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Speaker 2: right here, Ben Missalis, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: it's predictable, it's reliable. People start to know, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: show up at the four, I get Ben, I show

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Speaker 1: up at the noon, I get this person. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we focus on domestic issues, but we also focus on

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Speaker 1: international issues, as I talked about with Canada, that other

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Speaker 1: people aren't really focused on. So you know, I've been

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Speaker 1: focusing a lot on these fake trade deals that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump's doing, and I.

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Speaker 2: Fake trade deal. He's signed some of the most consequential

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Speaker 2: trade deals of our lifetimes. How many have been signed?

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Speaker 1: Actually zero have been right, zero have been signed. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but it's so Remember they did ninety deals in ninety days.

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Speaker 1: They did six or seven fake deals in ninety days.

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Speaker 1: But just think about it. As you watch financial media

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Speaker 1: talk about this or corporate media, they just ignore the

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Speaker 1: ninety deals. In ninety days, and then they pretend that

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Speaker 1: he's done six or seven deals, when we know a

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Speaker 1: great deal.

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Speaker 2: Maker, he's just a deal maker. That's all he wants.

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Speaker 2: He wants a good deal for the American people.

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Speaker 1: And so here's the thing.

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Speaker 2: We know.

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Speaker 1: Trade deals are very long agreements, usually thousands of pages,

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Speaker 1: very meticulously negotiated. And let's just start at the most basics,

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Speaker 1: because I'm a law professor. So deals have to be signed, right,

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Speaker 1: they're usually and they have to be binding. Like let's

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Speaker 1: start with the concept of did country A sign it?

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Speaker 1: And did the United States? In this case?

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Speaker 2: I'm smiling just because I mean, it's sort of a basic.

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Speaker 1: None of these are signed and they're just press releases. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Or when he goes around and says, I brought in

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Speaker 1: seventeen trillion dollars and it sits on a terriff.

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Speaker 2: So by the way, it's gone up beyond now seventeen

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Speaker 2: he's I think he's yeah, he's now using twenty he's twenty.

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Speaker 1: But think about it, though, So if you've brought in

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Speaker 1: seventeen trillion dollars, amazing, then why can't we and supplemental

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Speaker 1: nutrition assistance programs?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Why can't we deal with extending the Affordable Care Act subsidies.

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Speaker 1: So what we also, I think, do with our coverage

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Speaker 1: that's smart is we don't just say ah, he's stupid,

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Speaker 1: he's an idiot, you know, making it up. You also

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Speaker 1: make the point we harness the number and say, okay, sure,

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Speaker 1: seventeen So the biggest ponzi scheme in history, Bernie madeoff

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Speaker 1: sixty five billion dollars. So you're engaged in a seventeen

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Speaker 1: trillion dollar ponzi scheme right now, screwing over the farmers

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Speaker 1: and the American people. And it's just not the way

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Speaker 1: I'm describing it is not people's experience watching corporate news

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Speaker 1: and so our entire framework of how we hit these issues,

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Speaker 1: but it aligns with how people feel. And the reaction

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Speaker 1: I get most frequently is that's how I feel. I

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Speaker 1: thought I was crazy and finally someone saying it. And

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Speaker 1: it's cause we're listening to them, but also it's because

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Speaker 1: we're not coming at it from this is a job.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm out. I don't wake up and go, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing this and this is how I make money,

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Speaker 1: and I go, this is this is life or death.

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Speaker 1: I love that and I think they sense that and

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Speaker 1: they see that.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I mean, just this fundamental notion of

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Speaker 2: pro democracy and the fact that you were years ahead

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Speaker 2: of that and understanding. I mean, we saw a democracy

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Speaker 2: lit on fire after January sixth. It's your point, I mean,

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Speaker 2: one more evidence you try to wreck this country, try

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Speaker 2: to dial up for votes, and so you mean you

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Speaker 2: saw that evidence, you did something about it. But I

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Speaker 2: think folks are now finally waking up to this fundamental

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Speaker 2: notion of a republic, a democracy, what it means, what

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Speaker 2: it is, and what it could you know, might likely

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Speaker 2: be if we don't stand up at the moment. But

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Speaker 2: I love the fact that you're able to shape shift

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Speaker 2: a narrative that just isn't the back and forth where

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Speaker 2: you have a Scott Jennings on CNN or something. You're

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Speaker 2: saying one thing in a response and then sort of

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Speaker 2: a you know, sort of a cat call of stress

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Speaker 2: and anxiety and you just you know, I mean, you

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Speaker 2: want to start screaming or yelling or throw something at

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Speaker 2: the TV. But you're able to unpack it and bring

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Speaker 2: it into someone's you know, create a sort of a

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Speaker 2: narrative that connects to how not only your feeling, but

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Speaker 2: what you're experiencing, and I want to go back to

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Speaker 2: just what you just said on as it relates to

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Speaker 2: the farmers. I mean, this to me is one of

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Speaker 2: the most extraordinary stories, This notion of the rural farmer,

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Speaker 2: this notion of the person that's the poor soul out

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Speaker 2: there working family farm doing soybeans just want fair free markets,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, this guy comes in with

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Speaker 2: the wrecking ball. Not at the White House, he's winging

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Speaker 2: this case, but as it relates to these teriffs and

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Speaker 2: the retaliation overseas and the impact that's had on their family,

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Speaker 2: their farms, their communities, same thing with beef and beef prices.

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Speaker 2: To watch what he's doing to try to supplement in

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Speaker 2: Argentina these mistakes, what he's going to try to do

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Speaker 2: with President she as it relates to covering up those mistakes,

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Speaker 2: as it relates to trying to re course course correct

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Speaker 2: away from what's happening in Central America or South America.

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Speaker 2: I mean, unpack some of this from your perspective and

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Speaker 2: bring it into sort of how you would present the

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Speaker 2: argument to your viewers.

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Speaker 1: So listen, how is it though that these farmers voted

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Speaker 1: for him by and by.

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Speaker 2: By, and there's that question.

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Speaker 1: But but I but it's because he senses their vulnerabilities

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Speaker 1: and he sees their weaknesses and their struggles and then

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Speaker 1: he lies to them like a con artist and a

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Speaker 1: Ponzi schemer. It's a it's a skill where he can

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Speaker 1: see it. And what Democrats don't ever do is sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's simple, but it's important, which is you look at

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Speaker 1: the camera and you have to truly feel this way.

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Speaker 1: But you say I care about you. I hear you,

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Speaker 1: and I feel your pain, and I'm going to be

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Speaker 1: there and I'm going to fight for you. I hear

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Speaker 1: what you're going through. I haven't heard a lot of.

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Speaker 2: You say it.

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Speaker 1: Now if I hear you say it a lot. But

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Speaker 1: you don't hear that a lot.

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Speaker 2: And what Clinton esque quality.

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Speaker 1: Democrats just assume that if.

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Speaker 2: You're laid off, I probably knew you in in Arkansas exactly,

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Speaker 2: and there was a way it's all of a sudden, like,

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Speaker 2: my god, he probably didn't know me, and why sees me?

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Speaker 1: And why is it that you know you see groups

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Speaker 1: of union workers when Trump's whole thing is destroy you,

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Speaker 1: You're like, literally it's I'm going to destroy you or

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Speaker 1: workers that you know. But he goes there with with

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Speaker 1: a pizza, usually cold. He takes the photos with them,

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Speaker 1: you know, and people are like, oh, maybe he cares

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, how this guy shows up in McDonald's or

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Speaker 2: twenty states are still giving people seven dollars and twenty

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Speaker 2: five cents and ending up on food stamps that he's

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Speaker 2: cutting as a consequence, ending up on Obamacare, which has

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Speaker 2: no problem doubling and tripling in those states. And the

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Speaker 2: people are buying this bullshit.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a very complex times, and he gives

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Speaker 1: them a very easy answer. It's the immigrants, it's the

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Speaker 1: other it's transgender people, and this is why. And we

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Speaker 1: need to be angry, and I'm going to make this

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Speaker 1: better and I care about you. Let's do it. And

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Speaker 1: actually he's the reason why they're in the situation. It's

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Speaker 1: him and his billionaire buds are the ones who are

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Speaker 1: screwing them.

