Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly
Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,
Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garson Davis. Today
Speaker 2: I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Sophie Lichterman.
Speaker 2: This episode, we are covering the week of May fifteen
Speaker 2: to May twenty. First, Joe Biden has prostate cancer. There's
Speaker 2: anti natalist terrorism, and the DHS is maybe gonna do
Speaker 2: a reality TV show. Probably not, but it's a bad plan.
Speaker 2: How are we doing this week?
Speaker 3: That's a trifector from hell.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so bad.
Speaker 5: This one's so bad. It's really I have to do
Speaker 5: the laughing like right here, because good Lord, like, oh
Speaker 5: many many of these weeks are bad. This one's particularly bad.
Speaker 3: I don't know, DHS reality show.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that at the at the ending segment. Sure, Hey,
Speaker 2: this is Gear from the Future cutting in. We recorded
Speaker 2: this a few hours before some pretty major news, the
Speaker 2: shooting of two Israeli embassy staff in DC. We will
Speaker 2: be talking about this in next week's Executive Disorder, as
Speaker 2: well as the new budget bill, which targets trends healthcare.
Speaker 2: Now back to the episode, I think let's start with,
Speaker 2: you know, a brief acknowledgment of Joe Biden's prostate cancer.
Speaker 2: What was Jill doing to him? Oh my god, Garrison.
Speaker 4: You could have said that at the bottom, man, you didn't.
Speaker 2: I'm allowed to say that because I'm the most gay,
Speaker 2: guye coded person on the podcast, which is saying something
Speaker 2: so so yes then and now, because we live in
Speaker 2: a truly sick world. Scott Adams couldn't even let.
Speaker 3: He couldn't let him have his moment.
Speaker 2: He couldn't even let Joe Biden have his moment. This
Speaker 2: anti Biden hatred has transcended so far that's got Adams
Speaker 2: couldn't even let Biden have this moment and announced the
Speaker 2: same day that Scott Adams has the exact same type
Speaker 2: of prostate cancer. So two down, Biden down, Dilbert down.
Speaker 2: Big week for prostate cancer.
Speaker 3: And boy, how do you have people been weird about
Speaker 3: it on the internet.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to get into how long he maybe
Speaker 2: has known he's had it. He's he's had skin cancer
Speaker 2: removed before. I think that ship has mostly sailed. I
Speaker 2: think our opinions on Biden are pretty are pretty well,
Speaker 2: pretty well documented. Yeah, so I don't think we can
Speaker 2: dedicate much more much more time to this.
Speaker 5: Okay. The one important note that I will say is,
Speaker 5: if you have a prostate get checked for prostate cancer. Yeah, like, yeah,
Speaker 5: get the screening. It's good, it'll help.
Speaker 4: You, unless you are over seventy five, in which case
Speaker 4: I think most people don't get screened for it, right
Speaker 4: because it's slow.
Speaker 3: Gross.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Biden's over seventy five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why somewhat I thought it was somewhat remarkable
Speaker 4: part of the issue there.
Speaker 1: I mean, all I can say is about once a
Speaker 1: month I think about how at the DNC those thank
Speaker 1: you Joe Chance lasted four seconds.
Speaker 2: I have actually been thinking about the thank you Joe
Speaker 2: Chance for a lot of this time yes week. Frankly,
Speaker 2: you had to be there. Yeah, it's one of the
Speaker 2: most it's one of the most horrifying, horrifying things. As
Speaker 2: they let this like very clearly dying old man out
Speaker 2: to pasture because like you know, kinds are diagnosis aside,
Speaker 2: very clear he was in some some degree of decline.
Speaker 4: We don't need to retread this.
Speaker 2: This is this is pretty well known, but no, I
Speaker 2: have been thinking about how that whole auditorium broke out
Speaker 2: and chanting thank you Joe for like nearly five minutes.
Speaker 3: And then the following the rest of the week not
Speaker 3: a single mention it was done that day.
Speaker 2: It was wild anyways, So yeah, ri Ip Dilbert, I
Speaker 2: guess let's move on to anti natalist terrorism. So I've
Speaker 2: learned this week that people don't know what anti natalism is, which,
Speaker 2: as someone who grew up in Portland, is kind of
Speaker 2: surprising to me because there was some very very prominent,
Speaker 2: like anti naedalist protesters who were set up downtown outside
Speaker 2: of Powell's books pretty frequently, and we kind of all
Speaker 2: grew accustomed to them, and honestly, I'm a little bit
Speaker 2: sympathetic to their arguments. I understand where they're coming from.
Speaker 2: Anti natalism is the belief that procreation is unethical. This
Speaker 2: can be based on the idea that there's been like
Speaker 2: this rapid increase in human population which is on extensive
Speaker 2: damage to the planet, or that's simply being born is
Speaker 2: inherently a non consensual act, especially being born into a
Speaker 2: world with high levels of suffering. So these people opt
Speaker 2: to do not have children. As this ethical standpoint, everyone's
Speaker 2: entitled to their own choice. You don't need to agree
Speaker 2: with it, but whatever. Now, interestingly, this past weekend there
Speaker 2: was a quote unquote active terrorism that has been linked
Speaker 2: to anti natalist philosophy. I'm just talking about this as
Speaker 2: it is an instance of kind of the brain ratification
Speaker 2: of this entire society and the reditification of terrorism combined
Speaker 2: with this growing sense of like nihilism driving violent extremist actions.
Speaker 2: No one was killed except for the perpetrator alleged for
Speaker 2: perpetrator in this in this incident, but I still think
Speaker 2: this is worth talking about as it can be seen
Speaker 2: as in a sequence of weird terrorism. This is something
Speaker 2: that Robert's canna be working on for a piece later
Speaker 2: later down the line. Right, this is not the first
Speaker 2: car bomb this year. We had the Tesla Tesla cyber
Speaker 2: truck explosion earlier, which was similarly kind of a weird,
Speaker 2: a weird incident.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that one was.
Speaker 5: I think that one, I think was the official inauguration
Speaker 5: of the years a lead paint which were perpetually living
Speaker 5: in now.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean the gas leak here if you will, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yes, on Saturday, maybe seventeenth the car bomb went
Speaker 2: off outside a fertility clinic in Palm Springs, California, killing
Speaker 2: the suspect, twenty five year old man named Guy Edwards Barks.
Speaker 2: The FBI is calling this a quoe unquote intentional act
Speaker 2: of terrorism. The clinic was closed when the explosion happened.
Speaker 2: The building was severely damaged, but no embryos were harmed.
Speaker 2: Investigators believe that the suspect attempted to live stream the bombing,
Speaker 2: with a website being found online that appeared to be
Speaker 2: in connection to the incident, where the suspect describes himself
Speaker 2: as a quote unquote pro mortalist.
Speaker 4: Slightly slightly different, Yeah, correct.
Speaker 2: It is more of an affirmative version of anti natalism,
Speaker 2: where you want to actually take concrete steps to like
Speaker 2: decrease the population of the planet, not necessarily in a
Speaker 2: way that's like promoting like the mass killing of individuals.
Speaker 2: He says, quote understand, your death is already guarantee and
Speaker 2: you can thank your parents for that.
Speaker 4: One.
Speaker 2: All a pro mortalist is saying is let's make it
Speaker 2: happen sooner rather than later to prevent your future suffering
Speaker 2: and more importantly, the suffering your existence will cause to
Speaker 2: all others sent to you. That's his definition of a promortalist.
Speaker 2: It can be lily to other philosophies that encourage like
Speaker 2: self harm and ending your own life as a conscious choice.
