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Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This this he's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: springing live from the Dallas Cowboys World head Hours at

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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Bruns,

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. Good morning from the Star

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Speaker 1: in Frisco. Welcome to Talking Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage studio.

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, joined by Brian brought us across the table

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Speaker 1: from me and man, the attrician on the show keeps

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Speaker 1: piling up. Man, what you get when you're dealing with

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Speaker 1: a bunch of old men, you know. So I will

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Speaker 1: say this though, and you know that's it. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's nice though that you could. You know, we were

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Speaker 1: talking about, hey, we're not gonna have Bill for this time. Mickey,

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Speaker 1: you know, is dealing with some things and and you

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Speaker 1: know it's like, well, can we do the show just

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Speaker 1: a two man show? And I'm like, yeah, let's we

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Speaker 1: do two man show for half the show half the show.

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Speaker 1: Yea studio at some point, yeah, yeah, he's got TV obligations.

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Speaker 1: Mickey's still out, So we've got a couple empty chairs.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we're good. Now we'll figure it out. We

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Speaker 1: have so much to talk about it. We do, we do.

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Speaker 1: It's got a game week, as they always say, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for the first time in uh almost nine months, this

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Speaker 1: is a practice day for the regular season. Yeah, Cowboys

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Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, get practice day too. By the way,

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Speaker 1: a big one. Why is that? Well? You know, and

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Speaker 1: I mean you interrupt you there, but I was gonna

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Speaker 1: give it a little emphasis on this, uh this practice

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Speaker 1: day because the first week you kind of want to

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Speaker 1: figure out where guys are gonna play or who's going

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Speaker 1: to play. And then the Rico Gathers story. We've talked

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Speaker 1: about that him, Dalton Scholtz. Who's going to get the

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Speaker 1: most reps? There? You know, how the wide receiver rotation's

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Speaker 1: gonna work? You know, I mean we kind of any

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Speaker 1: camp it was it didn't seem like we were able

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Speaker 1: to get any type of a pattern to how things

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Speaker 1: were going to work out. A receiver, who's going to

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Speaker 1: be the starter? Where's hey, where does you know where

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Speaker 1: does Michael Gallup fit into this? Is he going to

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Speaker 1: be a starter for Terrence Williams that they could open

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Speaker 1: eleven personnel? You know, there's all kinds of things. This

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Speaker 1: is now the first week we'll see Ezekiel Elliott. I

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Speaker 1: mean he's looked good in training camp and all that,

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Speaker 1: but hasn't No, not one opponent's hand has been laid

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Speaker 1: on him, you know this time. So a lot of

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Speaker 1: really interesting stories, storylines going into the first week. You know,

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Speaker 1: the questions about the safety spot, how they're going to

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Speaker 1: say Robinson? You know, I mean, there's there's just so

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Speaker 1: many things that you kind of kind of keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on it. Practice. They only give us twenty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: It's not like we get to go out there and

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Speaker 1: stand there for the whole day and say, oh, this

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Speaker 1: is what they're gonna do. But you know, there were

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Speaker 1: some indications how special teams line up. So I just

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Speaker 1: the most fascinating starts to a season for the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: that I can remember, because of the questions, because of

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Speaker 1: the changes that they've had at so many spots, right,

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Speaker 1: and the first one you mentioned I think was wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: and you're right because you had Joe Looney, didn't I

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Speaker 1: offensive center, right, So that's important. Zach Martin talked yesterday

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Speaker 1: on him at right guard. But that wide receiver spot,

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Speaker 1: you had thirteen or fourteen receivers in camp, and you're right.

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Speaker 1: They basically just shuffled nine ten guys in for first

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Speaker 1: better figure out a way to get Tavon Austin going. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: we're you know five two two nine seven is the number.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good, just on the road from where we were

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Speaker 1: a few days ago with our feet of strength driving

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Speaker 1: home from Houston. Josh in Htown. What's up man? What's up? Guys?

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Speaker 1: A longtime listener. I'm actually really happen to be on

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Speaker 1: the show today. Thank you, thanks for joining us. What's up?

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind? Brian? I want to think your

449
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Speaker 1: brain about something you said yesterday. You made the comment

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Speaker 1: about how I know we're on the topic of Oarl

451
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Speaker 1: Thomas a lot. But how Arl Thomas is going to

452
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Speaker 1: be worth the first round draft pick? Now, what's love

453
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Speaker 1: we've seen from vanderash this year? Do you think that

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Speaker 1: his pick was worth it? Or do you kind of

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Speaker 1: feel like if we could go back, we would use

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Speaker 1: that first round pick to take you t that's so good?

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't think I said he

458
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Speaker 1: would be worth a first round pick. I think where

459
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Speaker 1: I said he would be worth it. And again I

460
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Speaker 1: hope that we're not I'm not confusing people. Yeah, I

461
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Speaker 1: personally think that Dallas needs to give the second round

462
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Speaker 1: pick for Earl Thomas. I know that there's been some

463
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Speaker 1: reports now about they're offering a third Seattle wanting more.

464
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Speaker 1: Of course that he's still not show up. Yeah, start

465
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Speaker 1: not showing up. So the problem you're running into now

466
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Speaker 1: is you play Seattle in week three. Seattle is not

467
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Speaker 1: going to give you Earl Thomas, you know, the week

468
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Speaker 1: of the Seattle game. So if you don't get this

469
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Speaker 1: steal done, Yeah, you don't get this steal done this

470
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Speaker 1: week or next week, you know you're gonna you're not

471
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Speaker 1: gonna probably get Earl Thomas until week four. If that's

472
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Speaker 1: the case, if you know, if you're in a situation,

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Speaker 1: because I don't see John Snyder giving him up for

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Speaker 1: you know, Seattle week. He's not going to put him

475
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Speaker 1: on a plane back to Seattle and have him find

476
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Speaker 1: a way to beat him. Yeah, so I think that that.

