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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and this week on the show, I am

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Speaker 1: joined by the Jake Bush to dive deep into his

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Speaker 1: process for patterning big public land bucks. All right, friends

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Speaker 1: and family, welcome to the Wired Hunt Podcast, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by First Light. We are continuing on with the

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Speaker 1: month of Patterning Bucks that is our October series. Here

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Speaker 1: in two we kicked it off with my story of

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Speaker 1: my opening week success in October, how I developed a

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Speaker 1: pattern of these bucks here leading to the opening day

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Speaker 1: and end up getting one killed in Michigan. We followed

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Speaker 1: that up with a master class with Mr Mark Drury

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Speaker 1: talking about how he patterns these deer with some very

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Speaker 1: detailed analysis on his private land spots there in Iowa

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Speaker 1: and Missouri and those next of the woods. And today

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Speaker 1: we're going to take a different angle on this whole

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Speaker 1: idea of patterning bucks by talking public land. Yep, we're

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Speaker 1: talking about going out there into the masses. We're all

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Speaker 1: sorts of folks are out there chasing deer too, and

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Speaker 1: gonna see if we can actually dial in a plan

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Speaker 1: guest today has proven that it's possible consistently. Jake Bush

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Speaker 1: is a terrific deer hunter who's been getting on some

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Speaker 1: really good bucks in Ohio, Kansas, New York. He's got

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Speaker 1: a pretty interesting story, which we'll get into a little

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Speaker 1: bit here once he hops on. But to give you

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Speaker 1: the cliff notes, Jake grew up in New York and

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Speaker 1: loved deer hunting so much so that he eventually said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm pulling up stakes. I'm upbroading my life.

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Speaker 1: I'm selling my house, I'm leaving everyone I know, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to the big buck land of Ohio and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start a new where I can chase my

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Speaker 1: deer hunting dreams. I think a lot of guys have

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Speaker 1: that dream, but just talk about it and never do it.

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Speaker 1: Jake did it. Jake walked it. He didn't just talk it.

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Speaker 1: And now he lives in Ohio and he's killing big, giant,

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Speaker 1: but wherever he's at, there's some big deer and he

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Speaker 1: how he develops you know, develops that pattern, how he

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Speaker 1: accumulates all the data he needs to make good decisions

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Speaker 1: on how to hunt, on when to hunt. We talked

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Speaker 1: through everything he's doing, you know, in winter on to

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Speaker 1: of that data to help him put together really solid

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Speaker 1: hunt plans. And he's kind of in the middle of

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Speaker 1: that process right now himself as he's trying to still

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Speaker 1: on after unfortunate bout of eh D in his area.

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Speaker 1: So Jake's dealing with some tough hunting circumstances right now,

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Speaker 1: learn from that too. So today, if you hunt, you know,

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Speaker 1: some interesting things you can learn here from Jake. I

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Speaker 1: into the show. This is a good one, patterning public

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Speaker 1: Land Bucks with Jake Bush. Check it out. Let's go

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Speaker 1: all right here with me on the show. We've got

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Speaker 1: Jake Bush. Welcome to the show. Jake, Hey, Mark, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. Yeah, I appreciate you coming on. I've

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Speaker 1: this is my kind of conversation. We're we're talking Bucks

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Speaker 1: in October. We're talking about patterning them, and uh, that's

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Speaker 1: the right way right off the bat, Like I I

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00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 1: don't have to go in with a weird wind or

431
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 1: like have you know, different factors to help me out.

432
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: They just set up really good the majority of the time.

433
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: Um obviously like hunter access. If it's a difficult area

434
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: to hunt or I feel like it's going to be overlooked,

435
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: that will help as well, especially if it's like around private,

436
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 1: like you have to like go in and circle around

437
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: Private to get back into this hub system, or if

438
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 1: you have to go up and down a couple of

439
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 1: ridges that seems to eliminate a lot of people right

440
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 1: off the bat. So once I find the areas that

441
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: I want to scout. Let's say in a year, it's

442
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 1: ten different spots that set up that way. I'll go

443
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: into each spot and I'll go down in the hub

444
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: system first, and I'll verify that there's good deer signs.

445
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,719
Speaker 1: Almost every single time I am I getting a hub

446
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 1: down here, there's really good buck sign and there will

447
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: be that hub scrape. And then once I find that

448
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: scrape and I verify, okay, the system is getting used.

449
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 1: It it looks like what I thought it would and

450
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 1: it's not too steep or too narrow or brushed out,

451
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 1: or there's not like mud slide or a bunch of

452
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 1: down trees in the bottom, and it's actually usable by

453
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: deer and it provides what they need. Then I'll branch

454
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: out into the points of all of those ridges that

455
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: kind of point down into that hub, and I'll just

456
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: start looking for deer sign I'll start looking for you know,

457
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: basically going to and from their betting areas and um,

458
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: you know, I'll pick out all the betting areas that

459
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: I can on a map, but a lot of times

460
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: I get into these locations and the betting will be

461
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 1: set up a little bit differently. Uh you know, if

462
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 1: it's uh area with a bunch of clear cuts, it's

463
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 1: gonna set up differently than area that's just like old

464
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 1: standing timber um. They use them totally different. And what

465
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: I found is like the train position lines will show

466
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: you pretty much what you need to know as far

467
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: as clear cuts to standing timber um. But yeah, I'll

468
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: get up on on the points of these ridges, I'll

469
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: look for beds. I'll look for beds in the bowls

470
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: of the ridges, and then once I start verifying those

471
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: specific beds, I'll start marking all of those down on

472
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: the map. And then once I had that information, I'll

473
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 1: start branching out to the trails leading to and from

474
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: all the destination food sources and trying to pick out

475
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 1: this specific food sources. Okay, do you do any more

476
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: fine detail work on specific beds? Like I know some

477
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: guys and I think I've heard you say this before

478
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 1: something like this, but a lot of guys like to

479
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: get in the beds and really think through how close

480
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: can I get? What are they? When are they bedding here? YadA, YadA, YadA.

481
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: Are you going to that level of detail yet at

482
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: this point or are you gonna wait until you fine

483
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: tune down to your top Bucks and then be thinking

484
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: through Okay, if these are the real, you know, top

485
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: couple of spots I want to focus on, now, I'm

486
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 1: going to dial it. So it depends on the situation. Um.

487
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll wait until I find the food sources that

488
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking for, and sometimes I will always do it

489
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: regardless of the deer that I find there. Basically, but

490
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: it depends on at what point I do it. It It

491
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: could be the first dam in there when I'm finding

492
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: the beds. It could be the second day in there

493
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: when after I locate all the food sources. The one

494
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: thing that I like to do, yes, absolutely get down

495
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: in the beds. In each bed I like to be

496
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: able to see what they can see, kind of like

497
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: visualize what they would be able to hear, what they

498
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: would be able to smell. I'll do a lot of

499
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: wind mapping in this time, um, and I'll also verify

500
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: that it's like an annual bed like year after year

501
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: by going through the different layers of leaves. If it's

502
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: not completely worn to the ground and you start pulling

503
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: back different layers of leaves and you find hair and

504
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: all of those different layers, well, now you know it's

505
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: not just the winter bed or like a seasonal bed,

506
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: it's used a lot like they're they're they're more often

507
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: so those are priority beds for me. And normally when

508
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: you get in these systems like you can, you can

509
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: find the primary beds and they're they're typically in uh,

510
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: like let's say, like a the acres circle, and then

511
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: you'll see like subordinate betting, which is a lot less used,

512
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: or it doesn't set up the right way, or it

513
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: has like a direct weakness right next to it, like

514
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: they would be out in the open, or they wouldn't

515
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: have cover behind them or things like that. The best

516
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: beds will always be, in my opinion, where the biggest

517
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: bucket is going to be. Um, he's kind of taken

518
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: over that spot over time. But yeah, I'll go through

519
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: all those different things and then just try to formulate

520
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: how close that I can get based on that food source.