Speaker 2: On its website, he discussed his goal of quote sterilizing
Speaker 2: this planet of the disease of life unquote great and
Speaker 2: declared the need for a quote unquote war against pro lifers.
Speaker 2: His website also highlights other philosophies such as negative utilitarianism, ethlism,
Speaker 2: abolitionist veganism. Quote. Basically, philosophies that have realized religion is
Speaker 2: are worded that there is objective value in the universe
Speaker 2: and it lies in the harm being experienced by sentient beings.
Speaker 2: So although it may seem quote unquote dark, it's the
Speaker 2: polar opposite of nonsense like nihilism.
Speaker 4: Unquote.
Speaker 2: Negative utilitarianism is something that comes up a few times
Speaker 2: on his site as well. This is the viewpoint that
Speaker 2: instead of positive utilitarism where we're trying to maximize, you know,
Speaker 2: human pleasure, this is trying to minimize suffering, human suffering
Speaker 2: and like the suffering tied to existence and the like
Speaker 2: aggurate suffering as well as if you if there's more people,
Speaker 2: and there's going to be more suffering. So you should
Speaker 2: both make choices in your own life that that may
Speaker 2: that may limit your suffering, but also make sure that
Speaker 2: you don't reproduce, because then even more suffering will happen
Speaker 2: because of your actions through your children.
Speaker 5: This is the most barious shit I've ever heard of
Speaker 5: my entire goddam very West Coast.
Speaker 4: This is yeah, like twenty nine Palms is not It's
Speaker 4: not the West Coast.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of this is in conversation with like
Speaker 2: the rationalist subculture rationalist. It's like it offers different solutions.
Speaker 5: These these people shouldn't be allowed to use computers for
Speaker 5: like fifty years, like just a ban on California using computers.
Speaker 2: This is all like like deeply online stuff like these
Speaker 2: are These are popular websites, subreddits like YouTube channels. These
Speaker 2: are people who are dealing with like, you know, pretty
Speaker 2: intense existentialism depression who then channeled into this like semi
Speaker 2: niche like online community and online philosophy. Now Guy's best friend,
Speaker 2: a self described quote vegan rad feme anti natalist, recently
Speaker 2: arranged her own suicide by having her boyfriend to shoot
Speaker 2: her while she.
Speaker 3: Was what what what correct?
Speaker 2: Yes, this was This was the the bomber's best friend
Speaker 2: who died very recently, like last month, and guy claims
Speaker 2: that they were both quote unquote anti sex, missandrists with
Speaker 2: borderline personality disorder, and he admits that her death quote
Speaker 2: unquote put him over the edge.
Speaker 5: This is the most. This is the most online like
Speaker 5: like like best vegan best friend, anti natalist, has her
Speaker 5: boyfriend shoot her is the most.
Speaker 2: Even though her her anti natalist tumblr page has like
Speaker 2: women loving women, anti gender ideology, miss andry stuff and
Speaker 2: yet still has a sisterender boyfriend. In many such cases,
Speaker 2: so yeah, you can see how this type of a
Speaker 2: community gets like fostered and people make online friends and
Speaker 2: then encourage their own self destruction.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to destroy the Internet.
Speaker 2: A quote that he has on his website is quote,
Speaker 2: I've known for years now that I wasn't going to
Speaker 2: allow myself to make it.
Speaker 4: Past my twenties unquote.
Speaker 2: And like this is a sentiment I hear even a
Speaker 2: lot of like young people saying is this, like this
Speaker 2: like belief that they're not going to survive their twenties,
Speaker 2: like their belief that like the world is so bent
Speaker 2: on destruction that I'm probably not going to make it
Speaker 2: out of my twenties right now, and that that that
Speaker 2: changes the kind of choices that young people are making,
Speaker 2: and this is this is getting increasingly common.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I think it's a very different world
Speaker 4: to be growing up in than like the late teenage,
Speaker 4: early twenties of you know, like millennial people.
Speaker 2: The millennial world.
Speaker 4: It's very it's very different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we had manifestations of this in that millennial era, right,
Speaker 2: I think it got kind of pushed into this, like
Speaker 2: like nihilistic school shooter culture, which you still see remnants
Speaker 2: of now in the true krime of community. There is
Speaker 2: some crossover between an act like this and some of
Speaker 2: like the school shooter fandom the Columbiner stuff, especially considering
Speaker 2: the resurgence of Columbiner culture that we're currently seeing right
Speaker 2: now in the United States. But yeah, the general sense
Speaker 2: of like widespread dread and the interconnectedness of this is
Speaker 2: more unique.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I keep thinking about that Hunter S. Thompson quote about
Speaker 5: like those poor bastard troop but when after nine to eleven,
Speaker 5: don't know, the party's over. The party is over, and yeah,
Speaker 5: welcome to hop.
Speaker 2: So the suspect's dad said to reporters that Guy had
Speaker 2: a childhood obsession with pyrotechnics. He set the family home
Speaker 2: on fire and burned it down he was nine. He
Speaker 2: made rockets, stink bombs, smoke bombs as a child. Videos
Speaker 2: on YouTube, likely posted by Guy show m eighties exploding
Speaker 2: in the desert, a hydrogen balloon being set, a blaze,
Speaker 2: and a bucket of radioactive uranium?
Speaker 4: Or is that what did he obtain that like out
Speaker 4: there in Wonder Valley?
Speaker 2: This is still being investigated. His voice in these videos
Speaker 2: matches the thirty minute audio manifesto explaining his motivation for
Speaker 2: the attack, same quote. Basically, it just comes down to
Speaker 2: I'm angry that I exist and that you know, nobody
Speaker 2: got my consent to bring me here. Basically, I'm anti life,
Speaker 2: and IVF is kind of like the epitome of pro
Speaker 2: life ideology.
Speaker 4: Unquote.
Speaker 3: This is out there.
Speaker 4: Is there any information on the I'm just because a
Speaker 4: lot of explosives and other munitions have gone missing. Twenty
Speaker 4: nine Palms people, My familiar is a town near ish
Speaker 4: to Palm Springs, near it to Joshua Tree. There's a
Speaker 4: pretty big military base. Yeah. Yeah, it's the big marine
Speaker 4: corde like detO warfare training.
Speaker 2: Explosives have gone missing there before. The basic claims that
Speaker 2: they've been recovered. It is unclear what explosives he used
Speaker 2: at this point. It was a pretty large explosion. Investing
Speaker 2: are low key impressed at this explosion.
Speaker 3: Like it was.
Speaker 4: It was what they said in that official statement, if
Speaker 4: you read between the lines, they're like surprised at how
Speaker 4: effective this car bomb was.
Speaker 2: Again, this was a guy who spent a lot of
Speaker 2: time online, a lot of time on Reddit. It seems
Speaker 2: like he got obsessed with this. He had a fascination
Speaker 2: with explosives at a young age. So that obsession combined
Speaker 2: with this anti natalist obsession and this urge for self
Speaker 2: destruction manifested in this action.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This this week, Reddit banned anti natalist, anti life subreddit
Speaker 2: allegedly frequented by bomber.
Speaker 4: I dude, just want to say that this is I
Speaker 4: think the only IVS clinic in the Coachella Valley, So
Speaker 4: like for people who are accessing those services, that's a
Speaker 4: serious disruption, right M Yeah, that sucks.
Speaker 2: So I, me and Robert are going to talk more
Speaker 2: about kind of this trend that we're seeing in in
Speaker 2: extremism or or in extremist acts. I still don't like
Speaker 2: the nihilist buy an extremism term, but we are seeing
Speaker 2: elements of that getting more and more common, especially to
Speaker 2: my with the true crime community, which essentially tries to
Speaker 2: encourage young girls to commit school shootings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess to finish up, I just want to
Speaker 4: say that, like, I know, it's a really hard time
Speaker 4: right now. A lot of people are trying to find
Speaker 4: ways to cope or feeling like they can't cope or
Speaker 4: feel like they're not enough.
