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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here. Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 2: and what it means for you. I'm Garson Davis. Today

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Sophie Lichterman.

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Speaker 2: This episode, we are covering the week of May fifteen

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Speaker 2: to May twenty. First, Joe Biden has prostate cancer. There's

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Speaker 2: anti natalist terrorism, and the DHS is maybe gonna do

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Speaker 2: a reality TV show. Probably not, but it's a bad plan.

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Speaker 2: How are we doing this week?

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Speaker 3: That's a trifector from hell.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so bad.

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Speaker 5: This one's so bad. It's really I have to do

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Speaker 5: the laughing like right here, because good Lord, like, oh

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Speaker 5: many many of these weeks are bad. This one's particularly bad.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, DHS reality show.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to that at the at the ending segment. Sure, Hey,

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Speaker 2: this is Gear from the Future cutting in. We recorded

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Speaker 2: this a few hours before some pretty major news, the

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Speaker 2: shooting of two Israeli embassy staff in DC. We will

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Speaker 2: be talking about this in next week's Executive Disorder, as

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Speaker 2: well as the new budget bill, which targets trends healthcare.

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Speaker 2: Now back to the episode, I think let's start with,

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Speaker 2: you know, a brief acknowledgment of Joe Biden's prostate cancer.

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Speaker 2: What was Jill doing to him? Oh my god, Garrison.

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Speaker 4: You could have said that at the bottom, man, you didn't.

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Speaker 2: I'm allowed to say that because I'm the most gay,

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Speaker 2: guye coded person on the podcast, which is saying something

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Speaker 2: so so yes then and now, because we live in

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Speaker 2: a truly sick world. Scott Adams couldn't even let.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't let him have his moment.

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Speaker 2: He couldn't even let Joe Biden have his moment. This

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Speaker 2: anti Biden hatred has transcended so far that's got Adams

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Speaker 2: couldn't even let Biden have this moment and announced the

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Speaker 2: same day that Scott Adams has the exact same type

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Speaker 2: of prostate cancer. So two down, Biden down, Dilbert down.

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Speaker 2: Big week for prostate cancer.

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Speaker 3: And boy, how do you have people been weird about

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Speaker 3: it on the internet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to get into how long he maybe

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Speaker 2: has known he's had it. He's he's had skin cancer

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Speaker 2: removed before. I think that ship has mostly sailed. I

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Speaker 2: think our opinions on Biden are pretty are pretty well,

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Speaker 2: pretty well documented. Yeah, so I don't think we can

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Speaker 5: Okay. The one important note that I will say is,

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Speaker 5: if you have a prostate get checked for prostate cancer. Yeah, like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: get the screening. It's good, it'll help.

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Speaker 4: You, unless you are over seventy five, in which case

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Speaker 4: I think most people don't get screened for it, right

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Speaker 4: because it's slow.

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Speaker 3: Gross.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure Biden's over seventy five.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why somewhat I thought it was somewhat remarkable

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Speaker 4: part of the issue there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all I can say is about once a

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Speaker 2: I have actually been thinking about the thank you Joe

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Speaker 3: And then the following the rest of the week not

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Speaker 2: It was wild anyways, So yeah, ri Ip Dilbert, I

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Speaker 2: guess let's move on to anti natalist terrorism. So I've

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Speaker 2: learned this week that people don't know what anti natalism is, which,

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Speaker 2: Anti natalism is the belief that procreation is unethical. This

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Speaker 2: No one was killed except for the perpetrator alleged for

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Speaker 2: as in a sequence of weird terrorism. This is something

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Speaker 2: later down the line. Right, this is not the first

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Speaker 5: I think that one, I think was the official inauguration

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I mean the gas leak here if you will, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the suspect, twenty five year old man named Guy Edwards Barks.

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Speaker 2: The FBI is calling this a quoe unquote intentional act

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Speaker 2: The building was severely damaged, but no embryos were harmed.

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Speaker 2: Investigators believe that the suspect attempted to live stream the bombing,

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Speaker 2: as a quote unquote pro mortalist.

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Speaker 4: Slightly slightly different, Yeah, correct.

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Speaker 2: It is more of an affirmative version of anti natalism,

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Speaker 2: He says, quote understand, your death is already guarantee and

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Speaker 2: All a pro mortalist is saying is let's make it

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Speaker 2: It can be lily to other philosophies that encourage like

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Speaker 2: On its website, he discussed his goal of quote sterilizing

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Speaker 2: His website also highlights other philosophies such as negative utilitarianism, ethlism,

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Speaker 2: So although it may seem quote unquote dark, it's the

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Speaker 2: Negative utilitarianism is something that comes up a few times

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Speaker 2: and there's going to be more suffering. So you should

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Speaker 2: both make choices in your own life that that may

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Speaker 5: This is the most barious shit I've ever heard of

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Speaker 2: Like a lot of this is in conversation with like

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Speaker 5: These these people shouldn't be allowed to use computers for

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Speaker 2: This is all like like deeply online stuff like these

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Speaker 2: Yes, this was This was the the bomber's best friend

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Speaker 5: This is the most. This is the most online like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to destroy the Internet.

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Speaker 2: A quote that he has on his website is quote,

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Speaker 2: And like this is a sentiment I hear even a

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Speaker 2: and this is this is getting increasingly common.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. I think it's a very different world

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Speaker 4: It's very it's very different.