521
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: And that's gonna be the really important thing is It's

522
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: not it's not just finding the betting for me. It's

523
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: finding the betting and saying, Okay, if he's betted here,

524
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: he's feeding here, and if he's feeding over on this

525
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: other ridge, he's not betted here, he's betted over in

526
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: the other betting area the majority of the time. So

527
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: if he's if he's betted here and he's feeding there,

528
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: how can I get close to him. Let's say subs

529
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: on that route and I don't really care about the

530
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 1: other routes leaving this betting. I care about this specific

531
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: route to that, like one white oak. How can I

532
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: get close to that? And That's what I'm trying to

533
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: really come up with these spots. It's like that one,

534
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: that one weakness that he has that I can kill

535
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: him on, and then I would just move to the

536
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: other system once I once I find what I need

537
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 1: in that first one. Yeah, So with that level of detail,

538
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: like on just one of these locations. And then also

539
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you're thinking through a well, they're feeding on

540
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: this thing probably in September, but once we get to

541
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: late October, maybe they're off the acorns and they're on

542
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: something different. So maybe you've got a couple of different

543
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: transitions throughout the year planned in your head to for

544
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: each of these different possible locations, and then you've got

545
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: dozens of these locations. How do you keep track of

546
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: it all? Do you do you take notes? Do you

547
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: have like I don't know, do you have just all

548
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: of this on Onyx or whatever map app tool you use,

549
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: or how do you keep track of not just like

550
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: where these things are, but then also like all the

551
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: different betting defeating combinations and when stuff is happening, and

552
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: how do you do that? So for him mental worry,

553
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: I have an Excel spreadsheet and then I have a

554
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: bunch of folders of these pictures based on like the

555
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: specific deer. I'll break it down to specific wind directions

556
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: or even food sources for that specific buck. Um. As

557
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: far as like actual routing goes, like how I think

558
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna get up and move, or how close I

559
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 1: can be, or pictures of my access routes. You know,

560
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: I'll take pictures and say like, okay, you need to

561
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: go under this log because if you go over this log,

562
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: he could see you for the two seconds it would

563
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: take for you to get over top of it, or um.

564
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: Things like that. I will use a journal, Like so

565
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: I had a journal that I would just write down

566
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: for a long time. I've moved to journaling just in

567
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: my apps, and that's that's helped me a lot. That way,

568
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: it's it's easier to go through. It's a little more

569
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: mobile for me. Um. But yeah, I'm logging every single

570
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: thing I do. I mean, there's there's no way that

571
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: I could keep up with all that information. Um. And

572
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: then one thing I really like to do too is

573
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: I like to make sure I'm zoomed all the way

574
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 1: in on my app when I'm laying down, like a

575
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: pin for a bed or a pin for a specific

576
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: food source. And then I'll draw like the travel route

577
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: lines with just like the line tool to and from

578
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: that betting that I think they're going to use. And

579
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: that helps me a lot too, because you know, checking

580
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: these areas in the spring and then only going in

581
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: one time, it looks a lot different. Typically when you're

582
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: gonna hunt late September early October, and I find myself,

583
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm staring at my phone the entire way

584
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: into the woods when I'm accessing these spots. The only

585
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: the really the two things that I'm doing is I'm

586
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: staring at my phone. I'm throwing milky at the entire

587
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: time on an access for a hunt. I mean, it

588
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: takes like I I really don't. I typically don't hunt mornings,

589
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: especially early October, because I like the whole plan of

590
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: the afternoon that I have where I'll leave the house

591
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: around ten or eleven o'clock. I'll do the exact same

592
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: thing today. Actually, i'll leave the house probably around eleven.

593
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: I'll go out to an area and I'll just like

594
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: methodically work my way in, and a lot of times

595
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: it takes me. Let's say it's a half mile access,

596
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: I might not be in the stand for four or

597
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: five hours even. I mean it is a very like

598
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: I do a lot of crawling. I do. I make

599
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: sure that there's some sort of other noise when I'm

600
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: stepping over anything that's loud, like if it's crunchy leaves,

601
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: I'll take one step every five minutes. If I have

602
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: to waiting on like a squirrel, the chatter or the

603
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: wind to blow. Because I just with all, with all

604
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: this work that goes into a year round, I would

605
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: really hate to mess up my access and blow that

606
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: deer out when I could have just taken my time

607
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: and been methodical. And on the flip side of that too,

608
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss any intel on the way in, like, oh,

609
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: there's this tree is hot, and I didn't catch this

610
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: one in my scouting. Maybe I need to set up

611
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, But yeah, I'm I'm paying a

612
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: lot of attention to the to the logs and my phones.

613
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 1: I study those journals and those notes before I go

614
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 1: out every day, and I just try to be as

615
00:29:46,600 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: methodical as possible with that one fall up on the sheds.

616
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: You were talking about the shed hunting aspect two of

617
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: your spring scouting, um, and the fact that that that

618
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: does help you a little bit, But I'm just curious.

619
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: You know, the actual location of a shed you find

620
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: a big angler? Is that? You know? How important is that?

621
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: I know that it's important. I know it tells you,

622
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: oh wow, big one made it. But do you actually

623
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: look at that bed you found the shed and say, Okay,

624
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: even though this is February or March, this is still

625
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: an important data point or in your mind, are you thinking, man,

626
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be anywhere near this come October next year.

627
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: I know he's somewhere within a mile, or I know

628
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: he's somewhere within fids, But I'm not too obsessed with

629
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: this actual aler location, Like how much does that factor

630
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: into a pattern. There's a lot of factors that will

631
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: that I'll base my decision on that around um, you know,

632
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: It could be if it's a really warm spring and

633
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 1: we have a bunch of south winds and I find

634
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: his shed in a betting area that sets up for

635
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: a south wind, like let's say it's like a northeast

636
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: slope because we don't have any snow. Um, then yes,

637
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: that that's gonna hold quite a bit of value for me. Now,

638
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: if we have a foot of snow and these deer

639
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: moved into the only chestnut oak ridge within five miles,

640
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: that's dropping any acorns, that's gonna hold a little less value.

641
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: But I will still say, Okay, he's in this system somewhere,

642
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: and then I can I can work on going through

643
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: my maps and picking out those leeward ridges for hunting

644
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: season again, so the south ridge or the north facing

645
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: ridges for like a south wind h and things like that. Um.

646
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: And then it depends on how close it is to

647
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: like a specific food source. There's gonna be a lot

648
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: of different factors. And that's really for hill country too.

649
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: And my thought process when I was in New York

650
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: was totally different because we would get anywhere from you know,

651
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: we could have two ft of snow on the ground,

652
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: we could have four ft of snow on the ground

653
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: up there, and it would shift the deer a lot,

654
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: like it would shift them miles. We're down here in

655
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: southern Ohio. We're lucky to get a couple of inches

656
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: of snow a year, and I don't feel like they

657
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: moved there. They shift their patterns as much um. Another

658
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: factor to that is a lot of the areas that

659
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: I'm targeting, I'm trying to find spots where I think

660
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 1: the deer will spend more of their year there. So

661
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: if I find like there's two areas for example, so

662
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: the first area is a hub system that has a

663
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: bunch of clear cuts and a variety of oaks. The

664
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: second system is an area that has private egg out

665
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: at the head of the drainage, very few oaks and

666
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: no clear cuts. Well, the egg was let's say it

667
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: was a standing cornfield that got cut way early, like

668
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: late September, for example, and there's no food left in

669
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: that field, and then there's no oaks up in the

670
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: ridges and there's no brows for these deer, They're going

671
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: to shift a lot. But if it's in and they'll

672
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: shift throughout the year, and it's gonna be more difficult

673
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: to pattern those deer. But that first area that I

674
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: described has the clear cuts, so it has brows that

675
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: has better thermal cover for winter, it has better bedding

676
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: cover in the summertime they're eating that browse. There's a

677
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: variety of oaks throughout the fall to where they can

678
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: kind of stay in that system, like it's just going

679
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: to hold deer better. And so I will focus more

680
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: on spots like that because I can get more intel

681
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: out of that location than I can an area that

682
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: they only spend a month in. Yeah, it's a great point.

