1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Hey guys, we are back on normally, so was normalist. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: It takes for when the news gets weird. I am 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Mary Catherine Ham. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 2: And I am Carol Marco. It's him Mary Catherine. 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 3: How was your weekend? 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: It was good. We had a lovely easter. No one 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: fought too much over any particular color of egg. And 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: I got all of my children to look at the 9 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: camera ish one time. 10 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: So that is a wild success. 11 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Actually, I mean the ish is doing some work in 12 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: that sentence, but it's a picture of all four of them. 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 3: Nice. 14 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: We visited the West coast of Florida, the Gulf of America. 15 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: It was a birthday weekend trip for me and it 16 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: was very, very nice. I had not seen a lot 17 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: of the West coast before. 18 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 3: It was really beautiful. 19 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: But the best part of my trip was that I 20 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: largely disconnected from the Internet. I still used Instagram a 21 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: little bit. I use it to get recommendations and things, 22 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: and Instagram is just a happy place for me. Getting 23 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: back on X today has been like returning to a 24 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 2: mental asylum. It's like, oh God, I remember this, this 25 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 2: is the crazy people live. 26 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: I did the same thing because you know, it's Easter weekend, 27 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: I'm with my family. My kids are on spring break, 28 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: and I like to actually hang out with them. And 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: if you're on the social media too much, you will 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: tempt yourself into just like getting distracted and floating away 31 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: or getting really stressed out. And so I did not 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: do that. So I have also been sort of picking 33 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: up whatever threads are here. 34 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: It's hard when I got that reacclimated. You know, a 35 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: lot of the time, I start thinking like, well, maybe 36 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: I'll just stay off for a little bit. But obviously 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: our jobs and our general world exists on these platforms, 38 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: and mostly X for me, I mean, that's the one 39 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: that that's the one I have the hardest time quitting 40 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: and then the hardest time coming back to. 41 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 3: But you know, I. 42 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: It's I really appreciate the breaks. And I think that 43 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: if you're listening and you are angry at just what 44 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: you saw on your social media feed on any given day, 45 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 2: take a break, you know, just gonna take it off 46 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: your Phone's that's kind of my big piece of advice, 47 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: because my finger automatically opens it all the time. 48 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll notice real fast if you take it off 49 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: your phone, how big your addiction is. 50 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, because when your finger is clicking the blank space. 51 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: That's what I always say, like when your fingers like 52 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 3: where did this go? 53 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: Yes? It also turns out like you can do a 54 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff in a day if you don't have 55 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: your phone. Like my kids and I made a pillowcase 56 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: for a throw pillow, and I was like, look at me, 57 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm a trad wife in one day when I put 58 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: my phone down. Amazing, Well, patriotic pillowcase too. Look at 59 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: my la. 60 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: I'm just supposed a picture of that on X. Well, 61 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: let's get into the news. Marty mcquerie is at the 62 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: FDA and he is making some changes and I like it. 63 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: I like a lot of things that he's doing. 64 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, he talked to Megan Kelly last week. And I 65 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: also enjoyed that a lot of these officials are giving 66 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: their first interviews and in depth interviews to non traditional 67 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: media sources. So yeah, McCarry has talked to Megan Kelly. 68 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: I believe Senator Centuary of State Rubio spoke to Catherine Herridge, 69 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: who is independent now his first big interview, Usha Vance, 70 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: the second Lady, spoke to the Free Press. So I 71 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: like this direction and Marty, I shouldn't call him that 72 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: excuse me. The FDA head doctor McCarroll I have been 73 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: a fan of for quite some time and was a 74 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: you know, reasonable voice during the COVID years, which were 75 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, few and far between in the in the 76 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: recognized sort of medical expert community, and so I appreciated 77 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: him very much. He talked about a couple things. Uh 78 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: Number one one of my favorite uh bugaboos, which is 79 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: the food pyramid devised by the federal government. Yeah, they're 80 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: going to throw that out the window, which love it. Look, 81 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure that they should be dictating and 82 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: telling people what is healthy and what is not, But 83 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: as long as they're going to do it, they should 84 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: maybe not do it so horribly wrong. 85 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: Maybe don't get it completely wrong. 86 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: So he said, they're going to be uh reevaluating that, 87 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: and it won't just be simply an evaluation of oh, 88 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: these calories good, these calories whatever, the number of calories in, 89 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: the number of calories out. It might actually give you 90 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: some nuance about processed foods versus whole foods and what 91 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: that means. So I look forward to a little bit 92 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: of based nutrition coming to the FDA. So that was 93 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: one of his announcements. 