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Speaker 2: But how is it that, you know?

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Speaker 1: Because he sees it though, and his speeches are kind

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Speaker 1: of geared to it, and Democrats are up there. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of strong. He's strong, wrong and fraud and but

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Speaker 1: weak de amatic masquerading as straight. It's fraud and oftentimes

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Speaker 1: I think the Democratic Party just isn't saying I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: freaking fight for you. I mean, when I saw you

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Speaker 1: in the Seiu, when you were surrounded by the group

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Speaker 1: of union work No, but for real. But that's a

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Speaker 1: scene that we haven't seen in a while, you know, rallying,

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Speaker 1: rallying workers like that, and that's what we need to

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Speaker 1: see more So, when I think about what the farmers

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Speaker 1: are going through, it's just a perfect Trumpian example. It's

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Speaker 1: a Ponzi scheme on top of pond scheme. Now he's

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Speaker 1: gonna do another fake trade deal, which I maybe they

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Speaker 1: temporarily buy more soybeans. Look like I saved you. You

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Speaker 1: created the problem. What do you mean you saved? You

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Speaker 1: created the problem? And at what expense? You know he's

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Speaker 1: gonna it seems obvious to me he's gonna give up Taiwan.

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Speaker 1: Part of this whole deal is to basically say, you

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Speaker 1: take Taiwan, give me a little soybean, and also let

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Speaker 1: Maga control the TikTok algorithm. Jijingping knows exactly what the

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Speaker 1: weaknesses are. Trump wants the photo, he wants the deal.

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Speaker 1: The market goes up for a few that's it. That's

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Speaker 1: how I'm back.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to that because everything you

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Speaker 2: said is worthy of a conversation. I just want to

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Speaker 2: go back a little bit to the saau because I'm

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Speaker 2: really I appreciate for me, that just fills your soul,

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Speaker 2: right when that energy of people and you know, I

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Speaker 2: was in a crowd. People don't necessarily know what you're

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Speaker 2: referring to. Just the other day, a PROP fifty rally

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Speaker 2: and I was giving a speech and I was removed

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Speaker 2: from the crowd, and I just felt disconnected in every way,

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Speaker 2: shape or form. And I just walked right in and

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Speaker 2: just to everyone sort of absorbed and we're all sort

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Speaker 2: of in this together. And I'm looking around. Mic doesn't

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Speaker 2: work like, I don't need the MIC. I just that

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Speaker 2: there's people are people are scared, man, They're scared. And

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Speaker 2: I was looking around. There was I mean, no one

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Speaker 2: looked like me. It was the most diverse crowd I'd

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Speaker 2: ever been. I mean, I mean, Latino family is African Americans,

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Speaker 2: people lives are torn asunder, communities on edge. By the way,

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Speaker 2: same union I worked with to get twenty dollars minimum

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Speaker 2: wage for fast food workers twenty five dollars for healthcare

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Speaker 2: workers only stay in the country can lay claim to that.

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Speaker 2: So I'm really proud of them. But this notion of

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Speaker 2: I mean, people really are.

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Speaker 1: Vulnerable right now, he's launching chemical weapons into communities with ice,

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Speaker 1: I mean weapons that are banned in war on a

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Speaker 1: regular basis. He's doing chemical warfare with secret police. Let's

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Speaker 1: just abuse. That's anything but that. Yeah, why you got

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Speaker 1: masks on? Why don't you identifying yourself? What about due process?

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Speaker 2: Why I mean that? Why are people allowed to disappear

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Speaker 2: come back? Is there no recourse, no oversight?

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Speaker 1: Waiting at elementary schools, courtrooms.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen year old kid outside school waiting for a sister

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Speaker 2: to leave school, disabled kid, They put a gun to

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Speaker 2: the kid's head. Mistaken identity. How the hell is that?

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Speaker 2: No accountability, no oversight? Where are you, speaker Johnson on that?

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Speaker 2: Where's the outrage? So let's go back this notion of

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Speaker 2: you framing things, which I love the arsonists now is

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Speaker 2: the firefighter, the guy who literally creates the problem, which

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Speaker 2: is exactly t up beautifully with President she and what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen in China, all the trade war, all

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Speaker 2: the fire and fury, and he's going to act like

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Speaker 2: he's softened it and tempered it, and you said it.

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Speaker 2: She has his number. The Chinese know exactly what they're

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Speaker 2: dealing with. Now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Trump wants to announce a deal and he wants

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Speaker 1: the photo and if it could enrich him through the TikTok,

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Speaker 1: and that's the hymn part is TikTok. He wants to

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Speaker 1: control the algorithm. He wants his rich oligark friends who

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Speaker 1: will give kickbacks in my opinion, back to him. That's

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Speaker 1: part of the plan. So originally TikTok was going to

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Speaker 1: be banned by.

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Speaker 2: This senate in the House.

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Speaker 1: Remember now, it's a leverage point for g to use

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Speaker 1: against him, and he walks right into it. She sees

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Speaker 1: it right away. It's obvious he sees it.

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Speaker 2: He sees it a pretty pretty inexpensive part of the bargain.

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Speaker 2: If he can get Taiwan for giving up the algorithm

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Speaker 2: on TikTok. From she's perspective, pretty goddamn good he is.

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Speaker 1: He's already got I mean, I'm not trying to be

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Speaker 1: ultra alarmist. They'll though, I think it's time for alarm.

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Speaker 1: Trump wouldn't let the president of Taiwan use American airspace.

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Speaker 1: All the guy wanted to do was land and route

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Speaker 1: to Central America. Trump wouldn't let the head of Taiwan land.

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Speaker 1: So if you're not going to do that, you think

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Speaker 1: that he's going to be providing the requisite sport. But

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Speaker 1: do you remember back in the day when MAGA was

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Speaker 1: always like, we're China hawks, and they framed themselves as hawks.

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Speaker 2: I remember as a black and white movie days about

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Speaker 2: ten months ago.

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Speaker 1: Hawks hawks, We're financial hawks.

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Speaker 2: In many ways, the Democratic Party was becoming we were

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Speaker 2: kind of competing against. It was what when everyone starts

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Speaker 2: to agree with something, that's when I sort of took

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Speaker 2: a step back and goes, maybe we should all sort

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Speaker 2: of assess where we are. But one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Right, they say they're financial They use hawks all the time,

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Speaker 1: the financial hawks. It's like, what what do you mean

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Speaker 1: you're a hawk? You're you're the most financially irresponsible people.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was Trump's first term that added eight

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Speaker 1: trillion dollars.

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Speaker 2: Eight point four trillion, two point four. Right, I'll get

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Speaker 2: that point for it. Right, I'll raise you. You know,

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Speaker 2: oh he's raised And he just went another trillion dollars,

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Speaker 2: the fastest trillion of the debt we've ever seen in

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Speaker 2: US history. Where the hell is the outrage of the

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Speaker 2: Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the deficit righting of debt seven percent higher right

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Speaker 1: now year over year than under former president. But under

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Speaker 1: every stat they're the most fiscally irresponsible. Yet they go

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Speaker 1: around call themselves hawks like it's it's and corporate news.