683
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: So let's some let's push more into the summer now

684
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: and focus a little bit more. And what you talked about,

685
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: you do a lot in the summer, which is taking

686
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: the family out for drives, glassing up deer. Um, can

687
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: you give me a little more detail about the specific

688
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: specifics of that. I understand you're covering ground, getting glass

689
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: on these fields that you know, last hour daylight or

690
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: whatever it is, but you know, do you get specific

691
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: do you get that for specific bucks and like obsess

692
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: over a specific field or two because you know your

693
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: number one is hopefully in that area, or you know,

694
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: more generally if it's not that kind of thing, you know,

695
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: how are you keeping tabs on this stuff, and how

696
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: important is that summer sighting? Again, back to these patterns,

697
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: is it just okay big bucks in this area, or

698
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: is it okay big buck is in this specific field

699
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: with a westerly wind. So I think, you know, since

700
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: this is August, he's betting here in October, that might

701
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: mean X or Y, Like how detailed does it get

702
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: for the summer settings. So that shifted a lot since

703
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: I've been in Ohio. When I was in New York,

704
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: I had a lot of success glassing like alf alpha

705
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: fields all summer and then making a play on that

706
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: deer the first day or two of season when I

707
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: had the right conditions. Uh, And that would work quite

708
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: a bit. Down here, the focus is a lot different. Um.

709
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of our egg that I'm glassing

710
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: is bean fields, Like the majority of it's going to

711
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: be bean fields, and those beans typically will dry up

712
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: and get cut before season. This was an odd year

713
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: down here. They planted him late, so that we still

714
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: have some green some green beans actually around my area. Um,

715
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: but typically those beans will get cut. And so all

716
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do is just get that visual observation

717
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: of a good buck, and I only need it one time, Like,

718
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: if I know he's there one time, there's no sense

719
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: of me going back and watching him go to the

720
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: bean field five nights a week when I know that

721
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: that's gonna get cut and then he is going to

722
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: revert back to the acorn flat three quarters of a

723
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: mile away. Um, And my cameras are up on those

724
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: flats anticipating that shift that's gonna happen. They're not like

725
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: even on public egg around here. My cameras aren't necessarily

726
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: on the public egg because I can glass at, but

727
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: I utilize them better back into the woods where I

728
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: believe they're gonna shift come early September. So that's something

729
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: that I focused on. But but yeah, mainly it's just

730
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: once I get an eye on a good one in

731
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: that area, I kind of you know, okay, there's a

732
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: good buck here. I think that he's gonna do this.

733
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: I already have my camera staged or I don't, and

734
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: I'm going to go in and put those cameras up

735
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: based on that, and then I'll moved to a new area.

736
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: Um And you know, every once in a while we

737
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: might just make a drive and go past that same

738
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: field as like fun thing. To do, or maybe it's

739
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: closer to home and we don't have a bunch of

740
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: time or anything like that. But yeah, typically I'm just

741
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: gonna keep moving and keep finding different deer and just

742
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: try to add it to that list as many deer

743
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: as I can, so casting a pretty wide net in

744
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: those early months. Um, you mentioned cameras. What are the

745
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: trail camera locations you use generally at this you know,

746
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: for this kind of patterning and is it you know,

747
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: can you talk through how that might shift throughout the

748
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: season two? Yeah, So for the most part, they're gonna

749
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: be in the same locations year round for me, And

750
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: it's just whether it's early season, whether it's summer, whether

751
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: it's the rut. I find these deer using these hubs

752
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: a lot. Um. You know, you talked to like Andy

753
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: May for example, and Andy hunts a lot of these

754
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: hub systems are like where there's a lot of UH

755
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: topography that comes together during the rut and he's the

756
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: best hunter out there. So they work. They obviously work. Um,

757
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I run my cameras and I'm pretty

758
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: much year round, and I have inventory on these hub

759
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: scrapes pretty much year round. I mean, now, whether it's

760
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: February or whether it's June or October, November. I'll have

761
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: bucks hitting these scrapes year round own down in these

762
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: hub systems because they're dropping out of these beds, and

763
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: because the points of these hubs that drop down set

764
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 1: up for a lot of different winds typically, like they'll

765
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: even set up for a lot of north winds, especially

766
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: northwest if the drainage goes east. Um. But yeah, so

767
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm running the majority of my cameras on hubscrapes. And

768
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: now it could be the primary hub down in the bottom,

769
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: or it could be like so, okay, where the where

770
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: the main ridges come down. So you have two drainages

771
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: that turn to one, so you'll have three ridges. You'll

772
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: have like the center ridge that's facing east, and then

773
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: you'll have a ridge that faces north in a ridge

774
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: that faces south. They meet at like that X. That's

775
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: gonna be probably the best spot for inventory. And I

776
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: run cameras and pretty much every one of those that's

777
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: in a system that I like. And then as you

778
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: go up those two drainages that converged, typically what you'll

779
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: have is you'll have more hubs as you go further

780
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: into those drainages, and you gain a little bit of

781
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: elevation where you'll have like sub ridges or even a

782
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: lot of times better bedding ridges because they're smaller, they

783
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: don't get as much activity that will dump down and

784
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: create another hub, and those are like secondary hub systems.

785
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: I'll run cameras in those secondary hubs as well, and

786
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: then uh, and then I'll run them in like some

787
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: of the terrain features up higher in elevation, like it

788
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: could be at the top of a hog's back when

789
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: in between betting and a white oak, for example. I

790
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: run cameras in a lot of spots like that. UM.

791
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, typically it's going to be in some sort

792
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: of trail convergence in these systems, and if I don't

793
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: do that, it's gonna be on like terrain feature to

794
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: just try to catch a general movement. Every once in

795
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,919
Speaker 1: a while. You mentioned that you usually find these hub

796
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: scrapes down the bottomost thermal hubs. What if you don't

797
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: find one there, do you make one? Do you make

798
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: a mock scrape or do you just place it where

799
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: you think that convergence is, UM, tell me about that.

800
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: So I've started doing mock scrapes recently and now, yes,

801
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 1: I will do that down the bottom for a long time.

802
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: If I didn't find that hub scrape, To be completely

803
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: honest with you, I wasn't as fired up about that area,

804
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: and I would just try to find one that had

805
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: like that natural scrape because that's telling me that there's

806
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: been mature deer in that area, like kind of battling

807
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: over that section for a long time. If you find

808
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: like a big, old worn in the ground community scrape,

809
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of activity there. If you don't

810
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: have that, I kind of asked myself, like, is there

811
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: not any good bucks here? Is there only like maybe

812
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: one good buck and the system doesn't hold a multiple

813
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: good bucks? Because that's what I'm really looking for, is

814
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm looking for that competition between deer. Like let's say

815
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: you have two to three deer in one of those

816
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: systems that are four or five years old. Because of

817
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: all the different subridges and little bowls and little pockets

818
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: that they can bet in, it will hold more than

819
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: one good deer. They just seem to use that scrape

820
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: more often. So I've kind of noticed that on my

821
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: cameras too, Like if I do create a mock scrape,

822
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: they do work, especially for one deer, but they might

823
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: not get as much activity in some of these spots

824
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: because they're not like the activity wasn't there to begin with,

825
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to just like create that activity almost.

826
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: Um with these cameras. What is your you know, breakdown

827
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: between standard traditional cameras versus cell do you do you

828
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: use cell cameras? If so, do you place those in

829
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: any kind of different location or do you have a

830
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: different way of utilizing those. So southern Ohio doesn't have

831
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: a ton of cell service. Um, if it did, I

832
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: would use them differently than I do. I would probably

833
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: run more cell cameras down in like the hub scrapes.

834
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: I feel like that's probably that's one of the most

835
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: lethal things that you could do in in hill country

836
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: with the cell cameras running on one of those hub

837
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: scrapes in the bottom. Do you have service and then

838
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: if it heats up, I mean you can go and

839
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: kill that deer on the right condition without intruding and

840
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: checking cameras. That is a huge advantage. UM. What I

841
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: do with them, Like, I run probably six or seven

842
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: cell cameras and they're on the tops of ridges and

843
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: they're really trying to catch a deer like shifting over

844
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: the ridge mid day if if there's like a wind

845
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: shift day, and that's just like inventory that I could

846
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: use to my advantage come season, even if it's in

847
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: let's say early September. I get a buck at ten am.

