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Speaker 1: hear Joe seven for seven seven, we're getting going, Hey,
Speaker 1: we got a great show for you guys. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk NFL week seven. We're gonna clean up week six
Speaker 1: because there was a lot to clean up in week six.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk week seven, and we got a special guest,
Speaker 1: my man Bruce arians stick around for that. That's a
Speaker 1: great interview. That's the question. That's the question where we'll
Speaker 1: get to that a little bit later on. So let's talk.
Speaker 1: Let's clean up week six and let's go. Look, everybody
Speaker 1: was talking about Monday Night, right, Lions Packers, Primetime, Monday Night,
Speaker 1: a lot to to kind of break down. But we
Speaker 1: we've kind of been we've been consistent with these tweets,
Speaker 1: the social media, you know, presence. Typically it's it's been
Speaker 1: Thursday night tweets. But let's go with a little Monday
Speaker 1: night tweets. What do you got first? Travels? Yea, Clay Matthews.
Speaker 1: He uh, he said. The storyline for the twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: season continues to be the ref's inability to make the
Speaker 1: accurate and correct calls weekend and week out. Al Riveron
Speaker 1: continues to blindly side with the refs, with his refs
Speaker 1: and the current status quo, something must change, zero accountability,
Speaker 1: and then he throws in a hashtag that I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what this is hashtag through the Wired. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know what that I mean. I remember, I remember
Speaker 1: the Shaka Kan song through the Fire, but I don't
Speaker 1: remember what through the Wire is? Am I showing my
Speaker 1: wyoming all. We're gonna have to We'll look that up.
Speaker 1: But okay, so not not good for Clay. In terms
Speaker 1: of his his interaction with the league was fined you
Speaker 1: can't criticize the officiating publicly, criticized the officiat. You can
Speaker 1: do it all you want privately, but not publicly, and
Speaker 1: he was fine to twelve thousand, five hundred dollars. Lions
Speaker 1: head coach Matt Patricia was a little a little more
Speaker 1: diplomatic what did What did coach Patricia say after the game.
Speaker 1: He went with a little coach speak and this is
Speaker 1: what he has to do. He said, we didn't do
Speaker 1: enough to win. The plays that mattered aren't the ones
Speaker 1: everyone is talking about. I'm not asking anyone to help
Speaker 1: us win the game. It's not the refs, it's us,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's I mean, I think that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of the right response. Look, we get it, it's
Speaker 1: it's it was a tough game. There was some controversial calls.
Speaker 1: They all went field, felt like they all went against
Speaker 1: the Lions, and Lions lose a one point game, so
Speaker 1: obviously everybody wants to talk about the officiator. Let's just
Speaker 1: quitly breakdown. Look, there were two illegal hands to the
Speaker 1: face calls in that game, both on Trey Flowers, both
Speaker 1: on third downs that extended drives. And uh, he was
Speaker 1: you know, he was going up against David bo tr
Speaker 1: I think I think one of the things with the
Speaker 1: rule and people think, okay, illegal hands to the face,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a misnomal because it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be to the face. Do we have that do
Speaker 1: we have that sound bite? Joe? Did we take it
Speaker 1: out you know, you gotta let me know these things. Fine,
Speaker 1: I thought we had the Eddie Murphy in the face
Speaker 1: and perfect would have been a perfect time for it.
Speaker 1: But obviously audio guy dropped, dropped the ball down. Have
Speaker 1: the rights. I don't need Eddie Murphy calls. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So so there you go, so trouble it up there.
Speaker 1: You gonna do it twice. But so the bottom line is,
Speaker 1: it's it's head neck area, and it's it's it's contact
Speaker 1: that is either prolonged to the head neck area or
Speaker 1: contact that is forcible that uh to the head neck area.
Speaker 1: And and so neck is part of it. And the
Speaker 1: contact it was right, it was near the collar. The
Speaker 1: head goes back. It happens at full speed. The official
Speaker 1: has to make a split second decision. And I can
Speaker 1: understand why it was called in real time. But obviously
Speaker 1: these are these are big calls. They're automatic first downs,
Speaker 1: and they extended the drive. So so you have those
Speaker 1: those calls. You had a hit on on Geronimo Allison.
Speaker 1: That was actually you know, it was a scary situation,
Speaker 1: Tracy Walker. There's helmet to helmet contact. I get it.
Speaker 1: I understand why on the field the call is made.
Speaker 1: You have helmet helmet contact the clearly forcible Tracy Walker
Speaker 1: when you watch the replay though, he's making a play
Speaker 1: on the ball, and and you know, we would always
Speaker 1: we would always look at it as if the defender
Speaker 1: has the same right to the football as the receiver,
Speaker 1: and and if he's making a play on the ball,
Speaker 1: a legitimate tempting to make a play on the ball,
Speaker 1: then then that contact would be considered incidental. So so
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that was a foul, but I
Speaker 1: understand why it was called in real time because that
Speaker 1: happens so quickly. And in all of this we get
Speaker 1: the benefit of slow motion replay and multiple angles. The
Speaker 1: official has to make the call in real time, split
Speaker 1: second from their perspective, and then we get to we
Speaker 1: get to analyze it with with more resources. And then
Speaker 1: you know, we talk about mechanics a little bit, and
Speaker 1: you said, you you mentioned perspective. Can we talk about
Speaker 1: like what guy is supposed to be watching which thing?
Speaker 1: I know people asked about that on Twitter and on
Speaker 1: on social media. Well, yeah, you look at so every
Speaker 1: you talk about past play mechanics and and every eligible
Speaker 1: receiver has an official that is responsible at least initially
Speaker 1: for that receiver. So so at the snap you have
Speaker 1: a you have an initial key and so and based
Speaker 1: on the formation and typically so you have a deep
Speaker 1: a d wing official that's an official that is that
Speaker 1: is on the sideline that is about twenty yards downfield.
Speaker 1: It's either the field judge or the side judge. They
Speaker 1: they will have the widest receiver in the formation on
Speaker 1: their side of the field. That's how that's where they start.
Speaker 1: But obviously, you know, receivers don't necessarily run routes right
Speaker 1: up the field. There's crossing routes, there's different things. So
Speaker 1: sometimes there can be a switch. You know, there could
Speaker 1: be a switch the back judges in the middle of
Speaker 1: the field. The batch the back judge many times has
Speaker 1: the tight end and so there could be a crossing
Speaker 1: route where they have to switch. And so there's a
Speaker 1: lot of times where the the officials will go to
Speaker 1: a zone concept. So it's man zone ball. That's what
Speaker 1: they teach the officials. So you start with your man,
Speaker 1: then you go to a zone and then when the
Speaker 1: ball is in the air, you should go to where
Speaker 1: the ball is going. So every official is going towards
Speaker 1: the ball. If not every official, but every official, the
Speaker 1: downfield officials, especially to that side of the field. If
Speaker 1: we're talking about if it's if it's on the one
Speaker 1: side of the field, you're gonna go to the football.
Speaker 1: So you should have multiple sets of eyes on that play.
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of things to look at.