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Speaker 5: I keep thinking about that Hunter S. Thompson quote about

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Speaker 1: Yes, also, just like that's a baffling place to suggest

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Speaker 1: somebody have that intimate or private of a conversation. It's

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Speaker 1: just such a violation of their human rights.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, many human rights being violated here. So yeah, I mean,

442
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 4: the US has a big base in Jibouti, right, so

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Speaker 4: I imagine that's why they're there. Remember that they have

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Speaker 4: that fifteen day period, So if DHS finds that they

445
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Speaker 4: don't have credible fear, then they will have fifteen days

446
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Speaker 4: right to bring another to reopen that. Where will they

447
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 4: be housed? Somewhere in fucking drabooty presumably if that's where

448
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Speaker 4: they are, right. There are many many unanswered questions at

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Speaker 4: this point. Now, last night we learned that one of

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Speaker 4: the Burmese people, it appears that there are two Burmese people.

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Speaker 4: We know this because the Department of Homeland Security today

452
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Speaker 4: started tweeting mugshots of these people Jesus yeah and uh wow, yeah,

453
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Speaker 4: claiming that they were convicted of various crimes. Among them

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Speaker 4: were two Burmese men and m appears to be Nio

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Speaker 4: Miant and the other appears to be Cure Mea. Both

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Speaker 4: of these men have been accused of various a big convicted,

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Speaker 4: I believe of sex crimes, and that's where they got

458
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Speaker 4: their removal orders. Other people among the dozen or so

459
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Speaker 4: people on the plane have been convicted of some of

460
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Speaker 4: them like one of them is South Sudanese and he

461
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Speaker 4: was convicted of removing the serial number from a firearm

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Speaker 4: and of armed robbery, others, murder, and and various other

463
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Speaker 4: fairly serious crimes. Right, none of that means that you

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Speaker 4: should just get dumped in South Sudan, right that it's

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Speaker 4: not a punishment in US law. It is not a

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Speaker 4: morally or legally acceptable thing to do.

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Speaker 3: It's just truly baffling, honestly. Like that, that's what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: That's the move.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the move is to send themselves Sudan where It's

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Speaker 4: worth noting that South Sudan's government have said it will

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Speaker 4: probably send these people back to their home countries. Sure,

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Speaker 4: evidently the reason they are not being sent there is

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Speaker 4: because they have articulated a fear of going there, or

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Speaker 4: they have protection. It's called withholding of removal right, so

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Speaker 4: they can't be removed to that country and basically that

476
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Speaker 4: is where at evidents they manage to remove. Apparently somebody

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Speaker 4: to Burma today or late last night. I'm still waiting

478
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Speaker 4: on my sources in me and mart to confirm that

479
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Speaker 4: they the Burmese hunter is as leaky as a sieve. Right,

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Speaker 4: If those people are land that we will know about

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Speaker 4: it pretty soon. We have pretty good sources in Burma,

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Speaker 4: so if that happens, we will know. They also discussed

483
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 4: another party, right, someone who goes by OCG, a gay

484
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Speaker 4: guatemrlon man who asserted credible fear of being returned while

485
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Speaker 4: in immigration court. He was deported to Mexico, where he

486
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Speaker 4: also asserted credible fear. Mexico gave him a choice of

487
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Speaker 4: remaining Mexico going to Guatemala. He went to Guatemala where

488
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Speaker 4: he is now in hiding. The DHS claimed he said

489
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Speaker 4: he didn't have credible fear, and then later reverse that

490
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Speaker 4: and said they didn't ask. So the judge is now

491
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Speaker 4: asking how on earth they got this conclusion he didn't

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Speaker 4: have credible fear and deported him. He's saying he might

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Speaker 4: potentially put DHS officers on the stand to explain how

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Speaker 4: this happened. In other immigration news, Ice just today this

495
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Speaker 4: is Wednesday has apparently been dismissing court cases against people

496
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Speaker 4: who turn up for hearing an immigration court and then

497
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Speaker 4: immediately arresting them. What the fuck right there.

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Speaker 3: In Jesus fucking Cross.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, it's a little unclear what the movie here,

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Speaker 4: but clearly they're trying to remove them in a more

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Speaker 4: expeditious way. Right, they have a court case, try to

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Speaker 4: remove this person, they're saying.

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Speaker 2: Because the court case has, like you know, a certain

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Speaker 2: amount of time needs to process. If they dismiss the

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Speaker 2: court case, then.

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Speaker 4: They may have a right to appeal and yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: If it's dismissed, then they can expedite other like non

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Speaker 2: judicial removal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well they can do what they're doing here. Yeah,

510
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Speaker 4: they can try and get and run people out before

511
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 4: they have a chance to get to their lawyer. Right.

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Speaker 4: Like that seems to be the underlying team of all

513
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Speaker 4: of these things, which is that your due process and

514
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 4: your right under the law are two time consuming, So

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00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 4: we're going to try and make an run around your

516
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Speaker 4: rights by sending you to somewhere fucking horrific. That is

517
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Speaker 4: the underlying theme here. Unfortunately, this removal will likely now

518
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Speaker 4: affect a lot more people because a Trump administration has

519
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Speaker 4: removed the twenty twenty three Temporary Protected Status of Thenezualan People.