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Speaker 1: They frame it this way. They let him get away

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Speaker 1: with it. You don't hear a people got tore down

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Speaker 1: the white We talked about it before. But the way

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Speaker 1: they normalize that's the same people who said Obama wore

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Speaker 1: the tan suit and they flipped out.

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Speaker 2: And that was the whole with the Washington Post editorial,

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Speaker 2: I was saying, absolutely it was the right thing to do, and.

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Speaker 1: They used it in the context of not in my

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Speaker 1: the nimbi nimbi as if it's the debate we're having

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Speaker 1: in California housing local residential housing policy that Trump first Nimby's.

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Speaker 2: They called it that kind of offended, offended the sensus

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Speaker 2: of people out here. I mean, I imagine if you're

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Speaker 2: someone like Ezra Kline and others making the case on

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Speaker 2: an abundance agenda, that's pretty offensive. They tried to sort

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Speaker 2: of co opera cut you know them out, conflate or

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Speaker 2: corporate that into the argument.

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Speaker 1: When I was a litigator, there was an intentional infliction

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Speaker 1: of emotional distress content does it? Does it shock the conscience?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: That's what that was the standard. And Trump has inflicted

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Speaker 1: nationwide intentional infliction of emotional distress. His conduct is conscious shocking.

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Speaker 1: And so when people wake up and they're being disappeared

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Speaker 1: by ice, when their healthcare is being ripped away, when

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Speaker 1: they're psychologically tortured, living paycheck to paycheck, and people aren't

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Speaker 1: acting with an urgency, they're pissed. You notice the numbers

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party are going up as they're seeing

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Speaker 1: the fight. They were low because they didn't see people

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Speaker 1: fighting for them, not because they were unpopular. They were

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Speaker 1: low because they lost and people don't like losers. And

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Speaker 1: also that they're fighting God, that was the issue.

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Speaker 2: Listen to what I hope everyone just listened to what

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Speaker 2: you said. Could not agree that. By the way, That's

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Speaker 2: why I'm very optimistic about November. We're gonna win Proposition fifty.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna win in New Jersey, We're gonna win Virginia.

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Speaker 2: You've got this young, dynamic leader, whether you agree or disagree,

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Speaker 2: whatever flavor you are of Democrat, democratic, socialists, conservative, mod whatever.

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Speaker 2: But you've got this young, dynamic leader who ran an

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Speaker 2: unbelievable campaign. Success leaves clues. Talk about media savvy and

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Speaker 2: a communication capacity that's next level. I mean that guy's

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Speaker 2: I made another level in terms of ability to communicate you.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, Look, Look where the crowds are. Look who

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Speaker 2: people look.

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Speaker 1: This is how I describe it. And it's funny because

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Speaker 1: you got you here. I said that there's you know,

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Speaker 1: on the one hand, you have a governor newsom energizing

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Speaker 1: people fighting back using moral authority and formal authority. Then

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Speaker 1: I said, look at Mam Donnie drawing massive crowds, AOC

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Speaker 1: drawing massive crowds. Bernie massive crowds in red states of

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Speaker 1: Trump supporters also, and so we should look at him.

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Speaker 1: By the way, what mom Donnie did before he even

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Speaker 1: launched the campaign, right after the election, maybe right when

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Speaker 1: he launched it was he interviewed, he was listening. He

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Speaker 1: did a video right away after the election speaking to

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Speaker 1: people in the boroughs and saying why'd you do that?

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Speaker 1: And he got the answer that was very I think

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Speaker 1: influential in his You know in his race, always.

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Speaker 2: Thinking as you were describing your approach to building might

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Speaker 2: as touched now the network. That was his approach to

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Speaker 2: building the campaign. Ask people what they want, hecks and

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Speaker 2: now they're feeling see them listen to them exactly. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I thought that that was a masterclass of common sense

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Speaker 2: really at the end of the day. But it's now

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Speaker 2: it's you know, it's a next generation media savvy as well.

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Speaker 2: And I hope again back to your point, just the

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Speaker 2: capacity for us. We've just got to disabuse ourselves with

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Speaker 2: the ways of the past. We've got to completely shift

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Speaker 2: gears in terms of now dominating their flooding the zone,

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Speaker 2: but also becoming the party that is empathetic. It's not

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Speaker 2: about power, dominance and aggression. It's about empathy. It's about compassion,

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Speaker 2: it's about collaboration. Those are the superpowers.

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Speaker 1: We talk a lot about empathy, yes, because if you

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Speaker 1: listen to also what Maga say, they go empathy is

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Speaker 1: for weak people, and I got quite the opposite, you know,

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Speaker 1: when I grew up, know how Magal likes to call

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Speaker 1: themselves out alpha alf alfha, you know, which is firstly,

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Speaker 1: if you call yourself alpha, that's weird.

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Speaker 2: To begin with.

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Speaker 1: But when I grew up, the quote unquote alphas, the

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Speaker 1: kids in high school would be the people who would

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Speaker 1: stand up against the bullies and tell the bullies, no,

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Speaker 1: that's not how you behave and you would put your

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Speaker 1: arm around the marginalized community and the people who were

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Speaker 1: being bullied and you would say, I got you. That's

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Speaker 1: how I was raised. But right now this idea of

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Speaker 1: the bully has been glorified, and we have to disabuse

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Speaker 1: people of that knowledge and say, nah, that's weakness, that's

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Speaker 1: weakness to your point, masquerading our strength, But that's not

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Speaker 1: how we should treat human beings. And stop blaming the

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Speaker 1: problems the complexities on transgender people. And we can't abandon communities.

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Speaker 1: I think that's an important point where I think after

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Speaker 1: the election, when people were trying to figure out the

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Speaker 1: post mortem of what happened, I think that there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of communities that felt, am I going to

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Speaker 1: be abandoned? I think the black community, are you saying

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Speaker 1: that this is and you're not going to support me?

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Speaker 1: And in the transgender community, I just think that we

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Speaker 1: have to proudly support communities that have been under attackers.

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Speaker 1: They're human beings, damn it. And we got to say

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Speaker 1: we're here with you, We're here with you every step

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Speaker 1: of the way, and we're fighting for you.

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Speaker 2: I love that age, you know. I'm all remember I

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Speaker 2: was part of something called America's Promise. I was tapped

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Speaker 2: by Mayor Willie Brown in San Francisco as a brand

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Speaker 2: new supervisor and it was a volunteer initiative. But it

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Speaker 2: really inspired me. We have the largest volunteer corp in

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Speaker 2: America right now, bigger than the Peace Corps guy Josh Friday,

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Speaker 2: who's running for me. Our service efforts, our next level.

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Speaker 2: It's about service. Patriots isn't about common experience. But there

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Speaker 2: was a principle I remember it was. It was a

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Speaker 2: former general that said, no one stands taller than when

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Speaker 2: he or she bends down on one knee to lift

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Speaker 2: someone else up. And and and I'll never forget that

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Speaker 2: this notion I mean of bending down on one you

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Speaker 2: to lift other people popo up. And now you watch

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Speaker 2: these guys belittling vulnerable communities, mocking peoples with disabilities, people

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Speaker 2: that are just trying to survive.

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Speaker 1: As you try to suggest what I love seeing you,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what has become a parent. To me, as

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Speaker 1: I've watched you, is that beyond being a politician or

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Speaker 1: being a governor, you seem to really you know, I

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Speaker 1: guess I'm changing, I'm questioning. You know, you seem to

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Speaker 1: really enjoy being around people. You seem to love the

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Speaker 1: energy in the room, and you're at your happiest when

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Speaker 1: you're there versus necessarily doing like and that to me

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Speaker 1: shows like and I think that's what's connecting in my view,

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Speaker 1: But I think that's if.