Speaker 2: I guess hopelessness. This sort of like existential nihilism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I've combined that with a lot of people
Speaker 4: who work for the government fundly finding themselves out of work,
Speaker 4: and you know the economic pressure that puts on people.
Speaker 4: And I understand that people are pretty in a tough
Speaker 4: spot right now who want to save very briefly obviously,
Speaker 4: like the world is more beautiful with you in it,
Speaker 4: and if you're experiencing suicidal ideation or mental health struggles.
Speaker 4: A couple of resources I want to suggest, the Fireweed
Speaker 4: Collective and the Jane Adams Collective. Adams spelled with two d's,
Speaker 4: there a double Dams. We will have links to both
Speaker 4: of them in the showdoes you can also put them
Speaker 4: into Duck dut go And they were the first responses
Speaker 4: that came up for me. If you need those resources,
Speaker 4: reach out to them as people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's good to see the sunrise, and it's
Speaker 5: better to see the sunrise with everyone you love in it.
Speaker 5: And yeah, that's that's a thing that you can make
Speaker 5: sure you do every day.
Speaker 3: M hmm.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you, James, thanking me a. We're gonna
Speaker 2: go and break and then come back to discuss immigration.
Speaker 2: All right, we're back, James. I see the amount of
Speaker 2: text you have. This is a very long section jail
Speaker 2: of text.
Speaker 4: I assume this is all good news. So let's uh,
Speaker 4: let's hear it all right, Garyson, I'm so glad that
Speaker 4: you have seen my wall of text because I have
Speaker 4: been looking at court documents for days. So much fun
Speaker 4: on pacer.
Speaker 2: You have been pacer posting in the group chats.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I have been court listener as well. Okay,
Speaker 4: so this is one of the more insane things I've
Speaker 4: seen on pacer. In a minute. I'm talking about the
Speaker 4: case here of mister NM, who was identified at some
Speaker 4: point and we'll get an m NM. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 4: uncommon for migranty in these kind of high profile cases
Speaker 4: to be anonymised where they can right just for their safety.
Speaker 4: So NM received a final removal order in Nebraska in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, and on the seventh of May, DHS
Speaker 4: attempted to apport an m to Libya. You'll remember that
Speaker 4: we covered that week's ed right, they did not manage
Speaker 4: to do that. And in this court case, we've seen
Speaker 4: from another detainee that one of these detainees was given
Speaker 4: a document to sign and told that he would quote
Speaker 4: be a free man in Libya after signing. Obviously unclear
Speaker 4: how one can be a free man when one is
Speaker 4: just dumped into a country when one does speak the language,
Speaker 4: has no contact, there is a war.
Speaker 3: Doesn't make sense in any way.
Speaker 4: This man is not from Libya, that's correct. None of
Speaker 4: these people are Libyan.
Speaker 5: And again, whenever seven someone says the the word Libya,
Speaker 5: you have to figure out which Libyan government you are
Speaker 5: talking about, because there are multiple of them, because there
Speaker 5: is a fucking civil war going on there right now.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and whenever someone talks about people being free
Speaker 4: in Libya, we should bear in mind that migrants are
Speaker 4: literally sold into slavery in Libya by both governments. Yes,
Speaker 4: M's English is limited. His main language is Karene, which
Speaker 4: of course is a language that people speak in Cartule,
Speaker 4: the Karen home land, which is part of Miaanmar. On
Speaker 4: the nineteenth of this month, that's two days ago, I
Speaker 4: sent a notification to his lawyer saying that they'd read
Speaker 4: him a notice of removal in English that they were
Speaker 4: removing him to South Africa. Ten minutes later, they attempted
Speaker 4: to recall this message, and then later that same day
Speaker 4: they notified his lawyer that they'd once again read notice
Speaker 4: of removal to him in English, that he was being
Speaker 4: removed to South Sudan. South Sudan the world's youngest country,
Speaker 4: if we're not familiar, a country that is in which
Speaker 4: conflict is escalating as we speak, governments carrying out a
Speaker 4: barrel bombing campaign this very week. His councils set up
Speaker 4: a video meeting at nine am on the twentieth, but
Speaker 4: just before that meeting, his council found out that he
Speaker 4: had already been removed. Mister M had refused to sign
Speaker 4: the order of removal to South Sudan and we're seeing
Speaker 4: right now in a court case. It's a class action.
Speaker 4: Mister NM is one of the members of the class.
Speaker 4: Right that there was a preliminary injunction against these people
Speaker 4: being removed because they are the same people who the
Speaker 4: Trump administration previously tried to remove to Libya, and at
Speaker 4: this point they tried to remove them to South Sudane.
Speaker 4: Before they are sent to these places, they're supposed to
Speaker 4: have a reasonable fear screening right. That is where someone
Speaker 4: can articulate if they have a reasonable fear of being
Speaker 4: removed to that country, right like if they will be
Speaker 4: persecuted there, they're likely to face torture or violence, or
Speaker 4: or be picked on because of who they are. Right
Speaker 4: then they're supposed to have a fifteen day opportunity to
Speaker 4: submit a motion to reopen if the Department of Home
Speaker 4: out Security finds that they don't have reasonable fear.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: So they're supposed to be this process where they can
Speaker 4: say I have a reasonable fear of going there, if
Speaker 4: I go there or be persecuted, and if the AHPs says,
Speaker 4: nobody don't believe you, then they have fifteen days to
Speaker 4: submit Okay, more evidence.
Speaker 1: Right are they being allowed to do that or no.
Speaker 4: No, got it. That is what this case hinges on. Right.
Speaker 4: So they were informed, possibly hours before they were moved
Speaker 4: to South Sudan that they were being moved to South Sudan.
Speaker 4: Then they were taken to a secure facility where they
Speaker 4: couldn't contact their lawyers. And in at least the case
Speaker 4: of mister NM, he had scheduled an appointment with his
Speaker 4: lawyer and was deported before he could do so. Right,
Speaker 4: And this is seven a few times before as well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's correct in the past few months, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and specifically, there was a primary injunction against this right. So,
Speaker 4: quoting from Judge Murphy, who is judging the Massachusetts District
Speaker 4: Court where this is being held, the government's actions are
Speaker 4: unquestionably violative of this court order. The government said they
Speaker 4: have complied with my order because they didn't hear anyone
Speaker 4: yelling at their jailers that they are afraid to go
Speaker 4: to South Sudan. This is clearly insufficient. Yeah, So what
Speaker 4: he's articulating here is like this chance to articulate reasonable fear. Right.
Speaker 4: I do want to point out that in Biden's asylum
Speaker 4: ban that he passed in twenty twenty four, they move
Speaker 4: from a question of are you afraid to go back
Speaker 4: to your home country to what's called a shout test,
Speaker 4: where the migrant has to articulate that reasonable fear unprompted
Speaker 4: right to have a chance at asylum in the United States.
Speaker 4: So this again, like all these immigration things, I'm not
Speaker 4: saying things what the same under Biden by I'm saying
Speaker 4: that there is a pathway to how we got here,
Speaker 4: and it goes through Biden's executive boarder.
Speaker 2: And like Miller is very willing to use anything in
Speaker 2: his toolbox.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, and anything that look for decades,
Speaker 4: castro or liberalism has built a series of tools which
Speaker 4: now lie in the hands of a very illiberal government
Speaker 4: right and they are being used against people for whom
Speaker 4: those who supported castor or liberalism may have some sympathy.