Speaker 1: You know, is it a catch, was there interference? Was
Speaker 1: there a hole? You know, is there is there contact
Speaker 1: to the headneck area? And so again it happens quickly
Speaker 1: you can understand why that call was made and uh
Speaker 1: and and then again we look at it and we
Speaker 1: slow it down and we determined that he was making
Speaker 1: a play on the ball. You know. Then then you
Speaker 1: talk about obviously pass an inference and there was a
Speaker 1: no call on Marvin Jones will Redman, the defensive back
Speaker 1: for the Packers. Look, it's pass an inference. I mean
Speaker 1: he's not playing the ball. He has his arm across
Speaker 1: the chest and before the ball gets there, and it's
Speaker 1: past inference. There's no flag on the field. And it's
Speaker 1: a coach's challenge situation where outside two minutes and Patricia
Speaker 1: doesn't throw the flag. And this is where we are today,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna hear coach arians talk about this later
Speaker 1: in our interview. Where the coaches are are not they're
Speaker 1: gonna keep the flag in their pocket unless it is
Speaker 1: so latently obvious or it's such a critical point in
Speaker 1: the game where they just have to take a chance.
Speaker 1: They're not going to challenge the call on the field
Speaker 1: because what we've seen is that the bar is so
Speaker 1: high to overturn that call. And uh, and I think
Speaker 1: that's where we are with past deference. Unofficially. We had
Speaker 1: I think five more reviews this week in Week seven
Speaker 1: and UH and zero reversal, So we haven't had a
Speaker 1: reversal for past interference since Week three of the regular season.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is where the league wanted it
Speaker 1: to go? So it kind of just buries the story
Speaker 1: because if you're changing them all the time, then you
Speaker 1: get into a little bit of a gray area there.
Speaker 1: I do think that this is where there's no question,
Speaker 1: there's a directive that we're only going to overturn the
Speaker 1: the blatantly obvious calls. And I think it has changed.
Speaker 1: It's changed from what was presented in the offseason. It's
Speaker 1: changed from even the first couple of weeks of the
Speaker 1: season where we saw some calls that were overturned that
Speaker 1: weren't as obvious as as what the standard appears to
Speaker 1: be now. And uh and and look, I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: think that's a bad thing. I think if the Saints
Speaker 1: RAMS is the standard, then that's the standard. But but
Speaker 1: you'd want that to be consistent throughout. And we've talked
Speaker 1: about this, but but I think you know what what
Speaker 1: stem from that game? Right? You have a primetime game
Speaker 1: and it felt like everybody had an opinion on officiating.
Speaker 1: And you look at Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and it was
Speaker 1: like anyone, you know, all the talking heads, everybody, everybody
Speaker 1: became an expert on officiating. And it's broken, and it's
Speaker 1: a problem and the you know, the future of football
Speaker 1: is in jeopardy. And and look, the bottom line is
Speaker 1: that I've been around the NFL, I started in and
Speaker 1: and this is not I've been through. Even when I
Speaker 1: was out of officiating, there there were times where it
Speaker 1: felt there were these controversial calls every week and people
Speaker 1: were saying, this is the worst it's ever been. It's
Speaker 1: the worst that's ever been. Now it's you know, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think it's the worst it's ever been.
Speaker 1: Of course, I do feel like the scrutiny and the
Speaker 1: attention on officiating continues to increase and so and with
Speaker 1: social media and everybody has a platform, I do feel
Speaker 1: like the the attention is greater. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: it's the worst that it's ever been. I think the
Speaker 1: officials are better now. They're they're more fit, they're better trained,
Speaker 1: they have more resources. But the game continues to get faster,
Speaker 1: we continue to throw more rules at the officials and
Speaker 1: uh and it becomes increasingly harder to officiate these games
Speaker 1: in real time. And and so, you know, I went
Speaker 1: on I went on the pregame show on Sunday on
Speaker 1: the Kickoff Show with with Tony Gonzalez and Dave Wants
Speaker 1: That and Colin Coward, and we were talking about you
Speaker 1: know what, what what is the solution? You know what?
Speaker 1: What is not necessary that it's broken? And but what
Speaker 1: is the solution? And I look at these plays and
Speaker 1: I say, look, we can't just throw a replay at
Speaker 1: what we think of problem is. We have to get
Speaker 1: down to the root of are the officials on the
Speaker 1: field calling the game consistently? Are they making because I
Speaker 1: look at that no call on Marvin Jones and I
Speaker 1: go the the The issues shouldn't be why didn't coach
Speaker 1: Patricia challenge it? The issues should be why wasn't there
Speaker 1: a flag on the field to begin with? Okay, we're
Speaker 1: we're the officials looking where they needed to look where
Speaker 1: they you know, are they getting the correct direction? Are
Speaker 1: they getting good communication from the league office, from the
Speaker 1: Competition committee to ensure that we're calling these games consistently?
Speaker 1: And I think that's what everyone wants. Everyone wants consistency.
Speaker 1: I think that's where you have to get to UM
Speaker 1: when it comes to officiate and good communication across all
Speaker 1: of your seventeen crews, every official looking at the game
Speaker 1: the same way, And I think that's where you have
Speaker 1: to start. And you don't, necessarily, um, you know, just
Speaker 1: throw replay at the problem because replays limited it and
Speaker 1: you can't. You're gonna make there's a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: five roughly a hundred and fifty five plays per game.
Speaker 1: Per NFL game, you have seven officials when you talk
Speaker 1: about pre snap, during the play, and after the play,
Speaker 1: they're making five six, seven, seven decisions per play. If
Speaker 1: you do the math, we're talking about thousands of decisions
Speaker 1: and split seconds every game, thousands of decisions, and what
Speaker 1: do we talk about We talk about four or five, right,
Speaker 1: four or five. So they're really good at what they do.
Speaker 1: And that's where we have to continue to focus and
Speaker 1: make sure the officials on the field have the resources
Speaker 1: that they need. The rules aren't overly complicated. We reduced
Speaker 1: the variables and and the performance on the field continues
Speaker 1: to improve. And then replaces there as a safety net.
Speaker 1: Replays not there to officiate games, it's there's a safety net.
Speaker 1: I think that's where we have to get back to.
Speaker 1: There was another thing that you and Gronk talk about
Speaker 1: then on the kickoffs. Oh, on the kickoffs. So Gronk,
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski is now working with us on Fox Sports.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and so gron came in with the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl trophy. So the Patriots the dent now the one
Speaker 1: that they just won that you can't it's hard to
Speaker 1: keep track. It's like which one right, there's what six
Speaker 1: of them? So gron came in and I just wanted
Speaker 1: to apologize to him and I in two thousand and
Speaker 1: fifteen when I was ahead of officiating Brian Dable, who
Speaker 1: was the tight ends coach for the Patriots at that time,
Speaker 1: Gronk's position coach. We used to talk almost weekly in
Speaker 1: and Brian would call me and he would talk about
Speaker 1: Gronk and offensive past inference. And here's a guy that is,
Speaker 1: for the most part, bigger and stronger than than anyone
Speaker 1: that's trying to cover he He is a big, big dude.
