I just wasn't going to go to college, and I

1449
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 5: was going to continue to lay brick. And he said,

1450
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 5: I got to thinking about that later, and he said,

1451
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 5: my dad had already spent the money, but he wanted

1452
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 5: to make sure that you knew that he paid for

1453
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 5: his college himself, and that his dad.

1454
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 3: Had offered to pay for his college.

1455
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 5: Huh, but he ended up having to pay for it himself,

1456
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 5: he said, But he wanted to make sure.

1457
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 3: I told you.

1458
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 8: That about a half a pallet of bricks would have

1459
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 8: convinced me to go to college.

1460
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah.

1461
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 5: And he said that you know, his dad had had

1462
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 5: this money saved up, but he wanted to.

1463
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: Pay for his college.

1464
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 3: Love it.

1465
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: Me and Russ talked a little stone work, you know,

1466
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: he rust laid stone too, And I showed him a

1467
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: picture of my magnum opus.

1468
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 3: That everybody you know is now seeing a picture of it.

1469
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I had a picture, right, I wish

1470
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: we could take these cameras out and I could show

1471
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 1: you by Joe, I have to show you my Yeah.

1472
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 3: He wanted pictures of that too.

1473
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 5: He mentioned he wanted some more pictures of it because

1474
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 5: he's gonna build ones.

1475
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 3: What do you say?

1476
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he was. When he saw it, he was

1477
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: like as Hunting and Kevin, he wants one. Yeah, he

1478
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: could build one.

1479
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 5: Now there's another. There's a couple more guys that you

1480
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 5: really you should talk to as his supervisors. Those are

1481
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 5: the ones I can give you a lot of stories

1482
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 5: on him, and they're all retired. So Russ is a hoot,

1483
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 5: I mean comical and just all the time there was

1484
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 5: something going on with Russ. Yeah, so I'll get you

1485
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 5: fixed up sometimes with them and just hear the funny

1486
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 5: side of Russ too. Yeah, that's just he's very comical person.

1487
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, perfect perfect for Bear Grease stories for sure.

1488
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: Great guy. Well, thank every thanks everybody for coming, and

1489
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: thank you Miss Nukeman for being here. Good look in

1490
01:12:51,720 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: the gardens. M.