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Speaker 4: We talked about TPSS in my Darian series. The TPS

521
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Speaker 4: provides protection from deportation to people who are already present

522
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Speaker 4: in the US when it passes. Generally, it's if a

523
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 4: country has experienced war or other like instability that makes

524
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Speaker 4: it dangerous. You have to apply for the TPS. They

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00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 4: don't provide a pathway to permanence or citizenship, but they

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00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 4: do give people work authorization and they often have to

527
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Speaker 4: be frequently renewed by the Executive branch. You have to

528
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 4: be in the US the day it's issued, so you

529
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 4: can't enter after. Despite what you might have seen on

530
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Speaker 4: Twitter or whatever, that's not the case right. It also

531
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Speaker 4: doesn't count as a legal entry, so you can't use

532
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 4: the bridge to a green card. Trump stripped this protection

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Speaker 4: from about three hundred and fifty thousand Venezuelans under the

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty three TPS. This does not impact There are

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Speaker 4: two different tps's for Venezuelan people. They're in a bit

536
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Speaker 4: of a unique situation. The quarter of a million people

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Speaker 4: covered by the twenty twenty one TPS are still for

538
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 4: now covered by that, but it doesn't exactly bode well

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Speaker 4: for them. Right. This appears to be the largest blanket

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Speaker 4: removal of legal status from a group of people in

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Speaker 4: the United States history. And it's a little clear what

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Speaker 4: this means for the three hundred and fifty thousand Venezuelan

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Speaker 4: people currently residing in the US under TPS. Right, but

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Speaker 4: it's another case of like, by their compliance, isolutorly probably

545
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 4: knows where they live. So these people, it's possible that

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Speaker 4: we will see deportations of these people back to Venezuela. Again,

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Speaker 4: the situation in Venezuela is dire.

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Speaker 3: It's a place where just so many people too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And like I think again, if people haven't listened

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Speaker 4: to my Darien series, I would like that because I've

551
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 4: got a lot of myself into it. But I have

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00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 4: a great affection for Venezuelan migrants. I've spent a lot

553
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Speaker 4: of time in Caracas when I was younger, and I've

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Speaker 4: spent a lot of time with them in the Darien

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Speaker 4: Gap and then when they arrive in the United States,

556
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Speaker 4: and yeah, it's really fucking heartbreaking to hear. Like, when

557
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: you think of three hundred and fifty thousand people, understand

558
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 4: that a good number of those people will be little children, right,

559
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 4: people who never had any agency, People whose parents risked

560
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Speaker 4: their lives to give their kids a chance at a

561
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Speaker 4: better future, and that's been ripped away from them right

562
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Speaker 4: now with the consent of the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: Like, if you're removing three hundred, like dred thousand people

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Speaker 5: from our country, that's just straight up and ethnic cleansing, Like,

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Speaker 5: that's what that is.

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Speaker 4: It's about a third of the Venezuelans living in the

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Speaker 4: United States right now, right, Like, it's it's way more

568
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 4: than decimating. Yeah, obviously we will see what legal recourses

569
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: people have. We'll see how this goes down. But obviously

570
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 4: very concerning for these people whose country is falling apart

571
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 4: and being returned there will be terrible for them, right, Like,

572
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 4: not only will they likely have none of their savings,

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Speaker 4: all of the resources they poured into getting here, but

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00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: they're also likely to face political persecution. So yeah, that's

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Speaker 4: all the exciting and uplifting news I have from the

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Speaker 4: immigration side of things. He everyone, it's James with a

577
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Speaker 4: pickup today Me and man Now is reporting that the

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Speaker 4: United States has deported twenty people since April. To Me

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Speaker 4: and Maar. Most of those people, seven of them have

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Speaker 4: been released. The remainder of those people are being held

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Speaker 4: by Burmese military intelligence in a prison that is notorious

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Speaker 4: for torture, sexual violence, and the general inhumane treatment of

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Speaker 4: incarcerated people that we've become very familiar with in our

584
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Speaker 4: writing about Me andma We don't know who these people

585
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: are yet. Obviously, there's a story that I'm looking into

586
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Speaker 4: and I will continue to get back to you on.

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Speaker 4: But it seems like somehow we have not been aware

588
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Speaker 4: of this until now, but dozens of people have been deported.

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Speaker 4: They're saying that twenty seven people in total are expected

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Speaker 4: to be deported, and twenty already have. So obviously this

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Speaker 4: is very disturbing news and something we'll keep reporting on. Well.

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving us updated on that, James. We're going to go

593
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Speaker 2: on break in return to talk about the FBI, Palestine,

594
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Speaker 2: and some exciting new reality TV. I'm sad, okay, we

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00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: are back. First, I want to do some quick updates

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Speaker 2: about the FBI. A cash Battel has announced that he's

597
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: shutting down the FBI's DC headquarters in dj Edgar Hoover Building.

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Speaker 2: Around fifteen hundred agents will be transferred around the country.

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Speaker 2: And in this same interview, Cash Hotel and Dan Bongino

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Speaker 2: went on TV to say that Jeffrey Epstein died by

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Speaker 2: suicide and of course Mega yax very normal to this.

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Speaker 4: What do they have on this deepstick's gone to them?

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Speaker 7: You said, Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide.

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Speaker 4: People don't believe it.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, listen, they have a right to their opinion.

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Speaker 7: But as someone who has worked as a public defender,

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Speaker 7: as a prosecutor, who's been in that prison system, who's

608
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 7: been in the Metropolitan Detention Center, who's been in segregated housing,

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00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 7: you know a suicide when you see one, and that's.

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Speaker 5: What that was.

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Speaker 4: They killed himself.

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Speaker 5: Again, you want me to get I've seen the whole file.

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Speaker 5: He killed himself.

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Speaker 1: I'm upset because I forgot that Dan Bongina was a person.

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Speaker 2: Yea, let me too, Oh, I have not forgotten. This

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Speaker 2: is my beat. I so yes, of course Mega is

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Speaker 2: acting very normal about the affirmation that Epstein killed himself.

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Speaker 5: Quote.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now I'm losing confidence in them both. This is

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Speaker 2: not good at all cool.

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Speaker 3: Let me read one, Let me read one. Let's do this.