Speaker 4: That is how we got here. That's a good way
Speaker 4: of putting in. So the situation we are at right
Speaker 4: now is that these people were flown seemingly in a
Speaker 4: Gulf Stream jet. Gillian Brockell, who's a formula Washington Post
Speaker 4: reporter who were going to have on the show next week,
Speaker 4: was able to identify this jet based on where it
Speaker 4: took off and its call sign it's stopped in Shannon
Speaker 4: in Ireland. Notably, Shannon is an Irish civilian airport, right,
Speaker 4: it's not a US air Force base. This does raise
Speaker 4: some questions within Ireland, within Irish politics about Irish neutrality here. Right.
Speaker 4: The jet then flew onto Djibouti, which it is believed
Speaker 4: is where the migrants are. Right now, in court the
Speaker 4: discussion probably half an hour before we recorded this, DHS
Speaker 4: is claiming that they can do their credible fear interviews
Speaker 4: there on the tarmac in this plane, which people are
Speaker 4: saying is in Jobouty. Right, there's some suspicion that it's
Speaker 4: in Jobouty. DHS is claiming that the location of the
Speaker 4: plane is classified, but this widespread belief that this plane
Speaker 4: is currently in Djibouoty, including as I say, Julian was
Speaker 4: first and hy T published something that didn't credit her.
Speaker 4: Should have credited her. So to do the credible fear
Speaker 4: into you, right, they have to have a chance to
Speaker 4: research what will happen to them in South Shoda, They
Speaker 4: have to have access to a lawyer. Most of these
Speaker 4: people like mister NM will also have to have a translator.
Speaker 4: Right then, they will also have to have privacy, right,
Speaker 4: their credible fear may be something they don't want to
Speaker 4: share with everyone else on that plane because that could
Speaker 4: also put them in danger.
Speaker 1: Yes, also, just like that's a baffling place to suggest
Speaker 1: somebody have that intimate or private of a conversation. It's
Speaker 1: just such a violation of their human rights.
Speaker 4: Yeah, many human rights being violated here. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 4: the US has a big base in Jibouti, right, so
Speaker 4: I imagine that's why they're there. Remember that they have
Speaker 4: that fifteen day period, So if DHS finds that they
Speaker 4: don't have credible fear, then they will have fifteen days
Speaker 4: right to bring another to reopen that. Where will they
Speaker 4: be housed? Somewhere in fucking drabooty presumably if that's where
Speaker 4: they are, right. There are many many unanswered questions at
Speaker 4: this point. Now, last night we learned that one of
Speaker 4: the Burmese people, it appears that there are two Burmese people.
Speaker 4: We know this because the Department of Homeland Security today
Speaker 4: started tweeting mugshots of these people Jesus yeah and uh wow, yeah,
Speaker 4: claiming that they were convicted of various crimes. Among them
Speaker 4: were two Burmese men and m appears to be Nio
Speaker 4: Miant and the other appears to be Cure Mea. Both
Speaker 4: of these men have been accused of various a big convicted,
Speaker 4: I believe of sex crimes, and that's where they got
Speaker 4: their removal orders. Other people among the dozen or so
Speaker 4: people on the plane have been convicted of some of
Speaker 4: them like one of them is South Sudanese and he
Speaker 4: was convicted of removing the serial number from a firearm
Speaker 4: and of armed robbery, others, murder, and and various other
Speaker 4: fairly serious crimes. Right, none of that means that you
Speaker 4: should just get dumped in South Sudan, right that it's
Speaker 4: not a punishment in US law. It is not a
Speaker 4: morally or legally acceptable thing to do.
Speaker 3: It's just truly baffling, honestly. Like that, that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2: That's the move.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the move is to send themselves Sudan where It's
Speaker 4: worth noting that South Sudan's government have said it will
Speaker 4: probably send these people back to their home countries. Sure,
Speaker 4: evidently the reason they are not being sent there is
Speaker 4: because they have articulated a fear of going there, or
Speaker 4: they have protection. It's called withholding of removal right, so
Speaker 4: they can't be removed to that country and basically that
Speaker 4: is where at evidents they manage to remove. Apparently somebody
Speaker 4: to Burma today or late last night. I'm still waiting
Speaker 4: on my sources in me and mart to confirm that
Speaker 4: they the Burmese hunter is as leaky as a sieve. Right,
Speaker 4: If those people are land that we will know about
Speaker 4: it pretty soon. We have pretty good sources in Burma,
Speaker 4: so if that happens, we will know. They also discussed
Speaker 4: another party, right, someone who goes by OCG, a gay
Speaker 4: guatemrlon man who asserted credible fear of being returned while
Speaker 4: in immigration court. He was deported to Mexico, where he
Speaker 4: also asserted credible fear. Mexico gave him a choice of
Speaker 4: remaining Mexico going to Guatemala. He went to Guatemala where
Speaker 4: he is now in hiding. The DHS claimed he said
Speaker 4: he didn't have credible fear, and then later reverse that
Speaker 4: and said they didn't ask. So the judge is now
Speaker 4: asking how on earth they got this conclusion he didn't
Speaker 4: have credible fear and deported him. He's saying he might
Speaker 4: potentially put DHS officers on the stand to explain how
Speaker 4: this happened. In other immigration news, Ice just today this
Speaker 4: is Wednesday has apparently been dismissing court cases against people
Speaker 4: who turn up for hearing an immigration court and then
Speaker 4: immediately arresting them. What the fuck right there.
Speaker 3: In Jesus fucking Cross.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, it's a little unclear what the movie here,
Speaker 4: but clearly they're trying to remove them in a more
Speaker 4: expeditious way. Right, they have a court case, try to
Speaker 4: remove this person, they're saying.
Speaker 2: Because the court case has, like you know, a certain
Speaker 2: amount of time needs to process. If they dismiss the
Speaker 2: court case, then.
Speaker 4: They may have a right to appeal and yeah, but.
Speaker 2: If it's dismissed, then they can expedite other like non
Speaker 2: judicial removal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well they can do what they're doing here. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they can try and get and run people out before
Speaker 4: they have a chance to get to their lawyer. Right.
Speaker 4: Like that seems to be the underlying team of all
Speaker 4: of these things, which is that your due process and
Speaker 4: your right under the law are two time consuming, So
Speaker 4: we're going to try and make an run around your
Speaker 4: rights by sending you to somewhere fucking horrific. That is
Speaker 4: the underlying theme here. Unfortunately, this removal will likely now
Speaker 4: affect a lot more people because a Trump administration has
Speaker 4: removed the twenty twenty three Temporary Protected Status of Thenezualan People.
Speaker 4: We talked about TPSS in my Darian series. The TPS
Speaker 4: provides protection from deportation to people who are already present
Speaker 4: in the US when it passes. Generally, it's if a
Speaker 4: country has experienced war or other like instability that makes
Speaker 4: it dangerous. You have to apply for the TPS. They
Speaker 4: don't provide a pathway to permanence or citizenship, but they
Speaker 4: do give people work authorization and they often have to
Speaker 4: be frequently renewed by the Executive branch. You have to
Speaker 4: be in the US the day it's issued, so you
Speaker 4: can't enter after. Despite what you might have seen on
Speaker 4: Twitter or whatever, that's not the case right. It also
Speaker 4: doesn't count as a legal entry, so you can't use
Speaker 4: the bridge to a green card. Trump stripped this protection
Speaker 4: from about three hundred and fifty thousand Venezuelans under the
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three TPS. This does not impact There are
Speaker 4: two different tps's for Venezuelan people. They're in a bit
Speaker 4: of a unique situation. The quarter of a million people
Speaker 4: covered by the twenty twenty one TPS are still for
Speaker 4: now covered by that, but it doesn't exactly bode well
Speaker 4: for them. Right. This appears to be the largest blanket
Speaker 4: removal of legal status from a group of people in
Speaker 4: the United States history. And it's a little clear what
Speaker 4: this means for the three hundred and fifty thousand Venezuelan
Speaker 4: people currently residing in the US under TPS. Right, but
Speaker 4: it's another case of like, by their compliance, isolutorly probably
Speaker 4: knows where they live. So these people, it's possible that
Speaker 4: we will see deportations of these people back to Venezuela. Again,
Speaker 4: the situation in Venezuela is dire.