848
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: He was betted down for a south wind and we

849
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: just had like a south and north wind change around

850
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: that time. What I've noticed, if that wind shift happens

851
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: early enough, is a lot of these deer will shift

852
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: sides of the ridges, especially if the top of that

853
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: ridge is brushy and it has a little bit of cover. Um.

854
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: What I've started to find is I'll find these scrapes

855
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: on the top of ridges that are in between those

856
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: betting areas that he's using, and he'll check that scrape

857
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: mid day on that wind shift. Well, now I know

858
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: that that deer is in the area. So for me,

859
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: it's an inventory thing. I can say, Okay, I'm not

860
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: going to kill that deer there there. I probably wouldn't

861
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: even set up on top of the ridge to kill

862
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: that deer unless I had like the perfect condition, and

863
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm not using it to target that deer there. But

864
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: what it's telling me is that deer was in the

865
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: betting area that is for the south wind on the

866
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: specific day, and he probably uses it more often. The

867
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: only reason I caught him was due to that wind shift.

868
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: But at least I know that he exists in that area,

869
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: and now I have a beat on him, like I

870
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: know he's there. I know that I can make a

871
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: play on that deer on this condition if this oak

872
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: flats hot and it could be like I said, it

873
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: could be a south wind all day and I could

874
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: go target that deer. But I caught him on that switch. Interesting.

875
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: It's very it's very interesting to see those little kind

876
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: of little habits that you can identify with cameras that way.

877
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: So if most of your cameras then are traditional cameras,

878
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 1: and it sounds like a lot of them, you're running

879
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: deep in these thermal hubs, a few up on the

880
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: ridges and stuff. Um, I guess the question is how

881
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: do you access those cameras and when do you access

882
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: those cameras to get data that you can actually use.

883
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned you put them out in the summer.

884
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: You check them for the first time in mid September ish,

885
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: that's going to give you your first read on Okay,

886
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: who's in my area. Now that that September shift has happened,

887
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: what about from that point on, how often you check

888
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: them from that point on, and how and when do

889
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: you do that so that you're not messing up your hunts.

890
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: So it really depends on what the first camera poll

891
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: gives me for intel on how I'll go in and

892
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: check those spots. But I do have a rotation this year,

893
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: for example, where I don't have my tag field yet,

894
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: and so I'm basically on the on the correct on

895
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: the on the day that the conditions are correct to

896
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: go into that spot and hunt it, that's the day

897
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: that I will go on there and check those cameras

898
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: and I'll normally check him with my stand on my back,

899
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: take my my tree stand, my camera gear, everything that

900
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 1: I need, and I'll hunt my way into that spot

901
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: just like I typically would, and I'll check that hubscrape

902
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: camera and if that hubscrape camera is hot. Like let's

903
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: say that I had a target buck on there three

904
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: days over the last two weeks, but it was on

905
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: like a southwest wind every day. Well, I'm going to

906
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 1: take a shot at that deer and if he was there,

907
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: and if he was coming off of multiple ridges and

908
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: you can see him entering at different angles. That's going

909
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: to change my approach a lot. If that's the case,

910
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: I'll out the hubscrape, especially if he was daylighting. Um,

911
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: but if he's there like right after dark a lot

912
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: of times, what that tells me is I need to

913
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: push up onto that ridge system and get closer towards

914
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: that that secondary food source that I was telling you

915
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: about earlier and try to hunt him going to that

916
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: secondary food source. Um. I'm only going to be as

917
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: as aggressive as I need to be in that situation

918
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: to like, like I said, if i can kill him

919
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: on the hubscrape, I'm absolutely going to do that. But yeah,

920
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: basically I will. Like today, for example, I put uh

921
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: four cameras out last week in a different location. It

922
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: had really active food source. The white Oaks and red

923
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: Oaks were dropping like crazy, and it had a really

924
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: good hub that had a ton of sign in it,

925
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 1: and so I put some cameras on that. It sets

926
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: up good for a southwest wind where they're better than

927
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: a clear cut that's facing north. So today, after the podcast,

928
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get all my gear ready and put my

929
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: stand on my back and I'm just gonna work my

930
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 1: way up that drainage, and I'm gonna check the two

931
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: different hubscrape cameras that I have, and if they're hot,

932
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: I can make a play on that deer. And if not,

933
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: my thought process is, I have four cameras in the

934
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 1: truck and I'll just back out. I'll put my stand

935
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: in the truck, I'll grab those four cameras and I'll

936
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: go into a totally different system and lay four more

937
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: cameras out. Um. And that's just kind of how I'm

938
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: how I'm doing that right now. I'm checking cameras early,

939
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: and if it's ready to hunt, I'll hunt it, and

940
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: if not, I'll back right out and I'll go to

941
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: a new spot and lay down more cameras, and if

942
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: it's completely dead or the food source dried up, I

943
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: will even pull those cameras so I have more for

944
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: the next spot, you know, a couple of days later. Yeah,

945
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: what about this? What if you go in there to

946
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: day and you get like the one on camera but

947
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: it's not daylighting yet, but you you get one that

948
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: gets all your fuzzies up and you're like, oh wow,

949
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: this is this is the one I've been looking for,

950
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 1: and he's showing up here an hour after dark still,

951
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: but he's around. Are you going to change your camera

952
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: or patterning process in any way now that you've found

953
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: like the one Are you all of a sudden going

954
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: to put four more cameras in this zone? Or are

955
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: you going to take those other three and zoom them

956
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: all in tighter to the one spot he was a bunch?

957
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: Or do you do anything different to start collecting data

958
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: once you've narrowed it down to to the one buck

959
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: you want? That would be really situational. Um, but I

960
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: would say that I could I could see myself doing

961
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: all of that, and I could also see myself if

962
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: it's an area that I'm a lot a lot of

963
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: the spots where I'm putting cameras right now, I already

964
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: have scouted pretty good. It's just I didn't run cameras

965
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: there because I had like my top five locations. But

966
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: say that this is like number ten or number eleven,

967
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: and he's just there. I knew it had potential, but

968
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it has as much potential year after

969
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: years the other spots. So so you know my top

970
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: five spots didn't do good this year. Um, so go

971
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: into like number ten for example, and the situation that

972
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: you just you just said happens. I already have a

973
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: lot of that scouted, and I would probably take a

974
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: shot on that deer and just scout my way up

975
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: further based on my previous scout acknowledge. And that's what's

976
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: so useful about having all my logs and journals on

977
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: my phone for those spots and then having like those

978
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: specific routes. I could say, Okay, he hit the scrape,

979
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: you know three times. The wind that day was south wind.

980
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: Okay for a south wind, he's there's two betting areas

981
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: that set up here. This food source is hot, but

982
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: he's not getting here till after dark. He's probably in

983
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: that other food store and the other betting area, and

984
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: I have the secondary food source marked for that other

985
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: betting area. I'm gonna go take that chance of that

986
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: deer right now, Like I'm gonna be really aggressive and

987
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: just go for it. Um. But that would be situational.

988
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: That wouldn't be something that I do every time. If

989
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: it would just have it would depend on the situation. Yeah, okay,

990
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: I want to dig into something you've mentioned there. You

991
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: talked about like you found the pictures you saw that

992
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: it was all in south wind and you happen to

993
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: have a south south wind that day, So you would

994
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: take a step when you look at this data like

995
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: your pictures, how tight do the conditions of the appearance

996
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: on camera? How have to line up with the conditions

997
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: on a day you're considering hunting for you to actually

998
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: try to use that pattern, you know? I mean, like

999
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: for example, in Iowa private land, you might say, well,

1000
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: I know that when this buck you know comes back

1001
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: into this betting area on trail camera with anything with

1002
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: a westerly wind, I know he's gonna come back out

1003
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: to this food plot, like you can really tightly sometimes

1004
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: figure the connections out. Or if there's a high pressure

1005
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: cold front and day, I know he'll come out in

1006
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: daylight on a public land situation like you're describing, do

1007
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: you do you obsess over that specific link like you

1008
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: just mentioned the south and south because of the betting

1009
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: or will you say, well, he showed up on south winds,

1010
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: but I only have a west wind today and tomorrow,

1011
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: so I gotta go for it, yes or no? Any

1012
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: of that. I that's a really good question. So I

1013
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: would say that it's it's pretty loose to be honest

1014
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: with you, and it it's gonna be on how they like.