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Speaker 1: I think timing is going to be real critical here.

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Speaker 1: But I don't feel like that. The thing that I

479
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Speaker 1: the thing that I kind of was talking about with

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Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. I think the most important thing about Earl

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Speaker 1: Thomas being here, and I brought this up yesterday is

482
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Speaker 1: who is the glue to whold things together? Something happens

483
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Speaker 1: to Sean Lee. Is it Jalen Smith? You know who

484
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Speaker 1: is that guy? Who is it to Tank Lawrence? Does

485
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Speaker 1: he hold the defense? Because we've seen what happens when

486
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Speaker 1: Sean Lee goes out. The defense tends to drift and

487
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: fall apart and makes mistakes and doesn't tackle well and

488
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Speaker 1: all that. You know, that's a great point. I just

489
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Speaker 1: don't see. I don't see right now. And maybe I'm

490
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Speaker 1: will be proven wrong with Jalen Smith as far as

491
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Speaker 1: being that guy, or maybe it is Tank Lawrence. But

492
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Speaker 1: when Sean leaves out, they just don't have somebody in

493
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Speaker 1: the secondary or right now that I think it could

494
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Speaker 1: be that I used the word glue guy. It's more

495
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Speaker 1: to me, it's more intangible than it is just him

496
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Speaker 1: running and making tackles. It's it's the pre snap communication.

497
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's like when you watch him get into

498
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Speaker 1: pads and Oxnard after taking you know, resting early in camp,

499
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Speaker 1: It's like the practices were louder. The communication just seemed better. Right,

500
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Speaker 1: he's he is like a quarterback on the field. Is

501
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Speaker 1: now to his point, If you said first round pick,

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Speaker 1: you know I would have I would have surely entertained

503
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Speaker 1: the opportunity for Derwin James. I had Derwyn James is

504
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Speaker 1: a is a one of my top players. So if

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a safety instead of vander Ish, you

506
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Speaker 1: know I had actually had Connor Williams ahead of Vanderish

507
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Speaker 1: on my top fifty by one spot. And then you

508
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Speaker 1: know with also with Michael Gallup, I believe at thirty seven.

509
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Speaker 1: So I had three in the top fifty. Either they're

510
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Speaker 1: gonna be really really right or I'm gonna be really

511
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Speaker 1: really wrong with my with my assessment of my guys.

512
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Speaker 1: But yeah, if you would have said, okay, you want

513
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Speaker 1: to use a first round pick. Yeah, I would have

514
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Speaker 1: taken I would have taken Derwin James maybe moved up.

515
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Speaker 1: There's people will say, well, if you would have just

516
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Speaker 1: tanked the last game against against the problem, you wouldn't

517
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Speaker 1: have had this problem that you but you know Jason

518
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Speaker 1: Garrett's but yeah, but Jason Garrett's jobs to win games.

519
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Speaker 1: It is you know, he it's his job. And you

520
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Speaker 1: can't fault a man for trying to win games, especially

521
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Speaker 1: when it's his job. And you don't want to go

522
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Speaker 1: into the offseason with another eight and eight. He didn't

523
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Speaker 1: want that. He didn't want that. But but yeah, I

524
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Speaker 1: me personally, I moved the pick. And I know that's

525
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Speaker 1: a great conversation on TOK Radio on our partners one

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Speaker 1: oh five three, they go back and forth on you know,

527
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Speaker 1: they're like, I wouldn't do it, you know the three

528
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Speaker 1: I would hold it. You know this guy, this guy

529
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Speaker 1: could mean a lot to your defense. He can mean

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Speaker 1: a lot too. He could solidify the safety position. He

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Speaker 1: could allow Jeff heat to play down like I want

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Speaker 1: him to. He could he could be the glue when

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Speaker 1: things kind of fall apart. He's could be the one

534
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Speaker 1: guy could stand in the huddle and get the respect

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Speaker 1: of his teammates. You know, he's been there, seeing that,

536
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: done that, all that stuff. So I to me, it's

537
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Speaker 1: worth that it's worth to have that guy like that.

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00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: That is a And people say, well, the money and

539
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 1: the years, and he's old and all that. Go back

540
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Speaker 1: and look at some of the best years that Ed

541
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Speaker 1: Reid had, you know, go back and look at those guys.

542
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Speaker 1: Go back and look at Troy Palomala when they got

543
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Speaker 1: to a certain age. These guys are difference makers. These

544
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: safeties are rare players, and especially the elite wines. Darren Woodson,

545
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: an elite player, probably didn't get the credit did he

546
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Speaker 1: deserved for what he did. But you get to a

547
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Speaker 1: certain point in time, Darren Woodson still was playing at

548
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Speaker 1: a very high level, even though he was banged up.