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Speaker 2: Someone walks up to you on the street and starts

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Speaker 2: to say something, they're starting to tear up, and you're

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Speaker 2: give them a hugger like this is like the magical moments. Man,

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Speaker 2: this is life. What a gift to just people, communities

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Speaker 2: to be seen. I mean, I'll tell you just I mean,

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Speaker 2: some of the most extraordinary experiences I've had, period, full stop,

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Speaker 2: have been around some of these ice raids and with

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Speaker 2: the federalization of the nast Guard and walking in some

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Speaker 2: of our diverse communities and just walking the street and

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Speaker 2: having people come up just so scared, don't know what

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Speaker 2: to do, and just be able to hug people and

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Speaker 2: absorb that and just take that in and recognize how

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Speaker 2: scared people are, man, and what a gift it is

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Speaker 2: to be able to have this bully pulpit the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to try to do something about it. It's also it's humbling.

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Speaker 2: There's a tremendous amount of grace in that. But no,

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Speaker 2: this is at the end of the day. I love

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Speaker 2: that we started. You just talked about that it's about

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Speaker 2: damn people and you know, look, I fail in that

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Speaker 2: regard as well. We started, I'm talking about I remember

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Speaker 2: defending the Biden record. We're the end of the world,

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Speaker 2: the best GDP growth, you know, then we're record breaking

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Speaker 2: you know this, and record breaking that I'm doing fifteen

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Speaker 2: point four million jobs eight times one of the last

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Speaker 2: three Republican presidents combined. And people were like, no, wonder

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Speaker 2: we struggle with that message. Man, It wasn't we didn't

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Speaker 2: connect it down to real people. It was every as

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Speaker 2: if we're all living in the aggregate or something.

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Speaker 1: The hard part when I was a litigator, though, is

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Speaker 1: sometimes you'd draw a judge that's appointed by the other side,

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Speaker 1: and no matter how much work you put into a case,

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Speaker 1: you could be with that client and you kind of

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Speaker 1: know this is this outcome is going to be a

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Speaker 1: rough one. So the blessing that I have in this

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Speaker 1: current platform is, you know, when I was at the

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Speaker 1: no King's peaceful protests out here in Los Angeles, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the idea. It's still a strange concept for me because

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Speaker 1: I don't lean my house all that much because I

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Speaker 1: told you about the schedule that I have. When I

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Speaker 1: went out there and all these people are coming up

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Speaker 1: to me and saying You've changed my life and thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, I was like, that's.

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Speaker 2: Why I do what I do. And it's such an

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Speaker 2: increditary right.

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Speaker 1: It just makes me want to wake up earlier every day.

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Speaker 1: And there's not enough hours in the day to be

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Speaker 1: helpful and be in this moment, And that to me

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Speaker 1: is so key. Is are you meeting this moment right now?

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00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: And how are you meeting this moment right now? And

861
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: every day before I go to sleep, I go did

862
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: I meet the moment today with my coverage? Did I

863
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: do something to expand the network or to improve Did

864
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: I win this messaging war, this information battle that's out there?

865
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: And you know, I hope to try to answer that yes.

866
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: Every day before I go to how do.

867
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: You balance in that space all of the noise constantly

868
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: chasing right, I mean every day, this guy's shape shifting.

869
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: Another true social another crazy meme, another absurds, you know,

870
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's just flood talk about floods his own.

871
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: He can't he can't even spend twenty minutes relaxing on

872
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: Air Force one on a flight. He has to run

873
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: back there and hang out with a RI.

874
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: They got the greatest, the greatest MRI in the history

875
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: of MRI.

876
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know there was, by the way, anyone has

877
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 2: met a perfect MRI was perfect, by the way, I'm

878
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: just not aware of anyone going into it get an

879
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: MRI that wasn't going in for a reason.

880
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: When I specially my MRI freaked me out. When I

881
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: did them or they put me in that machine, I.

882
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: Was just close your eyes and do not open your eyes.

883
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: That's the key, right exactly. But it was, you know,

884
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: reminded me of what you said before Trump did the

885
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: initial invasion and all wanted to talk to.

886
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: You, like that call he had with you was you

887
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: know this right before he federalized the National Guard and

888
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: puts seven thousand active duty marines on the streets of

889
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: the second largest sect.

890
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: Gavin, you like my hat's goat.

891
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: I mean, how many hats do mysel? What do you

892
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: think of anything about the debate with Gamala Coad? She

893
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: did pretty well because it was you know, I said

894
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: it was just two you know, he goes he said

895
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 2: something it was two against one. I said, yeah, it

896
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: was two against one. I was you know, what do

897
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: you mean two against one? Because no, it was five

898
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: against one. The cameramen were against me as well. I mean,

899
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 2: he's look, this notion of not being the doesn't matter

900
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 2: if he's the heel or the hero, as long as

901
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: the damn star. And so how do you And this

902
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 2: goes back to the question I want to ask you,

903
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: how do you sort of curate the moment, talk about

904
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: living in the moment and being accountable at this moment.

905
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 2: How do you not fall prey to reacting to what

906
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: he wants you to react? Because it seems like me

907
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: were perfect little sheep. When he sits out there and

908
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 2: puts the twenty twenty eight hat on there on speaker

909
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: Jeff Reeser soon to be speaker Jeff reasons Chuck Schumer

910
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: there to troll them. He knows exactly what we're gonna do.

911
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: We're gonna run with that there's an old phrasees he

912
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: pisses on the grasshoppers just to hear them sing, so

913
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: he knows exactly what he's doing in there. But how

914
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: do we avoid the temptation to always respond to that

915
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: versus to focus on the essential?

916
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: I think you have to lead with your principles and

917
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: your values, and I'm not trying to be corny about that. Like,

918
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: the reality is is that we know who we are

919
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: as a network when we talk about values like empathy,

920
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: when we talk about pro democracy, when we talk about,

921
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, fighting for people who are going to be

922
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 1: losing their health care, when we listen, we can frame

923
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: things always through that values and principles set, and so

924
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: it filters through that. So it's fairly easy for me

925
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: not to be like, how should I cover this? And

926
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm not looking to see how is this network doing

927
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: it or that network doing it? I go how do

928
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: I feel about this? Why did we create this network?

929
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: And how we're so in tuned with our audience that

930
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: it almost is second nature about how we respond and

931
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: what areas do we avoid and kind of how to

932
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: go into these issues.

933
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Speaker 2: Now.

934
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Speaker 1: I think that there's a process where we evolve over

935
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: time and we get more sophisticated. I think that mistakes

936
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: that I've made. I should have focused more on how

937
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: international events were impacting the United States and not looking

938
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four the election as just a horse

939
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: race and understanding that there are other factors that are ticula.

940
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: But I usually look at it through what's my values

941
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: and principles set, and I have a broader view than

942
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: just Trump and Maga. My view is is that this

943
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,879
Speaker 1: right wing populism, anti immigrant is actually not unique to Trump.

944
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: America is the biggest country, so he's I mean, one

945
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: of the biggest things. So he's a vessel of in

946
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: a very big and exaggerated way. But this stuff coming

947
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: from Putin and coming from Orbon and manifested in Bucelli

948
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: and Javier malay La Penn in France, the Reform Party

949
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: in the UK, this is part of a broader situation

950
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: and so as I framed the network, it's not necessarily

951
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: unique to what's the pushback to Trump on a day, Yes,

952
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: there's some days you need to respond, But more broadly

953
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: is what's the response to this right wing title wave

954
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: that is trying to take down all of the post

955
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: enlightened thinking that democracy was built on, and that's really

956
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: where we are. This is a rise of authoritarians and

957
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: this right wing popular whatever you want to call it,

958
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: against all of the building that had taken place really

959
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: since you know, the Declaration of Independence, their constitution and

960
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: developing a more perfect union.