Speaker 3: It's a place where just so many people too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I think again, if people haven't listened
Speaker 4: to my Darien series, I would like that because I've
Speaker 4: got a lot of myself into it. But I have
Speaker 4: a great affection for Venezuelan migrants. I've spent a lot
Speaker 4: of time in Caracas when I was younger, and I've
Speaker 4: spent a lot of time with them in the Darien
Speaker 4: Gap and then when they arrive in the United States,
Speaker 4: and yeah, it's really fucking heartbreaking to hear. Like, when
Speaker 4: you think of three hundred and fifty thousand people, understand
Speaker 4: that a good number of those people will be little children, right,
Speaker 4: people who never had any agency, People whose parents risked
Speaker 4: their lives to give their kids a chance at a
Speaker 4: better future, and that's been ripped away from them right
Speaker 4: now with the consent of the Supreme Court.
Speaker 5: Like, if you're removing three hundred, like dred thousand people
Speaker 5: from our country, that's just straight up and ethnic cleansing, Like,
Speaker 5: that's what that is.
Speaker 4: It's about a third of the Venezuelans living in the
Speaker 4: United States right now, right, Like, it's it's way more
Speaker 4: than decimating. Yeah, obviously we will see what legal recourses
Speaker 4: people have. We'll see how this goes down. But obviously
Speaker 4: very concerning for these people whose country is falling apart
Speaker 4: and being returned there will be terrible for them, right, Like,
Speaker 4: not only will they likely have none of their savings,
Speaker 4: all of the resources they poured into getting here, but
Speaker 4: they're also likely to face political persecution. So yeah, that's
Speaker 4: all the exciting and uplifting news I have from the
Speaker 4: immigration side of things. He everyone, it's James with a
Speaker 4: pickup today Me and man Now is reporting that the
Speaker 4: United States has deported twenty people since April. To Me
Speaker 4: and Maar. Most of those people, seven of them have
Speaker 4: been released. The remainder of those people are being held
Speaker 4: by Burmese military intelligence in a prison that is notorious
Speaker 4: for torture, sexual violence, and the general inhumane treatment of
Speaker 4: incarcerated people that we've become very familiar with in our
Speaker 4: writing about Me andma We don't know who these people
Speaker 4: are yet. Obviously, there's a story that I'm looking into
Speaker 4: and I will continue to get back to you on.
Speaker 4: But it seems like somehow we have not been aware
Speaker 4: of this until now, but dozens of people have been deported.
Speaker 4: They're saying that twenty seven people in total are expected
Speaker 4: to be deported, and twenty already have. So obviously this
Speaker 4: is very disturbing news and something we'll keep reporting on. Well.
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving us updated on that, James. We're going to go
Speaker 2: on break in return to talk about the FBI, Palestine,
Speaker 2: and some exciting new reality TV. I'm sad, okay, we
Speaker 2: are back. First, I want to do some quick updates
Speaker 2: about the FBI. A cash Battel has announced that he's
Speaker 2: shutting down the FBI's DC headquarters in dj Edgar Hoover Building.
Speaker 2: Around fifteen hundred agents will be transferred around the country.
Speaker 2: And in this same interview, Cash Hotel and Dan Bongino
Speaker 2: went on TV to say that Jeffrey Epstein died by
Speaker 2: suicide and of course Mega yax very normal to this.
Speaker 4: What do they have on this deepstick's gone to them?
Speaker 7: You said, Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.
Speaker 4: People don't believe it.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion.
Speaker 7: But as someone who has worked as a public defender,
Speaker 7: as a prosecutor, who's been in that prison system, who's
Speaker 7: been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing,
Speaker 7: you know a suicide when you see one, and that's.
Speaker 5: What that was.
Speaker 4: They killed himself.
Speaker 5: Again, you want me to get I've seen the whole file.
Speaker 5: He killed himself.
Speaker 1: I'm upset because I forgot that Dan Bongina was a person.
Speaker 2: Yea, let me too, Oh, I have not forgotten. This
Speaker 2: is my beat. I so yes, of course Mega is
Speaker 2: acting very normal about the affirmation that Epstein killed himself.
Speaker 5: Quote.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm losing confidence in them both. This is
Speaker 2: not good at all cool.
Speaker 3: Let me read one, Let me read one. Let's do this.
Speaker 3: This is fun.
Speaker 1: Sad to see Cash and Bengino have been compromised.
Speaker 5: Yeah, your turn, Dan, blink twice if they threatened you
Speaker 5: or your family.
Speaker 4: Now I got to do what right?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, deep state traitor d Ei.
Speaker 2: Higher Oh classic class.
Speaker 4: There it is, there, it is. I knew it was
Speaker 4: coming as much as he likes to wear his CU
Speaker 4: hunting gear.
Speaker 2: But no, there's there's thousands, thousands of comments from these
Speaker 2: like like mega Q people who feel feel the trade,
Speaker 2: that people like Patel and Bengino have spent years doing
Speaker 2: content creation talking about this grand Epstein conspiracy that now
Speaker 2: now they claim isn't real or they are in fact
Speaker 2: covering up the real conspiracy that that Donald Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: friends with Jeffrey Epstein's. So yeah. There's also an interview
Speaker 2: clip where where Trump I was asked if he was
Speaker 2: going to release the whole file, and at first he
Speaker 2: said yes, and then he caught himself and was like, well,
Speaker 2: actually no, we'll probably be we'll probably be careful about
Speaker 2: releasing the whole file because it could compromise people, Like
Speaker 2: what kind what kind of people you're talking about their
Speaker 2: don anyway, we have a chance.
Speaker 5: Of swinging the Epstein demographic. That is our time division
Speaker 5: to our enemies.
Speaker 3: The next thing of the doc is I found interesting Gerson.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is just one piece of uplifting news. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is I'm just gonna read the headline from VA
Speaker 2: because I simply can't improve on it.
Speaker 3: No, it's perfect.
Speaker 5: Quote.
Speaker 2: Suspected serial killer shouts out Trump in last words before
Speaker 2: he's put to death, Keep making America great. Glenn Rogers
Speaker 2: once told police he had killed about seventy people. He
Speaker 2: was executed by lethal injection Thursday in Florida.
Speaker 3: That's the way that I knew it would be Florida.
Speaker 2: Literally seconds before he got the lethal injection, he said,
Speaker 2: President Trump, keep making America great. I'm ready to go.
Speaker 4: Last words.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: So that kind of shows you the current, like wellspring
Speaker 2: of Trump's support right now. That's really hitting his prime
Speaker 2: demographic of suspected serial killers.
Speaker 4: I just have to.
Speaker 3: Say that had big Florida energy.
Speaker 4: For real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's time to hear the lucid lullaby
Speaker 2: of tariff talk.
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Speaker 5: You know, all right, before everything gets so so like
Speaker 5: I do the most depressing segment I've maybe ever done on.
Speaker 4: Here, tariffs that can't be true.