549
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Speaker 1: And I think the same thing. I don't think you

550
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Speaker 1: have to make this huge financial commitment. Yeah, people say, oh,

551
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: the fourteen million years. No, I don't think that's the

552
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Speaker 1: case at all. I think I think with no state

553
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Speaker 1: income tax, I think you can you can craft a

554
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Speaker 1: deal that could be very conducive to to him coming

555
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Speaker 1: here and playing. You know, I don't think he yeah,

556
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Speaker 1: he wants to be the highest paid player in this

557
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: position when he's at Seattle. I don't think that's necessarily

558
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Speaker 1: the case here. We don't have Mickey here to discuss this,

559
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: and he'll be back soon. Yeah, I hope so. Um

560
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: we miss you man, Yeah, we miss Mick. I know

561
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: he's probably listening right now. You all have gone back

562
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: and forth about the safety position and fair points. Well,

563
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: how important it is to winning a championship. And I

564
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: look at the great defenses in football that have had

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Speaker 1: that had safety play. That to me is where you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to take advantage of two young corners. I

567
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: want to take advantage of Jeff Heath's ability to play

568
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Speaker 1: down and I want to take advantage of Jalen Smith's

569
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Speaker 1: uh just rebirth as a football player. I want to

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Speaker 1: take advantage of Sean Lee, you know, in the few

571
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Speaker 1: more years that I have with him. You know, I

572
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Speaker 1: want to take advantage of Tank Lawrence rushing the passerd

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Speaker 1: and and Randy Gregory. You know, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be handicapped back there and no offense to I hope

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Speaker 1: that Cavon Frazier and and Campbell and Woods and all

576
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Speaker 1: those guys play Gray. I hope. So I hope I'm

577
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Speaker 1: wrong about that. But I know what that I know

578
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Speaker 1: what this guy can do. I've seen this guy. I've

579
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: seen this guy take a defense that had a really

580
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Speaker 1: good pass rush and had guys that can cover and

581
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Speaker 1: make it one of the elite defenses in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. He can do that. He's got that kind

583
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Speaker 1: of ability. Yeah, he does. Um, I would still be surprised.

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Speaker 1: And now he can show up by Saturday, I think,

585
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Speaker 1: And sure he could still get paid for the leak

586
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Speaker 1: if you know he reports and then plays on Sunday

587
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Speaker 1: for Seattle. Yeah, I just know in human nature, I

588
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Speaker 1: would be surprised if he didn't show up. But see,

589
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Speaker 1: I've I've gone all along Rob that I felt like

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Speaker 1: that he wouldn't leave game checks on the field. I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. And but you know what, maybe Earl Thomas

592
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Speaker 1: has enough money put away to where he doesn't need

593
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Speaker 1: the game checks. Maybe he could sit there in Austin,

594
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Speaker 1: Texas or you know wherever he is and see out

595
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Speaker 1: sit there and just say, you know what, I'm just

596
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Speaker 1: gonna I'm just gonna let it ride. I'm gonna let

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Speaker 1: it ride. I'm gona let it ride on principle. I'm

598
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Speaker 1: a prideful man, and I'm gonna force them to do

599
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Speaker 1: something with me. See, I's got a couple of choices.

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Speaker 1: They could take Dallas's third round pick in two thousand

601
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Speaker 1: nineteen draft, or they could wait and take get a

602
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Speaker 1: compensatory third round pick in twenty twenty. That's that's really

603
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: what their options are right now. Or they can give

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Speaker 1: him an extension and keep him. Yeah, and and it

605
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: also could gain but there's been no significant negotiations at all. No,

606
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Speaker 1: it's a huge Stealema. It's that they're not they're they're

607
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: both sides are dug in. And yes, do you feel

608
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Speaker 1: like they missed their chance of it at the draft?

609
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Speaker 1: Like they if they wanted this deal to be done,

610
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Speaker 1: it should have been done then. But they said, you

611
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Speaker 1: know what, would rather have Connor Williams? And that's pretty much. Yeah, Yeah,

612
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Speaker 1: that's a great question, Kent. And to me, it was

613
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Speaker 1: more important to them to make sure that they had

614
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Speaker 1: a solid offensive line than it was a safety. If

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Speaker 1: that particular player wasn't available, would they have done it?

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Speaker 1: I had a first round grade myself on Connor Williams

617
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Speaker 1: and he was taken at fifty, So you know, that

618
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Speaker 1: just shows you that they're valued, that this club has

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Speaker 1: proven one thing they can evaluate drafted offensive lineman. There

620
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Speaker 1: used to be a time where that wasn't the case

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Speaker 1: at all. But if they have a first round grade

622
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Speaker 1: on a lineman, it's it's proven to them that they

623
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Speaker 1: need to go get that guy. And I and hey,

624
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Speaker 1: I am all one of the best matchups this weekend

625
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Speaker 1: or are really a key lynch pin matchup for the

626
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Speaker 1: Cowboys this weekend will be how well that Connor Williams

627
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Speaker 1: is able to play against short Kawan short for Carolina

628
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Speaker 1: because if he has problems, he could wreck this running game.

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Speaker 1: He could wreck this running game. So you know, whether

630
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Speaker 1: it's Connor Williams or you know, Jonathan Cooper, whoever that is,

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Speaker 1: you know they needed that spot to be But to

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Speaker 1: your point, Kent, I think yes, it could have been

633
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Speaker 1: done right then and there. And Stephen Jones was on

634
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Speaker 1: the phone, and Stephen Jones called back in the third

635
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Speaker 1: round and they basically said, yeah, we'll get back to you. No,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to get back to you. A kind

637
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: of a thing like, what incentive does the Seattle have

638
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Speaker 1: to reignite the talks of Dallas right, well, that the

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Speaker 1: Seattle needs to figure out the guy's not going to report, Yeah,

640
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Speaker 1: Seattle needs he's not going to report, right, But he

641
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: can go to thirty one other team. That's exactly right.

642
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: That's John Snyder would not be doing his due diligence

643
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Speaker 1: as a general manager if he didn't call the other

644
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Speaker 1: teams around the league. If he didn't call the Raiders,

645
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: or call the you know, call any anybody else, the Rams,

646
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, whoever else. He he owes it to his

647
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: club to try and get the best deal he can. No,

648
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if someone gave up a you know,

649
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: if if if, in fact, John Snyder said this, if

650
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: he said, you know what, this guy wanted to go

651
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: to Dallas, I'll take a third round pick, but at

652
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: another place. Just now, well, yeah, the whole come give

653
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: me thing that did not set well in Seattle. That

654
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: did not set well at all. And he doesn't owe

655
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Speaker 1: Earl Thomas anything. Earl Thomas gave him some of his

656
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Speaker 1: best years. But this is a this is a bit.