1015
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: These areas all set up differently. Like, for example, my

1016
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: betting area could be bull in between two sub ridges

1017
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: that jut out on the main ridge, but it could

1018
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: like work out into those ridges where it provides better

1019
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: betting for like different winds. Um, I have spots that

1020
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: set up only for a south or only for a west,

1021
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: but a lot of these areas do set up for

1022
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: like a southwest or you know, a version of that wind.

1023
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: I would say, as long as it's as long as

1024
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: it's close, I would I would take that opportunity as

1025
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: long as I think that I have the advantage at

1026
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: the spot I want to kill him, So like can

1027
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: I get in there? Can I Can I be clean

1028
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 1: with my access? And can I just take a shot

1029
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: at him? Um? I would probably do that, And that's

1030
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: that's probably pretty aggressive. I find myself doing those more,

1031
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: those sort of sits more often. UM. But if it

1032
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: was like a north wind, for example, then I wouldn't

1033
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: probably be in that system unless it's set up really

1034
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: good for north wind betting. It's just it's gonna be

1035
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really situational. UM. But yeah, I would

1036
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: find myself probably, I don't know. It's situational. Man, that's

1037
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: a tough one. Well, how about this one. Here's another

1038
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: kind of situation that I think pops up. Sometimes you

1039
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: get a handful of great you know, either observations or

1040
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 1: daylight photos of a buck year after and he's daylighting

1041
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: over the course of a week, and you finally go

1042
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: in there and check your camera and you see that

1043
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: you say, oh, wow, the last six days or whatever,

1044
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: he has daylighted three or four times in here. That's great.

1045
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: And you're in there right now and you've got a

1046
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: couple of days off and you can hunt today or

1047
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: tomorrow on the next day. The problem is the conditions

1048
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: you have right now are are not good. So maybe

1049
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: he was daylighting when it was kind of cool and nice,

1050
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: and today and tomorrow the next day it happens like

1051
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: really hot. Do you push it, like you just described,

1052
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: even in that circumstance, even though he was moving on

1053
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: the cold front, and now it's hot because you know

1054
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: he was daylight yesterday or two days ago, So I

1055
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: gotta go for or would you back out because man,

1056
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: I realized now, like it's just too hot and creuddy

1057
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: or it's like winds or something that's not really would

1058
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: make you back out, I would hunt it. I would

1059
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: definitely hunt that. And uh the reason being is a

1060
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: lot of these hubs and a lot of these cameras

1061
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: that I have are within like let's say, maximum like

1062
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: two yards from the betting and so I don't see, uh, like,

1063
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: those cold fronts are great for general movement, but when

1064
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm hunting that tight to betting, I don't see a

1065
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: lot of difference. And whether it's a cold front or

1066
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: it's ninety like two out of the last three years,

1067
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: I've killed my dear in over eighty five degrees. My

1068
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: biggest buck ever was ninety five degrees at three in

1069
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: the afternoon, but I was sixty yards from his bed,

1070
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: and so that's something like I would definitely take that opportunity.

1071
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: As long as my wind isn't completely wrong, the conditions

1072
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't matter, wouldn't hold a lot of weight for me

1073
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: at that point in time. As long as I have

1074
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: a good wind where I'm not going to just blow

1075
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: out the betting area, I would definitely take a shot

1076
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: at that. Interesting, what about any of these other factors

1077
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: that folks like to obsess over. Do you do you

1078
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: give any credence to move own stuff? Barometric pressure stuff,

1079
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: does that factor whatever? As I get later into season,

1080
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: into the rut, I think that I could find myself

1081
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: focusing a little more on barometric pressure, um the moon.

1082
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: I've never paid any attention to, to be honest with you, I've,

1083
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm just so close to the betting

1084
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: normally that if the deer is there for that specific

1085
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: win day and the food source is hot, I'm like,

1086
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: typically he he doesn't have to move more than thirty

1087
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: or forty yards and I can shoot him. And so

1088
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: that's what I'm more focused on. I'm focused on just

1089
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: like just the betting plan and how close he's gonna be,

1090
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: and like where he's gonna travel. And I think that

1091
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: I don't. I've never seen barometric pressure hold a deer

1092
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: in his bed until dark. Like I feel like they,

1093
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: at least in my experience, they typically if they're in

1094
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: that bed, they will get up and move a little bit.

1095
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: It might be ten yards or twenty yards, and it

1096
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: might be at last light. But I always feel like

1097
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: there's a little opportunityy there, and that's what I'm trying

1098
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: to capitalize. On like I. Yeah, I could sit back

1099
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: in some of these spots and hunt them four yards away,

1100
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 1: and then I'm sure I could wait for the stars

1101
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: to align and wait for all those factors to come

1102
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: into play, like barametric pressure and like a red moon

1103
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: uh day where the movement times up perfectly and all

1104
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: those things. But being on public and having other people

1105
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: hunting these deer and having these deer shift around a

1106
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: lot based on food sources, when the opportunity is in

1107
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: front of me, I just have to go in tight

1108
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: to the bedding and take the shot. Yeah, that makes

1109
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. You know, one thing we haven't

1110
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: talked about, and I gotta believe you have. Some of

1111
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: this is history from previous years, you know, whether it

1112
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: be sightings from past years or pictures from past years.

1113
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: Does that factor into your patterns at all? Or with public?

1114
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: Does that stuff not hold up? Daniel patterns not hold

1115
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: up in your neck of the woods, No, it definitely does.

1116
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: That's something that I focus on quite a bit where

1117
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: if I have a buck that I've been following for

1118
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: two or three years, and I've had cameras in that area,

1119
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: and then I see like how he's shifting through that

1120
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: system throughout the fall. I will definitely play that to

1121
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: my advantage and I'll use it for like planning my

1122
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: access routes and to kill that deer. For how I

1123
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: want to lay my cameras out, you know the following year,

1124
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: how I would want to check them um, and then

1125
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: basically how I would how I wouldhunt that deer. I'm

1126
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: I'm looking at that inventory and the intel a lot um.

1127
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: You know, I've had a lot of deer that as

1128
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: they ship, like I might have my tag field already,

1129
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: but I'm still gaining that every year. Uh two years ago,

1130
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: I chased the deer based on that information, and I

1131
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 1: knew that a specific spot really heated up with his activity,

1132
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: like he would be on the scrapes every day in

1133
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: this one betting area late October it was like the

1134
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: November four There was like a six or seven day

1135
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: window there, and I targeted that deer based on that

1136
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: and had two or three different encounters with him and

1137
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: just couldn't seal the deal. But it got me in

1138
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: the game on that specific deer where I could have

1139
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: been out somewhere totally different if I wouldn't have had

1140
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: that in that until Yeah, what would you say is

1141
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 1: the best time of the season two pattern a buck

1142
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: on public lands pattern kill a buck. I've heard you

1143
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: talk a lot about the early part of the year.

1144
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: Is that is that the time? Is that why you

1145
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: love that time of year or is there some other part?

1146
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 1: Early season is to me, hands down the best opportunity

1147
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: at targeting a deer and killing him like and the

1148
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: reason being is you you can spend all year gaining

1149
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 1: that data for that one hunt, all summer gaining data.