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Speaker 3: This is fun.

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Speaker 1: Sad to see Cash and Bengino have been compromised.

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00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, your turn, Dan, blink twice if they threatened you

625
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 5: or your family.

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00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: Now I got to do what right?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, deep state traitor d Ei.

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Speaker 2: Higher Oh classic class.

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Speaker 4: There it is, there, it is. I knew it was

631
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Speaker 4: coming as much as he likes to wear his CU

632
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Speaker 4: hunting gear.

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Speaker 2: But no, there's there's thousands, thousands of comments from these

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Speaker 2: like like mega Q people who feel feel the trade,

635
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: that people like Patel and Bengino have spent years doing

636
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: content creation talking about this grand Epstein conspiracy that now

637
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: now they claim isn't real or they are in fact

638
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: covering up the real conspiracy that that Donald Donald Trump's

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00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: friends with Jeffrey Epstein's. So yeah. There's also an interview

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Speaker 2: clip where where Trump I was asked if he was

641
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Speaker 2: going to release the whole file, and at first he

642
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: said yes, and then he caught himself and was like, well,

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Speaker 2: actually no, we'll probably be we'll probably be careful about

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Speaker 2: releasing the whole file because it could compromise people, Like

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Speaker 2: what kind what kind of people you're talking about their

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00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: don anyway, we have a chance.

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Speaker 5: Of swinging the Epstein demographic. That is our time division

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Speaker 5: to our enemies.

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Speaker 3: The next thing of the doc is I found interesting Gerson.

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Speaker 2: Oh, this is just one piece of uplifting news. Yeah,

651
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Speaker 2: this is I'm just gonna read the headline from VA

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Speaker 2: because I simply can't improve on it.

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Speaker 3: No, it's perfect.

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Speaker 5: Quote.

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Speaker 2: Suspected serial killer shouts out Trump in last words before

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Speaker 2: he's put to death, Keep making America great. Glenn Rogers

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Speaker 2: once told police he had killed about seventy people. He

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Speaker 2: was executed by lethal injection Thursday in Florida.

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Speaker 3: That's the way that I knew it would be Florida.

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Speaker 2: Literally seconds before he got the lethal injection, he said,

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Speaker 2: President Trump, keep making America great. I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 4: Last words.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So that kind of shows you the current, like wellspring

665
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Speaker 2: of Trump's support right now. That's really hitting his prime

666
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Speaker 2: demographic of suspected serial killers.

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Speaker 4: I just have to.

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Speaker 3: Say that had big Florida energy.

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Speaker 4: For real.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's time to hear the lucid lullaby

671
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Speaker 2: of tariff talk.

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Speaker 6: The lock locking jazz bo rocket jazz bot Sorry, locket

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Speaker 6: jazz bob locking jazz Bob.

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Speaker 5: You know, all right, before everything gets so so like

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Speaker 5: I do the most depressing segment I've maybe ever done on.

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Speaker 4: Here, tariffs that can't be true.

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Speaker 5: No, not the teriff, but the next one I genuinely

678
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Speaker 5: think is the most impressing secon I've ever done on here,

679
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 5: but the tariffs. So our negotiations with China that we're

680
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 5: supposed to like solve all of the tariff problems are

681
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 5: already breaking down. Both sides are like sniping at each other.

682
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Speaker 5: This is not gonna work. It structurally cannot work. That

683
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Speaker 5: the US's demands the negotiating table, which is again the

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Speaker 5: political we're economic rationale behind this, is that the US

685
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Speaker 5: should not have a trade deficit with China that can't

686
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Speaker 5: be solved, and it's already breaking down. The talks are

687
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Speaker 5: going almost certainly going to fail, and we're going to

688
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 5: be right back to where we were. It's also worth

689
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Speaker 5: talking about a bunch of companies have been doing ice raises,

690
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Speaker 5: and I think it's worth going back a little bit

691
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Speaker 5: to some of the some of the economic work we've

692
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Speaker 5: done in this show with the people as Strange Manners

693
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Speaker 5: and talking about in our previous episodes about inflation about

694
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Speaker 5: how price works, because this is really really badly understood

695
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Speaker 5: by just about everyone, which is that the way that

696
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 5: people think about tend to think about price is as like, okay,

697
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 5: it's supply and demand. There's two axes they meet in

698
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Speaker 5: a graph. That's not how price is set. Price is

699
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Speaker 5: set by like specific people in supply chains, right, Like,

700
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Speaker 5: they're constrained by certain factors. And one of the biggest things,

701
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Speaker 5: and one of the things, the biggest things they're constrained about,

702
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Speaker 5: is that if you raise prices, people get pissed at you.

703
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 5: But the way that they actually do pricing strategies is

704
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Speaker 5: cost plus markup. Right, There's a cost of the physical

705
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: good and then they do a markup and the markup

706
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Speaker 5: is a profit margin. And the thing about tariffs, right,

707
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Speaker 5: is that the way the tariffs affect supply chains is

708
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Speaker 5: that each part of the supply chain now that's moving,

709
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Speaker 5: that's importing stuff, right, each part of those things now

710
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 5: has an additional cost that they have to have to

711
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Speaker 5: put into their costless markup.

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Speaker 6: You.

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Speaker 5: Now, Trump wants all these companies to just fucking eat

714
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Speaker 5: shit and eat eat the price of the tariffs. He's

715
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Speaker 5: been tweeting about this or posting a I think on

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Speaker 5: truth social and possibly also on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Truth Again, all of his truths have been re reposted

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Speaker 2: on exos.

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Speaker 4: Now, yeah, retruthed.