657
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: Look you want to ask Dan Bailey about owing you anything.

658
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: Dan Bailey got a big dosea reality the other day.

659
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: One player told me. It's a tough business man. It

660
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: is a tough stuff and players know, but yeah, still stings. Yeah,

661
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: you know absolutely, but yeah, you know if if if

662
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas, he could end up in a you know,

663
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Speaker 1: some other town. And John starts say, oh, well wait,

664
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Speaker 1: you took a third from you know, look what the

665
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: look what the look what the Raiders did. They had

666
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: some good offers. Green Bay had a really good offer.

667
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Speaker 1: But you know, you see Aaron Rodgers playing quarterback for

668
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Speaker 1: Green Bay? Is their offer better than the Bears offer

669
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Speaker 1: if you look at where they could potentially pick. No, No,

670
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Speaker 1: So the you know, he shipped him off to you know,

671
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: he shipped him off to the where Gruden shipped him

672
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Speaker 1: off to where he could get the best value for

673
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Speaker 1: the picks. John Snyder doesn't owe like I say, he

674
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Speaker 1: doesn't owe him anything. One more thing about the draft.

675
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Speaker 1: When you make a good point about Connor Williams and that,

676
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: yeah they got to that pick. They had a high

677
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: grade on him. They know the formula that's worked for

678
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: them when they've been healthy. That's badass offensive line running game,

679
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: that's gonna help your defense. And they wanted to fix that,

680
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: and they wanted to fix the Atlanta Nightmare from last

681
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: November two. Yes, they absolutely did. That's the route they went. Yeah,

682
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: And and Connor Williams has had a good camp. Now

683
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Speaker 1: I'm interested to see, as you mentioned, how he's gonna

684
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Speaker 1: work with Joe Looney, because I think it's Joe is

685
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Speaker 1: a good player. But I was looking forward to seeing

686
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: Connor with Travis Frederick and Tyrann Smith. He got two

687
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: veteran all pro guys. Yeah. Now, now he's got to

688
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: turn around and build that rapport with Joe. Yeah. So

689
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: one of the one of the strengths of the Carolina

690
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: Panthers is their inside too. And you look at Short

691
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: and you look at Don Terry Poe, you know that

692
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Speaker 1: that is a that is a strength for them. And

693
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: so you know when you Connor Williams is going to

694
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Speaker 1: have his hands full, whether it's Poe or whether it's Short,

695
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Speaker 1: He's gonna have to deal with power, he's gonna have

696
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: to deal with some quickness, and he's gonna have to

697
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: play with some outstanding technique. And you would feel much

698
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: better about this if, in fact, that Travis Frederick was

699
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Speaker 1: able to keep that left eye over there on Connor Williams,

700
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Speaker 1: Now Joe Looney has got to keep that left eye.

701
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean Travis Frederick is excuse me, Zach Martin will

702
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: win his battles on the right side, and hopefully that

703
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: will allow Joe Looney to to play a little bit

704
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: more heavy to Connor Williams side. We did see Travis

705
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: Frederick in the locker room yesterday, um did. He's speaking

706
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: tomorrow as it hurts some rumors. I heard some rumors

707
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: you were speaking tomorrow. That'd be great. Yeah, I kind

708
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: of figure some things out. Yeah, he seemed to be

709
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: in good spirits. Has not talked publicly since the diagnosis

710
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 1: well yeah, beret syndrome, but obviously they feel encouraged by him,

711
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: although no timetable for him to return just yet. I

712
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: wanna grab another phone call absolutely Joel in Dallas. You're

713
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: up next on Talking Cowboys. What's up, Joel? Hey, guys,

714
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about the offensive

715
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 1: side of the Cowboys, and specifically, I think I'm throwing

716
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: this out as a as a theory here. I think

717
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: the predicate for the offense we're going to see this

718
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: year was sort of set in three games in twenty sixteen.

719
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Speaker 1: Those were the three that dev didn't play. That was

720
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Speaker 1: against the Niners, the Bengals, and the Packers. In those games,

721
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: Dak was anywhere from two thirty to two fifty a

722
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: game through for six touchdowns in the three games, and

723
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: no receiver had over one hundred yards none, and that

724
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: was Bryce Butler playing the X, which is generally supposed

725
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: to be the prime ry. But my point is, other

726
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: than Witten now being gone, I think we've sort of

727
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: upgraded around that, and I don't see any reason why

728
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: this offense wouldn't work. So I don't know your thoughts

729
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: on that. Thanks for the call, Joel. It's hard for

730
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: me to say other than Witten being gone, just what

731
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: he's meant to this team and as as a safety

732
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: blanket for Dak and the experience they have behind him.

733
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: I keep going back to the I keep going back

734
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: to the Kansas City game. I was one of the

735
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: best games that Cowboys played as a team all last year.

736
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: Chargers was one of the worst. Kansas City one of

737
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: the best. Terrence Williams had nine targets, nine catches. You know,

738
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: they were able to run the football, got some turnovers

739
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: on defense, created some problems for Alex Smith, didn't allow

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Speaker 1: I mean they gave up the one big play right

741
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: before the half, but other than that, they were really

742
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: solid on defense. That was the closest thing to a

743
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: complete game twenty sixteen win Cowboys exactly exactly. You know,

744
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: they were able to run the ball with some effect

745
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: in this Dak made some good throws on the move again,

746
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: found Williams along the sidelines. Remember they drop coverage, Peters

747
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: drops coverage. What happens, the ball goes, Dak breaks pocket,

748
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: throws the ball all the way down the right sideline.