1150
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: You can put all the pieces together and then go

1151
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: in and just take that shot at him, if you know,

1152
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: like this year, for example, early seasons come gone and

1153
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,959
Speaker 1: we're coming into mid October now and things are gonna

1154
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: start changing. So I would say that the best opportunity

1155
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: for me to do that now would be late season here,

1156
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: so we get to hunt in January, and I would

1157
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: say that early season has been like through camera data

1158
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: and then being out in the woods, early season has

1159
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: been the time that I found like the most consistent

1160
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: deer movement and the most like I can just I

1161
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 1: can I know what they're generally gonna do. But late

1162
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: season would definitely be second. Like January, I have just

1163
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: as many good bucks that are very consistent that time

1164
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: of year is just normally I'm tagged out. Um, but

1165
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: I do try to get other people those deer. And

1166
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: so that's something that you know I have in the

1167
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: back of my head this year is I have spots

1168
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: that heat up late season, where like I haven't located

1169
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: a good buck yet, but some of these spots, like

1170
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: a chestnut oak ridge that's dropping really good, We'll have

1171
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: deer from miles come to that ridge late season in

1172
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: some of these areas, and so there's a good chance

1173
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: that there would be a good one there, like there's

1174
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: been the last two years, and I can get on

1175
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,919
Speaker 1: him and chase him based on not only that the

1176
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: annual data like we were talking about the historical data,

1177
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: but based on the fact that he's just gonna shift

1178
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 1: back into that area for that food source. YEA, So

1179
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: early season, late season best times of year to pattern

1180
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: a buck. What do you think about the rut? Can

1181
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: you pattern a deer in your kind of area? I'm

1182
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: public land during the rut or at that point do

1183
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: you throat all off the window? Um, I'm I'm probably

1184
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: the worst person to talk to about the rut because

1185
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: I love early season. I focused on that so much,

1186
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: and I've been fortunate enough to feel quite a few

1187
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: of my tags in that first like week time frame. Um.

1188
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: I did fill my tag in the rut two years

1189
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: ago though, and I ended up filing my tag hunting

1190
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: a buck betting area like I've walked in. One day,

1191
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: I found a bunch of scrapes opened up in a bottom,

1192
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: and I told myself, he's in that betting area and

1193
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna come out just like he normally would like, Yes,

1194
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: he's probably going to go look for doze that night,

1195
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna hunt him just like he said in

1196
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: his bed, and he's dropping down out of this drainage.

1197
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: And I went in and he did. He stood right

1198
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: up out of his bed and came to eighteen yards.

1199
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: Uh so yeah, for me, I don't I can't find

1200
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: a pattern there. Maybe the only pattern would be that

1201
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: historical like three to four day windows when some of

1202
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: these maybe the dough groups are are going into heat

1203
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: or uh like the deer just filtering through these areas

1204
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. But typically for me, it's a free

1205
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: for all. It's they're all over the place, and I

1206
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: feel completely out of my element because I'm not playing

1207
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: the chess match necessarily, um, and there's guys that can

1208
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,479
Speaker 1: do that and that are very good at playing that match.

1209
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: I just down here in the hills, I haven't had

1210
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: very much success doing that. Yeah. Well, I don't think

1211
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: you're too unique in that. I think there's a lot

1212
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: of people that heather heads scratched, the scratching their heads

1213
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to uh early in mid November when

1214
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: they're after specific deer at least, it's it's it's definitely

1215
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: a little bit wilder. Um. You know, something we didn't

1216
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: talk a lot about, but I mean you've mentioned here

1217
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: and there, but what about like the physical actual sign

1218
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: on the ground when you're doing this in season patterning.

1219
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: You know, let's say we're we're you've you've cast your

1220
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: wide net already and you've narrowed it down like there's

1221
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: a deer year after, or there's a couple of deer

1222
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: year after and a couple of zones you're focusing on.

1223
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: You've got your cameras in the hub scrapes, you've checked

1224
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: them a time or two. You have a little bit

1225
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: of history with these deer. So so there's a lot

1226
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: of data not to work with. How does you know

1227
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: actual tracks on the ground or bigger rubs or scrapes

1228
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: factor into you know, your data set, is it? Do

1229
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: you not even need that stuff because you've already scouted it,

1230
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: you already had the pictures and now you're just hunting

1231
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: or you still looking at that stuff and tweaking and

1232
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: fine tuning stuff. You know, in October or whatever time

1233
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: of year, it is, yeah, that that ground data is

1234
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: going to be hu especially this time of year, starting

1235
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: to get into mid October, when the deer shifting around,

1236
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: like almost on a daily basis, some of these white

1237
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: oaks are drying up and they're shifting off the white

1238
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: so on the reds, or they're shifting over to some

1239
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: sort of bag, or you know, they're bouncing around a

1240
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: lot um. So a lot of times I can get

1241
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: into the right drainage and within like fifty yards of

1242
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: walking into that drainage, in my head, I know whether

1243
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be close to killing one or not. And

1244
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: it's just like you start walking in and it's like scrape, scrape, scrape,

1245
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: They're all opened up. Well, I know that those are

1246
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: the secondary scrapes where he's just running out the strainage

1247
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: at night, But I know where his primary is and

1248
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: if these are open and his big tracks are here

1249
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: and they look like they got kicked up this morning

1250
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: while I'm in the game, and I'm gonna go in

1251
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: with you know, I'm going in to kill um. But

1252
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: if you get into the you know some of these

1253
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: drainages that have historically had that really good sign, if

1254
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: I go in there and they're just dried up, I'm

1255
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a lot of different approach to that,

1256
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: especially this year with the h D thing down here,

1257
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: that's gonna play a big role because if I get

1258
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: in the areas and there's just no deer sign, like

1259
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: you know, before the podcast, we were talking about a

1260
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: couple of these white oak flats I found that have

1261
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: very little deer sign on them and they're actively dropping. Well,

1262
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: there's a problem there. Something something's not right, and I'll

1263
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: probably just vacate that area and not spend a ton

1264
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: of time there because there should be a bunch of

1265
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: sign there and historically there has been, and something is

1266
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: just off this year. So you know, if I go

1267
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: into pull cameras and my cameras are telling me there's

1268
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: nothing there and there's no sign, it's it's I'm just

1269
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 1: gonna vacate that area now if I go in to

1270
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: pull my cameras and my cameras aren't hot, but there's

1271
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of sign and I'm just off with my cameras. Well,

1272
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure out how to hunt that spot and

1273
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: figure out what kind of deer is in there and

1274
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: how I can target him because I'm just not set

1275
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: up right. Yeah, you know that brings up a question, Um,

1276
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, actual observations of deer in season when you've

1277
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: got us scenario like that where you where you think

1278
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: there's something going on in the area, but your cameras

1279
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: haven't quite told her what it is. Do you do

1280
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: you do observation type sits in that kind of habitat?

1281
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: Is there a way to do that where you're, you know,

1282
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: trying to be low impact and learning with your eyes,

1283
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: but you know, not necessarily plunging right in for a

1284
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: kill hunt. Can you Can you do that on public

1285
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: land and you're kind of habitat? Yes? Absolutely, And the

1286
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: more the leaves fall off, the better those opportunities get.

1287
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:28,439
Speaker 1: So by late October when most of the I would

1288
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: say the majority of the leaves are off down here, Um,

1289
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: I can sit on an adjacent ridge with like a

1290
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: south wind in my face and watch that north slope

1291
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: all morning with just glass. I can glass like you

1292
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: would be out west and just watch the deer filter

1293
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: back into those betting areas and then I can make

1294
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: a play based off that. And that's something that I

1295
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 1: will do quite a bit this year, especially late season,

1296
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: like late season, having that having the eyes on the

1297
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: deer that morning is going to be huge to me

1298
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,959
Speaker 1: if I get in that situation. Um, And I'll even

1299
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 1: do it now, Like the sits that I've taken this

1300
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: year are are basically observation sits because there was signed

1301
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: in that area, so I haven't had the data that

1302
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: I need or basically knew there was a buck there

1303
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: I want to target and I don't want to completely

1304
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: blow out that area, so I can sit back and

1305
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: just watch an oak flat from afar with a good

1306
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: wind and make sure I can get out of their

1307
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: clean And I'm just observing some of these spots. So yeah,

1308
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: that's something that I focused on quite a bit. Do

1309
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: you do any kind of UM, I guess I don't know,

1310
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: is is UH is shining or anything like that legal

1311
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: in Ohio. I can't remember what it is down there. No,

1312
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: it is not legal in Ohio unfortunately. Okay, do you

1313
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: ever do evening drives and and actually look for deer

1314
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: on the edge of fields at all in season? I

1315
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: don't know if these big bucks ever rolling down to

1316
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: egg in daylight at that point. Probably, But is that

1317
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: something that ever happens when you're really struggling to find

1318
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: these deer or something like that. I haven't done it

1319
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 1: a whole lot down here, to be honest with you.