94 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: Love it. 95 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: You know, as I was preparing for our conversation, I 96 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: was googling kind of what he's been up to. And 97 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: it's interesting because a lot of the media outlets are 98 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: trying to tie him to, you know, HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy, 99 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: And I get that Kennedy has some more controversial views, 100 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: but mccuerie, to me, is very much a trustworthy kind 101 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: of person. He doesn't say anything KOOKI, he doesn't. He's 102 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: a very solid guy. So the fact that a lot 103 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: of these news outlets, and they've been doing this to him, 104 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: obviously since COVID, have been trying to turn him into 105 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: a questionable character, is appalling because he is such a 106 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: solid person. 107 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: And I looked up his bio. 108 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: He's obviously he's a surgeon, a public policy researcher, researcher, 109 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: he was at Johns Hopkins. He used to write for 110 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal, and he 111 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 2: had two New York Times best selling books. 112 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: He was in the. 113 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: Leadership of the WHO, and he was elected to the 114 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 2: National Academy of Medicine. 115 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: He was all of these things and so many. 116 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 2: Other things, visiting professor at all these medical schools, published 117 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty peer reviewed scientific articles, et cetera, 118 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: et cetera. And so I think that it's important to 119 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: defend this man when the mob will continue to come 120 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: for him and say he's you know, he's kind of cooky. 121 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, to your point, he actually answers a question 122 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: from Megan Kelly about autism rates. And now this is 123 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: a perfect contrast where RFK got in trouble this weekend 124 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: for saying something that's pretty like pretty ham handed about 125 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: autism as he has a way of doing, whereas the 126 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: MACKERI is like, Hey, so if I had to posit 127 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: a theory, this is what it might entail. And you know, 128 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: we bombard our microbiome with all of these chemicals. We 129 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: really haven't studied a bunch of them, and there may 130 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: be some ways that those interact that cause differences. And 131 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: we've seen differences in these studies between children affected by 132 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: autism and others who are not. And so that would 133 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: be something that I would look into, and I think 134 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: that Jay Batcharia has announced that we will be looking into, 135 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: like that is a measured, scientifically based answer that gives 136 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of insight to people who don't follow 137 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: this that gives a little bit of hope to those 138 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: who might want this looked at in a critical way, 139 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: and to me, he is He's always struck me as 140 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: somebody who is just interested in evaluating evidence and is 141 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: brave enough to talk about things that might be outside 142 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: the approved topics that you know, Anthony Fauci up until recently, 143 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: was in charge. 144 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 3: Of approving that's right. 145 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. The last and perhaps most splashy one 146 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: I believe we have a clip of him talking to 147 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: Megan Kelly about this FDA way of doing things that 148 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: will be changing. 149 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 4: We want American pharmer companies to do well and companies 150 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 4: that do business in the United States to do well, 151 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 4: but the scientific evaluation needs to be independent, and that's 152 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 4: why today we're announcing we're removing industry members pharma members 153 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 4: from FDA advisory committees. I was shocked what I learned 154 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 4: that employees of big pharmer companies sit on FDA advisory 155 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 4: committees as members of those committees. 156 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 3: So we're going to be. 157 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 4: Replacing them whenever statutorily possible. With patients and family givers, 158 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 4: family caregivers, we are going to be inviting pharma companies 159 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 4: to center representatives to the advisory committees, but they can 160 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 4: sit with the rest of the public and watch and 161 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 4: post questions as the rest of the American public can. 162 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: That seems like such an obvious thing to do. 163 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, in our world, I just feel 164 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 2: like I'm probably more of a pharma defender than most people. 165 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: First couple of. 166 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: Jobs out of college were at pharmaceutical companies in their 167 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: legal departments. I don't see them as, you know, the 168 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: evil empire, and I, you know, I definitely have my 169 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: problems with a lot of the things that they do, 170 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: but I just don't see them as this great evil. 171 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: The fact that they were allowed to be involved in 172 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: FDA policy is wild to me. 173 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: Yes, I think this is one of those instances of 174 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: the wait what are we doing the fact, which is 175 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: like when people like an Elon Musk or a Marty 176 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: McCary come in and say, yeah, we're going to make 177 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: a change to the way we're doing this thing, and 178 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of people go, wait, that's how we were 179 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: doing that. That seems bad. Now, people who are MAHA 180 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: or who are interested in these conflicts of interest have 181 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: known this for a while, but a lot of people 182 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: would probably be like, wait, yeah, we definitely shouldn't have 183 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: those people doing those particular jobs, right, And look, I 184 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: understand I'm with you that