749
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I think that this team is

750
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 1: trying to be. I think they're trying to be a

751
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: balanced team running the football. I'm sorry it sounds very

752
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,760
Speaker 1: clichic to say, but this team does rely on balance.

753
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: They do rely on that. The one thing that helps

754
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: this quarterback more than anything is being in second and

755
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: four and second and five all day. If you can

756
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: do that with him and you don't put the pressure.

757
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: And it's not that he's not capable of making a

758
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: third down in seven or eight throw. We just saw

759
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: too many times last year where it was a third

760
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: and eighth throw and they try and throw the slant

761
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: and it gets knocked up in the air. Or they

762
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: get a drop or he's not accurate. Well, what happens

763
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: is you're taking Zeke out of there, totally taking equation

764
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: as an option exactly. There's no threat there on third

765
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: and eight. Yeah, so absolutely right, and so you know

766
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: they need to find ways to be to stay ahead

767
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: added the chains. Carolina is probably not gonna let them

768
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: run the football. So that's gonna mean I'll say, Okay, Beasley, Williams, Hearns,

769
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: you know those guys Austin, these guys are all gonna

770
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 1: have to come with plays. Somebody is gonna have to

771
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: make a play because there's gonna be some bang in

772
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: the head against the wall potentially, especially if Connor Williams

773
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: is kind of a struggling with short you know, it

774
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: might not be as pretty running the football initially. You

775
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: don't want to get in a situation. It happened in

776
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: Denver Laret last year where all of a sudden they

777
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: just could not run the ball, and then all of

778
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: a sudden it just snowballed on him. They couldn't move

779
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: the ball, they couldn't do anything on third down, they

780
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: couldn't get anything established. They weren't winning on the outside.

781
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: You know, they have a chance to win on the

782
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: outside against these Carolina corners a little bit. You got

783
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: a rookie starting, you know, at one of the corners.

784
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: You know I've written about the Dante Jackson from LSU.

785
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: He's one of their starters. So you know, you got

786
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: you gotta take advantage of the things you can. But

787
00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: you don't want the situation like I said to have

788
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: in Denver where you just could not get anything going,

789
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: no traction running the ball, and then that put Dak

790
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: in some terrible, terrible spots. Do you have any concern

791
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: about Zeke? Not concern, but we haven't You've mentioned earlier,

792
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: we haven't seen Zeke take a hit. Yeah, all preseason

793
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: he didn't play. Yes, that bother you at all because

794
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm of the opinion and I could be wrong about this,

795
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: but given him five carries in preseason one appearance, yeah,

796
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: what's the difference. Well, this is where it's going to

797
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: come down to. We talked about block in short, I

798
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: mean mentioned Luke Keekley as well. You know he could

799
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: be a he could be devastating in the running game

800
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: as well. With Zeke, you know it's gonna be about that.

801
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: We've seen a lot with this the way the scheme

802
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: has been running the football has been pulling guys. It's

803
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: been angle angle pull. You know, angle angle pull pull.

804
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,959
Speaker 1: You know I mean when I say angle, I mean down, block, down, block,

805
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: getting guys around the edge. You know the thing that

806
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: it's that that right there could help That could help

807
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: Jeff Swaying, It could help Jarwin, It could help Schultz

808
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: or Rico when they get in there. You know, they've

809
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: got to find a way though, to kind of get

810
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: Zeke going where. Not only is it just I don't

811
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: know how good inside running is going to be in

812
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: this game, Rob. I don't know if the if just

813
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: slamming it in there, slamming it in there, slamming it

814
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: in there, it's going to be necessarily the way to go.

815
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have to move. And the one

816
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: thing we've seen about Zeke is when he does get

817
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: behind those blockers, you get Travis on the out, or

818
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna be Zach on the outside. You know, his

819
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: ability to kind of make that cut fall for four

820
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: yards even when it looks like even when it looks

821
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Speaker 1: like it's a short field, they're short, narrow sideline. All

822
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: of a sudden boom, he's out on the marker. It's

823
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: a first down. You know, his ability, he's got a

824
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: sneaky way of kind of making those plays. So they're

825
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: gonna have to do that. They're gonna have to And

826
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: this is where I feel like arrested fresh. You know,

827
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: he's practiced all the snaps. He's done everything he's been

828
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: asked to. It's not like they're they're sitting him out

829
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Speaker 1: and they're saying, Okay, we're not gonna practice you at all.

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00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: He's lined up at first team tailback every single time.

831
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Speaker 1: And we've seen it long runs. And there was a

832
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: couple of practices there an ox start where they kind

833
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: of took a couple of shots at him, you know,

834
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: here and there, and he kind of gave a shot

835
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: back or two. But I think I think that he

836
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: will be I'll think he'll be ready for to go

837
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: of this one again. It's just about blocking, blocking those

838
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: two defensive tackles and then making sure that Luke Keakley

839
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: doesn't make every single tackle because he's yeah, he will

840
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: make every single tack. He's a sideline to sideline. Yeah,

841
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: he's there. Sean Lee for sure. Absolutely. All right, let's

842
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: take our final break, come back, continue breaking things down.

843
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: I got some questions for you. How about that? I

844
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: got some questions from Brian broad Us for Rob Phillips. Next,

845
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847
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Speaker 1: minutes left and let's grab another phone call. Brian. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Frank in New York. What's up? Hey? What's up? Guys?