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Speaker 5: But the thing is right and in theory, right, like

721
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Speaker 5: Walmart could just like take this right in theory, like

722
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Speaker 5: like you know, like they're really some of the really

723
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Speaker 5: really big companies could in theory do this. They won't,

724
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Speaker 5: like they a lot of any other. Thing is like

725
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Speaker 5: these companies have an incentive not to raise prices because

726
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Speaker 5: it pisses consumers off. And also because Trump is just

727
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Speaker 5: direct like directly threatening sanctions on companies that raise prices.

728
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Speaker 5: Mattel for the people who make Barbie, said that they

729
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Speaker 5: were going to raise prices on toys and Trump is

730
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Speaker 5: now threatening them with one hundred per sanctions or one

731
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Speaker 5: hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Tariffs only three dolls.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's you know, the government limited dolls, completely

734
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Speaker 5: hindish situation. We've gotten here. We're gonna have doll quotas. Uh.

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Speaker 5: But you know again again it's it's worth men right

736
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Speaker 5: that like in theory, for a little bit of time,

737
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Speaker 5: some of these companies can sort of eat this or

738
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Speaker 5: they can fuck with their supply chains and the company

739
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Speaker 5: has been publicly talking about this. The problem is the suppliers,

740
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Speaker 5: because the distributors tend to have pretty high margins, right,

741
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Speaker 5: like your Walgreens, like Amazon a sub except like their

742
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Speaker 5: margins are okay, and like Amazon makes most of us

743
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Speaker 5: money from government computing contracts in any ways, so it's

744
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Speaker 5: not as catastrophic. But the suppliers operate on very low margins.

745
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 5: The shipping companies, everything else along the supply chain operates

746
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Speaker 5: on really really low margins, right, And those people have

747
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Speaker 5: to raise their price because otherwise they are just going

748
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Speaker 5: to die. And when they raise their price right in,

749
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Speaker 5: that's an increase to the next company's costless markup, which

750
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Speaker 5: increases the next company's costless market, which decreases the next companies.

751
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Speaker 5: And we're starting to see this ripple to the supply chain.

752
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Speaker 5: Things are disappearing from grocery stores. They're going to continue

753
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Speaker 5: disappearing from grocery stores. And as as this goes on,

754
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Speaker 5: and as presumably the terrifts from China come back into

755
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Speaker 5: effect when these negotiations break down and the next round

756
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Speaker 5: of tariffs goes into effect, and deliberate day tariff's come

757
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Speaker 5: off their ninety day pause and go to effect. This

758
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Speaker 5: is all gonna get worse. This this has been tariff

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Speaker 5: talk lovely. Uh, this unfortunately was the fun part of

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Speaker 5: the episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna get worse Free two one.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So when I said this might be the bleakest

763
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Speaker 5: segment I've ever done on this show, we need to

764
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Speaker 5: do an update on Palestine because things have gotten ye. Like,

765
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 5: when when I was kind of opening this episode, I

766
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 5: thought it was gonna mostly be about Trump's plan to

767
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Speaker 5: like deport the entire popular, like deport most of the

768
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Speaker 5: population of Palestine to Libya. That's not even the immediate crisis.

769
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Speaker 5: The immediate crisis is that, and that's this. That's not

770
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Speaker 5: even sure what I'm saying the immediate crisis. Last week,

771
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Speaker 5: I thought the crisis was going to be the eleven

772
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Speaker 5: week blucket of Gaza and the fact that everyone is

773
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Speaker 5: about to starve. Yeah, and so the actual specific thing

774
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Speaker 5: that we're getting to right now is Israel. It is

775
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Speaker 5: attempting to evacuate. That's their wording. What they're actually doing

776
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Speaker 5: is ethnically cleansing basically the entire population of Conunis by

777
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Speaker 5: just forcing everyone out of the city. Right. The United

778
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Speaker 5: Nations has said that Nearly one hundred thousand Palestinians have

779
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Speaker 5: been displaced in Gaza in the last four days as

780
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Speaker 5: Israel has been expanding its its ground invasion to the

781
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Speaker 5: Gaza strip. This has been combined with the eleven week

782
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Speaker 5: long blockade of Gaza. I think by the end of

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Speaker 5: this week, the week twelve, this has set off an

784
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Speaker 5: enormous risk of famine. I'm just going to read this

785
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Speaker 5: from Al Jazeira. Quote some seventy days after the Israelian

786
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Speaker 5: military halted the entry of food, water, medicine and all

787
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Speaker 5: other life saving supplies into Gaza, the report said. This

788
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Speaker 5: is a report from a UN a UN backset of

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Speaker 5: food security group of analysts. The report said, quote goods

790
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Speaker 5: indispensable for people's survivals survival are either depleted or expected

791
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Speaker 5: to run out in the coming weeks. Quote. The entire

792
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Speaker 5: population is facing high levels of acute food insecurity, with

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Speaker 5: half a million people one in five facing starvation.

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Speaker 4: It said.

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Speaker 5: Approximately ninety three percent of Gaza's population is experience and

796
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Speaker 5: seeing acute food shortages.

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Speaker 3: It added.

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Speaker 5: The report also said that like one in five people

799
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Speaker 5: could starve between now and November. People have already started

800
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Speaker 5: starving to death. Israel has been blocking aid from getting through.

801
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Speaker 5: They symbolically allowed a small number of trucks in, but

802
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Speaker 5: a groups on the ground, and I want to emphasize

803
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Speaker 5: that this reporting is coming directly from the Times of Israel.