Speaker 1: And so here's a guy that's bigger and stronger, and
Speaker 1: he's getting held, he's getting he's getting contacted downfield, and
Speaker 1: he was getting called for past interference. So I was
Speaker 1: walking Brian through, Okay, here's what he has to do,
Speaker 1: here's what he has to avoid. Um, thinking I'm doing
Speaker 1: a good job. And then I went back and looked
Speaker 1: at the stats and he actually had six offensive past
Speaker 1: inference calls in two thousand fifteen, which was more than
Speaker 1: twenty four entire teams that year. So I had to
Speaker 1: apologize to Gronk for not he said he was. Gronk
Speaker 1: was great, he was cool. He's like, hey, bro, it's fine.
Speaker 1: You know, I just had guys car you know, I
Speaker 1: was carrying guys downfield and uh, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: get him off me. So was it a bit of
Speaker 1: a shock thing with him too? Like he had the
Speaker 1: hack is it's good and they were you know who
Speaker 1: was really good. You know, they played Denver a couple
Speaker 1: of times during that during that period, in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and during the regular season, and typically you had you
Speaker 1: had defensive backs that were covering him. Linebackers couldn't stay
Speaker 1: with him, and you had defensive back safeties that were
Speaker 1: covering him and uh, and what they would do is
Speaker 1: Gronk would Gronk would come down and uh and try
Speaker 1: to establish position and the defensive back, you know, it
Speaker 1: was almost as if like kind of like a flop
Speaker 1: where where there'd be a con tacked, the defensive back
Speaker 1: would fall backward and the official would see it, see
Speaker 1: that contact and and throw the flag on Gronk. So
Speaker 1: smart play, smart play by the defender. But I think
Speaker 1: it's something you know that that that shock. Shaquille O'Neil
Speaker 1: was right, so much bigger and stronger that that the
Speaker 1: forcible contact, the foul just didn't look as bad on
Speaker 1: him as it would say a six point guards. So
Speaker 1: definitely something to do with, you know, the size and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, of the athletes, he's a big dude. So
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's shift gears and let's talk about a
Speaker 1: crazy ending to a game on Sunday, it was. It
Speaker 1: was the Chargers Titans game, and this was bananas. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was unbelievable. So so the Charges were down by three,
Speaker 1: and so you have an end of game sequence that
Speaker 1: included Rivers complete a pass to Austin Ekeler and it's
Speaker 1: ruled a touchdown. Right, we come back, replay comes back
Speaker 1: and put some down on short of the goal line,
Speaker 1: and uh, and he was short of the goal line.
Speaker 1: And now we're we're inside. We were inside of a minute, right,
Speaker 1: But the rule would apply inside two minutes, where anytime
Speaker 1: the ruling on the field is reversed inside of two
Speaker 1: minutes to a running clock, it carries a ten second runoff, right,
Speaker 1: So you have that play ten second runoff and either
Speaker 1: team can take a time out to avoid the runoff.
Speaker 1: So Tennessee Chargers are gonna have the ball first and
Speaker 1: goal at the one. So Tennessee is anticipating, Hey, if
Speaker 1: they score, we're gonna need time on the clock. So
Speaker 1: Tennessee takes the time out to save the runoff, which
Speaker 1: they can do. Next play is a false start on
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Next play is past inference defensive past inference
Speaker 1: in the end zone on Malcolm Butler. Okay, so now
Speaker 1: we got another first goal at the one. Next plays,
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon up the middle, ruled a touchdown. Did he
Speaker 1: lose the ball before the knee was down? Was the
Speaker 1: ball short? Goes to review, reverse to down short of
Speaker 1: the goal line. Another ten second runoff. This time Tennessee says,
Speaker 1: heck with this, we're gonna play defense. We're gonna we're
Speaker 1: not running. We're not gonna, you know, save the ten seconds.
Speaker 1: Charges are out of time out. So we reset the
Speaker 1: clock to where it was when Gordon was down. We
Speaker 1: run ten from that point, and we're gonna wind it
Speaker 1: on the ready. They wind the clock on the ready.
Speaker 1: They run it again up the middle, Melvin Gordon, ball
Speaker 1: comes loose, Titans have the ball, The official comes in,
Speaker 1: rules them down. The clock stops with seven seconds. It's nayhem.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows what's going on. There's never an announcement to
Speaker 1: what the ruling on the field is. CBS assumes that
Speaker 1: the official ruled down by contact, which I think he
Speaker 1: did because he came in with his hand up short
Speaker 1: of the goal line, so so you would think he
Speaker 1: ruled down by contact, the clock stopped. Clock really shouldn't stop.
Speaker 1: And I think I think we got very lucky. The
Speaker 1: league got very lucky that the replay showed that Gordon
Speaker 1: actually fumbled the ball and it was clearly recovered in
Speaker 1: the end zone, and so the ball went over to
Speaker 1: Tennessee because if they had let that call stand off
Speaker 1: down by contact, the clock stopped with seven seconds and
Speaker 1: and now, well, no, the Charges are gonna get another
Speaker 1: play because the call wasn't overturned. And uh, and there's
Speaker 1: no runoff if the call isn't overturned, So that would
Speaker 1: have been insane. That would have been crazy. And look,
Speaker 1: I get it. The defense has the ball, they come
Speaker 1: out of the pile, the officials killed the clock, but
Speaker 1: there was never really an announcement as to what the
Speaker 1: ruling on the field was. And I think everybody got
Speaker 1: really lucky with what happened. Well not the Chargers, but
Speaker 1: this entire seen seconds on the game clock. It took
Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes of real insane. But if it does
Speaker 1: get overturned, let's just say it gets overturned, then ten
Speaker 1: seconds were off from the game's over. Well, it depends
Speaker 1: on what the what the overturn and that instant. Since
Speaker 1: they ruled down, the only way they could overturn it
Speaker 1: was what they did, which was a fumble recovered by
Speaker 1: the defense, or they make it a touchdown, then it's
Speaker 1: a point touchdown. You're gonna reset the clock anyway. So
Speaker 1: in that situation, that was never going to be a runoff.
Speaker 1: But that was the problem with the clock stopping with
Speaker 1: seven seconds when by rule it really shouldn't have. But
Speaker 1: I was noticing that. Look, I was watching my Twitter
Speaker 1: feed during this, and it's funny when you have a
Speaker 1: game that is not a primetime game or not a
Speaker 1: national game or whatever. Twitter was crickets, Like I got
Speaker 1: one question, one question. If that was Sunday Night Cowboys Eagles,
Speaker 1: the world might have ended. Yeah, it would have been ugly.