961
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: That's what it is.

962
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: And as all of this information has flooded the zone,

963
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: you would think that's a good way that people get educated.

964
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: But paradoxically, I think it's brought us back to the

965
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: Dark Ages and the feudal times, because lots of information

966
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: doesn't mean good information. And so with AI, with all

967
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: of this info that's out there, it is what I

968
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: think the kind of right wing authoritarians want to create

969
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: is this kind of lord versus peasant dynamic that existed

970
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: in the Dark Ages when people didn't have access to information,

971
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: and I think we were creeping into that. So it's

972
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: a long winded and philosophical answer to your question, but

973
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: we have to be framed. I'm framed in that, and

974
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't think lots of people who are building networks,

975
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: I think they go a lot of Donald tr I'm

976
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: doing no, no, no, no, no, that's a mistake. The

977
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: broader issues is making these holistic connections and gearing the

978
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: network towards a higher calling, and then I could respond

979
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: on a day to day basis What am I going to?

980
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: I love it. I mean there's so many things what

981
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 2: you just say that I want to unpack that particularly

982
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 2: resonated with me. This notion of you know your why,

983
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 2: you know why you exist, and so the what and

984
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: how is easy than that I think about it. And

985
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: forgive me bringing up Clinton again, but you know, I

986
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: remember his campaign. I remember it was so residant to me.

987
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 2: Maybe it was just my age at the time, but

988
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 2: this notion of community, responsibility, opportunity that he was able

989
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: through that lens to then advance policy and express the

990
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 2: why and the what and the how of his campaign

991
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: and ultimately his presidency. But what you said specifically about

992
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 2: Trump being an historic figure, I think he's historically he's

993
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: an historic figure because he's most historically unpopular figure, but

994
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: he's also historically redundant. You joked about the call I

995
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: had with Trump where he starts bringing up Magi. He goes, hey, Gavin, you,

996
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: what do you think of Maggot's pretty good brand? I said,

997
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 2: it's not even original, I said, Donald Ronald Reagan had

998
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 2: made America great. Heck, there was someone running for governor

999
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: of California against Jerry Brown. Her entire campaign but one

1000
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy three million dollars up to be governor

1001
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: of California, and it was make California great again. You're redundant,

1002
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: and I'll remind everybody, or remind him if you're not illuminated,

1003
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 2: or at least to illuminate. But it may be interesting.

1004
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: There was a guy named Dennis Kearney in the eighteen

1005
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: eighties in California. He was in the East Bay Sarsguy's Bay.

1006
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: He ran the Working Men's Party, and he literally began

1007
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: and ended every speech. I'm trying to connect President she

1008
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: right now to whatever else we'd do. He ended every speech,

1009
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 2: whatever else we do. The Chinese must go, and they

1010
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: were building virtue walls. I mean, you can go back

1011
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 2: to the Chinese museums and all across the state of California,

1012
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: you'll see all of these old illustrations around the Chinese

1013
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: must go. Chinese where the scape go. They're the reason

1014
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 2: you don't have X, Y and Z. We have to

1015
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: build the virtual wall and keep him away. Led to

1016
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 2: the Chinese Exclusion Act in the late eighteen eighties. And

1017
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: everything that Dennis Curtie represents is what Donald Trump represents today.

1018
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 2: He's an historic figure that literally is a redundant figure

1019
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: in terms of this larger historical experiment. And it's important

1020
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: for us to remind ourselves of that for two reasons.

1021
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: One is that we maintain our resiliency we're able to

1022
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 2: work through and around these kinds of figures, but also

1023
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: to remind ourselves that we have to be vigilant as well.

1024
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 2: In the authoritarian frame that you just advanced.

1025
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: He's deeply unpopular right now, and historically unpopular, thirty seven

1026
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: percent in almost every category, every category.

1027
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 2: Weakness again, weakness, Why is he trying to rig the election? Weakness?

1028
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: Why is he calling the governor of Indiana? Why did

1029
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 2: he move in Missouri? Why is he moving in nor Ady?

1030
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: Moving to North Carolina? Let alone? Grega weakness he's trying.

1031
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 2: He recognizes the clock. They're going His minions are going

1032
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: after everything because they know the gig's up next November. Weakness,

1033
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: forgive me no.

1034
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: And he thought that by now he would control every

1035
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: layer of this. He thought he was what he calls

1036
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: an arc. He thought he would build his triumphal arch.

1037
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: This is what he will.

1038
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: That's the next focus after the Golden Ballroom, the triumphal arch.

1039
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: I forgot it. Forgive me. I even forgot about that

1040
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: little figurine that he has a little figurine that he's

1041
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 2: showing everybody. So he thought that he thought that erect

1042
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: the architry off. Oh my god, that's coming, guys. Pay

1043
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: attention to that. Sorry, ma.

1044
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: He thought he thought that everybody was going to submit

1045
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: by now. So the fact that we're here right now

1046
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: in October heading to the November fourth Prop fifty vote,

1047
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: you've exercised your moral and formal authority. You've inspired other

1048
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: states to step up, and we will see what they're

1049
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: going to do. See what they're going to do in Virginia. Virginia, Yeah,

1050
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: we'll see what they're gonna do. Maryland hopefully we see.

1051
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: Leader Jeffries is in Illinois this week, so we'll see.

1052
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: But that's why you call it Prop fifty also because

1053
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: it's not just about.

1054
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: Fifty states, just about the United States of America. It's

1055
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: about again, I keep saying it these you know, my God,

1056
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: how blessed are we? I mean, this notion of co

1057
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: equal branch as a government, popular sovereignty, rule of law.

1058
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's an extraordinary it really is. I mean,

1059
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: I know you can get you know, you can sort

1060
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: of fall to a romantic notion of it's hardly imperfect.

1061
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 2: But this notion, the architecture of this two hundred and

1062
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: forty nine years, you can't take it for granted. You know,

1063
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 2: how about this?

1064
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: When I talk about the shutdown, I talk about fifth

1065
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: grade and Schoolhouse Rock, my fifth grade government class. That

1066
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: our system works, where the parties are supposed to talk

1067
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: with each other, the idea that Maga Mike Johnson ordered

1068
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: by Donald Trump to say, we're not going to talk

1069
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: with Democrats yet alone negotiate with Democrats. That's how I

1070
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: frame this issue in a very basic way. I go,

1071
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: one side's not even talking when twenty million Americans healthcare

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Speaker 1: is about to be ripped away. The other side, the

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Speaker 1: Democrats are there to talk and negotiate and try to

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Speaker 1: figure out a solution. So let's just keep these issues

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Speaker 1: pretty freaking simple. Why don't they want to talk? Why

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Speaker 1: do they want to do everything in silent? Why does

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Speaker 1: leader Jeffries say let's do a negotiation in public? Why

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Speaker 1: did Donald Trump not want the cameras in the White

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Speaker 1: House with the meeting with leader Jefferies and Schumer. And

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Speaker 1: you know what they said afterwards, that would just be theater.

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Speaker 1: Donald Tunald mag and Mike said, that would just be theater.

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Speaker 2: Thought it interesting, Donald Trump saying it would be theater. Yeah,

1083
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Speaker 2: in the theater of the absurd is the fact. And

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Speaker 2: I'll just remind everybody that he canceled. Donald Trump canceled

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Speaker 2: the meeting just a week before the government shut down

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Speaker 2: with the two leaders because of public pressure. He decided

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Speaker 2: to agree to that meeting that he did in private

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Speaker 2: with the twenty twenty eight trolling hats that they sent

1089
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Speaker 2: out as a tweet, and that weekend, right before the shutdown,

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Speaker 2: he went golfing. It's zero interest in a deal, period,

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Speaker 2: full stop. Where is the president of United States? Now?