804
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Speaker 5: If you want to understand how bad the situation is,

805
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Speaker 5: the Times of Israel is reporting that A groups from

806
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Speaker 5: the ground say that none of the IEA's gotten through

807
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Speaker 5: and none of it has been distributed. This is I

808
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 5: don't know how to convey how bad it is indescribable.

809
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Speaker 5: Numbers of people are on the verge of starving to

810
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Speaker 5: death in the Israelis are simply not letting any food arrive.

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Speaker 5: They keep talking about how they're gonna let food arrive

812
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Speaker 5: because this is actually this is the first thing I've

813
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Speaker 5: seen them do that's actually seriously gotten. I mean not

814
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 5: even seriously, but it's like gotten. A lot of their

815
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 5: Western allies pissed at them because they're just very obviously

816
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Speaker 5: trying to exterminate entire population by starving them the death.

817
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Speaker 5: And this has caused the UK, Canada and France to

818
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Speaker 5: issue a joint statement coming out against the Israeli policy

819
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Speaker 5: and telling them to fucking stop and let food through.

820
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Speaker 5: So these people don't starve. The UK is talking about

821
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Speaker 5: suspending free trade agreements with Israel. They're talking about like

822
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Speaker 5: sanctions at West Bank settlers. The whole group has threatened

823
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Speaker 5: that they're going to take more actions unless the Israelis

824
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Speaker 5: let food in. Now the Israelis, because of the Israelis

825
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Speaker 5: shot at a bunch of diplomats who were visiting a

826
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Speaker 5: refugee camp in Janine.

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Speaker 4: This was like a few days ago.

828
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like a few days ago. Yeah, yeah, and

829
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Speaker 5: so's that's not been like making anyone less angry at them.

830
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Speaker 5: It's genuinely remarkable to we've reached a place where like

831
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Speaker 5: the UK, Canada, in France, who are all major weapons

832
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Speaker 5: suppliers to Israel, are like talking about sanctions, like even

833
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 5: targeted actions, like yeah, you know, and like the UN's

834
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Speaker 5: like Human Rights Commission was like, well, this is bullshit.

835
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Speaker 5: You can't just targeted sanctions. It is the entire government

836
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Speaker 5: doing this. But like, you know, the fact that they're

837
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Speaker 5: doing something is an indicator of just how apocalyptically bad

838
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Speaker 5: the situation is right now. Yeah, I want to read

839
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Speaker 5: this quote from the Guardian from just perennial most fascist

840
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Speaker 5: guy in the Israeli government.

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Speaker 4: What's he's saying something?

842
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, who's their fucking finance minister who said, quote, now

843
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 5: we conquer, cleanse, and stay until Hamas is destroyed. He

844
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 5: told a news conference along the way, what remains of

845
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 5: the strip is also being wiped out, cleans conquered, the

846
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 5: normal things. To say, the extent to which they are

847
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 5: simply doing a genocide here has reached a point where

848
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Speaker 5: even a bunch of Israel's closest allies are going, what

849
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 5: the fuck? I don't know. I really hope that people

850
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 5: are able to force their governments to actually fucking do

851
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 5: something about this, because if they don't, it's going to

852
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 5: continue to get really bad. Yeah, And I mean I

853
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 5: guess right now that's mostly like if you're in like

854
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 5: the U, Canada or France and you think you can

855
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 5: apply more pressure on your government, like, go for it.

856
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 4: Do do it?

857
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 8: Do that.

858
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Speaker 5: Like, I don't know, I don't know to what extpt

859
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 5: pressure can even be mounted on the Trump administration, but

860
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Speaker 5: it's yeah, I think that's pretty much a dead end,

861
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Speaker 5: right Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But like, but seeing these countries align outside of any

863
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Speaker 4: US influence to I potentially recognize the Palestinian state. According

864
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Speaker 4: to Lamonde, right, like is significant And yeah, people in

865
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Speaker 4: those countries should absolutely like stay in the streets.

866
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Speaker 5: Yeah, because like like and this is this is the

867
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Speaker 5: thing here, right, Like these countries the stuff that there's

868
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 5: right evening stuff are threatening to do is not enough

869
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Speaker 5: to really make a difference here. But like, if they're

870
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Speaker 5: willing to do this, they can be pushed further.

871
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Speaker 4: Yeah. So yeah, you have to get your foot in

872
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Speaker 4: the door.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Carney has also seemed susceptible to this, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: as there has been a block on arm steels to

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Speaker 2: Israel for the past few months in Canada.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to close with another story of like

878
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: anti humanity, but just a slightly different flavor. And I

879
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: know this this does the show does often just end

880
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: up feeling like a bad news round up, and that

881
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: is because there's a lot of bad news.

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Speaker 4: I have good news for the end. Actually that's a

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Speaker 4: good thing.

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Speaker 2: We'll have some good news, yeah, as a treat And

885
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: part of the good news here is that this probably

886
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: will not end up happening, but it's still useful insight

887
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: into the minds of these ghouls. And I've long advocated

888
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: that reality TV is basically inherently satanic. I think it's

889
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: a spiritual darkness.

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Speaker 5: This is offensive to Satanists.

891
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Speaker 2: It is a spiritual darkness that has played the United

892
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Speaker 2: States for far too long. I think it's ushered in

893
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Speaker 2: a degree of evil that is nearly unfathomable. And the

894
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Speaker 2: current administration is essentially a reality TV administration on a

895
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Speaker 2: very clear and obvious level.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but did I enjoy watching the Secret Lives of

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Speaker 1: Mormon Wives?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I did. I think watching it stuff is actually a

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Speaker 2: personal moral failure. I think you're channeling darkness into your.

901
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Speaker 3: Soul and loving it.