1320
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: And it's a lot of that has to do with

1321
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: the egg just getting cut and enroll and then it

1322
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: dries up within a couple of days, it seems like,

1323
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: after getting cut. But yeah, the majority of it's going

1324
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: to be trying to find spots that I can observe

1325
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: in the woods, like in the hard woods. Okay, well,

1326
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: let's let's zoom out just a little bit more. I

1327
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: feel like we've got a good sense of you know,

1328
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: how you're getting all this data. I'm kind of I

1329
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: wonder if I wonder what your nights look like. Well,

1330
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound weird, you know, Like on an

1331
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: in season October night, I'll be sitting on my computer

1332
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: or sitting a bell on my phone. And there's that

1333
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: scene in The Hangover. I don't know if you remember this,

1334
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: but there's the scene the Hangover where Zach Galafanakis was

1335
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: playing something in Vegas and then he's doing the whole

1336
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: rain Man thing where you see like all these numbers

1337
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: in his head and he's like trying to dial in

1338
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: exactly what's going on. There's a great little gift the

1339
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: people share these this time of year, where basically he's

1340
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: thinking through every possible scenario that could happen in his

1341
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 1: card game. I feel like that's me in season, where

1342
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: every night I'm like looking at my pictures and looking

1343
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: at my spreadsheet and looking at the weather and looking

1344
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: at the wind direction and looking at my maps, and

1345
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: my nights are just this endless analysis of what might

1346
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: happen tomorrow. Where should I go tomorrow? Or or when

1347
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: should I shift to this place during the weekend. What

1348
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: does the typical in season night, if that's when you

1349
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: do this kind of stuff look like for you? And

1350
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: can you kind of walk me through an example of

1351
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: of how you pair down or come up with a

1352
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: plan for the day. You know, are you looking at

1353
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: a really wide area still and thinking there. Well, today,

1354
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 1: I could do this, but I don't have the right

1355
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: wind or these cameras tell me x So I'm gonna

1356
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: do something different, Like what does the analysis part of

1357
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: your process look like in the season. So you pretty

1358
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: much nailed it, honestly. I mean it's hours and hours

1359
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: every night, whether it's on the couch or at the

1360
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: table or laying in bed, just going through my phone,

1361
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: going through all my logs, going through any data I have,

1362
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 1: trying to come up with a with a plan for

1363
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: the next day. Um. You know, last night I was

1364
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: on my maps going through everything, and I decided, after

1365
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 1: looking at the wind, looking at the hourly data, looking

1366
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: at like windy for the specific directions of the day,

1367
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 1: and how I think these currents are going to play

1368
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: into some of these areas, I came up with an

1369
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: access route for today for that one spot to check

1370
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: the cameras I was telling you about. And then if

1371
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: I get in there and that's dried up and those

1372
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: cameras aren't telling me anything good, I'll back out. And

1373
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: then you know, last night I found a new area

1374
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: that's uh probably twenty miles south of there that I

1375
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: want to go check. And it's it sets up good

1376
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: for the wind of the day, and that's one of

1377
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: the biggest things. It's like sets up good for a

1378
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 1: for a southwest or a south wind. Uh So I'll

1379
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: go into that system and then I'll lay down those

1380
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 1: new cameras And that's kind of just my same process

1381
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: over and over right now until I located Deer. Now,

1382
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 1: once I located Buck, that's gonna change a lot. I'm

1383
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: gonna really fine tune on that specific area right now,

1384
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just casting the giant net out and

1385
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: then as soon as I get a hit, I'll say, okay,

1386
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: I need to really find too and focus in. I

1387
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: might pull resources from from other areas if I need to.

1388
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: If it's an area that I'm really familiar with, I'll

1389
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: have a better idea what's going on. But it's going

1390
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 1: to be the same process, going through the maps, going

1391
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: through the weather data, going through everything that I have,

1392
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: trying to just come up with that game plan for

1393
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,480
Speaker 1: the day. Yeah, that's sometimes the most fun. At least

1394
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: I love that stuff. Oh yeah, absolutely all right. If

1395
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: you were to look back over your years of doing this, Jake,

1396
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: what would you say is the biggest mistake you've made

1397
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: When it comes to trying to pattern during public claim,

1398
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: does anything jump out to you that now looking back,

1399
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: you realize out what a dummy I was. I would

1400
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 1: say early on the biggest mistake was just not being

1401
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: aggressive enough and trusting my gut. And I've went to

1402
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: the complete opposite side of that spectrum now where if

1403
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: I have the gut feeling, I just go with it. Um.

1404
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: What I've learned over the years is like you know

1405
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: how it is, you get into a spot and you're like,

1406
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 1: should I should I push on? Should I stay here?

1407
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: Like my guts telling me this, my brains telling me this.

1408
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: I don't. Is there more rubs up there? This is

1409
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: really hot and it looks really good, but maybe I

1410
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: need to push further. Like now, I just whatever my

1411
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: gut tells me, I do, And a lot of times

1412
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm still wrong. But I feel like you just evolve

1413
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: so much better from trusting that instinct, and then your

1414
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: instinct changes over time and it becomes, you know, correct

1415
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: more often like you get you end up being closer,

1416
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 1: you get like that spiky sense feeling. Uh So, yeah,

1417
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 1: I would say definitely, hands down. The number one thing

1418
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: that I've learned is just to really trust myself to

1419
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 1: be very confident in what I'm doing, and sometimes that

1420
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 1: requires like a false face of confidence, but it works.

1421
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: I'll find myself. Like if I tell myself when I

1422
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: leave the house, I'm killing today that buck is beded

1423
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: in that bed and I'm gonna go and find the sign.

1424
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure out how to set up on him.

1425
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to kill him. I hunt a lot differently

1426
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 1: than if I go out and I say, well, I'm

1427
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 1: just gonna kind of like meander out into the woods

1428
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: and see what happens. I just like I'm so much

1429
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: more fine tuned and focused on the minor details when

1430
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 1: I go in with that killed mentality. So that's one

1431
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: thing I either hopefully have for the day or I'll

1432
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: try to like put on that face for the day,

1433
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: um before I go out. Dude, those are the best days.

1434
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 1: I love that feeling so much. When you like have

1435
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: that feeling like this is a kill set, that is

1436
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: just the the thing I live for that. Yeah, me too.

1437
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's it's an awesome feeling, and it's like

1438
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 1: it's so hard to explain, you know, Like you get

1439
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: the goose bumps on the back of your neck, and

1440
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 1: your hair stands up and you're just like, Yeah, today's

1441
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: the day I'm going for it. Yeah, that's that's the

1442
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 1: good stuff. So so here's like a flip side kind

1443
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: of that question, which is, you know, can you think

1444
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: back to any specific moment when you had like that

1445
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 1: very most important ah ha kind of moment. Is there

1446
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: any hunt or deer or or day where you can

1447
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: think back like all of a sudden there was like

1448
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 1: a light switch event where you're like, ah, this is

1449
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,679
Speaker 1: what I need to do or oh, this is how

1450
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: you pattern deer down here? Is there any specific kind

1451
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: of situation that you can think back on like that

1452
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 1: that that you could talk about. Uh, I would say

1453
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: it happened before I came down here. I grew up

1454
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: kind of hunting the same type of terrain, Like it

1455
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: was a little more mountainous, not quite as much egg,

1456
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 1: but it's set up really the same way where they

1457
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: were betting Leeward and they were kind of having they

1458
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 1: had the same like general routes and things like that. Um.

1459
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: But growing up, yes, I had a ton of those moments.

1460
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: And one that really sticks out to me. Funny enough,

1461
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 1: isn't really a hill country Aha, moment. It's an an

1462
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: egg moment. But when I when I could first bow hunt,

1463
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: I would go all with my dad and my grandpa

1464
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: all the time, and we had like typical New York

1465
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 1: like hunters. It was just how we were all brought up.