I'm a sort of medium 185 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: on pharma. I used to be more of a booster, 186 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: and I think they do some amazing things and come 187 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: up with amazing treatments for various things. However, I do 188 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: want room for looking at health holistically, for looking at 189 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: nutrition holistically. To use a hippie adjective, but you know 190 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like, just like there are things that 191 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: might be at the root of the problem instead of 192 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: just treating the symptoms, that would do people better, right, 193 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: And so I think I think this change in particular 194 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: could be very interesting and would change the way that 195 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: things are regulated and the way that things come to 196 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: the foe. He also noted that when it was comes 197 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: to the food pyramid, the government, the FDA have you know, 198 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: basically partnered with the industries that make the processed food 199 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: or the farming industries or whatever interests are there to 200 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: make these decisions. Like, I don't find this surprising because 201 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: I have followed government and how it operates for many years. 202 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: But a lot of people will be like, yeah, it 203 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: seems like a it seems like a bad idea. Maybe 204 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: we should do it independently of those forces. So I 205 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: appreciate his his take on these things. And like, like 206 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: you said, Carol, I think there's going to be an 207 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: ongoing effort to tie anyone who's doing interesting things under 208 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: the HHS directly to RFK. And look, he's their boss. 209 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: But these are people, these are men in their own right. 210 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: Jabaditaria another one who have great reputations and who I 211 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: think deal seriously with the facts exactly. 212 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: So I love the seriousness of him, and I love 213 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: would love to see what they do next. 214 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: We shall see. 215 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: We'll be right back on normally. 216 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: Do you know what the biggest story of the week is. 217 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,359 Speaker 2: Carol, I'm sure it's very controversial. 218 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: Well, you know, one of the issues in a Trump administration. Look, 219 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that happens regardless, like and 220 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: you're going from the pace of a Biden administration to 221 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: a Trump administration, which is why you know, you and 222 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: I have to take a break over the weekend and 223 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: then catch up. But like, there is something to that. 224 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: But as I've always said, with the media in a 225 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: Trump administration, they get themselves ratcheted up to such a 226 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: degree about every story that it ends up not making 227 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: sense which ones are important, which ones are Yet again, Carol, 228 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: in this administration, as it was last time, the Easter 229 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: egg role at the White. 230 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: House is a thing, right, the thing. 231 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: Carol, because when a Republican is in office, particularly Trump, 232 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: we got to make an issue of this very silly 233 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: event that happens on the White House lawn. This year, 234 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: the New York Times headline is Easter eggs are it's 235 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: attached to this, to this story. But the Easter eggs 236 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: are so expensive. Americans are dying potatoes, you know. 237 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: I heard that, and I was like, I don't think 238 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: potatoes are cheaper than eggs. 239 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: No. And here's the thing that's not real, right, what 240 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: they're taking a tongue in cheek TikTok video and turning 241 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: it into the thesis of a New York Times piece 242 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: because someone was like, ha haa, eggs are expensive, so 243 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: we're painting potatoes right then the DNC is like, aha, 244 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: the White House has ordered thirty thousand dollars worth of 245 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: eggs for the role when Americans are dying potatoes. And 246 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: thus we have the controversy of the Easter eggs. 247 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 3: The biggest story ever. 248 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: We should all clearly be caught, you know, focusing our 249 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 2: attention on Milania's soft yellow trench quat. 250 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: Wow. 251 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, the woman knows the coat. 252 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: Okay, he is just she really is perfection. 253 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: It's so ridiculous that she could knock out every outfit 254 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: every single time. 255 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Could I give you a quick flashback to twenty seventeen. 256 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: I flagged this and wrote it in when Trump was 257 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: elected the first time. This is a quote from the 258 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: New York Times. Could this White House, plagued by slow 259 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: hiring and lacking an on site first lady, managed to 260 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: pull off the largest, most elaborate, and most heavily scrutinized 261 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: public event of the year. This is the central question 262 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: of a lengthy news story printed in the New York 263 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: Times this week. What might you ask? Is the largest, 264 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: most elaborate, and most heavily scrutinized public of end of 265 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: the year. It is indeed asserted as fact the White 266 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: House Easter egg roll. 267 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: It just that is bananas, and it's. 268 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: Funny, mind blowing. Yeah. 269 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 3: It's also it's funny because all I. 270 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 2: Remember of the Biden Easter events is one where the 271 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: Easter Bunny had to pull him. 272 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: Away from people. 