902
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Speaker 2: Last week, cutiple outlets reported that the Department of Homeland

903
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Speaker 2: Security was considering participating in a reality TV show where

904
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Speaker 2: immigrants compete against each other to gain US citizenship. The

905
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Speaker 2: proposed series would be called The American. This nightmare has

906
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Speaker 2: been dreamed up by Duck Dynasty producer Rob Warsof, and

907
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Speaker 2: apparently he's been trying to make this since Obama's second term,

908
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Speaker 2: but only now has made progress on getting the necessary

909
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Speaker 2: backing from the DHS. After sending Trump's DHS a thirty

910
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Speaker 2: five page pitch, Warsof wants it to be quote unquote

911
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Speaker 2: the biggest loser for immigration, which, again reality TV is

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Speaker 2: inherently evil.

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Speaker 3: That's fucking insane.

914
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Speaker 2: It should not be tolerated on any aspect of human society. No,

915
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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal header reads, quote, this isn't the

916
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Speaker 2: Hunger Games for immigrants, says the producer behind the pitch.

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Speaker 2: If you have to say this isn't the Hunger Games

918
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Speaker 2: for immigrants, that means this is the Hunger Games for immigrants.

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Speaker 2: Getting a lot of questions about my this isn't the

920
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Speaker 2: Hunger Games for Immigrants shirt already answered by the shirt

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Speaker 2: to quote the Wall Street Journal quote. DHS spokeswoman Tricia

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Speaker 2: McLoughlin said that she had spoken to the producer of

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Speaker 2: the proposed television reality show and that consideration of the

924
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Speaker 2: idea was ongoing. It is quote in the very beginning

925
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Speaker 2: stages of that vetting process, she said, adding that quote

926
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Speaker 2: each proposal undergoes a thorough vetting process prior to denial

927
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Speaker 2: or approval unquote. McLoughlin was also quoted in The Daily

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Speaker 2: Mail as saying she thought the television show was quote

929
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Speaker 2: unquote a good idea.

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Speaker 5: Jesus, Jesus.

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Speaker 2: The pitch details that the immigrant contestants would board a

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Speaker 2: train called the American and ride across the country to

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Speaker 2: meet quote unquote interesting Americans and learn about the local

934
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Speaker 2: history and culture, while competing in regions Pacific quote unquote

935
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Speaker 2: heritage challenges to prove they are the most American. Such

936
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Speaker 2: cultural contests include balancing on logs in Wisconsin, building a

937
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Speaker 2: rocket at the Florida NASA headquarters, assembling a model t

938
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Speaker 2: Ford in Detroit, and collecting gold in a San Francisco

939
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Speaker 2: mine shaft. Prizes would be quote unquote iconically American, like

940
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Speaker 2: one million American Airlines points, a ten thousand dollars Starbucks

941
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Speaker 2: gift card, or a lifetime supply of seventy six gas.

942
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Speaker 2: Immigrants would be split into teams that compete head to

943
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Speaker 2: head across one hour episodes, ending with an elimination challenge,

944
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Speaker 2: followed by a town hall and a final vote to

945
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Speaker 2: quote the producer quote along the way, we will be

946
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Speaker 2: reminded what it means to be American through the eyes

947
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Speaker 2: of people who wanted most unquote.

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Speaker 4: I feel like even this will will humanize migration to

949
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Speaker 4: the United States too much for them. They're like that

950
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Speaker 4: they will be afraid of that, like of these people

951
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Speaker 4: articulating the desire to be here and what it means

952
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Speaker 4: to them and I feel like that that doesn't end

953
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Speaker 4: well for the administration, that they this might.

954
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Speaker 2: Be too liberal for the Trump administration.

955
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Speaker 4: It could be too lip. I'm not even joking.

956
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Speaker 5: This is a concept just should be the death knell

957
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Speaker 5: for the idea of America. Like, oh, if America has

958
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Speaker 5: an experiment, we tried it. It failed.

959
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Speaker 2: This is the most America thing I've ever heard.

960
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Speaker 5: Like, it's over. Yeah, as an experiment, the American Project

961
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Speaker 5: was a fucking disaster, and we need to it needs

962
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Speaker 5: to stop because this is what it's done. No more,

963
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Speaker 5: no more American Project. The Hitch has pre vetted contestants.

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Speaker 5: First arriving at Ellis Island a board a boat called

965
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Speaker 5: the Citizenship, they are greeted by the show's host, quote,

966
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Speaker 5: a famous naturalized American who was also born in another country. Unquote,

967
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Speaker 5: the pitt recommends Sophia Verghera or Ryan Reynolds.

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Speaker 2: Upon arriving. The host would gift to each of them

969
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Speaker 2: a personalized baseball.

970
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Speaker 4: Glove, America's pastime.

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Speaker 1: There's no way Sophia Forgata or Ryan Reynolds would ever

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Speaker 1: fucking do a show like this.

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Speaker 3: That's batshit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I fucking hope.

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Speaker 2: So to quote the producer's pitch. Quote will join in

976
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Speaker 2: the laughter, tears, frustration, and joy hearing their backstories as

977
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Speaker 2: we are reminded how amazing it is to be American

978
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Speaker 2: through the eyes of twelve wonderful people who want nothing

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Speaker 2: more than to have what we have.

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Speaker 4: Unquote.

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Speaker 2: This is this is one of the most evil things

982
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: I've ever I've ever heard of. Yeah, the live finale

983
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 2: would have the winner getting sworn in on the steps

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Speaker 2: of the US Capitol by a quote top American politician

985
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 2: or judge with F sixteen's flying overhead. Quote. There won't

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Speaker 2: be a dry fuck me sorry, there won't be a

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Speaker 2: dry eye in the house unquote.