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Speaker 1: Um So, I had a quick question Xavier Woods. He

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Speaker 1: was playing cornerback for US a lot last year. Do

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Speaker 1: you think our lack of depth but do you think

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Speaker 1: our lack of depth that like cornerback is due to that?

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Speaker 1: Do you think the team values him as a cornerback?

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Speaker 1: I think that the team. It's a it's a good question.

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Speaker 1: He played. He played more as a slot player. That's

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Speaker 1: what he really really was. They liked him better in

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Speaker 1: coverage than they did and that's why he's you know,

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Speaker 1: he was a free safety at Louisiana Tech. When we

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Speaker 1: evaluate him, I know the draft show guys had him,

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Speaker 1: we had him in the third round, and I was

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Speaker 1: kind of one of those guys that always thought like

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Speaker 1: that he was a better tackler in college than what

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Speaker 1: we've seen in the pros. I'm kind of hopeful that

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Speaker 1: he can kind of develop that a little bit better.

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Speaker 1: But to answer the question, I think that they let me.

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that he played as well as he did

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Speaker 1: in slot because I thought he was a good cover man,

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Speaker 1: but I didn't think he was slot worthy of as that.

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Speaker 1: But he's got a little bit he's got a build

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Speaker 1: that would make you think he's kind of got a

914
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Speaker 1: corner build. Yeah, he's not a tall, rangy guy. He's

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Speaker 1: he's slender and he's got really good feet and so

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Speaker 1: you know that's something that you when you look at corners,

917
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Speaker 1: their ability to stay in position. You know, they could

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Speaker 1: be a little bit physical if they have to. But

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Speaker 1: I was I was really impressed because when they put

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Speaker 1: him at corner or when they put him at slot,

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Speaker 1: I was like going, oh man, this has got this

922
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Speaker 1: has got recipe. They're gonna wear him out. Did they

923
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Speaker 1: do that in the Hall of Fame game from the

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Speaker 1: very beginning, and it was remember the Rams games. It

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Speaker 1: was a Rams game. We were yeah, we were the

926
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Speaker 1: Rams game and in the Coliseum in preseason, and all

927
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's covering a lot more and I'm going, man, okay, yeah,

928
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Speaker 1: I didn't expect this. And then and then after that,

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Speaker 1: the after the the Los Angeles Charger to Baccle, you know,

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Speaker 1: they started, they just switched everybody around and and and

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Speaker 1: they'd had enough. They'd had an enough of you know,

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Speaker 1: with Brown, they'd had enough of Scandrick. You know, Scandrick

933
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Speaker 1: got hurt, but they've had they had enough. They just

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Speaker 1: kind of played those guys in spots. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think they view him as a corner. I think they

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Speaker 1: view him as a safety. But he's got cornered traits

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Speaker 1: that you would you would you can use at certain situations,

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Speaker 1: especially you're playing dime that you know extra the six

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Speaker 1: defensive back might be a reason why two that they

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Speaker 1: only carried four defensive or four corners. That the fact

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Speaker 1: that he could play, he could play a little bit

942
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Speaker 1: of that Semett slot corner. They did add a fifth corner.

943
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Speaker 1: He's listed as a corner to coup on the practice

944
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Speaker 1: practice squad yesterday, so that's a little bit of insurance.

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Speaker 1: Um Cavan told us yesterday in the locker room he's good.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out how much practice time he does get, though,

947
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Speaker 1: but they're not counting on Xavier for at least week one,

948
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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem. So we'll see about how the safety

949
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Speaker 1: mix shapes up. Who needs to have a bigger game

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Speaker 1: in this in this coming up this contest, Rod Smith

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Speaker 1: or Joe Thomas. Who Rod Smith is a change of

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Speaker 1: pace or spell zeke back Special Teams, Special Teams. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go with Joe Thomas because of what we talked

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Speaker 1: about in the first segment of having to contain that

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Speaker 1: versatile Panthers attack run to the ball ye Cam McCaffrey,

956
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Speaker 1: and we touched on vander esh and we touched on

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Speaker 1: Jalen and I think having Joe Thomas makes you feel

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Speaker 1: better about something. If something happens to Sean Lee, you

959
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Speaker 1: feel a lot, yeah, because I feel like, um, well,

960
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Speaker 1: they had Hitchens last year and there was concerned about

961
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Speaker 1: him leaving. But Joe Thomas has quietly had one of

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Speaker 1: the best camps that we saw defensively just I don't know,

963
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Speaker 1: just being around the ball, just making plays and a

964
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Speaker 1: guy who can play multiple spots. But I do see

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Speaker 1: Rod getting in there a little bit, yeah, series series

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Speaker 1: two and like you say, helping on special teams. Maybe

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00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: he makes a tackle. Maybe, and they're gonna they're gonna

968
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: have to find a way to create some turnovers in

969
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: this game. I think, yeah, you know, and I think

970
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: you have to be ready when Cam Newton throws you

971
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: the ball, and I mean throws you the ball like okay,

972
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: he didn't read the defense correctly and now the ball

973
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: hits you right between the five and the zero. Sean

974
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: Lee or you know, Joe Jeff Heath will come up,

975
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: you know with the ball. But you know, like I'm saying, uh,

976
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Speaker 1: Barn Jones, you have to be able to come up

977
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Speaker 1: with the ball when when Cam Newton decides he's going

978
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: to throw it to you. So I feel like that's

979
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: kind of the way they need to go some you know,

980
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: go with some direction. There. Hey we got we got

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Speaker 1: three fourths of the crew back Bill Jones and studio. Yeah,

982
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: this is when this is when you know he shows

983
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Speaker 1: up in coat and tie. Yes, and this is why

984
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Speaker 1: this is why this is why uh TV guys make

985
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Speaker 1: so much more money than radio guys, because that you

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Speaker 1: break out the nice white, clean shirt, the start not

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00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: on the ties perfect. But Bill, we were talking about

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Speaker 1: guys like you know, we were kind of going through Carolina,

989
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, offensively and the problems that they present. But

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00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: were I asked Rob this question just in a way

991
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 1: of who needs to who do you think needs to

992
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: have the better game? And I kind of did it

993
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: in a backup form of Rod Smith or Joe Thomas.