Speaker 1: It would have been really it would have been crazy,
Speaker 1: Like we get the metrics of stuff in and I
Speaker 1: don't say this is this in the exact number, but
Speaker 1: I think there was like two percent of the country
Speaker 1: watching that game. And and like one tweet, one question,
Speaker 1: if that would have been Cowboys, you would have had
Speaker 1: a thousand tweets within within And so just to talk
Speaker 1: about that rule, that ten second runoff rule, when did
Speaker 1: that come into play, so that that rule was implemented
Speaker 1: for the two thousand ten season. The reason that rule
Speaker 1: is in places because there was a play it was
Speaker 1: it was actually a Saint scheme and it was a
Speaker 1: play at the end of the half where the ruling
Speaker 1: on the field was a touchdown. Replay game back and
Speaker 1: looked at it and saw that the runner was short,
Speaker 1: and I think there was maybe eight seconds on the
Speaker 1: clock at the end of the play, so they saw
Speaker 1: that the runner was short, so they put the runner
Speaker 1: down and the offense was out of time outs. So
Speaker 1: if the call on the field was correct, the clock
Speaker 1: would have continued to run and the offense probably would
Speaker 1: not have gotten lined up legally and and had another snap.
Speaker 1: So what this rule does is when you reverse to
Speaker 1: a running clock, especially from a stop clock ruling on
Speaker 1: the field was a touchdown, the clock stops ruling on
Speaker 1: the field should have been down in the field of play,
Speaker 1: clocks should have continued to run. You're gonna run ten
Speaker 1: seconds because that's gonna prevent a team from getting a
Speaker 1: snap when they were not entitled to. And why ten seconds,
Speaker 1: because many many many years ago, when they put the
Speaker 1: ten second runoff rule in the Rules Committee, the Competition
Speaker 1: Committee decided that the minimum amount of time that it
Speaker 1: would take a team in general to get lined up
Speaker 1: legally would be ten seconds. Now, we know sometimes they
Speaker 1: could do it in less Sometimes they can wait. If
Speaker 1: you have like a seventy yard sometimes it could take longer.
Speaker 1: So so where do you draw the line. You know,
Speaker 1: on a seventy yard pass, it's it's gonna take longer
Speaker 1: than ten seconds. On a five yard pass, it could
Speaker 1: be shorter. You have to have one single point, and
Speaker 1: ten seconds has been the point of demarcation. That's why
Speaker 1: that rule is in place. Joe doesn't like the rule. Joe,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you off your word count and you
Speaker 1: can you can speak a little bit, but hurry up
Speaker 1: because we gotta go to I just think that it
Speaker 1: feels like, because the refs missed this call, I'm now
Speaker 1: losing ten seconds, especially if I'm at the goal line,
Speaker 1: where I know I can get get everyone lined up
Speaker 1: in three or four seconds. Now I'm losing ten seconds
Speaker 1: because they didn't get it right in the first place.
Speaker 1: At the goal line. I feel you there at the
Speaker 1: goal line, it seems like you can definitely get lined up.
Speaker 1: Quicker than that. Well, well, there there's no question. There's
Speaker 1: no question. But the thing is, again, think about if
Speaker 1: the ruling on the field was correct initially, what would
Speaker 1: the clock have continued to do. It would have continued seconds,
Speaker 1: but it might be twelve, it might be eight. So again,
Speaker 1: you were not entitled to a snap at the point
Speaker 1: where the clock stopped. So you have to draw the line. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's go to break. We come back, We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk onside kicks. We're gonna talk my favorite super Bowl moment,
Speaker 1: and we got Bruce Arians coming up later on. Alright,
Speaker 1: we're back on good calls. Travis is not planned dancing,
Speaker 1: but he's dancing. He apparently Travis did win a dance
Speaker 1: contest in fourth grade correct fifth grade? Fifth grade dance
Speaker 1: last week. Yeah, we did bring it up in last week. Alright.
Speaker 1: I just I always want people to remember that you
Speaker 1: you have a little rhythm. One thing we should let
Speaker 1: A few times people have asked if Travis is in
Speaker 1: Wyoming from Wyoming, but he's not in Wyoming. He's he's definitely,
Speaker 1: but Wyoming you could take you can take the boy
Speaker 1: out of Wyoming, but you can never take the Wyoming
Speaker 1: out of the boy. Okay, so let's go. Let's go Chicago,
Speaker 1: New Orleans. And we saw something that we haven't seen
Speaker 1: this year yet. And we talked about this. We talked
Speaker 1: about it last week and we talked about look on
Speaker 1: side kick, right, we talked about, look, this, this is
Speaker 1: a this could be a problem for the NFL. And
Speaker 1: uh and going into week seven, we were over seventeen
Speaker 1: so seventeen expected on sidekicks zero successful, um, Chicago completed one,
Speaker 1: Chicago almost got two, Chicago got one successful and uh
Speaker 1: and so there were seven total in weeks seven so far,
Speaker 1: not including Monday night and uh and so that's twenty
Speaker 1: four for the season with one successful recovery, which let
Speaker 1: me do some quick math in my hand. I was
Speaker 1: told there'd be no math. A little over four percent,
Speaker 1: so we're we're doing a little bit better last year
Speaker 1: eight percent. Again, something to watch for. But then on
Speaker 1: side kick recovery, they actually got a second one. They
Speaker 1: ruled it on the field initially that Chicago legally recovered
Speaker 1: it was went to replay and they overturned it because
Speaker 1: the Chicago player, the kicking team player, was out of bounds,
Speaker 1: didn't re establish himself back in bounds before he touched
Speaker 1: the loose ball. And just quickly on that rule, any
Speaker 1: out of bounds player is out of bounds. If you
Speaker 1: touch the white you're out of bounds. You're out of
Speaker 1: bounds until you re established back inbounds with both feet
Speaker 1: or another body part other than a hand or a foot,
Speaker 1: so it could be a knee, could be an elbow.
Speaker 1: And so if you step out, you've got to re
Speaker 1: establish in bounds before you touch the loose ball. So
Speaker 1: if you don't re establish and you touch that loose ball,
Speaker 1: that loose ball is out of bounds. We had a
Speaker 1: similar play in the Ravens. Yeah, ruled metcalf, you know,
Speaker 1: passed two two DK metcalf, he fumbled it and uh,
Speaker 1: and the Ravens defender was out of bounds initially got
Speaker 1: both feet down inbounds, so he re established and then
Speaker 1: he recovered the loose ball. So so that made it.
Speaker 1: That made it legal the Ravens. Yeah, the Ravens look good.
Speaker 1: Ravens look good. Um. So yeah, so let's kind of
Speaker 1: let's shift gears a little bit and uh, and let's
Speaker 1: go to before before we actually get to the brain
Speaker 1: of Blandino. Um, let's talk about you know we were
Speaker 1: talking about in this studio on Sunday, Fox is doing.
Speaker 1: What are they doing, Travis, Well, we have the super
Speaker 1: Bowl this year. We Fox has the super Bowl this year.
Speaker 1: And there was also the the hundred year um the
Speaker 1: anniversary of the NFL hundred years. So so they were
Speaker 1: asking everyone their favorite super Bowl moment. So I know
Speaker 1: you wanted to share yours. So let's hear all about it,
Speaker 1: my friend. So, yeah, so they brought up the hundred
Speaker 1: year anniversary. We want to get all of our all
Speaker 1: of our talent to tell their their favorite super Bowl memory.
Speaker 1: So I'll share with you my favorite super Bowl memory.
Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty two. This is Giants Patriots. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is the This is the undefeated Patriots team against the
Speaker 1: underdog underdog Giants and uh and in Arizona. And I'm
Speaker 1: working for the NFL and I'm the I'm in charge
Speaker 1: of instant replay, so I'm in the replay booth with
Speaker 1: the replay official. And you might remember this play from
Speaker 1: that game. It might, you know, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: little play. Maybe the David Tyree Cat Pats fans we
Speaker 1: should have given him. Sorry, I don't want to bring
Speaker 1: this up a source subject. But Eli's under pressure, He's
Speaker 1: almost sacked. He breaks free, he heaves it up in
Speaker 1: the air. Tyree goes up. Rodney Harrison goes up with him,
Speaker 1: pins the ball against his helmet. The ball touches the ground.
Speaker 1: He goes to the ground. It's insane. We're in the
Speaker 1: replay booth trying to confirm the ruling on the field.
Speaker 1: So we're working through all of the angles. We see it.
Speaker 1: He's got control of the ball, doesn't come loose. It's
Speaker 1: a catch. This is the potential game winning drive. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm in the replay booth. My phone rings. Okay, now
Speaker 1: I've got it on vibrate because I'm under fifty at
Speaker 1: the time. I'm still under fifty and and and so
Speaker 1: I've got it on vibrate, and I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 1: just look. Maybe it's something work related, maybe somebody in
Speaker 1: the stadium. I looking at my mom, and so I know, look,
Speaker 1: my mom knows I'm at the Super Bowl. My mom
Speaker 1: knows I'm working. So now I start to freak out
Speaker 1: a little bit. Is it's an emergency, something happened. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, So I answer it, and I'm like, Mom,
Speaker 1: what's going on? And she goes, did you see that catch?
Speaker 1: And I'm like quickly like I gotta go, Mom, I
Speaker 1: gotta go, I'm working. Hang up the phone. We finished
Speaker 1: the game, the Giants go on to win the game,
Speaker 1: and I did call my mom later on, but that
Speaker 1: that is definitely my favorite and most interesting super Bowl moment.
Speaker 1: And uh and uh, you know it's a mom thing.
Speaker 1: Your your mama Giants fan. They they my mom is.
Speaker 1: She doesn't know what she is, but but yeah, they
Speaker 1: grew up in you know there. I grew up in
Speaker 1: New York, so they were all New York fans, Giants Jets.
Speaker 1: So she and she likes you know, she likes Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: She she's flavored flavor of the month, so um. But
Speaker 1: she was just a big fan of the big fan
Speaker 1: of the cash. So that was my my favor for
Speaker 1: Super Bowl moment. It's good, that's good. It's We had
Speaker 1: a lot of visitors in the Cube this week, so
Speaker 1: we started thinking about like maybe a new segment that
Speaker 1: we could come up with. It. Well, I do like
Speaker 1: the fact that, look, we all if your first time listeners,
Speaker 1: we all worked together and we spend a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of time together Fox Sports were in what
Speaker 1: we call the Rules Cube and it's it's a studio
Speaker 1: and we watch all the games and then you know,
Speaker 1: I can go on the air and talk about things.
Speaker 1: Mike Prayer can go on the air when he's there.
Speaker 1: It was it was nicknamed by Mike Prayer because it's
Speaker 1: freezing cold in there, so we all wear coats. It's
Speaker 1: the ice Cube was where that came that cold. But
Speaker 1: by the way, Travis did get all Fox jackets this week.
Speaker 1: We thank you very much, thank you Fox for hooking
Speaker 1: us up with those jackets. So so, anyway, so we
Speaker 1: had a ton of visitors this week, which we normally
Speaker 1: don't have a bunch. We have stray Hand who comes
Speaker 1: in every week and great. He gives us cookies every week,
Speaker 1: which is great. But we had another visitor in Brady
Speaker 1: Quinn came in and we asked him a hot topic
Speaker 1: that we've been going over there. So Brady, Brady is
Speaker 1: on on our you know are big kickoff show and
Speaker 1: and with Urban Meyer and Matt Leiner and Reggie Bush
Speaker 1: and and and and the group. And Brady likes to
Speaker 1: come in and hang out with us and us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he likes to come in and talk to us
Speaker 1: and and talk about stuff. And so Joe, Joe, you know,
Speaker 1: recently got a Tesla and he hasn't shut up about
Speaker 1: the Tesla and how great it is. He's one of
Speaker 1: those guys that that it's not cool until he has it,
Speaker 1: and now that he has it, it's the coolest thing ever.
Speaker 1: And he won't stop talking about it. So we asked Brady, Hey, Brady,
Speaker 1: what do you think of Tesla's And Joe's ears perked
Speaker 1: up because he was waiting for like, oh, it's the
Speaker 1: greatest thing ever. And and Brady, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna paraphrase a little bit. Brady basically said,
Speaker 1: I have a Tesla and I blankety blank hate it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead. And so basically the car that
Speaker 1: Joe has been talking about and hyped up, Brady just
Speaker 1: shot down in in a three second sound bite, and Joe,
Speaker 1: how did you did you? Are you low on charge?
Speaker 1: Are you law on charge this week? Or what? What's
Speaker 1: going on? No? I'm doing just great. You have any
Speaker 1: problems charging? A little bit of a problem down down
Speaker 1: in the Fox lots, Okay, it happens something did happen?
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell him? Because I'm pretty sure. But
Speaker 1: like most parking garages, not just in l A but
Speaker 1: pretty much. I mean, I don't know how many in Wyoming,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, they're charging. They're charging stations. And
Speaker 1: so our fox lot has has charging stations. And Joe
Speaker 1: likes to, oh, I getting the spot and charge my
Speaker 1: car and it has an update and and I'm cool
Speaker 1: and it's read and and so Joe comes in on Saturday. Right,
Speaker 1: Joe came in on Saturday and he was like kind
Speaker 1: of like just forlorn. He was like he just down,
Speaker 1: like depressed. He couldn't charge his car because it wouldn't
Speaker 1: let him, like he was banned. What did it say
Speaker 1: from charge you're blocked from this arging station. So I
Speaker 1: would I would look into that. I'm calling customer service.
Speaker 1: I'm emailing HR. I'm pretty sure Dean put the hex
Speaker 1: on me. He comes in thinking that we did it,
Speaker 1: and which is hilarious. Would do it? It worked last week? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well I've been using Foxes electricity for a week alright,
Speaker 1: So they're getting a lot of free pub here to Tesla. So, Dean,
Speaker 1: are there any products that you wouldn't indorse. You know,
Speaker 1: that's funny because they asked that, you know, with the
Speaker 1: podcast and my Heart, they'll ask you what you know,
Speaker 1: is there anything that you wouldn't endorse? And and I
Speaker 1: actually I did see an advertisement for a a product
Speaker 1: that I freaks me out, and I don't know, if
Speaker 1: they paid enough, maybe I would endorse it, but it
Speaker 1: freaks me out. And it's called the Mirror. Have you
Speaker 1: seen this where you basically you work out in front
Speaker 1: of it and people show up in the mirror? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we saw. We saw the commercial for it when we
Speaker 1: were in the studio on Saturday, and I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: it and I don't look it's it's around Halloween time.