1466
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: We would sit in the top of this big shooting tower,

1467
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 1: so it was they had a coffee pot down below

1468
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: that they go downstairs and brewing coffee. And this is,

1469
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, early October, we're doing that, and we would

1470
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: just sit out there and we would never be really

1471
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,400
Speaker 1: close to killing a deer. We would wash them all

1472
01:11:14,439 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: in the fields all the time, but we were two

1473
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: yards away from the field, so you got to see

1474
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: a lot, but you were never really in the game.

1475
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: And one day I told my my dad and my grandpa,

1476
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna go like we had We've

1477
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: been sitting up there and we watched this buck across

1478
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: the corner of this field like three nights in a row,

1479
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: and every night we knew when he was going to

1480
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: come out, but we all just kept sitting up on

1481
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: top of that shack. And this was like the mobile

1482
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: hunter moment for me, where I told my dad and

1483
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: my grandpa was like, hey, I'm gonna go down there

1484
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: and sit on that hedgerow and I'm gonna kill that deer.

1485
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 1: And they both looked at me like I had twelve eyeballs.

1486
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: They were like, you're not gonna get anywhere close to that, dear,

1487
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: you have no chance. And my dad he's passed now,

1488
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: but he used to tell the story that him and

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01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 1: like I got down and they see me take my

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01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: bow and I'm going through the ushed and I'm headed

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01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: over that way, and they're like, this kid's nuts, like

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01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: what is he doing? And I couldn't They couldn't believe it.

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01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 1: But like thirty minutes later, that buck popped out in

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01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: the corner of that field and I'm at like five yards,

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01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 1: and uh, it was really cold, and I couldn't. I

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01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,600
Speaker 1: drew my bow back and I had a glove on.

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01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: I couldn't reach the trigger of my release because I

1498
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: had an old flect hunter back in the day. But

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01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: I was full drawn on this like really good three

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01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: or four year old buck for New York at five

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01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 1: yards and they were just watching this whole thing happened.

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01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,680
Speaker 1: They couldn't believe that it happened. And the deer ended

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01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: up running off and everything but like that was the

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01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: moment for me. I was like this this works, Like

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01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: if you see him doing something, just go over to

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01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,320
Speaker 1: where they were. And that's how that evolution started for me,

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01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: where it was as simple as watch it be on

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01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,559
Speaker 1: the you know, the tree stand the field and watch

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01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 1: him come down and then just go ground hunt over

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01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: by that spot the next day. And that's how I

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01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: killed deer as a kid. Like that was how it

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01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 1: all started for me. Um, yeah, it's just evolved. That's awesome. Alright,

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Speaker 1: So last question, want to wrap up tie a bow

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01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: on this thing if you were to, I don't know.

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01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 1: Let's say you're writing the three Commandments a Patterning Deer

1516
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 1: on public Land, written by Jake Bush, and we're gonna

1517
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 1: take this and put them on a piece of rock

1518
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,799
Speaker 1: on a mountaintop that all the deer hunting folks that

1519
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 1: want to be like Jake could go to and read

1520
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: your through your three commandments for patterning deer in public land?

1521
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: What would these three commandments be? These three most important

1522
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: rules two dialing in the pattern on these big old

1523
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: deer on this tough ground where everybody else can hunt

1524
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 1: them too. Can you can you come up with us

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01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: three most important things, Jake, and I'm sure we've talked

1526
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: about them, but the highlight those three most important rules

1527
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: for me, I would say boots on the ground scouting,

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01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: and that's putting as many miles as you can a

1529
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: year on your boots. Like I try to be roughly

1530
01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:59,720
Speaker 1: around five miles a year scouting around the hills looking

1531
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: for a dere uh. Sometimes it's a little less, sometimes

1532
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: it's a little more, but that mileage is what gives

1533
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: me that data. Without that, I'm just throwing guesses at

1534
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 1: the wind and I'm not even gonna be close. I

1535
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: could look into one every once in a while, but

1536
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 1: that's where that's the fund. Like, the foundation of this

1537
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: is just being willing to put the work in to

1538
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: go find the deer and find the data that you need.

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01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 1: After that, I would say that it's gonna be just

1540
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 1: really trusting your thought process and your beliefs and staying

1541
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 1: focused on what you need to do. Um. I have

1542
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that I know that are really

1543
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: really good hunters that kill every year, that want to

1544
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,840
Speaker 1: be better at the early season game, but they just

1545
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: don't trust themselves enough. And a lot of times, like

1546
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot of my buddies, I will tell them, you

1547
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: have everything that you need. You did all the work,

1548
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: You've done, the scouting, you've done, the boots on the ground,

1549
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,919
Speaker 1: you have him on camera, you know where he's betted.

1550
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: Why are you sitting back two or three yards away

1551
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: from that deer? Go kill him? And like, well, what

1552
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 1: if he's not there? Just you gotta trust what you did,

1553
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: Like you did all the work. If if you trust

1554
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: your gut and your thought and you go in there

1555
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 1: and you get like you you're going to be close

1556
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: to killing him. And if you don't, you're gonna learn

1557
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 1: a really valuable lesson. So that is a is a

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01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 1: huge thing. And then uh number three would really be

1559
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 1: just the willingness to adapt throughout the season, throughout your scouting. Um,

1560
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: you know this, this is constantly changing due to the

1561
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: e h D thing. This year. I could just give

1562
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: up and I could either go kill of a different

1563
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: deer or I could just give up on the season.

1564
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: But like I'm adapting and I'm trying to just go

1565
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: try to trying to go find another deer and then

1566
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: continue that process. Um and or like out West for

1567
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: example last year, where I kept running into hunters in Kansas,

1568
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: and then I went to like six or seven spots

1569
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: in a day and a half. It kept running into hunters.

1570
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: I got back in my maps. I just you know,

1571
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 1: I told myself, Okay, everything you did the scouting wise

1572
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: is wrong. You need to adapt. You need to come

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01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,040
Speaker 1: up with a different plan. I found a spot I

1574
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: didn't have many trees, and I went in the first

1575
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 1: time day two and killed my book. And so just

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01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 1: the willingness to adapt to anything that can arise is

1577
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 1: going to help all out to Yeah, great advice. Well, Jake,

1578
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: if folks want to follow along with you either this

1579
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: season or see some of the past success you've had,

1580
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: where can people see that and connect with the online yep?

1581
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 1: So the Jake Bush on Instagram, Jake Bush on Facebook,

1582
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 1: and then Legends of the Hunt on YouTube was where

1583
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 1: most of my hunts are filmed and posted. Awesome, man,

1584
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 1: I really appreciate this is this has been fun and

1585
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 1: it's great to get to, uh get a peek behind

1586
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: the curtain of how you're doing this year. You're getting

1587
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: on some awesome deer down there, whether it's Ohio or Kansas.

1588
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: And I know you had a lot of success in

1589
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: New York. So it's it's really cool to see how

1590
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 1: that all comes together. So thank you for sharing this. Yeah,

1591
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: thanks for having me Mark. I appreciate it and that

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01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 1: will do it. Thank you all for tuning in a

1593
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: couple of quick updates. Make sure you are following me

1594
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: on Instagram at wired Hunt to be able to kind

1595
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: of follow along with my worry throughout the rest of

1596
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: the season. Please head on over to the meat either

1597
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 1: YouTube channel and check out Dear Country. The whole season

1598
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: is out now, all six episodes. I hope you've been

1599
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,280
Speaker 1: enjoying that. If you haven't been able to give it

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01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: a watch, please do so. Give it a like, go

1601
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 1: to subscribe, let me know what you think. Thank you

1602
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 1: for that. Uh. Otherwise, get out there, get hunting. We

1603
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: are quickly approaching the rut the Super bowls almost here,

1604
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 1: but we've got some good stuff right now, so take

1605
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: advantage of it. Enjoy these late October days. Stuff is

1606
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: getting good. Let's have some fun. Thanks for tuning in

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Speaker 1: and stay Wired to Hunt.