994
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: If you think about who as a backup player, maybe

995
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: in minimal snaps can be that difference maker of a player.

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00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: M interesting, Um, I'm thinking you know Rod, I think

997
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: rod Smith, assuming there are no injuries, right whatever, I

998
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: think rod Smith will have a bigger opportunity because Zeke,

999
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: as much as they want to give the ball to Zeke,

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Speaker 1: give the ball to Zeke, give the ball to z R,

1001
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Speaker 1: rod Smith's gonna have some opportunities. And so I think

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Speaker 1: I think i'd say rod Smith on that. Okay, what

1003
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Speaker 1: do you got? I had Joe Thomas, Okay, I want

1004
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Speaker 1: to know what Brian has. I think it's I think

1005
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Speaker 1: it's going to come down to Rod Smith. Okay, I do,

1006
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: and I'm there's a side of me that's kind of

1007
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: like thinking, Okay, you know, he's they're gonna put him

1008
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Speaker 1: out there in some situations, maybe in some nickel package

1009
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: stuff he's been playing. I think the linebacker is gonna

1010
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: have to all play really well in this game. That's yeah,

1011
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: and I and I think yeah, and I'm with you.

1012
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Speaker 1: I mean, but I also think though, that there's gonna

1013
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Speaker 1: be a time or two where they do for those

1014
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: three four or five opportunities offensively that Rod Smith gets

1015
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Speaker 1: that he if if he goes in there and no game,

1016
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Speaker 1: no game drop pass, you know, maybe they throw the

1017
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Speaker 1: ball to him one time and it's a it's a

1018
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Speaker 1: big play. I'm kind of feeling like that he's gonna

1019
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: have to play a role on this, on this this

1020
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Speaker 1: attack because you don't want to go in there. And

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Speaker 1: what was the biggest problem we had when they took

1022
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: Zeke off the field? Why are you doing this? You know,

1023
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: why are you putting Alfred Morris out there? You know,

1024
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: if he's not gonna you're dictating that. Okay, now they're

1025
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Speaker 1: they're throwing the ball because Zeke's not on the field exactly,

1026
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Speaker 1: So I mean, I feel like that they just cannot.

1027
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Speaker 1: I don't think either one and I hate ride the

1028
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Speaker 1: fence because I don't want to ever ride the fence.

1029
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Speaker 1: But I feel like that both guys and that's why

1030
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Speaker 1: I mentioned it. But I think both guys are gonna

1031
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: have to play. Is there a guy, another guy that

1032
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: we're not thinking about besides the kicker? We all understand

1033
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: the pressure. There's no there's no more pressure that you

1034
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: could put on somebody than what this kicker is going

1035
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: in dirt. I can't wait to see the reaction to

1036
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: you guys on the plane. You know, when he's when

1037
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: he's you know, see how he looks. He might be

1038
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: sitting there, but he might have the airsick bag. You know,

1039
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: he might just have the airsick bag in thirty one

1040
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: A just you know what I'm saying, there's a lot

1041
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: on there's a there's a bigger spotlight on him than

1042
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: maybe anybody going into this game. But is there about it?

1043
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: Maybe as much as Dak give me, give me somebody

1044
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: in the forty six, it's not a starter or something

1045
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: like that that you kind of feel like, not a starter,

1046
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: not a starter. But this guy has got to This

1047
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: guy's got to come up with something about you mentioned

1048
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Speaker 1: about coaching staff. Is there a on the coaching staff

1049
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: that's got to come up with something? This is huge game.

1050
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Speaker 1: I mean they're all huge. But because I'm on a

1051
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: hand comes right to mind. Lenihan. Yeah, yeah, Lenihan has

1052
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Speaker 1: got He's got to outduel North Turner here, doesn't he

1053
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm moving the ball for sure, for sure. And you

1054
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Speaker 1: talked about tavon Austin, He's got to have a role

1055
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Speaker 1: for him. I'm on that offense. So not to say

1056
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Speaker 1: they have to be you know, I think that's overrated sometimes,

1057
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Speaker 1: the creativity aspect of it. But what I'm interested to

1058
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,439
Speaker 1: see what role is Tavan gonna have on this team?

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00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: You know, how how is he going to be? I've

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00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: talked I told you you guys. I've talked to so

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00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: many NFL scouts around the league and they're like, hey,

1062
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: what's Austin doing? And I'm like, man, they're using them

1063
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: on the outside. They're doing this, that and the other.

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00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: And they're like, huh okay, let's just see it then, right,

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00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, there is a lot of skepticism. Use that

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00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 1: word right, Yes, can't spell it, but I used it

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00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: and I just I just think there's a lot of

1068
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: people around the league that don't believe he can do it.

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00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: That he was he's always been just a gadget player.

1070
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: Unless you come up with a gadget plan that he's

1071
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: not going to have any role in what you do offensively. Well, I, hey,

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00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: that's fair if that's people's opinions based off of what

1073
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: five or six years in LA and he really didn't

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00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: have much of a role there last year, he says

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00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: risk bothered him that right issue. Yeah, I do think

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00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: before he tweaked his hamstring in camp, we saw signs

1077
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: of him being a solid outside receiver for this team.