Speaker 1: I don't know if if maybe we haven't talked about this,
Speaker 1: but I don't like spooky stuff. I don't like ghosts
Speaker 1: stuff you want someone hopping a power of normal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I don't like that thing. I just worry, like
Speaker 1: if I have that thing in my house and you
Speaker 1: do a workout and in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: I go to get a drink and it's like there's
Speaker 1: like someone there and and that like just freaks me out.
Speaker 1: So the mirror and I don't understand. Why not just
Speaker 1: get you know, watch a video on YouTube and work
Speaker 1: out why do I need somebody in the mirror. Joe
Speaker 1: had a great line about it when he saw and
Speaker 1: he said, maybe it's just the whole black mirror show
Speaker 1: that he kind of puts that scary. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't like the I'm with you, and don't
Speaker 1: bring a clown anywhere near my house at night. I
Speaker 1: made my daughter get rid of a clown doll. I
Speaker 1: just they freaked me out, and the clowns will freaked
Speaker 1: me out since Boulder guys the original one that that
Speaker 1: kid like the clown like, who has that freaky clown?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let's move on. We're going off on
Speaker 1: a tangent. Let's uh, let's go inside the brand of Blandino.
Speaker 1: Let's pick a random thomb brain. All right, here we go,
Speaker 1: let's work it outright. Guitar lessons. Great song if you
Speaker 1: were with friends and want to jam on the beach.
Speaker 1: I'll never be that guy. Oh okay, so I I
Speaker 1: I took guitar lessons when I was living in New York.
Speaker 1: I took guitar lessons for about two years. Learned a
Speaker 1: couple of songs and my guitar teacher this this guy
Speaker 1: kiss k. He was great, he was awesome and uh
Speaker 1: and we learned a lot. I learned a lot from
Speaker 1: you teach me about, you know, just like the the
Speaker 1: structure of music and and how it all ties together
Speaker 1: and and everything. But he, you know, we were we
Speaker 1: were playing one one night during a lesson and he said, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna teach you this song. This
Speaker 1: is this is a great song that if you're ever
Speaker 1: like you know, you're at the beach with your friends
Speaker 1: and you just want to like, you know, jam out
Speaker 1: and play. And I just said to him, I said, listen, es, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be the guy that brings the guitar
Speaker 1: to the beach with the now just sit there on
Speaker 1: the beach. But hey, guys, I just just brought my
Speaker 1: guitar and I'm gonna play. You know, hey, let's play
Speaker 1: a little pearl jamp. You know, I'm never gonna be
Speaker 1: that guy, So don't even never bring that up again.
Speaker 1: I want to learn from myself. I'll probably play by
Speaker 1: myself in my room. What was the song? Um? What
Speaker 1: was the song? See, I'm quite I've got five songs
Speaker 1: and you're the guy. See I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember this song in the movie Animal House, but if
Speaker 1: you're you're that guy, I'm gonna beat John Belushi. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come up, grab the guitar, smash it, say sorry,
Speaker 1: but but no that that I don't want to ever
Speaker 1: want to be that guy, that guy that has the guitar.
Speaker 1: Like you see him like riding his bike with his
Speaker 1: guitar around his his you know, and he stopped like
Speaker 1: what I wait at Whole Foods Like you know, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't write a bike. I'd put it in my
Speaker 1: test lift. If you want to hear, if you want
Speaker 1: to hear every roads, you know, let you could charge
Speaker 1: the guitar, but I can't plug it into the car.
Speaker 1: And you know what, we gotta let's move on. You
Speaker 1: know we want to do is I want to I
Speaker 1: want to start a little thing where kind of make
Speaker 1: a prediction for for next week's games. And and so
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, and I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: get a past infurance reversal next week. I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna get one. Okay, so market down, market down, and
Speaker 1: we'll revisit it next week. But I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: get one. I think I think from now, so this
Speaker 1: will include the Monday night game. I think from now
Speaker 1: until we record next I think we're gonna get an
Speaker 1: overturning past affirence. I think about that, and it's like,
Speaker 1: we talked to Bruce Arians this week. He was successful earlier.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll get another. Maybe he'll get another. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: some inside information, ladies and gentlemen. Nice segue. We're gonna
Speaker 1: take a break when we come back. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: to the head coach to the Tampa Bay Bucks. Bruce
Speaker 1: Arians next, good calls, alright, really excited for our guest
Speaker 1: this week. This guy has won two Super Bowls as
Speaker 1: an assistant coach. He was also the AP head Coach
Speaker 1: of the Year twice in the NFL. Bruce Arians, Bruce,
Speaker 1: how's it going going great? You know how you doing?
Speaker 1: But I'm good. I'm good. So what the first question?
Speaker 1: What I want to know is how does a guy who,
Speaker 1: as a senior at Virginia Tech completed your passes and
Speaker 1: through only three touchdowns become such a pass happy, go
Speaker 1: big type coach. That's what I want. Okay, action passes,
Speaker 1: there you go, there, you go. So but you know,
Speaker 1: one thing I do want to talk talk about is,
Speaker 1: you know, you're you over the years, you've given a
Speaker 1: lot of minority coaches an opportunity. And this goes back
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize. I mean, I know you were
Speaker 1: you were roommates with James Barber at Virginia Tech, and
Speaker 1: that's obviously Rhondda Antique, Tiki's dad, But I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that that was the first time at Virginia Tech that
Speaker 1: that a a white player and a black player had
Speaker 1: had room together. And and and so what we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that experience and then just what has been your
Speaker 1: approach in terms of with coaches and minority coaches. You
Speaker 1: you have two female coaches on the staff. Talk about
Speaker 1: that a little bit. Yeah, I think color is one
Speaker 1: of those things that you know, as as an athlete,
Speaker 1: you you lose sight of because it's all about team
Speaker 1: and when you're in that locker room, it's just about
Speaker 1: your teammates and your brothers and your sister is trying
Speaker 1: to win, uh whatever whatever sports you're in. You know,
Speaker 1: when it came to coaching, it's probably for me um
Speaker 1: not having had a chance to be a head coach.
Speaker 1: So I was sixty and Chuck mccono had to get
Speaker 1: sick and for for that to even happen. I like
Speaker 1: to see people get an opportunity who are qualified and
Speaker 1: uh so I really don't care. Uh. You know, the
Speaker 1: guys that I hired on my staff, all three coordinators
Speaker 1: and assistant coach, are minorities, but they're the best people.
Speaker 1: I know. They're best people I trust. Um As far
Speaker 1: as getting women as time for women to being in
Speaker 1: coaching in the NFL, uh, they're great teachers. And if
Speaker 1: you're qualified, and both both of the female assistance that
Speaker 1: I have are highly are probably overqualified. And I'm really
Speaker 1: glad we have a great, great staff. Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: and I was. I brought in Sarah Thomas into the
Speaker 1: NFL as the first female official, and I felt the
Speaker 1: same way. You know, you're talking about somebody that is
Speaker 1: that was overqualified, that had had paid her dues, and
Speaker 1: they're always you know, do you experience because I know
Speaker 1: I experienced that with some of our male officials and saying, oh,
Speaker 1: she's only in the league because she's a woman in
Speaker 1: the league. Is it's a pr thing? Have you experienced that,
Speaker 1: and what do you what do you say to somebody
Speaker 1: that kind of even insinuates that you don't know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I mean, people are qualified. I mean
Speaker 1: Laurie Locus is coach Gosh for twenty some years. Uh.