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Speaker 2: He's overseas. It's important to be overseas, but hold on,

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Speaker 2: don't you think it's more important to address the domestic

1094
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: crisis of his own making? Right now? The airport shut

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Speaker 2: down here in Los Angeles just this week. The fact

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Speaker 2: that we have millions and millions of people during Thanksgiving

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00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: that are not only pain more than they have ever

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00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: paid for, beef, paying more ten point eight percent as

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Speaker 2: of today, more for Halloween candy. They already had the

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Speaker 2: indignity of paying more for their backpack and school supplies.

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Speaker 2: God forbid, he's not successful with President She, he may

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Speaker 2: ruin Christmas for us. He's nowhere to be found. Speaker Johnson,

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Speaker 2: as you said, doesn't want to negotiate. And Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: quite literally doesn't give a damn that people's insurance health

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Speaker 2: insurance is going to be lost or tripled because he,

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Speaker 2: in his big beautiful bill just did the biggest cuts

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Speaker 2: to medicate in American history. Forgive me for the long windedness.

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Speaker 2: God bless the Democrats for standing up on all these

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Speaker 2: things and being willing to fight for these things.

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Speaker 1: Think about with President She, what's the biggest issue China

1111
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: US is China's stronghold on rare earths, and they're a

1112
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: bit to implement price controls shut down the market of

1113
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: rare earths. That's not whatever this framework is is not

1114
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Speaker 1: going to even address that. It's going to be window

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Speaker 1: dressing so that Trump can say, look, I got soybean

1116
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Speaker 1: farmer's this at the expensive time. One look at the

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00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: Middle East. They announced that what took place between Hamas

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Speaker 1: and Israel was a peace deal. It was a ceasefire,

1119
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: and a ceasefire is a good thing. We want a ceasefire,

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Speaker 1: we want the hostages return. But they didn't address the

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Speaker 1: central issue of whether there should be a two state solution.

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Speaker 1: So how do you do a peace deal and not

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Speaker 1: address that there should be a free Palestine in that?

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Speaker 1: And how is it that Hamas wasn't a signatory. Israel's

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Speaker 1: not a signatory to going back to what we said

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Speaker 1: earlier to this ceasefire. And while we've seen you know,

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Speaker 1: dozens and dozens or more deaths of Palestinians, while Hamas

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Speaker 1: has retaken control of Gaza, while Net and Yahoo doesn't

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Speaker 1: support a two state solution. Yet everybody's like, oh, there

1130
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Speaker 1: must be a piece do I'm like, you didn't fundamentally.

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Speaker 2: Historic piece steel, unprecedented peace steel. He's moved on. Look.

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Speaker 1: Former President Biden brought back eighty three percent of the hostages, great,

1133
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump brought back the remainder. Both great, yes, But

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Speaker 1: the issue ultimately is when we talk about these stories

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Speaker 1: from a media network's perspective. When I was watching that

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Speaker 1: and seeing how is corporate news covering it? Peace deal

1137
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: time magazine cover one week, Time magazine covered the next week,

1138
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what are we talking about? Like, am

1139
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: I in some crazy world? I go, did they even

1140
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: address two state solution? And they didn't. So I'm like,

1141
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Speaker 1: then what are we We know where this is headed though,

1142
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Speaker 1: if we don't address that fundamental issue exactly right, So

1143
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: you could look at all of his conduct, we always

1144
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: see this fraudy element of it. And to your point

1145
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: bringing it back to domestic the American people are suffering

1146
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: while he's doing all these things. The American people are true,

1147
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: and not as some talking points. No, they're really suffering.

1148
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Speaker 1: People are terrified right now that they're about to lose

1149
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: their healthcare. Who can pay another twenty thousand dollars a year?

1150
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Speaker 2: Twenty seven is the average household cost you dollars?

1151
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: People can't afford one thousand dollars more year you had

1152
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Speaker 1: twenty seven thousands?

1153
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: Crazy, No, So so back to just what you're doing.

1154
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Speaker 2: I mean, people feel like they're going crazy, and it's

1155
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 2: nice to find is, you know, to sort of what

1156
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: you do is a place where they feel, you know,

1157
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: a sense of well being and you could sort of

1158
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: distill their fear and anxiety and express a relationship to it,

1159
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Speaker 2: but also an understanding of the broader context, and it

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Speaker 2: begs this question. I mean, there's a you know, old

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Speaker 2: Tom Freeman who used to say the question that he

1162
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Speaker 2: thinks everyone should wake up and ask themselves. An answer

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Speaker 2: of your elected official, every leader, broadly defined, is what

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Speaker 2: world are we living in? And what are the trend

1165
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Speaker 2: lines that define this world? So i'd ask you more broadly,

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Speaker 2: what world do you think we're living in? In the

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Speaker 2: broader context?

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't want to be living in the world

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Speaker 1: of don ok. I want to be living in a

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Speaker 1: world where we aspire to be good.

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Speaker 2: Like let me just keep it that the thing, the

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Speaker 2: one thing the founding fathers never considered, this notion of

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Speaker 2: good character just goodness. You know, it's a piece of

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Speaker 2: paper of the Constitution. It's notion of co equal branches governments.

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Speaker 2: I mean we've seen with the Supine Congress, Supine Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: I mean we've got a Supreme Court that literally Kavanaugh

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Speaker 2: Court in this case, because he did that brief where

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Speaker 2: he says it's okay to racially profile based not just

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Speaker 2: on the color you spind, but where you congregate and

1180
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Speaker 2: the language you speak, and obviously the supine nature of

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Speaker 2: this speaker, Mike Johnson. But this ocean of character is foundational,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. It's imbued in all of it, but it

1183
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Speaker 2: was never expressed.

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, the Constitution is a contract, and going back to

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Speaker 1: my being a professor, in every contract, there's the implied

1186
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: covenant of good faith and fair dealing in the Constitution

1187
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Speaker 1: as well. Good faith. Donald Trump's history of bankruptcy, his

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00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: history of fraud, his history of being a felon, his

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Speaker 1: history in general is one of bad faith. Ripping contracts apart,

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Speaker 1: they don't matter. The ultimate contract he's ripped apart is

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Speaker 1: the Constitution. So to me, the Constitution can't address every

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00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: aspect of the good faith and fair dealing. I think

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Speaker 1: that the founders, and this was perhaps a flaw in

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Speaker 1: the document, you know, potentially, was that people would behave

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Speaker 1: in a way of good faith and fair dealing within

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Speaker 1: the broader principles and we would.

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Speaker 2: As disagree with them, but you know, and they make

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Speaker 2: color around the lines a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so that needs to be brought back, and

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Speaker 1: that's not talked about a lot. Moral character and being

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Speaker 1: a good person and behaving, you know, as an adult

1202
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Speaker 1: in a grown up and I worry. You know, I'm

1203
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Speaker 1: raising a one year old girl right now, and I'm

1204
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Speaker 1: glad that she doesn't fully see right now, but I

1205
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: worry especially, you know, when I teach these students who

1206
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 1: have now lived with Trump for they're going to be

1207
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,919
Speaker 1: going on however long it's going to be, and that's

1208
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Speaker 1: been their life, that their worldview is shaped by bullying

1209
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: and low moral character or no moral character. And that's

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01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: a problem. But that's why I think it's incumbent upon

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Speaker 1: us in general, as a network, as a governor, as

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Speaker 1: a professor, wherever we are in our day to reflect

1213
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Speaker 1: good moral character to the best of our ability. And

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Speaker 1: we're all going to make mistakes. For all human we

1215
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be judging.