Speaker 5: No, not the teriff, but the next one I genuinely
Speaker 5: think is the most impressing secon I've ever done on here,
Speaker 5: but the tariffs. So our negotiations with China that we're
Speaker 5: supposed to like solve all of the tariff problems are
Speaker 5: already breaking down. Both sides are like sniping at each other.
Speaker 5: This is not gonna work. It structurally cannot work. That
Speaker 5: the US's demands the negotiating table, which is again the
Speaker 5: political we're economic rationale behind this, is that the US
Speaker 5: should not have a trade deficit with China that can't
Speaker 5: be solved, and it's already breaking down. The talks are
Speaker 5: going almost certainly going to fail, and we're going to
Speaker 5: be right back to where we were. It's also worth
Speaker 5: talking about a bunch of companies have been doing ice raises,
Speaker 5: and I think it's worth going back a little bit
Speaker 5: to some of the some of the economic work we've
Speaker 5: done in this show with the people as Strange Manners
Speaker 5: and talking about in our previous episodes about inflation about
Speaker 5: how price works, because this is really really badly understood
Speaker 5: by just about everyone, which is that the way that
Speaker 5: people think about tend to think about price is as like, okay,
Speaker 5: it's supply and demand. There's two axes they meet in
Speaker 5: a graph. That's not how price is set. Price is
Speaker 5: set by like specific people in supply chains, right, Like,
Speaker 5: they're constrained by certain factors. And one of the biggest things,
Speaker 5: and one of the things, the biggest things they're constrained about,
Speaker 5: is that if you raise prices, people get pissed at you.
Speaker 5: But the way that they actually do pricing strategies is
Speaker 5: cost plus markup. Right, There's a cost of the physical
Speaker 5: good and then they do a markup and the markup
Speaker 5: is a profit margin. And the thing about tariffs, right,
Speaker 5: is that the way the tariffs affect supply chains is
Speaker 5: that each part of the supply chain now that's moving,
Speaker 5: that's importing stuff, right, each part of those things now
Speaker 5: has an additional cost that they have to have to
Speaker 5: put into their costless markup.
Speaker 6: You.
Speaker 5: Now, Trump wants all these companies to just fucking eat
Speaker 5: shit and eat eat the price of the tariffs. He's
Speaker 5: been tweeting about this or posting a I think on
Speaker 5: truth social and possibly also on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Truth Again, all of his truths have been re reposted
Speaker 2: on exos.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, retruthed.
Speaker 5: But the thing is right and in theory, right, like
Speaker 5: Walmart could just like take this right in theory, like
Speaker 5: like you know, like they're really some of the really
Speaker 5: really big companies could in theory do this. They won't,
Speaker 5: like they a lot of any other. Thing is like
Speaker 5: these companies have an incentive not to raise prices because
Speaker 5: it pisses consumers off. And also because Trump is just
Speaker 5: direct like directly threatening sanctions on companies that raise prices.
Speaker 5: Mattel for the people who make Barbie, said that they
Speaker 5: were going to raise prices on toys and Trump is
Speaker 5: now threatening them with one hundred per sanctions or one
Speaker 5: hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Tariffs only three dolls.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's you know, the government limited dolls, completely
Speaker 5: hindish situation. We've gotten here. We're gonna have doll quotas. Uh.
Speaker 5: But you know again again it's it's worth men right
Speaker 5: that like in theory, for a little bit of time,
Speaker 5: some of these companies can sort of eat this or
Speaker 5: they can fuck with their supply chains and the company
Speaker 5: has been publicly talking about this. The problem is the suppliers,
Speaker 5: because the distributors tend to have pretty high margins, right,
Speaker 5: like your Walgreens, like Amazon a sub except like their
Speaker 5: margins are okay, and like Amazon makes most of us
Speaker 5: money from government computing contracts in any ways, so it's
Speaker 5: not as catastrophic. But the suppliers operate on very low margins.
Speaker 5: The shipping companies, everything else along the supply chain operates
Speaker 5: on really really low margins, right, And those people have
Speaker 5: to raise their price because otherwise they are just going
Speaker 5: to die. And when they raise their price right in,
Speaker 5: that's an increase to the next company's costless markup, which
Speaker 5: increases the next company's costless market, which decreases the next companies.
Speaker 5: And we're starting to see this ripple to the supply chain.
Speaker 5: Things are disappearing from grocery stores. They're going to continue
Speaker 5: disappearing from grocery stores. And as as this goes on,
Speaker 5: and as presumably the terrifts from China come back into
Speaker 5: effect when these negotiations break down and the next round
Speaker 5: of tariffs goes into effect, and deliberate day tariff's come
Speaker 5: off their ninety day pause and go to effect. This
Speaker 5: is all gonna get worse. This this has been tariff
Speaker 5: talk lovely. Uh, this unfortunately was the fun part of
Speaker 5: the episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna get worse Free two one.
Speaker 5: Okay, So when I said this might be the bleakest
Speaker 5: segment I've ever done on this show, we need to
Speaker 5: do an update on Palestine because things have gotten ye. Like,
Speaker 5: when when I was kind of opening this episode, I
Speaker 5: thought it was gonna mostly be about Trump's plan to
Speaker 5: like deport the entire popular, like deport most of the
Speaker 5: population of Palestine to Libya. That's not even the immediate crisis.
Speaker 5: The immediate crisis is that, and that's this. That's not
Speaker 5: even sure what I'm saying the immediate crisis. Last week,
Speaker 5: I thought the crisis was going to be the eleven
Speaker 5: week blucket of Gaza and the fact that everyone is
Speaker 5: about to starve. Yeah, and so the actual specific thing
Speaker 5: that we're getting to right now is Israel. It is
Speaker 5: attempting to evacuate. That's their wording. What they're actually doing
Speaker 5: is ethnically cleansing basically the entire population of Conunis by
Speaker 5: just forcing everyone out of the city. Right. The United
Speaker 5: Nations has said that Nearly one hundred thousand Palestinians have
Speaker 5: been displaced in Gaza in the last four days as
Speaker 5: Israel has been expanding its its ground invasion to the
Speaker 5: Gaza strip. This has been combined with the eleven week
Speaker 5: long blockade of Gaza. I think by the end of
Speaker 5: this week, the week twelve, this has set off an
Speaker 5: enormous risk of famine. I'm just going to read this
Speaker 5: from Al Jazeira. Quote some seventy days after the Israelian
Speaker 5: military halted the entry of food, water, medicine and all
Speaker 5: other life saving supplies into Gaza, the report said. This
Speaker 5: is a report from a UN a UN backset of
Speaker 5: food security group of analysts. The report said, quote goods
Speaker 5: indispensable for people's survivals survival are either depleted or expected
Speaker 5: to run out in the coming weeks. Quote. The entire
Speaker 5: population is facing high levels of acute food insecurity, with
Speaker 5: half a million people one in five facing starvation.
Speaker 4: It said.
Speaker 5: Approximately ninety three percent of Gaza's population is experience and
Speaker 5: seeing acute food shortages.
Speaker 3: It added.
Speaker 5: The report also said that like one in five people
Speaker 5: could starve between now and November. People have already started
Speaker 5: starving to death. Israel has been blocking aid from getting through.
Speaker 5: They symbolically allowed a small number of trucks in, but
Speaker 5: a groups on the ground, and I want to emphasize
Speaker 5: that this reporting is coming directly from the Times of Israel.
Speaker 5: If you want to understand how bad the situation is,
Speaker 5: the Times of Israel is reporting that A groups from
Speaker 5: the ground say that none of the IEA's gotten through
Speaker 5: and none of it has been distributed. This is I
Speaker 5: don't know how to convey how bad it is indescribable.