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Speaker 4: There have actually been like high spectacle single individual awards

989
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Speaker 4: of citizenship before I'm thinking for example, Hermann Bodger was

990
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 4: a He's often known as like the one man Army

991
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 4: of boona John Botcher. He was, I believe, living as

992
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Speaker 4: an undocumented person in the United States when he joined

993
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Speaker 4: the Abraham Lincoln Brigade volunteered to fight in the Spanish

994
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: Civil War, where he was an officer. He then joined

995
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 4: the United States military and fort again in World War Two.

996
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 4: During the Battle of Boone, he personally led a charge

997
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 4: against several Japanese pillboxes, which he eliminated with grenades. He

998
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 4: then had his ear drum perforated and I believe he

999
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Speaker 4: was shot in the arm. He was awarded, I think

1000
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Speaker 4: he wasn't ordered the Medal of Honor. He was recognized

1001
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 4: for his bravery. Congress pass and act to make him

1002
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Speaker 4: a citizen, and he declined to attend a ceremony because

1003
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Speaker 4: he wanted to get back to the front lines. That rules. Yeah,

1004
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 4: bit of a legend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit cooler than the live Grand finale

1006
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: of the American The pitch clarified that the losers would

1007
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Speaker 2: not be immediately deported and that the contestants would have

1008
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Speaker 2: a leg up in applying for citizenship the more traditional

1009
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: way based on being pre vetted for this show. So

1010
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: it's good that it's good that he had to clarify

1011
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: that they would not be immediately deported upon getting eliminated.

1012
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 2: That's a good sign.

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00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, another thing that you should always have to

1014
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 4: carifind a TV page.

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Speaker 2: At a Tuesday congressional hearing, Christinom denied having knowledge of

1016
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: the reality TV show despite reporting to the contrary, while

1017
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 2: also defining hebeas corpus in this hearing as a quote

1018
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: constitutional right that the president has to be able to

1019
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: remove people from this country unquote.

1020
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Speaker 4: So there you go. Yeah, that's not what that means.

1021
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: Christinome is a disaster that it's kind of the opposite

1022
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: of what Abey's corpus is. And there is some central

1023
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: reporting showing that DHS staff are looking at this pitch.

1024
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Speaker 2: It might not go through now based on all this backlash,

1025
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Speaker 2: but they were looking through the pitch, including possibly Corey Lewandowski.

1026
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Speaker 2: But yeah, that is the reality TV news. James, Do

1027
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Speaker 2: you have anything anything to end on here is James? Please?

1028
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know something, something a little bit nice. So

1029
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 4: for those of you who like me, enjoy a strawberry ice.

1030
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Speaker 4: Agents arrived at the West Coast Berry Farms facility in Oxnard, California,

1031
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: earlier this month, where they were met by a gatekeeper

1032
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Speaker 4: who demanded a warrant and refused to let them enter

1033
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 4: the facility without one, and eventually managed to turn them away.

1034
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Speaker 4: So this is a rare dub I guess clearly, as

1035
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Speaker 4: we enter the time of year when things need to

1036
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Speaker 4: be picked in the fields, this will be a place

1037
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Speaker 4: where I sees the opportunity to conduct its enforcement operations,

1038
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Speaker 4: and like it is genuinely positive to see that this company,

1039
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Speaker 4: I guess, critical support to this company that obviously underpays

1040
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 4: and takes advantage of migrant labor that they have provided them.

1041
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Speaker 4: According to an anonymous source in sf Gate with know

1042
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Speaker 4: your Rights training, and in this case, the gatekeeper was

1043
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 4: able to not let the ICE agents enter and eventually

1044
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 4: they left.

1045
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 2: Like ICE isn't impervious. Like all week, ICE has been

1046
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: releasing statements complaining about being compared to to the to

1047
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: the Gestapo.

1048
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Speaker 4: Well once again, right, like another thing that you shouldn't

1049
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 4: have to be releasing statements about.

1050
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Speaker 2: I am not the Gestapo. Shirt has people asking a

1051
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: lot of questions. Yeah, and they're also publishing false stats

1052
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 2: about ICE officers being assaulted in the line of duty.

1053
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 2: So like obviously they're facing some kind of like fear

1054
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: even among their own agents. That's why they're all like

1055
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 2: covered up wherever they go. They're trying to prosecute people

1056
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 2: for posting information and on ICE agents in your area.

1057
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but like I say, they're not impervious. There

1058
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 4: is a difference between a judicial warrant and a warrant

1059
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 4: that ICE has essentially made itself, right, the latter not

1060
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Speaker 4: being signed by a judge. And it appears that the

1061
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Speaker 4: gatekeeper was aware of that. We still have courts, You still,

1062
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Speaker 4: in theory have rights, and you know, well it depends,

1063
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 4: but yes, yeah, yeah, theoretically that was a pivotal word.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, shout out to the gatekeepers at the Oxnard

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Speaker 4: Strawberry Plant.

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Speaker 5: And they could be stopped by a door keeper. Like,

1067
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Speaker 5: they can be resisted, they can be stopped from doing things.

1068
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like it is genuinely important that this person

1069
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 4: understood the difference between a judicial warrant and these documents

1070
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Speaker 4: that ICE might produce. And it does illustrate the value

1071
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Speaker 4: of being educated and educating people in your communities about

1072
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Speaker 4: these things if they might be at risk for this.

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Speaker 4: All right, we reported the news.

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Speaker 3: Why howdy did we?

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Speaker 7: We reported the news.

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Speaker 8: It could happen Here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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