1216
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Speaker 2: And we're not talking about holier than thou. It's just

1217
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Speaker 2: some basic principles. Do our best. Yeah, let's try.

1218
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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I love that. So look, the Democrats seem to be

1220
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Speaker 2: doing their best. They said to be united as it

1221
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Speaker 2: relates to this singular message around healthcare. But to be fair,

1222
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Speaker 2: it's even more than healthcare, though I think they've done

1223
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Speaker 2: a brilliant job highlighting that issue. It's what you just said,

1224
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: this notion not the rule of law, but the role

1225
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Speaker 2: of down that the Constitution on a matter. Nor does

1226
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Speaker 2: the Congress. Whatever the Congress says President with Russ Voyd

1227
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Speaker 2: what he claims or as he refers to as Darth Vader,

1228
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Speaker 2: his words not mine, they'll just do whatever the hell

1229
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Speaker 2: they want. Congressionally appropriated funds. They're going to redirect them

1230
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Speaker 2: away from blue states, blue districts to red states and

1231
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Speaker 2: red priorities. How the hell under those circumstances does this

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Speaker 2: shutdown ever end?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's why I think you have to

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Speaker 1: continue to have. First off, don't I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: going to end this year. And frankly, you know, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't fully know if it's going the way it'll end.

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Speaker 1: I think is they'll kill the filibuster in the Senate.

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Speaker 2: See I agree with you, and you say that, you

1239
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: know that I think that needs that's gotta be more socialized.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, that's what's going to happen.

1241
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: People are going to get their letters November first that

1243
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: their monthly premiums are going up to three thousand dollars

1244
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Speaker 1: or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four.

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Speaker 1: People are gonna rightfully panic. And Trump's still not going

1247
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Speaker 1: to want to do it. He's not going to want

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Speaker 1: to talk. He'll order Thun to kill the filibuster and that,

1249
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Speaker 1: and to me, that's what they're gonna do. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but the way we frame that there is almost the

1251
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Speaker 1: way Zelensky had to frame putin coming in and let

1252
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: people know in advance what the plan is, so that

1253
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Speaker 1: it was socialized before in anticipation. And when you think

1254
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: about these historical figures, Trump kind of thinks that, that

1255
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Speaker 1: kind of thinks that, So you have to prepare people

1256
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Speaker 1: for what the moves are, which is what we try

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Speaker 1: to do on the network. And that's where I think

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Speaker 1: this ends up heading because Trump's never gonna speak with

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Speaker 1: He's never gonna allow Magamike to even speak with Democrats.

1260
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Speaker 1: It's not about the pressure. Trump likes the suffering, Like

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Speaker 1: he doesn't care that people are in pain.

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Speaker 2: Cruelty and chaos. Is the police exactly the one thing

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Speaker 2: all these things haven't come quite objectively, Yeah, Like I

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Speaker 2: don't think that would offend him. The cold bloodedness of

1265
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Speaker 2: Stephen Miller as the implementer and all this, I mean period,

1266
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Speaker 2: full stop cruelty, chaos.

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Speaker 1: But that's where Democrats can't be complacent, And where they got,

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Speaker 1: rightfully a lot of green was when it seemed that

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Speaker 1: they very early on, we're just gonna let Trump steamroll

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Speaker 1: over them, and they were not speaking powerfully at that time,

1271
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: and it was not being communicated in a way. But

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01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: in this shutdown fight, it does seem that they've communicated it,

1273
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: that they're being more public and I feel a better

1274
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: sense of Okay, I see, And I think it was

1275
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: the right move to focus on healthcare, not because of

1276
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: the strategic but because health care living like living is

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Speaker 1: one of the main.

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Speaker 2: Proportionally is benefiting. I mean, it's universal. It's not just

1279
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: universal health care, it's universal. I mean it's foundational in

1280
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Speaker 2: our lives, and it connects every single person together disproportionately

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Speaker 2: in these red counties, which is the great irony of this.

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Speaker 2: Who's representing whom? Democrats have your back to, my Republican friends,

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Speaker 2: we have your back, and we're happy to come back

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Speaker 2: to the negotiating table to fight for you. The President

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Speaker 2: of United States has no interest.

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Speaker 1: And just then I say, well, then what's your plan?

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Speaker 1: Donald showed me the plan, Because that is an idea

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Speaker 1: of a healthcare plan. Remember that sixteen hundred percent discounts

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Speaker 1: is what he says. He's going to reduce discounts. That

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Speaker 1: means they're going to pay you six sixteen can you

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Speaker 1: sixteen hundred? Or MED beds. He's posting that their secret

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Speaker 1: UFO and outer space technology. We're going back to the MRI.

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Speaker 1: You going they don't like tears.

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Speaker 2: Got to whisper that because that's I was, that's between us.

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Speaker 2: You know about the medbank, of course, I mean you

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Speaker 2: know that is well, that's what we'll edit this.

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Speaker 1: Later when you're a governor. They read you in on

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Speaker 1: MED betch.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, you know you got to tell me about the

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Speaker 2: MED buto. No, I mean that's a that's a whole Look,

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Speaker 2: how uncomfortable I am. This is very difficult. Let me

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Speaker 2: let me step back and I and I'm mindful. You

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Speaker 2: got to get back to doing your damn work.

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Speaker 1: I'm with the governor.

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate this conversation on so many levels, but

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Speaker 2: I want to sort of step back and connect because

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about I mean, it's interesting your

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Speaker 2: perspect on the end of the filibuster, which I completely

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Speaker 2: subscribe to, and I think more and more people are

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Speaker 2: going to start to understand that's likely going to be

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Speaker 2: the outcome. We can talk a little bit more about

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Speaker 2: where we are in November fourth, because I think we're

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Speaker 2: going to be a much better place, and I think

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Speaker 2: you've expressed why in relationship to what you just said,

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01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: where we were as a party, how we acquiesced as

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01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: it relates the last potential government shut down, and now Highy,

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Speaker 2: we're finally unified, and we're in a position of strength

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Speaker 2: because we have both, as you suggest, the moral authority

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Speaker 2: and formal authority. Where we're actually exercising are minority rights.

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Speaker 2: That said, what do you make of the DOJ being

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Speaker 2: sent out to Virginia, DOJ sending out election observers here

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Speaker 2: to California five particular counties. What do you make of

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Speaker 2: the federalization of the National Guard through election day? This

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Speaker 2: forgive me in the pejorative because a lot of good

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Speaker 2: people that work for this agency, but I don't like

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Speaker 2: how they're being abused, and I don't like the way

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Speaker 2: our communities are being assaulted and abuse. So I don't

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Speaker 2: say secret police lightly, but Ice and Border Patrol masked

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Speaker 2: that are out in and around Democracy Center where we

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Speaker 2: did our kickoff for Prop fifty that I believe will

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01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: be in and around, pulling booths and voting places around

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Speaker 2: election day, not just this year, but next year. What

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Speaker 2: do you make of all of these things that are happening.

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Speaker 2: Are they coincidental? Is it part of a larger strategy.

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Speaker 1: The strategy is Donald Trump doesn't want elections. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: like elections. He wants to be anointed king. He thinks

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Speaker 1: like an authoritarian. So it's a test run for what

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Speaker 1: he wants to do at the midterms. But more than

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Speaker 1: a test run, it's very serious. He wants to send

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Speaker 1: people at the DOJ what he calls election watchers, to

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Speaker 1: intimidate people and without an appropriate check, without pushback. I

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Speaker 1: think he wants them there to literally scare people. I

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01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: think he wants the ice agents to do what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: When I call what it is, the chemical warfare and

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01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: the gas canisters that they're throwing, the intimidation tame.

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Speaker 2: I mean Greno himself that threw it, threw a damn container. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: after being told you can't do it? The hell is that?