273 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: Yes, the Easter Bunny got between him and like a 274 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: media member. I mean it was everybody was like, who 275 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: is in the Easter bunny costume that has that kind 276 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: of sway over the president. And then of course where 277 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 2: the trans people lifted up their shirts and showed well, yeah, 278 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: that was. 279 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: A good one what they got. 280 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, by the way, those those little mishaps not a story, no, obviously, 281 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 5: but the idea that Milania Trump might have dropped the 282 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 5: ball in twenty seventeen because Malania Trump, of course, has 283 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 5: no idea how to host an event being Donald Trump. 284 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, we learn in this story, by the way, that 285 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: even Curious George and Elmo did not know for sure 286 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: that the East Easter egg role was happening until late 287 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: last month, and the coordinating Yogi for the yoga garden, 288 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: a tradition of the Obama years, had not been contacted. 289 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: How that is the controversy. 290 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: There were also anonymous sources who spoke to the Times 291 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: for that twenty seventeen story like this is we're doing 292 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: it again. 293 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: It looked like just such an old fashioned Easter egg hunt. 294 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: I really Trump coloring with the kids the other thing. 295 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: And I know we didn't cueue this up to talk about, 296 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: so I don't want to just throw this at you. 297 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: But is Trump getting more religious? Is he getting more religious? 298 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: Or is this my imagination? I feel like he mentions 299 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: Jesus more often. I would have said this is not 300 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: a religious man before, and I really think he's changed 301 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 2: since the shooting since I think. 302 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: There's a there's a little of that. To be sure, 303 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: he still says happy Easter. We need God. The losers 304 00:16:58,040 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: also need God. 305 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: Listen, He's still Donald Trump. 306 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: Just because Jesus into your life doesn't mean you change personalities. 307 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: I have never been to the White House Easter egg 308 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: roll atty I well, can I be honest? I haven't gone. 309 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: But part of the reason not part of these Maybe 310 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: I'm rationalizing because everyone's having fun without me. But I 311 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: do think that like getting your kids dressed up and 312 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: standing in a security line, and then, particularly when they're 313 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: very young, I think I would just wait till mine 314 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: are a little older, particularly when they're very young, to 315 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: go into the White House lawn and then hope that 316 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: they behave themselves. Should a president come over and talk 317 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: to them, is just a lot. That's a lot, knows 318 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: what my children would say. 319 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had had during the first Trump administration. A 320 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 2: friend of mine was in the in the administration and 321 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: she had gotten us a private White House tour. And 322 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: my youngest son, he's now nine, so somebody has to 323 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: do math. I think he was like three at the time. 324 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 2: Cracked his face like he fell right outside. 325 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 6: The Oval office and bled all over the driveway, and 326 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 6: all the pictures from that day or him and his 327 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 6: like little suit with like a. 328 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 3: By Oh bless is hard. Oh yeah, I hear you. 329 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: But someday, maybe when they got a few more years 330 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: on the little babies, we will do that. But yes, 331 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: this is yet another situation where we make a deal 332 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: out of something that isn't a deal, and then people 333 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: can't trust you on other stories. Although I will say 334 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: the freak out does seem slightly less than twenty seventeen. Trump, 335 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: for his part, By the way, did mention to the cameras. 336 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: Hey remember when Biden had to get led around by 337 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: the Easter Bunny? Not me, not this way. 338 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great. 339 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: One more thing. Yeah, I do think this is important. 340 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: Did you see that there's an upgraded Easter Bunny? At 341 00:18:58,840 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: the Easter egg Roll. 342 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: That is a good looking Easter Bunny. 343 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: He looks brand new. He's like a light brown color. 344 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: Somebody joked he has no glasses like the old one did. 345 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: The old one was like a very freaky white, fluffy 346 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: bunny with the glasses kind of crossed eyes. Sean Spicer 347 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: used to dress up in that costume that's from Back 348 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: in the Bush Ears. This one is updated, like a 349 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: light brown color. Someone joked that he got lasick in 350 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: a tan because he has no glasses. And yeah, looking 351 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: good with a green coat on. Adorable, very springy. I'm 352 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: sure there will be a hard hitting story on how 353 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: much money we spent on that costume. 354 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 2: Hey, the Easter Bunny gotta glow up. I'm all for it. 355 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: Those goes after the Easter Bunny next in the New 356 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: York Times. Anyway, Easter dragg rollill have fun, everybody, Yeah, 357 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: enjoy It's fine. 358 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right. 359 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 3: Back with normally last story. 360 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: Am I keeping it light today as everyone gets back 361 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 2: into the swing of things at work. DHS Secretary Christy 362 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: Nome had her bag stolen over the weekend from a 363 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 2: DC restaurant and it is kind of an interesting story 364 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: because well, the New York Post has all the best details. 