Speaker 1: She just happens to be one of those Temple students
Speaker 1: that was when I was the head coach at Temple. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know, married one of my former players. But
Speaker 1: just watch her put the time and to work in
Speaker 1: and she need an opportunity. And Joe Pendry, who I
Speaker 1: respect probably as much as anybody's ever coached in this game,
Speaker 1: gave her a glowing recommendation. So you know, just hey,
Speaker 1: it's time to go. And uh maral Java Uh, I
Speaker 1: cannot say her last night, that's all right, that's all right.
Speaker 1: M J M. Day is the best uh at what
Speaker 1: she does as a body mechanic express us. So I
Speaker 1: mean I probably and be coaching. She wasn't working on
Speaker 1: my back every day, no, I mean. And it's like
Speaker 1: I said, it's time and we're seeing it now within
Speaker 1: the coaches and officials, and it's time that people realize
Speaker 1: and and hopefully one day, you know, is that it's
Speaker 1: not a. It's not a story, right, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just normal. I'll be a happy one. It's not news
Speaker 1: anymore exactly, you know, when it's just it's just qualified
Speaker 1: people doing their jobs. So switching gears a little bit.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've coached some some great quarterbacks over the years,
Speaker 1: and Peyton Manning, Roethlisberger, Carson Palmer, Andrew Luck. I mean
Speaker 1: the list goes on. Where Where is Jamis Winston right now?
Speaker 1: You know in your system? What in terms of the
Speaker 1: development that you've seen. How do you feel right now
Speaker 1: where he is? I feel good. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: growing process. I mean he had a rough outing in London,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't really all his fault. Again, you know,
Speaker 1: the two games that people want to criticize him, or
Speaker 1: San Francisco and Carolina, it's loving guys out there, you know,
Speaker 1: it's protection, it's Rotten's route, running to proper spacing and
Speaker 1: and doing your job. So I think he's growing. He's
Speaker 1: done a heck of a job and no one works
Speaker 1: any harder. I think his teammates respect the heck out
Speaker 1: of that. And uh, you know, I'm really anxious to
Speaker 1: see and bounce back this week Okay, now, now let's
Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about officiating. And you you're a guy,
Speaker 1: and I was amazed at how much you knew about
Speaker 1: officiating and how much you knew about these officials and
Speaker 1: how much time you put into it. And and this
Speaker 1: this season, you know, you hired a former official to
Speaker 1: help you UM at practice and help you with replay.
Speaker 1: How's that going? And how important is that aspect in
Speaker 1: what you do? Oh? It's huge. I mean we probably
Speaker 1: have as big as scouting report on who's going to
Speaker 1: call our game each week as we do as a
Speaker 1: team we're playing. You know, we hired Larry Rose. He's
Speaker 1: been they've been awesome, you know, with the rules and
Speaker 1: the interpretation is changing all the time. To have a specialist,
Speaker 1: a guy that knows the rule book inside now in
Speaker 1: your ear during the games that we can win this
Speaker 1: one or I'm ready, I'm throwing it like you're not
Speaker 1: gonna win all right, I'll hold it, I won't throw it. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just to me. It's a great advantage. UM.
Speaker 1: And he's done a heck of a job. And it's
Speaker 1: like when you meet with the officials before the game,
Speaker 1: you know, and say, look, when I challenge something, I'm
Speaker 1: going to have the right reason why and what words
Speaker 1: to tell you and uh, and Larry's Larry's in my ear,
Speaker 1: say it this way. And and we've been pretty successful
Speaker 1: in our challenges, you have been this year. And I
Speaker 1: think that's such an important part because there's right, there's
Speaker 1: coaches speak, and then there's officials speak, and and and
Speaker 1: that language, that communication is so important. So to have
Speaker 1: somebody that is used to you know how the officials speaking,
Speaker 1: what what is the exact terminology I have to use,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's a fumble and a clear recovery,
Speaker 1: those types of things. Forward progress is not reviewable. I
Speaker 1: think that's I think that's so important. Um. You know
Speaker 1: I used to you know, I was so impressed with
Speaker 1: and you you know, your your bedside manner wasn't always great,
Speaker 1: but but you knew you knew so much about the officials.
Speaker 1: But I always I always laughed. You know, I'd be
Speaker 1: in the command center and and it'd be a primetime
Speaker 1: game and you know, the Cardinals wouldn't be playing, but
Speaker 1: it would be you know, division game. Maybe it was
Speaker 1: the Seahawks and the Rams or somebody in the division,
Speaker 1: and you would start texting me about calls, and I said,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'm used to getting a call
Speaker 1: from the coach that's involved in the game. Now you're
Speaker 1: not even involved in the game. And I knew, and
Speaker 1: I knew that you had you know, I knew if
Speaker 1: you were drinking or not, because you're spelling would get
Speaker 1: progressively worse in the text. But but like I said,
Speaker 1: you you know, you know these guys in and out
Speaker 1: what you know, not giving away any trade secrets, But
Speaker 1: what are you what are you communicating to the players
Speaker 1: about the crew coming in, Like what kind of information
Speaker 1: are you sharing with them? Two things going in that meeting.
Speaker 1: We go through all the fouls that we had the
Speaker 1: previous week, why that we're called, um, what we could
Speaker 1: do better coaching wise in those situations. And then you know,
Speaker 1: we look at the crew, the crew that what are
Speaker 1: they calling? Are they are they calling O P? I?
Speaker 1: Are they calling DP? Is this a crew that all
Speaker 1: the holding penalties are the interior or they're all in
Speaker 1: the tackles? And and we show clips of the calls
Speaker 1: they make so our guys know, hey, if you put
Speaker 1: your hand on their shoulder, the cat's gonna call it.
Speaker 1: Now if it's in aside, it's not gonna call anything.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, it's it's hard. It's hard for
Speaker 1: the players to play the game right now because the
Speaker 1: interpretations of the rules are changing weekly and uh, what
Speaker 1: was holding in week one isn't holding anymore. So we
Speaker 1: have to stay as coaches, we have to stay up
Speaker 1: on that. So, yeah, let's talk about that, because obviously
Speaker 1: holding was something you know going into the season that
Speaker 1: that was going to be a point of emphasis. And
Speaker 1: the way the way I I had kind of had
Speaker 1: had heard was that the coaches wanted to clean up
Speaker 1: holding and this you know outside the frame and some
Speaker 1: of the backside stuff. You know, were you involved in
Speaker 1: those discussions going into the season, what what were some
Speaker 1: of those discussions And then obviously we saw it just
Speaker 1: a drastic increase early on and that has now dropped significantly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you know, I was not on the I
Speaker 1: used to be on the Competitian committee and would be
Speaker 1: in those meetings, and uh, I try to stay as
Speaker 1: you know, when I got back into coach, and that
Speaker 1: was one thing I wanted to get involved in right away,
Speaker 1: as how we're going to call this game again? What
Speaker 1: changes are we making, And it was very interested in
Speaker 1: how we're gonna handle this backside stuff that did not
Speaker 1: necessarily affect a play. You know, in the past, if
Speaker 1: it didn't affect a play, Warner Guy or whatever, but
Speaker 1: it didn't have any bearing on the play. The flag
Speaker 1: wasn't thrown in September. They were thrown and they were
Speaker 1: throwing a bunches and I think public opinion and everybody
Speaker 1: was like, and I think until Tom Brady tweeted, I'm
Speaker 1: not watching the game anymore. All of a sudden, now
Speaker 1: it's stopped. So now we have to recoach again. You
Speaker 1: know what, how can we coach? For me, it's all
Speaker 1: about coaching my players h within the framework of the rules.