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Speaker 2: Who the hell's he think he is? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean and you saw him what he was doing

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Speaker 1: outside of your event.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a tough guy.

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01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: What you know what?

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01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 2: Just a bloviating guy. I mean, seriously, jeesus, I mean, ah,

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01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 2: the hell we I mean, well, we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: about winning in a minute, keep going.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, and then you have what the borders are?

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Speaker 1: What's his name?

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Speaker 2: Oh god, bag Man Homan? Homan, bag Man Homan. We'll

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01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 2: forgive me. I don't mean to be but I mean,

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Speaker 2: where's the fifty thousand? But like, literally, can't they tell

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Speaker 2: us where the fifty thousand dollars? That's I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: just serious's the fifty thousand questions? It's like, where's the

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Speaker 2: damn Epstein files? Who's in? And I'm starting to get

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01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 2: into that, like what the hell is that all about? Too?

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01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 2: You can't even swear this person? What the hell is

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01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: going on? Now? Even if you weren't following this now

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01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 2: you've been like, okay, hold on, why is Glenn Maxwan

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Speaker 2: a minimum security? What the hell is going on?

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Speaker 1: I've spoken with a lot the victims or the survivors

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Speaker 1: of Epstein on the podcast, and they said, the strange

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01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: thing about it is what the survivors will say, we

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01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: weren't even really that focused on Trump, Like that wasn't

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01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 1: why we were He goes, He goes, but he's just

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01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: made it.

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Speaker 2: This is what they'll say.

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01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 1: He made it about himself. He centered himself as that

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Speaker 1: this is a fan started.

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01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 2: I never thought it was. Now I'm actually wondering what

1379
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 2: isn't there and now all this tiff I was like that,

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Speaker 2: I mean I thought about just the tragic. I mean

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01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 2: that just and never forget these poor victims and these

1382
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 2: poor souls people that take their life. God bless. But no,

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01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 2: there's there's a there there, undoubtedly, and we.

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Speaker 1: Know from all of the reporting out there that his

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01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: name is all over those files apparently, and that he

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01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: was told that anyway, Well, that'll be our next interview.

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Speaker 2: After the man. There's no issues there. I know everyone

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01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: that we're talking about. Look it up. Look it up.

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Speaker 1: So this is obviously part of a broader strategy to intimidate,

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01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 1: to make people not show up to the polls. Obviously,

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01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: they tried to flood the zone right away saying that

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01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: Prop fifty was unpopular. They pushed it, but you pushed

1393
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: back right away, put hand and right away, and that

1394
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: was a fight. And people still obviously need to go

1395
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 1: out there and then turn in the ballot. You know,

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01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: home stretch work harder than ever but they're looking at

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01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: Virginia and they're seeing uh Spanberger and what a great

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01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: campaign she's run versus Winsome Earl series Mikey. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's Mikey also has been amazing in New Jersey. So

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01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: they're targeting those areas, you know, for a reason, and

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 1: it's part of a broader intimidation campaign.

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01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's so begs the question. I mean, we

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01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 2: have these campaigns, we have their campaigns. Are you of

1404
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 2: the opinion that November fourth it's going to be a

1405
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: big night for Democrats, that it could create some directional momentum,

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01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 2: some enthusiasm potentially for the party, a sense that sort

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01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 2: of we're on the precipice of turning the page, or

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: have turned the page, or turning the corner. In terms

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01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 2: of being on the march, I mean the seventh I

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01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 2: love that you said the No King's Peaceful Rally. Thank

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01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: you for the way you framed that seven million people

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01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 2: showed up for each other, not just for themselves, for

1413
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: their their kids, their communities, for our future, the world.

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01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,839
Speaker 2: I mean, in many respects accounts on the United States

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01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,799
Speaker 2: as a sustable partner.

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01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: I think we're going to be a peaceful protests in

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01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: the history in amazing the United States. And when remember

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01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 1: they did those tea party things back in Obama, there

1419
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 1: was like five hundred thousand people who showed up and

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01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,600
Speaker 1: that got all the coverage in the world. Yeah, you

1421
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: just see the difference there. But I think it's going

1422
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: to be a big day.

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01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 2: But but you're not there yet. No, no, no, it's

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01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 2: I don't like butts.

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01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: How about and and we need to work and we

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01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: need to work very hard. Though I don't want to

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01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: take any day for grant. There you go, and I

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01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 1: think that's how I see November fourth, that's how I

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01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: see the midterms is. And now we're reporting in our

1430
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 1: network in general, it's to always approach every day with

1431
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 1: kind of the utmost humility and recognize that, you know,

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01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,600
Speaker 1: anything can change in any given day. And again, we

1433
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: just have to win every day from now until then.

1434
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: And you know, I played soccer in high school and

1435
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,080
Speaker 1: so you know, just thinking about you know, how a

1436
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: match is ultimately played. It is even if you're up

1437
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, two nothing or three nothing at halftime, that

1438
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you go, I think we're absolutely you know,

1439
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: you just got to go to locker room and you

1440
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: got to finish. Even if you're up in the in

1441
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: the second half, you still gotta, you know, keep going.

1442
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: And so no matter what I feel good, but feelings

1443
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 1: and vibes, we have to manifest the outcomes versus just

1444
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: believing that there are people out there that'll do. And

1445
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: I think that's something that you've shown and other people.

1446
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: I hope the Midas Touched network shown that if three

1447
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 1: brothers of me, my two brothers, and I'll give a

1448
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: shout out to my whole team here, Salty and Jeremy

1449
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: and all the great people, the better give me a

1450
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: shout out in front of.

1451
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 2: Everybody. Anyone my kind of guy.

1452
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see Santa Barbera, guys, they see we It

1453
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: was not a foregone conclusion that three brothers with very

1454
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: little political experience, zero experience, would no media network experience,

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01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: would would be able to manifest this. And so the

1456
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 1: message I hope it sends to everybody, whether your skill

1457
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: is an educator, a chef, a songwriter, a builder, whatever

1458
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: your skill is, a flower maker, whatever, whatever the florist,

1459
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: flower maker, just do whatever your skill is and contribute

1460
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: and you can make it, you know, send letters, you know,

1461
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 1: show up, you know, knock on doors. The is and

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01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 1: you've You've said this a lot, that the future is

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01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: something that you manifest and not experience. And we can't

1464
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: just think that because the American experience has been a

1465
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,080
Speaker 1: certain way, it will be there for us. This whole

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01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: lesson is quite the contrary. And so we each play

1467
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: our own part every day. That's the mightest touch part

1468
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 1: that we've played in our own way, and we can

1469
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:13,760
Speaker 1: all do little things.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I mean, it's yeah, it's spare of

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01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 2: that the future is not something experienced in manifest it's

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01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 2: it's it's inside of us, not in front of us.

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01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 2: So here's to the future. You're crushing a brother. It's

1474
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: amazing what you built. But what you built is not

1475
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 2: just a platform, it's it's it's a capacity. It's it's

1476
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:39,480
Speaker 2: given the Democratic Party real hope and sense of momentum

1477
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 2: that we can finally get back on the messaging side

1478
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 2: of this war as well, and that we can communicate

1479
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 2: more effectively, we can reach more people and be streach

1480
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: strategic about it as well. And I just you know,

1481
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 2: most folks I know on this podcast know a little

1482
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 2: bit about you guys, but I don't think they appreciate

1483
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: how how you are crushing it and how you're completely

1484
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 2: reinventing the game for the pro democracy folks out there,

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01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 2: and so just mad respect to you. Keep it up

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 2: to salty. Thank you, brother Ben. It's been a hell

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Speaker 2: of a conversation. I really appreciate it. Thank you guys,