Speaker 5: Numbers of people are on the verge of starving to
Speaker 5: death in the Israelis are simply not letting any food arrive.
Speaker 5: They keep talking about how they're gonna let food arrive
Speaker 5: because this is actually this is the first thing I've
Speaker 5: seen them do that's actually seriously gotten. I mean not
Speaker 5: even seriously, but it's like gotten. A lot of their
Speaker 5: Western allies pissed at them because they're just very obviously
Speaker 5: trying to exterminate entire population by starving them the death.
Speaker 5: And this has caused the UK, Canada and France to
Speaker 5: issue a joint statement coming out against the Israeli policy
Speaker 5: and telling them to fucking stop and let food through.
Speaker 5: So these people don't starve. The UK is talking about
Speaker 5: suspending free trade agreements with Israel. They're talking about like
Speaker 5: sanctions at West Bank settlers. The whole group has threatened
Speaker 5: that they're going to take more actions unless the Israelis
Speaker 5: let food in. Now the Israelis, because of the Israelis
Speaker 5: shot at a bunch of diplomats who were visiting a
Speaker 5: refugee camp in Janine.
Speaker 4: This was like a few days ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a few days ago. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 5: so's that's not been like making anyone less angry at them.
Speaker 5: It's genuinely remarkable to we've reached a place where like
Speaker 5: the UK, Canada, in France, who are all major weapons
Speaker 5: suppliers to Israel, are like talking about sanctions, like even
Speaker 5: targeted actions, like yeah, you know, and like the UN's
Speaker 5: like Human Rights Commission was like, well, this is bullshit.
Speaker 5: You can't just targeted sanctions. It is the entire government
Speaker 5: doing this. But like, you know, the fact that they're
Speaker 5: doing something is an indicator of just how apocalyptically bad
Speaker 5: the situation is right now. Yeah, I want to read
Speaker 5: this quote from the Guardian from just perennial most fascist
Speaker 5: guy in the Israeli government.
Speaker 4: What's he's saying something?
Speaker 5: Yeah, who's their fucking finance minister who said, quote, now
Speaker 5: we conquer, cleanse, and stay until Hamas is destroyed. He
Speaker 5: told a news conference along the way, what remains of
Speaker 5: the strip is also being wiped out, cleans conquered, the
Speaker 5: normal things. To say, the extent to which they are
Speaker 5: simply doing a genocide here has reached a point where
Speaker 5: even a bunch of Israel's closest allies are going, what
Speaker 5: the fuck? I don't know. I really hope that people
Speaker 5: are able to force their governments to actually fucking do
Speaker 5: something about this, because if they don't, it's going to
Speaker 5: continue to get really bad. Yeah, And I mean I
Speaker 5: guess right now that's mostly like if you're in like
Speaker 5: the U, Canada or France and you think you can
Speaker 5: apply more pressure on your government, like, go for it.
Speaker 4: Do do it?
Speaker 8: Do that.
Speaker 5: Like, I don't know, I don't know to what extpt
Speaker 5: pressure can even be mounted on the Trump administration, but
Speaker 5: it's yeah, I think that's pretty much a dead end,
Speaker 5: right Yeah.
Speaker 4: But like, but seeing these countries align outside of any
Speaker 4: US influence to I potentially recognize the Palestinian state. According
Speaker 4: to Lamonde, right, like is significant And yeah, people in
Speaker 4: those countries should absolutely like stay in the streets.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because like like and this is this is the
Speaker 5: thing here, right, Like these countries the stuff that there's
Speaker 5: right evening stuff are threatening to do is not enough
Speaker 5: to really make a difference here. But like, if they're
Speaker 5: willing to do this, they can be pushed further.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So yeah, you have to get your foot in
Speaker 4: the door.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Carney has also seemed susceptible to this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: as there has been a block on arm steels to
Speaker 2: Israel for the past few months in Canada.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to close with another story of like
Speaker 2: anti humanity, but just a slightly different flavor. And I
Speaker 2: know this this does the show does often just end
Speaker 2: up feeling like a bad news round up, and that
Speaker 2: is because there's a lot of bad news.
Speaker 4: I have good news for the end. Actually that's a
Speaker 4: good thing.
Speaker 2: We'll have some good news, yeah, as a treat And
Speaker 2: part of the good news here is that this probably
Speaker 2: will not end up happening, but it's still useful insight
Speaker 2: into the minds of these ghouls. And I've long advocated
Speaker 2: that reality TV is basically inherently satanic. I think it's
Speaker 2: a spiritual darkness.
Speaker 5: This is offensive to Satanists.
Speaker 2: It is a spiritual darkness that has played the United
Speaker 2: States for far too long. I think it's ushered in
Speaker 2: a degree of evil that is nearly unfathomable. And the
Speaker 2: current administration is essentially a reality TV administration on a
Speaker 2: very clear and obvious level.
Speaker 1: Yes, but did I enjoy watching the Secret Lives of
Speaker 1: Mormon Wives?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: I did. I think watching it stuff is actually a
Speaker 2: personal moral failure. I think you're channeling darkness into your.
Speaker 3: Soul and loving it.
Speaker 2: Last week, cutiple outlets reported that the Department of Homeland
Speaker 2: Security was considering participating in a reality TV show where
Speaker 2: immigrants compete against each other to gain US citizenship. The
Speaker 2: proposed series would be called The American. This nightmare has
Speaker 2: been dreamed up by Duck Dynasty producer Rob Warsof, and
Speaker 2: apparently he's been trying to make this since Obama's second term,
Speaker 2: but only now has made progress on getting the necessary
Speaker 2: backing from the DHS. After sending Trump's DHS a thirty
Speaker 2: five page pitch, Warsof wants it to be quote unquote
Speaker 2: the biggest loser for immigration, which, again reality TV is
Speaker 2: inherently evil.
Speaker 3: That's fucking insane.
Speaker 2: It should not be tolerated on any aspect of human society. No,
Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal header reads, quote, this isn't the
Speaker 2: Hunger Games for immigrants, says the producer behind the pitch.
Speaker 2: If you have to say this isn't the Hunger Games
Speaker 2: for immigrants, that means this is the Hunger Games for immigrants.
Speaker 2: Getting a lot of questions about my this isn't the
Speaker 2: Hunger Games for Immigrants shirt already answered by the shirt
Speaker 2: to quote the Wall Street Journal quote. DHS spokeswoman Tricia
Speaker 2: McLoughlin said that she had spoken to the producer of
Speaker 2: the proposed television reality show and that consideration of the
Speaker 2: idea was ongoing. It is quote in the very beginning
Speaker 2: stages of that vetting process, she said, adding that quote
Speaker 2: each proposal undergoes a thorough vetting process prior to denial
Speaker 2: or approval unquote. McLoughlin was also quoted in The Daily
Speaker 2: Mail as saying she thought the television show was quote
Speaker 2: unquote a good idea.
Speaker 5: Jesus, Jesus.
Speaker 2: The pitch details that the immigrant contestants would board a
Speaker 2: train called the American and ride across the country to
Speaker 2: meet quote unquote interesting Americans and learn about the local
Speaker 2: history and culture, while competing in regions Pacific quote unquote
Speaker 2: heritage challenges to prove they are the most American. Such
Speaker 2: cultural contests include balancing on logs in Wisconsin, building a
Speaker 2: rocket at the Florida NASA headquarters, assembling a model t
Speaker 2: Ford in Detroit, and collecting gold in a San Francisco
Speaker 2: mine shaft. Prizes would be quote unquote iconically American, like
Speaker 2: one million American Airlines points, a ten thousand dollars Starbucks
Speaker 2: gift card, or a lifetime supply of seventy six gas.