365 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: Security footage reviewed by the Secret Service showed a white 366 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: man in an N ninety five surgical mask, dark pants, 367 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: a fur type collar and a ball cap snatching GNOME's 368 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,959 Speaker 2: bag before leaving the restaurant. I don't really know what 369 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 2: a fur type collar is. 370 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: Hmm. Interesting. It's a strange choice, one that Milania Trump 371 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't make. 372 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: And she did, it would look flawless, that's true. 373 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 3: The Post also says. 374 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 2: It was a Louis Vuitton Clement's purse, and I was like, wait, 375 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: isn't that a wallet? And I looked it up and 376 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: that is a wallet. So as we're about to read 377 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 2: all the contents, it's almost like confusing. I mean, they 378 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 2: might be they might have gotten the name of the 379 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: purse wrong. 380 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 3: I don't know. 381 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. They should have consulted Carol Marcowitz, 382 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: pers expert, clearly before they reported this. 383 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how they're even running this story 384 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: without talking to me. But she had a lot of 385 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: stuff in what appears to be this little wallet mm hmmm, 386 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 2: including three thousand dollars in cash. 387 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: Three thousand, but I heard her rumor that the restaurant 388 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: was Capital Burger, which is an interesting choice. What is why? 389 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: Why is it an interesting choice for those of us 390 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 2: who don't. 391 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: Live in I just was expecting maybe something a little 392 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: more fancy pants, right, But particularly if you have three 393 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in your Yes, do you have three thousand 394 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: dollars in your purse? 395 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 3: Carol? 396 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: I will say that I am a rare person that 397 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 2: probably has had three thousand dollars in my purse. 398 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 3: Because I'm a poker player and you can only take home. 399 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 2: So but the days that I am carrying my poker 400 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 2: winnings to my home, I can tell you I I 401 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: am on guard with that money in my wile. And 402 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 2: we talked about this on a previous episode. But I'm 403 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 2: already kind of crazy, like I do not take my 404 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 2: hand off of my bag. My bag has to be 405 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 2: touching me at all times. I'm not blaming her, obviously not. 406 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: No one's blaming the victim here. It's just an interesting 407 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 2: detail that she had three thousand dollars and somehow this 408 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: bag that taken away. 409 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm one of those like sad people. I 410 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: think we've discussed this dynamic before we're if somebody's getting tipped, 411 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: it's only if my husband is there, Like do you 412 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: have a QR code or do I have my husband? 413 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: Those are the two ways, m yeah, because otherwise there 414 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: are hair bows and mechanical pencils in my purse, like 415 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: that's not it's not the same fair as as Christina. 416 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: I do think for the thief DHS secretary, like not 417 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: not the one you want to rob. That seems like 418 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: a mistake because I feel like they have a lot 419 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: of resources to bring to bear, particularly because her badges 420 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: were in there that mag which is no good. But yeah, 421 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: I my the contents of my bad currently are a 422 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: book about COVID because still I'm still mad brod my calendar. 423 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 3: Which let's give them a shout out. Who is it? 424 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: This is? Actually it's a book from Chap Peterson, who 425 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: was the one rogue Democrat state senator in Virginia about 426 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: his fight against his own party to uh to put 427 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: some of those ideas to rest. I have a hair 428 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: brush and some clariton, so yeah not oh and some goldfish. 429 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: Not a not a lucrative steal for anyone, partly because 430 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: I left my laptop at home on my trip to 431 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: New York today. 432 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, in my small bag, I have two 433 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,479 Speaker 2: lip glasses, my wallet, my house keys and car keys, 434 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: and three packs of matches from the last three restaurants 435 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: that I went. If you have matches, I am taking them. 436 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,439 Speaker 1: Yep. Well, and then whoever gets your purse from your 437 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: clutches would have plenty of matches at your disposal. Now 438 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: I hope they catch the guy. I assume they probably will. Again, 439 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: a lot of resources to bring to bear, and there 440 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: seems like there's a footage of this person. 441 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 3: Right in his little fur collars. 442 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: Also, her whole makeup bag was stolen, and I just 443 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: say that is a real pain to replace. 444 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 3: Yes, that is such a bummer. 445 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: That is actually I'm like, the badges, that's tough, apartment keys, okay, 446 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: passport that's annoying. 447 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 3: But the makeup bag. 448 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: The makeup bag. Do you realize the work that goes 449 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: into this. 450 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: It's years of effort. It's not like a one day 451 00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: shopping trip. 452 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: No, this is a this is a treasured a treasured thing. Yeah, 453 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: curated collection, that's right, yep. Well, yeah, we hope it's 454 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: returned to her, by the way it should should remind 455 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: every one of the dangers of dining in DC. Watch 456 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: out safe. 457 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, stay safe out there, friends. Well, thanks for 458 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 2: joining us on normally. 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