Speaker 1: And then that's important. You know what is the standard.
Speaker 1: You know what's going to be called, and that's that
Speaker 1: communication is d p I. Uh it has changed again.
Speaker 1: Um from the beginning of the year of a sudden,
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, the same thing that was o p
Speaker 1: I dp I as described early in the videos is
Speaker 1: now different. So you have to stay in tune to
Speaker 1: the videos that you get each tweak and how it's
Speaker 1: gonna get called, and it does. It feels that way,
Speaker 1: it feels like the plays that they were showing in
Speaker 1: the off season and even some of the plays that
Speaker 1: were reversed early on and you had, you know, you
Speaker 1: had to challenges that you want on on on p
Speaker 1: I feels like that's not no longer the case that
Speaker 1: the bars is higher now is the league? Is the league?
Speaker 1: Do they put out tapes? Do they do? They do
Speaker 1: they share that information with the clubs to say, okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is where we are right now. Each week,
Speaker 1: you know, we get one or two videos from the
Speaker 1: office and uh describing all the different interpretations UM, blind
Speaker 1: side blocks, O p I D p I UM and
Speaker 1: why they were called, why they weren't called. So you're
Speaker 1: you're just trying to keep a category, a collection of
Speaker 1: these plays in your head. We're on tape to show
Speaker 1: your players. Now, where where are you on? You know,
Speaker 1: even going into this season, were you in favor of
Speaker 1: past inference review? And then what do you think the
Speaker 1: future replay looks like? I know we talked about and
Speaker 1: I know the coaches talked about kind of like a
Speaker 1: a sky judge concept that could fix any mistake. Where
Speaker 1: where do you? Where are you do you land on that?
Speaker 1: Where do you think replay needs to go? I was.
Speaker 1: I was in total favor as a thirty I'm never
Speaker 1: seeing thirty two and oh right, never anything right, and
Speaker 1: you know, everything was okay, let's get that one play
Speaker 1: fixed that happened in the championship game last year with
Speaker 1: the Saints and the and the Rams, and let the
Speaker 1: instant replay official fix that and put the flag on
Speaker 1: the field. Um, I was all for that. Then it
Speaker 1: became coaches challenges. Well, yeah, I'm I'm gonna I want
Speaker 1: to try to fix bad plays, and especially one is
Speaker 1: as big as O P I D P I and
Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, I was all for it, and I
Speaker 1: thought I thought it was really working well, and there
Speaker 1: seems to be a little bit now higher standard are
Speaker 1: are different a way of doing it. Well, there's no
Speaker 1: question it feels like the it was more of a
Speaker 1: reofficiating the play, especially when the call was When the
Speaker 1: call was made on the field, I think we all
Speaker 1: agree it has to be pretty obvious that that it
Speaker 1: wasn't a foul to pick it up. But I think
Speaker 1: we saw some plays early on where there was contact
Speaker 1: it happened before the ball got there, and they were
Speaker 1: putting the flag down and replay. Now we're seeing plays
Speaker 1: with contact, some that just it looked flat out, looks
Speaker 1: like p I and and they're not they're not calling it.
Speaker 1: And it was interesting. I was watching, you know, I
Speaker 1: was doing your game in London. I thought there was
Speaker 1: a player early on that Carolina had the ball. I
Speaker 1: thought the receiver pushed off, clearly pushed off, ended up
Speaker 1: getting a big game. And I was surprised. I wasn't
Speaker 1: surprised that because where we are today that you didn't
Speaker 1: challenge it. But it was one of those plays where
Speaker 1: I think early on you probably would have challenged and
Speaker 1: they probably would have made it a foul, no doubt.
Speaker 1: He did a good job because he didn't extend his arm.
Speaker 1: He extended his elbow and and I knew we would
Speaker 1: not win that challenge this week now in September, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably would have thrown the play. And is that
Speaker 1: your mindset going forward where it's going to have to
Speaker 1: be either a situation where I have no choice, this
Speaker 1: is the game, I got a challenge, or it's going
Speaker 1: to be just a complete no brainer. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: right now it's got to that, you know, it has
Speaker 1: to be a total hand extended pushing uh um. But
Speaker 1: when you see a guy gets you know, in our
Speaker 1: New Orleans game, I thought was clear and obvious. So
Speaker 1: I learned my lesson what is clear and obvious anymore? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I want to I want you to share a story.
Speaker 1: This was. It's one of my favorite stories. And this
Speaker 1: was I don't know if you You probably remember, but
Speaker 1: I might need to jog your memory a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a Thursday night game. You guys
Speaker 1: were playing the Rams and I was I wasn't the
Speaker 1: head of officiating, and it was a You end up
Speaker 1: winning the game, but you didn't like We had a
Speaker 1: we had a replay review and we reversed it and
Speaker 1: it went against you guys. And you called me from
Speaker 1: the bus after the game. Do you remember that phone call? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And you used a lot of colorful language and and
Speaker 1: and so I always like to share that story because
Speaker 1: what I when I tell that story, and I always say, like,
Speaker 1: b A is a guy that he will he will
Speaker 1: m f you to death and he'll let you know
Speaker 1: how he feels. But at the end of the conversation
Speaker 1: it's all good. I'll talk to you tomorrow. And that's
Speaker 1: how And you went from you went from a hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty to zero when I said, all right, you
Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna look at it tomorrow. Call me
Speaker 1: tomrow you all right, all right, talk to you later.
Speaker 1: And I always always appreciated that, and and and the
Speaker 1: other thing is I want to know where my picture is.
Speaker 1: You promised me a picture of you given me the finger.
Speaker 1: You sent it to Jay Glazer. Okay, he has it,
Speaker 1: I'll get it from him. But I also want to
Speaker 1: I want to congratulate you because this is the first
Speaker 1: phone call, the first conversation we've had where you didn't
Speaker 1: drop one F bomb and I my grandkids are right here.
Speaker 1: Oh see, there you go. Now, Now, the real reason
Speaker 1: the grandkids are there, It wasn't just you and I
Speaker 1: are on better terms. It's it's the grandkids. Count on that. Okay, alright, Well,
Speaker 1: when the grandkids are gone, call me back drop it
Speaker 1: because I'm missing it right now. But hey, I appreciate
Speaker 1: you taking the time, Bruce, and best of luck the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. All right, take care. This has
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