Speaker 2: Immigrants would be split into teams that compete head to
Speaker 2: head across one hour episodes, ending with an elimination challenge,
Speaker 2: followed by a town hall and a final vote to
Speaker 2: quote the producer quote along the way, we will be
Speaker 2: reminded what it means to be American through the eyes
Speaker 2: of people who wanted most unquote.
Speaker 4: I feel like even this will will humanize migration to
Speaker 4: the United States too much for them. They're like that
Speaker 4: they will be afraid of that, like of these people
Speaker 4: articulating the desire to be here and what it means
Speaker 4: to them and I feel like that that doesn't end
Speaker 4: well for the administration, that they this might.
Speaker 2: Be too liberal for the Trump administration.
Speaker 4: It could be too lip. I'm not even joking.
Speaker 5: This is a concept just should be the death knell
Speaker 5: for the idea of America. Like, oh, if America has
Speaker 5: an experiment, we tried it. It failed.
Speaker 2: This is the most America thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 5: Like, it's over. Yeah, as an experiment, the American Project
Speaker 5: was a fucking disaster, and we need to it needs
Speaker 5: to stop because this is what it's done. No more,
Speaker 5: no more American Project. The Hitch has pre vetted contestants.
Speaker 5: First arriving at Ellis Island a board a boat called
Speaker 5: the Citizenship, they are greeted by the show's host, quote,
Speaker 5: a famous naturalized American who was also born in another country. Unquote,
Speaker 5: the pitt recommends Sophia Verghera or Ryan Reynolds.
Speaker 2: Upon arriving. The host would gift to each of them
Speaker 2: a personalized baseball.
Speaker 4: Glove, America's pastime.
Speaker 1: There's no way Sophia Forgata or Ryan Reynolds would ever
Speaker 1: fucking do a show like this.
Speaker 3: That's batshit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I fucking hope.
Speaker 2: So to quote the producer's pitch. Quote will join in
Speaker 2: the laughter, tears, frustration, and joy hearing their backstories as
Speaker 2: we are reminded how amazing it is to be American
Speaker 2: through the eyes of twelve wonderful people who want nothing
Speaker 2: more than to have what we have.
Speaker 4: Unquote.
Speaker 2: This is this is one of the most evil things
Speaker 2: I've ever I've ever heard of. Yeah, the live finale
Speaker 2: would have the winner getting sworn in on the steps
Speaker 2: of the US Capitol by a quote top American politician
Speaker 2: or judge with F sixteen's flying overhead. Quote. There won't
Speaker 2: be a dry fuck me sorry, there won't be a
Speaker 2: dry eye in the house unquote.
Speaker 4: There have actually been like high spectacle single individual awards
Speaker 4: of citizenship before I'm thinking for example, Hermann Bodger was
Speaker 4: a He's often known as like the one man Army
Speaker 4: of boona John Botcher. He was, I believe, living as
Speaker 4: an undocumented person in the United States when he joined
Speaker 4: the Abraham Lincoln Brigade volunteered to fight in the Spanish
Speaker 4: Civil War, where he was an officer. He then joined
Speaker 4: the United States military and fort again in World War Two.
Speaker 4: During the Battle of Boone, he personally led a charge
Speaker 4: against several Japanese pillboxes, which he eliminated with grenades. He
Speaker 4: then had his ear drum perforated and I believe he
Speaker 4: was shot in the arm. He was awarded, I think
Speaker 4: he wasn't ordered the Medal of Honor. He was recognized
Speaker 4: for his bravery. Congress pass and act to make him
Speaker 4: a citizen, and he declined to attend a ceremony because
Speaker 4: he wanted to get back to the front lines. That rules. Yeah,
Speaker 4: bit of a legend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit cooler than the live Grand finale
Speaker 2: of the American The pitch clarified that the losers would
Speaker 2: not be immediately deported and that the contestants would have
Speaker 2: a leg up in applying for citizenship the more traditional
Speaker 2: way based on being pre vetted for this show. So
Speaker 2: it's good that it's good that he had to clarify
Speaker 2: that they would not be immediately deported upon getting eliminated.
Speaker 2: That's a good sign.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, another thing that you should always have to
Speaker 4: carifind a TV page.
Speaker 2: At a Tuesday congressional hearing, Christinom denied having knowledge of
Speaker 2: the reality TV show despite reporting to the contrary, while
Speaker 2: also defining hebeas corpus in this hearing as a quote
Speaker 2: constitutional right that the president has to be able to
Speaker 2: remove people from this country unquote.
Speaker 4: So there you go. Yeah, that's not what that means.
Speaker 2: Christinome is a disaster that it's kind of the opposite
Speaker 2: of what Abey's corpus is. And there is some central
Speaker 2: reporting showing that DHS staff are looking at this pitch.
Speaker 2: It might not go through now based on all this backlash,
Speaker 2: but they were looking through the pitch, including possibly Corey Lewandowski.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that is the reality TV news. James, Do
Speaker 2: you have anything anything to end on here is James? Please?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know something, something a little bit nice. So
Speaker 4: for those of you who like me, enjoy a strawberry ice.
Speaker 4: Agents arrived at the West Coast Berry Farms facility in Oxnard, California,
Speaker 4: earlier this month, where they were met by a gatekeeper
Speaker 4: who demanded a warrant and refused to let them enter
Speaker 4: the facility without one, and eventually managed to turn them away.
Speaker 4: So this is a rare dub I guess clearly, as
Speaker 4: we enter the time of year when things need to
Speaker 4: be picked in the fields, this will be a place
Speaker 4: where I sees the opportunity to conduct its enforcement operations,
Speaker 4: and like it is genuinely positive to see that this company,
Speaker 4: I guess, critical support to this company that obviously underpays
Speaker 4: and takes advantage of migrant labor that they have provided them.
Speaker 4: According to an anonymous source in sf Gate with know
Speaker 4: your Rights training, and in this case, the gatekeeper was
Speaker 4: able to not let the ICE agents enter and eventually
Speaker 4: they left.
Speaker 2: Like ICE isn't impervious. Like all week, ICE has been
Speaker 2: releasing statements complaining about being compared to to the to
Speaker 2: the Gestapo.
Speaker 4: Well once again, right, like another thing that you shouldn't
Speaker 4: have to be releasing statements about.
Speaker 2: I am not the Gestapo. Shirt has people asking a
Speaker 2: lot of questions. Yeah, and they're also publishing false stats
Speaker 2: about ICE officers being assaulted in the line of duty.
Speaker 2: So like obviously they're facing some kind of like fear
Speaker 2: even among their own agents. That's why they're all like
Speaker 2: covered up wherever they go. They're trying to prosecute people
Speaker 2: for posting information and on ICE agents in your area.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but like I say, they're not impervious. There
Speaker 4: is a difference between a judicial warrant and a warrant
Speaker 4: that ICE has essentially made itself, right, the latter not
Speaker 4: being signed by a judge. And it appears that the
Speaker 4: gatekeeper was aware of that. We still have courts, You still,
Speaker 4: in theory have rights, and you know, well it depends,
Speaker 4: but yes, yeah, yeah, theoretically that was a pivotal word.
Speaker 4: But yeah, shout out to the gatekeepers at the Oxnard
Speaker 4: Strawberry Plant.
Speaker 5: And they could be stopped by a door keeper. Like,
Speaker 5: they can be resisted, they can be stopped from doing things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like it is genuinely important that this person
Speaker 4: understood the difference between a judicial warrant and these documents
Speaker 4: that ICE might produce. And it does illustrate the value
Speaker 4: of being educated and educating people in your communities about
Speaker 4: these things if they might be at risk for this.
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