1078
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: Can he carry it over to the regular season? But

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00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: I thought he was productive and he showed a little

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00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 1: more versatility than I thought he there's some doubt in

1081
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: that man question. Yeah, someone that size on a consistent,

1082
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: consistent whoa whoa, let me let me. Can I give

1083
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: you another person then? Or you concerned about Cole Beasley

1084
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: outside on a consistent basis? Yeah, but I can. I

1085
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: can see you line up and then there's different things

1086
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: they can do, but the traditional what an ex receiver does. Sure,

1087
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: let's not be stuck in the nineteen seventies, especially when

1088
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about jump ball situations where you're asking a

1089
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: guy who's five eight to go get a ball that

1090
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: may not be perfectly placed. Yeah, giving up a couple

1091
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: inches or more about Thompson Thompson. Can Thompson be the

1092
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: Can Thompson be that? But I always always say the

1093
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: X factor the X factor guy? Can Thompson be that boy?

1094
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: Better than Bryce Butler guy? It was just one practice,

1095
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: but what I saw from him last Tuesday opened my

1096
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: eyes said, oh okay, yeah, they may have something with

1097
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: this guy. And that's why I said the other day

1098
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: that I thought it was a shrewd move on the

1099
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: part of the organization flipping him exposed. You're able, in fact,

1100
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: they kept basically all their receivers this way. You know

1101
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: that they knew the market on Lance Lenore, that he

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00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna get picked up, making and he would be

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00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: able to get to the practice squad. They knew Deonte

1104
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: Thompson wasn't gonna get picked up because nobody saw him

1105
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: do anything in the regular in the preseason. Right, you're

1106
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: going on pro tape Buffalo Chicago exactly, and not a

1107
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: huge it's coming out of that, right, the free agency,

1108
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: he didn't get a lot of play and but I

1109
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: saw a little glimpse there that oh, okay, that's what

1110
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: he might be all about. We'll see, you know. Yeah,

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00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: but it's just gonna be interesting to see the allotment

1112
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: of Okay, who's doing why? And I think it may

1113
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: be very from week to week, depending on matchups and stuff.

1114
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: Shoot down my tweet from yesterday Rico gathers as the

1115
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 1: third tight end Dalton Schultz in active potentially. I mean

1116
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: I could see it now if they know he said

1117
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: shoot it down, shoot it down. You shoot it down

1118
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: if you want, shoot it down, if you want. No,

1119
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: I agree with it. You know the thing that that

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00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: changed it for me because I might have shot it

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00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: down before. Jason Garrett said Rico has done a better

1122
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: job on special teams and that that's if he can

1123
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 1: do that, that can get him to the game. Yeah,

1124
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: we need to walk out there and see if he's practicing,

1125
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah,

1126
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you need to see if he Okay,

1127
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: is he is he is he wearing the beanie as

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00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: a scout team guy, or is he is he is

1129
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: a part of the game plats when you know, yeah,

1130
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: that's when you'll know, you know, and the other thing

1131
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: is okay, And it may go a week to week

1132
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: matchup to match up. Okay, But maybe they have a

1133
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: role that's different for Rico than what they would have

1134
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: for Dalton Schultz. Dalton Schultz is a duplicate of what

1135
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: they've already got active and Rico might provide something in

1136
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: a situation that they can use and that may be

1137
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: the difference right there, mating red zone Rico might have.

1138
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: I think Garrett made a really good point in comparing

1139
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: him to Martellis Bennett as a blocker. It's not pretty,

1140
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: but when you're two hundred and eighty pounds or whatever

1141
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: and you get into somebody, if you just get into

1142
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: him and hang onto him, it's hard to throw any

1143
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty pound man out of the way,

1144
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: especially they're athletes. As long as you don't miss the assignment. Yeah,

1145
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 1: if he if he whips completely and get somebody hurt,

1146
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: then you'll kind of know what all these coach has

1147
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: felt all along about Rico Gathers. I've said this before.

1148
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: I think Rico Gathers really benefited from a new coaching

1149
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: staff offensively. I know it's Scotland a hand still the OC,

1150
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: but his old tide end coach is no longer here.

1151
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: And so with that being said, he's got a fresh

1152
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: look on life and then there's really a fresh start

1153
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: and I think that helped him make this football team.

1154
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: How much ten personnel do you think they'll use? I

1155
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: don't see that a whole lot. I don't see that

1156
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: a whole lot. That's one back, just put them all

1157
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, one back, no time. Yeah, I think

1158
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 1: that that's that's kind of where maybe that's a I

1159
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: don't know if they'll get to that much. I am

1160
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: watching Carolina play. Captain Mummerlin, great name the league, is

1161
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: the starter at nickel corner, and boy he is he's

1162
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: survived being a big, heavy looking guy. But he could play.

1163
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: And so I'm thinking, okay, matchups, how do I you know,

1164
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: how do I get Captain Murmerlin on you know, Underland Munderland?

1165
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: I would say Mumerland captain Munderland Underland. Yeah all right, mum,

1166
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: it's mun it's mun Munderland's extra him in there somewhere

1167
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: down the line, maybe two extra ms captain the cap anyways,

1168
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: good player, yeah, good players, all right, South Carolina? I

1169
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: think yes, absolutely right out of time? Oh for ten minutes. Yeah,

1170
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: that's good though. Yeah, you offered some insight. That's good.

1171
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: First time for everything. We'll let your host next time,

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00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: how about that. Okay, let's do it tomorrow. That sounds

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00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: good about it? Get us. I'm gonna wear a baseball

1174
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: cap tomorrow, now time. Okay, all right, John from the

1175
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: owner workout here tomorrow. We'll see them all sounds good.

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